Are Binding Vows a Cop Out? | Jujutsu Kaisen
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- I got asked for my opinion on Binding Vows in JJK, plus a few other questions.
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There's one thing I'm confused about with Sukuna's binding vow. Ik the explosion from a Kamino in the domain is absolutely massive because of the charged dust and the closed barrier and stuff, but what's it like outside the domain? GEGE said he made a vow to counteract the downsides, which included AoE, so is the explosion just as large as what we saw in Shibuya or is it just not lacking in size?
I feel like we haven’t seen enough of them for it to be a “cop out”, but it’s 100% a great plot armor excuse
And after all, plot armour is a given, what matters is if they make sense.
It def is
It’s crazy Gojo didn’t use bonding vow but Sukuna pull like 20
He did but only to refine his domain technique. @@kamara6392
@@kamara6392 He got taken by surprise and we find out later he wasn't all that motivated to live at that point, it's explained in the text.
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I feel like the biggest issue is that we don’t get enough explanation/visualization of the drawbacks like we know there are some but until it’s revealed it feels like a cop-out.
I think it's smart because very much so with the inherent binding vow of "revealing your hand" it puts us in the point of view of the good guys that don't really understand what just happened. And it helps the big bad to keep the good guys on their toes not knowing what has been exchanged.
@@MrStupididy yeah but like you said the “revealing your hand” reveals your abilities for a pretty much nonexistent power up meanwhile these unknown binding vows are literally killing off some of the strongest in the verse. The trade off just seems unbalanced.
@@trollverse171 we don't "see" the power up because a lot of the people who don't reveal their hand like sukuna or other strong sorcerers don't really need to. We don't see the power up because we either have a sorcerer who does explain their abilities or ones that don't explain their abilities so we see neither the nerfed or buffed versions.
@@MrStupididy explain why Gojo wouldn’t reveal his abilities against Sukuna? Explain why Sukuna wouldn’t reveal his abilities while he’s down to his last legs. It’s like Naruto as we’re approaching the end game stuff like substitution and other relative abilities are forgotten. You get a great concept of cost and effect but it’s just poorly used. Binding vows like Miwa’s are a good example of the consequences of using binding vows, everything Sukuna has done isn’t.
yeah, if gege had balls he would make sukuna lose because of a consequence of breaking one of his binding vows
The concept of them makes sense within JJK but the application as of late is insane
The issue with binding vows isn't necessarily their concept or implementation, but rather our lack of knowledge about them. We have almost no understanding of what makes a "valid" binding vow. Many people wonder, "Why didn't Yuji give up his life for a 1-day power boost like Gon from HxH?" "Why didn't Higuruma make a vow to land his slashes easier?" "Why didn't Gojo use any during his fight in Shibuya or with Sukuna?" and so on. There are several instances where binding vows seem underutilized, yet we aren't given any explanation as to why.
Miwa created a powerful binding vow seemingly out of nowhere, suggesting it must be simple to use. We've never seen the consequences of breaking a vow to oneself. I recall a comment suggesting that you only lose what you've gained, but this doesn't make sense. For example, Sukuna could fire a World Slash without restriction, and it's not like he could "lose" the fact that he killed Gojo without chanting unless Gojo was revived or time was reversed. There must be something enforcing this restriction.
These issues are especially relevant when we don't have clear answers. It appears that Gege only recently realized the usefulness of binding vows and now uses them whenever he wants something specific to happen. This inconsistency is emphasized because Sukuna is the only character utilizing them correctly. With the manga still ongoing, readers have more time to scrutinize details between chapters. Even if we eventually get answers, like with Gojo vs. Sukuna, it could take a long time, leading to growing frustration among the fanbase.
I know this is a pretty long rant, but these recent chapters have been quite frustrating for me, and I wanted to get it off my chest even if no one will read through it.
Completely agree especially the under utilized part if miwa of all people could make a binding vow there's no reason other characters can't do so too especially gojo,yuta and mostly for me personally higuruma.
like your telling me a prodigy lawyer who goes over cases and documents with a fine comb to learn information and find loop holes in said documents to help save clients wouldn't put into practice this same energy into learning jujutsu and making basic binding vows.
I agree as well, the point I'm peeved about however is that Sukuna seeming just *Knows* in the heat of battle how to effectively use the binding vows whenever he needs to.
For someone claimed as the strongest 1000 years ago, how can he use the binding vow in such creative ways on the spot when he probably hardly used it before?
Thanks for pointing this out. The second paragraph has been bothering me as well, regarding sukunas binding vow against gojo for the world cutting slash.
the same could be said for hxh
i agree with your overall point but i think the answer to breaking a vow you made with yourself is that you can't. Like it's not that sukuna would lose what he gained if he used world slash without restriction it's that he now has the restriction, he can't use it without restriction now. The lose what you gained thing would aply maybe to nanami, if he used all his power before afterhours he wouldn't get the more powerful boost later.
3:50 I never thought about it until now, but Megumi's decision summon Maho really encapsulates that his mindset is holding him back. A character with a more ambitious or selfish mindset may have found a way to actually survive that situation, like learning RCT on the spot like teen Gojo.
Megumi stated he had no cursed energy and he was bleeding out from Tojis stab wound and Haruta's strike.
Haruta even said it looked like he didn't need to finish him off.
Haven’t we seen Yugi keep fighting with wounds worse than what Megumi had
But Yuji is literally built different
@@RGA301092 by built different you mean plot armor
@@Chrisdish He still had enough to summon Maho apparently. Also teen Gojo had like 20 stab wounds.
People will complain about it sukuna not suffering from BVs as if Yuta wasn’t supposed to die after the ‘love beam’ binding vow
not to mention todo's binding vow which to me makes 0 sense
@@delta2370 todo is able to activate boogie woogie up to 50 times per second with vibraslap but he sacrifices some amount of swaps to allow him to rotate positions between 3 targets or at further range
Sukuna abuses it way to much and somehow he's holding back gege obviously gave up
@@delta2370 The switch up from clapping to using his tool isnt actually a binding vow, he just switched up the conditions, he didn't use a binnding vow for that, his binding vow, is that more claps/vibraslaps= More beings that you can switch with/Bigger range.
@@delta2370ok so activation condition change from clapping to clacking in the wooden box, we've seen this before because simple domain can be held in a couple of different ways all essentially hindering the user but to different extents. Then this raises his number of "claps" to 50 a second, the binding vow restriction isn't really giving anything up for anything else but modifies his technique to be 50 swaps a second limited by the amount of things swapped. So if he had 50 fighters/objects he could switch all of them once a second but in the roulete wheel panel it would be more like 50/3 so it would bethat they are all swapping places 16 times a second. Theoretically he could do this anyways by swapping 1 thing to another then swapping a third thing with that first thing the binding vow just makes it instantaneous and prevents him from switching 50 things 50 times a second. Also this might have also limited swapping 2 things from 50 times a second to 25 which would be the real limitation. Longwinded but his binding vow does make sense
Binding vows are starting to feel like ocular jutsu in Naruto. Not really a plot contrivance yet but oh boy is it convinient
The issue with binding vows with one's self are the lack of consequences vs the power granted.
In Hunter x Hunter they have serious consequences for breaking Nen contracts, as even breaking minor contracts could result in loss of nen use entirely or straight up death.
Thus, the power they gain and the intelligent strategy of using them feels earned and balanced.
As a result, when someone intellegently leverages that system it's respectable.
In JJK the personal Binding Vows lack consequence in proportion to the power gained and it doesn't feel balanced or earned.
Gege seems be great at planning, as we've seen with some of these long term reveals, so I don't think they're a cop out for him writing himself into a corner.
I think it's just a less fleshed out/thought out/balanced system - at least as we understand them now.
Gege might reveal something about them later which helps in this regard, but I personally see that as pretty challenging to do with how they've been presented so far.
Edit: [Spelling] Missing a 'g' from 'planning'.
I liked how Sukuna used them initially, making them trade seemingly small things that ultimately made a big difference, for example, malevolent shrine being open allowing for an escape, but also allowing him to expand the range much further, or the use of enchain to body jump to Megumi.
The problem is the later ones that just let him use domains even though he’s out of gas.
@@thecod2345 Agreed! That seemed like a balanced trade-off.
your missing the point then
@jacjac7154 Legitimately asking and curious, but what's the point you're referring to?
There's always a solid chance I missed something and would appreciate any correction.
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Makes them feel very cheap sometimes. I really like the purely mathematical ones like overtime or the one Hakari makes for CE reinforcement.
- Vow 1 (Current Era): use World Cutting Slash one time, and every time after, you have to use incantations, hand signs and point the direction of the Slash. (needs 3 hands to use and forces you to telegraph the attack).
- Vow 2 (Current Era): Use different parts of the brain to open a Domain Expansion. Repercussion is that the Domain can only be used for 99 seconds.
- Vow 3 (Heian Era): since the Furnace is weak both in Range and Speed, create a Binding Vow where in exchange for buffing its Speed and Range, you can't use it against multiple targets when outside of the Domain Expansion.
-> All of them are reasonable, and the only reason he can create such Vows and manipulate the side effects to be in his favor is because he is versed in the power system, which led to his title as The King of Curses.
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There definitely are a lot of binding vows that are totally a cop out and don’t really make sense but glad it actually has a inverse explanation and not just blatant plot armor gege is covering it well.
I think those MAY be explained later in a flashback, maybe
@@magikarp1666I hope so
Which ones?
@@SolidSnake240 todo’s binding vow trades basically nothing for a large boost , sukuna’s flame arrow vow makes zero sense and sukuna’s world slash vow doesn’t seem very equal too me atleast.
@@delta2370the fuga vow is easy, since its range is low he made a vow that its range increases when used in his domain but outside the domain he cant use it on more than one person at a time.
Binding Vows are interesting and it's cool to see characters abusing their power system, but I feel like they're more used as a universal excuse for when Gege needs the story to take a sharp turn or for something that wouldn't normally make any sense to happen.
Ye, imo if we can see the downsides come to play then I don’t think binding vows are just only convenient narrative tools
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The thing that bothers me is that we've never seen what happens when you break a binding vow... Maybe a vow imposed on oneself just stops working, but what would have happened if Mahito broke the vow with Mechamaru? We don't know anything.... If Sukuna was just HIM in terms of knowing how to avoid breaking a vow, I could let it slide, but he's just stacking them up for pulling up moves that he only uses once so it does feel like a crutch to me
Binding vows are like rolling dice
Though the activation of Sukuna's domain was because of output through a different part of the brain, I think the specific vow that allowed him to use his Gojo's one-handed sign could be that the heart of his domain is vulnerable.
When Gojo clashed with Sukuna, the characters mention that the shrine itself could not be harmed and cause the domain to collapse, but what if the reason its shape is different because now is because it can be destroyed now, hence why it looks more alive than before. Therefore, damaging the shrine itself could cause the domain to collapse and *potentially* permanently or temporarily destroy it or cause it to malfunction consistently.
Tldr: in exchange for opening his domain with one hand, the heart of Sukuna's domain can be attacked and cause its destruction
I think the only issue with binding vows as a plot point in jjk is when future power is able to be traded for immediate power when realistically sukuna isn't gonna win so the fact that his future power is going to get removed doesn't matter
Yo, I have some questions regarding binding vows so if anyone can answer them it would be much appreciated.
1. We know that it is possible to break a binding vows with yourself and the consequence for doing so is losing what you gained. Wouldn’t it be better to break binding vows in certain circumstances?
For example: Sukuna created a binding vow to use the WC slash without hand signs to kill Gojo. In exchange, he now has to do extra shit every time he uses the move. If Sukuna broke the binding vow, couldn’t he just go back to using the technique like normal? He already used the technique with no hand signs and killed Gojo so breaking the vow would literally have no consequences and would actually be beneficial. Sukuna would no longer have to deal with the consequences of the binding vow after he broke it and could use the WC much more effectively. He doesn’t need to adhere to the vow anymore since Gojo is dead.
2. Could you set the same binding vow multiple times?
For example: Let’s say Nanami is in a hypothetical fight where he has to break his binding vow and needs access to 100 percent of his cursed energy instead of his usual 80 percent. By breaking the vow, Nanami would lose the buff he gains from overtime to gain the access to the 20 percent he needs for the fight. Say Nanami survives the fight. Couldn’t he just redo the binding vow once the fight concludes. There is nothing that says you can’t make the same vow multiple times, so theoretically this should be possible, especially if the character already knows how to make a binding vow.
3. If characters utilize binding vows to their full extent, are they just broken plot devices?
If both of these scenarios above are true, characters can literally create binding vows to gain temporary power ups, break them if they no longer need power up to avoid the consequences from the binding vow, and just reset the binding vow anytime they need a power boost. This would be one of this most broken things in the verse.
I am interested to hear someone else’s thoughts on these points.
Thank you for your time 🙏.
The main problem is that based ok what we know, everyone should be making them all the time, this could have been fixed by simply making it so that it maybe needs a high level of jujutsu like domain expansions. Like we should have seen everyone do at least one as a last ditch effort.
Can there be a binding vow that sacrifices cursed energy in return for whatever the person making it wants? Literally most convenient binding vow if that were the case, disposable and replenishable.
Nah because the dog would literally have ripped haruta to SHREDDS. That thing donuted a special grade curse right? Haruta is NOT stepping to the dog. I'm always gonna feel like him popping mahoraga at that moment was kinda forced, but, I can't really complain because that mahoraga fight was absolute heat 🔥
The thing is, Megumi had no idea what the extent of Haruta's abilities were. He could have summoned the dog and probably would have been fine but it's not like he knew that. And considering he passed out right after summoning he knew he needed something that could guarantee that Haruta went out with him.
How is it forced when Megumi was ready to summon him at any inconvenience. That, and the dude had literally just got stabbed , he figured he was gonna die anyway.
@@Thunderstorm711993 Even IF he didn't know the extent of his abilities, he could have atleast tried a rabbit escape. Also, you would think it would take a little bit MORE stamina to summon the divine general than summoning a dog or some rabbits. Also the reason he passed out was he got punched into a wall lmao. (It was also the dead of night, so he couldve hid in shadows to escape as well.)
@@SolidSnake240 I get that he thought he was gonna die, but even if he did, he still had the resources to make atleast one more attempt at an attack or escape. It couldn't hurt anything, especially against someone who's guard is fully down. Also, megumi had gotten better at not summoning mahoraga at every inconvenience, as showcased when he fought toji.
At first they were written really well. But they’ve become a really big narrative cop out. There’s literally no arguing with that
definitely a cop out. It seems like there are no negatives and if they are they are so temporary that they don't even matter.
6:00 It's actually Chapter 269 where Gojo finally learned how to do the legendary Reverse Backshot Technique
I kinda dislike Gege used a binding vow to take out the character who _he_ made too strong without having the writing chops to write around those strengths. Didn't even get to see a proper fight where Miwa went all out.
Damn just asked a question about a possible Gojo binding Vow on the last vid, lol
The main problem with binding vows is that there are no strong restrictions on them - to the point that I don't see why everyone isn't making binding vow all the time
If it's Sukuna using them, yes. For everybody else, specially Miwa, they actually do trade things off. Still baffled by the 5 minute time limit Yuta has.
the best way i saw binding vows used is for the anime trope of over explaining your ability mid fight
Where does the line between a binding vow and an activation of a cursed technique get drawn?
Todo vibraslap activation? Or binding vow?
Mahito: was touching someone an activation? If it’s the activation then how did he do it remotely without a binding vow?
It's a unique plot device. Kinda like explaining your technique for a buff that doesn't really play a role in anybody the fights
Sukuna may have a connection to that force that makes these vows. He does say they are a mutual agreement, meaning that there is a second party involved. Maybe it's the same source the sparks of black come from.
The problem with Binding Vows is that they're instant, in the moment powerups that happen offscreen. If they are made in advance ahead of time and shown or hinted at their creation, people wouldnt have as much of a megative reaction to them
Binding Vow have consequences, but only a few affect Sukuna like people want to. They arent just a "I give you this, you give me this", they are a restriction that creates frustration, fear and negative emotions which empower your CE and that reflects in the reward that you set. I think self-imposed BV are harder to achieve and Miwa did one by accident, only about 5 people did this to themselves. It has to be genuine.
Anyway, here is my list of Sukuna's Vows and what i understood as the "cost-benefit" of them for anyone that is not seeing the consequences:
1. His domain is not closed, which expanded his range to 200m.
2. Kamino got faster and could go farther, in exchange for not using while outnumbered, the exception being inside his domain.
3. Kamino can only be used after some use of Slashing and Cleave. This could be just how his CT works.
4. Reducing MS range will make his Sure-Hit stronger
5. Only targeting Unlimited Void's Barrier also made his Sure-Hit stronger. The tricky thing here is that this made Sukuna vulnerable to the UV's Sure-Hit, which is why he needed to touch Gojo or pause the Adaptation to use DA.
6. He instantly slashed Gojo without any gesture or movement, which is why he needs to do Hand Signs and Chants to activate the Extended Cursed Technique Target that makes the World Slash.
7. As of Chapter 262, he did a Binding Vow that reduced his Domain to only target the basketball sized UV, which made his domain as strong as before he got damaged.
The "impromptu" BV that he did to open his Domain against Yuji are unknown and maybe will be explained in the future, otherwise i dont see any of them as bullshit like some people try to make.
The trick about BV is that you dont need to actually lose something to do them, only limit yourself even if that limit is irrelevant to you. Hakari used one to enhance his durability in exchange for his arm, Miwa enhanced her attack in exchange for never using a sword again, but both of them could just, respectively, regenerate and use another weapon.
Even Nanami could just undo his Overtime and use 100% of his energy at any time.
Sukuna’s binding vows are representative of his character the same way limitless is representative of gojo’s character.
Sukuna is willing to throw away anything in pursuit of his own goals. So the ability and willingness to trade one thing for another is ridiculously effective for sukuna.
He traded the world cutting slash to beat gojo, megumi’s form (which he stated was better for fighting sorcerers) to beat kashimo, he traded a hand to beat higuruma. And his power came from his willingness to trade away his humanity. Even his technique-a representation of representation of who he is-has been altered by a binding vow.
Sukuna is always cutting away pieces of himself to get stronger. He’ll throw anything away for power, that’s what makes him a monster.
Binding vows don't have enough of a penalty in this series.
I feel like people keep confusing binding vows with equivalent exchange, when it's really a negotiation. Sometimes you make a killing, sometimes you get scammed (Miwa ;.;), so it's not surprising that someone with so much knowledge like Sukuna would be a master. But I do think we're owed an explanation or some kind of payback for all the bullshit he's been pulling.
For sukuna he usually makes a way to go around the downside mostly so it feels like a crutch for him
I wish the leaks came out earlier I can't stay up late for them during school nights
I don't think they are cop outs, I do however think some of them weren't planned for initially and was more so gege winging it. I think by the time the manga ends we'll have a better answer but for now I have to assume gege knows what he's doing
binding vows created mid fight are the issue and DEFINITELY a cop out to make up for bad writing while fans act like it's some crazy big brain subversion of expectations like hes rian jonson killing of luke skywalker . it's pure laziness and it shouldn't be rewarded
Sukuna obviously made a binding vow with Gege, where if he keeps fans on their seats there will be no negative consequences for all other binding vows
Lol I kept getting jjk spoiled so much I just said fuck it and read the manga. Every social media outlet I had was haunting me I couldn’t get away
One question : when you make a vow with someone you can break the vow but you'll have to pay, but when you make a vow with yourself, can you break it by mistake or is it mandatory?
Example : I make the vow to not being able to use my left arm to Amp my right arm, then make 5 other vows.
Can I just forget the vow and use my arm by mistake? And pay a price?
Or is the vow in printed into me like, even if I forget my vow and wanted to use it, I can't since I made this vow?
Binding vows can be good, but without enough explanation on what the cost is, it narratively is a cop out. Sukuna is the current peak of jujutsu, but he's heavily injured and burning through CE. BV's should limit his arsenal and capability but keep him going to show they are wearing him down. Otherwise, its just dragging on a very long fight
The reason they seem so overpowered and to have popped up out of nowhere is because we’ve never seen Jujutsu pushed to the brink of what is conceptually achievable. These are the strongest sorcerers throwing hands endlessly. Remember earlier on in the show, binding vows were introduced very early to the budding students - it’s a core part of sorcery. And the students were a core part of the show, but were all novices when compared to grade 1 sorcerers. And so we got used to their level of skill and creativity, contrasted by recent chapters. Recent chapters where the STRONGEST are pushing every part of their arsenal as far as it can go. Re: the higher grade sorcerers; Nanami is constantly equipped with a binding vow, Mei Mei uses a binding vow as her ult, like majority of the best sorcerers we’ve seen all utilise binding vows. They’ve always been busted, and part of the fun of the power system and narrative. FURTHERMORE, in a meta sense, why the FUCK would you want binding vows to be nerfed and just cripple the fluidity and ingenuity that partly makes the show what it is.
It is a narrative crutch tho
I think they're cool to add some assymetry to the power system in the ofdensive side, like "This character cant do X normally but by giving up Y hes able to"
But on the defensive side they are a bit Meh
Is it just me or does this fight arc with the team strategy flashbacks seem really similar to the style of story telling like reservoir dogs :p
The Sukuna domain one is iffy, "imprecise methods" what does that mean?
I've always been afraid of answering this because I didn't know if I let my agenda cloud my judgement or not. Glad to see someone on the other side of the spectrum agree, though. It just makes sense that Sukuna of all people would take the most advantage of the power system when he works on nothing but mastering Jujutsu.
Train for another 1000 years if you wanna be as much of a binding vow merchent as Kenny and Sukuna 😆
broo man, 2w break.
gotta pull a binding vow to forget about jjk so I can withstand the infinite blueballs
It just makes sense that the best jujutsu sorcerer would obviously use everything to their advantage, Sukuna obviously is aware that binding vows are extremely helpful so why would he not use them
Problem is that he just knows the solution to every problem by activating a binding vow.
Miwa activated one with ease and Sukuna Is activating binding vows during split second decisions and some of them are explained only several months later.
Nah. It doesn’t matter how good you are. Miwa made one potent she can’t swing a sword. The problem is that sukuna is the only character who’s at the top tiers that uses them effectively, and it feels like favoritism. Nothing on the level of binding vows would seperate sukuna from Gojo, to Gojo from Yuta. Yuta made one that was powerful enough to potentially kill him had he not lucked out with rika’s curse being dispelled.
@@HabitualThinker well I was saying he would use them because he knows they’re good not that binding vows are only good because he’s good
Do you think Sukuna is in certain situations changing the perimeters of his binding vows cause he’s been able to adjust his technique so much under the circumstances of low cursed energy etc
I feel like binding vows in general aren't as well understood by modern day sorcerers as heron era, both kenjaku and sukuna describe it or use it as a crutch to facilitate jujutsu while at most other sorcerers use it to make their tesuniqes easier to use
I think 261 confirms that my king is second only to sukuna before he took Gojos body
Just more people have to use binding vows. Beside Sukuna and Kenjaku not many use it.
For Sukuna i am still waiting until he is locked because of all his binding vows.
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The problem is that megumi thought that way about tons of his fights.. he was looking for any chance he coukd just to throw his life away it seemed
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coming from Hunter x Hunter I always thought characters should pull more nen binding vows out of their asses, but we only see two people using them.
No. They're an element of a soft magic system designed to give the writer flexibility in how they approach interactions. They are fine so long as they stick to the premise of "give and take".
People who say they want it locked down are asking for a completely different system than JJK has shown to date. It ain't happening, at best we will get more clarity on how they are made and what the actual cost can be for breaking them.
Comparing to Nen Contracts, we see the "give" part of binding vows way less, arguably the one who went through all the parts of the process is Miwa, even if it was ultimately useless, we at least saw the outcome. A lot of the binding vows, in general, feel abstract and risk free
@@kalanielibrenoklinke9440 That is simply a product of Gege wanting to have the cost inferred and/or set up for later down the line when it becomes more relevant. It is also a READER ISSUE and not a narrative issue. The reader wants answers now and Gege doesn't want to give it to them for numerous reasons including encouraging speculation. I have absolutely no problem, for instance, with him not immediately pointing out the binding vow that allowed Sukuna to pull off the world slash when he defeated Gojo because it was pretty obvious he sacrificed something in order to do it. It would have distracted from the moment, and been unnecessary additional info that could b explained when the world slash was used latter in its more telegraphed state. Moreover, Sukuna didn't need the binding vow to kill Gojo, he simply needed it to pull off the slash at that exact moment.
So far I have absolutely zero problem with Gege's use of binding vows. He is walking a fine line, but he is walking it well so far.
The problem is that they aren’t cop outs but are only used in ways that feel like they are. Sukuna should’ve been using more than just the ones he’s used by now if he’s so good with them.
They’re underutilized, and only utilized at points where it feels like It’s gege getting a character of a bad situation.
Gojo could’ve made a binding vow similar to miwa’s where he sacrifices the ability to use hollow purple in exchange to just boost the uncontrolled HP, which likely would’ve finished sukuna. Sukuna couldve made various other binding vows instead of the one that just allowed him to freely WCS yuta.
We don’t know much about them, so it’s not like it’s a fleshed out system in which we know the limits. It just feels like an incomplete concept that’s still being implemented, to me.
No risk, high reward.
Sukuna literally just has to use his hands in exchange for winning the hardest fight of his life,
Todo sacrificed literally nothing in exchange for his boogie woogie just being better than it was before,
Sukuna again did the 99 second domain with what narratively feels like no drawback.
They are way to opaque. You don't know what binding vows are being used and their drawback till after the fight. So all of the drawbacks are kinda meaningless effectively making a cheap way to powerup character. Even worse is that none of the heroes seem to be willing to use them even though they can. It doesn't take me out of the story and it is probably the best way to have a character like Sakuna but when binding vows were introduced they should been used as a way to add tension to fights. Is a character going to figure out your using a binding vow? Can they deduce the draw backs? Binding vows in its current form could be replaced with ssj, sage mode or any transformation and basically have the same effect on the fight as they are written now.
We know binding vows exist. Its just people are mad because they dont like seeing peak fiction on one character 😂
Tonights chapter is gonna be insane. Im personally mixed with binding vows because they can ruin the story mainly with sukuna but it can also force the characters to grow and adapt
If Sukuna suffers for breaking a vow; no. Otherwise; yes
Gojo not making a binding vow to buff his last purple is bs tbh
its kinda goated to cover fraudkuna ass, like megumi tanking the IV, just plot devices to give sukuna some chances
Sukuna didn’t need Megumi to tank UV. Their domains sure hit cancelled eachother so sukuna was unaffected, but he just didn’t cancel it for megumi. We’ve seen domains people with multiple souls before like this with mahito and sukuna this was nothing new.
I think that yuji is the kind of person to do the worst type of binding vows like miwa's binding vow
plot hole but renamed
Until they backlash, they are interesting cop outs
I feel like binding vow is dependent on user for someone like sukuna is definitely op for someone like miwa is no treat 😂
to pin this comment, Sukuna undertook another binding vow.
It's just a cool way to explain away a character pulling unexpected moves/strategy rather than little to no explanation whatsoever when they're doing it like in many other shonens.
This is jist my personal opinion I don't mind binding vows as they're pretty unique but at this point they just seem like ass pulls.
Without knowing the rules, they’re a narrative tool.
They're just a worse version of Nen contracts. It's an idea taken from a better manga. For anyone who might say, "If you don't like it, why don't you stop reading." Just because I like a fancy restaurant more (hunterxhunter), it doesn't mean I can't enjoy some Taco Bell now and then (JJK).
Binding vows are bull shit we haven’t seen any negative come from them
It was literally stated that at worst, self imposed binding vows only take away what you gain by using them. What negative effects are you looking for? Sukuna can't even use the world cutting slash until he clears like 3 conditions, thats an obvious downgrade from just being able to fire them off whenever he feels like it. The only binding vows tht we haven't seen the negative aspects of are the ones formed between 2 other people wholich are different. We've only seen Sukuna actively use self imposed binding vows.
@@SolidSnake240 sell imposed vows are like making a New Year’s resolution on going to the gym everyday and going on a diet worst thing that can happen is you don’t get skinny and your disappointed in yourself lammmeeeee
yeah you give the spoiler warning but you’ll throw a spoiler in a thumbnail in a heartbeat
i love binding vows because how it works. its not base on human emotional value. give up something to gain something. that is the rule and context does not matter.
the fact 2 people can have one goal, i dont want to hit my ally during a DE and yet 2 people can create binding vows.
1. will make his DE weaker to being able to select a target
while
2. the other guy will give up hitting all target, only being able to select one target at a time, and gain an increase damage for his DE......
its all about mindset on how you use binding vows. people that dont like then seems to think its because there is no down side. showing their misunderstanding of them. its not about the context nor the goal... its just about giving something up to gain something.
Why are binding vows such a hard concept for people to grasp? They are basically just to make adjustments ct or ce. Sukuna has the highest ce in the verse so bv help modify his techniques without giving up much. It’s everyone else that has to make a major sacrifice. Hakari and todo ct both got stronger when they lost an arm. Nanami had his overtime. Gojo has the six eyes so he doesn’t need to use them like that. Kenjaku said if you break one with yourself you only lose what’s gained. I doubt the bv will have a dramatic effect on sukuna unless he loses way more ce.
Because people for some reason make JJK more complicated than it actually is. Though I think the combination of leaks and bad translations only make it worse.
I don’t think the issue is necessarily that BV are being used a ton by Sukuna. It’s just whenever we ask “what’s being given up” the answer is “stuff. What “stuff?” As Gege clarifies it becomes less and less of an issue but it’s understandable that people are sitting there going “wait, this feels weirdly written”
I will say I DO have issue with how basically none of the man cast make more use of BV. We’ve been shown you can give up pretty much anything so in a “win or die” battle against Sukuna it doesn’t really make sense that the main cast in the one month planning process didn’t go “alright, why don’t we hash out some potential BV we can utilize?”
Main issue here none main cast even try BV to counterattack sukuna (except todo)
Binding Vows are just straight ripped from HxH which has akways been the number 1 make shit up on the fly manga. Yeah they will explain the rules, it will be fleshed out, epic even. But having a new power explained in words as the fight is happening without the proper setup always makes that kind of writing feel ass pully. I think that writing style is always lazy. Netero vs Meruem is cool but it's completely filled with explanations for things just introduces and even the ending of the fight is some improvised nuke you've never heard of. It works for me as much as giving me backstory after a character has died and wasn't in the story much.
Gojo was never used as a weapon. This is because weapons are used by others. Gojo could not be used by anyone else in the world. He was too strong, so he could impose his will on others if he so pleased. This weapon theory only came about by Gojo copers after 261, because they want to whine.
Ive been one of the few that actually defends binding vows, because prior to this Sukuna vs 20 fight, they made all the sense in the world. But at the same time, Sukuna is using and abusing binding vows like Gojo bends infinity.
We need to fully understand Binding Vows and the power structure behind Jujutsu Sorcery first before we can say anything. But you cant really deny people when they say Gege is pulling things out of his ass for narrative purposes, because we dont know anything about Binding Vows.
But to play devils advocate, *we don't know a thing about Binding Vows!* Some big UA-camrs have compared JJK's power structure to HxH's and Nen, and have gone off HxH rules for JJK, which just doesnt work. They are similar, but JJK is unique and the story works amazingly when you dont read it with another story in mind to preconceive your notions.
So basically, chill. Everyone needs to chill and just enjoy the story. Just because you dont *like* the story, doesn't mean that the story isn't making sense. 😤
I have a theory about Binding vows. So the question of them boils down to who are they made with? Some god being or some force of the universe. My theory is its neither. The JJK story has heavy connotations to the soul, so i think that maybe the binding vows are made within the soul of the person making them and if they're broken that damages the soul and therefore would harm the physical body. For example. A senario could occur of may have already where sukuna makes a binding vow to increase the power of his slashes for a certain time limit which after he can only use his slashes at a limited power (lets say 50% just because its a nice round number) for a certain amount of time. If after the time limit of the increased output this binding vow is broken, sukunas soul would be damaged leading to physical harm to himself. In the case of binding vows with others it would work the same. The binding vows are made in the soul of both/all participants and after this, if the vow is broken, serious damage would be done to the soul leading to possible terminal harm coming to the persons (who broke the vow) physical body. Once again this is just a theory (A MANGA THEORY), not sure if its original or not but think its cool either way and would love to hear what you think about it
Renbobson thank you so much for the generous donation! I like your theory and I talk about it in my latest video here: ua-cam.com/video/7h5J6uFEmaM/v-deo.html
Before watching video. Opinion. No. It actually just gives an aspect of karmic or cosmic bureaucracy to the usual anime trope of "my emotions make me strong", "if I´m giving it my all and still losing I just need to try harder and unlock hidden power". Here at least we know there are concious sacrifices and relative wins. Sure we´d like to know what binding vows made Sukuna´s shrine look like something yunji ito masturbates to. But as a narrative device they are a tool, one that has been shown to only work if you have the mettle, the power and a strong will. For example. No way Yuji can just copy Yuta´s technique due to a binding vow, nor is a vow made by Miwa as strong as Sukuna´s. I think manganimist even said so in one video. You need to actually have what you´re willing to sacrifice and it at least needs to be annoying to work. Are they underdeveloped when it comes to the known Jujutsu Theory? yes.
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I don’t think binding vows are a cop. I can understand why it looks that way as of late but we are watching the strongest character use them. Most characters didn’t use a binding vows mid combat the way sukuna can and more like a buff before a fight (kashimo using CT only for sukuna or yuta’s 5 min timer), Probably because it’s to difficult for most to find an equivalent exchange. But it further shows sukuna’s battle iq in my opinion rather than a cop out. (Sorry for yapping)😂
I do think Gege has started to use them A LOT. I do like the voes before, now tho, from the domain and the fire arrow, do feel a bit weard, but then agein it is fair, it is sukuna. People saying he has not lost anything when he litraly savrefised TWO eyes, yes he has two left, but for a normale person they would be blind.
I mean if you're going to say binding vows are plot armor and say it's Gege glazing Sukuna. Then please also agree with Sukuna's whole existence being plot armor for Yuji and the binding vow they made together. Let's not forget Yuta's binding vow with the higher-ups to kill Yuji. Plus the binding vow he and Rika made during JJK0. The only type of plot-armor Sukuna had in the series was his acting skills to convince Hana it was Megumi after getting absolutely decimated by Jacob's Ladder.
Its more like if u compare most cast they dont have anything to lose to gain from
Whereas sukuna.... he abuses system out of those loopholes... thats what makes him a genius as the strongest sorcerer, hence why ppl are calling it a cop out
The answer is yes. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. All shows have tropes and plot armor and cop outs. As long as they don't ruin the story, who cares? It makes the stuff we want to see happen
At first I viewed them as cheap/contrary to JJK's thematic but then realized it was quite genius. Sukuna being a hyped character with an extensive history should obviously have a more nuanced and extensive knowledge on Jujutsu. I thought of imposing a binding vow to one's self as cowardice or a hinderance that a person with ego would never impose, but its basically just retooling a kit for the sake of adaptation. They've definitely warmed their way into my heart.
Only for people with the reading comprehension curse
Even Hakari used binding vows. Its not a cop out if anyone but Sukuna uses it 😂
I'm just annoyed at Sukuna's uses. With him,we don't really see the consequences of the vows as much as with other vows. Like when Gojo traded his Domain's size in exchange for more power,we can see what is being given up and what is being gained. Also Yuta's 5 minute timer. These feel better than Sukuna's binding vows where we don't really see what he's losing,so it's not as entertaining.
Gojo is extreme high manipulate barrier no BV
no