I am primarily a Space X fan, however, I applaud ANY company or Country trying to achieve a level of reusability. The BE4 has been problematic, but it seems that those problems have been solved for the most part. Blue Origins biggest challenge is too become "hardware rich", it may well take several BONG's to perfect the landing, with it taking years between vehicles currently, this will never allow Blue Origin to catch up to anyone. That being said, congratulations on making orbit on the first try and since landing was not a critical test criteria, lets hope that counted as a successful first certification test.
@@tomnguyen9931 If those buildings could fly, BO would be in great shape. You obviously haven't seen the brand new Star Factory in Boca Chica, Space X also NEVER used shipping containers for construction, only walls and storage.
Why isn’t it fair? Primary design concept is reusable booster and Bezos failed and there is no idea of when it will actually work. “Sporadic at best” perfectly describes Bezos attempt. If he doesn’t get his DEI staff to make it work, he will lose those NASA and military contracts. This Bezos rocket isn’t competing against Starship, it is competing against Falcon Super Heavy, which has already proven itself.
@@LawrenceKaneshiro Yes, I think musk so far is the only being who has more knowledge to get mankind where we need to go. As Capt Kirk says. To Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone BEFORE.
Mach 5 at 80k feet of altitude is very challenging. The stagnation temperature would have been so high that it wouldn’t take long to thermally damage the vehicle.
I don't understand why some people get like football fans in a competition between "rivals" in which they have neither a shareholding or employment. There is plenty of room for different vehicles ... each will fill a nice. Great to see BONG making progress and SpaceX too.
Maybe people support the good guy ? maybe one company has been constantly trying to sabotage the other company ,with lawfare, not to mention the clear bias by the government and media
Blue Origin met their flight objectives. Failure to retrieve the booster does not mean Blue Origin can't be competitive. They are just a bit less competitive. They are capable of putting payloads into orbit. Even with the complete destruction of Starship, I'm betting that Musk will retry before Blue Origin does.
The cause? Lack of practice. Seeking perfection before launch is not the most efficient way to proceed. You can gamble and loose, but learn, or gamble and succeed and learn as well.
I agree @safetychuck. What happened to the second stage? Is it space junk? Is it in a stable orbit? Did it de-orbit and re-enter the atmosphere? Also since the booster failed, why isn't the FAA conducting an investigation with BO? Why hasn't the FAA delayed any additional launches for BO? Oh wait, BO doesn't have any additional New Glenn rockets ready to launch. Maybe in a few years?
Good video! Frozen O rings and fluid conduit lines have plagued the Space industry seemingly forever. Seems the ship and launchpad designs need to presume persistent hard freezing temperatures and dynamics. Maybe the symbolic phallic symbols should don a giant condom?
To Be fair not really a fan of Blue Dildo (the Edge of Space Flight) but people need to remember how many rockets had issues in Russia? the US? Europe? Germany who started it all with the V-2. Its a Step Forward! Congrats to them! We Learn from Failure then Success! They will succeed eventually succeed. This is an Exciting time to be alive.
Maybe this channel should change its name to "Space X Trends" Sounds more and more like a light version of Fox compared to biased coverage of X contra Blue
"Ice formation" always sounds like solid water but I guess it is being used to describe solid methane or oxygen, similar to SpaceX "ice formation" blocking flow to its engines. I wonder if ice formation also effected the landing attempt for BO?
The "ice" formed in the Starship boosters oxygen tank was a combination of water ice and carbon dioxide snow. This is the result of SpaceX using the exhaust of the oxygen pre-burner to pressurize the liquid oxygen tank. The exhaust contains water vapor and CO2 gas.
@@johntracy9398more likely associated with pressure drop on the super cooled fluid entering a small diameter pipe and lowering its pressure Thst's why they now use multiple feed piped to the Raptors. I can't imagine enough water vapour fr the ullage gases used to repressurise the tanks.
Umm, how many Starships have missed orbital insertion. Isn't 100% as of this day. Isn't BO's GS2 orbital insertion 100%! Further, if you consider the statistics, Starship has less chance of making it into orbit and GS2 has a 50% chance. If you were Lloyds of London, which would you insure?
Well first off while Starship is ahead of New Glen, it still has teething problems before it can be considered as reliable as Falcon 9. It may take 8 or 9 more flights before it can fully replace Falcon 9. That may take all of 2025. Due to the RUD of ship 33, flight 8 may very well not happen until March of 2025 at the earliest. Having a fuel leak is something that has to result in a permanent fix if Starship is going to carry humans. The other question is this. If there is an anomaly with the booster, what plan is there for emergency measures for Starship if humans are on board. That has yet to be developed. Once humans are on board, Starship has to have emergency measures built in if it experiences mechanical issues as well. Also, it took a few flights to get Flacon 9 to stick the landing on the drone. It may take Blue Origin a few flights to get the landing down as well. The one thing Blue Origin does have over Starship is that it has achieved full orbit capability on its first try. New Glen will be essentially competing with Falcon 9 until Starship can prove full reliability and usability. It is not there yet and may not get there until December 2025 or into 2026. Spacex wants 25 flights for 2025 for Starship. However, if there continue to anomalies like flight 7, that will automatically set up an FAA investigation slowing the process down. In the meantime, New Glen could get a head start on commercial payloads allowing it to start to catch up to Falcon 9 and actually start generating revenue. Further if New Glen remains reliable in getting to Orbit, they then can develop a capsule for the second stage that will be able to fly to the space station and land. Final point. While Starship is gearing up for Mars, they may eventually want to abandon the moon transport potentially leaving that to New Glen. So, while New Glen is behind Starship it may catch up with smaller payloads in the long run.
Does anybody know what BO do to raise money? They have Gov funding yes, Bezo's deep pockets, and they have private launch contracts also......what else? Im interested in this for the reason that Im under the impression that if they dont make the New Glen first stage land soon....it's all over for BO. Also, how quickly are they manufacturing BE-4 engines? And how quickly are they making all the other items to a flight ready standard??? How long untill there's BONG 2, 1-2 years!!!! Someone else mentioned that BO needs to become 'Hardware rich', .....does anyone believ that BO have enough of what it takes to get up to that next stage, as a competetive company??? If they cant make it ALL work, and real soon....I firmly believe that there's already too much competition in the satelite launching business for them to continue to exist! It'll be all too little, too late! Its a Taxi with no future.
It is important to acknowledge that the New Glenn achieved orbit on its first try. A couple of days later, Space X sent its 7th Ship to orbit but it spontaneously maximized entropy. BO lost its booster stage while Space X made its 2nd booster recovery in 7 tries. It’s true that there have been “soft landings” at sea, but as far as being a reliable proven rocket system, there is a long road ahead for both concepts. Dream Chaser offers yet another approach, which also has some unique benefits. There’s plenty of truly amazing engineering being demonstrated, it is juvenile to be cheerleading for brand X
@@JamesArthur-e3g oh but his Falcon 9 booster with 140+ successful launches and his multiple crew 9 capsule launches not to mention the Falcon heavy successes mean nothing? NASA funds their sub contractors of which Musk is one. Musk built the most powerful rocket in human history and is still in development so failures will happen. Look at the tragedy with the space shuttle’s. Shyte happens.
Let see might have taken a while but puts the payload into orbit on first try. I think you are a bit biased. There are different use cases and while falcon 9 is amazing Starship is getting further from being man rated not closer. Lighten up. Its their first launch of an orbital capable rocket. Right now NASA needs something to get heavy payloads to orbit. SpaceX appears to have mostly given up on falcon heavy in favor of Starship. The most important objective is payload delivery. It did that.
"Given up on Falcon Heavy". They are still flying Heavy and have upcoming missions using Heavy. Space X will not retire Heavy until Starship is fully operational. No other rocket is fully licensed for service in that market area right now. Although I think Space Force is ready to use Valcan as soon as ULA can make it available.
Go crunch the numbers for the engines used on Starship and you will see it has big issues with being able to lift a heavy load. Those Raptor 3 engines are still not good enough. And the Specs on Raptor 4 still fall short of what is needed to lift meaning full loads. And Space X had a lot of failures along the way and is way behind schedule to what Elon had originally said were the targets. Going by his original schedule we would have already had people on Mars, instead we got a Fried Banana with version 6, and bits of Banana air fried with version 7.
Rockets have been making it to orbit since the 1960’s. Nothing new. But up to now, a first stage has never been caught and rapidly placed back on launch pad. Also SpaceX could have easily put previous Starships into orbit, but wanted to make sure they could control when and where it would return. Also priority was to test heat tiles on re-entry.
Seems Space X's PR budget is large. Space X blows up a few ships and its not a big deal to get where they are at. Learning experience. Blue Origin try's to get a foot in the door, and that just needs to stop. According to Space X's of course. Kill the competition before it can get started via the web. Hell of a business plan.
OHHHHH PLEEEASE! You must works for Musk! It 2 different companies. Musk have the edge right now and that will not always be the case. BO understand the mistake it made. It spent too much time and monies on first class buildings and launch operation. Musk building and all other are crappy!
I am primarily a Space X fan, however, I applaud ANY company or Country trying to achieve a level of reusability. The BE4 has been problematic, but it seems that those problems have been solved for the most part. Blue Origins biggest challenge is too become "hardware rich", it may well take several BONG's to perfect the landing, with it taking years between vehicles currently, this will never allow Blue Origin to catch up to anyone. That being said, congratulations on making orbit on the first try and since landing was not a critical test criteria, lets hope that counted as a successful first certification test.
if blue origin reached their intended goals there probably wouldn't be a space x.
Say what you will. BO buildings are world class. Whereas SpaceX is a bunch of shipping containers put together.
@@tomnguyen9931 If those buildings could fly, BO would be in great shape. You obviously haven't seen the brand new Star Factory in Boca Chica, Space X also NEVER used shipping containers for construction, only walls and storage.
@ Sure, but what's your point? If you're talking capabilities on paper, then we're already enjoying manned bases on Titan.
This reporting is not fair to Blue Origin. Any amount of commercial space venture is to be supported and applaud at. Even Elon is congratulating Jeff.
But , I haven't heard if the FFA shut down blue origin like they did the space x
Space is hard…I support all who try whether they succeed or fail!
Agreed! space is hard. Anyone who can get mankind safely there and back affordably receives a medal in my book. Yes, even Musk.🤨🙂
Why isn’t it fair? Primary design concept is reusable booster and Bezos failed and there is no idea of when it will actually work. “Sporadic at best” perfectly describes Bezos attempt. If he doesn’t get his DEI staff to make it work, he will lose those NASA and military contracts. This Bezos rocket isn’t competing against Starship, it is competing against Falcon Super Heavy, which has already proven itself.
@@LawrenceKaneshiro Yes, I think musk so far is the only being who has more knowledge to get mankind where we need to go. As Capt Kirk says.
To Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone BEFORE.
Mach 5 at 80k feet of altitude is very challenging. The stagnation temperature would have been so high that it wouldn’t take long to thermally damage the vehicle.
I don't understand why some people get like football fans in a competition between "rivals" in which they have neither a shareholding or employment.
There is plenty of room for different vehicles ... each will fill a nice. Great to see BONG making progress and SpaceX too.
Maybe people support the good guy ? maybe one company has been constantly trying to sabotage the other company ,with lawfare, not to mention the clear bias by the government and media
Only UA-cam grifters seem to be doiing it.
Ja der Weg zu den Sternen ist mit einem harten Pflaster ausgelegt.
Blue Origin met their flight objectives. Failure to retrieve the booster does not mean Blue Origin can't be competitive. They are just a bit less competitive. They are capable of putting payloads into orbit. Even with the complete destruction of Starship, I'm betting that Musk will retry before Blue Origin does.
Learn and make it better. Then Relaunch SOON. Competition breeds innovation.
The cause? Lack of practice. Seeking perfection before launch is not the most efficient way to proceed. You can gamble and loose, but learn, or gamble and succeed and learn as well.
This reporting isn't fair to Blue Origin. Any effort in commercial space ventures deserves support and applause. Even Elon is congratulating Jeff.
Buuuuttt...what about New Glenn? Made orbit, delivered payload, aaand...what? Did that huge ship just disappear?
Starship disappeared too.
Great light show though.
Looking forward to more launches.
I agree @safetychuck. What happened to the second stage? Is it space junk? Is it in a stable orbit? Did it de-orbit and re-enter the atmosphere? Also since the booster failed, why isn't the FAA conducting an investigation with BO? Why hasn't the FAA delayed any additional launches for BO? Oh wait, BO doesn't have any additional New Glenn rockets ready to launch. Maybe in a few years?
Once.
@@kieranh2005 We know what happened to Starship...what happened to New Glenn?
It's in a very long term orbit around earth.
Good video! Frozen O rings and fluid conduit lines have plagued the Space industry seemingly forever. Seems the ship and launchpad designs need to presume persistent hard freezing temperatures and dynamics. Maybe the symbolic phallic symbols should don a giant condom?
To Be fair not really a fan of Blue Dildo (the Edge of Space Flight) but people need to remember how many rockets had issues in Russia? the US? Europe? Germany who started it all with the V-2. Its a Step Forward! Congrats to them! We Learn from Failure then Success! They will succeed eventually succeed. This is an Exciting time to be alive.
Maybe this channel should change its name to "Space X Trends" Sounds more and more like a light version of Fox compared to biased coverage of X contra Blue
Don't worry I'm sure they will get the first trans lesbian woman of color into space and make you a happy "they"
You have no idea either, do you? That was the first launch of the New Glenn, things can go wrong, that's why there are test flights...
"Ice formation" always sounds like solid water but I guess it is being used to describe solid methane or oxygen, similar to SpaceX "ice formation" blocking flow to its engines. I wonder if ice formation also effected the landing attempt for BO?
The "ice" formed in the Starship boosters oxygen tank was a combination of water ice and carbon dioxide snow. This is the result of SpaceX using the exhaust of the oxygen pre-burner to pressurize the liquid oxygen tank. The exhaust contains water vapor and CO2 gas.
@@johntracy9398more likely associated with pressure drop on the super cooled fluid entering a small diameter pipe and lowering its pressure
Thst's why they now use multiple feed piped to the Raptors. I can't imagine enough water vapour fr the ullage gases used to repressurise the tanks.
Great video
Umm, how many Starships have missed orbital insertion. Isn't 100% as of this day. Isn't BO's GS2 orbital insertion 100%! Further, if you consider the statistics, Starship has less chance of making it into orbit and GS2 has a 50% chance. If you were Lloyds of London, which would you insure?
At least you done it good luck all at blue origin well-done ❤
Well first off while Starship is ahead of New Glen, it still has teething problems before it can be considered as reliable as Falcon 9. It may take 8 or 9 more flights before it can fully replace Falcon 9. That may take all of 2025. Due to the RUD of ship 33, flight 8 may very well not happen until March of 2025 at the earliest. Having a fuel leak is something that has to result in a permanent fix if Starship is going to carry humans. The other question is this. If there is an anomaly with the booster, what plan is there for emergency measures for Starship if humans are on board. That has yet to be developed. Once humans are on board, Starship has to have emergency measures built in if it experiences mechanical issues as well. Also, it took a few flights to get Flacon 9 to stick the landing on the drone. It may take Blue Origin a few flights to get the landing down as well. The one thing Blue Origin does have over Starship is that it has achieved full orbit capability on its first try. New Glen will be essentially competing with Falcon 9 until Starship can prove full reliability and usability. It is not there yet and may not get there until December 2025 or into 2026. Spacex wants 25 flights for 2025 for Starship. However, if there continue to anomalies like flight 7, that will automatically set up an FAA investigation slowing the process down. In the meantime, New Glen could get a head start on commercial payloads allowing it to start to catch up to Falcon 9 and actually start generating revenue. Further if New Glen remains reliable in getting to Orbit, they then can develop a capsule for the second stage that will be able to fly to the space station and land. Final point. While Starship is gearing up for Mars, they may eventually want to abandon the moon transport potentially leaving that to New Glen. So, while New Glen is behind Starship it may catch up with smaller payloads in the long run.
Im supposed NASA didn't have the WB-57's filming the flight and should have captured the re-entry of the booster.
8:45 SpaceX has made no orbital attempts with Starship.
So what your point?
@@sqr2024 It is an incorrect statement. All flights to date have been planned as suborbital missions.
Too much hate on a successful first launch, otherwise. Not making the booster landing isn't a tragedy.
Again, how many times did the Saturn 5 fail?
Ummm… that’s how it works.
Does anybody know what BO do to raise money? They have Gov funding yes, Bezo's deep pockets, and they have private launch contracts also......what else? Im interested in this for the reason that Im under the impression that if they dont make the New Glen first stage land soon....it's all over for BO. Also, how quickly are they manufacturing BE-4 engines? And how quickly are they making all the other items to a flight ready standard??? How long untill there's BONG 2, 1-2 years!!!! Someone else mentioned that BO needs to become 'Hardware rich', .....does anyone believ that BO have enough of what it takes to get up to that next stage, as a competetive company??? If they cant make it ALL work, and real soon....I firmly believe that there's already too much competition in the satelite launching business for them to continue to exist! It'll be all too little, too late! Its a Taxi with no future.
Bests should ask to buy raptor engines from Musk. Nothing to lose, other than
pride.
When is the next New-Glend flight? and when is the next starshit flight? the deadlines will not even be comparable.
They successfully reached orbit. This site is a disgrace
It is important to acknowledge that the New Glenn achieved orbit on its first try. A couple of days later, Space X sent its 7th Ship to orbit but it spontaneously maximized entropy. BO lost its booster stage while Space X made its 2nd booster recovery in 7 tries. It’s true that there have been “soft landings” at sea, but as far as being a reliable proven rocket system, there is a long road ahead for both concepts. Dream Chaser offers yet another approach, which also has some unique benefits. There’s plenty of truly amazing engineering being demonstrated, it is juvenile to be cheerleading for brand X
Is it worse than space x Taxpayer money
Blown up
You are thinking of Boeing and ULA. They have the cost plus contracts!
So what’s your point?
@sqr2024 after 12 years it still blows up Let musk use his money not taxpayers
@@JamesArthur-e3g oh but his Falcon 9 booster with 140+ successful launches and his multiple crew 9 capsule launches not to mention the Falcon heavy successes mean nothing? NASA funds their sub contractors of which Musk is one. Musk built the most powerful rocket in human history and is still in development so failures will happen. Look at the tragedy with the space shuttle’s. Shyte happens.
The tone of this video sure sounds like SpaceX propaganda.
Dribble
Wouldn't it be cheaper and quicker for Bezos to wait 6 months and rent space on Starship to send New Glenn into orbit?
Let see might have taken a while but puts the payload into orbit on first try. I think you are a bit biased. There are different use cases and while falcon 9 is amazing Starship is getting further from being man rated not closer.
Lighten up. Its their first launch of an orbital capable rocket.
Right now NASA needs something to get heavy payloads to orbit. SpaceX appears to have mostly given up on falcon heavy in favor of Starship.
The most important objective is payload delivery. It did that.
The most important is reusability. Putting payloads in space is the easy part.
This race is for reusability. Bezos has already spent $5 billion on his project.
"Given up on Falcon Heavy". They are still flying Heavy and have upcoming missions using Heavy. Space X will not retire Heavy until Starship is fully operational. No other rocket is fully licensed for service in that market area right now. Although I think Space Force is ready to use Valcan as soon as ULA can make it available.
Did you mention that SpaceX received almost 500 millions for NASA and all the know how of how not to built rocket?
Go crunch the numbers for the engines used on Starship and you will see it has big issues with being able to lift a heavy load. Those Raptor 3 engines are still not good enough. And the Specs on Raptor 4 still fall short of what is needed to lift meaning full loads. And Space X had a lot of failures along the way and is way behind schedule to what Elon had originally said were the targets. Going by his original schedule we would have already had people on Mars, instead we got a Fried Banana with version 6, and bits of Banana air fried with version 7.
Spacex seven launches, no orbit, New Glen, orbit on first try. What are you missing…?
Rockets have been making it to orbit since the 1960’s. Nothing new. But up to now, a first stage has never been caught and rapidly placed back on launch pad.
Also SpaceX could have easily put previous Starships into orbit, but wanted to make sure they could control when and where it would return. Also priority was to test heat tiles on re-entry.
Seems Space X's PR budget is large. Space X blows up a few ships and its not a big deal to get where they are at. Learning experience. Blue Origin try's to get a foot in the door, and that just needs to stop. According to Space X's of course. Kill the competition before it can get started via the web. Hell of a business plan.
If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.
Lmao this channel is laughable
This booster achieved on the first try, what Starship has still to do.
Non stop bashing of BO....this channel is so idiotic
If they found problems with New Glenn, Elon is on suicide watch
OHHHHH PLEEEASE! You must works for Musk! It 2 different companies. Musk have the edge right now and that will not always be the case. BO understand the mistake it made. It spent too much time and monies on first class buildings and launch operation. Musk building and all other are crappy!