Yes indeed. When 3x eu-set level players fight mostly vs ppl at least double the gear, I take the title as best team as granted. If we were all endgame geared..pfft, how boring that would be. BTW Pandy: Didnt you have even a slightly better geared team with which you went nowhere at all despite OP classes throughout?
@@JoePWI if going nowhere is hovering around 2k score with a squad that has less gear than yours then idk, but i dont know why are asking about our team when you are the one constantly bragging and asking to be laughed at when you fail
@@pandyon8683 and those 2k scores were achieved in this current season with basically pure full NP squads? I dont think so. Also..better gears than yours? Wtf? Also, where do we fail? If we had equal gears to the ppl shown here and they would beat us, sure, I would accept that as a fail. Anything else is far from it.
@@pandyon8683 well to be fair, I dont really remember who else was in your squad but you alone outgear each one of us. No idea about the rest. Tho ruby and kita and me had significantly less gear quite a while ago so..
PS: I just realized I am retarded...forgot to reallocate my genie's vit. GG, every single fight basically 70 vit less which is just ._. I prolly could've done much more, welp. Thats on me!
Meh, only the onyxblade fights looked interesting everything felt eh either everything was under control or poof insta someone died at the start which is hard to come back from. At 4:30 that wasn’t gear considering the fact you’re depending on Halo far too much there. Unless 0 def there, or massive cc; halo isn’t hard to tank with expel. You need def gears if you’re ganna play atk shards toons in arena especially with the sins there. The majority of sins in there did not bother me except gene and kaishida and who could melt my old def gears like butter, even my new one I’m sure they could np. Also, while yes it is easy to 0 def + shatttering + halo, it can be stopped with practice if the targets just communicated who kita targets (Darcy saw it coming flawlessly after one time). In that situation you used massive shield energy and chi for virtually nothing. You probably should switch it up every couple fights in the future.
Compared to most people we have fought we would need any gear at all. We need to rely on Halo + 0 def vs those max endgame squads, especially with Clerics in it. With support...killing those while staying alive at the same time..so basically trading saves will always lead to us dying eventually if the clerics survives for too long. If we all had like gene squads gear, either of us could solo basically anything, def set or not. Purged target with my own 80% pdef debuff, especially AA and LA, would insta die from a single halo tick with that gear but alas, that's not the case yet. I am still rocking a half rb1 4x card A-set... so basically nothing at all. I still dislike those squads and people with multiple g17 procs, thats the most busted aspect of the game tbh and shouldnt be allowed at all. "K I got outplayed and now if they CC me I die BUT HERE COMES THIS WEAPON PROC and then THIS WEAPON PROC and then MY SAVES ARE BACK and then THIS WEAPON PROC." - So fcking retarded. If people cannot handle their saves they are supposed to die and not be basically immortal. Imagine the most tryhard build possible, max def gear, full vit Technician with 3xg17.5 def weapons and all procs in the world. 100% unkillable, even in a 1v3 vs Genes squad. Completely busted.
Joe PWI considering it’s 3 strong classes in arena you’re playing I think it’s fine especially since 0 def is there and gl kiting an ER, best bet walk/fly from veno and expel. Hell even Aimif survived 0 def pretty much a fluke though because you walked away from his untarget as halo didn’t get a chance to tick the 0 def. Multi g17 procs is mainly for mass pk survival, in 3v3 it’s just there and honestly the only way to have a chance vs a sin squad, although not much higher of a chance ofc so idm it. Even at np I’ll tell you from experience, without full rb1 np is eh ok at best. So even though you’re only 4 card set, full np no rb you will die at the same cycling rate, just a little more dd. Having 0 def is fine my only issue is relying on Halo too much just make you 1) Easy to predict, just always keep an expel and if he halos u probably have 0 def on u too. 2) It also gimps yourself if they ever nerf / weaken halo than you basically become like everyone else with moderate dd excluding sins ofc. Not saying it’s bad if they did that considering halo is far too powerful and everyone free to play w/e class they want without judgement but making a new toon these days is so painful.
Hi Joe, our country's server is planning for expansion and I have read that there will be twilight soul gear what's your thought on this? Is it achievable by farming or will it cost a lot of $ 😁 thanks!
The new twilight gear is not really achievable. You can farm it if you have good gear yes and I made alot of coins with it but for your own use, I do not recommend. Its too expensive.
Ya but people could just be more careful xD if we would fight equally geared people that would be legit unfair..but 99% of those squads dont need to use their immunes for anything but 0 def cause they literally have double our gear or more :(
This class rly needs 2 gears and 2 weapons for ofense and defense. Joe, dont u think the healing mechanics of clerics and mystics became obsolet? I think its to the point where this two classes only live for they buffs, ulti, sog, sleep and antgenie...After this, they can Just die and wont make a diference...
ya well it depends, if they are max gear they are really hard to deal with, especially when they are in a squad with equally geared people and you fight them with way lower gears. One Purify on a focused target basically means they live, same as a few heals. Support is very OP in Mass PvP and 3v3, especially if its max gear cler/myst healing max geared people...cause killing them will become near impossible xD
Why would they nerf it tho? Edgerunner only seems like I really strong class on the surface. Yes, I can block alot of stuff and my shield of Halo can deal alot of damage, however, if my teleport skill is in Cooldown..I am like a fish out of the water. Cant reach anything fast enough to make a move if people just walk away from me. If I have anything ready its really strong but if I dont..people can outplay this class by just walking away roflmao. Also, its gonna get buffed quite a bit in the 2nd next update and rightfully so. Edge only would be OP if you use it at as pure tank with a pure tank build, because you can chain so many immunes...basically unkillable. Offensive-wise this class is lackluster 50% of the time and I wouldnt say its OP because of that reason. Sins can basically be offensive 24/7 with virtually no downside of you bring decent defense gear in comparison. I do have an uptodate sin tho and I prolly will play it a little if we get equal gear 3v3..but same goes for any class, cause any class is fun in such situations like BoS as well.
Really cant wait for the nerf to redstone because honestly, kinda disgusting seeing a 3rd class that will 100% kill with it if redstone is throw midcast
Joe PWI or just get the gear since you can and just kill them that way. The part that baffles me is, 0 def is considered fair to pretty much all venos except kitashi and zeneki. Well they are the only ones I’ve spoken to so far who admit it its bullshit mechanics.
@@JoePWI I don't understand you.. the guy who says that are over geared says the man who has a few 9 toons +12 either with jades/diety +20 apt chart. this class just not to long rolle out and its already +12 with dieties so it doesn't seem you have no problem with coins in game.. why don't you make a so call over gear toon an show that you would never loose or you need to leave some room just in case you do loose to cast the blame on the over geared
@@HorizonMediaGaming he doesn't want to get the gear bro if he does he would have no more gear excuse to throw the blame on afterwards what cracks me up is this dude has a few r9 toons very well geared
@@yellowrunkz I will also be getting basic NP on the edge (no rbs, so basically a lazy mans 2/2/2 rb2) and thats gonna be it. Maybe I don't go further because its stupid expensive from this point on? Like 20k for a fcking weapon? Nope, never.
Ya but I somewhat like it. If they are too messed up to pay attention its basically their own fault. Like I said in another comment here..if those overgeared nubs use their genie/saves for anything other than 0 def vs us, its their own fault of dying tbh xD
@@RapidWarrieZ some certainly can, yes. I mean, my Halo still deals decent damage on purged AA/LA with my own 80% pdef debuff but its nothing that people would insta die from. However, Veno ulti + nove + Edged Blur + Halo surely can destroy multiple targets rather quickly but ofc thats a massive setup.
@@JoePWI when i said edged blur +sac slash, i didnt mean simulatenously. Just a sacslash alone or an edged blur can force genie / spark. You of all people know it's retarded to ignore a sacslash debuff. I mean, what would you laugh more at? someone who dies because they didnt use genie to remove their negative def levels for like 8+- seconds 'in case they get 0d' or someone who dies to 0d because they used genie to stop themself from dying to blur / sac slash / nova? Undoubtedly, your squad isn't near top geared, especially if you're comparing with the likes of genesesia / rb np toons. However, your class composition is incredibly strong to the point where it overcompensates the lack of gear in many instances. As long as you deal sufficient damage to enemies where they cannot blindly ignore you (e.g if you can hit a good 3-7k without having to full combo / debuff) I think 'gear gap' isn't a major factor unless it's multiple g17 defense procs which would, for obvious reasons, be a major factor. A poor example would be, a +12 deity sin (sin 1) vs a +12 devil stone sin (sin 2). Even if, let's say, sin 1 was using rb2 S cards (222) and sin 2 was NP rb1 set. Gear wise, the devil stone should win by a landslide without struggle because he outgears in every aspect - at least, that's what comes across when you keep bringing up gear gap. But you and I both know that is simply not the case. Especially if sin 1 is equally capable at dealing more than 50% of sin 2's max hp in a single hit. This can be applied to pretty much all classes. For example, my sin vs a serenity seeker (I just fought Kelehor a couple weeks back) he can tank me quite well and deal more than enough damage to tick my charm without having to debuff me with sac slash combo. Yes he has a disadvantage if we're to just compare gear for gear - even class for class. But if you look at the damage we deal and receive to each other, we are really not that far off, if anything his ability to survive is slightly above mine. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but unless your enemies have several defense procs (or 80def lvl wep) in play or isn't a team full of rb1/2 NPs that can quite literally tank you forever), you shouldn't really use the 'you outgear me' card. Nor should you say 'you outgear me and still lost cause you suck.' Especially... with a veno on your team.
Joe PWI paying attention? You can literally throw 0 def in between a 4-5 hit skill (sin) if you simply say it not even coordination req there, or 9 hit murderous indulgence. How is that not paying attention that’s just faulty mechanics and too cheap to use test servers like most MMOs.... In both scenarios you die before the buff even appears on the buff/debuff area. Gl seeing it coming since the animation happens after cast meaning no way to see it coming aside keep the veno perma targeted xD
16:38 cleric on drugs , love when i see there are more offensive clerics still left...
Ya but she usually completely ignores supporting her team at all and well, she has maximum possible gear and I mean Maximum xD that 76k surely hurt xD
@4:15 0 def combo fails you lose hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm THE BEST TEAM EVER LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
@16:18 :))))))))))))))))))
Yes indeed. When 3x eu-set level players fight mostly vs ppl at least double the gear, I take the title as best team as granted. If we were all endgame geared..pfft, how boring that would be.
BTW Pandy: Didnt you have even a slightly better geared team with which you went nowhere at all despite OP classes throughout?
@@JoePWI if going nowhere is hovering around 2k score with a squad that has less gear than yours then idk, but i dont know why are asking about our team when you are the one constantly bragging and asking to be laughed at when you fail
@@pandyon8683 and those 2k scores were achieved in this current season with basically pure full NP squads? I dont think so. Also..better gears than yours? Wtf?
Also, where do we fail? If we had equal gears to the ppl shown here and they would beat us, sure, I would accept that as a fail. Anything else is far from it.
@@JoePWI Yes you guys outgear us.
And yes it was this season.
@@pandyon8683 well to be fair, I dont really remember who else was in your squad but you alone outgear each one of us. No idea about the rest. Tho ruby and kita and me had significantly less gear quite a while ago so..
PS: I just realized I am retarded...forgot to reallocate my genie's vit. GG, every single fight basically 70 vit less which is just ._. I prolly could've done much more, welp. Thats on me!
Meh, only the onyxblade fights looked interesting everything felt eh either everything was under control or poof insta someone died at the start which is hard to come back from. At 4:30 that wasn’t gear considering the fact you’re depending on Halo far too much there. Unless 0 def there, or massive cc; halo isn’t hard to tank with expel.
You need def gears if you’re ganna play atk shards toons in arena especially with the sins there. The majority of sins in there did not bother me except gene and kaishida and who could melt my old def gears like butter, even my new one I’m sure they could np. Also, while yes it is easy to 0 def + shatttering + halo, it can be stopped with practice if the targets just communicated who kita targets (Darcy saw it coming flawlessly after one time). In that situation you used massive shield energy and chi for virtually nothing. You probably should switch it up every couple fights in the future.
Compared to most people we have fought we would need any gear at all. We need to rely on Halo + 0 def vs those max endgame squads, especially with Clerics in it. With support...killing those while staying alive at the same time..so basically trading saves will always lead to us dying eventually if the clerics survives for too long. If we all had like gene squads gear, either of us could solo basically anything, def set or not. Purged target with my own 80% pdef debuff, especially AA and LA, would insta die from a single halo tick with that gear but alas, that's not the case yet. I am still rocking a half rb1 4x card A-set... so basically nothing at all.
I still dislike those squads and people with multiple g17 procs, thats the most busted aspect of the game tbh and shouldnt be allowed at all. "K I got outplayed and now if they CC me I die BUT HERE COMES THIS WEAPON PROC and then THIS WEAPON PROC and then MY SAVES ARE BACK and then THIS WEAPON PROC." - So fcking retarded. If people cannot handle their saves they are supposed to die and not be basically immortal. Imagine the most tryhard build possible, max def gear, full vit Technician with 3xg17.5 def weapons and all procs in the world. 100% unkillable, even in a 1v3 vs Genes squad. Completely busted.
Joe PWI considering it’s 3 strong classes in arena you’re playing I think it’s fine especially since 0 def is there and gl kiting an ER, best bet walk/fly from veno and expel. Hell even Aimif survived 0 def pretty much a fluke though because you walked away from his untarget as halo didn’t get a chance to tick the 0 def.
Multi g17 procs is mainly for mass pk survival, in 3v3 it’s just there and honestly the only way to have a chance vs a sin squad, although not much higher of a chance ofc so idm it. Even at np I’ll tell you from experience, without full rb1 np is eh ok at best. So even though you’re only 4 card set, full np no rb you will die at the same cycling rate, just a little more dd.
Having 0 def is fine my only issue is relying on Halo too much just make you 1) Easy to predict, just always keep an expel and if he halos u probably have 0 def on u too.
2) It also gimps yourself if they ever nerf / weaken halo than you basically become like everyone else with moderate dd excluding sins ofc. Not saying it’s bad if they did that considering halo is far too powerful and everyone free to play w/e class they want without judgement but making a new toon these days is so painful.
Hi Joe, our country's server is planning for expansion and I have read that there will be twilight soul gear what's your thought on this? Is it achievable by farming or will it cost a lot of $ 😁 thanks!
The new twilight gear is not really achievable. You can farm it if you have good gear yes and I made alot of coins with it but for your own use, I do not recommend. Its too expensive.
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Only thing I see is reckting people with 0 def... 2v3 80% of the fights :/
Ya but people could just be more careful xD if we would fight equally geared people that would be legit unfair..but 99% of those squads dont need to use their immunes for anything but 0 def cause they literally have double our gear or more :(
new 0def skill is the new Meta in 3vs3 xD And Edgerunner still unbalanced i see some nerfs incomming^^
This class rly needs 2 gears and 2 weapons for ofense and defense. Joe, dont u think the healing mechanics of clerics and mystics became obsolet? I think its to the point where this two classes only live for they buffs, ulti, sog, sleep and antgenie...After this, they can Just die and wont make a diference...
ya well it depends, if they are max gear they are really hard to deal with, especially when they are in a squad with equally geared people and you fight them with way lower gears. One Purify on a focused target basically means they live, same as a few heals. Support is very OP in Mass PvP and 3v3, especially if its max gear cler/myst healing max geared people...cause killing them will become near impossible xD
Nice video..you made sure to remove the friend this this time around...Smart move
Oh, no, its never active in 3v3 since its a dif server alltogether :D
@@JoePWI ahh okay
when they nerf that class u will go back as a sin. just like u did on your db. enjoy it while it last.
Why would they nerf it tho? Edgerunner only seems like I really strong class on the surface. Yes, I can block alot of stuff and my shield of Halo can deal alot of damage, however, if my teleport skill is in Cooldown..I am like a fish out of the water. Cant reach anything fast enough to make a move if people just walk away from me. If I have anything ready its really strong but if I dont..people can outplay this class by just walking away roflmao. Also, its gonna get buffed quite a bit in the 2nd next update and rightfully so. Edge only would be OP if you use it at as pure tank with a pure tank build, because you can chain so many immunes...basically unkillable. Offensive-wise this class is lackluster 50% of the time and I wouldnt say its OP because of that reason. Sins can basically be offensive 24/7 with virtually no downside of you bring decent defense gear in comparison. I do have an uptodate sin tho and I prolly will play it a little if we get equal gear 3v3..but same goes for any class, cause any class is fun in such situations like BoS as well.
Really cant wait for the nerf to redstone because honestly, kinda disgusting seeing a 3rd class that will 100% kill with it if redstone is throw midcast
Which nerf tho? There won't be one for at least the next 2 major updates :( at least gives a chance to kill overgeared people xD
Joe PWI or just get the gear since you can and just kill them that way. The part that baffles me is, 0 def is considered fair to pretty much all venos except kitashi and zeneki. Well they are the only ones I’ve spoken to so far who admit it its bullshit mechanics.
@@JoePWI I don't understand you.. the guy who says that are over geared says the man who has a few 9 toons +12 either with jades/diety +20 apt chart. this class just not to long rolle out and its already +12 with dieties so it doesn't seem you have no problem with coins in game.. why don't you make a so call over gear toon an show that you would never loose or you need to leave some room just in case you do loose to cast the blame on the over geared
@@HorizonMediaGaming he doesn't want to get the gear bro if he does he would have no more gear excuse to throw the blame on afterwards what cracks me up is this dude has a few r9 toons very well geared
@@yellowrunkz I will also be getting basic NP on the edge (no rbs, so basically a lazy mans 2/2/2 rb2) and thats gonna be it. Maybe I don't go further because its stupid expensive from this point on? Like 20k for a fcking weapon? Nope, never.
Krissi became bad since she stopped to pvp :(
Well xDD I dont think she ever was good but always geared.
@@JoePWI you literally explained yourself with 1 sentence there. Gj
@@arschyugi5990 ya, just the other way around for me. I never was geared but I was always good :D
@@JoePWI No i meant is as i said it, you were always geared and never good
Lmfao 100k toon to get 1 shot by 1k toon zero def really fked the game xd
Ya but I somewhat like it. If they are too messed up to pay attention its basically their own fault. Like I said in another comment here..if those overgeared nubs use their genie/saves for anything other than 0 def vs us, its their own fault of dying tbh xD
@@JoePWI oh.. so it's good idea to ignore edged blur + sac slash too o.O... and halo?
@@RapidWarrieZ some certainly can, yes. I mean, my Halo still deals decent damage on purged AA/LA with my own 80% pdef debuff but its nothing that people would insta die from. However, Veno ulti + nove + Edged Blur + Halo surely can destroy multiple targets rather quickly but ofc thats a massive setup.
@@JoePWI when i said edged blur +sac slash, i didnt mean simulatenously. Just a sacslash alone or an edged blur can force genie / spark. You of all people know it's retarded to ignore a sacslash debuff. I mean, what would you laugh more at? someone who dies because they didnt use genie to remove their negative def levels for like 8+- seconds 'in case they get 0d' or someone who dies to 0d because they used genie to stop themself from dying to blur / sac slash / nova?
Undoubtedly, your squad isn't near top geared, especially if you're comparing with the likes of genesesia / rb np toons. However, your class composition is incredibly strong to the point where it overcompensates the lack of gear in many instances. As long as you deal sufficient damage to enemies where they cannot blindly ignore you (e.g if you can hit a good 3-7k without having to full combo / debuff) I think 'gear gap' isn't a major factor unless it's multiple g17 defense procs which would, for obvious reasons, be a major factor.
A poor example would be, a +12 deity sin (sin 1) vs a +12 devil stone sin (sin 2). Even if, let's say, sin 1 was using rb2 S cards (222) and sin 2 was NP rb1 set. Gear wise, the devil stone should win by a landslide without struggle because he outgears in every aspect - at least, that's what comes across when you keep bringing up gear gap. But you and I both know that is simply not the case. Especially if sin 1 is equally capable at dealing more than 50% of sin 2's max hp in a single hit. This can be applied to pretty much all classes. For example, my sin vs a serenity seeker (I just fought Kelehor a couple weeks back) he can tank me quite well and deal more than enough damage to tick my charm without having to debuff me with sac slash combo. Yes he has a disadvantage if we're to just compare gear for gear - even class for class. But if you look at the damage we deal and receive to each other, we are really not that far off, if anything his ability to survive is slightly above mine.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, but unless your enemies have several defense procs (or 80def lvl wep) in play or isn't a team full of rb1/2 NPs that can quite literally tank you forever), you shouldn't really use the 'you outgear me' card. Nor should you say 'you outgear me and still lost cause you suck.' Especially... with a veno on your team.
Joe PWI paying attention? You can literally throw 0 def in between a 4-5 hit skill (sin) if you simply say it not even coordination req there, or 9 hit murderous indulgence. How is that not paying attention that’s just faulty mechanics and too cheap to use test servers like most MMOs.... In both scenarios you die before the buff even appears on the buff/debuff area. Gl seeing it coming since the animation happens after cast meaning no way to see it coming aside keep the veno perma targeted xD