WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO PRAY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, FEFOR TO PERFORM A JOB WHATEVER THAT IS AND SPECIALLY IN HARD MOMENTS..., TALK TO THE CREATOR YH TZEVAOT ASK HIM TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU...TO SHOW YOU HIS TRUTH, HIS MERCY..FOR SURE HE WILL DO.. AMEN AMEN.
Captain Bishop (third pilot) is a legend for how he managed that situation and still thought about innocent bystanders. No words man, very few people on earth are capable of this empathy facing certain death
My dad died in a plane crash in 1984. He was piloting a small piper craft. It came straight down without a sound in a farmer's field. They still don't know what happened. I can relate so much to this video. Thank you for an excellent video, and RIP to all the deceased from these flights.
In the 90s, i refused to fly on a 737 because of these unsolved crashes. It is astonishing that the FAA never grounded the 737 fleet nationwide after the second crash ... then again, it's not astonishing at all, especially in those days.
Considering the tens of thousands of flights that were and are still made on Boeing 737s with only two crashing of mysterious circumstances it's not really hard to see why the plane didn't get grounded.
@@RobbyHouseIV And yet despite the tens of thousands of flights that were and are still made on Boeing 737s, in 2019, the entire worldwide fleet of 737-MAXs was grounded with only two MAXs crashing of -- at the time -- mysterious circumstances. In fact, more than 40 countries in 2019 banned the 737 MAX from flying in their airspace. And in 2024, 170 MAX 9s were grounded after a door plug flew off one of them. So, yes, it's astonishing that the FAA didn't ground the nationwide fleet of 737s in the early 1990s, viewed through 2019 and 2024 lenses.
This happened on my 21st birthday. It was in Widefield which is a suburb of Colorado Springs. About a week later I rode to the crash site on my motorcycle to pay my respects because one of my coaches from my high school was on the plane. It was very close to apartments and houses. That plane shattered into literally millions of pieces. The whole area still reeked of jet fuel and there were still fragments of the plane all over the ground. I’ll never forget that smell. You can’t imagine the violence of a plane crash until you see it for yourself. RIP.
I was there 10 minutes after it hit the ground. There was nothing left. I think a lot of it buried itself into the ground because where it hit, if you remember, there was water there from carp Lake across Fontaine boulevard that had evaporated recently.
I didn't hear or know about this United crash until now. And I live In Colorado!? I do remember the Commercial aircraft piloted by a Women that had a fire in luggage/ Freight compartment filling cabin with toxic smoke. This doomed Plane nose dived into the Florida Everglades at 500mph , never to be seen again!
The pilot and the copilot are real heroes. They avoided the populated area. Rest in peace all of the victims. My condolences to all of their loved ones.
WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO PRAY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, FEFOR TO PERFORM A JOB WHATEVER THAT IS AND SPECIALLY IN HARD MOMENTS..., TALK TO THE CREATOR YH TZEVAOT ASK HIM TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU...TO SHOW YOU HIS TRUTH, HIS MERCY..FOR SURE HE WILL DO.. AMEN AMEN.
This just cements my belief that pilots are amazing people… the things that they must know and how they must handle stress and chaos. I’m no novice flyer… in 30+ years of business travel, I’ve logged 4 million miles, that I’ve arrived safely every time is proof of amazing flight crews.
WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO PRAY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, FEFOR TO PERFORM A JOB WHATEVER THAT IS AND SPECIALLY IN HARD MOMENTS..., TALK TO THE CREATOR YH TZEVAOT ASK HIM TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU...TO SHOW YOU HIS TRUTH, HIS MERCY..FOR SURE HE WILL DO.. AMEN AMEN.
I always flew United, when I lived in the SF Bay Area, to my hometown of Denver, to visit my Dad, & friends there. When my Dad suffered a heart attack & was in ICU, I had to drive from my home in Mtn. View, to San Jose Airport to catch the last flight to Denver, leaving at 1150 PM, PST. United waited for me, for 17 minutes, as I raced to get there , park, & get a ride to the tarmac. I'll never forget the kindness of the crew, & passengers, willing to wait for me. That was in July of 1992, a world so far different from today. --------MJL, 76 y/o
United Airlines took care of me too, few years ago, when I was 5 months pregnant and another airline had cancelled my flight home (was on a business trip). Due to hormones I started crying at the airport, and I really wanted to go home, I didn’t want to sleep at the airport being pregnant… UA took me and booked me on a flight home, told me not to worry about the ticket and price difference they will sort it out. I will never forget their kindness.
As you saw, sirs, it was Not "pilot error." It was a little bitty valve. Thank goodness that investigator had heard that story from a fellow's military experience that caused for extreme temperature tests to be made on that valve.
Yeah the people who designed the valve tested it at every temperature they could think of... but didn't think to test a differential temperature. The fatal flaw only came when the core was warm and the outer shell was cold. It's so precisely shaped that ANY shrinkage in the outer shell would cause it to stick.
I'm from Yuma County Colorado and actually heard about this crash a week after it happened. As I was a young kid at the time, I burst in tears over the lose of the human lives and preyed that night for the families that lost family in the crash.
@@opiebluwsit9751 little bit. If something goes wrong 35,000 feet in the air, you’re pretty much done for. When you’re on the ground, you have more of a chance. Still a big responsibility though.
the idea of spinning to the ground with no control of your aircraft like that is horrifying. those poor souls😔 props to the investigators for their acuity. I can’t imagine how many lives they’ve saved
Terrifying for the pilots especially, since they had to know/realize in that moment they had no adequate altitude at that time of landing to correct the assumed freak anomaly. They probably went down hopelessly trying to do all they could 😢
How terrifying that must have been for them. I think what scares me the most at the though of a plane crash is having enough time to realize what's happening before the impact, but being powerless to stop it. Those poor people knew they were heading towards their deaths. Thankfully they went quickly. God rest their souls ❤
I enjoy these informational videos as well. As a flight attendant, I’ve served over 34 years with the airline industry. Although these types of videos are a frighteningly part of reality, one needs to consider that air travel is still the safest form of transportation. Looking at the percentage of flights per day against the amount air disasters, there is no comparison. Air travel is extremely safe. What I wrestle with is the percentage given for pilot error (70%) versus mechanical error whether it be by maker of the particular aircraft (Boeing, Airbus) versus the airlines maintenance programs and the spread of time between complete overhaul and inspection of each aircraft. In order for the airlines to make money, the aircraft needs to be in the air. The longer the aircraft is sitting on the ground, the less money the company makes. An alarming example is the Air Alaska MD83 that inverted and crashed into the pacific. The cause of the crash was the fact that the jacks screw in the tail that controls the pitch of the aircraft broke. The jack screw broke from lack of maintenance checks, and extended intervals between major overhauls that an airline mandates, in this case, Air Alaska. So, in my humble opinion, accidents and crashes of airplanes are more related to company maintenance programs and the manufacturer’s that created the aircraft than from pilot error. I can assure anyone that might have doubts regarding pilot training and error that the pilots’ desire to walk off the jet and get home to their families as much as anyone else’s.
I understand that flying is considered the safest way to travel but I can't help but think that at in the case of mechanical/equipment/parts issues, if it happens in a vehicle it is less likely to crash, where in a Plane it's pretty much a terrorizing 30 seconds (in these cases) of knowing for sure your time on Earth is over. I used to fly from CA to OH & back once or twice a year for 12 years & was never afraid, I actually enjoyed it. I preferred to fly on the largest plane available, & always at night to avoid crowded flights & was almost always able to once the Pilot turned off the seat belt sign, I always found a center row empty & could grab a pillow & blanket, lay down, strapping my legs & upper body & sleep like a baby the entire flight to Chicago where I always caught my connecting flight to OH. Since moving back to OH just a couple years before these accidents happened I have panic issues about flying. As of currently, I'm not sure I could even get on a plane without some serious sedatives. I hate feeling that I feel this way now because I dread long drives & get zero sleep even as a passenger because I want to stay awake & make sure whoever driving stays awake/alert but I still have panic over other drivers on the road so once again preferring to travel at night when there isn't as much traffic. I shouldn't even be watching videos like this, it definitely doesn't help my anxiety. But, I too enjoy the informational aspect involved., airplanes & flying always facinated me until it didn't. 😢😮😒
@@jro9365 Yeah. if you drive then as long as you drive defensively and at reasonable hours of the day then your odds of death are extremely extremely low. Better yet if you stay off of the highway except for necessary travel. On planes though, the most you can really do is pray
It’s crazy to think that this could have continued in crazy succession if the cause was not discovered. Special thanks to the NTSB for their dedication and service.
I imagine if Bishops plane would have went down in the same manner that 3rd incident would have grounded the 737 fleet. By this time even with a few years gap a pattern emerged.
Pilots are amazing individuals. The man with the military experience suggested to test with cold to hot. That man saved the day. Thank God for smart people 🙏
@@reneeanderson9756 It should be pretty obvious to anyone with a cursory scientific background (which I possess well beyond and at a graduate degree level..that is to say, while I am not an aviator I am well versed in scientific methodology and carefully controlled testing) or even basic common sense that one must endeavor to conduct failure tests in environments similar to those in which the failed component was exposed, simulate those conditions in as close a way as possible. Apparently, it took several years for this to occur to someone and that is definitely weird. What is so hard to understand there...or are you just in an obtuse kind of mood? LOL. EDIT: Oh, also "yelling at the screen" is kind of a figure of speech, not always meant to be taken literally...in my experience anyway. It is almost sounding like you live in a very different cultural or intellectual milieu if you will forgive that speculation.
@@michaelesgro9506 They were also assuming that they would see evidence of scratches after removing the valve but the two were not mutually exclusive...
Two of my co workers were on that flight. They had a choice to continue on to Colorado Springs from Stapleton. Thankfully they got off in Denver. Two nice guys.
I was 11 years old when this happened and when I had ever seen a plane accident in my life on the news. I was so shocked and horrified by how fast it happened and how everyone lost their lives and I could never think that the rest of my life it would have effected me so badly that I still in my 40s have never been able to get on a plane. My little heart broke that day for all who lost their lives and loved ones. This was so heartbreaking and tragic. Rip all. 😢
I remember a plane crash on the news when I was a kid. I'm terrified to fly due to this. Just recently went on a trip that required four different plane connections. Not my first time, either. However, I was terrified the entire flight(s).
Plane crashes are rare only chances of crashing by a average skilled pilot is only 0.03% chance and by a skilled driver of a car that can crash is 10.34% chance that you will die
Let's not forget the trauma that these investigators see every time they go into a crash site. Things that you couldn't "unsee" if you lived to be a thousand years old. It has to take its toll.
PTSD - it can happen to investigators and any profession aiding in recovery missions from disasters with massive human cost, not just the people who sometimes survive these things and unfortunately, it's incurable.
I am a retired 737 Captain for a major airline. I knew Captain Bishop. If it wasn’t for him, the NTSB would have never been able to figure out the cause of those accidents. His account of what happened helped.
34:28 "June 9, 1996 the finally get the break they've been looking for." Eastwind Flight 517 (B737-200) to Richmond, VA has rudder failure twice, pilot Capt Brian Bishop recovers the aircraft and lands safely. This incident triggered more research into the rudder hardover and reversal. 46:37 "In the 737 fleet, pilots are now trained on how to react to both rudder hardover's and reversal's." R.I.P. to UA585 and US472 Crew and Passengers.
In 1962 when I was 10 I was on a Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to Nuremberg. The stewardesses had just given everyone on the plane their choice of tomato juice, orange juice or apple juice including the pilots. They also drank some. 5 minutes later the plane was hit by clear air turbulence which was not well known or understood in those days. Everyone on the plane was throwing up as the plane dropped 7,000 feet uncontrollably in about 5 seconds. Even the pilots were sick. People were screaming and everyone including me thought we were going to die. The pilots recovered and we landed without further incident. But it gave me a lifetime fear of flying and of ever flying with Lufthansa ever again.
In 1991, I was a passenger on a flight into Colorado Springs and experienced the worst turbulence of any flight I had ever been on. I pledged never to fly in there again.
Not a miracle at all.. it's science, following the trail of evidence.. it's when money and fault come into play when some people refuse to accept responsibility for their hand in the accidents..
It's terrifying how in just 10 seconds, the plane spiraled out of control so close to the ground! Who would have thought a tiny fault in the rudder control valve could lead to such a massive tragedy!
It turned out it wasn't the crosswind or turbulence that caused the accident. It was an inherent flaw in the rudder control unit in the Boeing 737. So many 737 variants have taken lives due to the fault of seemingly minor electronic or mechanical faults I have absolutely no trust or faith in Boeing. I'll fly with the carriers that use Airbus jets, even if it costs more, as I'd rather make it to my destination without the risk of violent death due to cost cutting in production or maintenance.
My Dad flew commercil for 35 years after leaving the Army. Not once did he have a serious incident. He flew from N America to S America. I went with him one time on a 7 day trip, and landed in every Central American Airport. Some of the Airports were pretty scary tucked in between two mountains. I never had an uncomfortable moment during my 7 days. Actually you are safer in an Airplane vs. driving our highways.
I am afraid of both. However I am not as afraid if I fly alone rather that with a friend or family member. If I am alone I feel like I am not responsible for saving someone I know and love. Guess that leaves me free to die in peace. Lol
There is plenty of craziness going on in the world nowadays but when it comes to flying in aircraft everywhere in the world people take extreme care to make sure there are no plane crashes. Thanks to professionals like those at the NTSB who find issues sometimes before or sometimes after an incident and make sure they never happen again.
@@notthatkindofdino pssft that's an easy answer. When you choose equity over equality. The quality of outcomes goes down with equity. But with equality of opportunity, and not equality of outcomes. That is a desirable outcome. Equality of opportunity gives everyone a chance to prove their intelligence and skill. Only those who meet those requirements win and not based on race religion sex or creed. Equity or things like affirmative action only put people in positions because of their race religion sex or creed and not achievements. That's a very dangerous road we are going down in the western civilization. Something we need to get rid of asap.
@@nickreed3031You’ve hit the nail on the head. Equity (a.k.a. “equality of outcome”) needs to die, and soon. Luckily, the SCOTUS has already helped out by killing AA in college admissions, but much more still needs to be done.
Despite the tragedy, I really appreciate investigations, accident reports, and shows like this. I watch them a lot. Being in the industry myself, they are vital for learning, since we will never see every situation ourselves. I always hope, if some emergency were to happen, I would have learned something through studying stuff like this that will save myself and others. Bravo to the crew for keeping it together enough to avoid hitting things on the ground, despite knowing they weren't going to make it. Also, I hate to be that guy but.....Nautical miles for distance. Nautical miles per hour for speed. Feet for altitude, etc. These are the ICAO standards for aviation. When trying to listen and learn from these stories, it is incredibly disorienting to have the wrong units used and having to estimate conversions in real time instead of following the story. Edit: This is not an American imperial vs metric thing. The vast majority of nations in the world use these units. Only a handful of former soviet states use meters for attitude, as far as I am aware. If you are using metric because the world uses it, that is actually not true in aviation.
The series is Canadian in origin, and is meant for a layman audience. Canada uses metric, and thus the narrator is describing things in terms most of the viewing audience is more likely to easily understand. It's not a series meant to be used as a teaching tool for people in the aviation industry, any more than Rescue 911 was meant to be a tool for instructing paramedics, and thus has the narrator transpose the speeds, distances, and altitudes into terms a layman audience is familiar with, while typically having the re-enactors use the actual terminology, often repeating what was recorded via CVR. Basically, what I'm say is, this isn't a show meant for what you seem to want it to be. It's a show for a casual viewing audience, not some kind of educational tool for pilots, and the language choices are made as such.
Finding metal shavings in the oil doesn't sound like something you'd just "dismiss." That metal has to be coming from somewhere inside the component. So that means that somewhere inside this valve the metal is being ground up.
Hydraulic fluids only slow down the grinding process,it doesn’t stop it. Your car oil is full of metal shavings too. That’s why you should get your oil tested once a year. You can find out how badly worn internal components are before the engine just quits. Those valves have filters to keep the shavings out of critical components. That’s w there weren’t any abrasion marks on the sliders
The source of the metal fragments would be where the fluid pressure is created, in the pump. And filters do eliminate the fragments before they get to the valve.
You gotta admit with how easy things go wrong on flights from weird problems that more plains don't crash it really says alot about the pilots investigators and air craft designers
..NEVER stood a chance. NO aircraft EVER designed or built could have pulled out of this FREAK phenomenon. Can’t believe I’ve never SEEN OR HEARD about this particular flight..
@@Carter-dv4hz Actually... There are two wings because the plane can't fly without them both due to its design. Has nothing to do with redundancy. I can appreciate the comment though. Sounds good. Give me two engines any day of the week. :)
I remember the 585 crash as I was living in Colorado Springs close to the airport. Then a few years later I was on a mission's trip to Mexico and happened to talk to one of the NTSB investigators on this trip about the crash of 585. He explained how the hydraulics to the flight controls responded exactly opposite to what the pilots expected when they tried to correct the sudden loss of control stating there was a flaw in the manufacturing of a part that led to the crashes. Seeing this brought back the memories of that chance encounter. Interesting job he had.
QUOTE 6:05 "NTSB investigators examine over 2000 accidents a year." That's a lot more than I would have thought! We don't see much of it in the news. 2000 Wow!
Thank God for the third pilots for being strong and staying focused to witness the cause of his plain to react to the landing. He saved his passenger and his crew. Thank you to the man and women who did their long investigation.
Most people do not think of the end to end complexity of air travel. Imagine the technology and skilled people it takes to perform many thousands of flights daily all over the world.
I flew from Denver to the springs and that flight is rough. Your flying low and the turbulence is crazy rough. I heard the engines Rev a few times to try to stay up. My grandmother lived 4 mins from the airport and she heard the slam. Felt like a earthquake.
The terrain & weather there always seems pretty calm from the ground. But, a friend's son went to the Air Force Academy and says it's anything but once you get over 5000 feet
I had a similar situation happen when flying to Georgia while in the service. Our plane banked hard to the left to the point i thought we were going to role over. I remember everyone screening and the luggage falling out of the storage bins causing injuries to people on the plane. Some had significant cuts and bleeding that likely needed stitches. This was in 2001, I was lucky the pilots were trainer or i would not be here today.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, this recording was SUPER GREAT. The first TurboJet I ever flew on was a Frontier Airlines 737-100 from the early 70's. My Father worked for Frontier Airlines from the early 60's to 70's - such a Great Airline with the Turquoise Bow and the Gold Arrow. My Father said the 737 was the greatest passenger airliner ever, not 707, not 727, not 747. When we saw the reports of the many crashes of 737's we could not believe it. The PERFECT PLANE both in service and safety. Thank you for sharing. THANK YOU NTSB, 3rd Crew that survived and others that figured out what really happened. The 737 will still be the GREATEST / SAFEST Plane ever. Bobby Estey
This almost happened to me, thank god the pilot gained control. I was 16 years old on board with my mom and 8 teammates of mine and their parents. We hit bad turbulence most of flight, but as we were 30 minutes from landing, we ended up flipping side to side then UPSIDE down and we were all screaming and crying. Bag compartments flew open, it was HORRIBLE. We almost landed on a busy highway. But then the pilot was able to flip us back over and we safely landed but as we were landing, the pilot couldn’t get the plane to slow down and we kept bouncing almost out of control and collided with another plane. But then thankfully we came to the hardest stop I ever encountered out of of the plane flying I had done through my young years. After that I never wanted to ride a plane again. One of the scariest moments of my life I’ll never forget.
I know we all gotta die and we don’t know when or how…but seeing myself falling to my death and can’t do nothing gotta be the most terrifying for me…I’ve never flown and I never will..
So you’re comfortable getting in cars but not a plane? Everyone acknowledges that when it goes bad it’s really bad. But logically speaking, if you’re way more likely to die in a car crash, then with your logic why not just avoid cars and roads while you’re at it?
The Colorado Springs crash seems to have some cause from a weather phenomenon- a microburst. The guy in the truck who experienced a sudden rush of wind and almost flipping his truck at the same time as the crash is not coincidental
That's what I was thinking, I thought they discovered the wind shear effect around that time as well so I thought it was both. They even have wind shear warnings that they put out now, I can't remember if is the same as a microburst or not, only that it can happen in good weather and while landings. But for all the arm chair quarterbacking that goes on in the comments, all I can say is that they did suspect the rudder control from the first one but all of the tests were good. Luckily the military pilot or mechanic that someone spoke to had the answer on just how to test for the problem. It's easy to sit back and say "I knew it, don't know why they didn't do real life condition testing", with all of the tests they did on both crashed planes they tested the heck out them and sometimes you don't know to do something a different way until you do and then you get that "eureka" moment. I applaud every one of those investigators for never letting go of the first crash, and their determination to find the cause.
I experienced a microburst in COS. Pleasant day with a slight breeze, then suddenly the trees were bending over and what had to be a 70-80 mph gust of warm air was coming DOWN on me. No warning and over within a few seconds. Other trees in the area were moving more than they had been, but not like that burst. It's like it came straight down and dissipated across the ground in all directions. One of the most unusual experiences I've ever had. I imagine primitive people would associate the phenomenon with spirits or gods.
Not sure about that, How would they identify people by their fingerprints? It’s not like the people had their prints in some databases (unless they’d been arrested)
@@205ken4 By matching the print with another from their living space. They had a flight manifest identifying every passnger. It would have been a tedious procedure....but certainly possible.
Any airplane experts out there? Why did the problem suddenly show up in 1991? Since the first 737 went into service in February 1968. 23 years no problems, then 3 problems in 5 years? Using different mechanisms or parts? Different flying techniques? What?
There has only been two air disasters in the continental US since 11/2001. One in Kentucky and one in Buffalo (hope I remembered that correctly). When I was a kid there was at least one major incident every year. Now, they are rare, if at all. It attests to the amazing skill of investigators that identify problems, with subsequent implementation of new procedures, and aircraft modification. Considering the amount of flights over the continental US daily, its an amazing accomplishment that accidents here no longer occur.
The last one that occurred you have emergency exits opening up at 30,000 feet. Some guy was trying to pull lifgow, where someone takes out a window with a fire extinguisher. Pilots have to deal with all sorts of things. If they peak their head out of the cockpit to see what is happening, often times the seatbelt sign is on and passengers are standing up. People are walking around. Lighting up a cigarette. There isn’t any toilet paper in the john. The flight attendant is constantly going back and forth into the cockpit to tell the pilot to turn the air up in seat 25 B, turn the air down, up, down. Meanwhile the pilot is praying that when he comes through the clouds there is a runway and not a row of houses.
It always amazes me what these investigators are able to ascertain from the pieces of wreckage. I find it difficult to comprehend how they determine that something was broken before it crashes into the ground, rather than the crash itself was the cause of the destruction. Example, in this video they talk about finding dirt on the inner part of the jet, confirming that the engines were working at the time of the crash. But how do they know that it wasn't the jet crashing into the ground at 450 kilometers per hour, that got dirt in there?
I wondered the same thing until I watched alot of these Mayday episodes. Years of experience and blast patterns are probable the answer, just like you can the difference between a metal fatigue break and metal breaking from a blunt force.
And of course there are different types of ‘dirt.’ The local dirt there in Colorado Springs is probably of a different type. On the forensic crimes shows they go into a lot of detail about how they are able to determine things with lab testing, mass spectrometers etc.
If the engine parts are NOT moving the dirt adheres in a different pattern than if they are moving. For example a propeller would have frayed tips if it was rotating when it hit the ground but, it would just be bent if it wasn't rotating.
When they showed the areal shot of the crash, it totally looks like the outline of the plane. I can see every detail of the shape of the plane. What a terrible tragedy.😢
3:50 I can't imagine the absolute terror they must have felt. There is no way a human being could remain calm and focused while going through that. I'm not sure what caused this accident because I'm only at the beginning of the episode. But it's very sad and whether it was human error or mechanical failure. I hope they rest in peace. As great as this world may seem to us from time to time. It's a very dark and complicated place, so I refuse to believe they aren't in a better place now.
I flew to Colorado twice about 19 years ago and it is definitely the most scariest landing because of the high winds...I really thought we were going down
@@joysgirl The problem with the DEN - COS route is you never get high enough to get above the weather. I've flown that route dozens of times and a handful of them were extremely turbulent the entire 17 minute flight. By far it's the most unnerving route I've ever been on. I prefer flying out of DEN because once you take off, the plane gets above the "ground" winds pretty quickly and when you are landing, they can come down through them pretty fast too. I've definitely had some turbulence at DEN, but nothing like that DEN-COS leg.
@@C.Church investigators know that planes are equipped with doplar radar to spot storms with wind shear. They know wind shear can happen at any airport. And it’s a temporary situation.
I was 30 and living and working in the Springs when this happened, horrifying. I had to fly to phx the next week and was terrified. The flight from Denver to the Springs and vice versa was always turbulence ridden, so my most flights I was on there were never fun. It took me years to get over that story and the fear I felt the next week. RIP everyone on the flight. On one flight from Den to The springs we dropped 4000 ft due to wind and turbulence according to the pilot, everyone was scared spitless when that happened.
It's interesting that the investigators figured out that the valve in the PCU could reverse its action as well as jam. The video doesn't say that they figured out specifically what was wrong or mis-designed in the original valve. Just that they redesigned it and replaced every one. A buried flaw such as this can be the worst kind of problem. They had a similar buried problem with fuel filters on the 777. I believe this was resolved without loss of life but not without great expense in money and time.
It’s the N t s b that amazes me their persistence to figure out the horrific problem that lead to loss of souls onboard and to stay with figuring out the problem , where on the plane IS the problem is the most amazing thing to me , they are persistent , I commend them.
What an absolute horrific way to die. Upside down and watching the ground come at you. I’m afraid of flying so this is the realistic NON-RARE occurrence that my brain assumes is more than probable.
I worked on the 737 fleet removing and installing rudder actuators,after the AD note on the 737 fleet was issued. It’s sad that these things happen, but thankfully we found the issue and it won’t ever happen again.
Just something to think of when it comes to this. The 737 had been active for years and was one of the most popular planes at the time all around the world. Countless flights daily for decades... and 3 planes had this failure. It was a needle in a haystack at best. My grandfather was a USAir pilot and I remember the conversation he had had with my grandmother when this finally came out. He was furious but also relieved. Up to that point there was still talk of the USAir flight being pilot error.
@@thetruthhasconsequences58As have other nations air craft? USAir was a commercial airline. Specifically you'd know it as the airline Sully landed the airbus on Hudson with. My grandfather actually was a captain when Sully was a first officer and was though the roof when that bit hit the news. Lots shouting "that's right you fly the plane" just with a ton of cussing mixed in, lol.
My heart breaks for those on that flight and their families.. My first plane ride was to Colorado Springs. Talk about an adventure. On the same trip I also flew in and out on a small airplane. Fortunately I did continue to fly. Whenever I go to Colorado I fly into Denver and drive to the Springs or other locals.
@David Davis No I did not get sick. I was in my early 20's back then. If I tried it again today, I probably would get sick, and I would be sure I did not have any alcohol if I did it now
Wind sheer is common in Colorado. I experienced it when our plane landed in Denver. The plane was rocking and swinging by the wind. But the pilot must have fought hard to control the plane. We landed safely. To this day, every time I fly. I avoided a layover in Denver Airport.
The way US media presented after 737-max's crash, I was thinking before the max's crash, 737's had a clean history. But now I can say, 737's are extraordinally safe aircrafts with extraordinary crash capabilities.
Exactly. So many in the US federal government are quick to get defensive to the reputation of Boeing but the data of flights lost or nearly lost due to their QC and cost cutting completely contradicts that narrative. Far too many officials are compromised by bias towards Boeing probably because they get all kinds of cozy deals from them to maintain their dominance of the US airline industry. I'll take Airbus, thank you very much.
Having lived in The Springs for almost 2 decades, I was shocked to learn a jet like this had crashed near the city. However, crashes of small private planes were very common. This area can see the worst weather... from sustained hurricane force winds, wild fires, violent thunderstorms, damaging hail, and heavy snow. I have literally seen clear blue skies in the front yard and falling snow in the backyard. Until the true cause of the crash was uncovered, I think anyone who knows the wild weather here would have assumed it was meteorological.
I lost two acquaintances on 427...I traveled 100 days a year at that time and was terrified to be on a 737! Now that the 737 has MCASS, not sure I want to fly again!!!
The only time I thought I was gonna die was coming into Colorado Springs.. the pilot made an emergency pull up from landing. We circled around and eventually landed safely.
It always takes those “sacrifice planes” to then make the rest of them safer. Again, human error. It is a living miracle how any plane in the world can land safely without any of the zillion parts going wrong. All those pieces of the puzzle have to work accordingly or it’s a crash. It’s mind boggling. Scary too. “Have a nice flight”.
I can’t imagine what went through the pilots’ minds. I’m sure they did all they could, but likely knew they were doomed, having this incident happen so close to the ground. 😢 I’ve experienced large down burst from thunderstorms collapsing in tornado alley. They are freak, sudden, and can do a lot of damage in seconds if it happens in the wrong place at the wrong time. Crazy how the valve showed no initial failure. I feel for the crash site investigators too, traumatic stuff they look through.
@@tamevauch5948 You know how they say " Well when it's your time to go - it's your time to go ..." My answer to that has always been - " Well... When it's the Pilots time to go , I don't want to be with him "......!
When the plane first lurches...i'm getting concerned. And when the plane violently goes completely sideways...i'm thinking we might not make it. But when i hear the female copilot scream but its drowned out by the male pilot's EVEN LOUDER scream...i'm just gonna bend over and kiss my ass goodbye.
I am absolutely terrified of flying! I have had to fly a few times, but I shook almost the whole trip! I was in severe turbulence going from Kansas City to my hometown of Indianapolis, Indiana….the plane became so quiet all you could hear was people crying. When we safely landed the pilot said he wasn’t going to tell us, but changed his mind…we had just flown through a confirmed tornado. I never wanted to fly again! I have said the only pilot I would feel safe with is Captain Sully from the Hudson River landing! He was the best!
From what I remember, this story oversimplifies what happened. There was indeed violent crosswinds. In COS, it was the rotor wind. In the USAir case, it was the wake turbulence. The Eastwind flight hit some anomalous wind as well, but not as bad as the UA flight. It was the violent wind that made the pilots give full rudder which made the servo reverse. The planes were all flying straight and normal. The pilots would have no reason to give full rudder otherwise.
I knew Patty. And you are correct that initially the cause was thought to be rotor winds/wind shear. However, rudder reversal proved to be the case. Extreme winds do not cause rudder reversal. I flew the B-737-200. I taught Type ratings in it too. Today, I have four Type ratings: A-320, B-737, DC-9, F-27. I have been with my present airline for over 25 years and have logged 25,700 hours. Patty was a friend of mine from Tamiami Airport in Miami. RIP Patty!
I see why people initially thought that because that happened in the first two cases, but in the third case on Eastwinds 517 there was no violent wake or air turbulence and the loss of rudder control happened earlier in the approach process so they were able to recover. The terrifying truth of it was that in the right temperature conditions any regular rudder inputs could have malfunctioned the servo or reversed it. The pilots could simply be adjusting their course via rudder and it would happen. I will never fly in a Boeing 737 even after these upgrades, forget it.
It amazes me how they can examine shattered pieces most of us could barely tell are off an airplane and be able to figure out what it is, where its from, and what it was doing at the moment of impact.
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Exactly!!!
WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO PRAY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, FEFOR TO PERFORM A JOB WHATEVER THAT IS AND SPECIALLY IN HARD MOMENTS..., TALK TO THE CREATOR YH TZEVAOT ASK HIM TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU...TO SHOW YOU HIS TRUTH, HIS MERCY..FOR SURE HE WILL DO.. AMEN AMEN.
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Captain Bishop (third pilot) is a legend for how he managed that situation and still thought about innocent bystanders. No words man, very few people on earth are capable of this empathy facing certain death
@@eloishashalom1458 I'm sure all those people on those doomed flights prayed.
@@joysgirl PRAYED TO WHO?
@@eloishashalom1458
You God have a divine plan. Do you think He will change the divine plan to full fill people’s prayers? 😂 2:25
@@xbman1 NO "GOD" FOR ME THANK. YOU.
@@eloishashalom1458 WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING
My dad died in a plane crash in 1984. He was piloting a small piper craft. It came straight down without a sound in a farmer's field. They still don't know what happened. I can relate so much to this video.
Thank you for an excellent video, and RIP to all the deceased from these flights.
Sorry, idont believe the air turbulence was the cause
@@blairdelnero2762 I never said it was.
@@squatch545 I don't believe it was pilot error as they suggest either..
@@blairdelnero2762 They don't suggest it was pilot error. Did you even watch this video?
@@squatch545 did you?
In the 90s, i refused to fly on a 737 because of these unsolved crashes. It is astonishing that the FAA never grounded the 737 fleet nationwide after the second crash ... then again, it's not astonishing at all, especially in those days.
When I was a kid. It was the MD 11
Yup
Considering the tens of thousands of flights that were and are still made on Boeing 737s with only two crashing of mysterious circumstances it's not really hard to see why the plane didn't get grounded.
@@RobbyHouseIV And yet despite the tens of thousands of flights that were and are still made on Boeing 737s, in 2019, the entire worldwide fleet of 737-MAXs was grounded with only two MAXs crashing of -- at the time -- mysterious circumstances. In fact, more than 40 countries in 2019 banned the 737 MAX from flying in their airspace. And in 2024, 170 MAX 9s were grounded after a door plug flew off one of them. So, yes, it's astonishing that the FAA didn't ground the nationwide fleet of 737s in the early 1990s, viewed through 2019 and 2024 lenses.
@@zoso73No social media. Plus crashes happen more frequently back then. So the scare factor is lower back then.
This happened on my 21st birthday. It was in Widefield which is a suburb of Colorado Springs. About a week later I rode to the crash site on my motorcycle to pay my respects because one of my coaches from my high school was on the plane. It was very close to apartments and houses. That plane shattered into literally millions of pieces.
The whole area still reeked of jet fuel and there were still fragments of the plane all over the ground. I’ll never forget that smell. You can’t imagine the violence of a plane crash until you see it for yourself. RIP.
I was there 10 minutes after it hit the ground. There was nothing left. I think a lot of it buried itself into the ground because where it hit, if you remember, there was water there from carp Lake across Fontaine boulevard that had evaporated recently.
I didn't hear or know about this United crash until now. And I live
In Colorado!? I do remember the
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Freight compartment filling cabin with toxic smoke. This doomed
Plane nose dived into the Florida
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The pilot and the copilot are real heroes.
They avoided the populated area.
Rest in peace all of the victims.
My condolences to all of their loved ones.
WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO PRAY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, FEFOR TO PERFORM A JOB WHATEVER THAT IS AND SPECIALLY IN HARD MOMENTS..., TALK TO THE CREATOR YH TZEVAOT ASK HIM TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU...TO SHOW YOU HIS TRUTH, HIS MERCY..FOR SURE HE WILL DO.. AMEN AMEN.
I can’t stand that word condolences! What an awesome job these pilots did at eliminating the circumstance of having even more potential casualties.
They didn’t even had a chance to avoid the populated areas!!! What are you saying
This was not of their doing…..they didn’t even have a chance to avoid the populated areas…. Watch the video and listen
Was a wind sheer that caused the Accident??? I never heard anything else for the longest time.
This just cements my belief that pilots are amazing people… the things that they must know and how they must handle stress and chaos. I’m no novice flyer… in 30+ years of business travel, I’ve logged 4 million miles, that I’ve arrived safely every time is proof of amazing flight crews.
The odds have been in your favour. Please do let us all know when you next decide to fly again, and on what flight. 😏
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@@user-pn3im5sm7kexactly
It’s Why many of them are hired after flying in the military
WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO PRAY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, FEFOR TO PERFORM A JOB WHATEVER THAT IS AND SPECIALLY IN HARD MOMENTS..., TALK TO THE CREATOR YH TZEVAOT ASK HIM TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOU...TO SHOW YOU HIS TRUTH, HIS MERCY..FOR SURE HE WILL DO.. AMEN AMEN.
I always flew United, when I lived in the SF Bay Area, to my hometown of Denver, to visit my Dad, & friends there. When my Dad suffered a heart attack & was in ICU, I had to drive from my home in Mtn. View, to San Jose Airport to catch the last flight to Denver, leaving at 1150 PM, PST. United waited for me, for 17 minutes, as I raced to get there , park, & get a ride to the tarmac. I'll never forget the kindness of the crew, & passengers, willing to wait for me. That was in July of 1992, a world so far different from today. --------MJL, 76 y/o
United Airlines took care of me too, few years ago, when I was 5 months pregnant and another airline had cancelled my flight home (was on a business trip). Due to hormones I started crying at the airport, and I really wanted to go home, I didn’t want to sleep at the airport being pregnant… UA took me and booked me on a flight home, told me not to worry about the ticket and price difference they will sort it out. I will never forget their kindness.
Remember that the current United is actually continental which kept the united name. The holding company is ‘Continental Holding’.
@@speedbird7976 Passengers don't care about that speedturd
@@speedbird7976 i think it's the opposite. Continental was going bankrupt and United bought them out.
I have a F/A friend who now works for UAL and was previously with CO.
As you saw, sirs, it was Not "pilot error." It was a little bitty valve. Thank goodness that investigator had heard that story from a fellow's military experience that caused for extreme temperature tests to be made on that valve.
Yeah the people who designed the valve tested it at every temperature they could think of... but didn't think to test a differential temperature. The fatal flaw only came when the core was warm and the outer shell was cold. It's so precisely shaped that ANY shrinkage in the outer shell would cause it to stick.
I wish they would have more contingency when it comes to those little critical valves like that
That plane crashed less than 75 yards from my front door. It still haunts me till this day. The sound of impact, the smell as it burned...
Sorry to hear that. It must have been horrible to witness. Which flight was it?
@@squatch545 United 585
I'm so sorry, that had to have been traumatic. 🫂🫂
Oh my god.
I would have terrified for life!
I'm from Yuma County Colorado and actually heard about this crash a week after it happened. As I was a young kid at the time, I burst in tears over the lose of the human lives and preyed that night for the families that lost family in the crash.
@@viktorclark1674 Allah is one God God is Allah Allah has 99 names Allah is almighty
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I always make it a point to thank the pilots as I exit an aircraft. They have such an enormous responsibility.
Yes, I completely agree. I do the same thing!
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Any more than a bus driver?
@@opiebluwsit9751 little bit. If something goes wrong 35,000 feet in the air, you’re pretty much done for. When you’re on the ground, you have more of a chance. Still a big responsibility though.
No kidding even a little unprofessionalism can get their wings revoked and see them sued into oblivion
the idea of spinning to the ground with no control of your aircraft like that is horrifying. those poor souls😔 props to the investigators for their acuity. I can’t imagine how many lives they’ve saved
Truly horrifying. I can't imagine...
I would have died of a heart attack from fear alone before hitting the ground. I can't imagine.
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Terrifying for the pilots especially, since they had to know/realize in that moment they had no adequate altitude at that time of landing to correct the assumed freak anomaly. They probably went down hopelessly trying to do all they could 😢
How terrifying that must have been for them. I think what scares me the most at the though of a plane crash is having enough time to realize what's happening before the impact, but being powerless to stop it. Those poor people knew they were heading towards their deaths. Thankfully they went quickly. God rest their souls ❤
I enjoy these informational videos as well. As a flight attendant, I’ve served over 34 years with the airline industry. Although these types of videos are a frighteningly part of reality, one needs to consider that air travel is still the safest form of transportation. Looking at the percentage of flights per day against the amount air disasters, there is no comparison. Air travel is extremely safe.
What I wrestle with is the percentage given for pilot error (70%) versus mechanical error whether it be by maker of the particular aircraft (Boeing, Airbus) versus the airlines maintenance programs and the spread of time between complete overhaul and inspection of each aircraft. In order for the airlines to make money, the aircraft needs to be in the air. The longer the aircraft is sitting on the ground, the less money the company makes. An alarming example is the Air Alaska MD83 that inverted and crashed into the pacific. The cause of the crash was the fact that the jacks screw in the tail that controls the pitch of the aircraft broke. The jack screw broke from lack of maintenance checks, and extended intervals between major overhauls that an airline mandates, in this case, Air Alaska.
So, in my humble opinion, accidents and crashes of airplanes are more related to company maintenance programs and the manufacturer’s that created the aircraft than from pilot error. I can assure anyone that might have doubts regarding pilot training and error that the pilots’ desire to walk off the jet and get home to their families as much as anyone else’s.
I understand that flying is considered the safest way to travel but I can't help but think that at in the case of mechanical/equipment/parts issues, if it happens in a vehicle it is less likely to crash, where in a Plane it's pretty much a terrorizing 30 seconds (in these cases) of knowing for sure your time on Earth is over. I used to fly from CA to OH & back once or twice a year for 12 years & was never afraid, I actually enjoyed it. I preferred to fly on the largest plane available, & always at night to avoid crowded flights & was almost always able to once the Pilot turned off the seat belt sign, I always found a center row empty & could grab a pillow & blanket, lay down, strapping my legs & upper body & sleep like a baby the entire flight to Chicago where I always caught my connecting flight to OH. Since moving back to OH just a couple years before these accidents happened I have panic issues about flying. As of currently, I'm not sure I could even get on a plane without some serious sedatives. I hate feeling that I feel this way now because I dread long drives & get zero sleep even as a passenger because I want to stay awake & make sure whoever driving stays awake/alert but I still have panic over other drivers on the road so once again preferring to travel at night when there isn't as much traffic. I shouldn't even be watching videos like this, it definitely doesn't help my anxiety. But, I too enjoy the informational aspect involved., airplanes & flying always facinated me until it didn't. 😢😮😒
@@jro9365 Yeah. if you drive then as long as you drive defensively and at reasonable hours of the day then your odds of death are extremely extremely low. Better yet if you stay off of the highway except for necessary travel. On planes though, the most you can really do is pray
@@eshical4189 Agreed 👍
@@jro9365 I could understand that if you yourself had the worst experiences, from flying, but cars, sure!
I highly recommend marijuana gummies, my friend. They are excellent for managing anxiety. Stay safe and well. 💜
It’s crazy to think that this could have continued in crazy succession if the cause was not discovered. Special thanks to the NTSB for their dedication and service.
Goddamn heroes.
Remember that when politicians want to cut funding
I imagine if Bishops plane would have went down in the same manner that 3rd incident would have grounded the 737 fleet. By this time even with a few years gap a pattern emerged.
Yeah maybe get on an Airbus if you see the pattern
It happened again on Northwest Flight 85, a B747. Luckily they were able to land safely.
3rd pilots a hero. Rip unfortunate souls of flights one and two.
Pilots are amazing individuals. The man with the military experience suggested to test with cold to hot. That man saved the day. Thank God for smart people 🙏
@@michaelesgro9506 What??????????
No aviation experience and you yelled what?
@@reneeanderson9756 It should be pretty obvious to anyone with a cursory scientific background (which I possess well beyond and at a graduate degree level..that is to say, while I am not an aviator I am well versed in scientific methodology and carefully controlled testing) or even basic common sense that one must endeavor to conduct failure tests in environments similar to those in which the failed component was exposed, simulate those conditions in as close a way as possible. Apparently, it took several years for this to occur to someone and that is definitely weird. What is so hard to understand there...or are you just in an obtuse kind of mood? LOL.
EDIT: Oh, also "yelling at the screen" is kind of a figure of speech, not always meant to be taken literally...in my experience anyway. It is almost sounding like you live in a very different cultural or intellectual milieu if you will forgive that speculation.
@@michaelesgro9506 They were also assuming that they would see evidence of scratches after removing the valve but the two were not mutually exclusive...
@@chantalhill9268 Good point.
Just like doctors, they are.
Thank you NTSB for all you do to keep us safe!
Absolutely true
I'm so impressed with their competence and dogged determination.
Two of my co workers were on that flight. They had a choice to continue on to Colorado Springs from Stapleton. Thankfully they got off in Denver. Two nice guys.
Lucky
R.I.P. Anita Lucero, one of the flight attendants on this flight. A beautiful young lady who loved to fly.
R.I.P to *everyone* on this flight.
RIP TO ALL U FAKE EMP
@@LifeOfAnEmpath What a dumb comment. Absolute clown.
Genuinely one of the dumbest UA-cam comments I've ever seen.
@@Harvey-Adelson Wendi the Narcissist. Interesting.
I was 11 years old when this happened and when I had ever seen a plane accident in my life on the news. I was so shocked and horrified by how fast it happened and how everyone lost their lives and I could never think that the rest of my life it would have effected me so badly that I still in my 40s have never been able to get on a plane. My little heart broke that day for all who lost their lives and loved ones. This was so heartbreaking and tragic. Rip all. 😢
I remember a plane crash on the news when I was a kid. I'm terrified to fly due to this. Just recently went on a trip that required four different plane connections. Not my first time, either. However, I was terrified the entire flight(s).
No need to worry
Plane crashes are rare only chances of crashing by a average skilled pilot is only 0.03% chance and by a skilled driver of a car that can crash is 10.34% chance that you will die
Let’s work through that together… I have issues to
@@kaminisinha i agree but when it does happen , most times it’s catastrophic and so many people die at once
Let's not forget the trauma that these investigators see every time they go into a crash site. Things that you couldn't "unsee" if you lived to be a thousand years old. It has to take its toll.
PTSD - it can happen to investigators and any profession aiding in recovery missions from disasters with massive human cost, not just the people who sometimes survive these things and unfortunately, it's incurable.
It's called having distance. Something 8/10 viewers here don't have.
I knew Patricia, the FO of UAL585, we both flew out of Tamiami Airport in earlier times. RIP Patricia.
@@armmkm rip b!+©# 😂😂
@@CosmicCanvas666 what's your mental problem?
@@armmkm I’m sorry for your loss. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I am a retired 737 Captain for a major airline. I knew Captain Bishop. If it wasn’t for him, the NTSB would have never been able to figure out the cause of those accidents. His account of what happened helped.
34:28 "June 9, 1996 the finally get the break they've been looking for." Eastwind Flight 517 (B737-200) to Richmond, VA has rudder failure twice, pilot Capt Brian Bishop recovers the aircraft and lands safely. This incident triggered more research into the rudder hardover and reversal. 46:37 "In the 737 fleet, pilots are now trained on how to react to both rudder hardover's and reversal's." R.I.P. to UA585 and US472 Crew and Passengers.
I wish there was more information about the servo that reversed. How did that happen?
Sleeping or air conditions may be dangerous .for flight in this serial good act real act.
In 1962 when I was 10 I was on a Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to Nuremberg.
The stewardesses had just given everyone on the plane their choice of tomato juice, orange juice or apple juice including the pilots.
They also drank some.
5 minutes later the plane was hit by clear air turbulence which was not well known or understood in those days.
Everyone on the plane was throwing up as the plane dropped 7,000 feet uncontrollably in about 5 seconds.
Even the pilots were sick.
People were screaming and everyone including me thought we were going to die.
The pilots recovered and we landed without further incident.
But it gave me a lifetime fear of flying and of ever flying with Lufthansa ever again.
Try Quantas. They've never had a crash.
@@abacab87 not true.
@@georgesenda1952 How utterly terrifying.
@@abacab87 Qantas has no u in its spelling.
Lufthansa has always been very reliable.
Knowing that planes have all those touchy little parts doesn't exactly put my mind at ease!! 😳😲😱
Agreed. 6 million parts in a DC 10. Yikes.
Congratulations on solving these airplane accidents. We need more people like all of you.
May everyone who perished rest in peace.
ITS A WHOLE LOTTA TURBULENCE
Thank you NTSB for not giving up. Your desire and dedication to solve this problem likely will save many lives!
In 1991, I was a passenger on a flight into Colorado Springs and experienced the worst turbulence of any flight I had ever been on. I pledged never to fly in there again.
I'm 32 it's 32 years ago today
Heh, as someone who used to live in the area... yeah... the wind is no joke around there.
My heart goes out to the passengers and pilots you hear the pilots terrified scream so heart breaking
yes, passengers including the pets on the flight too. poor babies.
Flying is a miracle anyways, but how they figure out crashes is another miracle.
Miracle?
Miracle. Yes, miracle.
Not a miracle at all.. it's science, following the trail of evidence.. it's when money and fault come into play when some people refuse to accept responsibility for their hand in the accidents..
Nah.
This is exactly how I feel about this
I think these were tragic accidents and couldnt be predicted. The pilots did their very best and i feel for all those that perished.
??? No crash can be predicted.
It's terrifying how in just 10 seconds, the plane spiraled out of control so close to the ground! Who would have thought a tiny fault in the rudder control valve could lead to such a massive tragedy!
This is the scariest stretch of flying in crosswinds, I have ever experienced. I have flown that several times and was nervous, every time.
It turned out it wasn't the crosswind or turbulence that caused the accident. It was an inherent flaw in the rudder control unit in the Boeing 737. So many 737 variants have taken lives due to the fault of seemingly minor electronic or mechanical faults I have absolutely no trust or faith in Boeing. I'll fly with the carriers that use Airbus jets, even if it costs more, as I'd rather make it to my destination without the risk of violent death due to cost cutting in production or maintenance.
If it's Boeing, I ain't going.
My first flight was Lax to Denver. Dropped out of the sky for a second. Everyone went Wooooo. I've never had turbulence like I've had to Denver.
Bravo captain for your skills and your 1st officer. God bless you all. 🙏
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Yea I confused by that message prior to yours as well
I don't know if you finished the entire scenario, but everybody DIed!...spoiler alert, all 20 died immediately.
People ask, “Art you afraid to fly?” To which I respond, “No. I’m afraid of crashing.”
You tripping fam.. lmao
My Dad flew commercil for 35 years after leaving the Army. Not once did he have a serious incident. He flew from N America to S America. I went with him one time on a 7 day trip, and landed in every Central American Airport. Some of the Airports were pretty scary tucked in between two mountains. I never had an uncomfortable moment during my 7 days.
Actually you are safer in an Airplane vs. driving our highways.
I am afraid of both. However I am not as afraid if I fly alone rather that with a friend or family member. If I am alone I feel like I am not responsible for saving someone I know and love. Guess that leaves me free to die in peace. Lol
Same thats how I get
@@LiPo5000 except no where to pull over when things go wrong. Some pilots are so blessed. Some didn't get to do over. Your dear father was blessed
There is plenty of craziness going on in the world nowadays but when it comes to flying in aircraft everywhere in the world people take extreme care to make sure there are no plane crashes. Thanks to professionals like those at the NTSB who find issues sometimes before or sometimes after an incident and make sure they never happen again.
Hmmm. They only care about airliners, they rarely give probable cause to GA aircraft bc they dont care.
......and not lowering the requirements to be a pilot, in pursuit of " diversity"
.....or NTSB investigator either
@@notthatkindofdino pssft that's an easy answer. When you choose equity over equality. The quality of outcomes goes down with equity. But with equality of opportunity, and not equality of outcomes. That is a desirable outcome. Equality of opportunity gives everyone a chance to prove their intelligence and skill. Only those who meet those requirements win and not based on race religion sex or creed. Equity or things like affirmative action only put people in positions because of their race religion sex or creed and not achievements. That's a very dangerous road we are going down in the western civilization. Something we need to get rid of asap.
@@nickreed3031You’ve hit the nail on the head. Equity (a.k.a. “equality of outcome”) needs to die, and soon. Luckily, the SCOTUS has already helped out by killing AA in college admissions, but much more still needs to be done.
Despite the tragedy, I really appreciate investigations, accident reports, and shows like this. I watch them a lot. Being in the industry myself, they are vital for learning, since we will never see every situation ourselves. I always hope, if some emergency were to happen, I would have learned something through studying stuff like this that will save myself and others.
Bravo to the crew for keeping it together enough to avoid hitting things on the ground, despite knowing they weren't going to make it.
Also, I hate to be that guy but.....Nautical miles for distance. Nautical miles per hour for speed. Feet for altitude, etc. These are the ICAO standards for aviation. When trying to listen and learn from these stories, it is incredibly disorienting to have the wrong units used and having to estimate conversions in real time instead of following the story.
Edit: This is not an American imperial vs metric thing. The vast majority of nations in the world use these units. Only a handful of former soviet states use meters for attitude, as far as I am aware. If you are using metric because the world uses it, that is actually not true in aviation.
The series is Canadian in origin, and is meant for a layman audience. Canada uses metric, and thus the narrator is describing things in terms most of the viewing audience is more likely to easily understand. It's not a series meant to be used as a teaching tool for people in the aviation industry, any more than Rescue 911 was meant to be a tool for instructing paramedics, and thus has the narrator transpose the speeds, distances, and altitudes into terms a layman audience is familiar with, while typically having the re-enactors use the actual terminology, often repeating what was recorded via CVR.
Basically, what I'm say is, this isn't a show meant for what you seem to want it to be. It's a show for a casual viewing audience, not some kind of educational tool for pilots, and the language choices are made as such.
What a complex system and to be respected, deep respect given to all who work on these systems.
Finding metal shavings in the oil doesn't sound like something you'd just "dismiss." That metal has to be coming from somewhere inside the component. So that means that somewhere inside this valve the metal is being ground up.
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Hydraulic fluids only slow down the grinding process,it doesn’t stop it. Your car oil is full of metal shavings too. That’s why you should get your oil tested once a year. You can find out how badly worn internal components are before the engine just quits. Those valves have filters to keep the shavings out of critical components. That’s w there weren’t any abrasion marks on the sliders
@@krakoosh1 this guy gets it
The source of the metal fragments would be where the fluid pressure is created, in the pump. And filters do eliminate the fragments before they get to the valve.
@@krakoosh1 Some cars include a magnet at the bottom of the oil pan to catch floating metals. Doesn't help with the aluminum though.
You gotta admit with how easy things go wrong on flights from weird problems that more plains don't crash it really says alot about the pilots investigators and air craft designers
planes 🙂
I agree.......
..NEVER stood a chance. NO aircraft EVER designed or built could have pulled out of this FREAK phenomenon. Can’t believe I’ve never SEEN OR HEARD about this particular flight..
You got two wings for a reason. Its all about redundant design.
@@Carter-dv4hz Actually... There are two wings because the plane can't fly without them both due to its design. Has nothing to do with redundancy. I can appreciate the comment though. Sounds good. Give me two engines any day of the week. :)
I guess this is my life now. Just gonna sit here and watch these same eight or nine episodes over and over and over until I die.
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New! 30 years old in a "New" wrapper.
😃. Me too
Some people say the funniest things, Elizabeth ! 😄
No kidding. These channels just keep uploading the same episodes over and over!
I remember the 585 crash as I was living in Colorado Springs close to the airport. Then a few years later I was on a mission's trip to Mexico and happened to talk to one of the NTSB investigators on this trip about the crash of 585. He explained how the hydraulics to the flight controls responded exactly opposite to what the pilots expected when they tried to correct the sudden loss of control stating there was a flaw in the manufacturing of a part that led to the crashes. Seeing this brought back the memories of that chance encounter. Interesting job he had.
45 MINUTES CAR RIDE TO DIE LIKE THIS FOR SUCH A SHORT TRIP IS INSANE..
That crash happened 33 years ago. Driving I-25 from Denver to Colorado Springs gets people killed regularly.
QUOTE 6:05 "NTSB investigators examine over 2000 accidents a year." That's a lot more than I would have thought! We don't see much of it in the news. 2000 Wow!
Majority of those are emergency landings.
The majority of those are general aviation incidents, which, even if fatal, don't get covered outside the local news.
Many are not fatal...
Thank God for the third pilots for being strong and staying focused to witness the cause of his plain to react to the landing. He saved his passenger and his crew. Thank you to the man and women who did their long investigation.
Special thanks to the NTSB for their dedication and service.
Most people do not think of the end to end complexity of air travel. Imagine the technology and skilled people it takes to perform many thousands of flights daily all over the world.
I somehow was hoping for a different outcome like they fell from the sky but gained back control. RIP to all those people.
I flew from Denver to the springs and that flight is rough. Your flying low and the turbulence is crazy rough. I heard the engines Rev a few times to try to stay up. My grandmother lived 4 mins from the airport and she heard the slam. Felt like a earthquake.
What a waste to fly that, I'm suprised they even have a route. You can drive faster......than it takes to load, taxi, land and unload lol....
Was she the one in the video?
Denver is a tricky airport for pilots.
The terrain & weather there always seems pretty calm from the ground. But, a friend's son went to the Air Force Academy and says it's anything but once you get over 5000 feet
@Vincent M. naw, she's white. Good try though.
I had a similar situation happen when flying to Georgia while in the service. Our plane banked hard to the left to the point i thought we were going to role over. I remember everyone screening and the luggage falling out of the storage bins causing injuries to people on the plane. Some had significant cuts and bleeding that likely needed stitches. This was in 2001, I was lucky the pilots were trainer or i would not be here today.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, this recording was SUPER GREAT. The first TurboJet I ever flew on was a Frontier Airlines 737-100 from the early 70's. My Father worked for Frontier Airlines from the early 60's to 70's - such a Great Airline with the Turquoise Bow and the Gold Arrow. My Father said the 737 was the greatest passenger airliner ever, not 707, not 727, not 747. When we saw the reports of the many crashes of 737's we could not believe it. The PERFECT PLANE both in service and safety. Thank you for sharing. THANK YOU NTSB, 3rd Crew that survived and others that figured out what really happened. The 737 will still be the GREATEST / SAFEST Plane ever. Bobby Estey
This almost happened to me, thank god the pilot gained control. I was 16 years old on board with my mom and 8 teammates of mine and their parents. We hit bad turbulence most of flight, but as we were 30 minutes from landing, we ended up flipping side to side then UPSIDE down and we were all screaming and crying. Bag compartments flew open, it was HORRIBLE. We almost landed on a busy highway. But then the pilot was able to flip us back over and we safely landed but as we were landing, the pilot couldn’t get the plane to slow down and we kept bouncing almost out of control and collided with another plane. But then thankfully we came to the hardest stop I ever encountered out of of the plane flying I had done through my young years.
After that I never wanted to ride a plane again. One of the scariest moments of my life I’ll never forget.
Which flight was this?
BS, the plane did not flip upside down.
Bs bro that didn't happen stop lying for clout
I know we all gotta die and we don’t know when or how…but seeing myself falling to my death and can’t do nothing gotta be the most terrifying for me…I’ve never flown and I never will..
That's my mo I always say the same thing we all have to die but don't know when or how my biggest fear is water,n heights
Have you been in a car? More likely to die that way.
@@WhiteGuysMadder I never been n a car before
@@marvinheard5702 ballin
So you’re comfortable getting in cars but not a plane? Everyone acknowledges that when it goes bad it’s really bad. But logically speaking, if you’re way more likely to die in a car crash, then with your logic why not just avoid cars and roads while you’re at it?
The Colorado Springs crash seems to have some cause from a weather phenomenon- a microburst. The guy in the truck who experienced a sudden rush of wind and almost flipping his truck at the same time as the crash is not coincidental
That's what I was thinking, I thought they discovered the wind shear effect around that time as well so I thought it was both. They even have wind shear warnings that they put out now, I can't remember if is the same as a microburst or not, only that it can happen in good weather and while landings. But for all the arm chair quarterbacking that goes on in the comments, all I can say is that they did suspect the rudder control from the first one but all of the tests were good. Luckily the military pilot or mechanic that someone spoke to had the answer on just how to test for the problem. It's easy to sit back and say "I knew it, don't know why they didn't do real life condition testing", with all of the tests they did on both crashed planes they tested the heck out them and sometimes you don't know to do something a different way until you do and then you get that "eureka" moment. I applaud every one of those investigators for never letting go of the first crash, and their determination to find the cause.
I experienced a microburst in COS. Pleasant day with a slight breeze, then suddenly the trees were bending over and what had to be a 70-80 mph gust of warm air was coming DOWN on me. No warning and over within a few seconds. Other trees in the area were moving more than they had been, but not like that burst. It's like it came straight down and dissipated across the ground in all directions. One of the most unusual experiences I've ever had. I imagine primitive people would associate the phenomenon with spirits or gods.
In the Colorado Springs crash, it hit so hard they could only identify people by their fingerprint fragments.
Wow. That's horrible.
Faces Of Death.
Shear and compression stress are enormous!
Not sure about that,
How would they identify people by their fingerprints? It’s not like the people had their prints in some databases (unless they’d been arrested)
@@205ken4 By matching the print with another from their living space. They had a flight manifest identifying every passnger. It would have been a tedious procedure....but certainly possible.
Any airplane experts out there? Why did the problem suddenly show up in 1991? Since the first 737 went into service in February 1968. 23 years no problems, then 3 problems in 5 years? Using different mechanisms or parts? Different flying techniques? What?
There has only been two air disasters in the continental US since 11/2001. One in Kentucky and one in Buffalo (hope I remembered that correctly). When I was a kid there was at least one major incident every year. Now, they are rare, if at all. It attests to the amazing skill of investigators that identify problems, with subsequent implementation of new procedures, and aircraft modification. Considering the amount of flights over the continental US daily, its an amazing accomplishment that accidents here no longer occur.
The last one that occurred you have emergency exits opening up at 30,000 feet. Some guy was trying to pull lifgow, where someone takes out a window with a fire extinguisher. Pilots have to deal with all sorts of things. If they peak their head out of the cockpit to see what is happening, often times the seatbelt sign is on and passengers are standing up. People are walking around. Lighting up a cigarette. There isn’t any toilet paper in the john. The flight attendant is constantly going back and forth into the cockpit to tell the pilot to turn the air up in seat 25 B, turn the air down, up, down. Meanwhile the pilot is praying that when he comes through the clouds there is a runway and not a row of houses.
@@Davidchildress-somekoind Is it disaster?
I'm waiting for a bad one soon. Emergency exit doors flying off, holes in the roof, almost crashing into the ocean...
It always amazes me what these investigators are able to ascertain from the pieces of wreckage. I find it difficult to comprehend how they determine that something was broken before it crashes into the ground, rather than the crash itself was the cause of the destruction. Example, in this video they talk about finding dirt on the inner part of the jet, confirming that the engines were working at the time of the crash. But how do they know that it wasn't the jet crashing into the ground at 450 kilometers per hour, that got dirt in there?
I wondered the same thing until I watched alot of these Mayday episodes. Years of experience and blast patterns are probable the answer, just like you can the difference between a metal fatigue break and metal breaking from a blunt force.
Take some courses in engineering
And of course there are different types of ‘dirt.’ The local dirt there in Colorado Springs is probably of a different type. On the forensic crimes shows they go into a lot of detail about how they are able to determine things with lab testing, mass spectrometers etc.
If the engine parts are NOT moving the dirt adheres in a different pattern than if they are moving. For example a propeller would have frayed tips if it was rotating when it hit the ground but, it would just be bent if it wasn't rotating.
You've answered your own question..........
When they showed the areal shot of the crash, it totally looks like the outline of the plane. I can see every detail of the shape of the plane. What a terrible tragedy.😢
The reenactments here are so scary, they'll make you afraid of flying even if you weren't afraid before.
3:50 I can't imagine the absolute terror they must have felt. There is no way a human being could remain calm and focused while going through that. I'm not sure what caused this accident because I'm only at the beginning of the episode. But it's very sad and whether it was human error or mechanical failure. I hope they rest in peace. As great as this world may seem to us from time to time. It's a very dark and complicated place, so I refuse to believe they aren't in a better place now.
I flew to Colorado twice about 19 years ago and it is definitely the most scariest landing because of the high winds...I really thought we were going down
I find flying into Denver terrifying. Those wind currents, coming off the Rockies, feel as though you're definitely going to go down.
@@joysgirl The problem with the DEN - COS route is you never get high enough to get above the weather. I've flown that route dozens of times and a handful of them were extremely turbulent the entire 17 minute flight. By far it's the most unnerving route I've ever been on. I prefer flying out of DEN because once you take off, the plane gets above the "ground" winds pretty quickly and when you are landing, they can come down through them pretty fast too. I've definitely had some turbulence at DEN, but nothing like that DEN-COS leg.
@@BrueHops makes sense. I just remember the bottom falling out several times and everyone going dead silent. Unnerving, to say the least.
Gotta drive out there partner
it's so scary how random and possible a disaster of any kind can occur
It's hard to imagine being in the NTSB and having to fly into an airport where a plane had been blown out of the sky by wind.
No it’s not. And none of these planes were blown out of the sky by wind
@@krakoosh1 They didn't know that yet. Right?
@@C.Church investigators know that planes are equipped with doplar radar to spot storms with wind shear. They know wind shear can happen at any airport. And it’s a temporary situation.
@@krakoosh1 True.
Only wind didn't cause the crash. The rudder actuator froze and locked the rudder
This was a huge and sad story here in the Denver metro. Hard lessons learned but flying is safer than ever.
I couldn’t imagine my last words as I’m about to crash to the ground “Dear God” those pilots knew it was over
I was 30 and living and working in the Springs when this happened, horrifying. I had to fly to phx the next week and was terrified. The flight from Denver to the Springs and vice versa was always turbulence ridden, so my most flights I was on there were never fun. It took me years to get over that story and the fear I felt the next week. RIP everyone on the flight. On one flight from Den to The springs we dropped 4000 ft due to wind and turbulence according to the pilot, everyone was scared spitless when that happened.
It's interesting that the investigators figured out that the valve in the PCU could reverse its action as well as jam. The video doesn't say that they figured out specifically what was wrong or mis-designed in the original valve. Just that they redesigned it and replaced every one. A buried flaw such as this can be the worst kind of problem. They had a similar buried problem with fuel filters on the 777. I believe this was resolved without loss of life but not without great expense in money and time.
My coworker was on that flight. Eerily, his USAFA class number was 585, same as the flight number.
That's horrible.
@@trawlins396 22:38
@@karinjones4380 what?
Numbers play a role in many things in our life. So not surprising
Whenever I board an airplane, I say to God, I'm in your hands now. Whenever we safely land, I thank God and the pilots.
Yes. The only way to fly
It’s the N t s b that amazes me their persistence to figure out the horrific problem that lead to loss of souls onboard and to stay with figuring out the problem , where on the plane IS the problem is the most amazing thing to me , they are persistent , I commend them.
You're much more likely to die driving down to the corner gas station to stock up on munchies.
I have learned one valuable lesson in watching these videos ...never fly
It is harder to fly than back in the 60s and 70s. You were treated like a VIP back then.
Funny comment. 😂😂
What an absolute horrific way to die. Upside down and watching the ground come at you. I’m afraid of flying so this is the realistic NON-RARE occurrence that my brain assumes is more than probable.
I love flying
I worked on the 737 fleet removing and installing rudder actuators,after the AD note on the 737 fleet was issued.
It’s sad that these things happen, but thankfully we found the issue and it won’t ever happen again.
Never say Never. Forever is a very long time.
What would the remediation have been before they fixed it had the pilots known? Opposite rudder pedal?
@@roberthershberger8423
They trained the pilots to fly with a full rudder deflection.
Just something to think of when it comes to this. The 737 had been active for years and was one of the most popular planes at the time all around the world. Countless flights daily for decades... and 3 planes had this failure. It was a needle in a haystack at best. My grandfather was a USAir pilot and I remember the conversation he had had with my grandmother when this finally came out. He was furious but also relieved. Up to that point there was still talk of the USAir flight being pilot error.
U.s. aircraft crashed more than enough
@@thetruthhasconsequences58As have other nations air craft? USAir was a commercial airline. Specifically you'd know it as the airline Sully landed the airbus on Hudson with. My grandfather actually was a captain when Sully was a first officer and was though the roof when that bit hit the news. Lots shouting "that's right you fly the plane" just with a ton of cussing mixed in, lol.
My heart breaks for those on that flight and their families.. My first plane ride was to Colorado Springs. Talk about an adventure. On the same trip I also flew in and out on a small airplane. Fortunately I did continue to fly. Whenever I go to Colorado I fly into Denver and drive to the Springs or other locals.
Did you get Sick?
@David Davis No I did not get sick. I was in my early 20's back then. If I tried it again today, I probably would get sick, and I would be sure I did not have any alcohol if I did it now
Wind sheer is common in Colorado. I experienced it when our plane landed in Denver. The plane was rocking and swinging by the wind. But the pilot must have fought hard to control the plane. We landed safely. To this day, every time I fly. I avoided a layover in Denver Airport.
The way US media presented after 737-max's crash, I was thinking before the max's crash, 737's had a clean history. But now I can say, 737's are extraordinally safe aircrafts with extraordinary crash capabilities.
Exactly. So many in the US federal government are quick to get defensive to the reputation of Boeing but the data of flights lost or nearly lost due to their QC and cost cutting completely contradicts that narrative. Far too many officials are compromised by bias towards Boeing probably because they get all kinds of cozy deals from them to maintain their dominance of the US airline industry. I'll take Airbus, thank you very much.
Having lived in The Springs for almost 2 decades, I was shocked to learn a jet like this had crashed near the city. However, crashes of small private planes were very common. This area can see the worst weather... from sustained hurricane force winds, wild fires, violent thunderstorms, damaging hail, and heavy snow. I have literally seen clear blue skies in the front yard and falling snow in the backyard. Until the true cause of the crash was uncovered, I think anyone who knows the wild weather here would have assumed it was meteorological.
Wow. Thank God they figured that out. I still don't think I would be as comfortable on a 737 as I would hope to be.
Investigator: "We now have a safer 737 fleet".
Boeing: "Hold my beer".
Yes what Boeing did last few years was unbelievable 😳
So devastating. God bless them all.
God blessed them already, what else do you want?
Could god have intervened and helped them?
Bless them?
These people died a horrible violent death.
Families shattered.
Children lost parents..
You shittin' us with that BS?
If there is a sky daddy, he damn sure didn't bless any of those folks.
I lost two acquaintances on 427...I traveled 100 days a year at that time and was terrified to be on a 737!
Now that the 737 has MCASS, not sure I want to fly again!!!
The only time I thought I was gonna die was coming into Colorado Springs.. the pilot made an emergency pull up from landing. We circled around and eventually landed safely.
A go-around is usually fairly routine, although they don’t happen often. In a lifetime of occasional flying, I think I have experienced only two.
It always takes those “sacrifice planes” to then make the rest of them safer. Again, human error. It is a living miracle how any plane in the world can land safely without any of the zillion parts going wrong. All those pieces of the puzzle have to work accordingly or it’s a crash. It’s mind boggling. Scary too. “Have a nice flight”.
Well, it took ten years to figure out the problem and it took away many lives to change the issue.
I can’t imagine what went through the pilots’ minds. I’m sure they did all they could, but likely knew they were doomed, having this incident happen so close to the ground. 😢
I’ve experienced large down burst from thunderstorms collapsing in tornado alley. They are freak, sudden, and can do a lot of damage in seconds if it happens in the wrong place at the wrong time. Crazy how the valve showed no initial failure. I feel for the crash site investigators too, traumatic stuff they look through.
Just really sad. My first cousin David died in a plain flying in Alaska. Wings froze up.
I will never ever ever get on a plane! These investigators are absolutely incredible! God bless you all! 🙏 THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO!
Do you drive a car? Because you far more likely to die in a car crash than on an aircraft. This is according to statistics.
@@tamevauch5948 You know how they say " Well when it's your time to go - it's your time to go ..." My answer to that has always been -
" Well... When it's the Pilots time to go , I don't want to be with him "......!
When the plane first lurches...i'm getting concerned. And when the plane violently goes completely sideways...i'm thinking we might not make it. But when i hear the female copilot scream but its drowned out by the male pilot's EVEN LOUDER scream...i'm just gonna bend over and kiss my ass goodbye.
May All the lives Lost RIP ♥️🙏
I've flown on 737's dozens of times in the 90's. Great video.
So sad. God bless all of you and your family members.
I am absolutely terrified of flying! I have had to fly a few times, but I shook almost the whole trip! I was in severe turbulence going from Kansas City to my hometown of Indianapolis, Indiana….the plane became so quiet all you could hear was people crying. When we safely landed the pilot said he wasn’t going to tell us, but changed his mind…we had just flown through a confirmed tornado. I never wanted to fly again! I have said the only pilot I would feel safe with is Captain Sully from the Hudson River landing! He was the best!
BS.
Ever seen the the pilot that land in giml with no engine I take it.
Flying is still safe
@@jpj65 no way
These kinds of videos cured my fear of flying. Crazy but true
props to the camera man for recording this tragedy
It’s a recreation you bozo
@@mikeockslong4795get the joke
2000 accidents a year? Even if that number is for the whole world, it seems awfully high.
From what I remember, this story oversimplifies what happened. There was indeed violent crosswinds. In COS, it was the rotor wind. In the USAir case, it was the wake turbulence. The Eastwind flight hit some anomalous wind as well, but not as bad as the UA flight.
It was the violent wind that made the pilots give full rudder which made the servo reverse.
The planes were all flying straight and normal. The pilots would have no reason to give full rudder otherwise.
I knew Patty. And you are correct that initially the cause was thought to be rotor winds/wind shear. However, rudder reversal proved to be the case. Extreme winds do not cause rudder reversal. I flew the B-737-200. I taught Type ratings in it too. Today, I have four Type ratings: A-320, B-737, DC-9, F-27.
I have been with my present airline for over 25 years and have logged 25,700 hours.
Patty was a friend of mine from Tamiami Airport in Miami.
RIP Patty!
I see why people initially thought that because that happened in the first two cases, but in the third case on Eastwinds 517 there was no violent wake or air turbulence and the loss of rudder control happened earlier in the approach process so they were able to recover. The terrifying truth of it was that in the right temperature conditions any regular rudder inputs could have malfunctioned the servo or reversed it. The pilots could simply be adjusting their course via rudder and it would happen. I will never fly in a Boeing 737 even after these upgrades, forget it.
@@DarkFilmDirector Interesting "Take" on this "Factually Driven" investigation.
Little did they know that Boeing already knew this flaw and desperately sought to hide it. 🙈
It amazes me how they can examine shattered pieces most of us could barely tell are off an airplane and be able to figure out what it is, where its from, and what it was doing at the moment of impact.
can they? or are they just acting like they can?