WHY VIETNAM? What The Government Showed Us In 1966. Was It Convincing?

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  • @cleokey
    @cleokey 9 місяців тому +67

    I was there late 60's for 2 tours, Army Rangers 75th, killed a lot of people, lost a lot of buddies, for what? To fuel the military complex, the same thing Eisenhower warned about during his presidency.

    • @SnakeBitesApe
      @SnakeBitesApe 9 місяців тому +3

      It was part of your life journey, man. Every bad ass needs a back story 🫡 🇺🇸

    • @Newton-Reuther
      @Newton-Reuther 9 місяців тому +5

      Yeah, I'll never understand people who conflate the individual members of the US military with military industrial complex. Most Vietnam veterans I've met recognize it was a product of Eisenhower's concerns.

    • @carlosgaspar8447
      @carlosgaspar8447 9 місяців тому +2

      vietnam is still one of the few communist countries, like north korea. but an estimated 1.5M vietnamese died in that conflict.

    • @777bigbird
      @777bigbird 9 місяців тому +2

      My Dad did 2 tours also .Army 9th maintenance. 7th combat . 67-69

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      @@carlosgaspar8447 Wait only 1.5 million? Are you sure?

  • @JPriz416
    @JPriz416 9 місяців тому +37

    Even thou we went to Vietnam on a lie, I'm glad I spent two years there. I met a wonderful people. I forged many friendships and will never forget them.

    • @peterfrank1572
      @peterfrank1572 9 місяців тому +1

      And you helped butchered many women and children, don't leave that part out!

    • @SnakeBitesApe
      @SnakeBitesApe 9 місяців тому +6

      Thank you for your service, OG. Your country appreciates you 🫡 🇺🇸

    • @leonisilva5571
      @leonisilva5571 9 місяців тому +2

      Congratulations. The Free World has a debt with you brave men who fought and even died for Liberty. I admire America and I´m very grateful to this great Country. Thank you a lot. God Bless and Protect America for ever.

    • @JPriz416
      @JPriz416 9 місяців тому +2

      @@leonisilva5571 The fight America has today are people from within who want to destroy are freedom. I'm up there in age but if i get one chance to do something to stop them I'll go for it. I've lost to many friends in Vietnam to let these people have their way. Thanks for your kind words and may peace be with you.

    • @drewpall2598
      @drewpall2598 9 місяців тому

      @@JPriz416 Thanks, you for your service and sacrifice during the Vietnam conflict and welcome home Sir, I dedicate these two songs from SSgt Barry Sadler 1966 record album "Ballad of the Green Beret." to each and every one of our Vietnam Vets. 🙏
      "I'm a Lucky One"
      SSgt Barry Sadler
      I'm going home my tour is done.
      I'm going home I'm a lucky one.
      But I left friends behind me.
      who won't come home no more.
      Yes many friends remain forever.
      On that bloody shore.
      But at night when I sleep I know my dreams will be.
      About my friends I left across the sea.
      I'll hear verbal young men harn laugh again out loud.
      We'll all be together in a happy crowd.
      But then I hear the sound of bullets whining overhead.
      Feel the crash of morters and all my firends are dead.
      My friends they fought and gave their all.
      My friends they died for freedoms call.
      As my dream is ending they'll come and say goodbye.
      Though I'm sound asleep a tear I'll cry
      And they say something which fills my heart with pain.
      Tell them about us Sadler don't let us die in vain.
      I'm going home my tour is done.
      I'm going home I'm a lucky one
      "Salute to the Nurses"
      SSgt Barry Sadler
      After the battle after the fight
      many owe their lives to the ladies and men in white
      And all of the men in this war torn land
      salute the nurses of Vietnam
      They know the awful toll of war each day
      they know more than any the price we pay
      A soldier his hands too burned to write
      a nurse takes down his words through the lonely night
      They have gone to the front where men fought
      in the night from Pleiku to Qui Nhon
      where war these men fight
      Many a wounded soldier pain is eased for a while
      by opening his eyes to see a nurses smile
      To each of the wounded on the operating shelf
      these nurses give a part of themselves
      I know every soldier to the last man will
      sometimes say a prayer for the nurses of Vietnam
      After the battle after the fight
      many owe their lives to the ladies and men in white
      And all of the men in this war torn land
      salute the nurses of Vietnam

  • @elchicano187
    @elchicano187 9 місяців тому +15

    Thank you for sharing love these historical videos 👌🏼

  • @BillySBC
    @BillySBC 9 місяців тому +15

    There should be a Constitutional Amendment which states that if a President or any member of Congress would like to engage in a war or armed conflict of any kind, their military service age children must be the first to be drafted and they must be placed in an actual fighting unit on the front lines. I'm sure if this were the law we would have far less Korea's and Vietnam's and Persian Gulf wars.

    • @dezirae1619
      @dezirae1619 9 місяців тому

      Your 'logic' is not logic...

    • @MedoryK
      @MedoryK 9 місяців тому +7

      @@dezirae1619Concepts such as "leading by example", "eating your own dogfood", "putting your own skin in the game" are long recognized logical principles known to sort out con-artists... If anything, it doesn't go far enough. We should be including mega-donors in their myriad forms, as well as their children. They should indeed go first, before any "volunteer" forces. Yes, I understand it's a complex thing, but after a 20 year conflict in the middle east, the average US citizen is done with foreign conflicts.

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      @@MedoryK This isolationism breeds instability abroad as we now see.

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      That would be highly unconstitutional.

    • @MedoryK
      @MedoryK 8 місяців тому

      @@johnnotrealname8168 Constitution is made to be modified!

  • @matthewfarmer2520
    @matthewfarmer2520 9 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for sharing this about Why Vietnam. So much to talk about the government involvement of the Vietnam war with president Johnson. 📸👍

  • @SebastianJArt
    @SebastianJArt 9 місяців тому +18

    What a brainwash.

  • @drewpall2598
    @drewpall2598 9 місяців тому +4

    Film clips like this one serves as a reminder of the mistakes made in the 1960's over the handling of our Vietnam policy at the time. Our government official at the time commented young guys to a war before the nation was commented sadly our returning Vietnam Vets took the blunt of the ager felt by many of the folks back here in America over the handling of our Vietnam policy.
    No matter what situation our politicians and government officials get our country into in the future we must never disrespect those who answer the call of duty when called upon as what happen to our Vietnam Vets.

  • @RedDex-ct8dh
    @RedDex-ct8dh 3 місяці тому

    I saw "Why Vietnam?" on t.v. in either 1966 or '67 as an 11- or 12-year-old kid with my then-36- or 37-year-old father and he wasn't convinced then and I am not convinced now and have never been convinced.
    In fact, my old man wasn't convinced that LBJ and McNamara were convinced that South Vietnam was worth tens of thousands of American lives and that the whole Vietnam War was worth fighting by American troops. He said it was all a hell of a waste of lives, money, and resources and he was right!

  • @tamarrajames3590
    @tamarrajames3590 9 місяців тому +5

    I remember this, and yeah…it didn’t convince me then, and still doesn’t. The parallels he drew were not accurate, neither were they honest. A lot of us knew this was a way to line the pockets of the military industrial complex, and wasn’t posing a threat to America, which had helped to destabilize the politics of that country. Vigilance is always needed.🖤🇨🇦

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      Why bother with the Vietnamese fighting communism, communism would never affect us. WoW! What logic.

  • @bradr2142
    @bradr2142 9 місяців тому +1

    As usual David love the quality of your work. Ive study Vietnam war for long time. Thank you for sharing your viedos with us. What a time to learn.

  • @briansmith2163
    @briansmith2163 9 місяців тому +1

    Mr. Hoffman. This was a great year for documentaries. I hope you have seen these. I liked "Beyond Utopia", but there are incredibly diverse doc styles this year. I would love to get your thoughts on them as we approach awards season. Your insights are always concise, thoughtful and amazing. Best to you, David. Thanks.

  • @KathysTube
    @KathysTube 9 місяців тому +5

    It didn't sound like a good reason to me then, and I haven't changed my mind... thanks David 😎👍

  • @Weaseltube
    @Weaseltube 9 місяців тому +2

    It’s so easy now to see how America got embroiled in Vietnam, given the very similar scenario playing out in Ukraine.
    I can see the merits of intervening now, that I never understood for decades of my life.
    It’s easy to blame everything on the war machine, and that certainly doesn’t help. But the more honest explanation is far more complex and nuanced. It’s about standing up for what we believe in - that being self determination, stated by the much overused ‘freedom’ tag - by supporting those who share our belief.
    I do believe self-determination is key to providing the greatest opportunity for widespread human happiness.
    The challenge then, is how do we justify the use of force to impose a system of free choice? Simply, we can’t.
    It can not be imposed, but it can be offered and supported by force, if necessary. And I think that’s where the Vietnam war went wrong.
    America’s ability to deliver a successful outcome was misjudged. And human egos being what they are, once the evidence of failure started to appear, the US only dug in harder and increased its force to try and prove themselves correct.
    I fear there is some element of misjudgement involved in our support for Ukraine right now too. The rabid, feral, careless ferociousness of Russian tacticts against the very people they claim will be better off under their rule is astonishing and powerfully effective at eroding popular will to oppose their invasion. We don’t really seem to have any countermeasure to those kinds of attacks.
    An honest and humble reassessment of the rules for assisting a struggle such as this, needs to be made quickly.
    1- Are the targets of our assistance helping themselves? That one is an easy Yes.
    2- Do we agree with their objectives? Also clealry Yes
    3- Do we have the ability to provide meaningful assistance? Absolutely
    4- Is there a realistic probability of achieving our desired outcome? Ehhhh....?!? Possibly, but likely requiress absolute commitment
    5- Does a specific, realistic, and viable strategy exist that would see our assistance come to a timely end? Not really, no.
    Vietnam probably failed at points 3, 4, and 5. Lets not repeat that misjudgement, please.

  • @lauriekutcher4825
    @lauriekutcher4825 9 місяців тому +14

    Why Vietnam? Well there was money to be made. Who cares about the human cost.

    • @SnakeBitesApe
      @SnakeBitesApe 9 місяців тому +1

      It’s the same thing today. Look at what happened in Afghanistan after we pulled out. There was never any progress because the entire thing is a money laundering scheme, designed to go on forever as passive income for the elites.

    • @sixstringhans-tone5574
      @sixstringhans-tone5574 9 місяців тому

      Absolutely, their making money selling organs. All the bankers are making tons of money too! Totally sad!

  • @peterfrank1572
    @peterfrank1572 9 місяців тому +13

    After all this we're watching what's happening in Gaza TODAY and doing NOTHING about it! It's like nothing has changed.

    • @tyleronearth
      @tyleronearth 9 місяців тому +3

      I’m confused. What are you proposing? That we send our troops to fight that war? I

    • @JR-zm2yu
      @JR-zm2yu 9 місяців тому +2

      Turn off m s m...

    • @JasmineLajeunesse
      @JasmineLajeunesse 9 місяців тому +2

      What do you propose to do?

    • @paullucas8721
      @paullucas8721 9 місяців тому

      There's a special place in hell for Johnson. A crude, drunken backstabber, without a shred of morality in his lust for power.

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      The eternal lefty: Why are we sending our boys to fight against tyrants? Waaa!
      The eternal lefty: How dare we stand idly by and not send our boys to fight against tyrants! Waaa!
      Please, make it stop!

  • @charlesmckinley29
    @charlesmckinley29 9 місяців тому +1

    Thank you David

  • @sixstringhans-tone5574
    @sixstringhans-tone5574 9 місяців тому +2

    Just think about the other horrible stuff that come out of war like buying and selling organs an crazy stuff like that isn’t talked about very often. Sad……

  • @theentheosdetinagas
    @theentheosdetinagas 9 місяців тому +13

    "A Nation which honors its commitment and a people committed to our honor." To a person in that time it inveigled, persuaded, and reassured and to someone who is alive today... the propaganda is immaculent 🤌.

  • @georgezink8256
    @georgezink8256 9 місяців тому +3

    And military industrial complex got us into this war

    • @magiccarpetrider4594
      @magiccarpetrider4594 9 місяців тому

      The CIA and Johnson. One reason why they killed Kennedy.

  • @cheri238
    @cheri238 9 місяців тому +4

    "The world will never have lasting peace as men reserve for war the finest human qualities.
    Peace, no less than war, requires idealism and self-sacrifice and rightest and dynamic faith."
    John Foster Dulles
    Wasn't he Calvinitst?
    American CIA officer for how long?When was the CIA created, and what was the name before it became that?
    American history and world histories are important. History often lies with penmanship of the corruption of powers of greed. Therefore, one must search for truth by those of wisdom and intelligence by men and women who stand with courage and commitment over centuries.
    Do American presidents lie? Why, of course, they do. If only President Kennedy had not been murdered, the world today may have been a better place for all the world.
    Remembering Ghandi, Macolm X, Dr. Martha Luther KingJr, for they were murdered.
    Nelson Mandella, we thank you.
    Quote: Peace is a daily, a weekly, gradually changing opinions, slowly eroding old barriers, quietly building new structures. And however undramatic the pursuit of peace, the pursuit must go on.
    President John F. Kennedy
    🙏❤️🌎🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵

    • @lequelle2580
      @lequelle2580 9 місяців тому

      Why thank Mandela? A terrorist if ever there was one; who preferred to travel around the world to receive accolades, rather than fix his country?
      You could see how other world leaders looked uncomfortable when receiving Mandela YEARS after the elections in 1995. I’m sure they wanted to say to him: “Isn’t your victory tour over now, mate? You surely have a job to do?”
      But no, Mandela loved his jet setting and the accolades too much, because a leader he was not. Rather, simply a media invention by the West. A hollow man..

  • @vincentnguyen777
    @vincentnguyen777 9 місяців тому +3

    War profiteers are going straight to hell.

    • @erinmac4750
      @erinmac4750 9 місяців тому +1

      To be joined by most politicians, lawyers, and private equity firm profiteers....

  • @globe2555
    @globe2555 9 місяців тому +4

    I know not with what weapons World War lll will be fought but World War lV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein.

    • @Apebek
      @Apebek 9 місяців тому

      He is wrong. They won't blow up the world. They just want you to live in fear.

  • @Leslie19661
    @Leslie19661 9 місяців тому

    I remember watching on the tv as a kid. They showed a lot of terrible things going on. So sad just to think back to that. The 60’s& 70’s was a great memory but not WAR !

  • @JR-zm2yu
    @JR-zm2yu 9 місяців тому +2

    I wonder how much of the age ndas of those who purposely sow division amongst people across the world were responsible for this war and others...?🤔💜🙏

  • @haeuptlingaberja4927
    @haeuptlingaberja4927 9 місяців тому +8

    The most inexplicable thing to me about the America's illegal, immoral, undeclared war on Vietnam is the fact that almost no one in the public eye has either then or since ever talked about America's terrible hypocrisy and betrayal of both the 1941 Atlantic Charter--our rationale for resisting Nazism and totalitarianism, as well as our vision for a postwar world free from war and exploitation by governments and powerful corporations--and our solemn and quite specific WWII promises to our wartime Pacific allies as to their postwar future.
    It was supposed to be a guaranteed sovereignty and independence, regardless of what form of government they might choose.
    The fact is that the minute that WWII finally ended, America immediately began to help the Brits, the Dutch and even the cowardly fookin' French to regain their prewar colonies in the Pacific. This is when America really lost its moral authority. And then we started overthrowing democratically elected governments the world over and then installing corporate-friendly, utterly ruthless dictators. How is it even possible that almost no Americans alive today have any idea at all about the history that I have just outlined?! How are we not too savage and stupid to survive?

    • @erinmac4750
      @erinmac4750 9 місяців тому

      Actually more than a few of us are aware of this, however, you stated it better than I could. Not to mention, there's also the fact that assorted colonies, including Vietnam--Hi Chi Minh, made appeals at the treaty negotiations in Versailles at the end of WWl, and were dismissed.
      Yes. It is quite amazing that we haven't yet paid the price for our "leadership's" greed and stupidity. Unfortunately, 2024 is still young....

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      You think the Americans were willing to allow communism for any country? Especially a South-Vietnam that most definitely did not want communism?

  • @richiemarshall2755
    @richiemarshall2755 9 місяців тому +2

    Thing's ain't changed much but biger Gov. Bigger fire power Bigger lies innocent peaple dieing on both sides to make rich men richer o ya and for peace don't forget the peace

  • @RadicalforGod
    @RadicalforGod 9 місяців тому +1

    If you “insist that the people of South Vietnam shall have the right of choice, the right to shape their own destiny in pre elections in the south throughout all vietnam under international supervision and they shall not have any gov imposed upon them by force and terror so as long as we can prevent it. Nor will we bluster, bully or flaunt our power” then why are you over there invading their lands? Also stop doing this to other indigenous nations.

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      What? The U.S. did not invade South-Vietnam. What other countries?

  • @buildurtruckurway9118
    @buildurtruckurway9118 9 місяців тому

    Vietnam is one of the few countries that did benefit from going communist. Its not working so well now but it truly opened there country and started a real economy.

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      It did not. The country stagnated. It only recovered by allying with the Americans and liberalising their economy. Also you miss out the Cambodians and Laotians.

  • @georgezink8256
    @georgezink8256 9 місяців тому +4

    This is a propaganda film

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  9 місяців тому +5

      For sure. Not like I say in the description.
      David Hoffman Filmmaker

  • @willi1397
    @willi1397 8 місяців тому +1

    Makes more sense to me than Iraq and Afghanistan. Clearly Communism was a powerful competitor to western dominance and I wonder if the Vietnam war did indeed have an impact in limiting its spread and influence.

    • @johnnotrealname8168
      @johnnotrealname8168 8 місяців тому

      I believe it did. Now maybe the anti-War lot would write that domino theory failed but the neighbouring nations did fall and uhh we saw what happened in Cambodia.

  • @georgezink8256
    @georgezink8256 9 місяців тому

    They were going to send us to prison for cutting down rubber trees

  • @1337flite
    @1337flite 9 місяців тому +2

    The most effective public/private partnership in the history of the world - and the most successful propaganda machine: the United States propaganda machine.

  • @operatorlaws6549
    @operatorlaws6549 9 місяців тому +2

    I would’ve served in vietnam in a heartbeat. I would’ve joined the marine corps.

    • @kathleenferguson3296
      @kathleenferguson3296 9 місяців тому

      You're stupid. Do you know what the death rate was for untrained kids of 18 against a centuries old trained guerrilla army in their own back yard?

    • @neilisagum
      @neilisagum 9 місяців тому +5

      So would I, but only if I got to be the No.1 top gun and also the head Navy Seal, and as well as that I'd want to be known as John Rambo, and every time I'm in action I'd also want either a full orchestra or 60's rock band playing in the background.

    • @operatorlaws6549
      @operatorlaws6549 9 місяців тому +2

      No, that's clearly not the point I was making. I'm not here to glorify combat, however given the circumstances of the nation during those turbulent years, I would've served in a heart beat. I can almost guarentee you've never had any combat experience or even been in the service for that matter.@@neilisagum

    • @magiccarpetrider4594
      @magiccarpetrider4594 9 місяців тому

      For what point?

    • @neilisagum
      @neilisagum 9 місяців тому

      @@operatorlaws6549 Can you guarentee that, well hand over your money and swear out loud, I've got 2 medals , 2 tours and all the photos, paperwork and momentoes to prove it , more than you've got I'm guessing.

  • @rastaisfuture8630
    @rastaisfuture8630 9 місяців тому +1

    Rastafari gave the warning.....

  • @peterm.eggers520
    @peterm.eggers520 9 місяців тому +1

    All hail the US Empire, the righteous leader of the world!

    • @Apebek
      @Apebek 9 місяців тому

      You mean greatest bully of the world

    • @peterm.eggers520
      @peterm.eggers520 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Apebek The greatest murderous corrupt plutocracy with a facade of democracy! The comment was satirical.

    • @Apebek
      @Apebek 9 місяців тому +1

      @@peterm.eggers520 Okay I didn't catch it. You never know. There are some patriots out there

  • @williamblack4097
    @williamblack4097 9 місяців тому +1

    That was a ridiculous comparison. Biden is a much older version of LBJ. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  9 місяців тому +8

      I did not make any comparison and have no idea what you are pointing out.
      David Hoffman Filmmaker

  • @gocnhinkhac5249
    @gocnhinkhac5249 8 місяців тому +1

    What do you think about the way Vietnamese communists defended their homeland from 1945 to 1990?