We are all dying for a bestseller..."After Oprah announced that her popular book club would only be reading books by 'the victims of suicide,' a number of writers killed themselves." Just a thought.
I agree on them being better than Movies/TV/Plays because of these reasons, but I have to disagree on including music in this. Music is equal to the novel imo, with also infinite ways to express ideas and evoke emotion.
@@williambartholmey5946I would absolutely disagree with that statement. It’s been shown that even instrumental music communicates universal human experiences across cultures.
It destroys music? Please. Think of Beethoven, Bach, Debussy etc. And think of jazz, Indian classical music, for instance. Music, at its best, speaks directly to the soul.
I love the novel. To me, it takes its highest form when the author banks on everything it can do that no other medium can. That's why I don't really like to read spectacle/entertainment literature. Dune is a great book, but it may have been a play just as good, if not better (albeit an immensely ambitious one). The last day of a condemned man, or la part de l'autre, or crime and punishment, books like that have to be novels. They couldn't be anything else.
I never really considered this, but as I think about, the art form that has transformed me is art expressed through the written word. When I was in my early 20s I read John Updike’s Rabbit, Run. It formed in me the idea that institutions are a trap that will ruin your life. Updike focused on the institution of marriage, but it spills over to institutions in general. Instead of cowering before your wife and the pressure from society behind the wife, plug into the spiritual realm and follow that instead. I’m still single in my 60s.
Wallace’s interviews were a cherry on top of his releases, especially his Bookworm interviews with Michael Silverblatt. 🥺Imagining Wallace living in the age of podcast.
Great video - patterning is where it's at! I heard Chuck Palahnuik say this in a documentary or interview once about introducing an image early then bringing it through the story more and more, but it didn't click quite the same as how you explained it
Palahniuk is big on repetition in general, not just with images. Most, if not all of his books have what he calls choruses. For example, in Choke there are dozens of: "____ isn't the right word but it's the first that comes to mind."
Movies could be. Music could be equal!. But some must see this also from this argrument, that Music and Literature can be used in an artful way in movies. Thats the approach from for example Takeshi Kitano. He even named three art forms that could came together in movies: music, literature and visual arts Almost the first minute from Kitanos "Fireworks" can debunk this argument here. To prove this more, some most watch Movies von Jean Luc Godard. Some are litarrly made like an essay.
Music is absolutely equal, great music has transformed me in the same way great novels have. For movies the audio-visual nature of it holds the potential of creating a sensory experience no other piece of art could create. 2001: A Space Odyssey, Apocalypse Now, Stalker, Jeanne Dielman, and many of the Lynch films are all movies that have achieved the transformative sensory experience movies are capable of. The problem is too many movies are not created through the unconscious, they come from boardrooms or a screenwriter intellectually trying to devise a perfect three act structure script with directors that disregard visual aesthetic and sound design.
@@unclebruncle Yes, you can recognize such constructed stuff straight away. There are always some characters in the center and the camera is only focused on them and their chatter. Always scene, dialogue, scene, dialogue. Christopher Nolan, for example, can be accused in some of his movies, of something like that. It is the kind of cultural industrial product that confirms viewing habits.
@@unclebruncle Or another example of cinematic art from the unconscious: The Mirror by Tarkovsky. Or How near, how far from Tadeusz Konwicki. Or an movie which i saw recently. Valley of the Gods.
As I've said before, I have only just almost 2 years now gotten into reading fiction. I feel so stupid to say that I didn't know anything about classics or how transformative reading fiction could be. I was a non fiction reader that assumed I was being more intellectual in refrauning from fiction. I often get so upset that I never had anyone to "show me the way" in a sense. But what I also feel sad to say is that I've not felt transformed by anything I've read. Granted my list is not long and yes I can say I've enjoyed some books greatly, Wuthering Heights is my favorite followed by Frankenstein, The Picture of Dorian Grey and than prob Jamaica Inn. I've really enjoyed Clarice Lispector and feel very moved when I read her...I feel like she's the writer I wish I was mixed with a little Emily and Daphne....but transformed? Changed? Only in the sense that it's changed my perception on reading fiction and reasons why I read it now almost exclusively. I do have dozens of books on my shelves I just can't read them fast enough...I am a slow reader.
It's funny how much I relate to your comment, despite some of it being the opposite of me. I'm in my mid-40s and have long felt I'm less intellectual because of my total lack of interest in non-fiction and poetry, but also not too interested in most of the older (pre-mid-20th century) classics of fiction. And I'm with you on transformation. Yes, my tastes and my writing have been altered by certain writers, but transformation seems like it means a drastic change in who one is as a person. Tbh, even your switching to exclusively reading fiction sounds like a bigger change than anything I’ve experienced from anything other than drugs in my youth or my spinal cord injury twenty years ago. Also, I’m very curious to compare how slow we read, as I’ve always thought there can’t possibly be anyone who has read as much or consistently since childhood who reads slower than me. Something dense like DFW, I only get up to about 12 pages per hour, and even a snappy, small soft-cover crime novel full of dialogue and white space I max out around 30 pages per hour. I’m completely baffled when I hear someone talk about reading an entire book in a day or two.
@williambartholmey5946 yes transformative def suggest big life impacts. But maybe we exaggerate the language for the sake of the experience? I am also a slow reader. I try not to see it as a bad thing but I can't see it any other way haha 😆 I can complete a chapter in about 40 min or less (of course depending on the book...longer chapters typically) I'm currently reading Beloved by Toni Morrison. I started Monday, it's now Saturday afternoon and I've read 165 pages. I read once or twice a day if I'm lucky.
Nah... I visual art to be on equal ground with novels. This includes paintings, illustrations, etchings, or even cartooning. But I'm a visual artist, so I'm a bit biased.
Haven’t read anything by DeLillo in many years but do recall enjoying White Noise, Libra and Great Jones Street. The last one is probably considered one of his lesser works but of the three it’s my favorite partly for its beautiful lyricism. Be well.⚛️❤
Excellent analysis! We need more critical and literary reflections of this kind. I recommend that you read the essay "The Writer and His Ghosts" by Ernesto Sábato. Among other things, Sábato supports the thesis that the novel is the supreme artistic medium, since it gives full access to the subjectivity of the character; this is something that Hollywood cinema does in a compressed and obscure way, since it is focused on physical action (for example, Tom Cruise thrillers, MCU movies and series). The brilliant and ultra-abbreviated image of the two-hour film has left several masterpieces that hypnotize us, but they will never be able to touch the depths of human existence as a super container of words does (the novel, the essay, the historical-philosophical dissertation). That's why I think Frank Herbert's Dune is a massive experience for the reader's mind because it invites the reader to draw conclusions about its world without having physical evidence of it, whereas Lynch's and Villeneuve's films that interpret that world in image format move in another direction. They appeal to the visceral excitement of the audience, watching sandworms and kings plotting against each other, but they can't show us the richness of their psychological worlds: cinema is trapped in the realm of pure action, the spectacle that "must escalate quickly" to keep the audience mesmerized.
also if anything professional scientific articles/essays/books are superior at „understanding the world better, including the world of artistic creation”. novels really can’t compete with them.
I prefer reading over watching. But film is a much better form than a novel. Tremendously so. If you gonna make an argument for literature, do it with a short story or poetry, but even that doesn't matter compared to music.
I agree with you for the most part that DeLillo's 21st century work is a cut below his previous, but there's an 8ish page flashback in the middle of Zero K where he uses a technique that I think he first did in Underworld that I haven't seen from any other writer. It's seemingly non-sequitur paragraphs in a pattern of three... the fourth paragraph is a continuation of the first, the fifth continues the second, the sixth continues the third, and so on until they all come together at the end. The one from Zero K might be my favorite passage of fiction I've ever read. One of the only times I've been moved to tears by a novel, and I couldn't name the others off the top of my head.
YES! FINALLY!!! Been waiting for a DeLillo video since I found your channel. The intro suggests there were previous ones, but I guess you just meant there will be more in the near future? No shade to the other authors, I just like DD's work a lot more.
@@maxwindom1200 Not on this channel. The list he mentions only has this video, and searching the channel overall doesn't turn up any others. Maybe they were really old and he deleted them?
@@williambartholmey5946 I've read the majority. There are key reasons I would want to re-read White Noise again for the first time, and my reflection had nothing to do with its quality within the Delillo oeuvre. I actually wouldn't bother playing games of comparison based on quality within the oeuvres of interesting authors anyhow. Not much to gain for a reader like myself.
I'm writing something like this. It's a coming-of-age story dealing with depression and maturity. For a long while the MC struggles to connect to other people. If you're interested, list your email.
Hi. I am an author. I agree with you. So lemme see if I understand. So I am working on a novel. So you are saying I should go on UA-cam and talk about it? To promote it? To get people thinking about it? Even before it is finished? I also have a Substack that I feel equivocal about. In fact, I have stopped publishing on it. But I hear you saying I should go back to that. Idk. Help me understand. I will listen to the rest of your posts.
I think you might be wrong about video games. video games are a long-form medium like books so they have just as much time to tell their stories as books do. too many non-gamers assume video games are just gameplay and have no idea that there are narrative-heavy games. and when it comes to stories changing you just look at how many people were changed by Metal Gear Solid 2. Video game narratives can change people just as books can. video games might be even better at changing people because of the medium's higher level of immersion.
I really struggle to put literature above music, even though I'm so much closer to it in life. What literature tries to convey, music can do (at least in its highest form) without any limitations of human thought. There's not a single person who'd reach human nature as deeply as Chopin, not Dostoyevsky, not Shakespeare, not even Biblical authors.
@@johnradovich8809 hey, I don't blame you. Noland made some good films and some I hate...and biopic is a terrible genre for the most part. Imo, Oppenheimer is truly a great film. I've wat he'd it 5 or 6 times times and like it more and find more meaning it each time...and in first watch I liked it, but wasn't huge fan. It grew on me a lot.
@@watcherofthewest8597 Thanks for responding. Biopics affect me like garlic to a vampire. I don't need Hollywood to tell me about Ray or Ali. (or Freddie for that matter) I'm old enough and fortunate enough to have grown up with all of them.
That's a great game but truth is that the ideas you encounter in games like Deus Ex and MGS2 are already explored widely in literature. Deus Ex paranoia is derivative of Gravity's Rainbow paranoia. The devs even referenced Pynchon if I could recall. These games only give you a taste of revelation. If you want the whole meal, you got to hit the books.
@@hopscotchoblivion7564 I don't fully agree. This game is quite a unique blend of various perspectives found in literature, history culture and philosophy that stands on its own, even if some of its concepts come from books. It does so many notable interesting things that I couldn't list them all, from somehow making a clinically perfect engineered super soldier into a relatable protagonist to integrated realistic conspiracy theories that low key predicted the direction of our world to seamlessly Integrating into its gameplay hundreds of incredibly insightful random character dialogues that sometimes rival dialogue in many books.. Few books impressed me as much as Deus Ex, honestly.
@@sebastjankrek1744 I don't know what books you are reading but the dialogue is not that great, even if it does have cool ideas. I'm going to be charitable here because I used to think like you. The developers were able to make this game as interesting as it is because they've read books. Most of its ideas come from stuff they read. If anything the game is advertisement for gamers to get into literature lol. Books like Moby Dick, Gravity's Rainbow and Ulysses are difficult to get through, but you will get more out of them than playing Deus Ex. If you want to look more into themes explored in the game you should read Marshall McLuhan or Neil Postman.
So…I’m confused. AI and virtual reality and the consolidation of control are going to eliminate the relevance of literary expression and artistic impact as a whole - oh, and there is going to be a literary renaissance as well. Seems more bleak than it is hopeful.
Music is not a "backtrack". Apples and oranges; you should've just refrained from referring to it. To even begin to compare in a reasonable way, talk about fully IMMERSING yourself in an ongoing musical experience, not just "accompanying" you while you do yoga or wash the dishes or whatever. Come on!
I know the thumbnail is clickbait but Lord of the Rings films absolutely smoke anything Delillo wrote lmao Also the best video games compete with the best novels. Name a novel that is genuinely an order of magnitude better than Metal gear solid. I think a lot of good writers migrated to film/anime/gaming which is part of the reason why there aren’t as many great novelists today. Berserk and AoT (among many others) also compete with the best novels
Dude no offense but this is a cope lol. Read Divine Comedy, Moby Dick, or Paradise Lost. Metal Gear Solid is cool, but like all forms of medium it just repeats ideas in literature.
@@genesisbustamante-durian Max Derrat: A self-congratulatory pseudo-intellectual wannabe connoisseur convinced he's got the mysteries of the universe figured out. Naturally, people will make fun of someone like that , so instead he preaches his "objective" take on reality through video essays where he overanalyzes anime and video games for hidden symbolisms.
Find ones that interest you so much that reading them comes easy, try to build up to reading 20 minutes a day once that is a habit you can build up more from there.
@@Books-ei6vl btw the classics are a good place to start the quality will be good so there's a higher chance it could be to your taste and leave an impression. (If something is well written enough it helps to suck you in) I personally started with brothers grimm and hans Christian Anderson's fairy tales, I also recommend the hobbit, there's also books on various mythologies Greek mythology explained by Marios Christou and David Ramenah is one of my personal favourites. (Mythology tends to be the source of Very interesting stories)
wtf was this even about lol. was this about things that are possible within art media or was it about the industries around them? yeah, corporations control almost all of the distribution of art. most are gonna worry about short term profits, not our intellectual well-being or whatever. yeah, i've read wallace and pynchon novels that do things that would never be possible in another medium, but every other medium does things that novels cannot do. comparing their overall value beyond personal preference is silly. i've never read an interaction between two people that was as affecting as something from a cassavetes film where i can look at human faces and hear human voices, for example. and video games i think largely remain in the shadow of other media, but i've played games like ico or disco elysium that achieve things that a novel cannot. all novels aren't the quality of delillo, all film isn't the quality of marvel movies, all video games aren't call of duty. music has completely different aims, it's ridiculous to compare the two.
I disagree, the novel is different and writing one is vary different than filmmaking which is more a collective storytelling. There are issues with movies, the studio is looking to make ma's aside cash so they want nice safe PG 13 movies for the most part and said movie as to be connected to some IP. This means filmmakers can't get away with a lot that novelists can get away with such as graphic sex or violence nor can none get away with a downer ending. This doesn't make the novel better just different. Also I still believe Stephen King is the greatest American living authors we have today. And I will hold that view until I am dead and rotting in my grave as the worms feast on my flesh.
I think all artistic meduims are just as deep as any other. The possibilities for expression within each is endless. That being said, music is the best. Words are too facistic. Novels speaks to the intellect whereas music speaks to the soul.
We are all dying for a bestseller..."After Oprah announced that her popular book club would only be reading books by 'the victims of suicide,' a number of writers killed themselves." Just a thought.
I agree on them being better than Movies/TV/Plays because of these reasons, but I have to disagree on including music in this. Music is equal to the novel imo, with also infinite ways to express ideas and evoke emotion.
I agree with this, except for the one aspect that novels can precisely articulate the human experience in a way that music can't.
@@williambartholmey5946I would absolutely disagree with that statement. It’s been shown that even instrumental music communicates universal human experiences across cultures.
It destroys music? Please. Think of Beethoven, Bach, Debussy etc. And think of jazz, Indian classical music, for instance.
Music, at its best, speaks directly to the soul.
It's différent
Let’s get some Dilello novels in the book club next cycle!
Got you! We will have a Faulkner, McCarthy, Delillo, Mishima, and Murakami novel next cycle!
I love the novel. To me, it takes its highest form when the author banks on everything it can do that no other medium can. That's why I don't really like to read spectacle/entertainment literature. Dune is a great book, but it may have been a play just as good, if not better (albeit an immensely ambitious one). The last day of a condemned man, or la part de l'autre, or crime and punishment, books like that have to be novels. They couldn't be anything else.
I never really considered this, but as I think about, the art form that has transformed me is art expressed through the written word. When I was in my early 20s I read John Updike’s Rabbit, Run. It formed in me the idea that institutions are a trap that will ruin your life. Updike focused on the institution of marriage, but it spills over to institutions in general. Instead of cowering before your wife and the pressure from society behind the wife, plug into the spiritual realm and follow that instead. I’m still single in my 60s.
Some new age nonsense that's thankfully getting old.
writer thinking writing is superior? shocking
Wallace’s interviews were a cherry on top of his releases, especially his Bookworm interviews with Michael Silverblatt.
🥺Imagining Wallace living in the age of podcast.
I don't see any Delillo videos on this channel except for this one. Just read Zero K. It left me in a meditative state
No transformative video game ?
Wait until the algorithm gets the Dark Souls crowd here.
Undertale after changing the way people look at rpgs, is just whistling in the background.
Great video - patterning is where it's at! I heard Chuck Palahnuik say this in a documentary or interview once about introducing an image early then bringing it through the story more and more, but it didn't click quite the same as how you explained it
Palahniuk is big on repetition in general, not just with images. Most, if not all of his books have what he calls choruses. For example, in Choke there are dozens of: "____ isn't the right word but it's the first that comes to mind."
Movies could be. Music could be equal!. But some must see this also from this argrument, that Music and Literature can be used in an artful way in movies. Thats the approach from for example Takeshi Kitano. He even named three art forms that could came together in movies: music, literature and visual arts Almost the first minute from Kitanos "Fireworks" can debunk this argument here. To prove this more, some most watch Movies von Jean Luc Godard. Some are litarrly made like an essay.
Music is absolutely equal, great music has transformed me in the same way great novels have.
For movies the audio-visual nature of it holds the potential of creating a sensory experience no other piece of art could create. 2001: A Space Odyssey, Apocalypse Now, Stalker, Jeanne Dielman, and many of the Lynch films are all movies that have achieved the transformative sensory experience movies are capable of. The problem is too many movies are not created through the unconscious, they come from boardrooms or a screenwriter intellectually trying to devise a perfect three act structure script with directors that disregard visual aesthetic and sound design.
@@unclebruncle Yes, you can recognize such constructed stuff straight away. There are always some characters in the center and the camera is only focused on them and their chatter. Always scene, dialogue, scene, dialogue. Christopher Nolan, for example, can be accused in some of his movies, of something like that. It is the kind of cultural industrial product that confirms viewing habits.
@@unclebruncle Or another example of cinematic art from the unconscious: The Mirror by Tarkovsky. Or How near, how far from Tadeusz Konwicki. Or an movie which i saw recently. Valley of the Gods.
As I've said before, I have only just almost 2 years now gotten into reading fiction. I feel so stupid to say that I didn't know anything about classics or how transformative reading fiction could be. I was a non fiction reader that assumed I was being more intellectual in refrauning from fiction. I often get so upset that I never had anyone to "show me the way" in a sense. But what I also feel sad to say is that I've not felt transformed by anything I've read. Granted my list is not long and yes I can say I've enjoyed some books greatly, Wuthering Heights is my favorite followed by Frankenstein, The Picture of Dorian Grey and than prob Jamaica Inn. I've really enjoyed Clarice Lispector and feel very moved when I read her...I feel like she's the writer I wish I was mixed with a little Emily and Daphne....but transformed? Changed? Only in the sense that it's changed my perception on reading fiction and reasons why I read it now almost exclusively. I do have dozens of books on my shelves I just can't read them fast enough...I am a slow reader.
It's funny how much I relate to your comment, despite some of it being the opposite of me. I'm in my mid-40s and have long felt I'm less intellectual because of my total lack of interest in non-fiction and poetry, but also not too interested in most of the older (pre-mid-20th century) classics of fiction. And I'm with you on transformation. Yes, my tastes and my writing have been altered by certain writers, but transformation seems like it means a drastic change in who one is as a person. Tbh, even your switching to exclusively reading fiction sounds like a bigger change than anything I’ve experienced from anything other than drugs in my youth or my spinal cord injury twenty years ago.
Also, I’m very curious to compare how slow we read, as I’ve always thought there can’t possibly be anyone who has read as much or consistently since childhood who reads slower than me. Something dense like DFW, I only get up to about 12 pages per hour, and even a snappy, small soft-cover crime novel full of dialogue and white space I max out around 30 pages per hour. I’m completely baffled when I hear someone talk about reading an entire book in a day or two.
@williambartholmey5946 yes transformative def suggest big life impacts. But maybe we exaggerate the language for the sake of the experience? I am also a slow reader. I try not to see it as a bad thing but I can't see it any other way haha 😆 I can complete a chapter in about 40 min or less (of course depending on the book...longer chapters typically) I'm currently reading Beloved by Toni Morrison. I started Monday, it's now Saturday afternoon and I've read 165 pages. I read once or twice a day if I'm lucky.
Nah... I visual art to be on equal ground with novels. This includes paintings, illustrations, etchings, or even cartooning. But I'm a visual artist, so I'm a bit biased.
Haven’t read anything by DeLillo in many years but do recall enjoying White Noise, Libra and Great Jones Street. The last one is probably considered one of his lesser works but of the three it’s my favorite partly for its beautiful lyricism. Be well.⚛️❤
Excellent analysis! We need more critical and literary reflections of this kind.
I recommend that you read the essay "The Writer and His Ghosts" by Ernesto Sábato. Among other things, Sábato supports the thesis that the novel is the supreme artistic medium, since it gives full access to the subjectivity of the character; this is something that Hollywood cinema does in a compressed and obscure way, since it is focused on physical action (for example, Tom Cruise thrillers, MCU movies and series).
The brilliant and ultra-abbreviated image of the two-hour film has left several masterpieces that hypnotize us, but they will never be able to touch the depths of human existence as a super container of words does (the novel, the essay, the historical-philosophical dissertation).
That's why I think Frank Herbert's Dune is a massive experience for the reader's mind because it invites the reader to draw conclusions about its world without having physical evidence of it, whereas Lynch's and Villeneuve's films that interpret that world in image format move in another direction. They appeal to the visceral excitement of the audience, watching sandworms and kings plotting against each other, but they can't show us the richness of their psychological worlds: cinema is trapped in the realm of pure action, the spectacle that "must escalate quickly" to keep the audience mesmerized.
Hey, that looks great. But, I don't think it has been translated into English? If so, do you have a link to read or buy it?
also if anything professional scientific articles/essays/books are superior at „understanding the world better, including the world of artistic creation”. novels really can’t compete with them.
I prefer reading over watching. But film is a much better form than a novel. Tremendously so. If you gonna make an argument for literature, do it with a short story or poetry, but even that doesn't matter compared to music.
I agree with you for the most part that DeLillo's 21st century work is a cut below his previous, but there's an 8ish page flashback in the middle of Zero K where he uses a technique that I think he first did in Underworld that I haven't seen from any other writer. It's seemingly non-sequitur paragraphs in a pattern of three... the fourth paragraph is a continuation of the first, the fifth continues the second, the sixth continues the third, and so on until they all come together at the end. The one from Zero K might be my favorite passage of fiction I've ever read. One of the only times I've been moved to tears by a novel, and I couldn't name the others off the top of my head.
Oh hell yeah we've got a DeLillo vid finally
In terms of interiority I latched onto Herman Hesse during my mid teens back in the early ‘seventies especially Siddhartha and STEPPENWOLF.
The White Noise movie was excruciating. It did the book a disservice.
YES! FINALLY!!! Been waiting for a DeLillo video since I found your channel. The intro suggests there were previous ones, but I guess you just meant there will be more in the near future? No shade to the other authors, I just like DD's work a lot more.
There’s a good bit in the past
@@maxwindom1200 Not on this channel. The list he mentions only has this video, and searching the channel overall doesn't turn up any others. Maybe they were really old and he deleted them?
@@williambartholmey5946 you’re right I can’t find them
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How can they be better
They aren't even similar enough things to be comparable
David Foster Wallace on Caribbean Rhythms. that's the podcast I wanna hear.
"Well-back" seems to be the most correct way to pronunce Michel Houellebecq's last name. 😂
I wish I could read White Noise for the first time again.
How many of his other novels have you read? IMO, White Noise isn't any better than several of his others and not much better than most of the rest.
@@williambartholmey5946 I've read the majority. There are key reasons I would want to re-read White Noise again for the first time, and my reflection had nothing to do with its quality within the Delillo oeuvre.
I actually wouldn't bother playing games of comparison based on quality within the oeuvres of interesting authors anyhow. Not much to gain for a reader like myself.
Word patterning, image patterning . . . Can you explain this more?
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What novel would you recommend that shows “how individuals blocks themselves off emotionally to the world”.?
I'm writing something like this. It's a coming-of-age story dealing with depression and maturity. For a long while the MC struggles to connect to other people. If you're interested, list your email.
Hi. I am an author. I agree with you. So lemme see if I understand. So I am working on a novel. So you are saying I should go on UA-cam and talk about it? To promote it? To get people thinking about it? Even before it is finished? I also have a Substack that I feel equivocal about. In fact, I have stopped publishing on it. But I hear you saying I should go back to that. Idk. Help me understand. I will listen to the rest of your posts.
I think you might be wrong about video games. video games are a long-form medium like books so they have just as much time to tell their stories as books do. too many non-gamers assume video games are just gameplay and have no idea that there are narrative-heavy games. and when it comes to stories changing you just look at how many people were changed by Metal Gear Solid 2. Video game narratives can change people just as books can. video games might be even better at changing people because of the medium's higher level of immersion.
Wait what’s that shirt ? Is there Write Conscious merch ??
I really struggle to put literature above music, even though I'm so much closer to it in life. What literature tries to convey, music can do (at least in its highest form) without any limitations of human thought. There's not a single person who'd reach human nature as deeply as Chopin, not Dostoyevsky, not Shakespeare, not even Biblical authors.
Oppenheimer is a master class of patterning.
Not sure what you mean. I admire Nolan but avoiding the film. It's my all time favorite biography.
@@johnradovich8809 hey, I don't blame you. Noland made some good films and some I hate...and biopic is a terrible genre for the most part. Imo, Oppenheimer is truly a great film. I've wat he'd it 5 or 6 times times and like it more and find more meaning it each time...and in first watch I liked it, but wasn't huge fan. It grew on me a lot.
@@watcherofthewest8597 Thanks for responding. Biopics affect me like garlic to a vampire. I don't need Hollywood to tell me about Ray or Ali. (or Freddie for that matter) I'm old enough and fortunate enough to have grown up with all of them.
@@johnradovich8809 man, I hate them too...Oppenheimer isn't like the others. It's a film.
Cover some William s burounghs. I think he is your type of writer.
Have you read Zone by Mathias Enard? I’d think you’d really like it
"Video games aren't transformative" bro hasn't played the 2000 Deus Ex 💀
That's a great game but truth is that the ideas you encounter in games like Deus Ex and MGS2 are already explored widely in literature. Deus Ex paranoia is derivative of Gravity's Rainbow paranoia. The devs even referenced Pynchon if I could recall. These games only give you a taste of revelation. If you want the whole meal, you got to hit the books.
@@hopscotchoblivion7564 I don't fully agree. This game is quite a unique blend of various perspectives found in literature, history culture and philosophy that stands on its own, even if some of its concepts come from books. It does so many notable interesting things that I couldn't list them all, from somehow making a clinically perfect engineered super soldier into a relatable protagonist to integrated realistic conspiracy theories that low key predicted the direction of our world to seamlessly Integrating into its gameplay hundreds of incredibly insightful random character dialogues that sometimes rival dialogue in many books.. Few books impressed me as much as Deus Ex, honestly.
@@sebastjankrek1744 I don't know what books you are reading but the dialogue is not that great, even if it does have cool ideas. I'm going to be charitable here because I used to think like you. The developers were able to make this game as interesting as it is because they've read books. Most of its ideas come from stuff they read. If anything the game is advertisement for gamers to get into literature lol. Books like Moby Dick, Gravity's Rainbow and Ulysses are difficult to get through, but you will get more out of them than playing Deus Ex. If you want to look more into themes explored in the game you should read Marshall McLuhan or Neil Postman.
disco Elysium
So…I’m confused. AI and virtual reality and the consolidation of control are going to eliminate the relevance of literary expression and artistic impact as a whole - oh, and there is going to be a literary renaissance as well. Seems more bleak than it is hopeful.
You're smart, and pretty wise, thanks.
The editing face at 8:00 lol
Do you listen to Ravi Shankar?
Of course. Been to a few of Anoushka's concerts.
Love some Don. And agreed on this one.
Music is not a "backtrack". Apples and oranges; you should've just refrained from referring to it. To even begin to compare in a reasonable way, talk about fully IMMERSING yourself in an ongoing musical experience, not just "accompanying" you while you do yoga or wash the dishes or whatever. Come on!
Otherwise, some good insights, and well done.
I know the thumbnail is clickbait but Lord of the Rings films absolutely smoke anything Delillo wrote lmao
Also the best video games compete with the best novels. Name a novel that is genuinely an order of magnitude better than Metal gear solid. I think a lot of good writers migrated to film/anime/gaming which is part of the reason why there aren’t as many great novelists today. Berserk and AoT (among many others) also compete with the best novels
Dude no offense but this is a cope lol. Read Divine Comedy, Moby Dick, or Paradise Lost. Metal Gear Solid is cool, but like all forms of medium it just repeats ideas in literature.
4:47 "videogames, ..." Max Derrat would disagree with you, and make you his enemy.
That guy is a Redditor's ultimate form.
TellTale games are awesome but novels are so much more.
@@Vincent_Law who's a Redditor?
Guy’s a feeble Jordan Peterson endorser with little of his own to say anyway.
@@genesisbustamante-durian Max Derrat: A self-congratulatory pseudo-intellectual wannabe connoisseur convinced he's got the mysteries of the universe figured out. Naturally, people will make fun of someone like that , so instead he preaches his "objective" take on reality through video essays where he overanalyzes anime and video games for hidden symbolisms.
Please can someone give me a pro tip on how I can stay focused when reading novels.
Find ones that interest you so much that reading them comes easy, try to build up to reading 20 minutes a day once that is a habit you can build up more from there.
By ones I mean books.(you could also try reading online stories on websites)
@@Books-ei6vl btw the classics are a good place to start the quality will be good so there's a higher chance it could be to your taste and leave an impression. (If something is well written enough it helps to suck you in)
I personally started with brothers grimm and hans Christian Anderson's fairy tales, I also recommend the hobbit, there's also books on various mythologies
Greek mythology explained by Marios Christou and David Ramenah is one of my personal favourites.
(Mythology tends to be the source of
Very interesting stories)
wtf was this even about lol. was this about things that are possible within art media or was it about the industries around them? yeah, corporations control almost all of the distribution of art. most are gonna worry about short term profits, not our intellectual well-being or whatever.
yeah, i've read wallace and pynchon novels that do things that would never be possible in another medium, but every other medium does things that novels cannot do. comparing their overall value beyond personal preference is silly. i've never read an interaction between two people that was as affecting as something from a cassavetes film where i can look at human faces and hear human voices, for example. and video games i think largely remain in the shadow of other media, but i've played games like ico or disco elysium that achieve things that a novel cannot. all novels aren't the quality of delillo, all film isn't the quality of marvel movies, all video games aren't call of duty. music has completely different aims, it's ridiculous to compare the two.
I disagree, the novel is different and writing one is vary different than filmmaking which is more a collective storytelling. There are issues with movies, the studio is looking to make ma's aside cash so they want nice safe PG 13 movies for the most part and said movie as to be connected to some IP. This means filmmakers can't get away with a lot that novelists can get away with such as graphic sex or violence nor can none get away with a downer ending. This doesn't make the novel better just different.
Also I still believe Stephen King is the greatest American living authors we have today. And I will hold that view until I am dead and rotting in my grave as the worms feast on my flesh.
I think all artistic meduims are just as deep as any other. The possibilities for expression within each is endless. That being said, music is the best. Words are too facistic. Novels speaks to the intellect whereas music speaks to the soul.
Wait what’s that shirt ? Is there Write Conscious merch ??
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