Big Drill Press Vise Restoration
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2020
- Heavy duty drill press vise with 13cm (5inch) wide jaws restored to be used with an appropriate sized drill press. Since this restoration process is as simple as it can be, I decided to make my own hard jaws out of an old and worn down file to make more interesting.
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2:15 One of the old jaw bolt was stuck. Since I knew I was going to make new jaws and I only had one of the original anyway I decided to cut it off.
3:24 Existing mounting holes preserved as I have been able (after much sturggle) to get stuck bolt out
3:47 Scrape off loose dust and grease
4:07 WD40 as tap lubrificant
4:15 Go over existing thread with tap to clean the threads and holes
4:40 For small parts the bench grinder / buffer with a steel wire wheel is the best
5:50 Spray degreaser
6:06 Grind off some big weld spots
6:30 Electrolysis: water and sodium carbonate solution, parts connected to negative side and steel sacrificial anodes to positive sice of a DC power supply (car battery charger). 2-3 hrs at 5amp.
7:00 Remove patina with steel wire brush in water
7:24 I could have left the vise in the electrolysis bath longer and skip this step, but I was in late!
7:41 a die grinder with a small steel wire bit is super handy for small places like this
8:20 Clean holes well with nitro solvent and alcohol
8:46 Two part filler (I notices chips tend to fall in holes like this if left open)
9:27 Grind flush with palm sander and low grit sandpaper
9:53 Old, thick, and worn out file
10:10 Cut required lenght with angle grinder and cut off disk
10:34 The file is hard, it snaps!
10:56 Annheal the file, hearing to 860 and letting to cool slowly
11:20 Difference between hard and annhealed file, hear the sound
11:50 Now the steel can be cut with the metal cutting bandsaw
12:24 Grind square with 2x72 belt grinder
11:52 Center puch
13:04 And drill holes
13:33 Now I can harden the steel by heating to critical and quenching in warm oil
14:05 And then temper for 2hr (jaws harness ended up between 50 and 55 Rockwell)
14:30 Making fasteners for the jaws out of hardware I have available, heads needed to be ground smaller on the 2x72 belt grinder
15:00 And also cut to lenght on the metal cutting bandsaw
15:47 Lead scwer was almost broken at the end, it has been repaired poorly so I went over with more welds
16:20 and ground new slot for the grub screw with die grinder and stone bit
17:58 Add a thin piece of copper sheat as spacer.
18:35 Grub screw replaced with new one
All parts are and will be keept well lubed up, I like this one raw steel!
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You are thé best i love you r vidéos
I've just got a question, where do you get these old tools? Flee market or some garage sales?
Did you consider painting the casted parts so that you don’t have to do this all over again in a few years when it rusts back ?
Great job buddy
How long did it take to get that bolt out?
Making new jaws from an old file was very creative and a very good idea.
my mechanics he make new ones
Can you make new one (video)?
Thanks mate!
I don't think so. Jaws should be made out of any kind of soft steel so they won't make to much damage to the object they hold.
@@ayupakhomov You can make copper cover for that
Just pointing out something on stuck screws. You want to heat the metal around the screw to expand the hole. Heating the screw expands the screw and can actually make it tighter
macgyver15147 This is exactly what I was about to say
@@Curtis-Randall Exactly what I said before I read your comment :)
@@Curtis-Randall I usually don't bother commenting on vids. Usually leads to keyboard warriors on youtube saying I am an idiot. Glad this channel can take advice by the up vote count I see on my comment. Furthermore on the stuck screw advice. I usually heat the surrounding metal to no more than 350 degrees F so not to change any heat treating on the parts. Heat the surrounding then spray penetratet oil on the screw. This cools the screw shrinking it slightly while capillary action "sucks" the oil into the threads. The screw's heat treatment is not affected by this method so wont break easily
Yeah was about to comment this, Nice restoration though!
Yes but if you heat the metal around the screw, it will expand on all sides, including in the direction of the screw so it will tighten it. If you heat the screw (untill it's red), the metal will be more ductile and can deform to go out. But it has to be red, otherwise you're right.
Pretty sweet vise. I hope to see it in future videos
Am I the only one who was waiting for a nice coat of shiny paint to complete the restoration?
That screw in the beginning is just about how every single one of my projects go lol. Nice video!
When trying to loosen a bolt you want to heat the material it's in not the bolt. Heating the bolt will expand it and just make it tighter.
Came to comment this as well
Correct. The law of thermal expansion in action.
Yeah and you can even place a drop of water or oil on the bolt
There are a few reasons why heat all over is a good 2nd best. Here's a good post in a long very good thread. (This is about expansion, and there are other good posts about heat being valid but unrelated to expansion.) diy.stackexchange.com/a/90399
Watching you going through everything getting that stuck jaw screw was some seriously relatable content.
Good job of cleaning it up and making it functional. I'm wondering why you didn't weld over the drilled divots and then grind them smooth, instead you used a bondo/ polyester body filler , that part doesn't make sense when you have a welder at your disposal?when metal is missing ..you should always use metal to fix it, especially a drill vise / machining tool. It is not a show stopper but it isn't typical or indicative of the usual quality of work that you normally do.
Nevertheless, you still do good work and your videos are always great
I thought the same, my guess would be that you probably wouldn't want to weld bedways since the could bend a little and that would be an issue.
I find more questionably using a file for the jaws
Thought exactly the same thing...I was shocked when the welder didn't come out.
@@filadelfozuniga3411 Why? It's steel that got hardened. Old file or bar stock, what's the difference? Maybe he wanted the light texture on the inner jaw...the file is perfect for that. An old worn out file got new life....and that leftover piece can become a knife.
@@khatfull with jaws you want to hold, not to bite off material, thats why they are usually soft steel and not too agressive textured just enough to grasp softer materials. Also if you got something hard it wont be hold as tigth since none, either jaws nor part would bulge
Who else gets ultra relaxed watching restoration videos and channels on YT? Calms me right down!
THANK YOU for not painting that in some horrible color. Old tools are old, so they can look old too, they just need to work like new ones. :)
He spent more time on one screw than I did in college
You’d think being an FBI agent would require some serious schooling
Carbide Games nah man, you just walk past the armed guards at the pentagon and straight into the head’s office. You’ll be hired immediately for your bravery.
@@PeachIceCreamy oooo ill take note of that
Your hired
I`m impressed with how you ground the sides of the bolt to be able to use a wrench. good thinking.
Yeah! I tucked that idea away for later use on my rusty old car!
Me at 2:30 coming with the acetylene torch: It cannot be stuck if it's a liquid.
fasten the nut to the broken bolt with a welding machine. the bolt heats up and is easier to unscrew.
P.s. sorry for my English)
C'est la meilleure solution !!!
It's the best solution !!!
Это лучшее решение !!!
Your English is perfect comrade
@@itsallfake100 no,))))) my English is google translate)))
Well done colleague.
Flattening an edge on the bolt... clever, In years I never thought of that.
when using a pipe wrench to grip such stubborn screws, mind the orientation of the tool. you were holding it wrong so the teeth couldn't bite into the material to grip it.
FYI for next time and I'm sure 10,000 others will say the same, it's usually best to heat the material around the fastener while minimizing heat on the fastener. Heating the screw itself makes it expand, further traping it in place
Not really you heat it to expand and then cool it to break the rust seal. Works great on exhaust components.
@@jeremygyles3492 Until it binds again because you lost the extra room created by heat expansion and you snap the stud
Tenacious little screw.....as always I did enjoy the view and brought back memories of my auto mechanic days.....damn them screws.
Traffic sounds like formula 1 race lol
1:26 I would ragequit at that point. I dont need much xD
I was swearing when i watch this to happen :D
Good job, sir!
Why does it sound like Ferraris are always driving by your house? Lol
Because Italy
With stuck bolts, maybe you already know this, but maybe you don't, if you spray it with pb blaster and work it back and forth (even just a little tiny bit, this works it down into the threads) let it sit for a bit, then repeat until it comes loose. I have to do this on my car pretty often, unfortunately.
Был уверен, что увижу заварку каверн полуавтоматом, аккуратную шлифовку, грунтовку изделия, покраску с соблюдением технологических процессов))) Видимо привык к хорошим проектам "черной бороды". Всё равно ставлю лайк!
I WOULDVE NEVER THOUGHT OF SQUARING OFF THAT BOLT WITH THE GRINDER AND USING A WRENCH. SUCH A GAME CHANGER LOL. AWESOME
3:36 I actually raised my arms above my head and yelled "HA!" 😂 I can only assume that you did also but are too much of a professional to show it in the video.
The bolt from hell! I've run into a few of those in my time. This is the first of you videos that actually made me laugh!
When I first saw you putting the new jaws on the vise I said to myself "I wonder if he put some grease before he screwed it tight". Ha Ha
Why didnt you weld the drill holes up on the rails ? that filler wont last long !
Indeed, he did the welding on the long no-end screw at the end, so I don't understand why he uses filler for this step...
@@lechatvenere Probably because its cast iron, and he does not have the equipment to weld it? Need to preheat it and use special electrodes. But i agree, i would have prefered welding over filler.
@@Trevtardius it's clear that for cast iron, you can't do some big welding, specially when parts suffer with pressure or torque, but what we have here, can be fix easily with normal weld as it is just esthetic and not functional 😊
Copy-paste from another comment I just posted:
The vise body is cast iron, I can't weld cast iron with my current equipment. I mean, I could try with stick welding pre-heating and all that jazz but it's too risky...
Also, I filled those only to prevent chips from falling in and stucking the movable jaw. Not expecting to last forever but it's easy to remake!
Fairly easy restore, few moving parts
*that second scew* “hold my beer”
I could feel the frustration of unscrewing that darn jaw screw
Думал будет наваривать и ровнять, а он взял и зашпаклевал. Я очень удивился.
а как он с прикипевшим винтом боролся и резьбу правил - многие видео как урок, а за это ссаными тряпками закидать
Он ещё по ходу плюс с минусом попутал, видно было как ржа от арматурин летит к тискам.
When he started cutting the file, I was like "bastard!" Lol
I could feel the frustration with the screw. Watching the entire sequence was frustrating even for me 😂😂. Wonderful job with this vise!!
BOM DIA MEU AMIGO, GOSTEI, ( NO MEU VER , FALTOU DUAS DEMÃO DE TINTA .
OUTRA COISA QUE OBSERVO NAS SUAS RESTAURAÇÕES VC USA MUITO ÁCIDOS PRA TIRAR A FERRUGEM.
__ GOSTARIA DE LHE DAR UMA DICA , SE POSSIVEL , FOR, ( POR QUE VC NÃO USA UM JATO DE AREIA .
__ O TRABALHO FICARIA MELHOR , MAIS RAPIDO , MAIS ACABAMENTO , ETCETERA ,,, SÓ UMA DICA , TA.
Everything is great as always.
The only thing is, filling putty holes is not very perfect. Cast iron is certainly a problem material for welding, but there is no load, you could just fill the hole with metal.
In fact, it does not matter, it's nitpicking.
PS.: I weld a lever to such bolts.
I like these "functional restorations"
you know it's a problem when you break out two torches!
I've got to commend that bolt, it was hell bent on doing it's job.
Just a tip, if you put the not on the side of the screw you were keeping, it would clean the threads as you remove it.
I love watching these already time lapsed videos on 2× playback speed.
Why not sandblast? And I also agree with other commenters, why not weld in those divots, then mill the rails flat?
I know that first screw that was stuck pissed him off, it pissed me off too.
I'll tell ya, I was gritting my teeth, when you were trying to get that seized thread out. Particularly when you had the spanner on it. I was waiting for it to just yield, twist and break off at the surface of the hole. Always a pain the arse when getting these out. I would put a thin film of grease or Never Seize on the screws so that doesn't happen again. Glad you didn't paint it, since it was going to be returned to use as it was. Well done.
19:26 I think that drill press needs to be your next restoration! 😄
That old vise was a lucky find.
That bolt was the definition of "seized".
I was waiting for the Benny Hill theme to start playing when you were fighting with the bolt, lot's of good alternative methods below in the comments that might save you a lot of time and frustration. I really like that you kept the character of the piece and didn't just make it look pretty. Oh yeah and I see a drill press restoration coming up in the not too distant future, great job!
That copper spacer will eventually cause corrosion (copper touching iron forms a battery, essentially), you should swap it for an aluminum spacer.
James Frankiewicz the copper spacer is sacrificial. It does not become a battery, even with an electrolyte. NEVER put ally with steel.. not a good recipe. The ally will pretty much weld itself to the steel, given a bit of salty water
People please..Don’t heat up the screw or bolt you are trying to remove. Heat up the material around the screw or bolt. You heat the bolt and it expands and gets tighter. Science.
Wow! I have never seen anyone work so fast! 😂
Good job putting it back in service again
انا من متابهيك عملك رائع ومتقن واصل بالتوفيق
I was waiting for the screw extractor set to come out….I’m still waiting.
When it comes down to it, stuck screws and pins are the worst. I remember taking the rusted-stuck pin out of a bulldozer arm. After attaching our massive bolt setup to the pin with an absurd amount of welding, it still took three of us dangling off of 6 foot long bar to get enough leverage to pull the pin out. There was so much pressure buildup that at one point the weld pretty much exploded and sent the bolt flying. This massive bolt on our setup weighed well over a dozen pounds and would have killed one of us if we hadn’t stepped back for a moment to catch our breath. If we had waited even ten more seconds, one of us would be gone today. We found a perfectly clean white down feather on the ground next to the bolt, so we joked about having a guardian angel for the rest of the day.
If you have a welder why didn't you use it to cover the drill holes on the base of the vise? Its life time fix instead of that temporary bundle mix.
Beard vs screw: Electric Boogaloo
Finally someone who shows the annoyance of a stubborn screw/bolt etc.
In the next video show us your reaction when finally getting that fucking screw out hahah
I can swear on that he said “son of a bitch!” at 3:37 :)
Jesus that one screw in the beginning is my life right now.
Hey man. Could you do a video on how to harder metals, the temperature and oil cooling. Cheers
this is not restoring, this is reconditioning
Agreed. I would have liked to see some new paint at least
1:00 - 3:37 if I had a relationship as strong as that screw..
Great job!
It's a pity you muted the part where you removed the recalcitrant screw; I'd like to learn more Italian swearwords.
Pretty sure MF'R is universal.
@@bobdriggers6111 No it's not. In Italian there's no equivalent . Puttana eva! is a good one
Это не реставрация, а показ зрителю как делать не надо
Нужно больше шпаклевки
На хрена шпаклёвка?? Сварочника нет?
Как говорится, миксер мне в глаза! 🙈
Всего один вопрос: почему винт заварил и отшлифовал, а основание тисков замазкой помазал? Ведь мог...
Exactly what I was thinking
Потому что олень
@@user-tl9wq3tm5u that's interesting. Tell me more.
Beautiful work on this one! That vise should give many more years of faithful service.
Looking forward to the restoration of that absolute beast of a drillpress!
And a preview of an upcoming project! Nice!
Hate it when those tips break, can take them to the grinder.
Thanks for sharing the cleanup,
Cheers
Holy shit the amount of work that went into this. Nice job
idea add a plate reading "in memory of Stan lee"
Frame that bolt. I was mad at it and I wasn't doing any of the work.
Beautiful work, as usual. No green paint?
BB you have that half part of that file, make knife from that part!!!
Cliffhanger: a beautiful drill press needing for some love!
Io avrei fatto lo stesso con i fori, con lo stucco sei sicuro di non aver modificato la planarità delle guide.
An excellent job in restoration. Love the de-hardening, then re-hardening of the jaw pieces... WELL DONE!!! 10/10
Look at it this way...
A tough screw is far more rewarding than an easy screw! 😉✌🏼
Nice job . Maybe some powder-coating next time .
It might be worth getting some impact specific bits for that manual impact driver
The best pls like
let the vice sunk into a pool of oil for days and the screws will be a piece of cake
1:35 is that an F1 street testing in the background?
Next time, try to weld a nut to the bolt, it is very easy to take it off like so.
I always wondered who would win...the fike....or the sanding belt....thanks for clearing that up for me grin nice job dude
1:35 was just the sound of him moving
I would've preferred to see the dimples in the vise welded full. I told my son that's what he was about to do when I saw him break out the bondo 😶
SO MANY smart tricks to get that damned SCREW out!!
Man vs screw 😂😁🤣 ... that big boy it's the next job 😱
Хорошо перед сном смотреть )
A little disappointed you didn't weld to fill the holes but as always beautiful final product
Отличные тиски, не идеальное восстановление, но смотреть очень интересно.
О русский
That screw!!!!! Is when I would give up
Good restoration. I like the idea of reusing the file to make new pads for the jaws. The jaws are square and line up properly when closed. A useful tools whose life has been extended. Thank you and regards from the USA.
Rust is a very powerful Loc-tite 😀
Deveria aquecer a peça onde o parafuso esta fixado pra que ela dilate e não o parafuso.
я познал всю боль попытки выкрутить болт! даже думал. что не получится
На отломанную резьбу ставлю и придерживаю гайку подходящего диаметра или чуть больше, свариваю через середину, откручивается всегда. Самые ржавые со второго или третьего раза.
Раньше и гайки и болты откручивали при помощи молотка и зубила/отвертки выбивая по кругу… да и вдшку не помешало бы… на крайний случай на ночь в саляре замочить можно было…
3:38 Yeah, take that you stuck bolt!
I lose so much motivation for the project I'm working on every time I encounter a screw or bolt that takes an hour to remove.
Rockin' some Gary glitter...