Incredible documentary, I try to share this masterpiece with everyone that I come across that is open and does not matter what creed, color or race. Mr. Raoul Peck represents fellow Haitians in such a positive light. I am so proud of you.
Just finished the docuseries then came here to watch this wonderful conversation. Some viewers said it's a tough docu to watch. I'm non-white, not from EU, and not a Catholic, but from a place once was colonized by EU whites. It's exhilarating and liberating to watch this docu and thought it should be included in all high school history curriculum, especially in the US and EU.
If it were, it would only perpetuate the one-sided view that these atrocities are only borne by one people when the very obvious, well documented, and currently verifiable reality of today says otherwise. Ignoring the realities of the HUMAN condition, not those of a well chosen sub-group, has resulted in a permanent underclass in an otherwise free society. Don't spread that nonsense another second. You only hurt people in doing so.
@Tani J Oh boy, here we go: "Well, HE did it too!" *in my 8 year old voice* As if that changes anything about the rapaciousness of imperial colonialism and global white supremacy. Smh. Damn, why don't ya'll just make THAT documentary yourself!
Raoul, please open your own UA-cam channel & other social media channel in order to create revenue with your followers & also to be able to share your awesome knowledge.
... I've scoured the internet searching for the untold stories since its inception, and there was a moment of great reveal when individuals were able to share what would've been impossible to share otherwise, but I've also watched that window of opportunity close as the internet has been captured by the same interests that continue to control mainstream media conversations today ... the Raoul's of this world are taking all these lost and scattered narratives and compiling them into popular formats impossible to ignore by the day-to-day media consumers of our time ... we need the unrelenting to push back so that we can uncover our minds and free ourselves from the inclination of central control so embedded in the psyche of our global societies.
The time has come for these works to be seen and read with the masses worldwide. I have a feeling that they may become the new bibes for certain segment of the younger generation.
Thanks (again) for this extraordinary documentary. I think, it should, together with appropriate introductory preparations, be obligatory to all school children! I am writing from Germany and just experienced, that one of the daughters , in grade 9, in english "learned" about the assimilation of the Indigenous people in the Americas by the colonizers going west. Introducing western structures. That is, how misinformation is indoctrinated into the childrens minds and souls. (In this case a Waldorf School, but that's another topic in itself, the founders, Rudolf Steiner's, attitude and lectures about the Red Indians.) This is touching also in hindsight to our families, american ancestors participating in the taking of land from the Indigenous people of North America. Out of an transgenerational aspect of understanding and feeling family history.
I stumbled three days ago upon Dr. Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz's book which I have since inhaled in audio format, hard as that rapid intake has been to metabolize. I found the book cauterizing, a relentless rhapsody, upending of my USA civic understanding, and why not? My predigested, accepted truisms about USA history now appear to be players in a fever dream. I would dearly love to witness her book debated among historians, to read academic reviews. I looked for reviews and found almost nothing! And here in this interview she states that indeed it was not reviewed in journals of traditional history/academic record (if I understand correctly what she said). Separately, via a podcast ad also within the last three days, I heard about the new documentary films. And now, deliberately upon searching, found this interview. I am glad ... sickened ... already thinking of what kinds of conversations this could trigger among people of different-from-my political bent to whom I intend to introduce these works. Greatly look forward to watching the films and intend as well to read Dr. Mamdani's book. Thanks to all involved.
It's disturbing how much we need to UN-learn. It's simple enough to give up on Santa Claus, but to give up on some idealized version of what "America" means is a fight to the death for lots of people.
@@davehan241 Yes indeed. Disturbing. I don't want to be alone with only birds of my own feather on this. I want all humanity to get it. But too many, as you say, are ready to fight to the death. Unlearning, right leaning, could be a win win. Instead it's perceived as a zero sum situation and worse.
@@leahnewyorkmother earth is the one who can ground us all. Yes there is a lot to unlearn, but when ideas and philosophies and histories divide us, earth has the power to unite us. Often the domain of the mind confuses us all. The details do matter. Ill be the first to admit that i find the material in this documentary useful in tracking the wrongs of the imperialist nations. But its equally important to understand what connects us in positive ways. We have to move forward after all. How do we do that? Cultural disputes? Debate? Id put it to anyone that if we are earth centric, there is no way we can despise any race or ethnicity. There's no way land ownership would continue. There's no way we would represent natural earth-grown resources in the form of fiat currency money etc. Culture and attitudes must change to accommodate our life here on this planet....the planet that we all share. In short, we need a planetary ethic, and give up illusions of ownership. Imperial countries will be the hardest to convince of this law of nature. Will the USA ever stop harming herself? Or will she have to be put out of her misery? I dont think reform is possible. And i dont think the people should waste their breath on the governments. But we can build in parallel with them....build local communities, thousands of them, divest from colonialism so to speak the way that russel means would speak of when he was alive. John Trudell said: "we are power, and the earth is power. We must remember how to tap into it, regain connection to the land and then it will all fall into place."
Thanks so much for discussing this film. It's one thing to know basic history, but it's a totally different experience to see it all combined in a movie that covers over 700 years of abuse, terrorism, brutal killings, slavery, land grabbing, natural resource stealing, lying and conquering people all over the world that are different by skin color and culture. Very powerful and well done. This can be used as a tool to teach history in schools. How much longer can this machine continue when they're no longer the majority in the world?
As an abstract visual artist from South Africa I have fell in love and am in awe of the paintings from Haiti.Given that Raoul Peck is Haitian artist I am looking forward to see" Exterminate all the Brutes."
This story needed to be told, the abhorrent behavior of empires with militaries that have been developing and perfecting the ability to as Gil Scott Heron says " to turn countries into cemetaries" while cloaking it in the narrative of patriotism needs to be exposed and re-exposed because of the amnesia and lack of truth which prevents society to learn from the past. The wounds inflicted by indigenous annihilation, colonization, slavery and those who consider is their birth rite to dominate and rule continue to deny an accurate account of the truth of their ancestors real history. This wound continues to fester and poison the lives of all and especially the body-politic , this documentary exposes the would to light because wounds must heal from the inside out. To know the truth will set you free.
@Tani J awwww no reason to be offended. Did you miss the part where he explained that he wanted this story to be told about American History and the influence that Europeans has on it?
@@drstevej2527 He IS a scholar in the field of filmmaking and has worked with other writers and scholars of the highest caliber. Did you miss that in the discussion? Two of the other people on the panel are academics/scholars. I am a scholar and feel very strongly that scholarship DOES NOT have to be mechanical and pedantic. We need to reach the public not take refuge in silos! Dr. D. M. Ogunsola
"It is just a power situation". Great conversation. It helps any creator/filmaker/artist to have the validation of the powerful people, there is even a practical aspect - the NY Film festival has limited resources and do not go everywhere looking for movies. Only hope for the small ones is to have some one individual in place, a person affiliated with both worlds - that of power and that of thinking sources that are not mainstream - to be the curator/promoter.
7 important metaphysical questions. 1) How do we remove the heavy lead called ignorance (greed) from the springboard of truth (love)...so that the springboard rebounds to happiness and launches US to heaven (joy, beauty and harmony)? 2) How do we release the string of lies being pulled by ignorance (greed) from the bow of truth (love) ...so that the bow of truth (love) returns to happiness and propels US to heaven (joy, beauty and harmony)? 3) How do we remove the current cornerstone called ignorance (greed) from life and replace it with the cornerstone of truth (love)? 4) How do we knock down the wall of lies saying that "life is business" (greed)...so that the truth that "life is art" (creating joy) floods the earth and washes away it's ignorance (hate)? 5) How do we fill a giant black hole in space called ignorance (greed) with light (love)...so that it's darkness (misery, murder, mass shootings, suicides, war, etc.) goes away and it's heavy gravitational pull stops sucking the joy out of life? How do we make vampires (greed) who are "blind"..."see" the ignorance of transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war)? How do we make the counting corpses who are "blind"..."see" the ignorance of transforming this paradise planet lifeboat into a polluted pig pen?
Great interview…there is no doubt the deconstruction of the age-old structure is complete and very soon it would fall down like a pack of cards. It is like a tree standing and looking strong but internally eaten up by worms and nothing can stop the process…yes, freedom starts from questioning everything, every concepts, ideology must be questioned and he who dares to question is free…
@@WileECoyotey i was implying they were no different. Religion continues to create suffering to this day (Buddhists in Myanmar, Hindu nationalists in India, Muslims in Saudi Arabia)
It is happening infront of all our eyes, its a slow motion take over untie China brings its military there then it will get Aggressive and the west will sit back and watch
I am deeply disturbed by the distribution of this very important work. Here in Canada, Crave has the HBO rights and it is difficult and expensive to access. I hope the HBO "colonialism" will soon be disposed of and general access will be available in some easy online rental format. Right now, it would cast me $100. in annual subscription for an HBO Add-on. That's the "corporate neo-colonialism" I cannot bear.
thank you for sharing this facts! I was wondering if I was alone talking of the failure of this system and the incredible power of humans to actually in this today we our collective knowledge to fix for once all this mess and create the greatest civilization, the Human.
Unbelievable how the genocide of the native Americans and African slavery still does not feature in the narrative of the US. This film will contribute to this. Looking forward to watch the hbo film online. Thank you to all those who made this project a reality. Raoul Peck will join Mahmoud Mamdani, Ramon Grosfoguel, Walter Mignolo to help us understand the world and our place in it. "The world is hungry for the truth" -Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz. Liberating yes.
@Tani J Again with the fake narrative about how the civil war was about slavery... Whites fought the civil war in order to either secede from the union or to preserve the Union if anything the african-americans that volunteered fought specifically to end slavery. Slavery was not cited as a justification at all until Lincoln gave his state of the Union address, and by then the Southern states had already seceded and in armed revolt.
Both those atrocities were initiated by the British. This fact is always overlooked and full responsibility placed on a country that did not exist. They R trying to absolve Britain and blame America for all of it. The American people have been denied knowledge of most of their history
I agree with Charles C. Mann (author of "1491", "1493") -- contact with the Americas blew the Europeans' minds. Better agriculture, bigger cities, 20x more gold than existed in Europe, many sub cultures that have almost no hierarchy or taxation. The Euros were forced to have more self-awareness by the sheer magnitude of these differences, most of which favored the Americans. The challenge for documentary film making in this area is to lay out the untold, lesser known parts of truth without getting bogged down refuting the dominant myths. The more that the narrative is focused on myth busting the more confrontational it seems. Such a dynamic can fuel even more tribalism while inhibiting the opportunity to improve the accuracy of history.
@@STELLASCUTENESS Cherries are a terrible crop -- susceptible to squirrels and birds, low yield. I much prefer the Peruvian potatoes that increased yield per acre by 400% when they were brought to Europe. Or their tomatoes which can grow and yield indefinitely and are the tops of the same genus of plant as potatoes.
@@apollocobain8363 I take your second comment more seriously than your first. Is that what you intended? You forgot mushrooms.....which you obviously enjoy.
You seem to be arguing that Myth busting is somehow a negative. It's not clear what you're actually advocating for, but the fact that you end your initial post with an indictment of "myth busting" a fueling MORE hate/tribalism...I have no choice but to infer that you're white (or operating under and for white privilege). You're basically saying that talking about racism is the problem...not the actual racism. I mean, the criteria that you're using to judge "myth busting" is pretty laughable...so ignorant, angry white racists are going to be.....ugggh....MORE racist? You're completely cherry-picking the impact of this revealing documentary and only highlighting the potential negatives of a select group in an effort to dismiss it? And who the f*** cares about how much better farming practices were? Unless you're tying that piece into a bigger point...WTF are you babbling about?
@@davehan241 My point was that tribalism inhibits the ability to improve the accuracy of history. You seem to have projected your own anger and issues onto my very simple observation of the dynamics of the discussion of history, thus providing an illustration of my point. I use the term "Americans" to refer to the people living in the Americas before Columbus, aka "indians" (sic). That may have added to your confusion. 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus: www.supersummary.com/mann-1491/summary/
@@kipwonder2233 Mr. Peck is giving us a version of the history, but there are important details that are being left out. Which maybe, he had to do in order to get financed. I definitely agree that it’s closer to the truth.
You bring up a very good point about lack of Native voices. I (like most of us here) are very ignorant and have been taught BS most of our lives, so any media bucking that trend is helpful. You seem to be going out of your way to comment on this video and point out weaknesses, but being irate at how ignorant we are at this point isn't as helpful as sharing your knowledge. I have no idea who Gerald Home is. Why is he important and give us your take on how he applies to this discussion? Yes I can read wikipedia, but that doesn't mean I'll want to READ him.
@@davehan241 Dr. Horne has written several books that are directly on point in this discussion and which dig deep into the nature of settler colonialism He covers 17th and 18th pre-1776 American history that touch on many points made in the documentary. His work would complement the film and fit within the matrix. His voice would have been interesting in this interview. I agree with that. In fact, I pulled out some Horne books after watching the documentary.
Eurocentric got there blessing from the Pope. He was the higher boss who think he's Yahsura and he's wrong. They found 758 graves of little Indigious children in midwest Canada. Why did his priest and Nuns kill those kids. Her sins has reach all the way up to The Almighty God Jehovah and as you see her sins are being exposed all over the world. Babylon the Great is falling people see the signs.
This is why we don’t us film making as a substitute for actual research. What it does not tell you is that all people have engaged in conquest in human history. The difference being that some cultures forward the human condition while building an empire while others don’t. The Huns and the Mongols did little to advance science, art and philosophy unlike the Greeks, Romans and British.
Verona Iriarte this is his documentary and he financed it with his own money so if you desire to hear a native American voice, than you should finance and produce your own documentary!
there is NO american indian...we were here before america...the trigger for emancipation happened when Tainos revolted against the Spanish...it did not begin in Ayiti/Haiti
@@veronairiarte5739 and it was Siboney in Ayiti/Kiskeya/Bohio that started the first revolt! It wad the Taïnos who helped the maroons by teaching them the secret water holes and the lay of the land. The destruction of 500 million natives started in Ayiti and the liberation movement won in Ayiti. I am not just Taïno, I am a citizen of mother earth of Red/black/ white blood!
@@Kozeklosa I am Taino/Boriken and I know the story of Ayiti as well and they weren't the first to start that revolt...it was a collaboration among our relatives in the Caribbean...Tainos were the 1st maroons...this is the story no one wants to tell except Lynne Guitar...my folks came from maroon areas in Boriken... even Haile Gerima who is working on a film about maroons failed to listen to my contribution to this as he had asked me to contribute...and the stories continue!!!
Verona Iriarte why are you displaying passive aggressiveness toward the producer? are you upset that this black man had the where with all and the cognitive ability to produce such a master piece and the fact that he is being recognized globally?
@Z*....the haitian diaspora isn't ADOS; I'm w/you on this. Not one other ethnic group has been so INDELIBLY MARKED by SLAVERY, as that of AMERICAN DESCENDANTS OF CHATTEL SLAVERY...NONE!!!! This makes me terribly sad.
@@whysugah95 U show complete ignorance of the Haitian revolution. Haiti is still paying reparations to France and they still have the distinction of being the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere
I wont entertain that. and you wont be practicing your interpretations of Tantra Weaving on me youre probably new at that and I dont have time for that unless I need then I user
By Eurocentric meaning to reject reason , logic, rationality and scientific methodology in favor of gut feelings? Sorry no! 2 plus 2 is objectively true. We know that because of the scientific method born of the Enlightenment. I’m sorry but that was not centered in Native American culture , from Asia culture or Africa culture.
I actually HATE television, and I have NO cable or antenna connection to TV. I watch everything on internet, which is "more free" than the old limits of television, "tuning in" at such and such a time for scheduled programs - I haven't done that in years. Raoul needs to move distribution out of the TV matrix, which has been abandoned by many despite the popularity of some TV series. I was greatly surprised at Canada's "Crave" network for TV and the relentless garbage action adventures it carries. I signed in and signed out in an hour, as I saw all that crap and ran away. I will NOT be seeing "Eliminate All The Brutes" on "colonized" TV.
So as to reflect more of a balanced account, I do believe that his next film should be about the colonisation and the genocide, extermination of black on black and how black tribal heads and leadership worked in tandem with the Europeans in rounding up blacks feeding the atrocious slave trade....?
😂😂😂Thank you for demonstrating yt fragility in action. Deflection is a key tool in the yt supemacists tool kit🙄 Let's just talk about "African kings" getting in boats and Exterminating 100 million Native peoples in North America. Or the exterminating of Tasmanians and the STARVING of 90 million South Asians or the Extermination of Namibians in Concentration camps, or the dropping of Nuclear Bombs on Japan etc....Oh Africans DIDN'T do any of that🙄 it was YOU!!!!
We know this stories already, that's the only story in the Eurocentric textbooks we all read , its time to talk about the resistance and all the revolts and wars that happened in Africa against slavery, like queen nzinga cutting the Portuguese slave masters head those are the pictures we want to see now .
this isthe thing I can get an idea of your toool if someone had one better you would help yourself and use it. well thats been done. Im done. Not only can you not lecture but youre drag me around either. I just do it. Way different version than I ever show anyon in the world so I have a pretty good idea. I like Dogma . You like entertainment and all kinda shit you cant do against God unless you do it here im America which is beomcing short lived
I'm a 74yo white male and have been left of center all my adult years but I get profiled as a supremacist. As my final years tick away this get even end game will be a compelling show.. I'm sure the wealthy libs on the hill have all the answers... 😆
This work is a God-awful package of propaganda. It’s utterly absent of any rational or useful perspective at all. The simple truth is to compare yesterday to today without having one iota of care for the rules, beliefs, and realities of the times is the undertaking of a complete fool. I truly feel sorry for people who entrap themselves in the endless net of excuses and resentments that today’s society so adeptly offers up. Propagating this bile is just about the most evil act one can partake in while still managing to fool themselves enough to be ignorant of the true product of their efforts.
@@lf1496 Name calling accompanied by the absence of any other evidence of rational disagreement is the epitome of frustration borne in self-admission of guilt. Your words in particular are indicative of self-flattery and tinged with the very racism you proclaim you challenge. All you accomplished was proving the very meaning of my words. I'll make it more simple. The real thing people like you can’t seem to reconcile is the realization that no one in particular thinks much about you - not good, not bad…..just nothing at all. (Except for this moment.) Things are much more basic and brutish (to borrow a word), and far less conspiratorial than those of your ilk would ever dare to imagine. The world would be too lonely and the blame to singularly focused, on yourself, for your ego to ever survive such a realization.
More evil than extermination of people, destabilizing of ancient thriving cultures, and dehumanizing human being into commodities that were forced to build a nation under a system that tells them the color of their skin makes them less worthy.... It must be nice to look at history and the systems of oppression with such simplicity.
@@riss3690 Show me a time in history when that wasn’t the case….. show me a culture that didn’t do the same in some manner……other than today. You’re living in the 21st century. Don’t be such a pathetic appropriator of something you never experienced. You’re suffering nothing but self-aggrandizing victimhood, and fostering that ideology does permanent damage to more people than just yourself.
@@STELLASCUTENESS what victimhood? The genocide of millions of black and brown people by the European nations is a historical fact. They established a system of white supremacy and capitalism that we still live under today. My people are thriving in spite of all that. Just say you can't deal with the truth about your ancestors and move along. We don't have to participate in the lies.
Excellent post-film commentary. Now lets see if they will continue to cling to the illusions of whiteness or if they will enter the greater human aspiration for truth and a higher plane of existence. Lord knows, its time to actively evolve ourselves
Ayaan Hirsi Ali Author of “Infidel: My Life” has an interesting view on the west’s impact both negative in the form of the content of the movie introduced by Mr Peck but also the positive solutions that have allowed peoples from all over the world to gain freedoms that their cultures would not allow. Her experience as a Muslim woman and the release from the oppressive culture she came from in Africa when she came to Holland is an example of the western world not only moving past repression and exploitation but leading the world towards freedom and peace. The future is bright for all peoples, we HAVE learned from our past and here in America we are changing the culture too.
"Truth" is unfortunately not always "fact". And there is no "higher plane of existence". So I'm afraid your antiquated ideas of humanity are all ready well, out of date. "Whiteness" as you so humorously call it, is in it's dying days and has been for some time. What we are seeing is it's death gasp. The few, a real minority, clinging on to other antiquated ideas. You are fighting, in part your imagination. Something, unfortunately internalized, based on silly Hollywood movies, that were always mythology and never actual history, and the remnants of the deluded "winners" of days gone by. "Whiteness" doesn't exist and it never did. It was simply a temporary mass delusion in a world overrun by ignorance and naivety. The reason Eurasia dominated the past 1000-2000 years of "global" history, is because they were all fighting one another, which forced them to step up there game, technologically and tactically. Learning from one another through cultural diffusion was there real advantage. And now, since most people have access to that process, everyone has that opportunity to varying degrees. But that paradigm is dead. You, and this doc, are fighting a 90 year old man in the last days of his, personally celebrated life. Delusions of grandeur and all that. And those still clinging to that paradigm will be lost in the current. Because it only flows in one direction.
Thank you Mr. Peck for this brilliant doc series. It should be shown in every high school U.S.History class.
Incredible documentary, I try to share this masterpiece with everyone that I come across that is open and does not matter what creed, color or race. Mr. Raoul Peck represents fellow Haitians in such a positive light. I am so proud of you.
Just finished the docuseries then came here to watch this wonderful conversation.
Some viewers said it's a tough docu to watch. I'm non-white, not from EU, and not a Catholic, but from a place once was colonized by EU whites. It's exhilarating and liberating to watch this docu and thought it should be included in all high school history curriculum, especially in the US and EU.
If it were, it would only perpetuate the one-sided view that these atrocities are only borne by one people when the very obvious, well documented, and currently verifiable reality of today says otherwise.
Ignoring the realities of the HUMAN condition, not those of a well chosen sub-group, has resulted in a permanent underclass in an otherwise free society. Don't spread that nonsense another second. You only hurt people in doing so.
Yes, it should be, all colleges, universities, high schools, museums, library's, research centers, etc.
Amen. Yes, this should be the gold standard teaching.
Tough documentary to watch but well worth it. I wish more film directors would task risk like he has. Just outstanding!
It's crazy to read how some people don't believe any of the documentry. Cried myself the trail of tears.
@@mariawinzler Partly because it's told by a non-white person.
Don't cry because its over smile because it happened.
@Tani J no idea. I'm shadowbanned if I post a comment but if I respond to others they can be seen. That may be associated with it. Who knows.
@Tani J Oh boy, here we go: "Well, HE did it too!" *in my 8 year old voice* As if that changes anything about the rapaciousness of imperial colonialism and global white supremacy. Smh. Damn, why don't ya'll just make THAT documentary yourself!
I am so appreciative for this powerful Q & A. Looking forward to seeing the complete documentary and viewing more of Raoul Peck's films.
I think we should abandon the patriarchal system of rule for a matriarchal one.
Raoul, please open your own UA-cam channel & other social media channel in order to create revenue with your followers & also to be able to share your awesome knowledge.
Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz is one of my absolute heroes. Her writing has changed me from inside out and I appreciate her foreve
What an eye-opening experience listening to a panel of experts. Thank you so much!
... I've scoured the internet searching for the untold stories since its inception, and there was a moment of great reveal when individuals were able to share what would've been impossible to share otherwise, but I've also watched that window of opportunity close as the internet has been captured by the same interests that continue to control mainstream media conversations today ... the Raoul's of this world are taking all these lost and scattered narratives and compiling them into popular formats impossible to ignore by the day-to-day media consumers of our time ... we need the unrelenting to push back so that we can uncover our minds and free ourselves from the inclination of central control so embedded in the psyche of our global societies.
Excellent documentary. It’s well thought out and it’s historical dramatization is captivating. Brutal honesty!
Absolutely thought provoking and internally stirring documentary. Definitely pushes one to action and question everything.
The time has come for these works to be seen and read with the masses worldwide. I have a feeling that they may become the new bibes for certain segment of the younger generation.
Thanks (again) for this extraordinary documentary. I think, it should, together with appropriate introductory preparations, be obligatory to all school children!
I am writing from Germany and just experienced, that one of the daughters , in grade 9, in english "learned" about the assimilation of the Indigenous people in the Americas by the colonizers going west. Introducing western structures.
That is, how misinformation is indoctrinated into the childrens minds and souls. (In this case a Waldorf School, but that's another topic in itself, the founders, Rudolf Steiner's, attitude and lectures about the Red Indians.)
This is touching also in hindsight to our families, american ancestors participating in the taking of land from the Indigenous people of North America. Out of an transgenerational aspect of understanding and feeling family history.
I stumbled three days ago upon Dr. Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz's book which I have since inhaled in audio format, hard as that rapid intake has been to metabolize. I found the book cauterizing, a relentless rhapsody, upending of my USA civic understanding, and why not? My predigested, accepted truisms about USA history now appear to be players in a fever dream. I would dearly love to witness her book debated among historians, to read academic reviews. I looked for reviews and found almost nothing! And here in this interview she states that indeed it was not reviewed in journals of traditional history/academic record (if I understand correctly what she said). Separately, via a podcast ad also within the last three days, I heard about the new documentary films. And now, deliberately upon searching, found this interview. I am glad ... sickened ... already thinking of what kinds of conversations this could trigger among people of different-from-my political bent to whom I intend to introduce these works. Greatly look forward to watching the films and intend as well to read Dr. Mamdani's book. Thanks to all involved.
It's disturbing how much we need to UN-learn. It's simple enough to give up on Santa Claus, but to give up on some idealized version of what "America" means is a fight to the death for lots of people.
@@davehan241 Yes indeed. Disturbing. I don't want to be alone with only birds of my own feather on this. I want all humanity to get it. But too many, as you say, are ready to fight to the death. Unlearning, right leaning, could be a win win. Instead it's perceived as a zero sum situation and worse.
Gosh. I hope they get over it.
@@leahnewyorkmother earth is the one who can ground us all. Yes there is a lot to unlearn, but when ideas and philosophies and histories divide us, earth has the power to unite us. Often the domain of the mind confuses us all. The details do matter. Ill be the first to admit that i find the material in this documentary useful in tracking the wrongs of the imperialist nations. But its equally important to understand what connects us in positive ways. We have to move forward after all. How do we do that? Cultural disputes? Debate? Id put it to anyone that if we are earth centric, there is no way we can despise any race or ethnicity. There's no way land ownership would continue. There's no way we would represent natural earth-grown resources in the form of fiat currency money etc. Culture and attitudes must change to accommodate our life here on this planet....the planet that we all share. In short, we need a planetary ethic, and give up illusions of ownership. Imperial countries will be the hardest to convince of this law of nature. Will the USA ever stop harming herself? Or will she have to be put out of her misery? I dont think reform is possible. And i dont think the people should waste their breath on the governments. But we can build in parallel with them....build local communities, thousands of them, divest from colonialism so to speak the way that russel means would speak of when he was alive. John Trudell said: "we are power, and the earth is power. We must remember how to tap into it, regain connection to the land and then it will all fall into place."
Thank you all!
Thanks so much for discussing this film. It's one thing to know basic history, but it's a totally different experience to see it all combined in a movie that covers over 700 years of abuse, terrorism, brutal killings, slavery, land grabbing, natural resource stealing, lying and conquering people all over the world that are different by skin color and culture. Very powerful and well done. This can be used as a tool to teach history in schools. How much longer can this machine continue when they're no longer the majority in the world?
they are the minority in the world.
Deeply illuminating! Powerful work. Thank you so much.
I have been following this since seeing this documentary a few days ago.
As an abstract visual artist from South Africa I have fell in love and am in awe of the paintings from Haiti.Given that Raoul Peck is Haitian artist I am looking forward to see" Exterminate all the Brutes."
This story needed to be told, the abhorrent behavior of empires with militaries that have been developing and perfecting the ability to as Gil Scott Heron says " to turn countries into cemetaries" while cloaking it in the narrative of patriotism needs to be exposed and re-exposed because of the amnesia and lack of truth which prevents society to learn from the past.
The wounds inflicted by indigenous annihilation, colonization, slavery and those who consider is their birth rite to dominate and rule continue to deny an accurate account of the truth of their ancestors real history. This wound continues to fester and poison the lives of all and especially the body-politic , this documentary exposes the would to light because wounds must heal from the inside out. To know the truth will set you free.
Well said. There's a converging with the exposure of all of these dastardly deeds being brought to the forefront at the same time.
AMEN!
@Tani J awwww no reason to be offended. Did you miss the part where he explained that he wanted this story to be told about American History and the influence that Europeans has on it?
It needs to be told by actual scholars not a film maker.
@@drstevej2527 He IS a scholar in the field of filmmaking and has worked with other writers and scholars of the highest caliber. Did you miss that in the discussion? Two of the other people on the panel are academics/scholars. I am a scholar and feel very strongly that scholarship DOES NOT have to be mechanical and pedantic. We need to reach the public not take refuge in silos! Dr. D. M. Ogunsola
"It is just a power situation". Great conversation. It helps any creator/filmaker/artist to have the validation of the powerful people, there is even a practical aspect - the NY Film festival has limited resources and do not go everywhere looking for movies. Only hope for the small ones is to have some one individual in place, a person affiliated with both worlds - that of power and that of thinking sources that are not mainstream - to be the curator/promoter.
It has always been about the wielding of power (by a select group) and the monopoly thereof.
Raoul... My new hero... Where can we watch this if outside the states
extraordinary conversation brilliant much needed discussion points! loved
"Exterminate all the brutes" is the famous line Kurz delivers near the end of Joseph Conrad's _Heart of Darkness_.
very valuable conversation. Great guest selection 13:39
This is one of the 2 most life-changing documentaries I've ever seen.
The other was Century Of Self.
7 important metaphysical questions.
1) How do we remove the heavy lead called ignorance (greed) from the springboard of truth (love)...so that the springboard rebounds to happiness and launches US to heaven (joy, beauty and harmony)?
2) How do we release the string of lies being pulled by ignorance (greed) from the bow of truth (love) ...so that the bow of truth (love) returns to happiness and propels US to heaven (joy, beauty and harmony)?
3) How do we remove the current cornerstone called ignorance (greed) from life and replace it with the cornerstone of truth (love)?
4) How do we knock down the wall of lies saying that "life is business" (greed)...so that the truth that "life is art" (creating joy) floods the earth and washes away it's ignorance (hate)?
5) How do we fill a giant black hole in space called ignorance (greed) with light (love)...so that it's darkness (misery, murder, mass shootings, suicides, war, etc.) goes away and it's heavy gravitational pull stops sucking the joy out of life?
How do we make vampires (greed) who are "blind"..."see" the ignorance of transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war)?
How do we make the counting corpses who are "blind"..."see" the ignorance of transforming this paradise planet lifeboat into a polluted pig pen?
The raw truth is unpalatable!
Great interview…there is no doubt the deconstruction of the age-old structure is complete and very soon it would fall down like a pack of cards. It is like a tree standing and looking strong but internally eaten up by worms and nothing can stop the process…yes, freedom starts from questioning everything, every concepts, ideology must be questioned and he who dares to question is free…
After I watched this I can never look at a "christian" again and see how much of a hypocrite they are
try Islam! You will love their hypocrisy!
@@thomashamilton5817 you are likely stupid enough to believe they are different
@@WileECoyotey i was implying they were no different.
Religion continues to create suffering to this day (Buddhists in Myanmar, Hindu nationalists in India, Muslims in Saudi Arabia)
Evangelical Imperialists yes, Gnostic Christians no.
cannot wait to watch this
Biased propaganda
Cant wait to watch the film
Thanks Roxanne, for your comments....we are in a Kairos moment...the appointed time, in the purpose of God..Thanks for your encouragements.
How about the present colonisation of Africa by China? Shouldn't we learn from past mistakes?
Whataboutism...
@@scj3188 Cry more
No, China is a friend of the NBA and the Democratic Party. So, they get a pass.
I have a feeling you’re not so much concerned about Africa really
It is happening infront of all our eyes, its a slow motion take over untie China brings its military there then it will get Aggressive and the west will sit back and watch
I am deeply disturbed by the distribution of this very important work. Here in Canada, Crave has the HBO rights and it is difficult and expensive to access. I hope the HBO "colonialism" will soon be disposed of and general access will be available in some easy online rental format. Right now, it would cast me $100. in annual subscription for an HBO Add-on. That's the "corporate neo-colonialism" I cannot bear.
I agree! It’s not available in Australia either without Foxtel/cable subscription. Boo to capitalism the contemporary coloniser 👎🏽
We know who the brutes are
thank you for sharing this facts! I was wondering if I was alone talking of the failure of this system and the incredible power of humans to actually in this today we our collective knowledge to fix for once all this mess and create the greatest civilization, the Human.
Unbelievable how the genocide of the native Americans and African slavery still does not feature in the narrative of the US. This film will contribute to this. Looking forward to watch the hbo film online. Thank you to all those who made this project a reality. Raoul Peck will join Mahmoud Mamdani, Ramon Grosfoguel, Walter Mignolo to help us understand the world and our place in it. "The world is hungry for the truth" -Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz. Liberating yes.
Yes it does, so you are not paying attention then
@Tani J Well said and completely true.
@Tani J Again with the fake narrative about how the civil war was about slavery... Whites fought the civil war in order to either secede from the union or to preserve the Union if anything the african-americans that volunteered fought specifically to end slavery.
Slavery was not cited as a justification at all until Lincoln gave his state of the Union address, and by then the Southern states had already seceded and in armed revolt.
Both those atrocities were initiated by the British. This fact is always overlooked and full responsibility placed on a country that did not exist. They R trying to absolve Britain and blame America for all of it. The American people have been denied knowledge of most of their history
@@jaydiddat2127 I agree I think Europe and the uk itself has a lot to do with what happened here in the USA
Thanks for giving the definition of Eurocentric, this is a concept to be well understood...during the Movement.
I agree with Charles C. Mann (author of "1491", "1493") -- contact with the Americas blew the Europeans' minds. Better agriculture, bigger cities, 20x more gold than existed in Europe, many sub cultures that have almost no hierarchy or taxation. The Euros were forced to have more self-awareness by the sheer magnitude of these differences, most of which favored the Americans.
The challenge for documentary film making in this area is to lay out the untold, lesser known parts of truth without getting bogged down refuting the dominant myths. The more that the narrative is focused on myth busting the more confrontational it seems. Such a dynamic can fuel even more tribalism while inhibiting the opportunity to improve the accuracy of history.
Yeah.....the human sacrificing was much more advanced in the Americas. Keep up the cherry picking!
@@STELLASCUTENESS Cherries are a terrible crop -- susceptible to squirrels and birds, low yield. I much prefer the Peruvian potatoes that increased yield per acre by 400% when they were brought to Europe. Or their tomatoes which can grow and yield indefinitely and are the tops of the same genus of plant as potatoes.
@@apollocobain8363 I take your second comment more seriously than your first. Is that what you intended? You forgot mushrooms.....which you obviously enjoy.
You seem to be arguing that Myth busting is somehow a negative. It's not clear what you're actually advocating for, but the fact that you end your initial post with an indictment of "myth busting" a fueling MORE hate/tribalism...I have no choice but to infer that you're white (or operating under and for white privilege). You're basically saying that talking about racism is the problem...not the actual racism. I mean, the criteria that you're using to judge "myth busting" is pretty laughable...so ignorant, angry white racists are going to be.....ugggh....MORE racist? You're completely cherry-picking the impact of this revealing documentary and only highlighting the potential negatives of a select group in an effort to dismiss it? And who the f*** cares about how much better farming practices were? Unless you're tying that piece into a bigger point...WTF are you babbling about?
@@davehan241 My point was that tribalism inhibits the ability to improve the accuracy of history. You seem to have projected your own anger and issues onto my very simple observation of the dynamics of the discussion of history, thus providing an illustration of my point.
I use the term "Americans" to refer to the people living in the Americas before Columbus, aka "indians" (sic). That may have added to your confusion.
1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus: www.supersummary.com/mann-1491/summary/
Outstanding. We are all asleep 😴
Mr. Peck is on the right path, but needs to dig a little further on who encompassed the aboriginal people of America.
@@kipwonder2233 Mr. Peck is giving us a version of the history, but there are important details that are being left out. Which maybe, he had to do in order to get financed. I definitely agree that it’s closer to the truth.
you should have asked Gerald Horne...he's more conversant on the subject!!!
You bring up a very good point about lack of Native voices. I (like most of us here) are very ignorant and have been taught BS most of our lives, so any media bucking that trend is helpful. You seem to be going out of your way to comment on this video and point out weaknesses, but being irate at how ignorant we are at this point isn't as helpful as sharing your knowledge. I have no idea who Gerald Home is. Why is he important and give us your take on how he applies to this discussion? Yes I can read wikipedia, but that doesn't mean I'll want to READ him.
@@davehan241 Dr. Horne has written several books that are directly on point in this discussion and which dig deep into the nature of settler colonialism He covers 17th and 18th pre-1776 American history that touch on many points made in the documentary. His work would complement the film and fit within the matrix. His voice would have been interesting in this interview. I agree with that. In fact, I pulled out some Horne books after watching the documentary.
Remember, the United States were originally the British
this docuseries is sociologist approved. entirely accurate from a scholarly lens
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"challenges how history is being written". What does that mean?
Eurocentric got there blessing from the Pope. He was the higher boss who think he's Yahsura and he's wrong. They found 758 graves of little Indigious children in midwest Canada. Why did his priest and Nuns kill those kids. Her sins has reach all the way up to The Almighty God Jehovah and as you see her sins are being exposed all over the world. Babylon the Great is falling people see the signs.
Long overdue. How can this documentary be implemented into the American school system. It needs to be taught.
Good luck with that.
It already is minus the Marxist propaganda.
This is why we don’t us film making as a substitute for actual research. What it does not tell you is that all people have engaged in conquest in human history. The difference being that some cultures forward the human condition while building an empire while others don’t. The Huns and the Mongols did little to advance science, art and philosophy unlike the Greeks, Romans and British.
where is the Native voice on this commentary?
Dunbar-Oritz?
Verona Iriarte this is his documentary and he financed it with his own money so if you desire to hear a native American voice, than you should finance and produce your own documentary!
2020 SECURE THE AG CULTURE WAR GET AN AMISTAD FOR HELPING THEN I LOST MY BREATH I CANT BREATH
Why is the Haitian, living in Paris, not talking about francophone Africa? Y is his focus on America?
Waiting on Bucking Breaking
there is NO american indian...we were here before america...the trigger for emancipation happened when Tainos revolted against the Spanish...it did not begin in Ayiti/Haiti
Taïnos are from where? Ayiti! Where was the cross buried at Columbus arrival to claim the new lands? Ayiti! Keep searching and ask your elders.
@@Kozeklosa TAINOS are from all of the Caribbean as I am Taino.
@@veronairiarte5739 and it was Siboney in Ayiti/Kiskeya/Bohio that started the first revolt! It wad the Taïnos who helped the maroons by teaching them the secret water holes and the lay of the land. The destruction of 500 million natives started in Ayiti and the liberation movement won in Ayiti. I am not just Taïno, I am a citizen of mother earth of Red/black/ white blood!
@@Kozeklosa I am Taino/Boriken and I know the story of Ayiti as well and they weren't the first to start that revolt...it was a collaboration among our relatives in the Caribbean...Tainos were the 1st maroons...this is the story no one wants to tell except Lynne Guitar...my folks came from maroon areas in Boriken...
even Haile Gerima who is working on a film about maroons failed to listen to my contribution to this as he had asked me to contribute...and the stories continue!!!
Why He does not mention Palestine as a Genocide, cus it is? Too new, cus it's been happening since 1948**
Verona Iriarte why are you displaying passive aggressiveness toward the producer? are you upset that this black man had the where with all and the cognitive ability to produce such a master piece and the fact that he is being recognized globally?
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God had a way different better route. then all these movements started n everything is a mess. enjoy your Authoritarianism and competitions
Your missing ADOS representation. Why?
@Z*....the haitian diaspora isn't ADOS; I'm
w/you on this. Not one other ethnic group has been so INDELIBLY MARKED by SLAVERY, as that of AMERICAN DESCENDANTS OF CHATTEL SLAVERY...NONE!!!! This makes me terribly sad.
The film maker is from Haiti the Carribean and the south us is filled with the same people captured and enslaved
@Tani J hell no, not him. He is a loud mouth bigot who disrespects the ancestors and likes to mock and call us names
@@whysugah95 U show complete ignorance of the Haitian revolution. Haiti is still paying reparations to France and they still have the distinction of being the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere
Love this doc interested to see what the Caucasian’s think
@Tani J lol type of responses I expected ! Y’all jus watched the doc for rebuttals, not to actually give thought. A bore yaaawn !!
@Tani J U not talking about America
I wont entertain that. and you wont be practicing your interpretations of Tantra Weaving on me youre probably new at that and I dont have time for that unless I need then I user
By Eurocentric meaning to reject reason , logic, rationality and scientific methodology in favor of gut feelings? Sorry no! 2 plus 2 is objectively true. We know that because of the scientific method born of the Enlightenment. I’m sorry but that was not centered in Native American culture , from Asia culture or Africa culture.
I actually HATE television, and I have NO cable or antenna connection to TV. I watch everything on internet, which is "more free" than the old limits of television, "tuning in" at such and such a time for scheduled programs - I haven't done that in years. Raoul needs to move distribution out of the TV matrix, which has been abandoned by many despite the popularity of some TV series. I was greatly surprised at Canada's "Crave" network for TV and the relentless garbage action adventures it carries. I signed in and signed out in an hour, as I saw all that crap and ran away. I will NOT be seeing "Eliminate All The Brutes" on "colonized" TV.
So as to reflect more of a balanced account, I do believe that his next film should be about the colonisation and the genocide, extermination of black on black and how black tribal heads and leadership worked in tandem with the Europeans in rounding up blacks feeding the atrocious slave trade....?
😂😂😂Thank you for demonstrating yt fragility in action. Deflection is a key tool in the yt supemacists tool kit🙄 Let's just talk about "African kings" getting in boats and Exterminating 100 million Native peoples in North America. Or the exterminating of Tasmanians and the STARVING of 90 million South Asians or the Extermination of Namibians in Concentration camps, or the dropping of Nuclear Bombs on Japan etc....Oh Africans DIDN'T do any of that🙄 it was YOU!!!!
We know this stories already, that's the only story in the Eurocentric textbooks we all read , its time to talk about the resistance and all the revolts and wars that happened in Africa against slavery, like queen nzinga cutting the Portuguese slave masters head those are the pictures we want to see now .
@@inspektahdeck1554 well do the research. how will this help you though ...'knowing all this''?
@@SpencerCourtis I Know these stories already , the world needs to know.
this isthe thing I can get an idea of your toool if someone had one better you would help yourself and use it. well thats been done. Im done. Not only can you not lecture but youre drag me around either. I just do it. Way different version than I ever show anyon in the world so I have a pretty good idea. I like Dogma . You like entertainment and all kinda shit you cant do against God unless you do it here im America which is beomcing short lived
I'm a 74yo white male and have been left of center all my adult years but I get profiled as a supremacist.
As my final years tick away this get even end game will be a compelling show.. I'm sure the wealthy libs on the hill have all the answers... 😆
This work is a God-awful package of propaganda. It’s utterly absent of any rational or useful perspective at all. The simple truth is to compare yesterday to today without having one iota of care for the rules, beliefs, and realities of the times is the undertaking of a complete fool. I truly feel sorry for people who entrap themselves in the endless net of excuses and resentments that today’s society so adeptly offers up. Propagating this bile is just about the most evil act one can partake in while still managing to fool themselves enough to be ignorant of the true product of their efforts.
Wt fragility should be a study in Psychology under the umbrella of broken psyches. Your comment is a textbook fractured psyche response.
@@lf1496 Name calling accompanied by the absence of any other evidence of rational disagreement is the epitome of frustration borne in self-admission of guilt. Your words in particular are indicative of self-flattery and tinged with the very racism you proclaim you challenge. All you accomplished was proving the very meaning of my words.
I'll make it more simple. The real thing people like you can’t seem to reconcile is the realization that no one in particular thinks much about you - not good, not bad…..just nothing at all. (Except for this moment.) Things are much more basic and brutish (to borrow a word), and far less conspiratorial than those of your ilk would ever dare to imagine. The world would be too lonely and the blame to singularly focused, on yourself, for your ego to ever survive such a realization.
More evil than extermination of people, destabilizing of ancient thriving cultures, and dehumanizing human being into commodities that were forced to build a nation under a system that tells them the color of their skin makes them less worthy.... It must be nice to look at history and the systems of oppression with such simplicity.
@@riss3690 Show me a time in history when that wasn’t the case….. show me a culture that didn’t do the same in some manner……other than today. You’re living in the 21st century. Don’t be such a pathetic appropriator of something you never experienced. You’re suffering nothing but self-aggrandizing victimhood, and fostering that ideology does permanent damage to more people than just yourself.
@@STELLASCUTENESS what victimhood? The genocide of millions of black and brown people by the European nations is a historical fact. They established a system of white supremacy and capitalism that we still live under today. My people are thriving in spite of all that. Just say you can't deal with the truth about your ancestors and move along. We don't have to participate in the lies.
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Excellent post-film commentary. Now lets see if they will continue to cling to the illusions of whiteness or if they will enter the greater human aspiration for truth and a higher plane of existence. Lord knows, its time to actively evolve ourselves
Can't reply to you clap trap because youtube finds any debate offensive.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali Author of “Infidel: My Life” has an interesting view on the west’s impact both negative in the form of the content of the movie introduced by Mr Peck but also the positive solutions that have allowed peoples from all over the world to gain freedoms that their cultures would not allow. Her experience as a Muslim woman and the release from the oppressive culture she came from in Africa when she came to Holland is an example of the western world not only moving past repression and exploitation but leading the world towards freedom and peace. The future is bright for all peoples, we HAVE learned from our past and here in America we are changing the culture too.
"Truth" is unfortunately not always "fact". And there is no "higher plane of existence". So I'm afraid your antiquated ideas of humanity are all ready well, out of date. "Whiteness" as you so humorously call it, is in it's dying days and has been for some time. What we are seeing is it's death gasp. The few, a real minority, clinging on to other antiquated ideas. You are fighting, in part your imagination. Something, unfortunately internalized, based on silly Hollywood movies, that were always mythology and never actual history, and the remnants of the deluded "winners" of days gone by. "Whiteness" doesn't exist and it never did. It was simply a temporary mass delusion in a world overrun by ignorance and naivety. The reason Eurasia dominated the past 1000-2000 years of "global" history, is because they were all fighting one another, which forced them to step up there game, technologically and tactically. Learning from one another through cultural diffusion was there real advantage. And now, since most people have access to that process, everyone has that opportunity to varying degrees. But that paradigm is dead. You, and this doc, are fighting a 90 year old man in the last days of his, personally celebrated life. Delusions of grandeur and all that. And those still clinging to that paradigm will be lost in the current. Because it only flows in one direction.
Ortiz is no expert...her book has major flaws!!!
Then you write a better one. 😬
His next film should be about the genocide and unprecedented mass human suffering inflicted on mankind in the name of Marxism.