almost ten years later and these scenes still give me chills every time i watch them. todd and blair's relationship was such and abusive trainwreck but like one you could never look away from. there's so many little details of roger's performance here that i love, but my favorite is when blair says, "i don't know" and he has to stop himself from crying before he takes out the wedding photo. "you were stalking me?" "...yeah, i guess, a little bit" that's how you know it's really todd lol
RH makes this wacky scene seem more possible with his subtle expressiveness! Great drama. Love all of the reactions. Todd reuniting with Starr and Blair was especially awesome and that lovely kiss (They are a twisted, crazy couple but never can quit each other for good.).
Love how Starr physically recoils when TSJ/Frodd approaches her. She already knows. She knew immediately. A wonderful touch too when Jack looks at TSJ/Frodd and says, "dad?". And Starr looks at RH/Todd and says, "dad?". Powerful!
TheClassica87 I wish the little kid before the aged jack was there he resembled rh this jack couldn't act his way out of a paperbag. tsj always put his spin on scenes he hated bring with Blairs character so his acting went against the writing he wanted to be with evangeline then Flo
@@nataliestack9330 And, interestingly, RH put the opposite spin on scenes with Blair's character; indicating Todd's ongoing interest in her and love for her even when he was with Tea.
As an OLTL fan, I waited years for this showdown between RH and TSJ. I’m just so delighted this story happened before the show got pulled off the air. RH made it back just under the wire. My favorite part about these scenes here is that Starr and Blair know RH is Todd right from the beginning. They’re the only ones in the room who know without a doubt. They say it without saying it. Perfection.
I miss OLTL so much!! Yeah, Todd and Starr are on GH, but it isn't the same!! ABC made the stupidest mistake in network tv by cancelling OLTL!!! OLTL did better in ratings than GH!! I want my OLTL back!!!!
"You were stalking me?" "Yeah, maybe, a little bit". "I dare you to ever forget me. I dare you". "You hold onto this, ok? That's you and that's me. The man that made you so happy". Can you say cloud 9 for this T&Ber!?
This was so epic. I just realized starr said to todd what blair said to Todd when he first came back to town in 96 like blair did she said " are you real " also so happy the real todd came back. Roger always thought that tnb were endgame. Even when they put him with tea any scene with blair fans called it rebel acting. Roger would always convey a look or the way he talked to Blair that he still carried a torch for her. Trevor as todd did the opposite. He said in the press that tnb were boring that " blair would have sex with another guy, todd would go ballistic than they got back together. " he said it was wash rinse repeat. He would tank any scene with blair. Even if his lines were supposed to show he loved blair trevor would say things in a flippant matter. He also always pushed for any new leading lady with him in the todd role. He heavily championed todd & evangeline. Then todd & marty then todd & tea. So with roho back in the role his feelings for blair were clear. I remember their was speculation that trevor wanted the todd role to be his. So he saw tnb as Todd's endgame so he did not want that bc that bc it was reminders of RH. Same with treating Starr horribly. Esp when he wanted to kidnap hope when she was born & raise her with Marty which was crazy. The real todd manning never would have taken starrs baby causing her pain or having a romance with Marty. So with roho back it made sense of all victor Jr 's actions that made no sense. He never had the kind of bond with viki or Jessica that Roho's todd had with them. So I really enjoyed when Jessica told viki she always wondered why she did not have the same connection with the faux todd. Viki asked how she meant that & she said " remember when todd knew i had natalie prisoner when I was tess & allowed it bc victor jr. Was being blackmailed. It wasnt like todd not to go to you to get me help" when jesse & todd talked he said " Jessica I would have taken better care of you "
@Dark Demonik should make an effort to bring them back soaps aren't the same without them the oltl actors went to others like Young And The Restless General Hospital but it's not the same Todd and John McBain will always be OLTL they need a reunion and come back
@@conversationswithhollingsw4964 I was so happy that Roger Howarth came back to One Life to Live that I went out and bought a bottle of Champagne. I literally cried when One Life to Live went off the air. Roger Howarth is now on General Hospital but he's playing a different character.
That wasn't he case. OLTL was cancelled and they needed to begin to do the work of ending the show. They were all going to lose their jobs regardless. They were planning on moving other characters to GH and some to Prospect park, but after a year, neither of those options lasted.
He's really bad! It's horrible. Glad I wasn't watching during most of his run, but he was practically unwatchable. Too bad they didn't have a better actor in the role. I would have loved to see Roger play off of a good actor.
That character very rarely smiled. That fact just highlights how good Roger Howarth is. He conveyed so much through subtle facial expression, without ever using a smile to do so! Masterclass in acting
I don't care what anyone says. TSJ was a sucky Todd Manning. Even in this scene, he has no passion, no spark. He's just there, saying his lines like it's all "blah." Now, pulling a gun and acting crazy is classic Todd Manning! I'm so happy the show ended w/Roger coming back to stake claim on the role he made famous!!!
I totally agree there is only one Todd Manning and that's Roger Howarth. I NEVER liked TSJ version of Todd. It was hard to like him or to even sympathize with his version of Todd. I'm so glad that RH is back
I think TSJ's Todd was endlessly manipulative and gaslighting to the people around him. RH's Todd was more open, and artless, in trying to get what he wanted. TSJ's Todd would be fine with dragging everyone around him down into his pit, as long as he got what he wanted; RH's Todd had a conscience, even if it was addled some of the time (or much of the time). They were two flavors of selfishness, one more calculating and cold than the other.
I don't have any particular preference between them. But in these sets of scenes, Todd's return, TSJ does a great, great job of giving life to his version of Todd. There's one small moment after another where he tries to warp reality to his needs, and demands that everyone go along with him; and every rupture in that process wounds him, causing him to lash out. This story, RH's return, is largely *about* everyone coming to reckoning with TSJ's character, including himself. The story doesn't go deep enough, of course.
I hate the fact that they cancell soaps! And of course would I love for OLTL to come back, but an other part of me are so happy that GH are back on track and that's because of Ron Carlivati and Frank Valentini...what happens if OLTL comes back? They can't do two soaps at the same time...and I also LOVE Todd and Starr and McBain on GH they fit right in! Hm...I have to think about that one ;p
Anyone else think that if Steven Burton ever decides to come back GH we will have similar situation? I mean with Jillian Phelps gone Steve could decide to come back and since GH has former OLTL writers I think it's a very real possibility.
Fearless Chelly I was about to reply the same thing! That's actually what made me go back to rewatch this. Want it fresh in my mind to see if they reuse part of this story.
Fearless Chelly and Melissa Fielitz Sorry for the late reply but UA-cam alert system for comment is well you know trash. But yes it so freaking awesome. I honestly hope this is referenced preferably by Franco. Something along the lines of. Franco: Hey you know what is happening with Jason and Drew happened in a Pennsylvania. Liz: Really? Franco: Yeah Langville Landfill, something like that I don't know some of these towns have such weird names. Anyway it did happen. Well at least according to the internet. LIz: Franco come on. It sounds like some of that fake news to me.
Fantastic scenes! Great to see those three together again. What's up w/Trevor's Todd's smirk and nonchalantness during this episode? I don't know if it's TSJ's choices or the direction, but he is not acting like a man disturbed by his "old" face reappearing.
I feel history is going to repeat itself when Michael Muhney returns to Y&R! This happen on Days with John/Roman, it happening on OLTL with Todd/Victor, it's going to happen with Y&R with Adam/Gabriel
They were born with the same face but the Trevor St. John "Todd" was told the real Todd's life story while Roger Howarth's "Todd" was medicated. He ended up believing that he was Todd Manning. Their mother, Irene Manning, gave the fake Todd a different face so that Mitch Lawrence would believe the fake was his brother, Walker Lawrence.
+boilerboy, from what I know of the storyline, it was Victor's idea to get plastic surgery after he got beat up so badly (beyond recognition) by Mitch's thugs. He decided he needed to look like Flynn, Mitch's brother, to protect his family from Mitch and get revenge on Mitch.
What do you mean by the con man part? You mean you think the storyline should have had Victor as someone who intentionally stole Todd's life? I don't see that doing that would have made more sense, considering the extent to which Todd's life was stolen and that he was still alive instead of having been killed. Then again, I wasn't expecting a brain wash storyline back when Howarth left in 1998 and I thought about him returning someday by the writers calling the current Todd an imposter (who learned about Todd via what Todd told him).
In all the talk of who shot Victor, I think this scene is the most damning. Todd pulled a gun on him! Why hasn't anyone said anything about that in the 900 discussions since?
sk5835 You want to talk damning evidence If you compare the flashback of Todd shooting Victor to the original shooting scene, Todd’s hands are bigger (using the gun as a measuring device), much darker in color, and more masculine then the original shooters hands (you can see the thick hair below Todd’s knuckles but the original shooter’s hands have hair that is much to fine to be seen on camera indicating female). Everyone knows Todd can remove his hands and put on female hands. The original shooter shot Victor from the shadows by the stairs just OUTSIDE the living room, while Todd shot Victor in the middle of the brightly lit living room. Todd’s next magical power, he can be in two places at the same time. The phone recording Victor’s shooting (which was still recording after Victor was shot) was about 4 feet away from Todd in his flashback and yet it did not capture Todd yelling right after he shot Victor. Todd is so sinister his voice cannot be captured on recordings even when he is yelling 4 feet away. In Todd’s flashback, he threw the gun to the left of the house in those bushes, the gun was actually recovered in the bushes across from the house. Todd even used a magic gun that can move about 5 feet all by itself. Todd never remembered shooting Victor until 2 months after it happened and after Todd was a captive audience in jail with his mother known for brainwashing and did who knows what to Todd for 8 years. That is the perfect set up for a no doubts situation. The gun was only tested for Todd’s finger prints after Louie disappeared with it for 2 months claiming he escaped the Irene’s men. Because a homeless man escaping trained CIA men for 2 months is very probable, fingerprints cannot be planted on a gun in only 2 months, and it’s not suspicious at all that Louie only showed up with the gun when Todd was back in power. Even though OLTL (TV & Online) tried to push Todd as the shooter, I can’t imagine why some people found it a tough pill to swallow.
I think this was around the time that Ron Carlivati wrote for the show wasn't it? His writing was just a mess, I couldn't believe what I was watching. The time travel storyline, the 2 Gigi's, turning Marty Saybrook into a psycho murderer, and trying to explain the 2 Todd's fiasco. Hard to believe he's still writing for Soaps today, AND he win a Emmy for it?? Twilight Zone....
I think he checked out at this point... we knew OLTL was ending and he couldn't have been happy RH was resigned to reclaim the role of Todd... he should have taken the role of Victor Jr and run with it... TSJ was always too 'chilly' as Todd and was pretty abusive to his kids... RH's Todd had a quirky humor and could turn a phrase in a way that you knew he was damaged guy who just wanted to be loved. TSJ was is a good actor and would have made a good Victor Jr. Shame he didn't see the opportunity to run as Victor Jr. Locking horns with Todd until the OLTL finale on ABC.
These scenes were so epic I'm sad that the horrible acting of the kid playing jack was so horrible. They should have kept the boy who played Jack before he could act and was a little kid . Or couldnt oltl find a better actor for a legacy character like jack ? Plenty of talented kids I'm sure in nyc at theatre schools. How did they not fire this kid ? I also didnt get why jack was such a shit to todd he knew he was given away at birth ( who would tell him that ,??) But he didnt care when he thought victor was todd. I just thought he should have been left out and we just had the og manning's starr blair tea todd then of course victor jr and viki and Tina jack could have been in jail rather than this kid and todd could have reacted to his son being in jail. I'd rather that then that twit being jack. I love the way starr moved away from victor. He also tried to brain screw her placing a heavy load on starr saying it's her that s the reason everyone believed he was todd. Todd lifting the load off her shoulders by saying he lied to her . Also loved blair tearfully saying " I dont know I dont know. Brilliant reveal.
Honestly, watching clips from both actors, I've grown to appreciate Trevor St. John's part a little more... I especially liked him when he first came on back in '03 (partially due to Michael Malone being the headwriter again). But Howarth was the one who made Todd the household name that he became, albeit reluctantly. If it was any other actor, Todd would've simply stayed "Gang rapist/frat boy #1."
@@marcelparker6755 FYI: when TSJ first came on, he was playing Walker. Port Charles was cancelled and Michael Easton was offered the chance to play Todd on One Life. He declined so they created McBain and made Walker into Todd
almost ten years later and these scenes still give me chills every time i watch them. todd and blair's relationship was such and abusive trainwreck but like one you could never look away from. there's so many little details of roger's performance here that i love, but my favorite is when blair says, "i don't know" and he has to stop himself from crying before he takes out the wedding photo. "you were stalking me?" "...yeah, i guess, a little bit" that's how you know it's really todd lol
RH makes this wacky scene seem more possible with his subtle expressiveness! Great drama. Love all of the reactions. Todd reuniting with Starr and Blair was especially awesome and that lovely kiss (They are a twisted, crazy couple but never can quit each other for good.).
Love how Starr physically recoils when TSJ/Frodd approaches her. She already knows. She knew immediately. A wonderful touch too when Jack looks at TSJ/Frodd and says, "dad?". And Starr looks at RH/Todd and says, "dad?". Powerful!
TheClassica87 I wish the little kid before the aged jack was there he resembled rh this jack couldn't act his way out of a paperbag. tsj always put his spin on scenes he hated bring with Blairs character so his acting went against the writing he wanted to be with evangeline then Flo
@@nataliestack9330 And, interestingly, RH put the opposite spin on scenes with Blair's character; indicating Todd's ongoing interest in her and love for her even when he was with Tea.
As an OLTL fan, I waited years for this showdown between RH and TSJ. I’m just so delighted this story happened before the show got pulled off the air. RH made it back just under the wire. My favorite part about these scenes here is that Starr and Blair know RH is Todd right from the beginning. They’re the only ones in the room who know without a doubt. They say it without saying it. Perfection.
Bair did say she knew..at about @1 :56 she asksd the real Todd, "Where have you been?" If that isn't a dead giveaway, I don't know what is.
Blair knew he was Todd the minute he said “Yea I’m Real”. That’s what he said to her when he returned from Ireland.
Deep down Starr believed the old Todd was the real Todd because of all the history with her and Cole. Her real dad wouldn't act like Victor did.
I miss OLTL so much!! Yeah, Todd and Starr are on GH, but it isn't the same!! ABC made the stupidest mistake in network tv by cancelling OLTL!!! OLTL did better in ratings than GH!! I want my OLTL back!!!!
This continues to bring me to tears.............absolutely beautiful.
BRING BACK ONE LIFE TO LIVE EVEN A HALF HOUR SHOW WOULD SO SO BE POPULAR
I keep hope alive,that someone with a brain will realize we need an oltl redo!
Move on
"You were stalking me?"
"Yeah, maybe, a little bit".
"I dare you to ever forget me. I dare you".
"You hold onto this, ok? That's you and that's me. The man that made you so happy".
Can you say cloud 9 for this T&Ber!?
This was so epic. I just realized starr said to todd what blair said to Todd when he first came back to town in 96 like blair did she said " are you real " also so happy the real todd came back. Roger always thought that tnb were endgame. Even when they put him with tea any scene with blair fans called it rebel acting. Roger would always convey a look or the way he talked to Blair that he still carried a torch for her. Trevor as todd did the opposite. He said in the press that tnb were boring that " blair would have sex with another guy, todd would go ballistic than they got back together. " he said it was wash rinse repeat. He would tank any scene with blair. Even if his lines were supposed to show he loved blair trevor would say things in a flippant matter. He also always pushed for any new leading lady with him in the todd role. He heavily championed todd & evangeline. Then todd & marty then todd & tea. So with roho back in the role his feelings for blair were clear. I remember their was speculation that trevor wanted the todd role to be his. So he saw tnb as Todd's endgame so he did not want that bc that bc it was reminders of RH. Same with treating Starr horribly. Esp when he wanted to kidnap hope when she was born & raise her with Marty which was crazy. The real todd manning never would have taken starrs baby causing her pain or having a romance with Marty. So with roho back it made sense of all victor Jr 's actions that made no sense. He never had the kind of bond with viki or Jessica that Roho's todd had with them. So I really enjoyed when Jessica told viki she always wondered why she did not have the same connection with the faux todd. Viki asked how she meant that & she said " remember when todd knew i had natalie prisoner when I was tess & allowed it bc victor jr. Was being blackmailed. It wasnt like todd not to go to you to get me help" when jesse & todd talked he said " Jessica I would have taken better care of you "
I wish Roger kept the facial hair. That beard was...*chef's kiss*. Starr and Blair knew it was the real Todd.
Just Starr did.
@@b.c4309 Blair's initial reaction was "where have you been?" Then she became unsure later.
Yeah TSJ just kind of retreated as Todd... it was like he knew the Jig was up. RH is never that damn calm... Team Roger Howarth all day
OMG I love this scene....!! 'I dare you to ever forget me"...this is you and this is me..the man who made u so happy... love love love
Damn I MISS this show!!!!
Dang i miss amc and oltl so much i could cry. I hate the freaking chew.
@Dark Demonik should make an effort to bring them back soaps aren't the same without them the oltl actors went to others like Young And The Restless General Hospital but it's not the same Todd and John McBain will always be OLTL they need a reunion and come back
Fake Todd’s calmness always pissed me off.
So good to see Mcbane again! He's the man!
I watched some episodes of Trevor whoever he couldn't ever, ever act as well as Roger as Todd Manning!! Not even close!!
I still love myself some Todd Manning!!🥰
Which Todd did you like the best?
@@GeminiladyJackson-xq6hc There is only one true Todd. Roger!
@@conversationswithhollingsw4964 I was so happy that Roger Howarth came back to One Life to Live that I went out and bought a bottle of Champagne. I literally cried when One Life to Live went off the air. Roger Howarth is now on General Hospital but he's playing a different character.
Man I miss this time in soap opera this was the best time to enjoy soaps like OLTL man this was some great stuff thank god for UA-cam.
Revisionist much. There is a reason it went off the air.
Throwing the chair was HOT. Then again, everything RH's Todd does is HOT! DAMN, I missed him ;)
I've been watching this non stop forever now, lmao.
One of the greatest twists ever.
TSJ was really phoning it in, in this scene. Guess he was really unhappy about RH coming back and taking his place.
That wasn't he case. OLTL was cancelled and they needed to begin to do the work of ending the show. They were all going to lose their jobs regardless. They were planning on moving other characters to GH and some to Prospect park, but after a year, neither of those options lasted.
Why did they cancel this show. It had so much potential.
@@toddrossmanith5141 The same reason all the other soaps were cancelled... low ratings. But OLTL got real good at the end that it surpassed GH.
He played scenes like that all the time
Victor:"So you two are best friends huh?Touching" LMAO #GH
I HATED Jack.
Patricia Hill I second that emotion.
He's really bad! It's horrible. Glad I wasn't watching during most of his run, but he was practically unwatchable. Too bad they didn't have a better actor in the role. I would have loved to see Roger play off of a good actor.
Too bad they did not use Chad Duell to play Jack, uh huh now that would have been cool!
Would've been too old. Jack was supposed to be 8 1/2 years younger than Duell.
Patricia Hill I don’t think I Jack’s acting could be any worse...
Yeah I agree there is only one Todd and that is Roger hearth plus the real Todd manning would have never slept with marty saybrook
Michael Colon That’s the best part about the real Todd coming back. Because now Todd has never slept with Marty.
Or thrown Starr down a flight of stairs
RH Todd looks very serious
That character very rarely smiled. That fact just highlights how good Roger Howarth is. He conveyed so much through subtle facial expression, without ever using a smile to do so! Masterclass in acting
ong omg omg omg i just cant stop watching!!!
I don't care what anyone says. TSJ was a sucky Todd Manning. Even in this scene, he has no passion, no spark. He's just there, saying his lines like it's all "blah." Now, pulling a gun and acting crazy is classic Todd Manning! I'm so happy the show ended w/Roger coming back to stake claim on the role he made famous!!!
Absolutely
I totally agree there is only one Todd Manning and that's Roger Howarth. I NEVER liked TSJ version of Todd. It was hard to like him or to even sympathize with his version of Todd. I'm so glad that RH is back
la214la that's right
I think TSJ's Todd was endlessly manipulative and gaslighting to the people around him. RH's Todd was more open, and artless, in trying to get what he wanted. TSJ's Todd would be fine with dragging everyone around him down into his pit, as long as he got what he wanted; RH's Todd had a conscience, even if it was addled some of the time (or much of the time). They were two flavors of selfishness, one more calculating and cold than the other.
I don't have any particular preference between them. But in these sets of scenes, Todd's return, TSJ does a great, great job of giving life to his version of Todd. There's one small moment after another where he tries to warp reality to his needs, and demands that everyone go along with him; and every rupture in that process wounds him, causing him to lash out. This story, RH's return, is largely *about* everyone coming to reckoning with TSJ's character, including himself. The story doesn't go deep enough, of course.
This is what you call a story a soap opera!!!!!
I hate the fact that they cancell soaps! And of course would I love for OLTL to come back, but an other part of me are so happy that GH are back on track and that's because of Ron Carlivati and Frank Valentini...what happens if OLTL comes back? They can't do two soaps at the same time...and I also LOVE Todd and Starr and McBain on GH they fit right in! Hm...I have to think about that one ;p
The john mcbein n all his characters too he's amazing
Anyone else think that if Steven Burton ever decides to come back GH we will have similar situation? I mean with Jillian Phelps gone Steve could decide to come back and since GH has former OLTL writers I think it's a very real possibility.
I can't wait
matthatter56 I think that would be cool and amazing
It's happening
Fearless Chelly I was about to reply the same thing! That's actually what made me go back to rewatch this. Want it fresh in my mind to see if they reuse part of this story.
Fearless Chelly and Melissa Fielitz Sorry for the late reply but UA-cam alert system for comment is well you know trash. But yes it so freaking awesome.
I honestly hope this is referenced preferably by Franco. Something along the lines of.
Franco: Hey you know what is happening with Jason and Drew happened in a Pennsylvania.
Liz: Really?
Franco: Yeah Langville Landfill, something like that I don't know some of these towns have such weird names. Anyway it did happen. Well at least according to the internet.
LIz: Franco come on. It sounds like some of that fake news to me.
I miss this show.
Fantastic scenes! Great to see those three together again.
What's up w/Trevor's Todd's smirk and nonchalantness during this episode? I don't know if it's TSJ's choices or the direction, but he is not acting like a man disturbed by his "old" face reappearing.
Yep. He obviously was not caring at this point. He knew he was on his way out. He should have just taken on the Victor role and run with it.
I saw Teà on Netflix and had to come here and see this. I didn't forget her 👀😁
Actually Todd ws in Oakdale under the witness protection plan under the name Paul Ryan
And that's the T
It was funny when Tea told TSJ todd to Shut up.
Because her worst fear was coming true. She, like Blair, was doubting TSJ was the real Todd. Especially after her brother said he wasn't.
This kinda reminds me of the Jason Morgan Conspiracy on Gh, except Drew wasn’t in on it lol.
Victor wasn't in on it either he was brainwashed into believing he really was Todd
@@melli2413 ohh
I feel history is going to repeat itself when Michael Muhney returns to Y&R! This happen on Days with John/Roman, it happening on OLTL with Todd/Victor, it's going to happen with Y&R with Adam/Gabriel
Fucking wrong
Wishful thinking... especially for a 5 year comment... but no. Just, no.
You were saying
So I'm new to this show, how did they believe the other guy was Todd if he looks different???
They were born with the same face but the Trevor St. John "Todd" was told the real Todd's life story while Roger Howarth's "Todd" was medicated. He ended up believing that he was Todd Manning. Their mother, Irene Manning, gave the fake Todd a different face so that Mitch Lawrence would believe the fake was his brother, Walker Lawrence.
+boilerboy, from what I know of the storyline, it was Victor's idea to get plastic surgery after he got beat up so badly (beyond recognition) by Mitch's thugs. He decided he needed to look like Flynn, Mitch's brother, to protect his family from Mitch and get revenge on Mitch.
What do you mean by the con man part? You mean you think the storyline should have had Victor as someone who intentionally stole Todd's life? I don't see that doing that would have made more sense, considering the extent to which Todd's life was stolen and that he was still alive instead of having been killed. Then again, I wasn't expecting a brain wash storyline back when Howarth left in 1998 and I thought about him returning someday by the writers calling the current Todd an imposter (who learned about Todd via what Todd told him).
+TheV Todd left in 2003 then changed his face or so we believed
@@TheVeriaStarr and didn't TSJ play a dual role at one point when they brought back the real Finn and he played against Todd/Victor Jr.
Todd Manning would never hurt one of his children? Didn't tsj as Todd throw starr down a flight of stairs while she was pregnant😂
You see he's stole Blair and tea from me
Loved him my favorite actor period soap star even bad guy Todd made this better his long hair lol
You know one difference between the 2 lmao. When TSG be quick to call police but RH take matters into his own hands lol
In all the talk of who shot Victor, I think this scene is the most damning. Todd pulled a gun on him! Why hasn't anyone said anything about that in the 900 discussions since?
sk5835
You want to talk damning evidence
If you compare the flashback of Todd shooting Victor to the original shooting scene, Todd’s hands are bigger (using the gun as a measuring device), much darker in color, and more masculine then the original shooters hands (you can see the thick hair below Todd’s knuckles but the original shooter’s hands have hair that is much to fine to be seen on camera indicating female). Everyone knows Todd can remove his hands and put on female hands.
The original shooter shot Victor from the shadows by the stairs just OUTSIDE the living room, while Todd shot Victor in the middle of the brightly lit living room. Todd’s next magical power, he can be in two places at the same time.
The phone recording Victor’s shooting (which was still recording after Victor was shot) was about 4 feet away from Todd in his flashback and yet it did not capture Todd yelling right after he shot Victor. Todd is so sinister his voice cannot be captured on recordings even when he is yelling 4 feet away.
In Todd’s flashback, he threw the gun to the left of the house in those bushes, the gun was actually recovered in the bushes across from the house. Todd even used a magic gun that can move about 5 feet all by itself.
Todd never remembered shooting Victor until 2 months after it happened and after Todd was a captive audience in jail with his mother known for brainwashing and did who knows what to Todd for 8 years. That is the perfect set up for a no doubts situation.
The gun was only tested for Todd’s finger prints after Louie disappeared with it for 2 months claiming he escaped the Irene’s men. Because a homeless man escaping trained CIA men for 2 months is very probable, fingerprints cannot be planted on a gun in only 2 months, and it’s not suspicious at all that Louie only showed up with the gun when Todd was back in power.
Even though OLTL (TV & Online) tried to push Todd as the shooter, I can’t imagine why some people found it a tough pill to swallow.
where da damn scar?????
Gh used this same story kinda and applied it to Jason and Drew
OMG TODD!!??
Todd is always kidnapping blair's kids
It’s a favorite pastime of his...and yet, Todd is STILL way better than Victor ever was...
Um, they're his kids too, you know.😂
They both used to use the kids against each other whenever angry for any reason. It got old.
He's screaming at her.
Blair said, who 🔐 u up
@Lawra New...ok! Blair was ready! Who locked you up?! She wanted names.
Who locked you up? Says Blair😜😝
My theory is that Blair had Todd taken to Tomas and Tomas cloned Todd.
It’s so funny how GH stole their ideas 😂😂 from missing twin to multiple personalities but yet this show got cancelled 🤔
Cinnamon Spice Yeah cause Lord knows that’s the first time any soap is ever done a long lost twin story... shut up 🙄🙄
@@crisvanfan lol
Its not so much GH stealing ideas as it is the same writer and EP reusing previous scripts and stories.
I think this was around the time that Ron Carlivati wrote for the show wasn't it? His writing was just a mess, I couldn't believe what I was watching. The time travel storyline, the 2 Gigi's, turning Marty Saybrook into a psycho murderer, and trying to explain the 2 Todd's fiasco. Hard to believe he's still writing for Soaps today, AND he win a Emmy for it?? Twilight Zone....
Yes ReRon was the HW of OLTL at this time
I loved Trevor St.John!
Tea loved Todd.
She was really happy with Victor, though, even when she knew he was not Todd.
Love Todd.... love Starr, love Blair. Bring this show back!!!!! Roger should be Todd again. Don't like Austin
I agree with you 100percent
this man is not todd manning durrrrrrrrrr. rest asuredw e love u todd manning
This is really confusing.
4:07 facts
TSJ acting was not good here...he can act but here was not great
I think he checked out at this point... we knew OLTL was ending and he couldn't have been happy RH was resigned to reclaim the role of Todd... he should have taken the role of Victor Jr and run with it... TSJ was always too 'chilly' as Todd and was pretty abusive to his kids... RH's Todd had a quirky humor and could turn a phrase in a way that you knew he was damaged guy who just wanted to be loved. TSJ was is a good actor and would have made a good Victor Jr. Shame he didn't see the opportunity to run as Victor Jr. Locking horns with Todd until the OLTL finale on ABC.
Boyd mist more kuol path
Too bad this story was never finishef
*The short hair on Todd doesn't resonate.*
Who cares
Who doesn't
That African American man, looks funny
That's Baker. Funny because that's the same Baker that was in prison with Todd back in '93.
This whole story line was so bad lol
These scenes were so epic I'm sad that the horrible acting of the kid playing jack was so horrible. They should have kept the boy who played Jack before he could act and was a little kid . Or couldnt oltl find a better actor for a legacy character like jack ? Plenty of talented kids I'm sure in nyc at theatre schools. How did they not fire this kid ? I also didnt get why jack was such a shit to todd he knew he was given away at birth ( who would tell him that ,??) But he didnt care when he thought victor was todd. I just thought he should have been left out and we just had the og manning's starr blair tea todd then of course victor jr and viki and Tina jack could have been in jail rather than this kid and todd could have reacted to his son being in jail. I'd rather that then that twit being jack. I love the way starr moved away from victor. He also tried to brain screw her placing a heavy load on starr saying it's her that s the reason everyone believed he was todd. Todd lifting the load off her shoulders by saying he lied to her . Also loved blair tearfully saying " I dont know I dont know. Brilliant reveal.
Ah, the old "plastic surgery" gimmick--not surprised at all GH rehashed one of the oldest soap opera tricks when Steve came back to GH....
TSJ is Todd to me! He was great!
Roger Howarth is Todd
lisa cush Lol to you he is.
@@marqwright6436 TSJ did do a good job though
Honestly, watching clips from both actors, I've grown to appreciate Trevor St. John's part a little more... I especially liked him when he first came on back in '03 (partially due to Michael Malone being the headwriter again).
But Howarth was the one who made Todd the household name that he became, albeit reluctantly. If it was any other actor, Todd would've simply stayed "Gang rapist/frat boy #1."
@@marcelparker6755 FYI: when TSJ first came on, he was playing Walker. Port Charles was cancelled and Michael Easton was offered the chance to play Todd on One Life. He declined so they created McBain and made Walker into Todd