Thanks for giving me credit. Awesome job filling in all the blanks. I didn't know GRRM had said those things about the unkiss. It's confirmation for sure. Also thanks for putting in the animated bar graph on how both Thoros' and Beric's life fire was drained each time they performed "The Last Kiss". It makes more sense now. I'm not sure how Sansa could know or even believe in the Last Kiss, if she hasn't either seen it or received it yet. So my guess is that it's Sandor. Your editing, narration, and content is the best in GOT/ASOIAF universe. Your feedback to all the comments here earns my gratitude also. You have one of the only comments sections that I enjoy reading, and it's spoiler free. I'm officially a channel member now. You earned it.
im glad you like the life fire bar thingy. i recall chatting recently about the lord of light, so this is sort of my "gods aren't real interpretation" of how the blood magic works its similar with the shadow babies. stannis does 1 in the show. 2 in the books. and in both, mel says he'd died if he made another. so i look at stannis as being down to very little fire fire, similar to thoros after the 6th time and of course, this interpreation of blood magic isn't necessarily mutually exclusive with the gods (or specifically, r'hllor) being real/fake the way we interpret the "gods vs no gods" debate in terms of planetos is important since the effects bleed down to how we interpret other things. like i think Mel, Thoros, and all the other child slives were brainwashed. whereas a fan who believe in R'hllor might believe they are following a god who wants to save the world from the Great Other. then something like Thoros belief ... i look at it as tragic. he never believed in the Lord of Light. then he did some beaaaautiful, selfless sacrifice through love to raise his buddy. and it was so crazy, that he's like "whoa. maybe the gods are real!? im a believer now!" however, that's just my interpretation. GRRM has said that gods won't show up. and won't interact directly with the characters. but that doesn't mean they aren't real, especially since it's open to fan interpretation so i need to choose my words more carefully when chatting with people. my misleading comments stem from so many factors though. I'm just not that good with words lol. and i get passionate about my own interpretations. and that passion cause me to mistakenly choose words that imply it as fact instead of opinion. and of course, i often chat while doing work. (you know, like after i hit process on a prelim version of a video, and im waiting for it to prcess to review). or when i get in chat sessions for an hour straight (my mind is all over the place, and my fingers hurt. so i end up rushing responses wow, sorry for this book. im actualy in the process of waiting on a prelim version of a video to finish. its uusally 10-20 minutes. but because of the type of video it is, this one takes over 2 hours to process each time i make a new version. as a result, its taking me a day and a half longer than i had hoped to finish it (and im not pushing back the followup video to january so that i can finish other videos in 2018 =)) thank you for joining btw. even a month is huge. being a channel member for a single month is the equivalent of having watched 2500 of my videos. my math might be off. its huge though. so basically, joining for even a month is as supportive of the channel as someone who watches every video i do for 10 years lol so thank you!!
and thanhk you for the kind words!! and most importantly, your insight!! cause i love these characters and the story. and i love learning more about it, from wizards like yourself =)))
in terms of sandor or sansa giving it, Sansa doesn't need to know about it. it's driven by passion. the first time Thoros did it, he was just sad. he had no idea he was going to raise Beric but i totally hear ya. And i'm with ya. Since SAdnor has seen Thoros do it. (maybe seen similar stuff with the Elder brother as you pointed out). it makes more sense for him to be the one to do it (i jsut threw out the other one as an option. cause it'd be so cute.) actually, i was about to say "cause he's always wanted the kiss" and then she finally gives it to him. but because of the "unkiss" memeories, its sansa who seems to really want sandor's kiss (which strengthens the better version. sandor giving her the last kiss) side note, i noticed your distinction about last kiss vs "kiss of life" in regards to being final or not. thank you for pointing that out. but once i found the iron born calling it the "kiss of life," i stayed away from that. cause im not yet sold on thoros specifically calling beric's kiss the "kiss of life" since it was final. but you might be right.... so thanks for that! i tend to think that one of the factors to accessing magic is extreme passion. be it love or hate I heard children crying as the riders drove them off with their whips. Tell me again what you saved.” “Your life.” Mirri Maz Duur laughed cruelly. “Look to your khal and see what life is worth, when all the rest is gone.” (AGOT, Danaerys IX) The memory of their first ride was with her when she led him out into the darkness, for the Dothraki believed that all things of importance in a man’s life must be done beneath the open sky. She told herself that there were powers stronger than hatred, and spells older and truer than any the maegi had learned in Asshai. The night was black and moonless, but overhead a million stars burned bright. She took that for an omen. (AGOT, Danaerys IX) i love that line about "powers stronger than hatred" but i believe another factor to be belief. sort of belief with a B. not necessarily in a God. that can work, even if the god isn't real. but just that sort of "law of attribution" type belief. not saying they can do annything. just that it may be a factor in doing magic, among other things. like the level of magic as a whole, blood sacrifice, whether the individual has cracked (near death) yet, etc
Bridge has one of the best thrones communities for friendly and challenging chats. I hope you post lots of ideas in the comments section. I can invision GRRM embracing MAGIC as the real or true force above any Gods, it's a very poetic statement. What's more powerful, moving, or MAGICAL, than a kiss given in selfless love to another? In these terms, Sansa already has all the knowledge of magic that are needed. Love QOT 🌹
@@bridge4 I was skeptical at first about the gods not being real, but I'm starting to open up to the idea. At least now it's on my table. It's a peach that I'm tasting for the first time. I'm blown away by it and wanting more. I still haven't watched all your content. I'm catching up quickly though.
I just realized that, before she was almost marrying Joffrey, or marrying Tyrion or Ramsay, it was Sandor Clegane who put his white cloak around her shoulders. This is a main wedding ritual. Foreshadowing much.
I always thought the unkiss was just a sign that Sansa's a warg like her siblings but that without her direwolf she was just reading Sandor (the protector who replaced her direwolf) who wanted to kiss her but didn't. She remembers it because she saw it happening in Sandor's mind. That's my theory.
Sansa with her red hair has been kissed by fire and poor young Sandor's face was kissed by fire, what a romantic poet GRRM is. I would lean toward Sandor giving Sansa the Last Kiss because his journey more than most has been revolving around fire and that this will be the moment he finally finds the courage to banish his fear of fire and he recognises it's power instead. Every day is a school day over at bridge4 folks.
The last kiss will not be about literal beauty it's about the beauty of both these characters innocence and the purity of their hearts in their search for love and a place in their world. They both have suffered more than anyone else trying to find that love and it's incredibly fitting they will both find it in one another. How romantic is that ??
Jeni Watkins, as bridge4 has clearly proven, it will be bittersweet to say the least. However fleeting Sandor's moment is though, I will be glad he finally understands that he deserves to have joy and happiness and his heart will be made whole again. For Sansa her love for the world will be rekindled and that loving spirit will find it's way back to her. I am not a sucker for romance, I swear.
She favours her mother for sure but to say it's ginger would be pushing it. A reddish brown auburn it is described as and I would say that is enough to be kissed by fire.
If Fire is a synonym that GRRM uses for Life, has Sandor Clegane actually been afraid of Living all this time and the fire is actually the figurative part and not the literal?? Your videos provoke so much thought Kev, it has transformed my perspective of the books and the show. Go raibh maith agat. - The Irish term for thank you.
Uhmmm sorry but may I use this one for a essay I have to write in school? (I signed up for a literature class called "heros and antiheros" and I chose to analyse the hound) This is basically just so good! Omg xD
Be my guest Kev your work is astounding and if I can help I am more than glad to do so. Word play is probably the most subtle thing in most situations it''s almost like magic itself! Keep those videos rolling my friend the fans need to hear your wonderful perspective.
I think it was implied in The Stranger that Sandor has attoned. In retrospect, he has done some bad things, but he's never been a truly evil person. He's been cold, bitter and indifferent but not truly evil. He has committed some foul deeds in the name of others, but there have been some very early signs to suggest he's questioned the morality of these actions. He's done what he has done for survival, not out of a desire for power, love or greed.
“and I’m all that stands between you and your beloved king ...” - I guarantee you that at some point in S8 Sandor will literally be the only thing that’s standing between Sansa and the Night King...
When you said GRRM uses “fire as a synonym for life” that could mean the title of the books “ A song of ice and fire” could be translated to mean “A song of death and life.” Ice being the opposite of fire and death being the opposite of life 🤔
I am such a fan of Sansa, they are hard to come by, I hope Sansa finds some happiness in the end. Her story ark from the beginning has been a lot of lows and not many payoffs. #teamsansa
Commenting months later...another fan of her character here. I’m the only one in my circle that sticks up for her LOL so I know she is unpopular. But I think she is one of the more complex characters who has had the most growth.
Old George is definitely going to throw the dog a bone and have him end up with Sansa in the end. And imagine their giant warrior children protecting the north for years to come, that would be a fun touch in future stories yet to be told. Unfortunately our beloved offer won’t live the required 50 years to get through writing another series at his current pace.
So, Bridge, remember in season 1 when Lady gets sentenced to death by cersei? Well Rob (Baratheon) tells Ned to get Sansa a dog and she'll be happier for it in that same scene, and as we know, GRRM left clues about the ending in the first season, maybe this is a foreshadowing of Sansa eventually 'getting a dog'; The Hound, maybe they'll be married or he'll serve as one of her household guard. Just wanted to share this with you and see what you think
Yupm he's a stark dire old now. Mainly aray and sansas, in different ways. But now even jons diirewolf Can't wait for his reunions..most are excited for arya. And I am too. But I'm most excited to see what goes down with sansa for the reason you mentioned :)
@@bridge4 I can't immagine Sandor's story not ending in at least a sliver of happiness, maybe we'll only see as far as the reunions he'll have and his service to the Starks', but I for one hope the Dire Hound has a happy ending with his little bird
@Alysandir who will be left of importance for Sansa to marry? If Sandor survives the Great War he could end up being one of the most important lords in Westeros. The marriage could be entirely about power and convenience and real love could develop later.
@Alysandir yes but: 1) it's possible that a bunch of minor houses will be major ones after a bunch of major ones are wiped out. After the great war is done, there will be a lot more respect for those whose status is raised based on merit during the conflict. 2) who was bannermen to whom isn't going to matter after they've all faced a much worse common enemy, and the Northerners are going to be hardest hit by default because they are closer to the Wall, so there won't be as many of them around to complain either. 3) you can't please everyone, but Sandor and Sansa are only 8 years apart in the books, and while he's older in the show, so is she. That's not a huge gap, and age difference means very little in real life, let alone a fantasy world. If it means a somewhat happy ending for a character or two, HBO may well risk the wrath of those who might object.
The Lord of Light marked Sandor from an early age and then saved his life not just once in the Trial by Combat with Beric but twice when Thoros sacrificed himself to save him. If I didn't know any better I would say The Lord of Light has big plans for Sandor.
The Lord of Light appears to have marked a number of people... Jon, Sandor, Beric.... Jaime, Sansa, Arya, Daenerys? Are they all collectively Azor Ahai or the LIGHT (Lightbringer) of the Seven (Seven Kingdoms)?
So yeah this is what I was going to say. If any character has become a believer in the Lord of Light after being an atheist, it's definitely Clegane. He was brought back from death AND saw a vision in the flames. And now he's fighting against the army of the dead. So I could definitely see a scene where he says something like, "If you saw fit to save me, save her." And it works.
I'll say this. I find it quite possible Sansa may actually dig Sandor. He is instrumental in her hardening up. He did everything he could to prevent her from giving Joffrey a reason to make him take her head. He doesn't want to do that, but he will if ordered. Within the parameters of his existence, he is an honorable man. Politics aside, them together makes more sense than Tyrion. At this point he would protect Sansa and Arya with his dying breath. So...In this case...Maybe the "Last Kiss" is really the first kiss, the first real kiss between them. I know it would certainly save my ugly old but. Imagine how that could help heal a cat like "The Hound".
The Hound: " You will be glad of the hateful things I do someday when you're QUEEN... and I am all that stands between you and your beloved [NIGHT] KING...". Yeah he may go down protecting Sansa. Also the scene when he puts his cloak over Sansa... isn't this part of the wedding ceremony? As if he "married" her and " brought her under his protection" .
RedRoseSeptember22 isn’t she queen of the north right now? Everyone knows he was talking about Joffrey but that doesn’t mean that situation can’t manifest itself differently over the coarse of time.
Wonder if Elder Brother gave Sandor the Kiss when he found him half dead from the fight with Brianne. Sandor then threatened the Brother to teach him how to do that or else he would eat all the chickens on the island.
Doesn't seem like Sansa, Sansa is practically responsible for the entire north, Sandor's main role is to protect, it wouldn't make much sense for Sansa to give her life for Sandor's. Plus if Jon dies like he probably will, the north will really need Sansa. Also Sansa would probably not be in the thick of fighting with Sandor, but Sandor falling back to protect the Lady of the North is more probable.
Sansa dreamed of knights in shining armor then learned the hard way what assholes they truly were. The Hound never became a knight because he already knew. Shie lost Lady so early on but Sandor quickly filled her place as her protector. It always seemed to me there was much more going to happen between them than they ever realized. She had to learn were true beauty and goodness comes from and he had to realize he's no ones dog to kick around. That he has great value.
Wow! I'd imagined that Sandor had come from Alexander and I read that Sansa came from a dead language meaning "dove." And now with you info, we see that George may have interwoven these 2 meanings, knowingly or not. Brilliant!!!!!
Elegance bringing Sansa back makes more sense because Berric told Clegane that the lord of light isn't done with him yet, he kept him alive for a purpose and being that Clegane is literally kissed by fire and can see visions in the flame now, it makes total sense. Thanks for this insight, I never even pondered it before but now I'm convinced. L8r bro!
Now, I dread the death of my beloved Clegane, he is such an amazing character. But this one I think I might be all right with. As long as it was Sansa giving it to Sandor. It's rather poetic on the one hand, as she believes he both saved and kissed her, for her to repay him for both actions at once. But on the other, it'd be another empowering moment for Sansa, one where a male character furthers her storyline instead of a woman serving a man's. But above all that, I pray to the old gods and the new, that they get to be together in SOME fashion at the end of the series. As a Lady and her bodyguard, lovers, married, besties who go to the mall every weekend. I don't care just seven hells don't split them up!
Have never thought of this theory of the unkiss until now, but my guess is it wont be over a matter of death but will instead be over love or endearment Sansa will have for the Hound protecting Sansa and her family all of these years. I think the Hound wants to be loved but doesn't feel he deserves it because of how ugly he is, once Sansa shows her affection towards him, Sandor will become the white knight that he has wanted to be his entire life. Great video, I subbed!
Could it be something simpler like, in that stress filled and emotional moment Sansa just misremembered the kiss later because deep down she either expected him to or wanted him too. It's not unlikely since the city was under siege and Sansa would have thought he was going to kiss her because of the tone of the situation. So later after everything had calmed down she just thought he'd done so, we all know memories get hazy when there's stress.
@@bridge4 True but it might mean something regarding Sansa's feelings for Sandor which I think George knows is what the book readers are keen for. But knowing George this one seemingly small thing might just turn into what you explained in the video. We'll see when this book is hopefully released in my lifetime
I think Sansa may be as scarred as Sandor under her clothes. Remember what she told Littlefinger about how she could still feel what Ramsey had done to her. Their scars might link them together even more.
I have a feeling it's Sandor. When Brienne and Arya left him to die, he was pretty much a goner if no one intervened. I'm figuring the Elder Brother did, used his own magic, and a bit of that was left with Sandor.
Another reason I love your channel! You are so humble and man enough to offer different fan theories! Not everyone is humble enough to do the same on YT. Some GOT channels think that their theories are the last say in what characters or topics their video are covering. I absolutely love your channel! The bonus is your from NJ lol!
i didnt know about it until a year or two ago when Nymeria Darkstorm told me about it. i made a SanSan video. in the process of making a much better one tho =))
@@hhh1200 actually we can Jon and sansa have gone through similar experiences in life under different situations ,bringing sansa back to life will be another way of having Jon and sansa have gone through the same experience
I've read about this comment of Mr. Martin's several times and wondered about it. I'd settle for either saving either as long as they're together. Just one thing. Isn't there a dream Sansa has about a 'lap full of puppies '? Just clutching at straws here :) Fab video as always. Thank you
Don't know if that's a dream or just one of her thoughts. It might have been connected to the idea of being married to Willas Tyrell and becoming lady of Highgarden, but it could easily become true in another way. Martin likes doing that kind of thing.
I wonder if the ability to give the kiss of life requires a faith the god of fire/light, I am not certain Sandor is there yet, but your video reminded me of a prediction Tyrion made after Joffrey had her beaten and the Hound gave her his cloak he said "Sansa Stark you may just survive us all" I wonder about that prediction
@@bridge4 I think he's real because Varas said the sorcerer who cut him spoke to a voice in the flame. The red priestess that visits the pyramid in Mereen pretty much confirmed that the voice Varas heard was R'hllor
I think R’hllor is probably real in some regard, but not actually a creator god. Probably more like some kind of demon, or some entity with genuine powers, though not full god level powers. We have evidence that there is someone on the end of the line, as you say with regard to the voice in the flames, and we have seen a lot of other evidence of genuine powers of followers of R’hllor - birthing shadows, visions of the future, reanimation of the dead, etc. Not a god, but something is doing that.
I love this theory Kev! It’s impressive how good you are at them, and I could definitely see this one coming to pass. It’s funny though because when I saw the very first clip you chose to show I immediately thought the video was going to be about how that line “You’ll be glad of the hateful things I do someday when you’re queen and I’m all that stands between you and your beloved king.” was about Sandor protecting Sansa from the Night King. 😂
yup, I told ya, he saw stuff in the fire (arrowhead mountain, the dead marching), so Sandor does have access to magic. It is more likely Sandor brings Sansa back, coz, Sansa is pretty badass right now but way behind realizing her magical blood yet...she is almost where Jon was when the series began in terms of being no B.S. pragmatic.
Golbon Mol he was meant to see the visions, that day of the arrow headed mountain I think they were sent by the nk as part of his plan maybe nk is the Lord of light!! AA EVEN!!
It would be pretty cool if the healer at the Quiet Isle gave The Hound the last kiss, that's how he survived after Arya left him dying, and then he subsequently gives it to Sansa. Just as Thoros gave it to Beric and he passed it on to Catelyn. The fact that Cat is Sansa's mother would make it even more complete and symmetrical.
That last line about ‘’Sansa bringing her direwolf back to life’’ got me thinking. At the start of season one the hound is a real douche, we see this when he kills mycah and jokes about it. Later during that very scene we witness Ned having to kill Lady. What i’m proposing is that a small piece of Lady’s soul found a place inside Sandor Clegane. We already know that this event was enough to trigger something spiritually inside Bran because he woke up (in the show) right after it happens. I think that this event at least triggered something in him that causes him to have a special connection to Sansa. We know that there’s alot of little girls he couldnt care less about, but with Sansa there’s something different and he can feel some kind of protective feeling toward her. This theory is really far fetched, but I feel like there should be some kind of spiritual connection between the two.
For part of Lady to go into Sandor would probably require him to be a skinchanger, and he's not. However, without a direwolf Sansa is in danger of losing some of her Starkness. She needs a strong protector of some kind. That could end up being Sandor with or without any romantic elements. Sansa also has a ton of bird imagery around her, maybe to indicate that it will be a challenge for her to stay grounded (like a direwolf) if she's not careful to remember who she is.
Damn!! They should make all your videos into a movie or series. You are the best GoT content creator out there. Alt-Shift is epic, but you got a style that makes me want to join a brotherhood, if you're in it. Great job.
my first favorite character was beric dondarrion btw (named my first clash of clan account "beric dondarrion") because i love the concept of fighting for those that cannot protect themselves =))
This theory makes sense. Sandor feared fire for most of his life- giving the last kiss to Sansa to bring her back will complete Sandor’s arc. Before, fire to him meant death. But now that his arc is complete, he’s realized fire also means life.
And both Kissed by Fire, in different ways. I'm guessing you mean the end of the book series, because these connections would be nigh impossible to establish on the show, due to the changes and omissions, and hard even in the books (up to this point), as GRRM himself admits. *Unless somehow established* in the few remaining episodes prior to the finale, it would seem completely out of the blue for "unqualified" characters to randomly start resurrecting others using a novelty to the show's continuity: the Kiss of Life. Other than that, we agree on two points: 1. Arya, Gregor, Sandor and Sansa's storylines will converge and culminate together in a major way near the end. (I've been commenting elsewhere that Arya & Sandor will kill Gregor together since March 2017) 2. Fire = Lifeforce (a staple in fantasy, sci-fi and cosmic horror). I wonder if age-old characters such as Melisandre (especially after that revelation in s06e01), the Undying Ones, Bloodraven and (surprise here) Varys are, one way or another, _energy vampires_ who absorb the lifeforce of others via blood magic, to prolong their existence and delay death ("Not Today"), in an Only-Death-Pays-For-Life type of mystical exchange. A somewhat overlooked story element that will most definitely be addressed in the show's final season. Fingers consistently crossed for _A Dream of Spring_ to eventually see the light of day (pun intended).
I think it will take three to Kill Gregor. Arya and Sandor - third could be Ellaria Sand, or Nymeria, or the Night King. So Theon goes into the Red Keep dungeons to rescue his sister, and finds much more ... and the dragon skulls reanimate ...
My favorite character in any show ever. I'm just glad he went out like he was supposed to. Epic death. The scenes with him and Arya are some of my favorite.
I swear you have a way going into detail and explaining that I'm convinced buy the end. Plus they make so much sense and I can't believe I missed it myself
The first time sandor said that 0:12-0:14 i just pictured a bruised sansa dressed in silks and done up like a lady with sandor clegane standing on her right side slightly in front of her as if daring anyone to try hurt her.
Is there any other fan who just watched latest episode? Looks like in some weird way it happend in the show. Even though there was not any romence they both saved eachother. Hound helped her with being a stronger person, but mostly she was the one who saved him. Their reunion - I think she is the one who inspired him to face his fears, fight his abuser and finally end his suffering.
I love this! Their reunion in the latest episode was something I have been waiting for and it was so perfect. I hope this is true, if not in the show at least in the books.
This is a great theory! It would be really sweet because Sandor would protect Sansa after everything she’s been through and Sansa would help him see the world differently
I have long suspected that Sandor was the "little brother" and that he would somehow end up killing cersei, to save his little 🐦 ??? Considering the mountain is the older brother of sandor and cersei's protector. Would be the greatest way to kick of clegane bowl....
It's been a couple yrs or so since my last reading of the books but I don't remember it working the way you described with Thoros and Beric concerning the resurrections so to speak. I know that it chips off a piece of who Beric is each time he is brought back. The person he was is gone but I don't recall anything about it doing that to Thoros as well each time he performs it. I might have just forgotten it or overlooked it each time I have read the books, but I feel that even if it does its not to the same degree as Beric is losing. I believe that Thoros tried to bring back catlyn as well but it had been far to long after her death. I felt the primary reason was that the Lord of Light had no desire for her to be brought back. Only death can pay for life, unless it's the gods will. This is why it cost Beric his life. He gave her the kiss of life, meaning he gave his life for her to be brought back. I believe this is the only kiss in that sense that has been done throughout this story. Thoro's ritual for raising Beric would have been different and more similar to what the show depicted.
There's nothing in the books that says it does anything specific to Thoros, but that's where that one quote comes in about a seventh time possibly being the end of both Beric and Thoros. Could mean that this theory is correct, or it could mean that a seventh time there wouldn't be anything of Beric left, and all hell could break loose, resulting in all of them dying permanently. Interesting though that a R'hllorist is worried about something involving the number seven.
TBH idc which kisses whom as long as they both get a happy ending. These two have got to rank among the most luckless, beaten down figures in the entire Song of Ice and Fire. They Deserve a happy ending(just don't tell George I said that or they will both die horrid deaths)
ive watched alot of asoiaf videos, theories and live streams and this is the first time ive come across the unkiss , nice catch. strength before weakness
In she show, Sandor has started to see visions in the flames too, so he seems to be getting some red priest type powers. The two people that have given the last kiss so far have been the red priests Thoros and Melisandre.
The interaction between Sandor and Brienne at the end of season 7 stands out when they are talking about Arya. Brienne: "The only one who needs protecting is the one who gets in her way" Sandor: It wont be me. I think Sandor perceives this as provoking Arya, but what I read into was that Arya is going to need saving and the Hound will literally get in her way to stop whatever it is that threatens her life. Hence the hound needs protecting because he literally got in Aryas way. I hope not though, Sandor is King.
Beric gives The Last Kiss to the Hound, dead on the battlefield at Winterfell, dying in the process a la Lady Stoneheart. The Hound gains the power of pyrokinesis, overturning his lifelong aversion to fire...and can wield a flaming weapon. The flaming weapon he uses to kill the Mountain at "Cleganebowl". Beric gains a vicarious revenge over the Mountain, who killed him in the first place.
I recall re-reading Clash recently, and in that, it is revealed that the Cleganes came to be in the service of the Lannisters, after three of their hounds killed a lion that was attacking Tywin Lannister's father/ grandfather. I theorised on another thread that this might foreshadow the Hound taking a role in destroying the Lannisters. It's worth noting that Sansa isn't the only Stark who has formed a bond with the Hound. He gradually formed an attachment to Arya too. Robert told Ned that Sansa would be happier with a dog. Both Stark girls have theoretically lost their direwolves but Sandor may come to fulfill the role of loyal protector in the same way as a real hound serves its master.
Well, it actually makes sense. If the whole Last Kiss thing is correct and Sandor is giving Sansa the kiss, he'll be the only that stands between her and her "beloved" king, Joffrey, who's dead. He won't let Sansa be with Joffrey.
Hi! I am so glad you had posted on the Unkiss since you're on the Sandor trail (arguably the best character in ASOIAF). I had thought alot about the Unkiss and felt that potentially, Sandor resurrecting Sansa with the Last Kiss could be a possibility as well. Coming up to S8, when the characters end up at King's Landing for the final battle. There are huge speculations that our heroes (those that fight for the living) will be confronted with a double threat at the same time: 1) the Others will be taking down the city as well as 2) Mad Queen Cersei will be hatching her plan to blow up the city with Wildfire. There are strong evidences leading to Jon being captured by the Golden Company at the previous Battle at Winterfell which will result in our remaining characters going south to save him. When they reach KL, Cersei could possibly scheme the kidnap and murder of Sansa (to rile her enemies), and Arya and the Hound will go on a secret mission to free Jon and take revenge for Sansa's demise. The rest will be fighting the Others. My speculation would be that Jamie dies in the fight, and in the arms of Brienne and Arya will take his face. My speculation is that Cersei will hang and display Sansa's dead body for her enemies to see. In anger and respect for her lost, Sandor and Arya will retrieve her body which will fuel their hatred for Cersei. Arya (disguised as Jamie) and Sandor will eventually find Cersei. Cleganebowl WILL take place whilst Cersei is being attacked by Arya/Jamie, however before she dies, she will issue the call to explode caches of Wildfire all over KL. But when Arya kills her, it will fulfill the Valonqar prophecy. Sandor would be fatally injured but just before he dies, will will give the dead Sansa his Last Kiss (as Wildfire caches explode) fulfilling perhaps a greenseer's vision Sansa had always known, "He had come to Sansa in the darkness as green fire filled the sky." What do you think.
Sandor has clearly no beliefs in any sort of religion, but the path he has taken in the show could lead him to this Last Kiss theory. He has seen Thoros raise Beric after he killed him and he's also had that vision in the hearth in S7. If she were to die in front of him, it could be his last resort, out of love.
Which leads back to there being no Gods, just magic, which can be used by pure belief. I agree that out of love, he can certainly tap into the magic and revive her.😊 Very sleeping Beauty... almost too warm and fuzzy to expect from GRRM.
That Queen forshadowing has just confirmed what I always thought,That Sansa and not Margery or Dany will dethrone Cersei. The Show visually displays it...Cersei has put the Lannister lions in as the symbols on the walls of the throne room,yet in dany's vision when she gets to the iron throne,it's covered in ice. and the symbols of the seven are in place.. which means Someone else dethrones Cersei before Dany gets there.. If you look at the opening of the show you see the thing that hangs from the roof of the high citadel and at one point glasses ,the type a master where's as the map is unfolding.. Take it as someone from the future reading what we see occurring in the show in a book in the high citadel... Sansa always wanted to be a girl who's songs where written about...and Sam wanted to write a book with more fancy name... The series is called "A song of ice and fire" Could it be Sam survives and recounts it all from his perspective into book form..with a nod to Sansa...
I wonder what this means for magic as a whole. Since it’s all but certain the dragons and direwolves are going to die and the White Walkers can’t just be killed, or killing them will only further the cycle of violence, and magic is disappearing from the world, if The True Kiss will be one of the last acts of magic or if it’ll work as intended. What if Sandor/Sana’a comes back and that piece of them that loved the other is missing, just how part of Beric was missing.
I can see Sansa and The Hound together. I feel Arya AND Brienne would both approve therefore everyone else would too😊😊😊 Sansa's guard would basically be 2nd to none😎😎😎 I mean Brienne her knight, Sandor her husband and an ex-Faceless assassin her sister!!! Shoot, untouchable😎😎😍
That would be a good end for the House Stark for sure. It would be interesting "Westeros remembers" what the North has been through and has done for the Seven Kingdoms.
Edna Santamaria I can imagine Arya gaping with incredulity that he’s her new brother-in-law! But he has been a fatherly/big-brother/cantankerous drunk uncle figure to her since the Brotherhood, and she took him off her list, so... It would be entertaining to see Sandor Clegane sparring verbally with Brianne of Tarth, they are such polar personalities - with the same intense loyalty to their own codes and unlikely ‘true knights’.
I think it would be poetic Justice for Sansa to give Sandor the magic Last kiss Via some act of affection. The kind that Sandor wishes he had authentically received in his life.
I think the Elder Brother did the last kiss on Sandor, because he did seem pretty close to dead when Arya left him. Also, it could explain why he's "different" when he came back, because the part of him that was lost was the Hound. (So, maybe when the Elder Brother tells Brienne that the Hound died, he wasn't exaggerating.)
I hope this means they both live, they have to. I can't handle any more dying, please. Also, I think the scene you used, at the Battle of the Blackwater, is a clue to her becoming queen. Probably not, but possibly. But I don't want anyone to die. I just can't think of anyone I could handle, except for Euron. Who do you think will die, of all characters, and who definitely won't die
Sansa doesn't need to become a queen though. That's what she wanted when she was a naive little girl with a head full of romantic dreams. Now that she's grown up she may find she'd rather be anywhere but King's Landing so she can have a life defined on her terms, rather than doing what she's told like an animated doll.
It's amazing you take time to read all the comments on your videos and you even leave a comment and smiley sometimes :) sorry not related, everybody has already commented their thoughts (sorry for my english, it's my 2nd language)
Work by a, "Woodbridge" in Jersey love the content. The only hint of an accent from the Garden State is when you say, "Water" or rather, "Warrter" I travel the country installing Cellular Infrastructure and no one can guess where I am from until I ask for a glass of Waatter.
Lol do I say warrtar??? That's hilarious. Bc I've always mocked my south jersey friends for saying it that way (their accent is a lot different and their warter really hammers on the r)
I think it would be awesome if Sansa used it on the hound. Would be a tad less impactful the other way around kind of like a cop out for a major characters death.
I know the night king (show one) isnt in the books but the show one showed up for the first time at the hardhome mission which to my knowledge hasn't happened yet in the books so he could actually show up in the books to at hardhome. Yes i know that he briefly shows up in season four but thats in the land of always winter, there was only walkers there and the books only show things from a characters POV so we wouldn't see that season 4 scene in the book unless there's a POV character to witness it. I know its off topic but i just wanted to put this idea out there.
There is no indication in either books or shows that either T Hound or Sansa follow the Lord of Light, have healing skills on par with Thoros of the Brother or are otherwise capable of performing such magic. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.....
I think that Arya telling the Hound that one day she will stick a sword through his eye and out the back of his head may also come into play. Possibly as a mercy when he's on fire or turned into a wight. I also still think she fits the prophecy of Azor Ahai because there are at least two major events in her life that fit being "reborn amidst smoke and salt". The first was the Red Wedding and the latter was the port where she caught the ship to Bravos. The smoke is from the fighting at the Twins and at the port, there are large piles of salt.
Ha! Literally the first potential plotline for season 8 that I can get on board with!I would very much like this to be true - Sandor needs to truly save someone to forgive himself, to regain any happiness at all. And their connection is real, so much more so in the books than the show as you pointed out. Yes! I like this. Sandor will save Sansa and will become a hero. Whether a dead or alive hero I do not know, but he will find his redemption. Please, make it so :)
Love this video (I always get downvoted when I talk about Sandor and Sansa's ultimate arc). as an adjunct, remember that the Hound was the FIRST to cloak Sansa when being beaten, which is a symbol of marriage. He leaves that white cloak with her and she continues to use it around her. And I think she semi warged her "wolf" during the bedroom scene both in the book and the show ( remember GRRM himself wrote that scene for the show. she fugues out while staring at Sandor, and he stumbles backwards). when she apologizes to him before that in the hallway, he says he will stand between her and her beloved King. That's the Night King. And Sandor's death scene with Arya was basically if I had had just ONE loving moment with "your sister, your pretty sister", my dying would be okay. But the biggie in the show later was - The conversation between Thoros and the Hound in the far north while seemingly about Brienne, inmho was subtextually about the Hound and Sansa. I believe she will get pregnant by him, he dies saving her, and she and Tyrion raise those great big monstrous children. as Sandor says during the trial in the cave, I never touched the targaryen children, never smelled them, never held them bawling. no he won't hold his own children either - . sansa will have tyrion there at the birth, with Sam assisting. Sam, have you ever birthed a child? no, but i've read about in a book.... I think Sansa has a difficult birth with twins. she lives though. her vision at the Vale clearly shows her with PUPPIES on her lap, one of which looks like Arya who was mistaken as Sandor's son several x on the road.
Hm, no. I have loved all the other theories I have checked out after discovering this channel today, but this one I don't see happening. For the Last Kiss to have the proper strong emotional meaning this close to the end of the story, it has to be someone giving up their life for the other person (like when Beric revives Catelyn as Lady Stoneheart in the books); it can't be one of the "earlier" kisses where you just give up *a bit* of your life force (like when Thoros revives Beric multiple times). So one of the two persons has to die to save the other. Sansa isn't even aware of this type of magic, so if she somehow managed to sacrifice her life to save Sandor without evening understanding or knowing it, it would just be tragic. And if Sandor has to give up his life to save Sansa, then you can't get the scene where he receives the gift of mercy that you described in an earlier video. Of these two potential deaths for Sandor, I find the other one much more likely, especially considering how emotional it will be (I cried just watching that video and imagining seeing it in the series). So this theory ... there just isn't any room left for it in the story, in my opinion. As for how Sansa's memory of the "unkiss" will eventually mean something, I cannot guess, but I don't think this is it.
So I'm on my 2nd read of Storm and in Sansa's final chapter (which has so many references to her being frozen in the snow) I had this "holy crap!" moment and had to come find this video! (Apols if someone has already said this, it just hit me!) In that chapter, Marillion comes to escort Sansa to Lysa in the high hall. He says he is sent to 'bring her' and she asked if he is the guardsman now. "Do you require guarding?" he asks, all subtly reminding us of the hound, bringing her, guarding her whatever... and then this: "I'm composing a new song, you should know. A song so sweet and sad it will melt even your frozen heart" 😱😱 I'm with you on this now Kev, 100%! Sandor will give Sansa the last kiss! (I'm not happy about it, but it looks like it's right there 😭)
If the person needs to know about the existence of magic for magic to become real, how would Sansa be able to save The Hound if she's never seen or experienced The Last Kiss before? Based on that, it seems more likely to me that The Hound is the one who saves Sansa...
so that's interesting .. Sandor, who's afraid of fire, may resurrect Sansa in the ways of the god of fire, Rhllor. So maybe if this is true he first will have to somehow overcome his fear of fire
Sandor will save Sansa and she will marry... Robyn Arryn. After the Ragnarök, "the völva sees the earth reappearing from the water, and an eagle [Arryn] over a waterfall hunting fish [Tully/Stark] on a mountain". Sansa Stark-Arryn will be the Queen of Westeros.
GRRM borrows heavily from all kinds of mythologies and histories, but he always puts his own spin on things to create a unique and original story. I doubt anything we could come up with based on either history or mythology will turn out to be part of the actual ending.
Was that not the guy who found the hound dying where Arya left him? Maybe he gave sandor the kiss. If so deceiving the kiss would mean you can pass it on as beric did to Katelyn
Something I always wondered was if at the Battle of Blackwater before the hound walked away. Is it possible he saw something in the flames of the man running at him that made him question everything, and then go look for Sansa and head north?
Yikes. For me, this is another clue that the world is "looping". Perhaps the Hound did kiss her in a different loop. Doesn't take much for my imagination to latch onto something unlikely and run with it. Time to revisit my looping theory and see if I can come up with something new. :-) Thank you for another great video.
It would be great if somehow they all ended up in Kings Landing and the following happened. If Cersei ordered The Mountain to kill Sansa and The Hound got involved to try and save her but was killed. Arya could witness this and run in to try save Sansa and try to kill The Mountain because she is on her list and she just seen him kill Sandor who was protecting her sister. Arya is losing the fight badly, The Mountain snaps needle like a twig and tosses it away and that is when Sansa gives The Hound the last kiss to bring him back to life. He rises and ignites his own sword just like Beric and Thorus used to do, saves Arya and defeats The Mountain.
Based on the book passages I would lean towards the Hound giving the last kiss to Sansa. However, I would put money on Cersei, not the Night King, as the party responsible for Sansa's demise. Sansa will likely be on the receiving end of a Cersei plot (that might conveniently involve Gregor Clegane) to take her life and the Hound, per the foreshadowing involving 'the king', will attempt to intervene or arrive too late and avenge her death (thus achieving closure with his brother). Thanks to his newfound faith in the Lord of Light the Hound successfully manages to impart the 'last kiss' to Sansa, thus setting her up for the final act involving the Night King.
Lord of light isn't real and sander doesn't believe in it. Sandor tried a prayer to the 7 in season 7 when they gave the nod to him as the gravedigger :))
Because of his history with Sansa, I thought it was strange for Sandor to tell Tormund (in the show) that he hated gingers. Maybe it was just another way to say F off.
Oh OK well actually you were right. It''s a reddish brown..and same with Robb and the others. Their hair was redish brown. But starks are straight brown. So the redish tint distinguished the 4 from Jon and arya, who looked like ned (and thus, lyanna)
GRRM says that something will eventually pay off...Yeah, if he ever actually FINISHES THE DAMN BOOKS! Sorry for ranting. It's just really frustrating, because I've read up through A Dance With Dragons, and I really want to see what happens next in the books.
Sandor already was kissed by fire. Remember the conversation betwen Sandor and Thormond. It actualy all makes sence, the reason why he found his faith in the Lord of light and why he is still alive.Great Video!
I think you're onto something very solid here. Sandor saved Sansa and Arya before, and would again with the last..or is it the first 👄? Thanks, love Qot🌹
I sorta remember the kiss thing in the books. I was confused, because I couldn't recall any kiss between them. Could you help me out, though? I don't understand why she believes a kiss happened, when it never. I just.... I don't get it! Lol
@@Che_sells_Cshells Damn it, I never even considered that! There's no reference (as far as I know) to Sansa having wolf dreams, so that thought never entered my mind whatsoever. Good call, though. You never know with GRRM :)
At the time of the Hound leaving, when finding Sansa, she thought he was about to kiss her - as he leaned in close. If I recall, Sansa closed her eyes to prepare for it... but it never came. I don't think it was dream based, rather, merely wanting a past event to happen differently. To the point where you believe your own lies - to an extent. Sansa had a solid year+ of distress in King's Landing prior, so I wouldn't put it past her to latch onto someone who treated her properly (without all the deceit).
Unreliable narrator. She remembers it because of the wild emotions of the night as a whole (blackwater), her fear of sandor, mixed with presumably her love for sandor :))
What was 435, was that the "he's already died in her arms...at harrenhal!! I was suddenly scared when I found the brienne holding rely line in the show. Then I went right t books and saw the same thing as literally flipped out. Went to record a rant on camera. And as I was about to start I was like "holy moly! She's already held Jaime!!" And as pathetic as this sounds, it was really happiest moment of my year so far lol
@@bridge4 no that was the Jamie video 🤣I comment too much sorry at 4 min 35 seconds on THIS video was when you said he would die saving her or she would die saving him on the Jamie video I was emotional about him dying a hero 😘
Thanks for giving me credit. Awesome job filling in all the blanks. I didn't know GRRM had said those things about the unkiss. It's confirmation for sure. Also thanks for putting in the animated bar graph on how both Thoros' and Beric's life fire was drained each time they performed "The Last Kiss". It makes more sense now.
I'm not sure how Sansa could know or even believe in the Last Kiss, if she hasn't either seen it or received it yet. So my guess is that it's Sandor.
Your editing, narration, and content is the best in GOT/ASOIAF universe. Your feedback to all the comments here earns my gratitude also. You have one of the only comments sections that I enjoy reading, and it's spoiler free. I'm officially a channel member now. You earned it.
im glad you like the life fire bar thingy. i recall chatting recently about the lord of light, so this is sort of my "gods aren't real interpretation" of how the blood magic works
its similar with the shadow babies. stannis does 1 in the show. 2 in the books. and in both, mel says he'd died if he made another. so i look at stannis as being down to very little fire fire, similar to thoros after the 6th time
and of course, this interpreation of blood magic isn't necessarily mutually exclusive with the gods (or specifically, r'hllor) being real/fake
the way we interpret the "gods vs no gods" debate in terms of planetos is important since the effects bleed down to how we interpret other things. like i think Mel, Thoros, and all the other child slives were brainwashed. whereas a fan who believe in R'hllor might believe they are following a god who wants to save the world from the Great Other.
then something like Thoros belief ... i look at it as tragic. he never believed in the Lord of Light. then he did some beaaaautiful, selfless sacrifice through love to raise his buddy. and it was so crazy, that he's like "whoa. maybe the gods are real!? im a believer now!"
however, that's just my interpretation. GRRM has said that gods won't show up. and won't interact directly with the characters. but that doesn't mean they aren't real, especially since it's open to fan interpretation
so i need to choose my words more carefully when chatting with people. my misleading comments stem from so many factors though. I'm just not that good with words lol. and i get passionate about my own interpretations. and that passion cause me to mistakenly choose words that imply it as fact instead of opinion. and of course, i often chat while doing work. (you know, like after i hit process on a prelim version of a video, and im waiting for it to prcess to review). or when i get in chat sessions for an hour straight (my mind is all over the place, and my fingers hurt. so i end up rushing responses
wow, sorry for this book. im actualy in the process of waiting on a prelim version of a video to finish. its uusally 10-20 minutes. but because of the type of video it is, this one takes over 2 hours to process each time i make a new version. as a result, its taking me a day and a half longer than i had hoped to finish it (and im not pushing back the followup video to january so that i can finish other videos in 2018 =))
thank you for joining btw. even a month is huge. being a channel member for a single month is the equivalent of having watched 2500 of my videos. my math might be off. its huge though. so basically, joining for even a month is as supportive of the channel as someone who watches every video i do for 10 years lol
so thank you!!
and thanhk you for the kind words!! and most importantly, your insight!! cause i love these characters and the story. and i love learning more about it, from wizards like yourself =)))
in terms of sandor or sansa giving it, Sansa doesn't need to know about it. it's driven by passion. the first time Thoros did it, he was just sad. he had no idea he was going to raise Beric
but i totally hear ya. And i'm with ya. Since SAdnor has seen Thoros do it. (maybe seen similar stuff with the Elder brother as you pointed out). it makes more sense for him to be the one to do it (i jsut threw out the other one as an option. cause it'd be so cute.)
actually, i was about to say "cause he's always wanted the kiss" and then she finally gives it to him. but because of the "unkiss" memeories, its sansa who seems to really want sandor's kiss (which strengthens the better version. sandor giving her the last kiss)
side note, i noticed your distinction about last kiss vs "kiss of life" in regards to being final or not. thank you for pointing that out. but once i found the iron born calling it the "kiss of life," i stayed away from that. cause im not yet sold on thoros specifically calling beric's kiss the "kiss of life" since it was final. but you might be right.... so thanks for that!
i tend to think that one of the factors to accessing magic is extreme passion. be it love or hate
I heard children crying as the riders drove them off with their whips. Tell me again what you saved.” “Your life.” Mirri Maz Duur laughed cruelly. “Look to your khal and see what life is worth, when all the rest is gone.” (AGOT, Danaerys IX)
The memory of their first ride was with her when she led him out into the darkness, for the Dothraki believed that all things of importance in a man’s life must be done beneath the open sky. She told herself that there were powers stronger than hatred, and spells older and truer than any the maegi had learned in Asshai. The night was black and moonless, but overhead a million stars burned bright. She took that for an omen. (AGOT, Danaerys IX)
i love that line about "powers stronger than hatred"
but i believe another factor to be belief. sort of belief with a B. not necessarily in a God. that can work, even if the god isn't real. but just that sort of "law of attribution" type belief. not saying they can do annything. just that it may be a factor in doing magic, among other things. like the level of magic as a whole, blood sacrifice, whether the individual has cracked (near death) yet, etc
Bridge has one of the best thrones communities for friendly and challenging chats. I hope you post lots of ideas in the comments section. I can invision GRRM embracing MAGIC as the real or true force above any Gods, it's a very poetic statement. What's more powerful, moving, or MAGICAL, than a kiss given in selfless love to another? In these terms, Sansa already has all the knowledge of magic that are needed. Love QOT 🌹
@@bridge4 I was skeptical at first about the gods not being real, but I'm starting to open up to the idea. At least now it's on my table. It's a peach that I'm tasting for the first time. I'm blown away by it and wanting more. I still haven't watched all your content. I'm catching up quickly though.
I just realized that, before she was almost marrying Joffrey, or marrying Tyrion or Ramsay, it was Sandor Clegane who put his white cloak around her shoulders. This is a main wedding ritual. Foreshadowing much.
Oooh good catch.
And in the books, she took that cloak with her to the Vale.
I like that one
Yup. He left his bloody cloak the night he broke and asked her if she'd like to leave the city with him
Oh oh oh! Nice catch!!!
I always thought the unkiss was just a sign that Sansa's a warg like her siblings but that without her direwolf she was just reading Sandor (the protector who replaced her direwolf) who wanted to kiss her but didn't. She remembers it because she saw it happening in Sandor's mind. That's my theory.
I like it more
Nice!
Good one!
I like that idea a lot
Beat theory I’ve seen so far. Kudos my friend
Sansa with her red hair has been kissed by fire and poor young Sandor's face was kissed by fire, what a romantic poet GRRM is. I would lean toward Sandor giving Sansa the Last Kiss because his journey more than most has been revolving around fire and that this will be the moment he finally finds the courage to banish his fear of fire and he recognises it's power instead. Every day is a school day over at bridge4 folks.
The last kiss will not be about literal beauty it's about the beauty of both these characters innocence and the purity of their hearts in their search for love and a place in their world. They both have suffered more than anyone else trying to find that love and it's incredibly fitting they will both find it in one another. How romantic is that ??
@@owens2963 exactly
Jeni Watkins, as bridge4 has clearly proven, it will be bittersweet to say the least. However fleeting Sandor's moment is though, I will be glad he finally understands that he deserves to have joy and happiness and his heart will be made whole again. For Sansa her love for the world will be rekindled and that loving spirit will find it's way back to her. I am not a sucker for romance, I swear.
Does Sansa have the red hair in the books?
She favours her mother for sure but to say it's ginger would be pushing it. A reddish brown auburn it is described as and I would say that is enough to be kissed by fire.
The hound was driven by hate. Sandor is not. Sandor dying from an act of kindness and compassion would be a great way to end the character.
awesome. well said! =))
True chivalry.
Or he dies trying to murder his brother
If Fire is a synonym that GRRM uses for Life, has Sandor Clegane actually been afraid of Living all this time and the fire is actually the figurative part and not the literal?? Your videos provoke so much thought Kev, it has transformed my perspective of the books and the show. Go raibh maith agat. - The Irish term for thank you.
i effin LOVE word play and analysis like this. great interpretation and thanks for sharing!! =))
and thank me? no no. thank you!! =))
Uhmmm sorry but may I use this one for a essay I have to write in school? (I signed up for a literature class called "heros and antiheros" and I chose to analyse the hound) This is basically just so good! Omg xD
Totally use that!!
What a brilliant interpretation right. Im adding it to an upcoming video :))
Be my guest Kev your work is astounding and if I can help I am more than glad to do so. Word play is probably the most subtle thing in most situations it''s almost like magic itself! Keep those videos rolling my friend the fans need to hear your wonderful perspective.
if death pays for life, with the amount of blood Sandor has on his hands he could resurrect people like nobody's business.
jenny r The Night King has some competition.
Meet the new Night King? And Queen?
I think it was implied in The Stranger that Sandor has attoned. In retrospect, he has done some bad things, but he's never been a truly evil person. He's been cold, bitter and indifferent but not truly evil. He has committed some foul deeds in the name of others, but there have been some very early signs to suggest he's questioned the morality of these actions. He's done what he has done for survival, not out of a desire for power, love or greed.
“and I’m all that stands between you and your beloved king ...” - I guarantee you that at some point in S8 Sandor will literally be the only thing that’s standing between Sansa and the Night King...
Select Obvi agree
I love that idea!
@@Funnysterste it's ironic when he says that though. Sansa hated Joffrey and the Hound knew it so it still works
That can go several different ways. All valid
Thinking the same thing.
When you said GRRM uses “fire as a synonym for life” that could mean the title of the books “ A song of ice and fire” could be translated to mean “A song of death and life.” Ice being the opposite of fire and death being the opposite of life 🤔
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I like it!!! 👍
But fire consumes and ice preserves
Nice metaphore. And GRRM bookd is full of semiotic and metaphore and metonymy
I am such a fan of Sansa, they are hard to come by, I hope Sansa finds some happiness in the end. Her story ark from the beginning has been a lot of lows and not many payoffs. #teamsansa
Agreed
Just saw this today. Im.with ya, susan :))
I'm pushing for her and Podrick! He's sweet and would treat her fabulous...but this is also no Disney series 😂😂😂
Commenting months later...another fan of her character here. I’m the only one in my circle that sticks up for her LOL so I know she is unpopular. But I think she is one of the more complex characters who has had the most growth.
It took me awhile but Sansa surprised me. I have a lot of respect for her now.
Old George is definitely going to throw the dog a bone and have him end up with Sansa in the end. And imagine their giant warrior children protecting the north for years to come, that would be a fun touch in future stories yet to be told. Unfortunately our beloved offer won’t live the required 50 years to get through writing another series at his current pace.
So, Bridge, remember in season 1 when Lady gets sentenced to death by cersei? Well Rob (Baratheon) tells Ned to get Sansa a dog and she'll be happier for it in that same scene, and as we know, GRRM left clues about the ending in the first season, maybe this is a foreshadowing of Sansa eventually 'getting a dog'; The Hound, maybe they'll be married or he'll serve as one of her household guard. Just wanted to share this with you and see what you think
Yupm he's a stark dire old now. Mainly aray and sansas, in different ways. But now even jons diirewolf
Can't wait for his reunions..most are excited for arya. And I am too. But I'm most excited to see what goes down with sansa for the reason you mentioned :)
@@bridge4 I can't immagine Sandor's story not ending in at least a sliver of happiness, maybe we'll only see as far as the reunions he'll have and his service to the Starks', but I for one hope the Dire Hound has a happy ending with his little bird
@Alysandir who will be left of importance for Sansa to marry? If Sandor survives the Great War he could end up being one of the most important lords in Westeros. The marriage could be entirely about power and convenience and real love could develop later.
@@AnitaClue this is true because the war with the knight king will probably wipe out a lot of major male characters
@Alysandir yes but: 1) it's possible that a bunch of minor houses will be major ones after a bunch of major ones are wiped out. After the great war is done, there will be a lot more respect for those whose status is raised based on merit during the conflict. 2) who was bannermen to whom isn't going to matter after they've all faced a much worse common enemy, and the Northerners are going to be hardest hit by default because they are closer to the Wall, so there won't be as many of them around to complain either. 3) you can't please everyone, but Sandor and Sansa are only 8 years apart in the books, and while he's older in the show, so is she. That's not a huge gap, and age difference means very little in real life, let alone a fantasy world. If it means a somewhat happy ending for a character or two, HBO may well risk the wrath of those who might object.
The Lord of Light marked Sandor from an early age and then saved his life not just once in the Trial by Combat with Beric but twice when Thoros sacrificed himself to save him. If I didn't know any better I would say The Lord of Light has big plans for Sandor.
The Laughing Storm Born Again You bet! I'm with you, here.
i see this too!
The Lord of Light appears to have marked a number of people... Jon, Sandor, Beric.... Jaime, Sansa, Arya, Daenerys? Are they all collectively Azor Ahai or the LIGHT (Lightbringer) of the Seven (Seven Kingdoms)?
So yeah this is what I was going to say. If any character has become a believer in the Lord of Light after being an atheist, it's definitely Clegane. He was brought back from death AND saw a vision in the flames. And now he's fighting against the army of the dead. So I could definitely see a scene where he says something like, "If you saw fit to save me, save her." And it works.
He wants puppies the Lord of Light is a puppy lover.
I'll say this. I find it quite possible Sansa may actually dig Sandor. He is instrumental in her hardening up. He did everything he could to prevent her from giving Joffrey a reason to make him take her head. He doesn't want to do that, but he will if ordered. Within the parameters of his existence, he is an honorable man. Politics aside, them together makes more sense than Tyrion. At this point he would protect Sansa and Arya with his dying breath. So...In this case...Maybe the "Last Kiss" is really the first kiss, the first real kiss between them. I know it would certainly save my ugly old but. Imagine how that could help heal a cat like "The Hound".
The Hound: " You will be glad of the hateful things I do someday when you're QUEEN... and I am all that stands between you and your beloved [NIGHT] KING...". Yeah he may go down protecting Sansa. Also the scene when he puts his cloak over Sansa... isn't this part of the wedding ceremony? As if he "married" her and " brought her under his protection" .
He was also about to say something just as Tyrion came in and put a stop to that beating.
He was speaking about her with Joffrey at that particular time, that doesn't mean she'll be Queen.
RedRoseSeptember22 isn’t she queen of the north right now? Everyone knows he was talking about Joffrey but that doesn’t mean that situation can’t manifest itself differently over the coarse of time.
@@Diggsjp01 No, she is the Lady of Winterfel but that's not queen. Jon is the ruler of Winterfel and king of the north.
As if he "married" her and " brought her under his protection" .
The gods, old and new, agree with you. And their child shall be king.
An object is hung but a human is always hanged. Lol
Thanks for this reminder...nifty way to remember from an ole English major over here😉
Unless the object on the human is well hung ;)
... We are still talking about the hound, aren't we?
@@heroicactofvandalism ;-)
"Hanged, Amerei. Your father was not a tapestry."
Yeah, it would be a little creepy if "the stockings were hanged by the chimney with care". LOL
Wonder if Elder Brother gave Sandor the
Kiss when he found him half dead from the fight with Brianne. Sandor then threatened the Brother to teach him how to do that or else he would eat all the chickens on the island.
I hadbt even thought of that! Good call
I don't know. At that point he may have been only mostly dead and not needed the kiss of life.
AnitaClue May have or may have not and that’s why we can speculate for years with tricky George. Lol
Winds of winter soon tho. I feel it!! :-P
Doesn't seem like Sansa, Sansa is practically responsible for the entire north, Sandor's main role is to protect, it wouldn't make much sense for Sansa to give her life for Sandor's. Plus if Jon dies like he probably will, the north will really need Sansa. Also Sansa would probably not be in the thick of fighting with Sandor, but Sandor falling back to protect the Lady of the North is more probable.
Sansa dreamed of knights in shining armor then learned the hard way what assholes they truly were.
The Hound never became a knight because he already knew.
Shie lost Lady so early on but Sandor quickly filled her place as her protector.
It always seemed to me there was much more going to happen between them than they ever realized.
She had to learn were true beauty and goodness comes from and he had to realize he's no ones dog to kick around. That he has great value.
He sure does :))
Sāns in hindi (साँस) means breath
EDIT - also Arya means noble in Sanskrit and Hindi
Kumar wow awesome!!
Wow! I'd imagined that Sandor had come from Alexander and I read that Sansa came from a dead language meaning "dove." And now with you info, we see that George may have interwoven these 2 meanings, knowingly or not. Brilliant!!!!!
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@@sfjlfkjsdlfkjds Wow!!!! All this information is mindblowing!!!!! FANTASTIC!!! THANK YOU TO ALL!!!!
Yes, Kumar, I read that. George is such a genius!!! I love what you say about Sansa!
Elegance bringing Sansa back makes more sense because Berric told Clegane that the lord of light isn't done with him yet, he kept him alive for a purpose and being that Clegane is literally kissed by fire and can see visions in the flame now, it makes total sense. Thanks for this insight, I never even pondered it before but now I'm convinced. L8r bro!
the books and the show are not the same. think of them as parallel universes. similar but different.
I agree. All these points seem to not be reflected on the TV show.
Nevik I think if a lot of people took this perspective, they’d be a lot happier!
Now, I dread the death of my beloved Clegane, he is such an amazing character. But this one I think I might be all right with. As long as it was Sansa giving it to Sandor. It's rather poetic on the one hand, as she believes he both saved and kissed her, for her to repay him for both actions at once. But on the other, it'd be another empowering moment for Sansa, one where a male character furthers her storyline instead of a woman serving a man's. But above all that, I pray to the old gods and the new, that they get to be together in SOME fashion at the end of the series. As a Lady and her bodyguard, lovers, married, besties who go to the mall every weekend. I don't care just seven hells don't split them up!
Sansa and Sandor are going North, but never Summer...
Did you switch your sn or do I just know that one from my old IG??
Have never thought of this theory of the unkiss until now, but my guess is it wont be over a matter of death but will instead be over love or endearment Sansa will have for the Hound protecting Sansa and her family all of these years. I think the Hound wants to be loved but doesn't feel he deserves it because of how ugly he is, once Sansa shows her affection towards him, Sandor will become the white knight that he has wanted to be his entire life. Great video, I subbed!
Thanks Daniel :))
Could it be something simpler like, in that stress filled and emotional moment Sansa just misremembered the kiss later because deep down she either expected him to or wanted him too.
It's not unlikely since the city was under siege and Sansa would have thought he was going to kiss her because of the tone of the situation. So later after everything had calmed down she just thought he'd done so, we all know memories get hazy when there's stress.
Posisbly. But grrm said "that will eventually mean something," so it seems like the unkiss is related to something big
@@bridge4 True but it might mean something regarding Sansa's feelings for Sandor which I think George knows is what the book readers are keen for. But knowing George this one seemingly small thing might just turn into what you explained in the video. We'll see when this book is hopefully released in my lifetime
The unkiss just means Sansa liked Sandor as well, and there will be SanSan!
I think Sansa may be as scarred as Sandor under her clothes. Remember what she told Littlefinger about how she could still feel what Ramsey had done to her. Their scars might link them together even more.
Sandor as Prince Charming.....just like she always imagined. ..sort of. The singers would love that one.
I have a feeling it's Sandor. When Brienne and Arya left him to die, he was pretty much a goner if no one intervened. I'm figuring the Elder Brother did, used his own magic, and a bit of that was left with Sandor.
I thinks it’s funny how many ship SanSan but freak out about Arya and Gendry which is a MUCH closer age gap
Hey how about the fact that both Sandor and Sansa are referred to as "kissed by fire"?
Another reason I love your channel! You are so humble and man enough to offer different fan theories! Not everyone is humble enough to do the same on YT. Some GOT channels think that their theories are the last say in what characters or topics their video are covering. I absolutely love your channel! The bonus is your from NJ lol!
Woah. How did I miss this when I was listening to the books?
i didnt know about it until a year or two ago when Nymeria Darkstorm told me about it. i made a SanSan video. in the process of making a much better one tho =))
Boah.
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@@bridge4 What book/s did Sansa talk about the unkiss?
@@hhh1200 actually we can Jon and sansa have gone through similar experiences in life under different situations ,bringing sansa back to life will be another way of having Jon and sansa have gone through the same experience
I've read about this comment of Mr. Martin's several times and wondered about it.
I'd settle for either saving either as long as they're together.
Just one thing. Isn't there a dream Sansa has about a 'lap full of puppies '? Just clutching at straws here :) Fab video as always. Thank you
Don't know if that's a dream or just one of her thoughts. It might have been connected to the idea of being married to Willas Tyrell and becoming lady of Highgarden, but it could easily become true in another way. Martin likes doing that kind of thing.
I wonder if the ability to give the kiss of life requires a faith the god of fire/light, I am not certain Sandor is there yet, but your video reminded me of a prediction Tyrion made after Joffrey had her beaten and the Hound gave her his cloak he said "Sansa Stark you may just survive us all" I wonder about that prediction
i should have reminded people in video. Thoros was never a believer until AFTER he raised Beric (i dont even think the lord of light is real)
Yes to both of you, Bridge4 and brianashe 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@bridge4 I think he's real because Varas said the sorcerer who cut him spoke to a voice in the flame. The red priestess that visits the pyramid in Mereen pretty much confirmed that the voice Varas heard was R'hllor
I think R’hllor is probably real in some regard, but not actually a creator god. Probably more like some kind of demon, or some entity with genuine powers, though not full god level powers. We have evidence that there is someone on the end of the line, as you say with regard to the voice in the flames, and we have seen a lot of other evidence of genuine powers of followers of R’hllor - birthing shadows, visions of the future, reanimation of the dead, etc. Not a god, but something is doing that.
I love this theory Kev! It’s impressive how good you are at them, and I could definitely see this one coming to pass. It’s funny though because when I saw the very first clip you chose to show I immediately thought the video was going to be about how that line “You’ll be glad of the hateful things I do someday when you’re queen and I’m all that stands between you and your beloved king.” was about Sandor protecting Sansa from the Night King. 😂
It very well could be :))
And if Sam gives the hound his fathers Valyrian steel sword he may get the chance to do that
yup, I told ya, he saw stuff in the fire (arrowhead mountain, the dead marching), so Sandor does have access to magic. It is more likely Sandor brings Sansa back, coz, Sansa is pretty badass right now but way behind realizing her magical blood yet...she is almost where Jon was when the series began in terms of being no B.S. pragmatic.
Golbon Mol he was meant to see the visions, that day of the arrow headed mountain I think they were sent by the nk as part of his plan maybe nk is the Lord of light!! AA EVEN!!
Gavo Morg intersting take. In any case, he has accessed the canon.
Golbon Mol what is the he's accessed the Canon???
It would be pretty cool if the healer at the Quiet Isle gave The Hound the last kiss, that's how he survived after Arya left him dying, and then he subsequently gives it to Sansa. Just as Thoros gave it to Beric and he passed it on to Catelyn. The fact that Cat is Sansa's mother would make it even more complete and symmetrical.
That last line about ‘’Sansa bringing her direwolf back to life’’ got me thinking. At the start of season one the hound is a real douche, we see this when he kills mycah and jokes about it. Later during that very scene we witness Ned having to kill Lady. What i’m proposing is that a small piece of Lady’s soul found a place inside Sandor Clegane. We already know that this event was enough to trigger something spiritually inside Bran because he woke up (in the show) right after it happens. I think that this event at least triggered something in him that causes him to have a special connection to Sansa. We know that there’s alot of little girls he couldnt care less about, but with Sansa there’s something different and he can feel some kind of protective feeling toward her. This theory is really far fetched, but I feel like there should be some kind of spiritual connection between the two.
For part of Lady to go into Sandor would probably require him to be a skinchanger, and he's not. However, without a direwolf Sansa is in danger of losing some of her Starkness. She needs a strong protector of some kind. That could end up being Sandor with or without any romantic elements. Sansa also has a ton of bird imagery around her, maybe to indicate that it will be a challenge for her to stay grounded (like a direwolf) if she's not careful to remember who she is.
Damn!! They should make all your videos into a movie or series. You are the best GoT content creator out there. Alt-Shift is epic, but you got a style that makes me want to join a brotherhood, if you're in it. Great job.
lol, i dunno. but thanks as always for your support, man =))
my first favorite character was beric dondarrion btw (named my first clash of clan account "beric dondarrion") because i love the concept of fighting for those that cannot protect themselves =))
This theory makes sense. Sandor feared fire for most of his life- giving the last kiss to Sansa to bring her back will complete Sandor’s arc. Before, fire to him meant death. But now that his arc is complete, he’s realized fire also means life.
And both Kissed by Fire, in different ways.
I'm guessing you mean the end of the book series, because these connections would be nigh impossible to establish on the show, due to the changes and omissions, and hard even in the books (up to this point), as GRRM himself admits.
*Unless somehow established* in the few remaining episodes prior to the finale, it would seem completely out of the blue for "unqualified" characters to randomly start resurrecting others using a novelty to the show's continuity: the Kiss of Life.
Other than that, we agree on two points:
1. Arya, Gregor, Sandor and Sansa's storylines will converge and culminate together in a major way near the end.
(I've been commenting elsewhere that Arya & Sandor will kill Gregor together since March 2017)
2. Fire = Lifeforce (a staple in fantasy, sci-fi and cosmic horror).
I wonder if age-old characters such as Melisandre (especially after that revelation in s06e01), the Undying Ones, Bloodraven and (surprise here) Varys are, one way or another, _energy vampires_ who absorb the lifeforce of others via blood magic, to prolong their existence and delay death ("Not Today"), in an Only-Death-Pays-For-Life type of mystical exchange.
A somewhat overlooked story element that will most definitely be addressed in the show's final season.
Fingers consistently crossed for _A Dream of Spring_ to eventually see the light of day (pun intended).
Explain Varys?
I think it will take three to Kill Gregor. Arya and Sandor - third could be Ellaria Sand, or Nymeria, or the Night King. So Theon goes into the Red Keep dungeons to rescue his sister, and finds much more ... and the dragon skulls reanimate ...
Ohh...my heart. I still miss Sandor 😢
My favorite character in any show ever. I'm just glad he went out like he was supposed to. Epic death. The scenes with him and Arya are some of my favorite.
I swear you have a way going into detail and explaining that I'm convinced buy the end. Plus they make so much sense and I can't believe I missed it myself
The first time sandor said that 0:12-0:14 i just pictured a bruised sansa dressed in silks and done up like a lady with sandor clegane standing on her right side slightly in front of her as if daring anyone to try hurt her.
Doubt it the show would go that deep... but look forward to the book
Is there any other fan who just watched latest episode?
Looks like in some weird way it happend in the show. Even though there was not any romence they both saved eachother.
Hound helped her with being a stronger person, but mostly she was the one who saved him. Their reunion - I think she is the one who inspired him to face his fears, fight his abuser and finally end his suffering.
I love this! Their reunion in the latest episode was something I have been waiting for and it was so perfect. I hope this is true, if not in the show at least in the books.
seems unlikelyt for the show
and even in the books, i envision tyrion and sansa falling in love. but im still a sansan shipper regardless lol
@@bridge4 yea they are leading toward that which, I have to admit I would like as well.. But the hound is my #1 lol.
This is a great theory! It would be really sweet because Sandor would protect Sansa after everything she’s been through and Sansa would help him see the world differently
I have long suspected that Sandor was the "little brother" and that he would somehow end up killing cersei, to save his little 🐦 ??? Considering the mountain is the older brother of sandor and cersei's protector. Would be the greatest way to kick of clegane bowl....
It's been a couple yrs or so since my last reading of the books but
I don't remember it working the way you described with Thoros and Beric concerning the resurrections so to speak. I know that it chips off a piece of who Beric is each time he is brought back. The person he was is gone but I don't recall anything about it doing that to Thoros as well each time he performs it. I might have just forgotten it or overlooked it each time I have read the books, but I feel that even if it does its not to the same degree as Beric is losing. I believe that Thoros tried to bring back catlyn as well but it had been far to long after her death. I felt the primary reason was that the Lord of Light had no desire for her to be brought back. Only death can pay for life, unless it's the gods will. This is why it cost Beric his life. He gave her the kiss of life, meaning he gave his life for her to be brought back. I believe this is the only kiss in that sense that has been done throughout this story. Thoro's ritual for raising Beric would have been different and more similar to what the show depicted.
There's nothing in the books that says it does anything specific to Thoros, but that's where that one quote comes in about a seventh time possibly being the end of both Beric and Thoros. Could mean that this theory is correct, or it could mean that a seventh time there wouldn't be anything of Beric left, and all hell could break loose, resulting in all of them dying permanently. Interesting though that a R'hllorist is worried about something involving the number seven.
TBH idc which kisses whom as long as they both get a happy ending. These two have got to rank among the most luckless, beaten down figures in the entire Song of Ice and Fire. They Deserve a happy ending(just don't tell George I said that or they will both die horrid deaths)
lol i hear ya
ive watched alot of asoiaf videos, theories and live streams and this is the first time ive come across the unkiss , nice catch. strength before weakness
journey before destination, gancho =))
In she show, Sandor has started to see visions in the flames too, so he seems to be getting some red priest type powers. The two people that have given the last kiss so far have been the red priests Thoros and Melisandre.
The last thing you said … "bringing her dire wolf back to life" That could mean something also. The Hound replacing her now dead dire wolf.
The interaction between Sandor and Brienne at the end of season 7 stands out when they are talking about Arya. Brienne: "The only one who needs protecting is the one who gets in her way" Sandor: It wont be me. I think Sandor perceives this as provoking Arya, but what I read into was that Arya is going to need saving and the Hound will literally get in her way to stop whatever it is that threatens her life. Hence the hound needs protecting because he literally got in Aryas way. I hope not though, Sandor is King.
Beric gives The Last Kiss to the Hound, dead on the battlefield at Winterfell, dying in the process a la Lady Stoneheart.
The Hound gains the power of pyrokinesis, overturning his lifelong aversion to fire...and can wield a flaming weapon.
The flaming weapon he uses to kill the Mountain at "Cleganebowl".
Beric gains a vicarious revenge over the Mountain, who killed him in the first place.
I recall re-reading Clash recently, and in that, it is revealed that the Cleganes came to be in the service of the Lannisters, after three of their hounds killed a lion that was attacking Tywin Lannister's father/ grandfather. I theorised on another thread that this might foreshadow the Hound taking a role in destroying the Lannisters. It's worth noting that Sansa isn't the only Stark who has formed a bond with the Hound. He gradually formed an attachment to Arya too. Robert told Ned that Sansa would be happier with a dog. Both Stark girls have theoretically lost their direwolves but Sandor may come to fulfill the role of loyal protector in the same way as a real hound serves its master.
Well, it actually makes sense. If the whole Last Kiss thing is correct and Sandor is giving Sansa the kiss, he'll be the only that stands between her and her "beloved" king, Joffrey, who's dead. He won't let Sansa be with Joffrey.
Hi! I am so glad you had posted on the Unkiss since you're on the Sandor trail (arguably the best character in ASOIAF). I had thought alot about the Unkiss and felt that potentially, Sandor resurrecting Sansa with the Last Kiss could be a possibility as well.
Coming up to S8, when the characters end up at King's Landing for the final battle. There are huge speculations that our heroes (those that fight for the living) will be confronted with a double threat at the same time: 1) the Others will be taking down the city as well as 2) Mad Queen Cersei will be hatching her plan to blow up the city with Wildfire. There are strong evidences leading to Jon being captured by the Golden Company at the previous Battle at Winterfell which will result in our remaining characters going south to save him. When they reach KL, Cersei could possibly scheme the kidnap and murder of Sansa (to rile her enemies), and Arya and the Hound will go on a secret mission to free Jon and take revenge for Sansa's demise. The rest will be fighting the Others. My speculation would be that Jamie dies in the fight, and in the arms of Brienne and Arya will take his face. My speculation is that Cersei will hang and display Sansa's dead body for her enemies to see. In anger and respect for her lost, Sandor and Arya will retrieve her body which will fuel their hatred for Cersei.
Arya (disguised as Jamie) and Sandor will eventually find Cersei. Cleganebowl WILL take place whilst Cersei is being attacked by Arya/Jamie, however before she dies, she will issue the call to explode caches of Wildfire all over KL. But when Arya kills her, it will fulfill the Valonqar prophecy. Sandor would be fatally injured but just before he dies, will will give the dead Sansa his Last Kiss (as Wildfire caches explode) fulfilling perhaps a greenseer's vision Sansa had always known, "He had come to Sansa in the darkness as green fire filled the sky."
What do you think.
Sandor has clearly no beliefs in any sort of religion, but the path he has taken in the show could lead him to this Last Kiss theory. He has seen Thoros raise Beric after he killed him and he's also had that vision in the hearth in S7. If she were to die in front of him, it could be his last resort, out of love.
Sandor believes in the 7. not devout, but he tried paying over the farmer/daughter's grave in s7
Which leads back to there being no Gods, just magic, which can be used by pure belief. I agree that out of love, he can certainly tap into the magic and revive her.😊 Very sleeping Beauty... almost too warm and fuzzy to expect from GRRM.
That Queen forshadowing has just confirmed what I always thought,That Sansa and not Margery or Dany will dethrone Cersei. The Show visually displays it...Cersei has put the Lannister lions in as the symbols on the walls of the throne room,yet in dany's vision when she gets to the iron throne,it's covered in ice. and the symbols of the seven are in place.. which means Someone else dethrones Cersei before Dany gets there.. If you look at the opening of the show you see the thing that hangs from the roof of the high citadel and at one point glasses ,the type a master where's as the map is unfolding.. Take it as someone from the future reading what we see occurring in the show in a book in the high citadel... Sansa always wanted to be a girl who's songs where written about...and Sam wanted to write a book with more fancy name... The series is called "A song of ice and fire" Could it be Sam survives and recounts it all from his perspective into book form..with a nod to Sansa...
for sure. sam will need the help of others tho. like gilly, tyrion, bran, etc =))
That’s a cool theory. I’m not finished reading all the books yet but I’m going to keep looking for hints of this.
I wonder what this means for magic as a whole. Since it’s all but certain the dragons and direwolves are going to die and the White Walkers can’t just be killed, or killing them will only further the cycle of violence, and magic is disappearing from the world, if The True Kiss will be one of the last acts of magic or if it’ll work as intended. What if Sandor/Sana’a comes back and that piece of them that loved the other is missing, just how part of Beric was missing.
I can see Sansa and The Hound together. I feel Arya AND Brienne would both approve therefore everyone else would too😊😊😊 Sansa's guard would basically be 2nd to none😎😎😎 I mean Brienne her knight, Sandor her husband and an ex-Faceless assassin her sister!!! Shoot, untouchable😎😎😍
Sounds good to me :))
That would be a good end for the House Stark for sure. It would be interesting "Westeros remembers" what the North has been through and has done for the Seven Kingdoms.
Edna Santamaria I can imagine Arya gaping with incredulity that he’s her new brother-in-law! But he has been a fatherly/big-brother/cantankerous drunk uncle figure to her since the Brotherhood, and she took him off her list, so... It would be entertaining to see Sandor Clegane sparring verbally with Brianne of Tarth, they are such polar personalities - with the same intense loyalty to their own codes and unlikely ‘true knights’.
I swear these vids are like a lecture in school that I actually throughly ENJOY 😊 freakin awesome bro!
I think it would be poetic Justice for Sansa to give Sandor the magic Last kiss Via some act of affection. The kind that Sandor wishes he had authentically received in his life.
I think the Elder Brother did the last kiss on Sandor, because he did seem pretty close to dead when Arya left him.
Also, it could explain why he's "different" when he came back, because the part of him that was lost was the Hound.
(So, maybe when the Elder Brother tells Brienne that the Hound died, he wasn't exaggerating.)
I hope this means they both live, they have to. I can't handle any more dying, please.
Also, I think the scene you used, at the Battle of the Blackwater, is a clue to her becoming queen. Probably not, but possibly.
But I don't want anyone to die. I just can't think of anyone I could handle, except for Euron. Who do you think will die, of all characters, and who definitely won't die
Sansa doesn't need to become a queen though. That's what she wanted when she was a naive little girl with a head full of romantic dreams. Now that she's grown up she may find she'd rather be anywhere but King's Landing so she can have a life defined on her terms, rather than doing what she's told like an animated doll.
Everyone knows a kiss begins with KAY.
It's amazing you take time to read all the comments on your videos and you even leave a comment and smiley sometimes :) sorry not related, everybody has already commented their thoughts (sorry for my english, it's my 2nd language)
Work by a, "Woodbridge" in Jersey love the content. The only hint of an accent from the Garden State is when you say, "Water" or rather, "Warrter" I travel the country installing Cellular Infrastructure and no one can guess where I am from until I ask for a glass of Waatter.
Lol do I say warrtar??? That's hilarious. Bc I've always mocked my south jersey friends for saying it that way (their accent is a lot different and their warter really hammers on the r)
I think it would be awesome if Sansa used it on the hound. Would be a tad less impactful the other way around kind of like a cop out for a major characters death.
Question... wasn't the unkiss before he left kingslanding and met boros? If so how can he know about magic and perform the "kiss of life"
this kiss of life would hypothetically happen later, during the war for the dawn
I know the night king (show one) isnt in the books but the show one showed up for the first time at the hardhome mission which to my knowledge hasn't happened yet in the books so he could actually show up in the books to at hardhome. Yes i know that he briefly shows up in season four but thats in the land of always winter, there was only walkers there and the books only show things from a characters POV so we wouldn't see that season 4 scene in the book unless there's a POV character to witness it. I know its off topic but i just wanted to put this idea out there.
Hardhome happens offscreen on the books
The nk in the show is probably tjr nights king in the books, despite most of the community denying it
@@bridge4 but jon was still planning to go to hardhome but got killed before he could so none of our POVs have been there to see the night king yet
@@bridge4 i do agree though that the nights king and night king are the same for the show and the books if he actually shows up
Gave me chills! Amazing narration / explanation of a compelling theory. 💖
There is no indication in either books or shows that either T Hound or Sansa follow the Lord of Light, have healing skills on par with Thoros of the Brother or are otherwise capable of performing such magic. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.....
great vid! i love the nuanced stuff from the books being revealed to us show only fans
Thanks :))
I think that Arya telling the Hound that one day she will stick a sword through his eye and out the back of his head may also come into play. Possibly as a mercy when he's on fire or turned into a wight.
I also still think she fits the prophecy of Azor Ahai because there are at least two major events in her life that fit being "reborn amidst smoke and salt". The first was the Red Wedding and the latter was the port where she caught the ship to Bravos. The smoke is from the fighting at the Twins and at the port, there are large piles of salt.
Ha! Literally the first potential plotline for season 8 that I can get on board with!I would very much like this to be true - Sandor needs to truly save someone to forgive himself, to regain any happiness at all. And their connection is real, so much more so in the books than the show as you pointed out. Yes! I like this. Sandor will save Sansa and will become a hero. Whether a dead or alive hero I do not know, but he will find his redemption. Please, make it so :)
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Hi I am new to this channel. Just want to know id Bridge4 referse to the books with Kaladin, Dalanar etc.?
You know it, gancho :))
Love this video (I always get downvoted when I talk about Sandor and Sansa's ultimate arc). as an adjunct, remember that the Hound was the FIRST to cloak Sansa when being beaten, which is a symbol of marriage. He leaves that white cloak with her and she continues to use it around her. And I think she semi warged her "wolf" during the bedroom scene both in the book and the show ( remember GRRM himself wrote that scene for the show. she fugues out while staring at Sandor, and he stumbles backwards). when she apologizes to him before that in the hallway, he says he will stand between her and her beloved King. That's the Night King. And Sandor's death scene with Arya was basically if I had had just ONE loving moment with "your sister, your pretty sister", my dying would be okay. But the biggie in the show later was - The conversation between Thoros and the Hound in the far north while seemingly about Brienne, inmho was subtextually about the Hound and Sansa. I believe she will get pregnant by him, he dies saving her, and she and Tyrion raise those great big monstrous children. as Sandor says during the trial in the cave, I never touched the targaryen children, never smelled them, never held them bawling. no he won't hold his own children either - . sansa will have tyrion there at the birth, with Sam assisting. Sam, have you ever birthed a child? no, but i've read about in a book.... I think Sansa has a difficult birth with twins. she lives though. her vision at the Vale clearly shows her with PUPPIES on her lap, one of which looks like Arya who was mistaken as Sandor's son several x on the road.
Hm, no. I have loved all the other theories I have checked out after discovering this channel today, but this one I don't see happening.
For the Last Kiss to have the proper strong emotional meaning this close to the end of the story, it has to be someone giving up their life for the other person (like when Beric revives Catelyn as Lady Stoneheart in the books); it can't be one of the "earlier" kisses where you just give up *a bit* of your life force (like when Thoros revives Beric multiple times). So one of the two persons has to die to save the other.
Sansa isn't even aware of this type of magic, so if she somehow managed to sacrifice her life to save Sandor without evening understanding or knowing it, it would just be tragic. And if Sandor has to give up his life to save Sansa, then you can't get the scene where he receives the gift of mercy that you described in an earlier video. Of these two potential deaths for Sandor, I find the other one much more likely, especially considering how emotional it will be (I cried just watching that video and imagining seeing it in the series). So this theory ... there just isn't any room left for it in the story, in my opinion.
As for how Sansa's memory of the "unkiss" will eventually mean something, I cannot guess, but I don't think this is it.
So I'm on my 2nd read of Storm and in Sansa's final chapter (which has so many references to her being frozen in the snow) I had this "holy crap!" moment and had to come find this video! (Apols if someone has already said this, it just hit me!) In that chapter, Marillion comes to escort Sansa to Lysa in the high hall. He says he is sent to 'bring her' and she asked if he is the guardsman now. "Do you require guarding?" he asks, all subtly reminding us of the hound, bringing her, guarding her whatever... and then this: "I'm composing a new song, you should know. A song so sweet and sad it will melt even your frozen heart" 😱😱 I'm with you on this now Kev, 100%! Sandor will give Sansa the last kiss! (I'm not happy about it, but it looks like it's right there 😭)
If the person needs to know about the existence of magic for magic to become real, how would Sansa be able to save The Hound if she's never seen or experienced The Last Kiss before? Based on that, it seems more likely to me that The Hound is the one who saves Sansa...
agreed.. i prfer it that way. the only benefit of the reverse is that itd be romanticly cute. the little bird extending the first (and last) kiss =))
so that's interesting .. Sandor, who's afraid of fire, may resurrect Sansa in the ways of the god of fire, Rhllor. So maybe if this is true he first will have to somehow overcome his fear of fire
What if Rhllor is just an alternate spelling of R'lyeh and the god of fire is ... Cthulhu and god of Euron and the Iron Isles?
Damn, I wish I was clever enough to think up these theories, they really give me food for thought.
Sandor will save Sansa and she will marry... Robyn Arryn. After the Ragnarök, "the völva sees the earth reappearing from the water, and an eagle [Arryn] over a waterfall hunting fish [Tully/Stark] on a mountain". Sansa Stark-Arryn will be the Queen of Westeros.
GRRM borrows heavily from all kinds of mythologies and histories, but he always puts his own spin on things to create a unique and original story. I doubt anything we could come up with based on either history or mythology will turn out to be part of the actual ending.
Was that not the guy who found the hound dying where Arya left him? Maybe he gave sandor the kiss. If so deceiving the kiss would mean you can pass it on as beric did to Katelyn
i hadnt considered that until i read comments. its possible! and i dig it. good call =))
Something I always wondered was if at the Battle of Blackwater before the hound walked away. Is it possible he saw something in the flames of the man running at him that made him question everything, and then go look for Sansa and head north?
Yikes. For me, this is another clue that the world is "looping". Perhaps the Hound did kiss her in a different loop. Doesn't take much for my imagination to latch onto something unlikely and run with it. Time to revisit my looping theory and see if I can come up with something new. :-) Thank you for another great video.
It would be great if somehow they all ended up in Kings Landing and the following happened. If Cersei ordered The Mountain to kill Sansa and The Hound got involved to try and save her but was killed. Arya could witness this and run in to try save Sansa and try to kill The Mountain because she is on her list and she just seen him kill Sandor who was protecting her sister. Arya is losing the fight badly, The Mountain snaps needle like a twig and tosses it away and that is when Sansa gives The Hound the last kiss to bring him back to life. He rises and ignites his own sword just like Beric and Thorus used to do, saves Arya and defeats The Mountain.
That'd be sick
Ser* :-P
So. Much. Yes!
The hound lighting up is big ass sword would be epic. And I don't think he would be scared of the flame because he just died and came back
and then the sword ignites the wildfire ... boom!
Based on the book passages I would lean towards the Hound giving the last kiss to Sansa. However, I would put money on Cersei, not the Night King, as the party responsible for Sansa's demise. Sansa will likely be on the receiving end of a Cersei plot (that might conveniently involve Gregor Clegane) to take her life and the Hound, per the foreshadowing involving 'the king', will attempt to intervene or arrive too late and avenge her death (thus achieving closure with his brother). Thanks to his newfound faith in the Lord of Light the Hound successfully manages to impart the 'last kiss' to Sansa, thus setting her up for the final act involving the Night King.
Lord of light isn't real and sander doesn't believe in it. Sandor tried a prayer to the 7 in season 7 when they gave the nod to him as the gravedigger :))
You may not believe in the Lord of Light but the Lord of Light believes in you... ;) Great channel, keep up the good work!
Sansa is red haired, hence she is a kissed-by-fire girl. The fire represents Sandor Clegane.
Because of his history with Sansa, I thought it was strange for Sandor to tell Tormund (in the show) that he hated gingers. Maybe it was just another way to say F off.
I thought Sansa had brown hair in the books
Auburn. Robb, her, bran, and rickon had the Tully coloring. Blue eyes. Auburn hair. Pale
@@bridge4 Oh yes you're right. I'm not a native English speaker so i thought Auburn was a shade of brown :')
Oh OK well actually you were right. It''s a reddish brown..and same with Robb and the others. Their hair was redish brown.
But starks are straight brown. So the redish tint distinguished the 4 from Jon and arya, who looked like ned (and thus, lyanna)
GRRM says that something will eventually pay off...Yeah, if he ever actually FINISHES THE DAMN BOOKS!
Sorry for ranting. It's just really frustrating, because I've read up through A Dance With Dragons, and I really want to see what happens next in the books.
There are a few questions i find unanswered that tells me they have something to do with the ending of the show. Questions i dont see anyone else ask.
Sandor already was kissed by fire. Remember the conversation betwen Sandor and Thormond. It actualy all makes sence, the reason why he found his faith in the Lord of light and why he is still alive.Great Video!
I think you're onto something very solid here. Sandor saved Sansa and Arya before, and would again with the last..or is it the first 👄? Thanks, love Qot🌹
I sorta remember the kiss thing in the books. I was confused, because I couldn't recall any kiss between them. Could you help me out, though? I don't understand why she believes a kiss happened, when it never. I just.... I don't get it! Lol
The Starks tend to have dream or wolf dreams. Mayhaps she had a dream that seem too real?
@@Che_sells_Cshells Damn it, I never even considered that! There's no reference (as far as I know) to Sansa having wolf dreams, so that thought never entered my mind whatsoever. Good call, though. You never know with GRRM :)
At the time of the Hound leaving, when finding Sansa, she thought he was about to kiss her - as he leaned in close. If I recall, Sansa closed her eyes to prepare for it... but it never came.
I don't think it was dream based, rather, merely wanting a past event to happen differently. To the point where you believe your own lies - to an extent.
Sansa had a solid year+ of distress in King's Landing prior, so I wouldn't put it past her to latch onto someone who treated her properly (without all the deceit).
Sandor makes a big deal about him not being a Knight. Maybe he's merely a Night.
Unreliable narrator. She remembers it because of the wild emotions of the night as a whole (blackwater), her fear of sandor, mixed with presumably her love for sandor :))
I'm am trying to keep my makeup straight but I squealed at 4 min 35 seconds and teared up HEART STRINGS SNAPPED so sweeeeeeeeeeet !!
I prefer SanSan babies
What was 435, was that the "he's already died in her arms...at harrenhal!!
I was suddenly scared when I found the brienne holding rely line in the show. Then I went right t books and saw the same thing as literally flipped out. Went to record a rant on camera. And as I was about to start I was like "holy moly! She's already held Jaime!!" And as pathetic as this sounds, it was really happiest moment of my year so far lol
@@bridge4 no that was the Jamie video 🤣I comment too much sorry at 4 min 35 seconds on THIS video was when you said he would die saving her or she would die saving him on the Jamie video I was emotional about him dying a hero 😘
Oh wow.the days are blurring together. Good thing I'm finally taking a much needed day off today for lindsey Stirling :))))
@@bridge4 😘