I appreciate your point of view. After doing meditation they way many do it I got bored and repelled and then eventually discovered to just be present in the moment and I get so much more out of this. Being all of me as I am. I am already enough as I am.
Formal meditation ( seated ) with eyes closed isn’t necessarily escaping. I practiced vipassana which is totally not about escaping , is about being with your body, being with your sensations. Being with your natural breath. This can bring forth an absorption and replenishment that is quite different to mindfully being in the present moment , like driving my car mindfully .. dont get me wrong being mindful when I wash my dishes and throughout my day is the way forward , but sitting in silence going into one’s inner being is not the same quality as going about your day mindfully. Good luck ! 🙏
I share the same experience as you when I did Mahasi noting on retreat. I am learning recently though that the daily life practice is so vital for laypeople like myself.
I have never understood why people find the matter of 'why meditate' troublesome. I guess that's a gap in my mind! For me, I have never found anything more interesting than meditation; and it improves my life, so I just keep going every day.
Your pointing is so simple, compassionate and profoundly relaxing. That must be what it means by surrender. I found myself sobbing in relief after listening to you. Thank you 🙏🏼
Just sit and rest in beeing .. let it be as it is. Actually This is the master way and eventually after years of teqniques You just drop all of it and just sit. Absolutly right ❤ thank you Jeff for pointing This out . After 20 years of This Im exactly there . Yes exhausting indeed
Buddha's teaching is so simple. Its not about striving towards something or setting goals. You already are at your destination, you meditate to become aware of it and trust that whatever happens, happens. There is no learning process. I accept im at the bottom of the mountain but im making snow angels here. I give whatever is over to him and use any resistance as a window to self acceptance but from a calm non judgemental mind. Therefore we can accept ourselves as we really are.
Thank you so much. I kind of knew this, but I still needed this eye opener. I actually started crying. You are right. I've been escaping, and what have I been trying to escape? Presence is all, being is all. That's it.
That is called acceptance. Surrender to what is. If you can do that there is peace. The mind is still, silent. All other spiritual practices, when done properly, like meditation, witnessing, too can give peace. That is after all the real purpose of the practices. Peace, stillness, silence of the mind. What else?
This is wonderful, thank you. Over the last couple of weeks there's been a big shift in the way I approach the healing journey (specifically healing from chronic pain, which is really healing from trauma/emotional repression as I'm finding). I realised during the bells at new years that healing is really about loving every part of yourself. I don't find myself battling against my pain nearly as much as before. I'm listening to it and it's expressing long-lost parts of myself that have just wanted to be seen and heard. What a beautiful thing
Every movement of the mind in its seeking is whats Keeping you from the Realisation of Truth.. The Divine irony is though that we all Start with the seeking..Its a step in the process where the end and the beginning are one in the same...the practices and mental efforts play themselves out to the point of a surrender that is Not another creation of mind ....It is the Grace or Kiss of the Divine that comes when the mind is no more...In that Instant ,That which was Always there yet veiled, becomes apparant in the absense of the little self.
Mindblown because just days ago I came to the same realisation - all this while I've been seeking teaching after teaching to escape the boredom, when boredom is exactly what I've been training myself for with years of meditation. It's hard to drop the habit of seeking, but I think I might try looking at it as mental nourishment instead of a life buoy. On mediating wrongly - today as I sat in meditation, a vivid imagery from my primary school days flashed through my mind. Nothing extraordinary, but so vibrant. I cried with, I guess...gratitude, or awe, when I realised I was as fully awake to life back then, as I am now after a decade of spiritual practice; I was fully awake even throughout my teens and young adulthood when I thought I was a trainwreck. The difference though, I think, is I now have a conscious awareness of these experiences - I've always known how to reside in those states, I just was never aware. So I don't think we've been meditating wrong, or even embarking on the wrong spiritual path, because we'd never come to these insights and conclusions otherwise.... Then again, who knows?!
Good job Jeff, expressing the Ineffable. The Upanishads make numerous references to meditation for a reason: Formal meditation is generally the fastest route to becoming present on a moment-by-moment basis in your waking life.
Definitely agree. After sitting 2 10 day Vipassana courses and upping my daily formal seated meditation, i can definitely confirm that I’m more present moment to moment. I still have to keep bringing myself back but that’s the practice! 🙏
sadguru said I'm high all the time. osho said life is so much better when you are high on life. sounds crazy but for me this is the goal I don't care about being enlightened or anything. but having goal is already wrong way to look at it. if i am already high and happy then i don't see it so we meditate to see the truth not to achieve or get there
Some have that shattering moment you describe, where the deep struggle against the present moment and everything it contains (i.e., every thing) is known, instantly and permanently, as the mirage it always has been. Others of us know this to be true, but haven't had that in-extremis moment (from exhaustion, illness, etc.) that annihilates concepts so completely that they leave the body, as you describe. "The fight" has so many tentacles, largely hidden, that we need meditation to break the habit, even if for just a few moments, of fighting.
That is exactly the case. My late husband believed it. He always told me to never pray and beg. Cause all you do is asking the iniverse for more trouble.
All of no consequence..process of emptying the pot the pot empties itself, and when the moment arrives you have absolutely no say in anything awakening happens of its on volition. With social media the chattering noise has reached a new level.....Silence.
What's wrong with suffering, fear sorrow ect? It hurts! So what your saying is stay with the feeling and be present with it instead of running, help me out somebody please.
Ask the emotion coming up what do you want me to know? Why am I feeling this in this moment talk yourself through it like you would talk to a friend who is experiencing fear of pain what am I attached to here? What am I fearing will happen? And then also know that the emotion is not you it’s something you are experiencing
This worlds real. But it also has a dreamlike quality. Remember, only a little while ago,you were little,sitting in your mom or dads lap. Often it seems that a few decades have passed in a single second. Whatever we are experiencing here,wether joy or sorrow,has a dreamlike illusive impermanent quality to it. And everyone's response is different to suffering or elation, a certain individual will not find suffering bothersome whereas another may find it unbearable
this dividing mind has the extraordinary capacity to create in the material world so we apply this mindset to manipulate the world of emotions , feelings , thoughts in the same way by different techniques .
@@rosemoon8072 if everything is anexpression of the Divine..even the so-called "wrong" is anexpression of the Divine: all is the Divine, including the "wrong", pure paradox
Meditation as a concept can point at very different things depending on one’s the state of consciousness. Meditation in its purest form is the non path to what is (younness?), the unchanging perfectly still substratum of anything that seemngly changes all the time, but that in fact, ultimately never does ;)
Lets go a bit further. There is no time past present or future. What there is is geometry and interactions with the energy of space this is our universe. Our physical bodies are made from the same geometry as nature. This geometry is divine in that it is golden ratio based or fibonacci sequence based which is going towards Phi or the golden ratio. The golden ratio represents the most efficient use of energy. Our physical interaction with our body geometry and the energy of space is what we call meditation. That is the signal of our geometric energy signature and it's the same for everyone because we share the same kind of geometry. The characteristics of that geometry signal with a living energetic geometric being is a feeling of bliss and awareness. But in everyday life the signal gets mixed with noise and a successful meditation is to separate the signal from the noise. This is why we sit in a meditation posture and try to be quite, by that we are trying to tune in the the signal of our body geometry interacting with space. You can lessen the noise, that's one way OR you can amplify the signal above the noise. The first way is what everyone tries to do in meditation mostly. To amplify the signal one has to study sacred geometry. This is called the above ideas "The Golden Understanding." it's a way of approaching the divine through the creation.
You are saying something beautiful and I know it though my spirit. However my mind doesn't understand all this phi, Fibonacci, geometry what have you. Not even a bit, I just know it's beautiful. For the purpose of the mind to understand. You can also speak to us like babies.
Super..Very true....what is the whole point of having a Divine, if it does not include your imperfections. At that point the Divine is broken. As it excluded your imperfections. Hence you are seeking something that is not complete...which will make you incomplete too. The 7.19 Gita talks abt this.( Everything is nothing but GOD....the one who realizes this is very rare)
I think even meditating wrong doesn't create more fear I think it's just deepening in self-knowledge. It brings up more revelations from the psyche hence more perfect Self-realization.
I think calling other meditation techniques 'wrong' .. is rather unhelpful ....where Jeff is NOW is all a result and culmination of all the previous paths he explored ... not IN SPITE of them . SO to look back and say what you were previously doing was 'wrong' is not the truth ... when you were 'trying to perfect yourself' .. it was just part of your journey ... so perfectly 'right' at that time. And who knows where you are now may not also be the final answer .. just another stop on the journey ? addiction, seeking, resistance, the pursuit of enlightenment are all part of your personal process, so none of it can be 'wrong' .. but through those experinces you begin to know what you can let go of and what brings true presence.
One thing I never understood here. As opposed to something that focuses on “spiritual perfection” and eradicating all attachments (Buddhism, Falun Dafa, etc.) how does this deter one from going a fully hedonistic path? Like “if nothing matters” or “it’s perfect right now.” Do you see what I mean?
Hey Jeff, love your take here but I'm curious of your view on indian saints (and many others) whom discovered that this physical reality is illusory and could in a sense, pop in and out of the terrestrial plane. Are you speaking moreso to the "laymen" or to such beings as well? Isn't the point to become the Buddha? Become the Christ? (I'm speaking alchemically, of course)
@@sallyarterton2702 it's easier said than done. Often it may take 1000s of incarnations to drive that point home.do you remember how many times u have bin reincarnating?
Whenever a guru talks about themselves a lot instead of Wisdom, spiritual ego is obvious. Further the term "Addiction" is a medical trap to make one believe they are not in control of their choice. Until 20th century, the term was "Habit" not addiction. Wisdom does not use medical terms based on fear, lies, disease, conditions, all the same.
But if I understand of what you have said is that if everything is an expression of the divine then how come there are addiction or addictive behavior? And how can we have the motivation to stop our additive behaviors, for example like smoking, when our mind will make an excuse for it by saying that “oh, this behavior is also the expression of the divine”? 😂
Dear Andrzej. We meditate to be what we are, always and without exclusions. Keep in love with life, keep in love with yourself, even when pain or disease appear. At the same time, as much as possible, take the necessary steps to recover peace and health.
You are doing meditation wrong. Check my method of non duality three piece fatality. I found that instead of 2 there is not one but three. Help with exhaustion and for boredom
I appreciate your point of view. After doing meditation they way many do it I got bored and repelled and then eventually discovered to just be present in the moment and I get so much more out of this. Being all of me as I am. I am already enough as I am.
Formal meditation ( seated ) with eyes closed isn’t necessarily escaping.
I practiced vipassana which is totally not about escaping , is about being with your body, being with your sensations. Being with your natural breath. This can bring forth an absorption and replenishment that is quite different to mindfully being in the present moment , like driving my car mindfully .. dont get me wrong being mindful when I wash my dishes and throughout my day is the way forward , but sitting in silence going into one’s inner being is not the same quality as going about your day mindfully. Good luck ! 🙏
I share the same experience as you when I did Mahasi noting on retreat. I am learning recently though that the daily life practice is so vital for laypeople like myself.
I have never understood why people find the matter of 'why meditate' troublesome. I guess that's a gap in my mind! For me, I have never found anything more interesting than meditation; and it improves my life, so I just keep going every day.
Your pointing is so simple, compassionate and profoundly relaxing. That must be what it means by surrender. I found myself sobbing in relief after listening to you. Thank you 🙏🏼
Just sit and rest in beeing .. let it be as it is. Actually This is the master way and eventually after years of teqniques You just drop all of it and just sit. Absolutly right ❤ thank you Jeff for pointing This out . After 20 years of This Im exactly there . Yes exhausting indeed
❤ yes!! Meditation can become another thing to achieve used to “get us “somewhere, but we’re already here❤
Buddha's teaching is so simple. Its not about striving towards something or setting goals. You already are at your destination, you meditate to become aware of it and trust that whatever happens, happens. There is no learning process. I accept im at the bottom of the mountain but im making snow angels here. I give whatever is over to him and use any resistance as a window to self acceptance but from a calm non judgemental mind. Therefore we can accept ourselves as we really are.
when you accept the way you are nothing is bothering anymore .
Thank you so much. I kind of knew this, but I still needed this eye opener. I actually started crying. You are right. I've been escaping, and what have I been trying to escape? Presence is all, being is all. That's it.
That is called acceptance. Surrender to what is. If you can do that there is peace. The mind is still, silent.
All other spiritual practices, when done properly, like meditation, witnessing, too can give peace. That is after all the real purpose of the practices. Peace, stillness, silence of the mind. What else?
Wow.
Caught this video by chance right when I needed it. Funny how that happens.
Perfectly put, important pointings here.
Thank you Jeff. Love you.
This is wonderful, thank you. Over the last couple of weeks there's been a big shift in the way I approach the healing journey (specifically healing from chronic pain, which is really healing from trauma/emotional repression as I'm finding).
I realised during the bells at new years that healing is really about loving every part of yourself. I don't find myself battling against my pain nearly as much as before. I'm listening to it and it's expressing long-lost parts of myself that have just wanted to be seen and heard. What a beautiful thing
You cant become something you allready are💚
Just be you. All of you 💞
Exactly the same story here. I needed this. All I've been doing is to escape not to be.... Thank you 🌟
Every movement of the mind in its seeking is whats Keeping you from the Realisation of Truth..
The Divine irony is though that we all Start with the seeking..Its a step in the process where the end and the beginning are one in the same...the practices and mental efforts play themselves out to the point of a surrender that is Not another creation of mind ....It is the Grace or Kiss of the Divine that comes when the mind is no more...In that Instant ,That which was Always there yet veiled, becomes apparant in the absense of the little self.
Wow, I'm speechless. So I'll just say 'Thank you'.
Mindblown because just days ago I came to the same realisation - all this while I've been seeking teaching after teaching to escape the boredom, when boredom is exactly what I've been training myself for with years of meditation. It's hard to drop the habit of seeking, but I think I might try looking at it as mental nourishment instead of a life buoy.
On mediating wrongly - today as I sat in meditation, a vivid imagery from my primary school days flashed through my mind. Nothing extraordinary, but so vibrant. I cried with, I guess...gratitude, or awe, when I realised I was as fully awake to life back then, as I am now after a decade of spiritual practice; I was fully awake even throughout my teens and young adulthood when I thought I was a trainwreck. The difference though, I think, is I now have a conscious awareness of these experiences - I've always known how to reside in those states, I just was never aware. So I don't think we've been meditating wrong, or even embarking on the wrong spiritual path, because we'd never come to these insights and conclusions otherwise....
Then again, who knows?!
Good job Jeff, expressing the Ineffable. The Upanishads make numerous references to meditation for a reason:
Formal meditation is generally the fastest route to becoming present on a moment-by-moment basis in your waking life.
Definitely agree. After sitting 2 10 day Vipassana courses and upping my daily formal seated meditation, i can definitely confirm that I’m more present moment to moment. I still have to keep bringing myself back but that’s the practice! 🙏
Extremely valuable. Thank you.
Thank you, Jeff
Thank you so much Jeff. You are such a blessing to the world ❤
Yes, yes ....sense finally.
sadguru said I'm high all the time.
osho said life is so much better when you are high on life.
sounds crazy but for me this is the goal I don't care about being enlightened or anything.
but having goal is already wrong way to look at it. if i am already high and happy then i don't see it
so we meditate to see the truth not to achieve or get there
What's wrong with fear and pain? Everything ❤
Excellent. I do resonate with what Jeff speaks.
meditation is who we are, not something we can do
I love Alan Watts! As a fellow Advaitin...I prize YOU! Not two. Great stuff. As someone who overidentifies, addiction and such...you have helped me!
Some have that shattering moment you describe, where the deep struggle against the present moment and everything it contains (i.e., every thing) is known, instantly and permanently, as the mirage it always has been. Others of us know this to be true, but haven't had that in-extremis moment (from exhaustion, illness, etc.) that annihilates concepts so completely that they leave the body, as you describe. "The fight" has so many tentacles, largely hidden, that we need meditation to break the habit, even if for just a few moments, of fighting.
Beautiful, thank you! 🙏
That is exactly the case. My late husband believed it. He always told me to never pray and beg. Cause all you do is asking the iniverse for more trouble.
Love this so much ❤
LOVE! thank you!
All of no consequence..process of emptying the pot the pot empties itself, and when the moment arrives you have absolutely no say in anything awakening happens of its on volition. With social media the chattering noise has reached a new level.....Silence.
Watta retort. Good. Agree. The best thing I read today
Expression can be a form of silence too :)
except you ? you are allowed to be part of the chatter ...
This vídeo made me remember UG Krisnamurti teaching (not Jiddu Krisnamurti). Thank for sharing wisdow.
Thank you for sharing this. Blessings to you.
Love this! Thank you again Jeff!❤️
I could very much relate to your words 😊❤️
Thank you Jeff💗
Thank God!! Was just debating this today with my "self". 🩷
What's wrong with suffering, fear sorrow ect? It hurts! So what your saying is stay with the feeling and be present with it instead of running, help me out somebody please.
Ask the emotion coming up what do you want me to know? Why am I feeling this in this moment talk yourself through it like you would talk to a friend who is experiencing fear of pain what am I attached to here? What am I fearing will happen? And then also know that the emotion is not you it’s something you are experiencing
This worlds real. But it also has a dreamlike quality. Remember, only a little while ago,you were little,sitting in your mom or dads lap. Often it seems that a few decades have passed in a single second. Whatever we are experiencing here,wether joy or sorrow,has a dreamlike illusive impermanent quality to it. And everyone's response is different to suffering or elation, a certain individual will not find suffering bothersome whereas another may find it unbearable
this dividing mind has the extraordinary capacity to create in the material world so we apply this mindset to manipulate the world of emotions , feelings , thoughts in the same way by different techniques .
radically inclusive, so: your meditating 'wrong' your entire life is an expression of the Divine...
really ? to me it means excluding some aspects of our journey as 'wrong', which is not true ?
interesting though
@@rosemoon8072 if everything is anexpression of the Divine..even the so-called "wrong" is anexpression of the Divine: all is the Divine, including the "wrong", pure paradox
Tocaste mí corazón!! Gracias
I love that 💕💕 Thank you
Meditation as a concept can point at very different things depending on one’s the state of consciousness. Meditation in its purest form is the non path to what is (younness?), the unchanging perfectly still substratum of anything that seemngly changes all the time, but that in fact, ultimately never does ;)
Lets go a bit further. There is no time past present or future. What there is is geometry and interactions with the energy of space this is our universe. Our physical bodies are made from the same geometry as nature. This geometry is divine in that it is golden ratio based or fibonacci sequence based which is going towards Phi or the golden ratio. The golden ratio represents the most efficient use of energy. Our physical interaction with our body geometry and the energy of space is what we call meditation. That is the signal of our geometric energy signature and it's the same for everyone because we share the same kind of geometry. The characteristics of that geometry signal with a living energetic geometric being is a feeling of bliss and awareness. But in everyday life the signal gets mixed with noise and a successful meditation is to separate the signal from the noise. This is why we sit in a meditation posture and try to be quite, by that we are trying to tune in the the signal of our body geometry interacting with space. You can lessen the noise, that's one way OR you can amplify the signal above the noise. The first way is what everyone tries to do in meditation mostly. To amplify the signal one has to study sacred geometry. This is called the above ideas "The Golden Understanding." it's a way of approaching the divine through the creation.
Great observations
You are saying something beautiful and I know it though my spirit. However my mind doesn't understand all this phi, Fibonacci, geometry what have you. Not even a bit, I just know it's beautiful.
For the purpose of the mind to understand. You can also speak to us like babies.
YES!!!! 🙏💛⭐
0:41 in my innocence, I was trying to get somewhere. Exactly!
TKY
The truth is that DEATH follows man like a shadow. We should never forget that death is more powerful than us.
Super..Very true....what is the whole point of having a Divine, if it does not include your imperfections. At that point the Divine is broken. As it excluded your imperfections. Hence you are seeking something that is not complete...which will make you incomplete too.
The 7.19 Gita talks abt this.( Everything is nothing but GOD....the one who realizes this is very rare)
You made me feel proud.(me indian)
I love the phrase; GOD means 'nothing and noone is excluded'
@@rosemoon8072 one has to believe in something
I think even meditating wrong doesn't create more fear I think it's just deepening in self-knowledge. It brings up more revelations from the psyche hence more perfect Self-realization.
I think calling other meditation techniques 'wrong' .. is rather unhelpful ....where Jeff is NOW is all a result and culmination of all the previous paths he explored ... not IN SPITE of them . SO to look back and say what you were previously doing was 'wrong' is not the truth ... when you were 'trying to perfect yourself' .. it was just part of your journey ... so perfectly 'right' at that time. And who knows where you are now may not also be the final answer .. just another stop on the journey ? addiction, seeking, resistance, the pursuit of enlightenment are all part of your personal process, so none of it can be 'wrong' .. but through those experinces you begin to know what you can let go of and what brings true presence.
True, and I think that way more than not people give up or don't even start due to "longing or achieving enlightenment".
Grinning.
7:34 this qualifies you as a new Knight of the Round Table.
One thing I never understood here. As opposed to something that focuses on “spiritual perfection” and eradicating all attachments (Buddhism, Falun Dafa, etc.) how does this deter one from going a fully hedonistic path? Like “if nothing matters” or “it’s perfect right now.” Do you see what I mean?
Hey Jeff, love your take here but I'm curious of your view on indian saints (and many others) whom discovered that this physical reality is illusory and could in a sense, pop in and out of the terrestrial plane. Are you speaking moreso to the "laymen" or to such beings as well?
Isn't the point to become the Buddha?
Become the Christ? (I'm speaking alchemically, of course)
You already are The Buddha. It’s just that you need to recognise this 🙏
@@sallyarterton2702 What did you do to recognize this?
@@JDSabreadvaita and tantra
@@sallyarterton2702 it's easier said than done. Often it may take 1000s of incarnations to drive that point home.do you remember how many times u have bin reincarnating?
Ice Beats
Whenever a guru talks about themselves a lot instead of Wisdom, spiritual ego is obvious. Further the term "Addiction" is a medical trap to make one believe they are not in control of their choice. Until 20th century, the term was "Habit" not addiction. Wisdom does not use medical terms based on fear, lies, disease, conditions, all the same.
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surely themselves in this case isnt narcissism but simply using ones own being-ness as the learning journey?
@@rosemoon8072 keep thinking that
Do you still practice anything?
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Turing action of 'letting go...' into acceptance. Letting go mantra is problematic.
acceptance makes it seem like it is something we need to do. letting go is saying there is nothing we need to do
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But if I understand of what you have said is that if everything is an expression of the divine then how come there are addiction or addictive behavior?
And how can we have the motivation to stop our additive behaviors, for example like smoking, when our mind will make an excuse for it by saying that “oh, this behavior is also the expression of the divine”? 😂
You a superman. Easy
Do we meditate to fall in love with pain or to fall in love with disease for example Lyme disease too ? Really?
Dear Andrzej. We meditate to be what we are, always and without exclusions. Keep in love with life, keep in love with yourself, even when pain or disease appear. At the same time, as much as possible, take the necessary steps to recover peace and health.
Eternity isn't at some point in the future. Eternity is right _now_.
Eternity is total stability and lack of motion
what's wrong? simple it's insupportable
resonate
You are doing meditation wrong. Check my method of non duality three piece fatality. I found that instead of 2 there is not one but three. Help with exhaustion and for boredom
Alert stillness,
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