Dreams Come From Dragons: Balerion & Daenys the Dreamer - Song of Ice and Fire - House of the Dragon
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We recently learned that Daenys the Dreamer claimed Balerion the same day she dreamt of the Doom of Valyria! Did Balerion SEND Daenys the dream, and do all dragon dreams in fact come from dragons?
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Last time I was this early the first men were just men
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Banger
Last time i was this late, I showed up like 3 days after Tywin
Last time I was this early the old gods were the new gods!
Oh it's Sunday morning, so I guess it IS time to praise Garth. 🙏
Daenys is such a mysterious and fascinating character! I love listening to all of the ASoIaF UA-camrs theorize the implications of Daenys being Balerion's first rider!!
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The Disputed Lands has a good video about Daenys, her mother and The Doom!
I 💜Disputed Lands too
I waited for this 🎉🎉🎉
*All the other Targaryen dragons meeting Balerion in the afterlife*
Balerion: "I was gone for 5 goddamn minutes."
My cats send me dreams about waking up and feeding them. They're pretty accurate
Hey! I get those dreams from my cats too!!😂
As a warg my direwolves send me telepathic visions of belly rubbies and ear scwatchies
This happens to me all the time! I can be astral traveling the 7 Kingdoms, but when Chauncy catches wild prey he alerts me by appearing in dreams saying, “Fancy Feast, or I’m bringing in this snake I killed just for you!!😊”
Dave, you’ve got Rhaegar’s wig slayed! Looks good!
I like this, it kind of gives credit to Show Viserys being obsessed with Valyria, because he bonded Balerion for a hot second and Balerion wanted to go back
ooo that makes sense too
I've been insisting to my friends for YEARS that the dragons are smarter than we give them credit for and have their own plans. I LOVE THE SMELL OF VINDICATION IN THE MORNING
That’s not a new concept at all lol your friends were just hard headed
I was JUST thinking about making a meme about dragondreams. Balerion seems to always foresee big events like the Doom and the others while Dreamfyre is just constantly on the phone with Helaena at this point. "Helaena the rats! The Ratking Helaena! Lookout for the Rats! The Ratking burned his family, he will burn yours too Helaena! Your bother is trying to kill your other brother Helaena! You won't believe the gossip here in the Dragonpit! Tomorrow you will slip on a banana peel!!"
Dreamfyre as an incoherent loopy dreaming dragon just sent me 🤣
@@DavidLightbringer Dreamfyre needs to cut back and stop smoking it up everytime poor Haelena needs a nap.
@@Midgert89lmao. Even Dreamfyre praises Garth!!
@@JomnasJomnani Daenys the Dragonmemer
@DavidLightbringer ,what do you think George ment when he said, (paraphrasing here) the birthing of the Dragons has something to do with the men or the male linearage of House Targaryen/ Dane/ Valerion.
First time I was this early, Alys Rivers was just a baby barn owl.
@@miguelitomarques8 the owls are not what they seem
@@ThommyofThenn:
It's funny you should make that reference, because the scenes with Daemon at Harrenhal have definitely had a distinctively Lynchian feel to them at times.
@@hoon_sol Glad fans of that are here too. It feels a bit too direct to not be a nod!
I can’t begin to profess how much it makes my heart happy how much you give credit to all the theorists and idea slingers. It makes this channel so authentic. I know I’m gonna hear the best from all the minds!
Thank you David and friends.
@@westcoastweird455 it's always been important but even moreso today with how easily dismissed things like citation and credits can be
So interesting to me that Halaena claimed Dreamfyre. Really makes you think how they bonded.
this art of Daenys the Dreamer looks gorgeous
Possibly one of the best fanarts in the fandom
I now officially think that if they ever bring this story to the screen, they should get Chloe grace moretz to play Daenys.
I’m absolutely living for the Rhaena focus in this analysis. She is kind of like the connection between Daenys and Daenerys in my mind and I think it’s a shame there’s so little talk of her and dreamfyre when they have so much thematic importance! I kind of think Daenys may be the ancestor spirit in dreamfyre. She’s like a foil to balerion in some ways.
I'm gonna make a whole ass Rhaena video in the off-season don't you worry
A couple of days ago I was speculating about why Drogon, Rhaegal and Viserion looked like Dreamfyre (and someone else pointed me that Drogon was said to be The Black Dread reborn) and I thought "well the three dragon eggs stolen by Elisa Farman were from a clutch of Dreamfyre AND probably Balerion" and now I am realizing that those two dragons are both related to dragon dreams (I mean DREAMfyre has it in her name).
Poor Dany got the dragons with the crazydreams gene pool, but maybe that's how it had to be....
Also, this video also made me think that even Aerea was a dreamer or something like that, cause IIRC Rhaena was even scared that her daugther claimed and flee with that dragon, maybe she felt the same impulse or instinct that Dany felt when she entered the pyre.
All of this is very mindblowing, too much for a sunday morning haha..
Aerea having a dream is a good potential explanation for her actions yeah
love love loving everything you just said
One thing I find really interesting is that this also explains why these dreams are so hard to interpret sometimes. Maybe the dragons want their “messages” to be as clear as possible, but humans still find them confusing because the mind of a dragon sees the world and thinks in a very different way. These dreams are a gateway to the inner workings of a dragon’s mind.
I thought it was extremely interesting that Viserys (at least in the show) was so into Dragondreams but seemingly hadn't gotten an accurate (or real) one in a while. But when Balerion was still alive he had accurate visions aka when he still had a Dragon to send him some. Sadly he didn't seem to make that connection. And he also didn't tell his obviously Dragondream-having doughter about them, what an enduring mystery indeed.
@@thisguy8106I thought the dream he had where all of the dragons roared as one was when he was talking to Aemma while she was in the bath about the birth of their son?
Human sacrification to a dragon, and then one being able to bond with dragon because of the blood conection with sacrificed is crazily good theory. Fits sooo well, and is exactly the type of thing that George would write
Ned Stark were committing sacrifices without him knowing it. By killing the men who ran from the Watch.
@@sophiawilson8696that has zero to do with dragons. It would be related to the Weirwood network as far as those he has executed at the trees
And there are many other parallels with the Weirwoods and the Dragon magic. Seems that they share the same magical communication highway too!
Also Balerion was 'the size of a horse' when Daenys claimed him - which means he is a symbolic horse/(gallows)tree/weirwood tree
@@sophiawilson8696 omfg does he kill as many men as he has kids with direwolves? its been a while since i read GOT
It’s even said that the children who were sickly grew stronger and more robust once a dragon egg was placed in the cradle with them which is similar to Dany being refreshed when she has her dragon dreams.
Not to mention, the dragon riders seem more resistant than even their own Valyrian kin to disease and chronic conditions.
Dave always has the best art in his vids.
And he always clearly credits the artists with every pic, not just in a list at the end or in the vid info
Yesss! I screenshotted a few to see if I can look them to up to buy a piece. I love that he credits them.
As a people who are very likely chimeric in nature thanks to the Bloodstone Emperor's experiments, the idea of a sphinx being a divine being to the Valeryians is a stroke of genius.
The ferocity of beasts and the knowledge of man bound together by the wisdom of an exalted ancestor's soul would be the pinnacle for every well to do Valyrian dragonlord to strive for.
The sphinx is the riddle. The sphinx is the god-ancestor. The sphinx is enlightenment.
Balerion is the harbinger to the Targaryen house. He even reincarnated and helped Daenerys with her dragon dreams and gave her prophecies. He was basically the anchor. Once balerion died, the house fell
Ohhh I'm never here this early! I offer this humble comment to the Old Gods and the New.
I wonder if the “mad dreamers” who thought burning would turn them into dragons actually represented that in death their souls would merge into future dragons. The sacrifice would mirror the og sacrifices made to bond dragons in the first place. Some of the bloodline are meant to be dragon riders, some to become dragons themselves. 👀
Damn this comment is excellent
This makes so much sense. Daenys confirms it in my eyes. Just because the dragons don't *talk* to humans doesn't mean they have *no means* of direct communication
When I got here, the video had zero views.
To please the algo-gods, I streamed this from three separate YT accounts on three separate devices.
What dark Freehold magic is this
@@ThommyofThenn My sorcery of Starry Wisdom is for the priests and priestesses only, ser.
This is the Way
@@anorangetabbyPriestess of Starry Wisdom is part of my Discord tag, but I have absolutely zero qualifications to handle such magic.
Dark algorithmic blood magik..noice!
Also Draconet is a mouthful, call it Hotmail.
Septons, Wyrms, and Wyverns: A True Telling of the Adventures of the Half-Maesters of Essos.
It sounds like a three people walked into a bar joke
I'm so early that the Great Empire of the Dawn is still kicking
I really love your ideas and the way you communicate them. It’s also fantastic that you give other content creators their flowers. You’re amazing! Thank you for a phenomenal video!
The dragons remember. Do you?
Kind of seems like male dragon dreamers are prone to madness.... Which also makes me theorize it wasn't Aegon the Conqueror doing any dreaming but one or both of his sisters, though my money is on Visenya. Perhaps I've just been watching too much Wheel of Time lately though hahahahaha
Yea too much wheel of time
it’s a dragon party
hey there ❤
@@dunkwm000 come here often?
The moving Hightower intros are so much cooler than static 2d artwork.
In Tolkien's lore all dragons have basically 2 spirits. Glaurun's (Father of Dragons) eyes "glow with Morgoth spirit", since hi used to infuse all his works and creations with it, to make them mor powerfull. In the end, that kind of makes him luse his "grace" and become lass ancelical than the other Ainur... Very Valyrian vibes, right?
I agree with the dragon dream theory!! You are spot on. I wish they would use Helena more in the show and somehow every day viewers could come to this conclusion as well.
BTW I love the artwork that you show in your videos! These artists are amazing and it’s so cool you are able to use them in your storytelling. Oh and you are hilarious. I love your humor!!
Does anyone else think the dragon lords with swords in Dany's dream are previous Azor Ahais communicating with her. Kinda like Deku and previous one for all users
the art!!! the eyes convey so many emotions at once. ertac KILLED IT!! and this theory is sick🔥🔥 i love it
25:21 so we see this sacrifice in episode 6 of HotD, where sir Darklin (I probably wrotehia name wrong) is, essentially, sacrificed to Seasmoke, so then Seasmoke can go and seek his destined rider... Maybe, this sacrifice is what freed him from the bond with his previous rider, Laenor... He doesn't need to be all alone anymore...
Which mean Laenor is alive and having lots of booze and gay sex in Essos XD
Septons, wyrms, and wyverns is definitely a sequel we need.
Reading rhaegar looks more like Viewing Viserys.
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I really missed those kind of videos from you. Be good Lucifer
I will just kind of put all my thoughts in this comments. I'm very lazy when it comes to writing in English, but I have noticed some little things, especially about the dragon's lore, and I don't take any part in fandom discussions, but I don't think anyone has ever said that the wyverns in Sothoryos are the pterodactyls. In Tolkien's lore the fell beasts are very similar to those dinosaurs, and they have BEAKS, one of the things that makes there species very NOT dragons.
I think the wyverns in George's story could be a reference to the Fell Beasts.
dragon timeeeeeee baby
My dragon gave me a prophetic dream that you’d be wearing your red square specs today. (I followed your instructions and clicked when I noticed when you published this so UA-cam knows what we already know…you’re fantastic!) 🎉
thank you so much Michel! what's your dragon's name, he's on point
Also I was thinking why wouldn’t the dragons warn the other dragon lore families of the doom but then I like that.. that’s the point? I don’t know if dragon dreams are a targ only thing but this explains why others weren’t prewarned aka it was the point.
Also GRRM in his recent blog said a lot of the works of Septon B are correct and it’s his writings which suggest the theory that fire mages were assassinated
So, is it possible that the "Targ madness" is a result of twisted dreams from dead and/or unborn dragons?
YESSS! David! David! David! David is the champion David is the champion!
If house targaryen were abolitionist and had tried to unite the seven kingdoms and rule it by themselves, the valyrian freehold would have almost certainly intervened to stop it. That necessitates the doom.
If true however, the Targaryens clearly forgot their abolitionist roots by Viserys I time, going by HOTD. The focus on uniting the seven kingdoms clearly took priority, given how nostalgia for old valyria was prominent in their views from that point on.
Well, we have Aegon I to thank for that, his priority #1 was preparing Westeros for Zombies On Ice.
The art!!! So good! What an excellent video David! My favorite content always involves Dragons and Dreamers.
I always thought that part of preparing an egg for hatching was a sacrifice. The dragon keepers knew this and took care of it without bothering the Targaryens. Once the keepers all died in the ahem…incident…, no one knew it required a death to prep the eggs.
This makes me wonder if the first Targaryen ancestor who was sacrificed to create a dragon bond was a sorcerer/seer. Could explain why Daenys and the Targaryens were warned of the Doom of Valyria and not all the other dragonlords.
Dragon dreams had Targs think they were the Lisan Al Gaib
14:40 we got another clue to this in HotD I think, we're told Rhaena (Daemon's daughter) attempted to claim a dragon on dragonstone but was rejected. Could be because she already has a bond with the unhatched Morning
37:45 I've been saying for a little while now, I think all three of those examples specifically saw visions of Dany's dragons hatching. All three scenarios have the three big things in common: lots of fire, a sacrifice of kings blood, and dragon eggs. And just a few days ago when I reread Dany's dream of Drogon hatching, HOH BOY does it sounds like what Aerys tried to do to King's Landing
intersting notion!
It’s been said that some Targaryens have been dreamers but according to this theory it can be that some dragons are dream senders instead. And what’s interesting is when we look at all the dragonriders who were dreamers, they were either the rider of Balerion, Dreamfyre or Drogon. Dreamfyre could be coming from Balerion and it’s been said that Dany’s eggs were Dreamfyre’s but stolen. So maybe it’s only that dragon lineage who sends the dreams or just the stronger
There were a few dreamers in the Dunk and Egg series as well. This was after the death of the dragons.
@@alex52043 Yes, I know. But Dreamfyre was an highly fertile dragon as I know and she was in the dragon pit longer than Syrax or any other known fertile dragons, so maybe the dragon eggs which brought dreams to Targaryens post-civil war are still her eggs. Not that I strongly defend, just an idea
damn im early
Let’s goooo 💪
thank you Girl Nettles
Going to watch the whole video
where did the video about dragon combat go?
HBO copyright struck it, but i am going to try to reupload it after the season. :(
@@DavidLightbringer oh no. I was saving it to watch on the weekend. Hope it gets back up again.
FANTASTIC VID DAVID!! Here are a few thoughts this sparked in me, if fire made flesh give dragon dreams, does ice made flesh give "other dreams"? Are their multiple "heads" in an Other (despite them looking like twins/clones)? Can we think about the expelled hivemind of the others in a similar fashion to the draconet? Could the others be sending dreams to Stark "blood of the other" people?
Additionally, is each Valyrian family's draconet isolated? What happens to a draconet after the family dies/no new sacrifices given? Do the draconets need a physical place to reside (e.g. volcanos instead of weirwoods)? Can we glean/postulate anything about this or forgotten/abandoned weirwoodnets/hiveminds in Essos?
I do think the others have prophecies / future sight. the Tower of joy scene implies they are watching for Jons birth
I think this might be one of my favorite videos from you, it’s so well done and it encompasses like 10 theories in one, it’s beautiful😍 Cleo’s dancing and singing really does wonders!😂 Great job on this, as always, and I’m certain this will join the list of the ‘videos to rewatch’ when I need the fix on asoiaf theories🙌🏼💕
I heard that Dreamfyre is somehow her egg comes from Balerion the Black Dread since both dragons give riders dreams 😊 ps this is a theory I stumbled on but I am not originator of it. I believe that Balerion was a male dragon is the father of Dreamfyre but the theory goes that he laid the egg that the later would come from.
Yaaay been waiting for another one of your vids. No one else compares, I’m sorry!! 🎉 🐉
I love the idea of actual dragons lairing an advanced psychic dragon culture from Stygai, and Ashai doesn't fully know, so the secret remains.
When you put it like that, it's like distant future hell Pern.
Even her mask in the artwork looks lizardy
The art looks so good!
Your theories are always so fascinating and well done! Would love a full breakdown of Yi Ti at some point; you’ve touched on it but a video solely devoted to it would help the gap between seasons (and books) so much! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Watch me update this eight times but to start: at 3:39 I LOVE this theory - that the “ancestor spirits” inside the dragons have access to the astral plane and thus are unmoored in the river of time and can see past and present? No wonder they’re sending dreams - it’d be like trying to shout through soundproofing that the house is on fire.
There's probably a link between dragons and R'hollor, what with the whole visions and 'fire made flesh' thing. Makes me wonder how that'd play out re: the Valyrian gods - like, if your personal WMDs are connected to a *different* god entirely, how would your *actual* gods take that?
I was convinced as soon as you started talking about Dreamfyre. They say she's a "notorious egg layer," which resonates a little too well with Rhaena's egg hatching methodology. In this theory, some Valyrian ancestor spirit in Dreamfyre is bent on hatching more dragons, but might have realized in Helaena's time that all the dragons are well and truly boned, instead sending her warnings of the horrors to come.
I thought in the Tapestry opening, the man standing behind the woman with the sword and the bowl, was Azor Ahai making Lightbringer, by plunging it through Nyssa Nyssa's heart.
Yes! And can easily be Sacrificing his wife to hatch a dragon egg! Because it's not so clear that he's literally making a sword in that image! I think it's a clue
I have a lot to write here, I hope it actually posts this time. Please, bare with me. Just watched this video a third time and I think it lends more credence to your "spirit-stuffing/ancestor-sacrifice-to-a-dragon" theory, beyond what you talked about. Seance seers and Mediums say they communicate messages they get from spirits of the dead around them, to the living still here, about things and events shared only they would know, as well as what may be. They have cast off this limited physical anchor and are now free to explore the mysteries of all the universe and probably beyond. I've always believed when I die, He would reveal Himself to me and all the questions I never got answers for would be explained. Only death would open this gateway of enlightenment except for a minuscule, slight few who many skeptics call crazy. With this sacrificial soul-bond in a dragon, within a particular family or clan of people, for whom the sacrificed member held great love and caring, it potentially opens The Beyond to all those people and ancestors for generations. Dragons also seem to have a decent affinity for psychic or empathic telepathy on some level. They know or learn the minds of their riders at the time which is why two exact same dragons can fly amiably together with one pair of riders but outright duel each other to death with two very different riders later on. So the dragons become the Mediums of that house and the spirits stay with each and the offspring because spirits are eternal. And maybe more passing dead join the first ones after they die. Since humans aren't particularly telepathic or psychic a method must be determined and during sleep the subconscious mind comes to the fore and dragon/spirit minds tap into that wavelength. More than mere words can be expressed. It's like a 5G pipeline their ancestors can impart knowledge through.
Call me crazy....
It's said rhaegar would often go off to summerhall alone ?
Did anyone ever recover the 7 dragon eggs from that location?
Was he protecting them or looking for them? Were they giving him dreams ?
Even if out of those eggs if even 1 remained with all the time rhaegar probably spent at summerhall even if he never found it, it still could've given him dreams if he was in the vicinity enough?
Dany says a Dragon is not a slave.
The valyrians enslaved their dragons the same as they enslaved people. They bound them against their will using the dragon horns.
The Targs moved to Westeross and what did they do? They freed their slaves and allowed the dragons to choose their rider.
They helped this along by the idea of placing eggs in the cradles of their children, but as we are seeing in HotD, the Dragons choose their rider, whether we talk about Aemond and Vhaegar, or Adam and Seasmoke, the dragons choose their rider, because they are not slaves.
I think the Dragons chose the Targs to survive, because they could be convinced to abandon slavery and find a new way forward, for both dragons and humans alike. Meanwhile the Valyrians as a whole saw nothing but things to subjugate and developed cruel sorcery to make it happen.
The dragonbinder horn makes a dragon a slave.
Glimbus and Shwifty love your theories they had you in their thoughts in their latest Pictionary-theory video thingy.
What a huge one! Thanks for this video, Mr David Lightbringer person! You're making HOTD / ASOIAF really enjoyable for me and I'm always glad to see new uploads from the channel! ♥
This would mean that it would cement the theory that Dany’s dragons are the ones stolen by Elisa Farman. Because if they were any other clutch Dany would probably struggle to bond with them due to them having the wrong ancestors inside them.
Imo summerhal was a succes. It was a large enough blood sacrife to make rhealla childeren abel to hatch dragons. Or reawaken the dragon eggs with all the targaryen dead family menbers spirits inside of them. Aerys en rheagar where both driven mad by it. And dany was the first one able to handle it.
Do you think it's possible that before Daenerys dies fighting in the Long Night (it hurts but it's likely) that she will free her remaining dragons from the dragon bond? Since "a dragon is not a slave" maybe the dragonbond is a sort of slavery or servitude to the Valyrians that the dragons will need to be liberated of so that Dany finishes undoing the acts of her ancestors. I envision her dying with her remaining dragons all around her and her last words being "be free, my child". I don’t know how likely this theory is but I like it, I heard it from Hallowed Harpy in TikTok, she has made many theories about the dragons, specifically Viserion and how she believes Viserion is actually a female dragon who will carry on Dany's legacy after her death.
27:45 DragonDiscord and DirewolfDiscord channels.
29:50 HUGE SPOILER BIOWARE
The Archdemons (dragon gods) used to be the Elven pantheon, who in turn used to be Elven shapestealer-kings.
Okay, did not expect to hear Kansas, tho.. - Robby Steinhardt's fabulous ginger locks are only the 17th most epic part of that music vid 🧡🤘
Oh.
Brightroar.
Bright Roar. Like a volcanic eruption.
Ohhhhh...
I really like that sunday is just full of all kinds of HOTD and ASOIAF videos. Sunday is the day of Ice and Fire. Love your vids david.
Bonding with a dragon enhances the health of the user - I'm not as all in on the lore but wasn't there a sickly Targ that suddenly became more robust post bonding? Perhaps dragon bonding enhances the rider in more ways including magically - allowing Daenys to untap her potential as a dreamer
King Aenys yes, he was 7 when he bonded with Quicksilver and it made a big difference
@@DavidLightbringerdo you think it’s also the other way around, if their dragon dies after bonding they become more likely to being sickly or actually dying slowly, kind like viserys I and Aegon III, I know book Viserys never mentioned to being sick like Aegon III, but that is something book Aegon III and show Viserys share now
There’s probably a few on Driftmark as well.
I see David Lightbringer, I click! Awesome video as usual.
lets gooooooo 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Okay so what time stamp 29:41, you make an awesome point that the dragons were their gods that kind of gives new meaning to the old gods and the new huh maybe the old gods are the original five dragons and the new gods are all the offspring that we're seeing now, thoughts?
YES!!!
Let’s Hear it DLB
lmao, Balerion is just the Ned Stark of the Targaryens 💀💀💀
Dragonlords of ancient asshai was the video that got me into your channel, a true banger..this one is a banger also, new theories always rolling in, gotta love it!
Gotta let them plants/dragons sleep lol
Jon has the dreams from the egg in the crypt, right?
that's what I think yeah
Jon the fiddler is a Targaryen bastard who is named Daemon Blackfyre II. The first Daemon Blackfyre is a Targaryen bastard in love with his sister Daenerys Targaryen. Aemond the dragon knight is Jon's favorite hero who was in love with his sister Naerys. Aemond and Naerys sounds like Daemon and Daenerys. Jon's name is Daemon maybe? Thoughts?
Got my Ceraxe-Ohs shirt in the mail yesterday! It’s really cute, which is an aesthetic you don’t see much with art related to fantasy. It is the only thing I’ve purchased related to ASOIAF that aren’t books or an HBO subscription. Can’t wait to show of my new dragon drip!
yeah!! I need to order mine :)
@@amapan81 ayyyeee!!! Dragon drip!!
Dragons and SOAD together, I am happy
To help with the Aenar theory I feel Aegon helping halt a potential Valyrian revival before conquering Westeros may help bridge a dragon dream gap.
‘The sphinx is the riddle not the riddler” has always bothered me… until now
Hey, David. I mostly listen while working, so don't get to comment much. I listen to all kinds of ASoIaF creators now, but you were the one who originally captured my attention. Just wanted to say thanks! Appreciate your vids.
Do you think it's possible that when the Mountain shoved Sandor's face into the fire causing his burn that some kind of blood magic occurred unknowingly by them that cause them to have such extraordinary lives, and Dunderion saying "The lord of light isn't finished with you yet Clageing." Also it took fire to kill them both.
Also the Doom could of been one big blood magic spell to help defeat the long night, just spit balling ideas that are coming to me as I watch this great video.