I have tried some 150 Jacketed bullets in reloads but they did not shoot as accurate as I would like in my rifle, although they were certainly good enough for hunting at a reasonable distance.
Slow burning powder means a spread out pressure curve rather than a pressure spike of fast burn. But must have enough barrel to burn full charge. I think a sabot round of 65 grain spitzer boat tail would make the 30/30 a great flat shooting varmint. Maybe 4350.
The idea was to see if the lower peak pressure would be easier on a cast bullet while providing reasonable velocity, while these were a little slow I was pleased with the load overall. I've seen a few guys try the old Remington 30/30 "Accelerator" sabot rounds and while they were very fast accuracy was poor.
Good Video. I may be wrong, But I believe that in some countries (Like in South America) any Military dimensioned ammunition and firearms that chamber it is prohibited from the general public. Savage and Remington offered these rifles as exports to those countries to expand sales. The 30-30 is a game getter and a highly accurate round when loaded properly. That Savage 340 is a classic, I would love to have one in 30-30 as a cast bullet gun. Love the Video content. Dave.
I believe those same restrictions have made other rounds popular overseas, for instance the .222 Rem that was chambered in the Ruger Mini 14 and other guns in place of the .223 Rem.
Just makes me wonder what I can do with slow burning powders and some different 168s that I have in the 30 Remington. I'll get around to trying some of them soon, I got close to 100 of the hard to find brass. I'd be shooting them out of a 141.
I'm 4831 is my go to favorite powder for my 7mm. Being a medium burn speed powder, it may be to slow for the 30-30. Idk just my guess is all. Keep up the good work!
4831 is considered a slow burner, in fact it is slower than 4350. It normally would be too slow for the 30/30 with jacketed bullets, however a cast bullet will generally give a lot more velocity with a given powder charge than it will with a jacketed bullet. The idea behind using it is that the pressure curve is not as "steep" as it would be with a faster bullet, this causing less stress on the bullet which may contribute to better accuracy.
FWIW, I came up with ME of 1352 ft./lbs. for the Winchester brass and 1400 ft./lbs. for the Federal cased loads. Interesting to see cast bullets I a rifle round. Not a very common practice anymore. I believe he original .30-30 round pushed a 165 gr. bullet out the barrel @ 2000 fps. Sounds like you were trying to emulate that loading. Very comfortable to shoot, I imagine. Thanks for posting the video. Very enjoyable watch. =)
As an example factory load lets use a Winchester 170 grain Power Point, Winchester rates that load as 2200 fps, however that is with a 24" long test barrel, however with the shorter barrel found on the 340 performance is generally 2050 fps or so. So the cast load is close in velocity performance to a factory load, which was one objective. The real test was to see if lower burning powder was easier on the cast bullet than a faster powder. The big surprise was the very consistent velocity readings obtained.
No , you are correct it is a magazine not a clip. However, because of people butchering the English language it now is correct to call it either from what I have been told in shooting articles.
I just find it mildly amusing that they actually marked the magazine as a "clip". To many (possibly most) hunters a magazine is a clip. Numerous times I've been in gun shops or at gun shows and overheard guys looking for a "clip" for their rifle.
Great videos of the Savage 340 and the different powders you are using. I have a Savage 840 with the carbine barrel ( 18.5 inch ) I had rechambered to the .30-30 Winchester Ackley Improved. Been getting good results from H4895 with 130 grain Speer FN and 125 grain Hornady and Sierra spire / spitzer bullets. Have not chronographed yet, just been trying for accuracy. Keep up the great videos, as a side note, did you buy or cast those bullets yourself?
I tried some 130 grain Hornady bullets in mine, but the accuracy was nothing special if I remember the results correctly. I think I used 3031 with those (I don't have my notes handy at the moment). As for the cast bullets used in the video they were ones I cast myself.
Yes, I have used a fair bit of 3031 in this round, but I had an old can of 4831 that I figured I would try out as I wanted to try slow powder with cast in the 30/30.
I have shot some reloads with 150 grain jacketed pointed bullets but I was disappointed with the accuracy. One issue with any pointed bullets is the length of round that will fit into the magazine, the rifle chamber has a throat cut for the regular 170 round nose and so pointed bullets end up being quite far back off the rifling and I suspect this "jump" contributes to the lack of accuracy.
Very cool video, I almost bought a bolt action 30.30 didn’t buy because it had to many taps on the receiver. What is u used a smaller grain bullet to achieve higher velocities?
Actually the bullet I'm using is 180 grains compared to the traditional standard of 170 grains, and the velocity is slightly less than with a factory 170 grain bullet.
It's certainly a tried and proven powder, however these loads with the slow 4831 are better performing with cast bullets than the results I have had so far with 3031.
IMR3031 is my old standby..... consistent ...... and bolt action enabled to shoot boatail spire projectiles with which I got tremendous results.....damn near a .308 ..... try that and you will be shocked at long range results out to 800 yards...... I ran it out hot
Yes 3031 is a very good choice for the 30/30, I have done a fair bit of shooting with it in this caliber with both jacketed and cast bullets. However the objective with this load was to try a much slower than normal powder to see what results could be had with cast bullets. Slow powders like this generate much less initial pressure and are therefore easier on cast bullets, not accelerating them as quickly and hopefully causing less deformation while still getting good velocity. As for case stretching I have not noticed any undue stretching with brass fired in my 340, however it is front locking and I also generally neck size my brass. A rear locker like a Winchester 94 will stretch cases more and so will full length sizing.
What kind of groups do you get with factory ammo? Is there any practical use for your cast load except shooting paper. I don't think it will expand at that velocity.
Nice to see Canadian summer again. Shawn, are you sure you shooting high enough through the Crony, it seemed to me you made the wire flinch right inside of it?
Yes, it's nice to be into summer again. As for the bullet in relation to the machine, it's path is about 4" above the machine, the movement of the machine is due to the muzzle blast.
I used to own a Chrony that measured in meters and my friend gave me a combination rifle with a very light trigger, and I shot the screen stand on the right side. Love, Yevgen.
Most dirt just floats to the top of the pot when melted and can be skimmed off. If you properly clean and flux any lead, including WW alloy, you will get rid of the dirt/grit in it.
I know that 4831 is not a conventional choice for 30/30, however the point of using it was to see if it would allow close to factory velocity while not being excessively hard on the relativity fragile cast bullets.
No I do not. Bullets are cast from wheel weight alloy and water quenched out of the mold. Your guess as to a number is a good as mine, but they are quite hard.
I would not load any "hotter" for the 340 than I would for a Winchester or Marlin Lever gun as the Savage is a single lug design bolt. The great thing about these slow powder loads is that they are actually lower pressure than loads using standard powders.
No, I don't think it would be a good choice for such a light bullet in the 30/30 as 4831 is quite slow burning. For 110 grain bullets you would be better off with a faster burning powder like 4198.
I realize that you are trying for 2000 fps but no critter is going to be able to tell the difference in 150 fps + or -. 1850 with air cooled wheel weights will kill any deer that ever walked.
No doubt that is true, but the goal was to match the jacketed speed and accuracy with a cast load. If I were going hunting with a reload I certainly would pick a somewhat slower but more accurate load over a faster but less accurate one. Of course the best would be a fast, accurate load.
John Wayne One of my 340’s is the .225. It’s also my most accurate 340. I also have the .222, .22Hornet and a couple 30-30’s. That said, I only shoot factory Winchester 55gr loads. One thing I’ve noticed and have read from other owners, is the pressure. When I shoot I can feel the bolt throw is tight when I extract the round. And the primer is really flat. I’m going to experiment with reloading and see if I can lower the pressure a bit from the factory round.
You can load it down some. But only what your wasting out the end of your barrel, otherwise you won’t get 4300 FPS out of it. My 225 in a win 70 had a 26” barrel. It weighs 9 lbs. with a 6x scope. It doesn’t seem to have fried it’s riffling any. It actually a fam member rifle. Hard to find cartridges for it. 2020 is the 5 year. Run by Winchester isn’t it . And the will sell brass on the cheap cheap. Those loads are weals your shooting, put a pinch of magnum in on top of your load . That will wake it up!
Yes rounds loaded with those would fit the mag just fine but the diameter of most 7.62x39 bullets is .3105" to .311" and so a bit big for a barrel designed for .308" bullets.
You should chamber , remove , and inspect your long loads . I would be concerned about jamming the round into the mouth of the barrel . No free movment at ignition can result in high chamber pressure , maybe not so much with cast bullits but you never know . A lifes lesson " the more that I learn , the less that I know "
in my experience it's not an issue with the cast bullets as they are soft and take the rifling easily. With jacketed bullets it's certainly a thing to avoid.
Thank you for posting this . I have the same rifle in 3 calibers, .22 hornet . .222 rem. and .30-30. I will be giving your load a try .
That's a nice collection of 340's you have, I would like to pick of a 340 in .22 Hornet someday.
Finally, I have found the illusive 30 caliber clip!
And it's not as menacing as one would expect...
@@314299 It would be more dangerous if it had "that shoulder thing that goes up"!!!
I like a jacketed pointed soft point 150 grain, GREAT deer load
I have tried some 150 Jacketed bullets in reloads but they did not shoot as accurate as I would like in my rifle, although they were certainly good enough for hunting at a reasonable distance.
I'm impressed👍👌💥 thanks for the video brother
Thanks for the feedback.
Awesome, love it, can't wait to work up a load when I get off this dang boat.
Yeah, hard to indulge your reloading/shooting hobby when you are on a boat!
Watch his boat overturn and sink along with all of his guns. Dang it.
I love that rifle, its so simple
Yeah, they are basic but solid.
314299 Shooting Channel that’s kinda savages motto.
Slow burning powder means a spread out pressure curve rather than a pressure spike of fast burn.
But must have enough barrel to burn full charge.
I think a sabot round of 65 grain spitzer boat tail would make the 30/30 a great flat shooting varmint.
Maybe 4350.
The idea was to see if the lower peak pressure would be easier on a cast bullet while providing reasonable velocity, while these were a little slow I was pleased with the load overall.
I've seen a few guys try the old Remington 30/30 "Accelerator" sabot rounds and while they were very fast accuracy was poor.
Good Video. I may be wrong, But I believe that in some countries (Like in South America) any Military dimensioned ammunition and firearms that chamber it is prohibited from the general public. Savage and Remington offered these rifles as exports to those countries to expand sales. The 30-30 is a game getter and a highly accurate round when loaded properly. That Savage 340 is a classic, I would love to have one in 30-30 as a cast bullet gun. Love the Video content. Dave.
I believe those same restrictions have made other rounds popular overseas, for instance the .222 Rem that was chambered in the Ruger Mini 14 and other guns in place of the .223 Rem.
I owned a 340
I used 4227 in mine for cast
Also used 4198
Worked great
IMR 4227 is a powder I plan on trying in this rifle as well, I have used 4198 and it worked well and it is an easy powder to get around these parts.
Just makes me wonder what I can do with slow burning powders and some different 168s that I have in the 30 Remington. I'll get around to trying some of them soon, I got close to 100 of the hard to find brass. I'd be shooting them out of a 141.
Let us know how your experiments work out.
Pretty good accuracy for a cast bullet load.
I thought the results were pretty decent.
@@314299 I have a similar load for my Mossberg 464 with powder coated bullets but I haven't seen how they will group yet. Time to go to the range.
Good to see a new video!
I've not put out much content over the last while, but perhaps I can get back to regular uploads.
My favorite hunting rifle
They are an underrated rifle.
I'm 4831 is my go to favorite powder for my 7mm. Being a medium burn speed powder, it may be to slow for the 30-30. Idk just my guess is all. Keep up the good work!
4831 is considered a slow burner, in fact it is slower than 4350. It normally would be too slow for the 30/30 with jacketed bullets, however a cast bullet will generally give a lot more velocity with a given powder charge than it will with a jacketed bullet. The idea behind using it is that the pressure curve is not as "steep" as it would be with a faster bullet, this causing less stress on the bullet which may contribute to better accuracy.
FWIW, I came up with ME of 1352 ft./lbs. for the Winchester brass and 1400 ft./lbs. for the Federal cased loads.
Interesting to see cast bullets I a rifle round. Not a very common practice anymore.
I believe he original .30-30 round pushed a 165 gr. bullet out the barrel @ 2000 fps. Sounds like you were trying to emulate that loading. Very comfortable to shoot, I imagine.
Thanks for posting the video. Very enjoyable watch. =)
As an example factory load lets use a Winchester 170 grain Power Point, Winchester rates that load as 2200 fps, however that is with a 24" long test barrel, however with the shorter barrel found on the 340 performance is generally 2050 fps or so. So the cast load is close in velocity performance to a factory load, which was one objective. The real test was to see if lower burning powder was easier on the cast bullet than a faster powder. The big surprise was the very consistent velocity readings obtained.
What kind of sorcery is this?
The IMR kind.
H335 was always my Go to powder for
30/30...
You shot cast bullets or jacketed with H335 in your 30/30?
No , you are correct it is a magazine not a clip. However, because of people butchering the English language it now is correct to call it either from what I have been told in shooting articles.
I just find it mildly amusing that they actually marked the magazine as a "clip". To many (possibly most) hunters a magazine is a clip. Numerous times I've been in gun shops or at gun shows and overheard guys looking for a "clip" for their rifle.
@@314299 🙂👍yes so have I heard them ask for clips.
I wish I had never sold my 340!
I'm sure you could always find another if you want to replace it.
@@314299 I have seen several but didn't have the funds avail at the time. Missed 3 on gunbroker last month.
Wish they still made that rifle
If they did I think they would cost quite a bit more than the current budget rifles, if for no other reason than the 340 has a the wood stock.
Great videos of the Savage 340 and the different powders you are using. I have a Savage 840 with the carbine barrel ( 18.5 inch ) I had rechambered to the .30-30 Winchester Ackley Improved. Been getting good results from H4895 with 130 grain Speer FN and 125 grain Hornady and Sierra spire / spitzer bullets. Have not chronographed yet, just been trying for accuracy. Keep up the great videos, as a side note, did you buy or cast those bullets yourself?
I tried some 130 grain Hornady bullets in mine, but the accuracy was nothing special if I remember the results correctly. I think I used 3031 with those (I don't have my notes handy at the moment).
As for the cast bullets used in the video they were ones I cast myself.
Interesting powder choice. Are you considering 3031? Perhaps you have done so already.
Yes, I have used a fair bit of 3031 in this round, but I had an old can of 4831 that I figured I would try out as I wanted to try slow powder with cast in the 30/30.
Have you worked up any rounds with the ballistic tip ? And if so what kind of difference in velocity do you see with the pointy ones?
I have shot some reloads with 150 grain jacketed pointed bullets but I was disappointed with the accuracy. One issue with any pointed bullets is the length of round that will fit into the magazine, the rifle chamber has a throat cut for the regular 170 round nose and so pointed bullets end up being quite far back off the rifling and I suspect this "jump" contributes to the lack of accuracy.
Very cool video, I almost bought a bolt action 30.30 didn’t buy because it had to many taps on the receiver. What is u used a smaller grain bullet to achieve higher velocities?
Actually the bullet I'm using is 180 grains compared to the traditional standard of 170 grains, and the velocity is slightly less than with a factory 170 grain bullet.
One of the few 30-30 in a bolt action I've seen .
Remington made the 788 in 30/30 as well, one of those would be nice to have.
I kick myself for leaving a Model 54 Winchester in the used rack thirty years ago.
I've heard about those in 30/30 but have never seen one myself.
Always been a avid fan of the 3031 in the .30-30.
It's certainly a tried and proven powder, however these loads with the slow 4831 are better performing with cast bullets than the results I have had so far with 3031.
IMR3031 is my old standby..... consistent ...... and bolt action enabled to shoot boatail spire projectiles with which I got tremendous results.....damn near a .308 ..... try that and you will be shocked at long range results out to 800 yards...... I ran it out hot
don't forget that the 30-30 cases have a tendency to "grow" in length especially with hot loads and must be shortened every 2-3 reloadings
Yes 3031 is a very good choice for the 30/30, I have done a fair bit of shooting with it in this caliber with both jacketed and cast bullets. However the objective with this load was to try a much slower than normal powder to see what results could be had with cast bullets. Slow powders like this generate much less initial pressure and are therefore easier on cast bullets, not accelerating them as quickly and hopefully causing less deformation while still getting good velocity. As for case stretching I have not noticed any undue stretching with brass fired in my 340, however it is front locking and I also generally neck size my brass. A rear locker like a Winchester 94 will stretch cases more and so will full length sizing.
314299 Shooting Channel ....exactly.... you know your stuff ☺
I never had a 340 in 30-30 mine was 222 .Sorry I sold it I was getting under 3 in groups at a 100 yards. Factory Winchester ammo.
I've seen a couple 222 Rem 340 rifles for sale around here, but the asking price was too high for the condition.
What kind of groups do you get with factory ammo? Is there any practical use for your cast load except shooting paper. I don't think it will expand at that velocity.
Rifle shoots 1 to 2 inches for five shots with most factory ammo.
This was a good video, nice groups! Are you planning on testing some surplus ammo anytime soon?
I always have some ammo set aside to test, both surplus and commercial. Anything in particular you would like to see?
314299 Shooting Channel
Could you test some FN 303 surplus, s&b 303 commercial, and federal m1 Garand ammo. Thank you
I think that load would work well for most purposes!
With a very hard cast bullet it is lacking in the way of expansion so it might not be the best choice for hunting.
You need to shoot those long range, they will reach out very far with that heavy bullet weight... give it a try you will be glad you did!!
The big issue with trying this rifle at long range is the limited amount of elevation adjustment with this scope.
Nice to see Canadian summer again. Shawn, are you sure you shooting high enough through the Crony, it seemed to me you made the wire flinch right inside of it?
Yes, it's nice to be into summer again. As for the bullet in relation to the machine, it's path is about 4" above the machine, the movement of the machine is due to the muzzle blast.
I used to own a Chrony that measured in meters and my friend gave me a combination rifle with a very light trigger, and I shot the screen stand on the right side. Love, Yevgen.
I was told not to use wheel weights for bullet casting because of grit, was I steered wrong ?
Most dirt just floats to the top of the pot when melted and can be skimmed off. If you properly clean and flux any lead, including WW alloy, you will get rid of the dirt/grit in it.
I'd save IMR-4831 for your .30-06 or 7mm Mauser and go get some IMR 4895 or W748 for the 30-30. That gun put them right in there.
I know that 4831 is not a conventional choice for 30/30, however the point of using it was to see if it would allow close to factory velocity while not being excessively hard on the relativity fragile cast bullets.
Ive seen some of your other vids of the 3030 rounds in all the vids do you know you brinell hardness on your cast bullets
No I do not. Bullets are cast from wheel weight alloy and water quenched out of the mold. Your guess as to a number is a good as mine, but they are quite hard.
@@314299 do you ever have issues with leading on the hotter loads?
@@claytonsmoking No, I have never had any issues with any of the loads.
Wonder how that powder would do with a 130-140 gr cast bullet?
I dont think it would do well with a light bullet, if anything a heavier bullet than the one I used would probably be more suitable.
I guess you should have mentioned that you have used 3031 in the 30-30.. then ppl would not tell you to use 30301 eh? lol
It would be along list if I mentioned every powder I have used in 30/30, especially if I include those I've used used with cast bullets.
How stout can you load them being a bolt gun?
I would not load any "hotter" for the 340 than I would for a Winchester or Marlin Lever gun as the Savage is a single lug design bolt. The great thing about these slow powder loads is that they are actually lower pressure than loads using standard powders.
Good video,...thanks!
Thanks. I was going shooting and decided to take the camera along, and was lucky enough to get some range time to myself.
Do you think I can use this powder with my 3030 shooting a jacketed 110gr rnsp?
No, I don't think it would be a good choice for such a light bullet in the 30/30 as 4831 is quite slow burning. For 110 grain bullets you would be better off with a faster burning powder like 4198.
Thank you. I would like to use imr 3031 but can't find any
I have good luck with IMR 3031 with 150 gr jacketed rounds.
Yes, 3031 is an excellent powder for jacketed bullets and is also pretty good for cast as well.
What kind of scope mount are you using?
It's a Weaver side mount and base.
Can u do the same vdo using IMR 3031.
I've done one with the Lyman 311291 and 3031, but so far not with the RCBS bullet. Might get around to it one of these days.
I realize that you are trying for 2000 fps but no critter is going to be able to tell the difference in 150 fps + or -. 1850 with air cooled wheel weights will kill any deer that ever walked.
No doubt that is true, but the goal was to match the jacketed speed and accuracy with a cast load. If I were going hunting with a reload I certainly would pick a somewhat slower but more accurate load over a faster but less accurate one. Of course the best would be a fast, accurate load.
Don’t see these in 225 win . A lot made . 225 is a barrel smoker though.
John Wayne
One of my 340’s is the .225. It’s also my most accurate 340. I also have the .222, .22Hornet and a couple 30-30’s. That said, I only shoot factory Winchester 55gr loads. One thing I’ve noticed and have read from other owners, is the pressure. When I shoot I can feel the bolt throw is tight when I extract the round. And the primer is really flat. I’m going to experiment with reloading and see if I can lower the pressure a bit from the factory round.
You can load it down some. But only what your wasting out the end of your barrel, otherwise you won’t get 4300 FPS out of it. My 225 in a win 70 had a 26” barrel. It weighs 9 lbs. with a 6x scope. It doesn’t seem to have fried it’s riffling any. It actually a fam member rifle. Hard to find cartridges for it. 2020 is the 5 year. Run by Winchester isn’t it . And the will sell brass on the cheap cheap. Those loads are weals your shooting, put a pinch of magnum in on top of your load . That will wake it up!
What about 123 grain 7.62x39 bullets would those fit in the mag
Yes rounds loaded with those would fit the mag just fine but the diameter of most 7.62x39 bullets is .3105" to .311" and so a bit big for a barrel designed for .308" bullets.
You should chamber , remove , and inspect your long loads . I would be concerned about jamming the round into the mouth of the barrel . No free movment at ignition can result in high chamber pressure , maybe not so much with cast bullits but you never know . A lifes lesson " the more that I learn , the less that I know "
in my experience it's not an issue with the cast bullets as they are soft and take the rifling easily. With jacketed bullets it's certainly a thing to avoid.