I'm a hair stylist and have tons of experience with conservatives and how to speak to them, the key is to learn their "language" and speak it better than them. I always hated the line "When they go low, we go high..." My saying is when they go low, I go lower. Liberals have a tendency to always play by the "rules" conservative culture is by nature hierarchal, they get comfort from being put in place or "knowing" their place
True. That's why I never hesitate to go lower AND claim I have the high ground. Because I do, and conservatives are whiny bitches. Anyway, yes I already knew this. I was a neo Nazi once, so I know how they think.
"They go low, we go high" lmfao hell no they go low, I go lower. Kill em with kindness? Funny I named my Machete kindness. 😆 I'm not going to be nice or make friends with fascist.
The reason why liberals would say that is because they're reich-wing lite. Look at the people who they vote for? Reich-wingers just took Abortion and made laws against trans people and committing genocide on us. And they just let it happen. Jo Biden the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the country. And Americans having to leave their own states as political refugees because they're snatching trans kids away. Neolibs did that, don't vote left you're in the Reich.
The way Marx just described Crowder's "Change my mind" videos is exactly the way school bullying works. The bully picks a weaker person, and then humiliates and abuses them for the amusement of bystanders. It is also abundantly clear that Crowder would only clip the videos where he wins and the ones where he loses, or where a bystander breaks the "mystique" of the bullying crowd, would not appear anywhere. Basically, like so many other things you are sharing here, the essence of conservative comedy is just using the mechanisms of bullying.
@@sammckenney8163 Nailed it! That is so true. The great debaters always talk about how much prep goes into preparing their facts and information, and those are ones debating against other people who have prepared, not ambush trolling.
Personally I think a big part of why they've latched onto the trans debate so tightly as their main talking point is because it lets them recycle a lot of old misogyny. Like the right hates women, and want women to be considered not as people but as property. But trans people say that being a man or a woman is a choice one can opt into or out of at will. And if you can just say no to gender, then you can't really argue that the harmful gender roles of "property owner" and "property" are legitimate and intrinsic. So in order to hold onto their power over women, they attack trans people. Like if you squint at a lot of their talking points, it kinda becomes clear that a lot of what they're arguing against is basically just an argument against a co-ed society where women are considered as equals. Like the argument against trans people in sports is basically just an argument against co-ed sports. And all the anti drag stuff. Just think, why do they REALLY think that wearing WOMENS CLOTHES SPECIFICALLY is this thing they should culturally condemn as hard as possible? We have little problem with women wearing men's clothes, so what's so different about femininity to these people that they would condemn it so harshly?
I’ve been saying the same thing. Modern sexism defends itself with biological essentialism. Women are like X because of their biology, that is immutable, therefore they should act like it. A major part of feminism is rejecting biological essentialism. Women can be more than mothers. Women can be more than homemakers. Women can play sports. Women can be leaders. That stuff. I cannot fathom a greater rejection of biological essentialism than “someone born a female can be a man” and vis versa. Trans people are the antithesis of sexism.
And a counter-reactionary history of humor being labeled as "under attack" for being described (pushed-often-less-vigorously-than-hypocritical-neocons-push) correctly as racist and racist adjacent.
Adam Carolla launched his podcast when I was 18 and I unwittingly fell into that rabbit hole. Thankfully I grew out of it but I can imagine how I may have continued down that path.
Loved Adam Carolla and Doctor Drew in the 90's on Love Line. Then the red flags started going up in the 00's. Then the dark times came upon us. Conservatives can be funny- Ron White of all people to this day has one of the funniest gay jokes in stand-up history, but it's buried under decades of hot garbage one-jokes.
@@zetsubanned4308 Ron White is pretty funny. I can’t stand right wingers or their politics but some of them are funny. Them again, I laugh at crazy stuff. I don’t consider the babylon bee comedy. That site is trash. Anything Elon likes is not funny generally
@@What-vo5bxRon’s comedy is funny because his stories exist outside of politics. Most of these others Carolla included have always been willing to hurt others to entertain. I’d suggest Gutless Gutfeld actually got into it for the purpose of offending.
I know a lot of guys that voted Trump because they thought he was going to be a Molotov cocktail in the system in 2016 but in 2020 they didn’t bother voting
2016 Pizzagate and Wikileaks was a massive Psy op to put Trump in the Whitehouse, billions of dollars was spent propping him up in media, not to mention all his cameos in Hollywood and the Apprentice show. Even now Dems like Biden, Pelosi and Schumer are doing everything they can to defer to the right wing, enable them, platform them. You can call it coincidence if you want. But it's clearly not Epstein worked for Trump, who trained alongside him and Roger Stone under Roy Cohn, who admitted to working for Mossad
Until you try the same crap, they do to them and then they become like those they bully with humor themselves. That's why I said before comedy is dead as the culture wars killed it. Florida censoring people online over Milton and Helene to me isn't anything new as it's not what you offend but WHOM you offend that makes actions possible.
The divide comes from a fundamental difference in values. Liberal/leftists don't find naked racism and petty grievances to be witty or really humorous. Whereas you'll see alot of that stuff in conservative comedy. It doesn't need wit or depth or complexity, it just needs to attack someone they dislike and that's enough for them. They're a whole third of the electorate, so.. yeah. There's something there for grifters to completely cash in on.
That’s exactly what’s going on. Trump, these empty comedians, Turning Point and their 2 Minutes of hate concerts, whereas in the old days these normal people were enjoying concerts, living life and enjoying relationships. Now they’ve been turned into political zombies
@@Mathenaut But... but... the only reason anyone is anti-war is because they're a Putin lover!' - Rush Limbaugh/Majority Report/John McCain... it's all the same thing at this point.
I went with my daughter to the ER one night, very late & we were stuck there for a while, & Fox was on the TV, & I saw Gutfeld's show & I was again amazed that anyone would not just watch that, but host it, fund it, promote it, etc
It makes sense they would put neocon programming/propaganda on, when money is more important than truth for power in society... then those with power side with money. It's the consumers' fault that things are the way they are really, that's really how capitalism works. If the consumers let themselves be veiled and manipulated because it makes them more comfortable to buy such kinds of things, then power will invest in getting even more power before the game is up or comes crashing around them.
"Man people that ain't like us sure are weird amirite" That's all right wing comedy in a nutshell, just make sure to punch down and throw in an attack helicopter joke and you're practically Joe Rogan 👍
The left uses comedy to process pain. The right uses it to unite those who create pain. Some years ago Chris Rock did a brilliant clip on the Confederate flag flying all over government buildings of the south. I split my sides laughing .... Rock went to Montgomery Alabama, where the flag was on the state capital building. A few years later there was a mass murder in the same church led by MLK Jr in the 60s. I tried watching Rock's clip again. I couldn't laugh 2nd time round. The pain of the mass murder was too fresh . . . .
Bryna Waldman Timothy “Speed” Levitch had a documentary called “The Cruise” from the late 1990s. It was a flamboyant, verbose and colorful view of double decker buses in NYC. He runs around in circles to make himself dizzy below the World Trade Center and jokes about them looking wobbly and practically falling down. He brought this up in a short film after 9/11 and the lighthearted fun was gone as the towers were no more. Our angry grievance culture no longer are enjoying life and seem to prefer an unhappy future, and the opposite of John Lennon’s “Imagine” being positive, it’s like they want others to join them in their misery
@@basedtruthpiller7140 Not really. You need setup to make it funny. No wonder y'all get mad when people don't laugh at your jokes, you are a "lacy" hack
Rogan has changed a lot in the past ~5 years. He’s always been “anti pc” “anti sjw” or whatever you wanna call it but he used to be mostly apolitical or at least extremely open minded and “both sided”, once he got into hunting and became obsessed with the influencer military daddies he’s actually become political and right wing. Legion of skanks I haven’t paid much attention to recently but they are or were very apolitical, just extremely offensive and “anything goes”.
$$$$ whoops, suddenly I'm REALLY REALLY into not being TAXED and having none of my very wealthy friends be taxed fairly either, and also for using military-LARP-culture weaponization against the "rabble-rousing" poor. And Click-Bait! Whoops! $$$$ ~ Rabbit-hole once-right-and-now-richer centrists in a nut shell.
The one guy from Legion of Skanks, Dave Smith, is hoping to be the 2024 Libertarian candidate for President, so that kind of makes it a political podcast even though the other two insist it isn't.
@@JoshyJosh610 omg is Dave smith getting into politics? Yuck. But yes you are correct he is very political however anytime I’ve ever heard it get brought up they just call him gay or whatever and tell him to stop. So I’m not saying you’re totally wrong but you’re not really right either. That is of course unless the show has drastically changed but I highly doubt that
Smoking with Rogan or taking Acid with him genuinely sounds awful to me, I'd be wanting to just enjoy the experience (especially when talking about Acid) and can imagine him jabbering away in my ear constantly. Sends a shiver down my spine thinking about that
Liberals punch up and self-deprecate. Conservatives punch down and haven’t been able to figure out how to self-deprecate since the blue collar comedy tour.
Comedy is a two-way street...........until it isn't with offended right wingers saying our jokes or humor not your lefties! SMH. I'm glad I never became a comedian as it's another one of those bullshit jobs now in the culture wars like video games developer and beta tester/reviewer.
The reason most "right-wing comedy" is not categorized as "comedy programming" is because almost all of it appears on platforms that are explicitly conservative. A conservative comedy like Last Man Standing on the broadcast networks is categorized as normal comedy programming, but if it were appearing on (and produced by) The Blaze TV, then it would not be. Similarly, if The Daily Show and The Colbert Report were MSNBC shows, they would have been categorized as political programming instead of comedy programming.
That show followed a comedy format. Tim Allen, like him or not, he was always a comedian first, so he knows about joke structure and building to punchlines. Conservative comedy is akin to a drug dealer that wants to rap. Just because you're this thing, doesn't mean you can do this other thing well.
Some of them have never been funny, others are just hasbeens. Roseanne for example used to be funny, but can't accept the fact that she is way past her prime( artistically speaking). Joe Rogan or Breuer on the other are just not talented at all.
I mean Rogan is kinda funny… you shouldn’t let your hatred for someone’s beliefs cloud you judgement on their art. Johnny depp is a really good actor, but as we found out, kind of shitty personally. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to see another Pirate movie if it comes out.
I don’t know what happened to Rogan. Someone definitely either pulled him aside and had a “talk” (my guess it’s that CIA mike baker guy that comes on once or twice a year) or he just palled around with rightwing A-holes until he became one. Either way, his podcast is trash since he went to spotify. It was in decline way before that but it just sucks now. It’s sad. I learned a lot from that podcast back in the day (I would’ve never tried psychedelics if it wasn’t for that podcast) and thought he was pretty funny. He’s actually a lot smarter than you’d expect. Which is why his right wing heel-turn made no sense
@@Butjuice69 Bro, bro, bro, ME AND YOU ARE KINDA FUNNY TOO!! That is not what Mixamaka Music was talking about. He was talking about "comedy specialty" in the career level. Also, Johnny Depp is a great Theatrical-PERFORMER not a believable/talented actor by any stretch of the term (other than the psychological fact that a good performance always distracts people from what would be considered unbelievable fantasy if it were critically discussed or compared to what would be expected from reality). That's probably why his Theatrical Performances often involve him being a SHADY CHARACTER. I'm going to watch Rogan's post-fear-factor bro-talk interviews, but I'm never going to consider him a "comedian" and I'm probably never going to search or be excused to his stand-ups.
@@shawnhenderson2091The only two UA-camrs that I can watch for more than twenty minutes(I, don't have a short attention span,I just prefer reading, Cody and Natalie are entertaining enough to make video essays more than one hour long).
I think the guest is oversimplifying things a bit by saying that someone on the left considers Jon Stewart to be a comedian because they agree with him (personally, I've never found him to be very funny, but I don't dispute that he is a comedian). Jon Stewart on the Daily Show was primarily doing comedy, in the sense that his goal was to entertain, he cared about whether the things he said make sense and, at the risk of just paraphrasing Some More News's episode about right-wing comedy, he made jokes that are clearly recognizable as jokes. Right-wing "comedians", by contrast, are using the trappings of comedy as a political weapon; a lot of the "jokes" they make leave one unclear what's even supposed to be funny about them, but they're received by their audience as jokes because they affirm the audience's political views.
They win the comedy war and by a large margin while you cry daily. The clip war, the meme wars. All of them. You are very disconnected from the average Joe.
Only reason I just subscribed to this channel. I don't agree with her on everything she says but I like her interview discussions. She asks great, focused, poignant questions.
Peter Cook, once referred to “those wonderful Berlin cabarets which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the outbreak of the Second World War”.
"There are a lot of liberal comics that we love like John Stewart and John Oliver.." "Yes well liberal and Leftist are different." "Well.. yes but I mean this as a category of coalition." I'm glad Nick gently pushed back on this. This doesn't need to be pointed out every single time, especially when it's beside the point. John Oliver is probably not a Leftist but he comments on systems of oppression more than Stewart does, and in a really funny way. Who cares if they identify as "Leftist," it's about the content - just like all these "apolitical" or "independently political" comedians are actually right wingers and fascists as evidenced by their content.
Because liberals who identify as leftist render the term meaningless. Liberals are determined to reform the system, leftists, whether anarchist or communist, seek to abolish the current system and rebuild something better. There's a clear distinction
I had a different response. I think conservatives purposefully confuse liberals with leftists, whereas there is actually a bright, clear dividing line between the two groups. And when you conflate the two you're serving the conservatives' purposes. The conservatives deliberately confuse the two terms because they want to frighten conservatives and ignorant independents (which, honestly, is most independents) into thinking that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are the same as Noam Chomsky who is the same as Karl Marx who is the same as Vladimir Putin. All in one bag, all scary, woo-woo-woo! In point of fact the dividing line between liberals and leftists is capitalism, and its chief symptom, wealth inequality. Liberals believe capitalism is fundamentally OK, we just need to tweak the system here and there so the poor aren't so distressingly homeless and sick and starving and enslaved. (Neoliberals are economic conservatives who think gay people and such should be allowed to be human.) Leftists are ready to drop-kick capitalism in to the past, or at the very least regulate it so hard it would hardly be recognizable as the capitalism we know in America. (Call it Social Democracy.) Saying they are all the same is extremely misleading.
@@bryna7 that's the point I was making in my comment without explicitly saying it, these liberal icons fundamentally support the status que, even the most "basic" income distribution by them would seem extreme. Talk to your friends, when marginalized communities unite, with force of arms, and that is important, change can be made.
I think “conservative humor” IS an oxymoron. I think successful comedy had always been directed at the powerful. Making fun of the powerless is simply cruelty, and I suspect that even conservatives don’t find that funny.
@@danvaccariello439 - Actually, yes. There’s not much to make fun of though. Comedians don’t make fun of Warren Buffett either because he seems like a decent person. I think most people don’t find it funny to make fun of people who lead mostly decent lives. You made a good point though, and it made me think. Comedians made a LOT of fun of Bill Clinton when Bill was EXTREMELY popular. Why? Because what he did invited jokes. I didn’t think the jokes were funny because Bill clearly had a problem (he couldn’t control his libido) and that ruined his chances of being a truly great president.
@@thetooginator153 Do you think it is fair or funny to make fun of Biden's cognitive decline? That is not in his control but I believe it should still be mocked because of the power he has.
Some "P.C. conservatives" do not find punching down funny, but often they vote with their "perceived wallet fears" more strongly than with their "P.C. normalness" desires.
Ring wing comedy can be funny only insofar as it satires the worst tendencies of the left. As a leftist I am keenly aware that we often infight and self sabotage by hyperfixating on unimportant minutiae, semantics and esoteric academic subjects. I mean just volunteer for a leftist candidate’s campaign and it’s obvious. The videos of DSA plenary meetings also come to mind, where people were admonished for “wearing aggressive scents” and told to sign instead of applause or were causing “sensory overload” due to crosstalk. It’s funny, and deserving of ridicule. But we do it to ourselves. We need to purge ourselves of narcissists who seek to derail progress in order to virtue signal or command attention in the name of mere vanity. Then not only will we have a viable political movement but the fodder for right wing comedy will dry up.
I: Having not watched those meetings, I might be missing something, but... isn' it a _good_ thing to avoid causing sensory overload to people who are prone to getting it?
But i've never seen a right wing comic commenting on that stuff. Their comedy is about on the level of punching someone in the back of the head and running away laughing.
Glad you are discussing this phenomenon. I have wondered for some time why all the comedians I previously would have described as left have become right wing sycophants. I had concluded that they are deliberately appealing to an audience to make a buck, selling out somewhat. I also think comics were particularly sensitive to culture war issues, which they resentfully perceived as unfair, unqualified censorship upon comedians.
Downloading the book... In the meantime, Some More News did a fantastic episode called something like "Right Wing Comedy Just Isn't Very Good" which goes deep on breakdowns and then even shows how /right wing comedy that actually *does* work (I think they're all from UK/Aussie perspectives)
Sorry but trying to be funny doesn't make you a comedian. And no I'm not going to call them that. We all know what comedy is. It's funny we laugh not a forced laugh but genuinely laugh. Is Dave Chappelle or Andrew dice clay a comedian? Some people may think so I don't. Robin Williams is a comedian, George Carllen is a comedian. Because they're funny. Don't ask me to take this seriously. I'm not going to fuel their hate by pretending they are funny. I'm not going to pretend I know what's so funny about what they say. People are going to hate That's unfortunately the way it is. Making a thing about about their comedy just gives it validation, saying somehow they are equivalent to us. Even when we're not saying that. But let's be real Reich-wingers can come up with crazy shit to believe. Remember they thought JFK was going to resurrect himself and be president and somehow be on their side even Theo he was a Democrat?
The whole nobility of punching up versus the cruelty of punching down is something of a myth. Here is the neat trick, you can choose someone who occupies the traditional power blocks, but then trash a vulnerability. Take RFK for example. He is white, male, and straight. All power blocks of U.S. politics. However, most people will make fun of his voice. That is a disability. So you can LOOK like you are punching up, when you are REALLY punching down. I remember Bob Dole being relentlessly being made fun of his prosthetic arm that clutched a pen. This was an arm he lost in war mind you. Newt Gingrich was often lampooned for his weighted, not his politics. The same people that will feigned disgust over trans jokes will happily laughed as J Edgar Hover, Madison Cawthorn, and Rudi Rudy Giuliani's cross dressing. That's why I take a hard pass on all that preachy stuff about responsible comedy. The left has to repair this oversensitivity toward dissent. If you disagree with just one article of their world view, then you are a purveyor of hate. The transgender issue is their new sacred cow. The right has boogiemen, and the left has fetishistic protected classes. They literally think believing in two genders is somehow a contradiction of liking or respecting the gender fluid. Yet they can freely not believe in religion, and like religious people. They can not desire the path of stay at home mothers, and still be friends with them. They are free to disavow monogamy, but still respect monogamist. They can repudiate a lifestyle of meat consumption, but not turn away friendships with those who do. If you don't bend the knee on the entirety of their creed, you must be held in suspicion.
Yeah but the author is making the main point that we shouldn't underestimate the neocon grift rabbit-holes as "not generally appealing" when actually it is appealing to naive (still developing) young white-colonial-statusQuo-culture-influenced hormonal/testy almost-grown-up boys.
I listened to Rogan for years, he definitely didn’t seem so right in the beginning, I only saw a full on red flag when he had Milo on (he had already had Sam Harris on and I had to skip those) then Shiparo came on and there was no left wing people on to balance and I ducked out (thankfully as it obviously go so much worse). I also listened to Russell Brand back on the XFM/BBC days but can’t stand him now post anti-vaccine. Having grown up with a single mom these versions of masculinity were attractive as they initially seemed to be more progressive until, I presume, they found that right wing money making machine audiences
i was a fan of Rogan's podcast years ago as well. once he turned into a douche nozzle, it was SO EASY to just stop listening to it. i immediately let it go and moved on to other podcasts. people grasp to tightly to their idols, it's really a sign of weakness
I have a Conservative friend who is in his 30's who is a really good kind person interpersonally but, anytime you criticize Trump, he will just move the goal post and point out a bunch of stuff he doesn't like about Joe Biden. I respond, "I hate Joe Biden too. We aren't talking about Joe Biden. We are talking about Trump." And as you pick apart pick apart pick apart his arguments it always boils down to: "I like Trump because it's funny when he says Sleepy Joe Biden." I am not exaggerating--- that is a quote. For people whose political opinions are purely vibes based, humor is a very effective way for them to be convinced to like a politician despite not being able to defend anything that politician does.
I mean...it's not close biden has been soo bad for the country. And it's sad ppl like you ignored that he wrote every crime bill from 1976-1994...every single one and he bragged about writing them....who got hurt the most with those bills?
Left wing comedy is about punching up, which is usually not a problem because more powerful people are by definition better able to ignore lower class people or able to defend themselves. Right wing comedy does exist, but it's tricky as it's more about punching down. Which can instantly turn into bullying, which is no longer funny. Especially if those people are already being marginalized.
Is Legion of Skanks “right wing comedy?” I haven’t heard enough of any of them to know. From what I have heard, it seemed that they had maybe more center right sensibilities, but weren’t necessarily trying to attack any current social or political issues. They are friends with the guys from Cum Town, who are friends with Chapo Trap House. It just seems like that wouldn’t be the case if LOS were really right wing comedians. They certainly aren’t Jim Breuer right wing.
This was one of the best interviews I’ve seen lately in any channel or medium. Both subjects extremely well informed and articulate about this insidious threat from the right. I think I kind of understand why my right wing relatives support Trump. It’s not that they approve of all his BS, but they just like the guy and think he’s funny. We need to understand this if we want to fight it.
My response to "But Rogan had Bernie on! He can't be a righty!" is "The Young Turks had David Duke on for an interview. Does that make them politically neutral?"
@@jjms7167 OK if that comparison didn't work with you guys, how about this: WATCH MSNBC, they agree with conservatives almost 50% of their shows are "centrist conservatives" or friendly to non-batwing conservatives. Does that make MSNBC "neutral." And why do things need to be seen simply mindedly with a manufactured consent "Binary Sports Mentality"? There is no "neutral" and politics is not linearly 1 dimensional or flatly 2 dimensional or even just 3 dimensional. Every issue is a separate and unique dimension that would not have to be necessarily tied with the others in an Us vs Them linear way or an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" flatly 2-dimensional way except for given the existence of the corrupted Wholly-Rich-Class-Owned 2-party system. 2-parties were EASY PEASY for the rich to buy off and own both.
Jimmy Dore just put out a vid how it’s important to be able to make fun of Trans people so I wrote a comment that I think burning churches & roasting Christians is funny to me. Turns out they don’t think that’s acceptable and think I should die.
Well to be fair. U said they are making fun of trans people and u are calling for burning down buildings. And then when u use the word roasting next to the word burning, it could be seen as u are calling for their murder. 2 me making fun of how someone can believe in Noah's arc is equally as funny as someone joking about chopping their dick off.
"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, that's not satire. That's bullying." --Terry Pratchett This is no expert on humor or media-literacy. He's just another scaremonger with a book to sell you whose sales-pitch is all about cynical nihilism. "Nothing matters, everybody sucks, burn it all to the ground and piss on the ashes- but not before you buy my book, now a New York Times Bestseller!"
Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, appeal to common sense, or the divine fallacy, is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.
"Right wing comedy" consists of making the same joke over and over for a decade or more, and blaming "cancel culture"/"the woke mind virus" when no one under 50 is laughing. Now if you snowflakes would stop being so triggered and go back to your safe spaces, I'm going to go ahead and identify as an attack helicopter. Let's go Brandon!
If the left world stop being such an easy target, you might see a different outcome. As an independent voter, it’s hard not to laugh at the right-wing comedy because so much of it is TRUE. 🤷🏽♀️
The principal of all comedy is pain and loss which comes at somebody's else expense. It's not funny if this does not apply. Leftists like these 2 zombies are unable to laugh at themselves and are easily upset and feel threatened whenever their pathological agenda is poked fun at.
you obviously haven't watched many liberal / left comedians or talking heads. they're always laughing at themselves. it's the conservative "comedians" who are unable to do so.
When I think of conservative "comedy" I think of the audiences for those sorts of things like that scene on Final Fantasy X with Tidus with that forced cringey laughter. Uncanny valley laughter
Most great comedy comes from a libertarian left viewpoint. One that shares moral ground with liberals and leftists, but leaves historic and current realpolitik out of the message. It’s the “I don’t see color” strain or ineffectual lib-thought. Unfortunately comics - especially successful comics - tend to become more conservative as they gain wealth and power. They still claim color blindness but they get pissed when policy seems like it may fuck with their money. See Dave Chapelle, Joe Rogan, etc…Add the fact that most comics also share the small-gov, taxation-is-theft trope of the establishment right, and you’ve got a passel of hysterically funny, well-regarded, incredibly wealthy people spouting serious toxic garbage in spaces where any pushback all will lead to an extended public mocking that EVERYBODY will see.
I can tell you exactly why the trans debate is featuring so prominently now! Sheltered Southerners, like me, didn’t know they existed until the past 10 years!! We had heard of drag queens, but until the TV show on TLC called I am Jazz, I had no idea people like her existed!! I imagine the right wing people didn’t either, and cannot fathom letting those people be accepted in society!! We are experiencing huge, cultural growing pains right now, and I worry how it’s ultimately going to land before it finally gets better!!
The reason trans people seem new is because the Nazis burned down the trans hospital & research when they were coming to power. There has been a deliberate effort to erase trans people, and it has worked. So when we see Republicans banning books and teaching about LGBT people today, we have to stop it so that the next generation doesn't have to rediscover trans people too.
@@TheMahayanist The one thing you know is the woke agenda. And yes they are very very funny. Remove your rose-tinted ideology glasses. You are part of the reason they win.
Conservative/redneck comedy used to be light-hearted and somewhat self-deprecating humor. Now it is vitriolic and mean-spirited about liberals and "others" than Muricans like them.
There used to be a kind of Edgelord humor that was still humor and where the ultimate goal was to make people laugh, but over time it shifted and I can kind of remember the shift where it stopped being about it being a joke and became more about making people angry and shifting them to the right. My reaction to gamer gate was kind of the opposite of what a lot of people did because I didn't ever buy into it and it pushed me left if anything. I was conservative to moderate when I was much younger and even then I had limits to the things I was going to be able to really get into as a black person since a lot of the stuff on that side is racism or sexism and the like. There was this invasion of "comedy" that just boiled down to calling black people gorillas or shouting women down and it became so apparent that these jokes weren't really jokes, they were just one person telling the other person that "you're in the right place, I agree with you. This is a Safe Space."
De Staat sing Kitty Kitty really hit the nail on the head "Here it is, the strategy We begin with comedy Make it feel, make it feel real Sing that simple melody"
The thing with *South Park* is that it goes after *everyone.* I would very much call myself a _South Park Republican_ because South Park tends to hit most current issues nearly perfectly.
Left or right, the more the audience is applauding talking points rather than laughing, the more you've moved away from comedy and in to just another echo in the chamber.
Right wing shows just are not funny imho. Their technique is mocking, harassing, and insults. It’s just re-treads of tired old ethnic jokes using “woke” and “Libs” in place of “Polish jokes” (for example). Don Rickles was an insult comic. Audiences reacted with mild laughter and embarrassment.
I also noticed a lot of actors/musicians/comedians who you wouldn't have guessed was Conservative or not so much began to head that way loudly after 9/11 and around the invasion of Iraq.
the comparison to the art world was way off. ppl often deny art in museums or galleries as "not art". its the most polarized art form. terrible comparison.
People love to defend Rogan but my first introduction to Shapiro, Crowder, Milo, Alex Jones, and so many other grifters was through his podcast. One of the reasons I stopped listening to him was because I noticed he'd just lap their bs up or write them off as jokesters, but became more contentious with scientists, doctors and liberals.
As someone who has performed comedy I see a difference between those who have done stand up and those who haven't and only perform online or in very controlled settings with a pliant crowd. Among older comics there is a trend of moaning about not being able to use old material, complaining that 'you can't say anything these days,' which to me is just arrogant and a way to blame the audience for failure. If you turn up to a gig your job is to entertain the audience, not piss them off, while all comics have gigs that go badly not all blame the crowd. A few of the voices mentioned in the vid would be unheard of without the promotion they get.
I don't view comedy the way you describe it as left wing politics or liberal..I think those successful comics aldis happen to be liberal not the other way round. Which makes sense coz most people aren't racist or hateful as much on the left and centre and some on the right...
I always thought the phenomenon or RW comedy really exploded after 9/11 with people like Dennis Miller and Colin Quinn made a hard turn to the right in their comedy and a lot of it was driven by islamophobia. I addition to these two there's also a lot of other SNL alumni are now hardcore right wing like Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider, Joe Piscopo, Victoria Jackson, and Jim Breuer.
@@davidspears4550 I used to watch Tough Crowd after The Daily Show way back when. It became pretty obvious his politics were right wing along with his close friends. However, I'm told he has mellowed after his heart attack.
@@modokk5673 Why don't any of you see the level of ridicule ''gender studies'', ''multiculturalism'' and other pseudo-science theories have ? Do you have eyes ? ''Wokes'' are Trojan Horse to the left.
Remember when Fox News tried to create a sketch comedy show to compete with "The Daily Show" when Jon Stewart was hosting? The content was just old Rush Limbaugh jokes reworked to be more hateful.
Is the Daily Show any good? I tried it a while ago and it felt flaccid, almost as flaccid as Colbert's political commentary became once he transitioned to late-night talk-show host. That being said, I HAVE binged all those Jordan Klepper pulse fingerings.
Gutfeld is "doing well" in the rating bc he is the only 1 doing CON$ervative, punching down, "comedy" vs Kimmel, Fallon, Colbert are all splitting the "liberal" audience.
The proper word for conservative "humor" is "sardonic," in that it is directed at the misfortune of others. Now, sardonic humor has its place, such as laughing at Trump when he gets dragged into court again and again, but in the conservative context, its primary purpose isn't as much to be funny as it is to bond conservative audiences and affirm their prejudices.
Oh, right wing comedy very much exists. They definitely release content that is ment to be viewed as and consumed as comedy. It's just not funny. Even Dave Chappelle fell off hard when he started doing the anti trans stuff and it's cause like, 90% of the time he just goes, "ew, transpeople" or, "something something transwomen are men". And pretty much every anti trans joke is a derivative of this. Lazy and unoriginal tends to be a bad mix when it comes to comedy.
He did not fall. He got cancelled by ''sjw''. It is not the same thing. He is thriving while you reee about trivial stuff while defending mega-corporations because they ''suddently'' support your pseudo-science made-up "gender-study''.
Right wing comedy often feels like a roast with the cruelist of intentions. The best and most natural comedy disects absurd aspects of life and examines their flaws. The goal is not to belittle, it's to enlighten. Conservative comedy is often centered on attacking individuals and is more about displaying power than telling creative jokes. It's like Christian rock in a way. It has the instruments and song structure of rock music, but its purpose is often to deliver propaganda that will lead to recruitment.
It’s not that leftists won’t call those right wing shows comedy, it’s that right wing comedy focuses almost exclusively on punching down and being vicious to the most marginalized, oppressed, threatened groups of people in the country. You can call it “comedy”, but that doesn’t make it funny.
Steven Colbert and Jon Stewart used to be funny. Bill maher is the last actual funny liberal… and he admits to not be a “leftist”. Political satire requires a element of truth behind it. That’s why left leaning political satire is cringy.
Since 2008 and on people have been told what not to say, what to be offended by, being labeled every slanderous title under the sun. Since 2016 we’ve been seeing people are start to reveal their disdain for PC culture and and the liberal grip on western culture
Thank you to your guest who perfectly explains what I've been trying to get into leftist's brains for a while... *regardless* of political side, political comedy is not going to appeal to the opposite political side...and so just because someone isn't funny, that doesn't make it "not comedy"....anything else is pure cope... And this has nothing to do with "which side does better comedy" because I personally don't like far-left or far-right comedy, since I'm neither of those camps, and I wouldn't expect either side to like the other. However, it is also *all comedy*
I'm a hair stylist and have tons of experience with conservatives and how to speak to them, the key is to learn their "language" and speak it better than them. I always hated the line "When they go low, we go high..." My saying is when they go low, I go lower. Liberals have a tendency to always play by the "rules" conservative culture is by nature hierarchal, they get comfort from being put in place or "knowing" their place
These are excellent and acute observations - thanks for saying it so very well!
True. That's why I never hesitate to go lower AND claim I have the high ground. Because I do, and conservatives are whiny bitches.
Anyway, yes I already knew this. I was a neo Nazi once, so I know how they think.
"They go low, we go high" lmfao hell no they go low, I go lower.
Kill em with kindness? Funny I named my Machete kindness. 😆
I'm not going to be nice or make friends with fascist.
The reason why liberals would say that is because they're reich-wing lite.
Look at the people who they vote for?
Reich-wingers just took Abortion and made laws against trans people and committing genocide on us. And they just let it happen. Jo Biden the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the country. And Americans having to leave their own states as political refugees because they're snatching trans kids away.
Neolibs did that, don't vote left you're in the Reich.
@Hubert, The Fapping Monk This is probably the stupidest comment so far this month.
The way Marx just described Crowder's "Change my mind" videos is exactly the way school bullying works. The bully picks a weaker person, and then humiliates and abuses them for the amusement of bystanders. It is also abundantly clear that Crowder would only clip the videos where he wins and the ones where he loses, or where a bystander breaks the "mystique" of the bullying crowd, would not appear anywhere. Basically, like so many other things you are sharing here, the essence of conservative comedy is just using the mechanisms of bullying.
There's also the fact that he prepares talking points days in advance and is arguing against students that lack media training and are on the spot
@@sammckenney8163 Nailed it! That is so true. The great debaters always talk about how much prep goes into preparing their facts and information, and those are ones debating against other people who have prepared, not ambush trolling.
Personally I think a big part of why they've latched onto the trans debate so tightly as their main talking point is because it lets them recycle a lot of old misogyny. Like the right hates women, and want women to be considered not as people but as property.
But trans people say that being a man or a woman is a choice one can opt into or out of at will.
And if you can just say no to gender, then you can't really argue that the harmful gender roles of "property owner" and "property" are legitimate and intrinsic.
So in order to hold onto their power over women, they attack trans people.
Like if you squint at a lot of their talking points, it kinda becomes clear that a lot of what they're arguing against is basically just an argument against a co-ed society where women are considered as equals.
Like the argument against trans people in sports is basically just an argument against co-ed sports.
And all the anti drag stuff. Just think, why do they REALLY think that wearing WOMENS CLOTHES SPECIFICALLY is this thing they should culturally condemn as hard as possible?
We have little problem with women wearing men's clothes, so what's so different about femininity to these people that they would condemn it so harshly?
I’ve been saying the same thing. Modern sexism defends itself with biological essentialism. Women are like X because of their biology, that is immutable, therefore they should act like it.
A major part of feminism is rejecting biological essentialism. Women can be more than mothers. Women can be more than homemakers. Women can play sports. Women can be leaders. That stuff.
I cannot fathom a greater rejection of biological essentialism than “someone born a female can be a man” and vis versa. Trans people are the antithesis of sexism.
Hadn't thought about it this way before but I think it is a good point
Emma shines in interviews. Give us more, girl!
She is good. Plus she's easy on the eyes.
She is a goddess
There's a long history of racism being disguised as "humor."
And a counter-reactionary history of humor being labeled as "under attack" for being described (pushed-often-less-vigorously-than-hypocritical-neocons-push) correctly as racist and racist adjacent.
And sexism..
FACTS
@@bryna7 ❤
Adam Carolla launched his podcast when I was 18 and I unwittingly fell into that rabbit hole. Thankfully I grew out of it but I can imagine how I may have continued down that path.
Loved Adam Carolla and Doctor Drew in the 90's on Love Line. Then the red flags started going up in the 00's. Then the dark times came upon us.
Conservatives can be funny- Ron White of all people to this day has one of the funniest gay jokes in stand-up history, but it's buried under decades of hot garbage one-jokes.
@@zetsubanned4308 Ron White is pretty funny. I can’t stand right wingers or their politics but some of them are funny. Them again, I laugh at crazy stuff. I don’t consider the babylon bee comedy. That site is trash. Anything Elon likes is not funny generally
@@What-vo5bxRon’s comedy is funny because his stories exist outside of politics. Most of these others Carolla included have always been willing to hurt others to entertain. I’d suggest Gutless Gutfeld actually got into it for the purpose of offending.
Thanks for sharing this. I don’t know a lot about specific comedians in that spectrum.
Yeah, the blue collar comedy tour wasn’t political and actually knew how to self deprecate. Conservatives now are way too insecure for that.
I know a lot of guys that voted Trump because they thought he was going to be a Molotov cocktail in the system in 2016 but in 2020 they didn’t bother voting
Was it because they saw that he lied about draining the swamp?
@@jamesmcelroy5830 yes pretty much
People who don't understand politics believed that, yes. Sadly.
I voted for Trump in 2016, but then realized he's a con man and switched to blue
2016 Pizzagate and Wikileaks was a massive Psy op to put Trump in the Whitehouse, billions of dollars was spent propping him up in media, not to mention all his cameos in Hollywood and the Apprentice show. Even now Dems like Biden, Pelosi and Schumer are doing everything they can to defer to the right wing, enable them, platform them.
You can call it coincidence if you want.
But it's clearly not
Epstein worked for Trump, who trained alongside him and Roger Stone under Roy Cohn, who admitted to working for Mossad
My experience with righties is that "just joking" is the tool of the bully. "Chill, I'm just jokin'!"
Exactly
And if you are “just joking”, then it should be funny… being mean for the sake of being mean just isn’t funny
Until you try the same crap, they do to them and then they become like those they bully with humor themselves. That's why I said before comedy is dead as the culture wars killed it. Florida censoring people online over Milton and Helene to me isn't anything new as it's not what you offend but WHOM you offend that makes actions possible.
If comedy punches down then that should be a red flag.
Conservatives with a victim complex will just claim they're punching up when they attack minorities.
Don't make fun of Biden.
@@happyprogressivepoop1422- wut?
@@danielcrafter9349 people sticking up for Biden lol he is the pinnacle of power.
The divide comes from a fundamental difference in values.
Liberal/leftists don't find naked racism and petty grievances to be witty or really humorous. Whereas you'll see alot of that stuff in conservative comedy. It doesn't need wit or depth or complexity, it just needs to attack someone they dislike and that's enough for them.
They're a whole third of the electorate, so.. yeah. There's something there for grifters to completely cash in on.
Then why do y'all fund and support the Azov Battalion and Right Sector?
@@basedtruthpiller7140
Is this an attempt at Russian apologia?
That’s exactly what’s going on. Trump, these empty comedians, Turning Point and their 2 Minutes of hate concerts, whereas in the old days these normal people were enjoying concerts, living life and enjoying relationships. Now they’ve been turned into political zombies
@@Mathenaut yes
@@Mathenaut But... but... the only reason anyone is anti-war is because they're a Putin lover!'
- Rush Limbaugh/Majority Report/John McCain... it's all the same thing at this point.
I went with my daughter to the ER one night, very late & we were stuck there for a while, & Fox was on the TV, & I saw Gutfeld's show & I was again amazed that anyone would not just watch that, but host it, fund it, promote it, etc
It's tanking in the ratings. Like Trump likes to say, nobody watches your show.
It bothers me so much how many times I see FOX on in a professional setting/lobby area/official waiting area.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 right its crazy.
It makes sense they would put neocon programming/propaganda on, when money is more important than truth for power in society... then those with power side with money. It's the consumers' fault that things are the way they are really, that's really how capitalism works. If the consumers let themselves be veiled and manipulated because it makes them more comfortable to buy such kinds of things, then power will invest in getting even more power before the game is up or comes crashing around them.
I told my neighbors that Fox's #1 goal is to convince you to hate people like me. They still watch it.
"Man people that ain't like us sure are weird amirite"
That's all right wing comedy in a nutshell, just make sure to punch down and throw in an attack helicopter joke and you're practically Joe Rogan 👍
once Joe Rogan moved to Austin he goes right up to the lie now
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf Comedians actually say "right wingers can't do comedy because punchlines can't tell jokes".
The left uses comedy to process pain. The right uses it to unite those who create pain.
Some years ago Chris Rock did a brilliant clip on the Confederate flag flying all over government buildings of the south. I split my sides laughing .... Rock went to Montgomery Alabama, where the flag was on the state capital building. A few years later there was a mass murder in the same church led by MLK Jr in the 60s. I tried watching Rock's clip again. I couldn't laugh 2nd time round. The pain of the mass murder was too fresh . . . .
A man wearing a dress isn't stunning and brave.
It's objectively funny.
@@basedtruthpiller7140 we talking about Crowder again
Bryna Waldman
Timothy “Speed” Levitch had a documentary called “The Cruise” from the late 1990s. It was a flamboyant, verbose and colorful view of double decker buses in NYC. He runs around in circles to make himself dizzy below the World Trade Center and jokes about them looking wobbly and practically falling down. He brought this up in a short film after 9/11 and the lighthearted fun was gone as the towers were no more.
Our angry grievance culture no longer are enjoying life and seem to prefer an unhappy future, and the opposite of John Lennon’s “Imagine” being positive, it’s like they want others to join them in their misery
@@basedtruthpiller7140 Not really. You need setup to make it funny. No wonder y'all get mad when people don't laugh at your jokes, you are a "lacy" hack
@@basedtruthpiller7140 Men who think toxic behavior is masculine is pathetic.
Rogan has changed a lot in the past ~5 years. He’s always been “anti pc” “anti sjw” or whatever you wanna call it but he used to be mostly apolitical or at least extremely open minded and “both sided”, once he got into hunting and became obsessed with the influencer military daddies he’s actually become political and right wing. Legion of skanks I haven’t paid much attention to recently but they are or were very apolitical, just extremely offensive and “anything goes”.
$$$$ whoops, suddenly I'm REALLY REALLY into not being TAXED and having none of my very wealthy friends be taxed fairly either, and also for using military-LARP-culture weaponization against the "rabble-rousing" poor. And Click-Bait! Whoops! $$$$ ~ Rabbit-hole once-right-and-now-richer centrists in a nut shell.
The one guy from Legion of Skanks, Dave Smith, is hoping to be the 2024 Libertarian candidate for President, so that kind of makes it a political podcast even though the other two insist it isn't.
@@JoshyJosh610 omg is Dave smith getting into politics? Yuck. But yes you are correct he is very political however anytime I’ve ever heard it get brought up they just call him gay or whatever and tell him to stop. So I’m not saying you’re totally wrong but you’re not really right either. That is of course unless the show has drastically changed but I highly doubt that
He voted Bernie Sanders.
Wokes are destroying the leftist image and giving the right more fuel.
Wokes are obvious Trojan Horses.
Google "Ryan Carson"
Smoking with Rogan or taking Acid with him genuinely sounds awful to me, I'd be wanting to just enjoy the experience (especially when talking about Acid) and can imagine him jabbering away in my ear constantly. Sends a shiver down my spine thinking about that
Liberals punch up and self-deprecate. Conservatives punch down and haven’t been able to figure out how to self-deprecate since the blue collar comedy tour.
When did Liberals start punching up? You're, literally, lying.
💯💯 also the reactions on those occasions when a leftist punches down are intense whereas on the right, as you say, it's just their norm
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Comedy is a two-way street...........until it isn't with offended right wingers saying our jokes or humor not your lefties! SMH. I'm glad I never became a comedian as it's another one of those bullshit jobs now in the culture wars like video games developer and beta tester/reviewer.
The reason most "right-wing comedy" is not categorized as "comedy programming" is because almost all of it appears on platforms that are explicitly conservative. A conservative comedy like Last Man Standing on the broadcast networks is categorized as normal comedy programming, but if it were appearing on (and produced by) The Blaze TV, then it would not be. Similarly, if The Daily Show and The Colbert Report were MSNBC shows, they would have been categorized as political programming instead of comedy programming.
That show followed a comedy format. Tim Allen, like him or not, he was always a comedian first, so he knows about joke structure and building to punchlines. Conservative comedy is akin to a drug dealer that wants to rap. Just because you're this thing, doesn't mean you can do this other thing well.
Some of them have never been funny, others are just hasbeens.
Roseanne for example used to be funny, but can't accept the fact that she is way past her prime( artistically speaking). Joe Rogan or Breuer on the other are just not talented at all.
I mean Rogan is kinda funny… you shouldn’t let your hatred for someone’s beliefs cloud you judgement on their art. Johnny depp is a really good actor, but as we found out, kind of shitty personally. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to see another Pirate movie if it comes out.
I don’t know what happened to Rogan. Someone definitely either pulled him aside and had a “talk” (my guess it’s that CIA mike baker guy that comes on once or twice a year) or he just palled around with rightwing A-holes until he became one. Either way, his podcast is trash since he went to spotify. It was in decline way before that but it just sucks now. It’s sad. I learned a lot from that podcast back in the day (I would’ve never tried psychedelics if it wasn’t for that podcast) and thought he was pretty funny. He’s actually a lot smarter than you’d expect. Which is why his right wing heel-turn made no sense
Barr was funny to a certain demographic, just like many other comedians have their own audience. Everything ain't for everybody.
@@What-vo5bxit's called Astroturfing, aka Grooming
@@Butjuice69 Bro, bro, bro, ME AND YOU ARE KINDA FUNNY TOO!! That is not what Mixamaka Music was talking about. He was talking about "comedy specialty" in the career level. Also, Johnny Depp is a great Theatrical-PERFORMER not a believable/talented actor by any stretch of the term (other than the psychological fact that a good performance always distracts people from what would be considered unbelievable fantasy if it were critically discussed or compared to what would be expected from reality). That's probably why his Theatrical Performances often involve him being a SHADY CHARACTER. I'm going to watch Rogan's post-fear-factor bro-talk interviews, but I'm never going to consider him a "comedian" and I'm probably never going to search or be excused to his stand-ups.
Cody Johnson also worth checking out on this topic, he did a whole entire video about conservative comedy and how unfunny it is.
I prefer Contrapoints essay on edgy humor, she funny and cool
@@Tacom4ster I like them both, I watch pretty much everything either of them do
@@shawnhenderson2091The only two UA-camrs that I can watch for more than twenty minutes(I, don't have a short attention span,I just prefer reading, Cody and Natalie are entertaining enough to make video essays more than one hour long).
I think the guest is oversimplifying things a bit by saying that someone on the left considers Jon Stewart to be a comedian because they agree with him (personally, I've never found him to be very funny, but I don't dispute that he is a comedian). Jon Stewart on the Daily Show was primarily doing comedy, in the sense that his goal was to entertain, he cared about whether the things he said make sense and, at the risk of just paraphrasing Some More News's episode about right-wing comedy, he made jokes that are clearly recognizable as jokes. Right-wing "comedians", by contrast, are using the trappings of comedy as a political weapon; a lot of the "jokes" they make leave one unclear what's even supposed to be funny about them, but they're received by their audience as jokes because they affirm the audience's political views.
Bloody nailed it thank you
They have comedy on the right wing?
They seem to think so anyway.
@@scoot4348 😂😂😂
Insulting people with slurs is not comedy it’s just bigotry and hate speech
@@robiboo6928 💯
They win the comedy war and by a large margin while you cry daily.
The clip war, the meme wars. All of them.
You are very disconnected from the average Joe.
I love Emma’s interviews!!!!!
Only reason I just subscribed to this channel. I don't agree with her on everything she says but I like her interview discussions. She asks great, focused, poignant questions.
Peter Cook, once referred to “those wonderful Berlin cabarets which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the outbreak of the Second World War”.
"There are a lot of liberal comics that we love like John Stewart and John Oliver.."
"Yes well liberal and Leftist are different."
"Well.. yes but I mean this as a category of coalition."
I'm glad Nick gently pushed back on this. This doesn't need to be pointed out every single time, especially when it's beside the point. John Oliver is probably not a Leftist but he comments on systems of oppression more than Stewart does, and in a really funny way. Who cares if they identify as "Leftist," it's about the content - just like all these "apolitical" or "independently political" comedians are actually right wingers and fascists as evidenced by their content.
Because liberals who identify as leftist render the term meaningless. Liberals are determined to reform the system, leftists, whether anarchist or communist, seek to abolish the current system and rebuild something better.
There's a clear distinction
I had a different response. I think conservatives purposefully confuse liberals with leftists, whereas there is actually a bright, clear dividing line between the two groups. And when you conflate the two you're serving the conservatives' purposes. The conservatives deliberately confuse the two terms because they want to frighten conservatives and ignorant independents (which, honestly, is most independents) into thinking that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are the same as Noam Chomsky who is the same as Karl Marx who is the same as Vladimir Putin. All in one bag, all scary, woo-woo-woo! In point of fact the dividing line between liberals and leftists is capitalism, and its chief symptom, wealth inequality. Liberals believe capitalism is fundamentally OK, we just need to tweak the system here and there so the poor aren't so distressingly homeless and sick and starving and enslaved. (Neoliberals are economic conservatives who think gay people and such should be allowed to be human.) Leftists are ready to drop-kick capitalism in to the past, or at the very least regulate it so hard it would hardly be recognizable as the capitalism we know in America. (Call it Social Democracy.) Saying they are all the same is extremely misleading.
Jon Stewart literally gave an award to the Azov Battalion.
Literally.
John stewart is a centrist himself...he supports capitalism. Look it up.
@@bryna7 that's the point I was making in my comment without explicitly saying it, these liberal icons fundamentally support the status que, even the most "basic" income distribution by them would seem extreme. Talk to your friends, when marginalized communities unite, with force of arms, and that is important, change can be made.
I think “conservative humor” IS an oxymoron. I think successful comedy had always been directed at the powerful. Making fun of the powerless is simply cruelty, and I suspect that even conservatives don’t find that funny.
I think punching down and thus, having it be cruel, makes it difficult to freely classify as funny
Do left wing comedians make fun of Joe Biden, the most powerful man in the world?
@@danvaccariello439 - Actually, yes. There’s not much to make fun of though. Comedians don’t make fun of Warren Buffett either because he seems like a decent person. I think most people don’t find it funny to make fun of people who lead mostly decent lives.
You made a good point though, and it made me think. Comedians made a LOT of fun of Bill Clinton when Bill was EXTREMELY popular. Why? Because what he did invited jokes. I didn’t think the jokes were funny because Bill clearly had a problem (he couldn’t control his libido) and that ruined his chances of being a truly great president.
@@thetooginator153 Do you think it is fair or funny to make fun of Biden's cognitive decline? That is not in his control but I believe it should still be mocked because of the power he has.
Some "P.C. conservatives" do not find punching down funny, but often they vote with their "perceived wallet fears" more strongly than with their "P.C. normalness" desires.
Ring wing comedy can be funny only insofar as it satires the worst tendencies of the left. As a leftist I am keenly aware that we often infight and self sabotage by hyperfixating on unimportant minutiae, semantics and esoteric academic subjects. I mean just volunteer for a leftist candidate’s campaign and it’s obvious. The videos of DSA plenary meetings also come to mind, where people were admonished for “wearing aggressive scents” and told to sign instead of applause or were causing “sensory overload” due to crosstalk. It’s funny, and deserving of ridicule. But we do it to ourselves. We need to purge ourselves of narcissists who seek to derail progress in order to virtue signal or command attention in the name of mere vanity. Then not only will we have a viable political movement but the fodder for right wing comedy will dry up.
Sorry pal, in 2023 progressives being complete narcissists is the feature, not the bug.... hence why y'all desperately trying to ban comedy.
Too late. In 2023 progressive narcissism is a feature, not a bug.
I: Having not watched those meetings, I might be missing something, but... isn' it a _good_ thing to avoid causing sensory overload to people who are prone to getting it?
But i've never seen a right wing comic commenting on that stuff. Their comedy is about on the level of punching someone in the back of the head and running away laughing.
We need to weed out the wokes.
Glad you are discussing this phenomenon. I have wondered for some time why all the comedians I previously would have described as left have become right wing sycophants. I had concluded that they are deliberately appealing to an audience to make a buck, selling out somewhat. I also think comics were particularly sensitive to culture war issues, which they resentfully perceived as unfair, unqualified censorship upon comedians.
Downloading the book... In the meantime, Some More News did a fantastic episode called something like "Right Wing Comedy Just Isn't Very Good" which goes deep on breakdowns and then even shows how /right wing comedy that actually *does* work (I think they're all from UK/Aussie perspectives)
Sorry but trying to be funny doesn't make you a comedian. And no I'm not going to call them that. We all know what comedy is. It's funny we laugh not a forced laugh but genuinely laugh. Is Dave Chappelle or Andrew dice clay a comedian?
Some people may think so I don't.
Robin Williams is a comedian, George Carllen is a comedian. Because they're funny. Don't ask me to take this seriously.
I'm not going to fuel their hate by pretending they are funny. I'm not going to pretend I know what's so funny about what they say. People are going to hate
That's unfortunately the way it is.
Making a thing about about their comedy just gives it validation, saying somehow they are equivalent to us.
Even when we're not saying that.
But let's be real Reich-wingers can come up with crazy shit to believe.
Remember they thought JFK was going to resurrect himself and be president and somehow be on their side even Theo he was a Democrat?
Crowder is not- let me repeat NOT- accepted in the comedy world. That includes the scene you’re talking about.
The whole nobility of punching up versus the cruelty of punching down is something of a myth. Here is the neat trick, you can choose someone who occupies the traditional power blocks, but then trash a vulnerability. Take RFK for example. He is white, male, and straight. All power blocks of U.S. politics. However, most people will make fun of his voice. That is a disability. So you can LOOK like you are punching up, when you are REALLY punching down. I remember Bob Dole being relentlessly being made fun of his prosthetic arm that clutched a pen. This was an arm he lost in war mind you. Newt Gingrich was often lampooned for his weighted, not his politics. The same people that will feigned disgust over trans jokes will happily laughed as J Edgar Hover, Madison Cawthorn, and Rudi Rudy Giuliani's cross dressing. That's why I take a hard pass on all that preachy stuff about responsible comedy.
The left has to repair this oversensitivity toward dissent. If you disagree with just one article of their world view, then you are a purveyor of hate. The transgender issue is their new sacred cow. The right has boogiemen, and the left has fetishistic protected classes. They literally think believing in two genders is somehow a contradiction of liking or respecting the gender fluid. Yet they can freely not believe in religion, and like religious people. They can not desire the path of stay at home mothers, and still be friends with them. They are free to disavow monogamy, but still respect monogamist. They can repudiate a lifestyle of meat consumption, but not turn away friendships with those who do. If you don't bend the knee on the entirety of their creed, you must be held in suspicion.
Go back to your main account you disingenuous sticky sock puppet.
isnt there people who say things like "that's not art!" So we do kind of do that in other art forms like comedy, etc.
Yeah but the author is making the main point that we shouldn't underestimate the neocon grift rabbit-holes as "not generally appealing" when actually it is appealing to naive (still developing) young white-colonial-statusQuo-culture-influenced hormonal/testy almost-grown-up boys.
Leftist and liberal comedians are distinct because liberal comedians get booked while leftist comedians are blacklisted for standing up for palestine
Oh FFS y’all, Dave Chappelle isn’t right wing. Y’all have lost the plot.
I listened to Rogan for years, he definitely didn’t seem so right in the beginning, I only saw a full on red flag when he had Milo on (he had already had Sam Harris on and I had to skip those) then Shiparo came on and there was no left wing people on to balance and I ducked out (thankfully as it obviously go so much worse). I also listened to Russell Brand back on the XFM/BBC days but can’t stand him now post anti-vaccine.
Having grown up with a single mom these versions of masculinity were attractive as they initially seemed to be more progressive until, I presume, they found that right wing money making machine audiences
I very much love listening to Joe Rogan.
i was a fan of Rogan's podcast years ago as well. once he turned into a douche nozzle, it was SO EASY to just stop listening to it. i immediately let it go and moved on to other podcasts. people grasp to tightly to their idols, it's really a sign of weakness
Rogan ia great.
You leftist are mad at everything
Comedians punch up but Bullies punch down.
Everyone is fair game it is called equality.
@@happyprogressivepoop1422- still struggling with the difference between equality and equity, eh?
@@danielcrafter9349 lol I'm a marginalized community quit being a white knight with your savior complex
@@happyprogressivepoop1422you definitely are not a community, you're definitely an individual
@@rainkidwell2467 who says I'm not a community?
Right wing "comedy" is the perfect cure for chronic elation.
Conservatives are the sort of people who think spraying homeless people with bear spray is the height of comedy.
I have a Conservative friend who is in his 30's who is a really good kind person interpersonally but, anytime you criticize Trump, he will just move the goal post and point out a bunch of stuff he doesn't like about Joe Biden. I respond, "I hate Joe Biden too. We aren't talking about Joe Biden. We are talking about Trump." And as you pick apart pick apart pick apart his arguments it always boils down to:
"I like Trump because it's funny when he says Sleepy Joe Biden." I am not exaggerating--- that is a quote.
For people whose political opinions are purely vibes based, humor is a very effective way for them to be convinced to like a politician despite not being able to defend anything that politician does.
I mean...it's not close biden has been soo bad for the country. And it's sad ppl like you ignored that he wrote every crime bill from 1976-1994...every single one and he bragged about writing them....who got hurt the most with those bills?
I: That's sort of terrifying
Left wing comedy is about punching up, which is usually not a problem because more powerful people are by definition better able to ignore lower class people or able to defend themselves. Right wing comedy does exist, but it's tricky as it's more about punching down. Which can instantly turn into bullying, which is no longer funny. Especially if those people are already being marginalized.
Is Legion of Skanks “right wing comedy?” I haven’t heard enough of any of them to know. From what I have heard, it seemed that they had maybe more center right sensibilities, but weren’t necessarily trying to attack any current social or political issues.
They are friends with the guys from Cum Town, who are friends with Chapo Trap House. It just seems like that wouldn’t be the case if LOS were really right wing comedians.
They certainly aren’t Jim Breuer right wing.
As least TAFS is giving the center-left some good comedy programming
This was one of the best interviews I’ve seen lately in any channel or medium. Both subjects extremely well informed and articulate about this insidious threat from the right. I think I kind of understand why my right wing relatives support Trump. It’s not that they approve of all his BS, but they just like the guy and think he’s funny. We need to understand this if we want to fight it.
My response to "But Rogan had Bernie on! He can't be a righty!" is "The Young Turks had David Duke on for an interview. Does that make them politically neutral?"
It's called plausible deniability
And everyone connected to the Sanders campaign has turned up a right wing agent provocateur
Were TYT polite and open minded and supportive of Duke though? Seems like a very dumb comparison
lol, wut. Joe was praising Bernie on that podcast an agreeing with him. Did Chunk and Anna agree with David Duke?
@@jjms7167 OK if that comparison didn't work with you guys, how about this: WATCH MSNBC, they agree with conservatives almost 50% of their shows are "centrist conservatives" or friendly to non-batwing conservatives. Does that make MSNBC "neutral." And why do things need to be seen simply mindedly with a manufactured consent "Binary Sports Mentality"? There is no "neutral" and politics is not linearly 1 dimensional or flatly 2 dimensional or even just 3 dimensional. Every issue is a separate and unique dimension that would not have to be necessarily tied with the others in an Us vs Them linear way or an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" flatly 2-dimensional way except for given the existence of the corrupted Wholly-Rich-Class-Owned 2-party system. 2-parties were EASY PEASY for the rich to buy off and own both.
@@jjms7167 judging by his CURRENT positions, no he which be agreeing with Bernie
What about my favorite center left political show, the Adam Friedland Show?
Just saw this after I commented the same lol
Jimmy Dore just put out a vid how it’s important to be able to make fun of Trans people so I wrote a comment that I think burning churches & roasting Christians is funny to me. Turns out they don’t think that’s acceptable and think I should die.
Well to be fair. U said they are making fun of trans people and u are calling for burning down buildings. And then when u use the word roasting next to the word burning, it could be seen as u are calling for their murder. 2 me making fun of how someone can believe in Noah's arc is equally as funny as someone joking about chopping their dick off.
Why should trans people be protected? Nobody is calling for their murder, so your rebuttal was absurd.
@@afridgetoofar1818 DeSantis is very clearly calling for their genocide.
@@afridgetoofar1818 Hard disagree on that one sonny boy
@@soulknife20 why?
Chapo and and the adam friendland show for the win
"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, that's not satire. That's bullying."
--Terry Pratchett
This is no expert on humor or media-literacy. He's just another scaremonger with a book to sell you whose sales-pitch is all about cynical nihilism. "Nothing matters, everybody sucks, burn it all to the ground and piss on the ashes- but not before you buy my book, now a New York Times Bestseller!"
Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, appeal to common sense, or the divine fallacy, is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.
"Right wing comedy" consists of making the same joke over and over for a decade or more, and blaming "cancel culture"/"the woke mind virus" when no one under 50 is laughing. Now if you snowflakes would stop being so triggered and go back to your safe spaces, I'm going to go ahead and identify as an attack helicopter. Let's go Brandon!
If the left world stop being such an easy target, you might see a different outcome. As an independent voter, it’s hard not to laugh at the right-wing comedy because so much of it is TRUE. 🤷🏽♀️
How is so much of it true? When it's oftentimes just insulting minorities like with crowder and Shapiro, as they're talking about in the video
No it's not. They just cherry-pick the worst to make it appear like that. I'll bet money ''wokes'' are Trojan Horses.
Rush Limbaugh used to claim his show was comedy to sidetrack any criticism coming from the Libs
The principal of all comedy is pain and loss which comes at somebody's else expense. It's not funny if this does not apply. Leftists like these 2 zombies are unable to laugh at themselves and are easily upset and feel threatened whenever their pathological agenda is poked fun at.
you obviously haven't watched many liberal / left comedians or talking heads. they're always laughing at themselves. it's the conservative "comedians" who are unable to do so.
When I think of conservative "comedy" I think of the audiences for those sorts of things like that scene on Final Fantasy X with Tidus with that forced cringey laughter. Uncanny valley laughter
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I use that meme well used that meme before blood emerald Elon stole Twitter
Dave Chappelle
@@basedtruthpiller7140 got meth?
@@basedtruthpiller7140 that's random to my comment
Most great comedy comes from a libertarian left viewpoint. One that shares moral ground with liberals and leftists, but leaves historic and current realpolitik out of the message. It’s the “I don’t see color” strain or ineffectual lib-thought. Unfortunately comics - especially successful comics - tend to become more conservative as they gain wealth and power. They still claim color blindness but they get pissed when policy seems like it may fuck with their money. See Dave Chapelle, Joe Rogan, etc…Add the fact that most comics also share the small-gov, taxation-is-theft trope of the establishment right, and you’ve got a passel of hysterically funny, well-regarded, incredibly wealthy people spouting serious toxic garbage in spaces where any pushback all will lead to an extended public mocking that EVERYBODY will see.
At the end of the day, real laughter isn't voluntary.
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She said right wing comedy sounds like an oxy moron, but to me it just sounds like a redundancy, because the right wing has always been a joke.
The problem with the term leftist is that liberals like this dude consider themselves that
Right wing ‘comedy’ is basically bullying others. I have a decent sense of humor but can’t find them funny at all.
This was great. Good stuff.
I can tell you exactly why the trans debate is featuring so prominently now! Sheltered Southerners, like me, didn’t know they existed until the past 10 years!! We had heard of drag queens, but until the TV show on TLC called I am Jazz, I had no idea people like her existed!! I imagine the right wing people didn’t either, and cannot fathom letting those people be accepted in society!! We are experiencing huge, cultural growing pains right now, and I worry how it’s ultimately going to land before it finally gets better!!
True. But ignorance isn't an excuse for bigotry. I don't know plenty of things, but one thing I do know is what moral responsibility is.
The reason trans people seem new is because the Nazis burned down the trans hospital & research when they were coming to power. There has been a deliberate effort to erase trans people, and it has worked. So when we see Republicans banning books and teaching about LGBT people today, we have to stop it so that the next generation doesn't have to rediscover trans people too.
@@TheMahayanist The one thing you know is the woke agenda.
And yes they are very very funny.
Remove your rose-tinted ideology glasses. You are part of the reason they win.
There is no right wing comedy .
Right wingers punch down . Thus , their Jokes end up being bullying and not really funny .
Conservative/redneck comedy used to be light-hearted and somewhat self-deprecating humor. Now it is vitriolic and mean-spirited about liberals and "others" than Muricans like them.
There used to be a kind of Edgelord humor that was still humor and where the ultimate goal was to make people laugh, but over time it shifted and I can kind of remember the shift where it stopped being about it being a joke and became more about making people angry and shifting them to the right. My reaction to gamer gate was kind of the opposite of what a lot of people did because I didn't ever buy into it and it pushed me left if anything. I was conservative to moderate when I was much younger and even then I had limits to the things I was going to be able to really get into as a black person since a lot of the stuff on that side is racism or sexism and the like.
There was this invasion of "comedy" that just boiled down to calling black people gorillas or shouting women down and it became so apparent that these jokes weren't really jokes, they were just one person telling the other person that "you're in the right place, I agree with you. This is a Safe Space."
De Staat sing Kitty Kitty really hit the nail on the head "Here it is, the strategy We begin with comedy
Make it feel, make it feel real
Sing that simple melody"
One comedy show that never gets recognized as right-wing comedy, even though it is, is "South Park."
South Park is moderate left. You are far left
The thing with *South Park* is that it goes after *everyone.*
I would very much call myself a _South Park Republican_ because South Park tends to hit most current issues nearly perfectly.
sorry trolling is not comedy...it is trolling. We do make that "distinction"...porn is not "art"...it is porn.
That's because you've never seen catboy porn before. That's art.
This is accurate 👍
Comedy isn't about dehumanising and belittling people for being different, it's about finding commonality _despite_ our differences
@@TheMahayanist you calling porn art is the troll which you think is funny....see the difference? not comedy...only trolling.
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Left or right, the more the audience is applauding talking points rather than laughing, the more you've moved away from comedy and in to just another echo in the chamber.
This show really needs to keep with the socialism and Communism schtick because they no nothing about comedy.
Right wing shows just are not funny imho. Their technique is mocking, harassing, and insults. It’s just re-treads of tired old ethnic jokes using “woke” and “Libs” in place of “Polish jokes” (for example). Don Rickles was an insult comic. Audiences reacted with mild laughter and embarrassment.
I also noticed a lot of actors/musicians/comedians who you wouldn't have guessed was Conservative or not so much began to head that way loudly after 9/11 and around the invasion of Iraq.
Its not that people are hesitant to call gutfeld comedy because he's conservative, it's because gutfeld is not funny lmao
Liberals and leftists are interchangeable......uh no that is incorrect
Conservative "comedians" don't aim for laughter... they aim for clapter.
the comparison to the art world was way off. ppl often deny art in museums or galleries as "not art". its the most polarized art form. terrible comparison.
Trashtalk is not comedy.
People love to defend Rogan but my first introduction to Shapiro, Crowder, Milo, Alex Jones, and so many other grifters was through his podcast. One of the reasons I stopped listening to him was because I noticed he'd just lap their bs up or write them off as jokesters, but became more contentious with scientists, doctors and liberals.
I just downloaded this guys book and the funniest thing about it (and this interview) is that at no point is Cumtown mentioned.
You mean Gay Actor Michael Douglas?
I'm confused. Was it a joke. Those guys were for Bernie Sanders.
Please, how exactly is Dave Chappelle a "right wing" guy? His politics seems pretty liberal to me....at least not conservative.
Now that's a joke.
His trans jokes shifted his political leanings to the right, by the left. That, or his joke about tax cuts on SNL.
This guy is an expert on what is subjectively funny. Thanks for taking the zoom call to enlighten everyone.
In the interest of stating the obvious: it's hard to imagine any form of conservative comedy that is not basically propaganda.
As someone who has performed comedy I see a difference between those who have done stand up and those who haven't and only perform online or in very controlled settings with a pliant crowd. Among older comics there is a trend of moaning about not being able to use old material, complaining that 'you can't say anything these days,' which to me is just arrogant and a way to blame the audience for failure. If you turn up to a gig your job is to entertain the audience, not piss them off, while all comics have gigs that go badly not all blame the crowd. A few of the voices mentioned in the vid would be unheard of without the promotion they get.
I don't view comedy the way you describe it as left wing politics or liberal..I think those successful comics aldis happen to be liberal not the other way round. Which makes sense coz most people aren't racist or hateful as much on the left and centre and some on the right...
I always thought the phenomenon or RW comedy really exploded after 9/11 with people like Dennis Miller and Colin Quinn made a hard turn to the right in their comedy and a lot of it was driven by islamophobia. I addition to these two there's also a lot of other SNL alumni are now hardcore right wing like Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider, Joe Piscopo, Victoria Jackson, and Jim Breuer.
I wasn't aware of Colin Quinn becoming actually right wing, he is the only one you mentioned that has ever actually been funny.
@@davidspears4550 I used to watch Tough Crowd after The Daily Show way back when. It became pretty obvious his politics were right wing along with his close friends. However, I'm told he has mellowed after his heart attack.
@@modokk5673 Why don't any of you see the level of ridicule ''gender studies'', ''multiculturalism'' and other pseudo-science theories have ?
Do you have eyes ?
''Wokes'' are Trojan Horse to the left.
I just don't get how right wing comedy can so often be just "bigotry"
Remember when Fox News tried to create a sketch comedy show to compete with "The Daily Show" when Jon Stewart was hosting? The content was just old Rush Limbaugh jokes reworked to be more hateful.
Is the Daily Show any good? I tried it a while ago and it felt flaccid, almost as flaccid as Colbert's political commentary became once he transitioned to late-night talk-show host.
That being said, I HAVE binged all those Jordan Klepper pulse fingerings.
Gutfeld is "doing well" in the rating bc he is the only 1 doing CON$ervative, punching down, "comedy" vs Kimmel, Fallon, Colbert are all splitting the "liberal" audience.
Also his fan base never changes the channel unless it's to watch the NFL which they supposedly boycott.
The proper word for conservative "humor" is "sardonic," in that it is directed at the misfortune of others. Now, sardonic humor has its place, such as laughing at Trump when he gets dragged into court again and again, but in the conservative context, its primary purpose isn't as much to be funny as it is to bond conservative audiences and affirm their prejudices.
Oh, right wing comedy very much exists. They definitely release content that is ment to be viewed as and consumed as comedy. It's just not funny. Even Dave Chappelle fell off hard when he started doing the anti trans stuff and it's cause like, 90% of the time he just goes, "ew, transpeople" or, "something something transwomen are men". And pretty much every anti trans joke is a derivative of this. Lazy and unoriginal tends to be a bad mix when it comes to comedy.
Transphobia just rots your brain.
He did not fall. He got cancelled by ''sjw''. It is not the same thing. He is thriving while you reee about trivial stuff while defending mega-corporations because they ''suddently'' support your pseudo-science made-up "gender-study''.
Woke comedy is so funny am I right?
Right wing comedy often feels like a roast with the cruelist of intentions. The best and most natural comedy disects absurd aspects of life and examines their flaws. The goal is not to belittle, it's to enlighten. Conservative comedy is often centered on attacking individuals and is more about displaying power than telling creative jokes. It's like Christian rock in a way. It has the instruments and song structure of rock music, but its purpose is often to deliver propaganda that will lead to recruitment.
Right-wing and comedy in the same sentence. 😂
It’s not that leftists won’t call those right wing shows comedy, it’s that right wing comedy focuses almost exclusively on punching down and being vicious to the most marginalized, oppressed, threatened groups of people in the country. You can call it “comedy”, but that doesn’t make it funny.
The left kills comedy.
Steven Colbert and Jon Stewart used to be funny. Bill maher is the last actual funny liberal… and he admits to not be a “leftist”. Political satire requires a element of truth behind it. That’s why left leaning political satire is cringy.
Since 2008 and on people have been told what not to say, what to be offended by, being labeled every slanderous title under the sun. Since 2016 we’ve been seeing people are start to reveal their disdain for PC culture and and the liberal grip on western culture
This makes so much sense
When I think of right wing comedy, I think of Jim Brewer
comedy punches up. punching down is cruelty.
Totally agree thank you
Thank you to your guest who perfectly explains what I've been trying to get into leftist's brains for a while...
*regardless* of political side, political comedy is not going to appeal to the opposite political side...and so just because someone isn't funny, that doesn't make it "not comedy"....anything else is pure cope...
And this has nothing to do with "which side does better comedy" because I personally don't like far-left or far-right comedy, since I'm neither of those camps, and I wouldn't expect either side to like the other. However, it is also *all comedy*
Rightwing comedy makes me cringe..so so much! It's fake and hateful and riddled with lies and cowardice.
And lib comedy is boring and stagnant bc they chose to only make fun of white males lol