“I have an incurable and horrible illness, I suffer every day and just want it to end painlessly” Society: “bad luck mate, you’re seeing this through to the end, and any attempt to stop that is illegal” This is what you’re saying and it’s a disgrace.
And think about how many people say those things in dark times. And then come out of that mindset. So they could of just killed themselves or many tend to come out of such thinking. And realize the VALUE of human life. Cause we all struggle not a reason to end it. So went from sucide is a tragedy to sucide is a choice.
I think its definitely possible to justify euthanasia in certain cases, my only problem is giving the government that power to decide whose lives are or aren't worth continuing. I don't doubt initially it may start of for only people with seriously painful, debilitating or traumatic and un-curable diseases, however i think it is short sighted to not think that eventually the government would move the boundaries to allow 'euthanasia' on people who are just a burden on the welfare system, and risking that is a dangerous game to play when the cost will be lives that can never be given back.
@@christianthechristian8569 I’ve been depressed chronically since I was 4 I’m 25 now, every now and again I see Beauty in life but in truth that makes me want to jump off a cliff even quicker u guys enjoy life on a lv ppl like me will never fully grasp. And it fells hellish and or numbing on a near daily basses, but I’m supposed to keep going right? Because “other ppls fellings wold be hurt” if I weren’t around. Never mind those same ppl who don’t even realize the amount of pain a person can be in mentally
Life is not obligatory, life should be valued. The moral ethic standpoint of euthanasia and letting someone else choose if ur eligible to die is disturbing, the fact that terminally ill patients are presured by their financial situation, their lack of dignity and self worth due to their illness plays a huge part on the influence whether or not they choose euthanasia, death shouldnt be the first option in mind because euthanasia is just a planned suicide and its ethically and morally wrong.
@@x-knight580 Do you have any proof that I any of us chose to be born? If we don't have the right to die, how is life not obligatory? What gives you the authority to force people to live in misery against their will?
@The_Black_Anarchist Nobody is forcing anyone to live, it's already super easy to die. It's about not making it appealing, not making it corporatized, and not making it a medical option, because the strongest of misery can also be temporary, and many times it is. There's no way to tell in the midst of a crisis whether someone can recover, and the last thing they need is people telling them they're of sound mind and should flex their free will when they're at their lowest. That type of mindset can be an info hazard to people who would have otherwise recovered if people had been resistant rather than supportive of death.
Solve this let anyone have the Right To Die. It bothers me that one adult thinks one should live for another. This make no sense. Suffering is suffering
Angela bolin if we didn't priorities the many over the few, then we wouldn't have wars, I mean why the fuck sacrifice war casualties for the sake of the entire population? Because it's only logical to sacrifice some lives for the greater good, thinking fulfilling as much of the obligation the government has to its people in the social contract as it can.
You already have the right to refuse medical treatments and demand only palliative care. You have the right to demand effective pain management even though it may cause death. You already have a "right to die."
@@the135joker3 But to legalize euthanasia means that doctors and/or government authority would prioritize some lives as more worthy to live than others.
Levi and AGAIN, your life is YOURS. It’s great if you are healthy, happy and living a good quality of life. But the CHOICE, is ultimately not YOURS to make, buttercup.
Wow, you really don't understand what euthanasia is do you? Euthanasia isn't suicide. Euthanasia is state sponsored suicide like how Canada is encouraging people suffering from PTSD to commit suicide because it's more coast effective. Question- if the state knew of and had a cure for cancer should they withhold it from people suffering from cancer if it would be more cost effective to the taxpayer? Real question
Current medical pain management has now reached the point where there is no need for anyone with good medical care to die in agony. Many people who fear dying in great pain are remembering elders who died 20 or 30 years ago when pain management and medical protocols were not what they are today.
@@lauriej.3544 what are you talking about? Pain management is not yet perfect. Or are you talking about palliative sedation? Only that is only an option for a short while
@@j-mshistorycorner6932 it's not euthanasia if there is no consent, then it's simply murder. If some country allows for "euthanasia" without consent (something I HIGHLY doubt) then that should not be called euthanasia because it is not, that is murder.
People's lives are so complicated that it's impossible to say with any degree of certainty that life is worth living for everyone. Notice how people only say life is a blessing when they're perfectly healthy with no physical/mental problems. For some people euthanasia is the solution but this video chooses to ignore it
That is not entirely true. I knew an elderly man who fought terminal cancer. Every time he was asked how he was doing his response was " I am blessed." He did not say that because that's what he thought everyone wanted to hear but because he truly believed that he is blessed. Sure everyday was a struggle because of the affects of the cancer. But he knew that his suffering was only temporal and that soon he would e going home to Jesus. The difference is that he was not leaning on his own understanding but rather his focus was on god above rather then his present circumstance. There are many other people who I also personally know who also faced the end of life in the same manner. At least these people did not run away from their problems. But instead they put their faith and trust in god that whatever the outcome of their circumstance be, that in the end they would be ok. And now they are in haven with Jesus. The fact is no matter what spin you try to put on Euthanasia it is no different then suicide which is not the answer.
@@robertstacey1700 where is god? Where is he to help humanity with all our suffering? If he cares, why is he letting people go trough hell on Earth everyday for thousands of years already?
There is a deeper problem. Euthanasia means too that you are either sick of people or that people can't help you anymore. Many take this as a personal insult and I guess this is one of the main reasons they reject it. "How, what my company is not good enough that you want to survive and stay with me?". But in the end it's a problem of authority too. The human species accepts it that the strong decide the fate of the weak, regardless of how they suffer. I think it's pure violence and dictatorship to enforce your opinion in this issues on others and denied them a peaceful death.
all people opposing euthanasia are full of bs they are in the state of denial they just decide for themselves that they will not see the reality and the reality is they do take painkillers even for some minor pain but there can also be pain no painkiller works for the reality is some people have no job, no home, no family, no friends and absolutely no means to make their situation better most of all the agony people go through in hospitals and care facilities is real, lately I've seen what is going on in hospitals and I've met way too many doctors and nurses that I wish to in search for help for my mum, the bully-like attitude and the ignorance they were showing towards suffering patients, they were taking lightly even such things as dehydration and starvation, one doesn't have to possess higher education to know that one must drink and eat and if it is impossible must receive artificial hydration and nutrition, I recommend everyone a day in a hospital, just watch them to see with your own eyes the hell patients are given by those who supposed to be MDs and caregivers there is no other satan than the human who thinks you should suffer there is no other hell that this hell some people give to other people
"we can't just let anybody kill themselves after all!" This is where I fundamentally disagree. The whole rest of the video isn't even applicable if you're coming in with this huge preconceived notion.
@Michal Nazareth You're undermining how fucked up someone's life is to want to end it, that you're pawning their suicide off as selfish. Death is inevitable, so ending it early doesn't change that people will mourn, it just changes when they mourn. Some people dont experience devastating loss until much later in their life, others experience it very early and in large quantities. Don't assume that because you've been sad a few times and haven't killed yourself, that means that everyone's experienced your same level of depression and simply couldn't soldier on. People that have your opinion have had a very good life, so far, but that opinion will change. Hopefully, not so soon as your reply.
@Michal Nazareth So everyone who isn't successful with kids is disposable. People without kids are worthless? That's exactly what you're saying. And you wonder why people want to commit suicide.
@@johnnybananaseed8382 You just aren't looking at the wider implications of euthanasia. Yes the immediate effect sounds good, stop the suffering of the sufferers. But society shouldn't encourage people who are going through hard times, to kill themselves, and if you don't, youre a burden. Because regardless of society's semantics around it, you are going to feel like a burden on everyone around you if you choose to live, imagine feeling selfish because you don't wanna kill yourself.
@@Frank-jg4tq I can appreciate the sentiment of what you're trying to say but I think you're misconstruing how it would be advertised. For the countries it's legal in, it's not encouraged; it's simply an option for people to utilize, as they see fit. Obviously, I wouldn't want to see it as a late night infomercial or be able to go to a drive through and order it as a number 7. There are safeguards in place to make sure that it's not an impulse decision and it certainly wouldn't have salesmen trying to move it. It's nothing more than a last resort option.
Reason number 1: I don't want to be a test bunny nor fill hospital pockets. Id rather die and leave as much as possible to my family. Reason number 2: It doesn't matter, its my choice. Disease or not, it should be my choice. Reason number 3: So living is not a right but a civil obligation?
Don't judge another's choice for assisted suicide, until you walk in their shoes. I can understand why some people are so fed up with a chronic illness that causes excruciating pain, being stuck in a broken-down body, poor quality of life, that they want to leave their burdensome physical body behind, so they can be free. Everybody's life circumstances are different, so there is no one-size-fits-all solution. If the patient is lucid and thinking rationally, that is entirely their choice.
@@Coolmaster-kj4sr Try being trapped in a body that is severely handicapped or chronic, unremitting pain for which there is no cure. Then you can talk about being "mentally weak".
If you are against people taking a stand against slavery, then I suggest two things: 1 - Don't do it 2 - Don't give advice to those who want to do it Do you see how this approach to ethics is untenable?
@@BrianHoldsworth Not at all. I’m not ‘against’ people who are against euthanasia. I’m against those who try to make laws that limit the actions of other people when said actions do not harm others. This goes for abortions, too. So I’m not so much ‘for’ legalizing euthanasia’ as I am eliminating laws that limit individual freedom.
@black fang No because that's not valid you're forcing your political views on another person who is financially suffering will we must lie they did not give consent to lose their assets/properties in this state and you're being abusive.
@@BrianHoldsworth If animals can be mercifully put to sleep, why can't humans? In fact, I think people who want euthanasia should be organ donors. Let them know they will save lives before going to sleep. Euthanasia should be legalized. I have a chronic illness that doctors misdiagnosed big time. Now they're all covering for each other. Why don't you get a bad illness and see that you have no future, then redo this video promoting euthanasia. I plan on going to Dignitas to get myself put to sleep. Your video is dumb. The only person that should decide whether they want to live or die is that person.
100% truth, the Government would lose a lot people aka "cattle" which would result in less tax, less money and eventual collapse of the system. This fool cannot see this because his too busy drinking that religious kool-aid.
You know what ? I think that is their greatest fear. Every one they have near them and their controlling persona would want to make that choice and they don't want to fess up that they treat people badly on purpose.
@marty mcfly 10 years? You gotta be kidding me... right to euthanasia should be immediate upon request, period! I would only agree to debt payment and having small children, but only in case it's not a terminal disease causing excruciating pain to a person... the sufferer won't be capable of earning money anyway. The debtor will have to suck it up.
The real reason is that a large part of the male population would use it, and that would be too many slaves lost in the eyes of goverment and companies.
I have to disagree with you. We should have the right to die when we feel like it. Yes its a tad gloomy but many things are that way. People are gonna commit suicide regardless. I rather have them die with dignity
I'm so sorry... My Mum died of pancreatic cancer, in the end she wasn't even a person anymore... Just a panicked mess of vomited blood... I can barely describe how fucking horrific it was
I read these comments, but I also read comments from people who had hospice and whose loved ones had a good death from these same illnesses which was a natural death. I believe we should give everyone a good death, just without killing them.
@@FronteirWolf Well even though my Mum was absolutely pumped full of painkillers as she died from pancreatic cancer her death was anything but "good". My last memories of the strongest person I know are of her vomiting blood, panicking are repeating "help help help help help" over and over. Some people just have no idea of that level of despair and suffering; it's difficult to fathom until you've seen it with your own eyes.
@@maxmillman9477 That is a really bad situation, I am sorry you went through that. I can understand why you and many others hold the position you do on this particular issue. I'm sure it is impossible to fathom the despair and suffering until you have seen it first hand.
Why is it cruel to euthanise humans, but not animals in pain? If someone is in pain, and there is no helping them, they should have the right to call it quits. If there is no longer a quality of life, keeping them alive as they suffer is torture.
I literally have no idea how respecting ones right to die alongside the right to live contradicts an egalitarian society in any way? If life is a right then dying by will should be an option, otherwise life is not a right but a obligatory thing thats imposed on us since the day we are born. And since we are able to offer humane death, but choose not to, that means our life is literally being controlled by the system that refuses to let us use this option that would be available if they didnt inhibit us from using it. If we didnt have the option to offer humane ends then it would be a different question.
society wants these people to die anyway.. they keep getting fired from their jobs and pushed out by people who hate them for no reason.. they want us homeless and they make us homeless.. they want us to suffer and die miserably.. they all admit it when they talk to each other behind your back..
Isn't it ironic? If you have a dog or cat that is living in pain and suffering than you are a bad owner and a selfish person for not putting it down and forcing it to continue living a horrible life. However, if you are a person who is living in pain and suffering, unable to enjoy life you are a bad person and selfish for wanting to end your own suffering via suicide?
@@levisando The ending of your own life should have even less debate than the ending of another life without their direct consent. So why is it okay to deny other people the right to end their own suffering but at the same time refusing to end the suffering of animals without their direct consent is considered animal abuse?
@@BrianHoldsworth So you think people in that situation should be forced to do something messy and violent towards themselves, alone, with all the risks entailed by a botched attempt, when it could be handled medically and in the comfortable presence of others? Your thinking is sinister.
It’s odd as we don’t give it much thought when it comes to our animals. We want to help end their suffering and we do. Yes it’s more complicated, but why is it so difficult to fathom such compassion for each other?
Nobody who doesn't live with terrible mental or physical illness should be trying to control the lives of those who do. In fact, nobody should try to control the lives of others. This is why rape, assault and murder are all illegal- someone's will is imposed on another, in turn causing harm. The audacity of trying to control others is astonishing and inhumane, and the arrogance of thinking that one knows better about another's decision regarding their own suffering is atrocious and deplorable. We live in a society based on free will, it is a cornerstone of function. Why then do we simply cast this to the wind when suicide is concerned? The problem with the current paradigm is that people's right to take their own lives is encroached upon via restriction: those with mental health issues have relatively humane methods of suicide removed- firearms, drugs, etc. This creates a more dangerous society, and forces desperate people to take drastic action: suicide by cop, suicide by train or by jumping in front of a car, etc, which then creates more suffering where it needn't exist. If you're going to restrict access to lethal means, then you'd better have the tools to solve that person's problems, bearing in mind that therapy, both traditional and pharmacological, isn't a panacea. Moreover, the current paradigm creates situations in which people don't seek "help" due to fear of losing their rights; people with firearms simply shoot themselves without warning, because they know that if they seek help they'll likely have their right to possess said weapons removed and be forced to end their lives in more excruciating, lengthy ways. Wasting opportunities to alleviate unnecessary suffering, in the name of supposed "morality", is un utterly ludicrous notion. Forcing a suicidee's loved ones to bear witness to the fact that their final moments were spent in agony unnecessarily isn't helping anyone. Forcing suffering people into desperate, degrading positions- hospitalisation, painful, botched attempts etc. is not heroic, it's brownosing of the worst kind. People need to remember that they aren't Gods, and they therefore have no right meddling in the affairs of the bereaved. Stay in your lane, don't increase the misery of others (many of whon have faced horrors you can only imagine) whilst foolishly thinking you're helping. Karma might just see you suffer as a result, then you may just face the same horrible cycle your arrogance has created in the lives of others. It's their life, not their parent's, not their friends or relatives, not yours. Theirs. When enough is enough, don't make them die in pain for your own ego.
Thank you Max. You are so wise. For example me...I cannot use a hospital due to multiple chemical sensitivities and can barely leave my home... I would like to see this guy live my life for one day without thinking of suicide. And sadly...I am afraid he is too young to know... Not to mention I have no family living nearby and my friends also don't live nearby to help.
@@TheAmericanCatholic I'm not talking about assisted suicide, I'm talking about restricting access to lethal means. It's one thing to help someone die, it's another to prevent them from doing it themselves in a relatively humane way, such as via shotgun.
You mentioned “we can’t just let people kill themselves afterall” my question is why not? It’s their body and their decision. Why should you decide if someone lives? Who has granted you authority to make that decision?
He doesn't, nor the person wich the body belongs to. Suicide is a disrespect for human life and for the amazing work God did when He created us. Even if you don't believe in God, it is morally wrong anyways and it's a cowards move (talking about depression and all), it's a cowards move because it's easier to kill yourself then value your life.
@@duceofwellington4755 if you had a child or family member that had an accident and was quadriplegic and they indicated clearly to you that they were in pain and suffering and wanted to end their life, you would keep them alive and suffer?
@@Zen_Power i actually did, my aunt had cancer for like 5 years, and she was in a lot of pain but she didn't want to kill herself, she would go to heaven whenever God wanted and everyone who fights for their life until the end (and had a good life) has a place in heaven assured. Sure my aunt didn't want to end her life since she believed God is the only one who can decide to take someone's life or not. What most people miss on this types of things is God. My family also suffered with this, it wasn't easy to watch someone we love suffer but at the same time we knew that the only thing wich kept her going was her will to live and God. When she died we were happy she could finally live peacefully for eternity, wich if she would have suicide wouldn't happen.
The solution is obviously to allow anybody who wants it, to have it. Walk into your hospital, fill out forms, do the waiting period(if not terminal) of 3 months to a year, and then come back, and if you still want it, it is your right.
@@Crazy_Rich_Asian It pays not to fuck with desperate people! If they refuse to stay in their lane in regards to your right to die, you might refuse to stay in your lane in regards to their right to live. That's more than fair. If they survive, they might just live to understand your predicament when they howl in pain and beg for release, only to be told "you're not terminally ill; you're on your own". How ironic would that be?
It's not your choice at all. Legalized euthanasia, if ever widespread...would be the greatest trick ever pulled into tricking people into population control at the benefit of massive cooperations
I love being alive and I love my family I will not pressure anyone to commit suicide but if the pain becomes too much and they choose to commit suicide who am I to tell them not to and who are you to tell me not to
I just had a friend die from assisted suicide. He had Lou Gerig's Disease. He went from being a strong man, he loved camping and being outdoors to a man who couldn't move a muscle. He body was completely paralyzed, he cld only move his eyes : ( On his birthday he had a big party with his family, then took a lethal dose and passed peacefully at home.
I have always been for euthanasia. The arguments against it I have heard so far are always religiously charged, which never convinced me. This is definitely thought provoking. 👍
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The biggest argument for euthanasia is that you need to ask the government for permission/sovereignty over your body instead of God. Why, even if you believe God doesn't exist, would you need to ask the government for that permission? You don't, and shouldn't. It's all a ruse, to get people with untreatable conditions that would burden the socialized medical system, and incapable people burdened by mental illness who don't pay a ton in taxes to get rid of themselves. Literally only the government and the systems it's in bed with benefit from euthanasia. Killing people is bad and getting other people to kill themselves, regardless of any nuance, is bad.
I think the main issue is the fact that you need to appeal your right to die. I agree on having a 90 day time period to give the person some time to think it over if they choose to change their mind. But I believe everyone has the right to a pain free death as it is available. I'm sure my opinion is not popular but so be it. Life is not for everyone, some people just want out. (Maybe having an age restriction of like 18+ would make it more acceptable I suppose)
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE Dear the point is the person should be able to understand what death is. Most children don't understand such ultimate things but if a child is intelligent enough then surely yes for them too.
I don’t agree with age restrictions or waiting periods in this case, if life offers you no value and you’re suffering mentally and physically, you should have the right to die.
You have used several logical fallacies, you have subjectively presented points of view that boost your position and you are clearly biased, you even changed the definitions of certain words. I am very sorry to say that you seem unable to argue this point.
Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing about how biased he is, but looking at something objectively isn't the same as coming to a neutral conclusion. It just means you look at the facts without the lense of your own experiences. If the facts point to one side or the other, it doesn't make the process any less objective.
I understand where you are trying to go with this and I sympathize with your close perspective with ALS, but this is not about doctors 'allowing' suicide. It isn't about people being forced to carry out their lives for the sake of being a guinea pig for the study of better medications, and it also has nothing to do with politicians or money or funding or taxes. This is about choice. If tomorrow I decide to die with dignity instead of suffering to the horrible and bitter end because I have a meningioma in my brain, it does not affect you at all. Everyone is going to die. If someone makes the conscious decision to die on their terms, to have that choice, is a wonderful thing.
it's not a slippery slope if there is consent. people who wanna live can live, people who wanna die can do so without being blown to bits. nobody is forced to do anything. sounds like an absolute win.
You keep saying that the government will chose whether you live or die when that’s not how it works, you decide that and a doctor will allow you to do that if they think you have a good reason to want to.
W.G Phil why do you get to die when I had to live through it when I was suffering horribly. Things are a million times better now, but the end never seems near in the middle of a crisis. So in legalizing euthanasia do we sacrifice our resilience?
@@adrianamunguia9887 Frankly speaking its utter bullshit. It worked fine for you but for thousand others it did not. I knew a boy who tried to commit suicide with rope... well he ended up as vegetable for a few years.
torar that’s the risk you take when you try to kill yourself, sadly. That’s the reality of it. I agree we should be able to in some circumstances, and in a perfect world no one would take advantage of this, but I see his point in giving up our resilience, and eventually insurance companies using it as an option to save money, old people being manipulated by their drug addict children. All these things should be taken into consideration, not just guy you know who tried to kill himself, and failed miserably. So many of us have just wanted to die, felt hopeless, and thought ourselves to be better off dead, but later have found a purpose for living. Would we be taking that away from people? A chance, if they can just hold on, get counseling, avoid the toxic people in there lives, move, or whatever might eventually help them. When they realize they are not the problem that needs to be taken out of the equation?
My mom was sexually abused in her childhood. She still has nightmares after 20 years and hearing her describe it was like a pain worst than death. She's powered through it but some people can't function. Not saying that everyone should rush to kill themselves, but in the case of certain abuses and mental illnesses.... I get it. The trauma never goes away.
You're right. I was sexually abused in my childhood as well. I have BPD BP1 PTSD major depression substance use disorder and a few health problems. They are all so pervasive and painful. It never ends and I can't catch a break. Negatively effecting every aspect of my life every second of every minute of every hour of every day. I take medicine, I'm in therapy, I have been since I was a child. I attempted suicide before and the memory of being unconscious was the most tranquil and peaceful place I'd ever been. The void is nothing to be scared of. It is home.
Has she tried EMDR? This therapy can be borderline miraculous in helping patients with trauma. I also high recommend "The Body Keeps the Score" - Bessel Van Der Kolk
The sermon started with patronising: this is how you should feel! I, as a healthy 38 yo person do wish to die out of my rational reasoning over 3+ years. Prematurely dying? I was birthed against my will at first place. The bureaucracy is there because people are ignorant, and hence afraid. Everybody celebrates birth, everybody mourns death - a huge generalisation.
I'm not sure I understand how can this gentleman say "nobody should have the right to decide who lives and who dies" and then argue against someone's freedom to decide to live or die. How can you be in favor of a third party deciding on whether someone MUST continue to live after the initial statement.
Government should get out of the business of saving those who do not want to be saved. If society is going to make doctors the gatekeepers of death and the doctor says no to a persons choice. Then that person may select a method of termination by drugs and alcohol.
Political Predictions Ok but they took away the peaceful methods of suicide from us. Leaving us to kill ourselves in a violent manner and possibly scarring whoever finds the dead body.
@@electionsuk Most people don't have the guts it takes to kill themselves, self preservation mechanisms are ingrained into our psyche, which are pretty fucking pointless seeing as how we all die in the end anyway. I've been wanting to die for a three years now, but every time I try, I can't stop thinking about how I might just end up disabeling myself instead of dying.
@@electionsuk People forget that they already have to right to refuse any treatment and to demand only palliative care if they wish. And doctors will usually acquiesce to the need for pain medication even if it is known that will lead to death; doctors have already done this for many decades.
@@lauriej.3544 So what? There is still need for euthanasia for people who physically suffer. For example last stadium of many kinds of cancer is pretty painful. Why should we keep someones life when we already know he is going to die? If he wants to die then give him the option to control his own death.
Rebuttals: 1. It's unjust force people to live longer than they want even if that would result in funding research or innovation. Let's say that 50% percent of people like whole milk and 50% like nonfat milk. Meanwhile, there's a company MilkTech that is researching techniques to make nonfat milk taste more like whole. If more people bought nonfat, it would be easier for MilkTech to obtain funding. Should we force some of those whole milk drinkers to have skim instead to spur research? Clearly not. 2. There's an easy fix for this, which is remove the bureaucracy entirely. But if that's too radical for you, just think of it this way: the reality is that some people's lives are better than others, and even to the point that some individuals' lives are not worth living. Should we deny this fact to make people feel better? That seems to be your conclusion if you believe we shouldn't think of people's lives' worths in this way. 3. Perhaps the easiest rebuttal. Partial legalization (as in having to appeal to a bureaucracy in order to kill yourself) is better than blanket banning. At least there's some freedom available to the individual instead of none.
Here's the problem. It's not about "us" or "we." It's about the individual who wants the option. It's their private medical decision. Beyond certain basic rules, the public doesn't have the right to force people in these situations to stay alive.
We have a thing going on here in the Netherlands what I call 'assisted suicide inequality.' Assisted suicide is only allowed if a team decides for you that you 'suffer enough' and thus are qualified to have your life ended. I mean come on: why so complicated? It's not fair to allow some to die and others not when they want it. Where's the equality?
Nobody, outside of a child/parent relationship, has a right to someone else's ability to provide a service to them - especially one that they find ethically objectionable. Therefore, nobody has a right to force someone else to kill them. Further, calling it a dignified death is begging the question. You have to establish what dignity means according to criteria that is universally accepted (or you're just vandalizing words to fit your idiosyncratic philosophy). Then you have to demonstrate that having someone kill you prematurely aligns with that, objective, definition of dignity. And it can't be an appeal to subjective preference or emotion because this is a question of law and, therefore, public interest. It must be based on something we all share and is mediated between us. Subjective ethics are not shared between us... only objective truth (or the natural law) can be described in this way.
@@BrianHoldsworth Dignity as in the Dignity of Human Beings, a cornerstone of ILHR (and the Brazilian Constitution, under which I am set), thus, my criteria is quite universally, or should I say internationally, accepted. I don't know your channel, I was just searching for some ideas for my thesis, so I don't know if you're familiar with Law studies, but, if you are, you should know that it is much more than just public interest. I'll be using a Kantian approach applied to bioethics (my field of interest), which sounds counterintuitive seeing as Kant was against suicide, but despite that, his own exceptions for the latter can be analogically extended in favour of euthanasia. While I agree that subjective ethics isn't shared, one's own medical and mental condition is factual and diagnosable, and one's chosen course of action should be guided by one's will, denying this person from this right would contradict your "egalitarianism" argument, sic, "nobody should have the authority to decide who should live and who should die", because, if that held true, one would be able to choose to freely die under the appropriate conditions, which, in and of themselves, are not a violation to "egalitarianism", just as the conditions set to get, say, a driver's license aren't. I'm not vandalizing words, I'm putting together a rational, science-based, thesis, because that's what Law should be, rational. PS: This comment may have some grammar mistakes, English is not my mother tongue, but it should be perfectly understandable.
nobody asked for your permission if you wanted to live or to be born on this earth, thats more selfish to me than deciding if you wanted to die with your full consent and permission. we dont know what life is when we are not alive yet then dont be afraid to die just because you dont know how it feels.
I appreciate your video, i think you make some sound points. One thing i would like to mention however is that the whole idea behind medically assisted suicide is the belief in a positive right to death. You are correct in saying that a patient can refuse treatment, but without the proper drugs, the remainder of that individuals life may be considerably worse, effectively leaving someone to the wolves. It feels cruel to tell someone "no, even though you have made your decision, we will not help ease your suffering in the way you have chosen, do it yourself"
Denying terminally ill people who wish to pass away in a positive way a dignified death is a bad idea. Actually, thats the worst idea anyone can have. We live in more educated times now than we did thousands of years ago when your views were born.
"Hey did you know that everyone who lived in ye olden days was stoooopid and couldn't do anything but bang rocks together? And I am very smart. Because I live now." Lol yeah I can tell how very educated you are
4:00 is not about been "useful or vital to us". It about eliminating unpurposeful suffering on the patient, when there is no other practical way to do so.
They're qaking questions to determine whether the person requesting suicide meets the criteria or not. These criteria are usually around level of suffering and whether there's a chance they could be cured. They also check to confirm the person is not being coerced. The criteria all depend on the rules put in place by the jurisdiction you're in. Nowhere has euthanasia been legalised with any criteria about how useful someone is to society. It's always about the requesters pain and prognosis. It's easy to make an emotive argument when you don't stick to the facts.
If someone wants to die, it should be NO ONE else's debate but their own. Period. Sick or healthy. When someone is ready to go, they should be able to make that decision solely.
tldw version: "Guys forget everything you heard and let's see it objectively by letting me pour one-sided propaganda into yout heads. Thx for watching."
If a person believes their suffering is intolerable, they will try to find a way to commit unassisted suicide. Legalizing euthanasia will simply help lift the stigma off such a decision. The only real problem that I see with euthanasia is the doctor's emotional pressure - a person that dedicated themselves to saving lives has to end one. I believe it would be more moral if the "final cut" was made by, say, a machine that could be only set into motion by the patient themselves.
@@AndrewTheAntinatalistthey keep saying it’s a cowards way out and that it’s selfish. But in reality it’s our life not there’s. They have a good life so they won’t understand from our point of view.
so i can choose when to brush my teeth, what to eat, what my hobbies are, what films to watch and make potentially serious decisions like when to put a pet down etc.. but im not 'allowed' to choose how/when i die. Society didnt give birth to me therefore i dont have to request permission from it. For every 1 person who wants assisted suicide, there is probably 100 newborns that died during child birth. abortions etc... The very notion that someone should continue to suffer and/or have poor quality of life just because YOU who doesnt have any current health problems is both selfish and cruel. Practice a little empathy.
What do you mean? You need the governments permission to brush your teeth? Or to be born? What are they gonna do, arrest your corpse if you self delete? Perhaps you should consider that MAYBE, just maybe, the government and healthcare systems are making you presume you need their permission for their own gain? If that's possible, why on earth would you support this?
Funny how unti-euthanasia arguments are all made by healthy people. I couldn’t decide not to be born, but it’s my right to have that eternal peaceful rest. Wish you a chance to truly experience it and then reconsider your points :).
Ummmm I'm not healthy. I have been diagnosed with severe depression, anxiety and PTSD disorder. I had to quite my job, and the numbers of abusive marks on my own skin made during panic attacks are a testament to how hard this road has been for me. Not to mention, surviving many suicide attempts, which I am thoroughly grateful for. I've had my life saved too many times to count, and I've come far since then. I know depression will pass. Or, are you saying that if I have a real hard day, I should just give into the depression and suicidal thoughts? No, thats why its a battle every single day. Your brain is sick. Just like if you broke an arm, had a cast and couldn't write or type for a bit. Is it worth it to remove the cast to relieve the itch, or do you wait it out so you can ACTUALLY HEAL? Suicidal thoughts are symptoms of the disease. See how it gets muddy here, and its not easy to make sweeping generalizations of people? I see the "opt out" option and enabling the disease by making it "okay" to give up. And its a slap in the face for those still fighting even as some of their favorite celebrities give into the illness. An old lady in Belgium with two daughters requested to be euthenised. Shes depressed after she lost one daughter. The other daughter, has no idea her mother is doing this. And I have a feeling as the old lady doesn't want to tell her, that she won't know until her mom is gone. She didn't need to seek therapy, she tried anti depressants on and off for "a few weeks" and gave up. Grief is normal. Pain is shitty but literally every human being on the planet faces it in WAY WORSE WAYS than we do. And they push through. Euthanasia is definitely an option for those in such severe pain they cannot hope to live a life of some sort of semblance of normality. But just opening up the gate and making it normal has dire consequences. Suicide is already the leading cause of death worldwide. Or are we going to pretend to be okay with that too? I think you should reconsider your points.
CatFaceFaces CatFaceFaces Mental illnesses and physical illness are two very different things. Some people suffer from both types of these conditions and multiple conditions. I don’t think you should speak on another persons physical pain and suffering, after all you are not in their shoes. Yeah you state you are going through emotional trauma and struggles but do you know what it feels like to deal with chronic pain and physical disability on top of that? Like you said there are people who have it way worse. So by you admitting that someone has it worse than you means you couldn’t even begin to imagine their pain. So who are you to decide if they should endure such a low quality of life just so that they don’t risk “giving up”. Some people don’t see the point or are totally incapable of struggling to work/keep a job in order to afford treatments when there are no cures for their conditions. Anyways all your arguments are based off of emotion and are therefore not rational...
@@oOKitty86Oo You fought through all of that because you wanted to. People that don't feel like going through this screwed up world should have the option to take their own life. Suicide should be a basic human right, that anybody should have access regardless of who they are and what they're going through.
This is a good video because even as someone who believes in the legalization of assisted suicide and euthanasia, I can still watch this video and understand where you are coming from. You are very respectful and make good points. I still fundamentally believe in the right to assisted suicide but this was a great perspective to look at!
Good points, I see where you are coming from. Groups whose efforts are to not allow people to end their suffering are as controlling as the bureaucracies.
Euthanasia is only humane. A painless end to those who desire for it. Let people be free from their own burdens if they wish to... after all, only the individual knows how heavy their burdens are.
Crab-mentality-preventors be like "I don't escape this life, so you must not either". It’s like someone offering an empty cardboard of hamburger box to a straving person, saying “I give up! You’re on your own. It’s your fault if you won’t eat the damn hamburger (box)!” The Suicide Prevention Resource Center promotes that, the costs of suicidal behaviors-and the savings that can result from preventing these behaviors-can help convince policymakers and other stakeholders that suicide prevention is an investment that will save dollars as well as lives. However, what is being done to prevent suicide is not working and the amount spent each year is staggering. According to a recent analysis, 'mental health spending rose to $225 billion in 2019-an increase of 52% in the past decade.'
My brother recently passed with a friend being his medical power of attorney . He expressed his will to live on many occasions even in the ambulance to the hospital . It was the most devastating thing I have ever heard of . He had no idea this was a possibility . He fought to live and could have . So be careful who you give control of your life to. His last words were ' I want to live ,please don't let me die ' .
I'm a few minutes in and I think this is already riddled in silly pesuppositions. Suicide is an incredibly uncomfortable experience in itself, and, if given the chance, most people would prefer to live comfortably. That's the whole point. So, there's no need to worry about it becoming trendy or turning into an industry killing quick fix solution. That's ridiculous. Sure, suicide may disproportionately affect marginalized groups, but it's less a problem of suicide legalization than it is improving the quality of life for eveyone.Then, there's your mention of people that "shouldn't be allowed" to kill themselves. This is so painfully arbitrary. People have a will over their own bodies regardless of anyone's judgement. The criteria people often give against letting the average person die is, in all cases, trivial and nonsensical at times. How would you even go about measuring suffering, for instance? If someone wants to end themselves, let them. Involuntarily imposing on someone will is immoral no matter what. It's kind of like the argument surrounding abortion. Even if we grant that whatever is in the womb is a person, that person still doesn't have the right to use his mother's body with her consent. It's so plain to see.
When people say you may be pressured to commit suicide you have bad friends and family you've lived a bad life or have bad friends they don't want you to die
So, I've reached the end of your video and I've listened to the points you make, which are extremely important. It is true that legalizing euthanasia might lead to forms of discrimination, which we must actively work to prevent. However, I am staunchingly in favour of both "active euthanasia" (lethal injection/MAiD/assisted suicide) and "passive euthanasia", which should be (and for the most part is) a basic right, but it is still frequently called into question (for context, I live in Italy and there are people who oppose "pulling the plug" even if that is the patient's wish). Euthanasia should always be strictly regulated by certain criteria, in my opinion: autonomy (= the decision has to come from the patient, not from anyone else trying to coerce them; this might mean mandatory counseling at the hospital about palliative care), complete clinical transparency from the doctors involved, ethical counseling if one so wishes, maturity (one has to be of lawful age to decide - euthanasia for sick kids should be regulated with even stricter rules). Finally, the patient should be of sound mind and capable of rational judgment. The guidelines shouldn't be framed as "oh, since you're sick, you're disposable". Just as we give special aid to certain parts of the population (economic, social, etc. facilitations given by the government) and they are not given to other people who might want them since they do not need them, the same should be said for physician assisted suicide. It should merely be an option, if the person volountarily chooses it, to alleviate their extreme pain. It shouldn't be something common, but something that is there as a last resort and a form of mercy.
By making it only possible to people who can consent discriminates against people who can’t legally consent like children, mentally challenged or any illness that could cause the patient not to be in the right state of mind or physically able to consent. It’s a very murky subject for me I’m really not undecided on the subject, just pointing out the potential flaws of your reasoning.
Don’t forgot the issue of legal guardianship. Guardians have a lot of power over patients medical decisions. They should be banned from making euthanasia decisions for someone else. Also euthanasia done by a medical professional is in my mind murder and should not be legal in this country.
Sorry, you are wrong and everything in this comment is wrong. Assistant (sic) suicide should be illegal... people with your mind set need to change it. See how unproductive a reply that is?
Here in the uk they just do it off the record-give the person a bit too much morphine or that was what they did when my mum worked in a hospital 20 years ago if they were terminally ill and in unbearable pain
Let's see what you will think when someday you get into an accident that makes you unable to perform basic human tasks like (Sleeping, talking or simply using parts your body)
Not sleeping adequately for long periods is torture- I can personally attest to this. It gets to a terrifying point where one can't understand basic sentences, and forgets all manner of things. Thoughts are reduced to nauseating, sometimes nonsensical loops. The fatigue and anxiety are horrendous. It's inhumane and unnecessary to leave a person in this state against their will. And for what good? One can barely produce anything of worth in this state, and suffer for the privilege. It's a lose-lose situation.
Yea.. Let's let 'em suffer!! And in the meantime, we can make some money from their situation by selling them misery prolonging medications, pain killers, latest cutting-edge therapies.. So yea.
My grandmother begged to breathe for years. My mom was dependent on enteral feeding because she couldn't swallow. And I started showing symptoms of Huntington's disease last year, and I'm only 19. I'll end up in bed & die like them in a few years. I just want to die peacefully, without losing all of my muscle control & becoming a conscious vegetable in extreme pain. Is that too much for your morals?
I disagree with the notion, that we as a society would decide the value of a human by making this option of assisted suicide available, but rather would be fully supporting someone's own decision that the value of their suffering is not worth the remaining time it takes to endure it. I believe that if someone of sound judgment makes this decision than as a society we should honor that choice.
1. I dont care. 2. What thats insane and not a real arguement. I think its odd that you believe that by the state granting people the ability to end their own lives they are some how less worthy of life. Isnt the opposit true, if the state denies you the ability to end your life doesnt that if anything, make you a lesser class
I have never understood how euthanasia is not legal. You know how we kill animals when they are suffering? Why does the same not apply to humans? Imagine your mother lying in bed for the rest of her life, suffering. Keeping her alive for your sake would be selfish af.
4:33 Psychiatric cases of a Euthanasia in the Netherlands accounted for 1% of the total for both 2015 and 2016, unlike Cancer which lead with 73% and 68% respectively*. You’re gonna need more to your Slippery Slope argument than the fear of a few mental health case headlines. (Not to mention the cases were quite complicated, involved and above board). *Source: RTE Dutch Regional Euthanasia Review Commission Annual Reports 2015/2016*
1. assisted suicide equals insufficient funding for researchers? That's like saying if you allow people to drop out, the society won't support the education system 2. alledging assisted suicide as unjust discrimination? most advocates of assisted suicide appeal to the idea of voluntary acts (as emphasized by suicide), it's not about asking people to die, it's about providing a possibility for people to choose from in place of their suffering. 3. egalitarianism this is a very interesting point, I support this argument.
Walk one day in the life of a person with a chronic pain condition that cycles the pain all day long, that no amount of percocet, vicodin, or morphine will help them. Walk one day in their shoes and then tell that person, "you have to experience this pain for the rest of your life'. Then go judge why some one wants to end that existence. You talk about various reasons why euthanasia and assisted suicide is a bad idea. The only reason to be considered is "pain". That's it.
Pain management has made great strides during the last 20 years. If the emphasis shifts from good pain management to euthanizing patients who suffer, we will all, especially the poor, suffer a great deal more than is necessary.
I think that if you have a terminally ill and physically painful disease such as cancer and they consent then yes. But you should have to have their consent. No legal loopholes to allow the judge to go against the consent of the people who want it or don’t.
I. LOVE. THIS. I believe in giving a person the option of euthinasia and I’m actually research good points for a class. I love hearing the other side to this argument. It definitely opened my eyes, and helps me to see how everything is not so black and white, and possibly changed my view.
@@BrianHoldsworth If the emphasis shifts from patient care and good up to date pain management, to simply killing people, it will be a great day for the insurance companies but a sad, less humane experience for the rest of us.
@@lauriej.3544 ///// 'Simply killing people' is sometimes known as murder. That is against the law. It is the patient's right to say what he wants. The insurance won't even notice as it happens so infrequently.
@@BrianHoldsworth They kill themselves tho. They administer the drug thats going to kill them to themselves. Nothing is more morally acceptable than giving a person who is in immense pain a way out. Your views are outdated by a few thousand years
Can I first say, I I support the right to decide when I end my life. I fully expected to be against the subject matter that objected to my own personal view. I congratulate the team that rationally argued a ethical issue. I genuinely want a reasoned debate and I can only see a concensus after many points and beliefs have been put on the table. This is a topic that will split in two the, it's my life and my choice believers and life is not to be taken under any circumstance adherents. I believe I and only I have the right to end my life, nobody has any right to make me pass away in pain and distress, or to spend years dribbling into a bowl. Medical advances have increased life expectancy by decades for the lucky first world people. Natural selection has been relegated to second place in the journey of a single human being. Medicine has overtaken natural happenings and consequently there are billions of people walking this earth today who, in the natural world, would have not passed on their inferior genetics. I'm going off point, but credit you for offering reasoned debate. This is a highly emotive topic, but it can still be argued in a civil manner.
“I have an incurable and horrible illness, I suffer every day and just want it to end painlessly”
Society: “bad luck mate, you’re seeing this through to the end, and any attempt to stop that is illegal”
This is what you’re saying and it’s a disgrace.
because they want to make us all suffer.. everyone in this world is sadist.. they control your life and they decide to make you suffer..
And think about how many people say those things in dark times. And then come out of that mindset. So they could of just killed themselves or many tend to come out of such thinking. And realize the VALUE of human life. Cause we all struggle not a reason to end it. So went from sucide is a tragedy to sucide is a choice.
I think its definitely possible to justify euthanasia in certain cases, my only problem is giving the government that power to decide whose lives are or aren't worth continuing. I don't doubt initially it may start of for only people with seriously painful, debilitating or traumatic and un-curable diseases, however i think it is short sighted to not think that eventually the government would move the boundaries to allow 'euthanasia' on people who are just a burden on the welfare system, and risking that is a dangerous game to play when the cost will be lives that can never be given back.
@@christianthechristian8569 I’ve been depressed chronically since I was 4 I’m 25 now, every now and again I see Beauty in life but in truth that makes me want to jump off a cliff even quicker u guys enjoy life on a lv ppl like me will never fully grasp. And it fells hellish and or numbing on a near daily basses, but I’m supposed to keep going right? Because “other ppls fellings wold be hurt” if I weren’t around. Never mind those same ppl who don’t even realize the amount of pain a person can be in mentally
@@christianthechristian8569 So Humans have higher value over all other life?
None of us chose to be here. None of us should be forced to remain here.
Life is not obligatory, life should be valued. The moral ethic standpoint of euthanasia and letting someone else choose if ur eligible to die is disturbing, the fact that terminally ill patients are presured by their financial situation, their lack of dignity and self worth due to their illness plays a huge part on the influence whether or not they choose euthanasia, death shouldnt be the first option in mind because euthanasia is just a planned suicide and its ethically and morally wrong.
@@x-knight580 Do you have any proof that I any of us chose to be born? If we don't have the right to die, how is life not obligatory? What gives you the authority to force people to live in misery against their will?
@The_Black_Anarchist Nobody is forcing anyone to live, it's already super easy to die. It's about not making it appealing, not making it corporatized, and not making it a medical option, because the strongest of misery can also be temporary, and many times it is. There's no way to tell in the midst of a crisis whether someone can recover, and the last thing they need is people telling them they're of sound mind and should flex their free will when they're at their lowest. That type of mindset can be an info hazard to people who would have otherwise recovered if people had been resistant rather than supportive of death.
@x-knight580 that would make more sense if you weren’t talking about terminally ill patients who are already going to die
Solve this let anyone have the Right To Die. It bothers me that one adult thinks one should live for another. This make no sense. Suffering is suffering
Angela bolin if we didn't priorities the many over the few, then we wouldn't have wars, I mean why the fuck sacrifice war casualties for the sake of the entire population? Because it's only logical to sacrifice some lives for the greater good, thinking fulfilling as much of the obligation the government has to its people in the social contract as it can.
*prioritize
**thusly
You already have the right to refuse medical treatments and demand only palliative care. You have the right to demand effective pain management even though it may cause death. You already have a "right to die."
@@the135joker3 But to legalize euthanasia means that doctors and/or government authority would prioritize some lives as more worthy to live than others.
@@lauriej.3544 ///// It is the patient himself who judges his 'worth' to live.
It seems kind of pointless, to be honest. I mean, even if you save them, they aren't going to live forever. You're just extending their life/misery.
the government already knows this, they just want people to stay alive cuz they need rats for the race
earth is hell. brothers
@@BabushkaCookie2888 facts bro
Even if you save them they will resent you for it forever. Just know that.
Why is it such a hard fucking concept for people to allow others to make their own damn choices?
Because some of us don't want people to die.
Levi and AGAIN, your life is YOURS. It’s great if you are healthy, happy and living a good quality of life. But the CHOICE, is ultimately not YOURS to make, buttercup.
These shitheads want people to suffer to the very end, they are pro SUFFERING and NOT pro life.
@@levisando WHo are you too decide that ? And everyone dies anyway.
@@Slade69 Who am I? Just a random bloke. Why should any random bloke be allowed to decide someone gets to die?
Euthanasia is a human right, and should be globally legal. Forcing someone to live against their will is just as bad as any other crime.
Thank you, people just don't understand!!!!
Depression in 12 y o
Wow, Hitler would love you
What about how Canada is now pushing this on people with depression?
Wow, you really don't understand what euthanasia is do you?
Euthanasia isn't suicide. Euthanasia is state sponsored suicide like how Canada is encouraging people suffering from PTSD to commit suicide because it's more coast effective.
Question- if the state knew of and had a cure for cancer should they withhold it from people suffering from cancer if it would be more cost effective to the taxpayer?
Real question
the peace of death surpasses the agony of living with a dreadful and painful illness
Current medical pain management has now reached the point where there is no need for anyone with good medical care to die in agony. Many people who fear dying in great pain are remembering elders who died 20 or 30 years ago when pain management and medical protocols were not what they are today.
Apryl//// Death is the ultimate healer.
@@lauriej.3544 what are you talking about? Pain management is not yet perfect. Or are you talking about palliative sedation? Only that is only an option for a short while
The murder of those who didn't consent to euthanasia is more important than your desire for a comfortable death.
@@j-mshistorycorner6932 it's not euthanasia if there is no consent, then it's simply murder. If some country allows for "euthanasia" without consent (something I HIGHLY doubt) then that should not be called euthanasia because it is not, that is murder.
People's lives are so complicated that it's impossible to say with any degree of certainty that life is worth living for everyone. Notice how people only say life is a blessing when they're perfectly healthy with no physical/mental problems. For some people euthanasia is the solution but this video chooses to ignore it
That is not entirely true. I knew an elderly man who fought terminal cancer. Every time he was asked how he was doing his response was " I am blessed." He did not say that because that's what he thought everyone wanted to hear but because he truly believed that he is blessed. Sure everyday was a struggle because of the affects of the cancer. But he knew that his suffering was only temporal and that soon he would e going home to Jesus. The difference is that he was not leaning on his own understanding but rather his focus was on god above rather then his present circumstance. There are many other people who I also personally know who also faced the end of life in the same manner. At least these people did not run away from their problems. But instead they put their faith and trust in god that whatever the outcome of their circumstance be, that in the end they would be ok. And now they are in haven with Jesus. The fact is no matter what spin you try to put on Euthanasia it is no different then suicide which is not the answer.
@@robertstacey1700 where is god? Where is he to help humanity with all our suffering? If he cares, why is he letting people go trough hell on Earth everyday for thousands of years already?
There is a deeper problem. Euthanasia means too that you are either sick of people or that people can't help you anymore. Many take this as a personal insult and I guess this is one of the main reasons they reject it. "How, what my company is not good enough that you want to survive and stay with me?". But in the end it's a problem of authority too. The human species accepts it that the strong decide the fate of the weak, regardless of how they suffer. I think it's pure violence and dictatorship to enforce your opinion in this issues on others and denied them a peaceful death.
@@robertstacey1700 That man was delusional.
all people opposing euthanasia are full of bs
they are in the state of denial
they just decide for themselves that they will not see the reality
and the reality is they do take painkillers even for some minor pain but there can also be pain no painkiller works for
the reality is some people have no job, no home, no family, no friends and absolutely no means to make their situation better
most of all the agony people go through in hospitals and care facilities is real, lately I've seen what is going on in hospitals and I've met way too many doctors and nurses that I wish to in search for help for my mum, the bully-like attitude and the ignorance they were showing towards suffering patients, they were taking lightly even such things as dehydration and starvation, one doesn't have to possess higher education to know that one must drink and eat and if it is impossible must receive artificial hydration and nutrition, I recommend everyone a day in a hospital, just watch them to see with your own eyes the hell patients are given by those who supposed to be MDs and caregivers
there is no other satan than the human who thinks you should suffer
there is no other hell that this hell some people give to other people
"we can't just let anybody kill themselves after all!" This is where I fundamentally disagree. The whole rest of the video isn't even applicable if you're coming in with this huge preconceived notion.
Exactly! Well said.
@Michal Nazareth You're undermining how fucked up someone's life is to want to end it, that you're pawning their suicide off as selfish. Death is inevitable, so ending it early doesn't change that people will mourn, it just changes when they mourn.
Some people dont experience devastating loss until much later in their life, others experience it very early and in large quantities. Don't assume that because you've been sad a few times and haven't killed yourself, that means that everyone's experienced your same level of depression and simply couldn't soldier on.
People that have your opinion have had a very good life, so far, but that opinion will change. Hopefully, not so soon as your reply.
@Michal Nazareth So everyone who isn't successful with kids is disposable. People without kids are worthless? That's exactly what you're saying. And you wonder why people want to commit suicide.
@@johnnybananaseed8382 You just aren't looking at the wider implications of euthanasia. Yes the immediate effect sounds good, stop the suffering of the sufferers. But society shouldn't encourage people who are going through hard times, to kill themselves, and if you don't, youre a burden. Because regardless of society's semantics around it, you are going to feel like a burden on everyone around you if you choose to live, imagine feeling selfish because you don't wanna kill yourself.
@@Frank-jg4tq I can appreciate the sentiment of what you're trying to say but I think you're misconstruing how it would be advertised. For the countries it's legal in, it's not encouraged; it's simply an option for people to utilize, as they see fit. Obviously, I wouldn't want to see it as a late night infomercial or be able to go to a drive through and order it as a number 7.
There are safeguards in place to make sure that it's not an impulse decision and it certainly wouldn't have salesmen trying to move it. It's nothing more than a last resort option.
It’s clear what you’re trying to do when you pin a comment like that.
@@charleBerglund ///// He who?
Reason number 1: I don't want to be a test bunny nor fill hospital pockets. Id rather die and leave as much as possible to my family.
Reason number 2: It doesn't matter, its my choice. Disease or not, it should be my choice.
Reason number 3: So living is not a right but a civil obligation?
Exactly. His points were very good tbh
If its not your life you have no right to tell a person to not die
Don't judge another's choice for assisted suicide, until you walk in their shoes. I can understand why some people are so fed up with a chronic illness that causes excruciating pain, being stuck in a broken-down body, poor quality of life, that they want to leave their burdensome physical body behind, so they can be free. Everybody's life circumstances are different, so there is no one-size-fits-all solution. If the patient is lucid and thinking rationally, that is entirely their choice.
Imagine being so mentally weak that you need this
@@Coolmaster-kj4sr Try being trapped in a body that is severely handicapped or chronic, unremitting pain for which there is no cure. Then you can talk about being "mentally weak".
@@Coolmaster-kj4srlet’s see how you fare in old age. Watch your keyboard buddy..
Did u hear about the man in an iron lung?
@@Coolmaster-kj4srimagine being so tired of being mentally strong that you think you need to leave just to be at peace!
If you are against euthanasia, then I suggest two things:
1- Don’t do it
2- Don’t give advice to those that want it
If you are against people taking a stand against slavery, then I suggest two things:
1 - Don't do it
2 - Don't give advice to those who want to do it
Do you see how this approach to ethics is untenable?
@@BrianHoldsworth
Not at all. I’m not ‘against’ people who are against euthanasia. I’m against those who try to make laws that limit the actions of other people when said actions do not harm others. This goes for abortions, too. So I’m not so much ‘for’ legalizing euthanasia’ as I am eliminating laws that limit individual freedom.
Same thing I would say about vegans
@black fang
No because that's not valid you're forcing your political views on another person who is financially suffering will we must lie they did not give consent to lose their assets/properties in this state and you're being abusive.
@@BrianHoldsworth If animals can be mercifully put to sleep, why can't humans? In fact, I think people who want euthanasia should be organ donors. Let them know they will save lives before going to sleep. Euthanasia should be legalized. I have a chronic illness that doctors misdiagnosed big time. Now they're all covering for each other. Why don't you get a bad illness and see that you have no future, then redo this video promoting euthanasia. I plan on going to Dignitas to get myself put to sleep. Your video is dumb. The only person that should decide whether they want to live or die is that person.
You just don't want it because you'll see that alot of people don't actually want to be here.
100% truth, the Government would lose a lot people aka "cattle" which would result in less tax, less money and eventual collapse of the system. This fool cannot see this because his too busy drinking that religious kool-aid.
You know what ? I think that is their greatest fear. Every one they have near them and their controlling persona would want to make that choice and they don't want to fess up that they treat people badly on purpose.
The right to die is a right of bodily autonomy. And should be allowed for everyone with no reasons or conditions.
@marty mcfly Even if you have a debt to repay that does not make you the "property" of your debtor. The times of slaver are over.
@marty mcfly 10 years? You gotta be kidding me... right to euthanasia should be immediate upon request, period! I would only agree to debt payment and having small children, but only in case it's not a terminal disease causing excruciating pain to a person... the sufferer won't be capable of earning money anyway. The debtor will have to suck it up.
Woah, even small children?
The real reason is that a large part of the male population would use it, and that would be too many slaves lost in the eyes of goverment and companies.
Your third eye is wide open bro
Truth
YES
FACTS
Indoeuropans cant have third eyes
I have to disagree with you. We should have the right to die when we feel like it. Yes its a tad gloomy but many things are that way. People are gonna commit suicide regardless. I rather have them die with dignity
Love Me Please!!! Exactly
@Frederick Röders //// Mr. Slippery Slope. What if you are wrong? What if it stays as it is designed? This is not 'Soilent Green'.
k0smon you trust the government with your life?
@@1323GamerTV //// Only if forced to.
How can you prove that ALL of us have the right to die?
You’d lose in court with these arguments.
Because courts are not about justice and truth anymore.
@@JanKowalski-pe9lo
No, because courts don't assess spectral evidence.
@@LittleTed1000 What spectral thing is?
@@JanKowalski-pe9lo Magic.
@@LittleTed1000 Not sure what's you talking about but ok... keep it real.
My dad had agressive brain cancer and literally went insane having constant migranes. I wish doctors pulled the plug
murderer
I'm so sorry... My Mum died of pancreatic cancer, in the end she wasn't even a person anymore... Just a panicked mess of vomited blood...
I can barely describe how fucking horrific it was
I read these comments, but I also read comments from people who had hospice and whose loved ones had a good death from these same illnesses which was a natural death.
I believe we should give everyone a good death, just without killing them.
@@FronteirWolf Well even though my Mum was absolutely pumped full of painkillers as she died from pancreatic cancer her death was anything but "good".
My last memories of the strongest person I know are of her vomiting blood, panicking are repeating "help help help help help" over and over.
Some people just have no idea of that level of despair and suffering; it's difficult to fathom until you've seen it with your own eyes.
@@maxmillman9477 That is a really bad situation, I am sorry you went through that. I can understand why you and many others hold the position you do on this particular issue.
I'm sure it is impossible to fathom the despair and suffering until you have seen it first hand.
Why is it cruel to euthanise humans, but not animals in pain? If someone is in pain, and there is no helping them, they should have the right to call it quits. If there is no longer a quality of life, keeping them alive as they suffer is torture.
I literally have no idea how respecting ones right to die alongside the right to live contradicts an egalitarian society in any way?
If life is a right then dying by will should be an option, otherwise life is not a right but a obligatory thing thats imposed on us since the day we are born. And since we are able to offer humane death, but choose not to, that means our life is literally being controlled by the system that refuses to let us use this option that would be available if they didnt inhibit us from using it. If we didnt have the option to offer humane ends then it would be a different question.
It's more like a chicken farm where you have to lay eggs until you break. Like the chicken you have no right to end your suffering.
society wants these people to die anyway.. they keep getting fired from their jobs and pushed out by people who hate them for no reason.. they want us homeless and they make us homeless.. they want us to suffer and die miserably.. they all admit it when they talk to each other behind your back..
good point
murderer
Non-sequitur. How does life being a right make dying by will an option?
Isn't it ironic? If you have a dog or cat that is living in pain and suffering than you are a bad owner and a selfish person for not putting it down and forcing it to continue living a horrible life. However, if you are a person who is living in pain and suffering, unable to enjoy life you are a bad person and selfish for wanting to end your own suffering via suicide?
There's a difference... because you own the animal, but not the person.
@@levisando A person doesn't own themselves?
@@hawawah8671 We're talking about euthanasia... the ending of another's life at their request is different then ending one's own life.
@@levisando The ending of your own life should have even less debate than the ending of another life without their direct consent. So why is it okay to deny other people the right to end their own suffering but at the same time refusing to end the suffering of animals without their direct consent is considered animal abuse?
@@hawawah8671 Since when is that considered animal abuse? (Vegans notwithstanding)
It's no one else's business what someone decides is best for them
OK, then why insist that a public institution has to endorse a decision? That is precisely what it means to make it other people's business.
agreed. Anything else is a slippery slope
@@BrianHoldsworth So you think people in that situation should be forced to do something messy and violent towards themselves, alone, with all the risks entailed by a botched attempt, when it could be handled medically and in the comfortable presence of others? Your thinking is sinister.
It’s odd as we don’t give it much thought when it comes to our animals. We want to help end their suffering and we do. Yes it’s more complicated, but why is it so difficult to fathom such compassion for each other?
Nobody who doesn't live with terrible mental or physical illness should be trying to control the lives of those who do.
In fact, nobody should try to control the lives of others. This is why rape, assault and murder are all illegal- someone's will is imposed on another, in turn causing harm.
The audacity of trying to control others is astonishing and inhumane, and the arrogance of thinking that one knows better about another's decision regarding their own suffering is atrocious and deplorable.
We live in a society based on free will, it is a cornerstone of function. Why then do we simply cast this to the wind when suicide is concerned?
The problem with the current paradigm is that people's right to take their own lives is encroached upon via restriction: those with mental health issues have relatively humane methods of suicide removed- firearms, drugs, etc.
This creates a more dangerous society, and forces desperate people to take drastic action: suicide by cop, suicide by train or by jumping in front of a car, etc, which then creates more suffering where it needn't exist.
If you're going to restrict access to lethal means, then you'd better have the tools to solve that person's problems, bearing in mind that therapy, both traditional and pharmacological, isn't a panacea.
Moreover, the current paradigm creates situations in which people don't seek "help" due to fear of losing their rights; people with firearms simply shoot themselves without warning, because they know that if they seek help they'll likely have their right to possess said weapons removed and be forced to end their lives in more excruciating, lengthy ways.
Wasting opportunities to alleviate unnecessary suffering, in the name of supposed "morality", is un utterly ludicrous notion.
Forcing a suicidee's loved ones to bear witness to the fact that their final moments were spent in agony unnecessarily isn't helping anyone.
Forcing suffering people into desperate, degrading positions- hospitalisation, painful, botched attempts etc. is not heroic, it's brownosing of the worst kind.
People need to remember that they aren't Gods, and they therefore have no right meddling in the affairs of the bereaved.
Stay in your lane, don't increase the misery of others (many of whon have faced horrors you can only imagine) whilst foolishly thinking you're helping. Karma might just see you suffer as a result, then you may just face the same horrible cycle your arrogance has created in the lives of others.
It's their life, not their parent's, not their friends or relatives, not yours. Theirs. When enough is enough, don't make them die in pain for your own ego.
It’s not making them die in pain for our own ego it’s because we believe assisted suicide is unethical.
What's your take on religion? All religions seem to consider suicide as sin.
Thank you Max. You are so wise. For example me...I cannot use a hospital due to multiple chemical sensitivities and can barely leave my home... I would like to see this guy live my life for one day without thinking of suicide. And sadly...I am afraid he is too young to know... Not to mention I have no family living nearby and my friends also don't live nearby to help.
@@slowmusic60 it's not suicide if someone else is doing it for u 😁
@@TheAmericanCatholic I'm not talking about assisted suicide, I'm talking about restricting access to lethal means.
It's one thing to help someone die, it's another to prevent them from doing it themselves in a relatively humane way, such as via shotgun.
You mentioned “we can’t just let people kill themselves afterall” my question is why not? It’s their body and their decision.
Why should you decide if someone lives? Who has granted you authority to make that decision?
He doesn't, nor the person wich the body belongs to. Suicide is a disrespect for human life and for the amazing work God did when He created us. Even if you don't believe in God, it is morally wrong anyways and it's a cowards move (talking about depression and all), it's a cowards move because it's easier to kill yourself then value your life.
@@duceofwellington4755 if you had a child or family member that had an accident and was quadriplegic and they indicated clearly to you that they were in pain and suffering and wanted to end their life, you would keep them alive and suffer?
@@Zen_Power i actually did, my aunt had cancer for like 5 years, and she was in a lot of pain but she didn't want to kill herself, she would go to heaven whenever God wanted and everyone who fights for their life until the end (and had a good life) has a place in heaven assured.
Sure my aunt didn't want to end her life since she believed God is the only one who can decide to take someone's life or not. What most people miss on this types of things is God. My family also suffered with this, it wasn't easy to watch someone we love suffer but at the same time we knew that the only thing wich kept her going was her will to live and God. When she died we were happy she could finally live peacefully for eternity, wich if she would have suicide wouldn't happen.
@@duceofwellington4755 sorry to hear about your Aunty. Health issues are particularly difficult to deal with in life.
@@Zen_Power thank you. Well anyways i wish a merry Christmas!
The solution is obviously to allow anybody who wants it, to have it. Walk into your hospital, fill out forms, do the waiting period(if not terminal) of 3 months to a year, and then come back, and if you still want it, it is your right.
DN//// Have you ever seen the movie "Soilent Green"?
We don't get a choice about coming into the world. We should at least have some choice about when to leave it.
I agree, exept psyckiatric reasons on miniors.
Hell yeah🙃
Disagree, there should be no age restrictions or waiting periods. When you want to die, you should be allowed to die. It is a personal decision.
My life my right to die. You should have literally zero say in this. If you won’t legalize it then I find my own ways.
go to Church or get psychiatric Help!
If you won't legalize it, then I find my own ways... and taking as many opposers as possible with me.
@@epic-zc3oo lmao how the fuck are either of these a solution
@@epic-zc3oo God is pro death
@@Crazy_Rich_Asian It pays not to fuck with desperate people!
If they refuse to stay in their lane in regards to your right to die, you might refuse to stay in your lane in regards to their right to live. That's more than fair.
If they survive, they might just live to understand your predicament when they howl in pain and beg for release, only to be told "you're not terminally ill; you're on your own".
How ironic would that be?
My body my choice; my life my choice.
It's not your choice at all. Legalized euthanasia, if ever widespread...would be the greatest trick ever pulled into tricking people into population control at the benefit of massive cooperations
@@veemon9280prove it
I love being alive and I love my family I will not pressure anyone to commit suicide but if the pain becomes too much and they choose to commit suicide who am I to tell them not to and who are you to tell me not to
I just had a friend die from assisted suicide. He had Lou Gerig's Disease. He went from being a strong man, he loved camping and being outdoors to a man who couldn't move a muscle. He body was completely paralyzed, he cld only move his eyes : ( On his birthday he had a big party with his family, then took a lethal dose and passed peacefully at home.
I have always been for euthanasia. The arguments against it I have heard so far are always religiously charged, which never convinced me. This is definitely thought provoking. 👍
Would you say you believe in moral relativism? ☺?
Appeal to percieved Sanctity will always be a piss poor argument in general and anti-euthanasia arguments, among other things, proves my statement.
@@faithwisdom3613
Moral Relativism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obsolete, Harmful "Morals" developed by unhinged desert nomads and goat herders.
@@faithwisdom3613 I know you didn't ask me but I don't really believe in it
I need it now.... I thought a out a tall building last night
Everyone has the right to end the life with dignity. This a HUMAN right . I should choose when to die.
Read the Remmelink Report.
No discussion
The Illustrious One i-
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You have no right to require someone else to kill you.
The biggest argument against euthanasia comes from a 2000 year old book without any supporting evidence.
The biggest argument for euthanasia is that you need to ask the government for permission/sovereignty over your body instead of God. Why, even if you believe God doesn't exist, would you need to ask the government for that permission?
You don't, and shouldn't. It's all a ruse, to get people with untreatable conditions that would burden the socialized medical system, and incapable people burdened by mental illness who don't pay a ton in taxes to get rid of themselves.
Literally only the government and the systems it's in bed with benefit from euthanasia. Killing people is bad and getting other people to kill themselves, regardless of any nuance, is bad.
I think the main issue is the fact that you need to appeal your right to die. I agree on having a 90 day time period to give the person some time to think it over if they choose to change their mind. But I believe everyone has the right to a pain free death as it is available. I'm sure my opinion is not popular but so be it. Life is not for everyone, some people just want out. (Maybe having an age restriction of like 18+ would make it more acceptable I suppose)
fuck age restrictions anyone should have the right to choose, you can’t regret it if you’re dead!
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE Dear the point is the person should be able to understand what death is. Most children don't understand such ultimate things but if a child is intelligent enough then surely yes for them too.
I also agree it should be available to those who just don't want to live. Some of us aren't meant to be here.
I don’t agree with age restrictions or waiting periods in this case, if life offers you no value and you’re suffering mentally and physically, you should have the right to die.
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE Any proof for your claims?
You have used several logical fallacies, you have subjectively presented points of view that boost your position and you are clearly biased, you even changed the definitions of certain words. I am very sorry to say that you seem unable to argue this point.
Wow, you are so very specific in your arguments, and definitely aren't arguing from emotion at all!! Very persuasive.
No one ever asked to be born.
"Lets look at this objectively without bias" *titles the video "why legalizing euthanasia and assisted suicide is a bad idea"*
It was bias as hell though just to admit. I think you're saying shit without knowing what the word means.
Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing about how biased he is, but looking at something objectively isn't the same as coming to a neutral conclusion. It just means you look at the facts without the lense of your own experiences. If the facts point to one side or the other, it doesn't make the process any less objective.
I have decades wanting to die. Let me go please!
I understand where you are trying to go with this and I sympathize with your close perspective with ALS, but this is not about doctors 'allowing' suicide. It isn't about people being forced to carry out their lives for the sake of being a guinea pig for the study of better medications, and it also has nothing to do with politicians or money or funding or taxes. This is about choice. If tomorrow I decide to die with dignity instead of suffering to the horrible and bitter end because I have a meningioma in my brain, it does not affect you at all. Everyone is going to die. If someone makes the conscious decision to die on their terms, to have that choice, is a wonderful thing.
Very well put.
Well said. 👍
it's not a slippery slope if there is consent. people who wanna live can live, people who wanna die can do so without being blown to bits. nobody is forced to do anything. sounds like an absolute win.
Voilá!
murderer
So many fallacies... so little fucks to give.
You keep saying that the government will chose whether you live or die when that’s not how it works, you decide that and a doctor will allow you to do that if they think you have a good reason to want to.
I just wanna die🙃why force people to live when it never gets better.
W.G Phil why do you get to die when I had to live through it when I was suffering horribly. Things are a million times better now, but the end never seems near in the middle of a crisis. So in legalizing euthanasia do we sacrifice our resilience?
I agree, I don't understand forcing someone to live. I think it should be our choice how and when.
@@adrianamunguia9887 Frankly speaking its utter bullshit. It worked fine for you but for thousand others it did not. I knew a boy who tried to commit suicide with rope... well he ended up as vegetable for a few years.
torar that’s the risk you take when you try to kill yourself, sadly. That’s the reality of it. I agree we should be able to in some circumstances, and in a perfect world no one would take advantage of this, but I see his point in giving up our resilience, and eventually insurance companies using it as an option to save money, old people being manipulated by their drug addict children. All these things should be taken into consideration, not just guy you know who tried to kill himself, and failed miserably. So many of us have just wanted to die, felt hopeless, and thought ourselves to be better off dead, but later have found a purpose for living. Would we be taking that away from people? A chance, if they can just hold on, get counseling, avoid the toxic people in there lives, move, or whatever might eventually help them. When they realize they are not the problem that needs to be taken out of the equation?
anonymous anonymous how to they know if it will ever get better if they die?
My mom was sexually abused in her childhood. She still has nightmares after 20 years and hearing her describe it was like a pain worst than death. She's powered through it but some people can't function. Not saying that everyone should rush to kill themselves, but in the case of certain abuses and mental illnesses.... I get it. The trauma never goes away.
You're right. I was sexually abused in my childhood as well. I have BPD BP1 PTSD major depression substance use disorder and a few health problems. They are all so pervasive and painful. It never ends and I can't catch a break. Negatively effecting every aspect of my life every second of every minute of every hour of every day. I take medicine, I'm in therapy, I have been since I was a child.
I attempted suicide before and the memory of being unconscious was the most tranquil and peaceful place I'd ever been.
The void is nothing to be scared of. It is home.
Has she tried EMDR?
This therapy can be borderline miraculous in helping patients with trauma.
I also high recommend "The Body Keeps the Score" - Bessel Van Der Kolk
@@sierragoin863Then why were you still here commenting?
The sermon started with patronising: this is how you should feel! I, as a healthy 38 yo person do wish to die out of my rational reasoning over 3+ years. Prematurely dying? I was birthed against my will at first place. The bureaucracy is there because people are ignorant, and hence afraid. Everybody celebrates birth, everybody mourns death - a huge generalisation.
Exactly. I was birthed without my permission. I've the right to die irrespective of any suffering
I'm not sure I understand how can this gentleman say "nobody should have the right to decide who lives and who dies" and then argue against someone's freedom to decide to live or die. How can you be in favor of a third party deciding on whether someone MUST continue to live after the initial statement.
Government should get out of the business of saving those who do not want to be saved. If society is going to make doctors the gatekeepers of death and the doctor says no to a persons choice. Then that person may select a method of termination by drugs and alcohol.
Political Predictions Ok but they took away the peaceful methods of suicide from us. Leaving us to kill ourselves in a violent manner and possibly scarring whoever finds the dead body.
@@electionsuk Most people don't have the guts it takes to kill themselves, self preservation mechanisms are ingrained into our psyche, which are pretty fucking pointless seeing as how we all die in the end anyway. I've been wanting to die for a three years now, but every time I try, I can't stop thinking about how I might just end up disabeling myself instead of dying.
@@electionsuk People forget that they already have to right to refuse any treatment and to demand only palliative care if they wish. And doctors will usually acquiesce to the need for pain medication even if it is known that will lead to death; doctors have already done this for many decades.
Jack It’s a “My body, my choice” kind of thing. Shouldn’t regulate what an individual wants to do with its body.
@@lauriej.3544 So what? There is still need for euthanasia for people who physically suffer. For example last stadium of many kinds of cancer is pretty painful. Why should we keep someones life when we already know he is going to die? If he wants to die then give him the option to control his own death.
To put this simply... We should have the right to choose to live or not.
"We should have the right to choose to kill or not" your kind only think about "ME", the illness of our time.
Rebuttals:
1. It's unjust force people to live longer than they want even if that would result in funding research or innovation. Let's say that 50% percent of people like whole milk and 50% like nonfat milk. Meanwhile, there's a company MilkTech that is researching techniques to make nonfat milk taste more like whole. If more people bought nonfat, it would be easier for MilkTech to obtain funding. Should we force some of those whole milk drinkers to have skim instead to spur research? Clearly not.
2. There's an easy fix for this, which is remove the bureaucracy entirely. But if that's too radical for you, just think of it this way: the reality is that some people's lives are better than others, and even to the point that some individuals' lives are not worth living. Should we deny this fact to make people feel better? That seems to be your conclusion if you believe we shouldn't think of people's lives' worths in this way.
3. Perhaps the easiest rebuttal. Partial legalization (as in having to appeal to a bureaucracy in order to kill yourself) is better than blanket banning. At least there's some freedom available to the individual instead of none.
Here's the problem. It's not about "us" or "we." It's about the individual who wants the option. It's their private medical decision. Beyond certain basic rules, the public doesn't have the right to force people in these situations to stay alive.
its not the right to die or to deny treatment. its the right to not suffer
We have a thing going on here in the Netherlands what I call 'assisted suicide inequality.'
Assisted suicide is only allowed if a team decides for you that you 'suffer enough' and thus are qualified to have your life ended.
I mean come on: why so complicated? It's not fair to allow some to die and others not when they want it. Where's the equality?
Great, I'm working on my undergraduate thesis about Euthanasia and the Right for a Dignified Death, your video has given me more arguments to counter.
Nobody, outside of a child/parent relationship, has a right to someone else's ability to provide a service to them - especially one that they find ethically objectionable. Therefore, nobody has a right to force someone else to kill them. Further, calling it a dignified death is begging the question. You have to establish what dignity means according to criteria that is universally accepted (or you're just vandalizing words to fit your idiosyncratic philosophy). Then you have to demonstrate that having someone kill you prematurely aligns with that, objective, definition of dignity. And it can't be an appeal to subjective preference or emotion because this is a question of law and, therefore, public interest. It must be based on something we all share and is mediated between us. Subjective ethics are not shared between us... only objective truth (or the natural law) can be described in this way.
@@BrianHoldsworth Dignity as in the Dignity of Human Beings, a cornerstone of ILHR (and the Brazilian Constitution, under which I am set), thus, my criteria is quite universally, or should I say internationally, accepted.
I don't know your channel, I was just searching for some ideas for my thesis, so I don't know if you're familiar with Law studies, but, if you are, you should know that it is much more than just public interest.
I'll be using a Kantian approach applied to bioethics (my field of interest), which sounds counterintuitive seeing as Kant was against suicide, but despite that, his own exceptions for the latter can be analogically extended in favour of euthanasia.
While I agree that subjective ethics isn't shared, one's own medical and mental condition is factual and diagnosable, and one's chosen course of action should be guided by one's will, denying this person from this right would contradict your "egalitarianism" argument, sic, "nobody should have the authority to decide who should live and who should die", because, if that held true, one would be able to choose to freely die under the appropriate conditions, which, in and of themselves, are not a violation to "egalitarianism", just as the conditions set to get, say, a driver's license aren't.
I'm not vandalizing words, I'm putting together a rational, science-based, thesis, because that's what Law should be, rational.
PS: This comment may have some grammar mistakes, English is not my mother tongue, but it should be perfectly understandable.
nobody asked for your permission if you wanted to live or to be born on this earth, thats more selfish to me than deciding if you wanted to die with your full consent and permission. we dont know what life is when we are not alive yet then dont be afraid to die just because you dont know how it feels.
Your arguments are beyond being stupid. Grow up kid
I appreciate your video, i think you make some sound points. One thing i would like to mention however is that the whole idea behind medically assisted suicide is the belief in a positive right to death. You are correct in saying that a patient can refuse treatment, but without the proper drugs, the remainder of that individuals life may be considerably worse, effectively leaving someone to the wolves. It feels cruel to tell someone "no, even though you have made your decision, we will not help ease your suffering in the way you have chosen, do it yourself"
murderer
@@short-hand4312 🤣
Denying terminally ill people who wish to pass away in a positive way a dignified death is a bad idea. Actually, thats the worst idea anyone can have. We live in more educated times now than we did thousands of years ago when your views were born.
"Hey did you know that everyone who lived in ye olden days was stoooopid and couldn't do anything but bang rocks together? And I am very smart. Because I live now."
Lol yeah I can tell how very educated you are
4:00 is not about been "useful or vital to us". It about eliminating unpurposeful suffering on the patient, when there is no other practical way to do so.
They're qaking questions to determine whether the person requesting suicide meets the criteria or not. These criteria are usually around level of suffering and whether there's a chance they could be cured. They also check to confirm the person is not being coerced. The criteria all depend on the rules put in place by the jurisdiction you're in.
Nowhere has euthanasia been legalised with any criteria about how useful someone is to society. It's always about the requesters pain and prognosis.
It's easy to make an emotive argument when you don't stick to the facts.
helping me with that English Debate study grind
same
@@ligitlime9726 hell yeah
NotASmurf me too but law🤣🤣
Lol doing a debate rn
Same
Imagine being forced to live against your will.
If someone wants to die, it should be NO ONE else's debate but their own. Period. Sick or healthy. When someone is ready to go, they should be able to make that decision solely.
tldw version: "Guys forget everything you heard and let's see it objectively by letting me pour one-sided propaganda into yout heads. Thx for watching."
If a person believes their suffering is intolerable, they will try to find a way to commit unassisted suicide. Legalizing euthanasia will simply help lift the stigma off such a decision. The only real problem that I see with euthanasia is the doctor's emotional pressure - a person that dedicated themselves to saving lives has to end one. I believe it would be more moral if the "final cut" was made by, say, a machine that could be only set into motion by the patient themselves.
Or, you know, we could help people not feel like they need to kill themselves.
@@levisando that condescending tone will definitely not help with that.
@@anpalang2899 I save that tone for the UA-cam comments
Its gonna bring more stigma though, just imagine being poor and your euthanasia costing less than your preferred treatment.
Sooo this video basically promotes suffering. 👎
I'm suffering. I can't die because of people like you. You take full responsibility for my sufferring
Bro fr, these people are scum.
@@AndrewTheAntinatalistthey keep saying it’s a cowards way out and that it’s selfish. But in reality it’s our life not there’s. They have a good life so they won’t understand from our point of view.
The privilege of social welfare should go hand in hand with the availability of opting out.
Jaime Escalante Good point
Sooo, do U think #Trump should #buildawall? 🚧🚧🚧
Nope.
@@howardstern9129 No, it isn't.
so i can choose when to brush my teeth, what to eat, what my hobbies are, what films to watch and make potentially serious decisions like when to put a pet down etc.. but im not 'allowed' to choose how/when i die.
Society didnt give birth to me therefore i dont have to request permission from it.
For every 1 person who wants assisted suicide, there is probably 100 newborns that died during child birth. abortions etc...
The very notion that someone should continue to suffer and/or have poor quality of life just because YOU who doesnt have any current health problems is both selfish and cruel.
Practice a little empathy.
we can't decide to born or not but atleast we can decide when die. Legalize this will be good.
What do you mean? You need the governments permission to brush your teeth? Or to be born? What are they gonna do, arrest your corpse if you self delete? Perhaps you should consider that MAYBE, just maybe, the government and healthcare systems are making you presume you need their permission for their own gain? If that's possible, why on earth would you support this?
@@xravenx24festop rehashing the same crap, it’s complete drivel at this point…
just let the government decriminalize all the euthanzia drugs, Then specialized doctors, or any doctor, can presscribe them. @@xravenx24fe
Funny how unti-euthanasia arguments are all made by healthy people. I couldn’t decide not to be born, but it’s my right to have that eternal peaceful rest. Wish you a chance to truly experience it and then reconsider your points :).
Ummmm I'm not healthy. I have been diagnosed with severe depression, anxiety and PTSD disorder. I had to quite my job, and the numbers of abusive marks on my own skin made during panic attacks are a testament to how hard this road has been for me. Not to mention, surviving many suicide attempts, which I am thoroughly grateful for. I've had my life saved too many times to count, and I've come far since then.
I know depression will pass. Or, are you saying that if I have a real hard day, I should just give into the depression and suicidal thoughts?
No, thats why its a battle every single day. Your brain is sick. Just like if you broke an arm, had a cast and couldn't write or type for a bit. Is it worth it to remove the cast to relieve the itch, or do you wait it out so you can ACTUALLY HEAL?
Suicidal thoughts are symptoms of the disease. See how it gets muddy here, and its not easy to make sweeping generalizations of people?
I see the "opt out" option and enabling the disease by making it "okay" to give up. And its a slap in the face for those still fighting even as some of their favorite celebrities give into the illness.
An old lady in Belgium with two daughters requested to be euthenised. Shes depressed after she lost one daughter. The other daughter, has no idea her mother is doing this. And I have a feeling as the old lady doesn't want to tell her, that she won't know until her mom is gone. She didn't need to seek therapy, she tried anti depressants on and off for "a few weeks" and gave up.
Grief is normal. Pain is shitty but literally every human being on the planet faces it in WAY WORSE WAYS than we do. And they push through. Euthanasia is definitely an option for those in such severe pain they cannot hope to live a life of some sort of semblance of normality. But just opening up the gate and making it normal has dire consequences. Suicide is already the leading cause of death worldwide. Or are we going to pretend to be okay with that too?
I think you should reconsider your points.
CatFaceFaces CatFaceFaces Mental illnesses and physical illness are two very different things. Some people suffer from both types of these conditions and multiple conditions. I don’t think you should speak on another persons physical pain and suffering, after all you are not in their shoes. Yeah you state you are going through emotional trauma and struggles but do you know what it feels like to deal with chronic pain and physical disability on top of that? Like you said there are people who have it way worse. So by you admitting that someone has it worse than you means you couldn’t even begin to imagine their pain. So who are you to decide if they should endure such a low quality of life just so that they don’t risk “giving up”. Some people don’t see the point or are totally incapable of struggling to work/keep a job in order to afford treatments when there are no cures for their conditions. Anyways all your arguments are based off of emotion and are therefore not rational...
That's identity politics. His argumemt isn't any less valid because he's healthy.
@@oOKitty86Oo You fought through all of that because you wanted to. People that don't feel like going through this screwed up world should have the option to take their own life. Suicide should be a basic human right, that anybody should have access regardless of who they are and what they're going through.
Okay, then you would be willing to listen to Joni Erickson Tada's arguments against euthanasia then since she is quadriplegic?
*BAD IDEA!?* I want it now
This is a good video because even as someone who believes in the legalization of assisted suicide and euthanasia, I can still watch this video and understand where you are coming from. You are very respectful and make good points. I still fundamentally believe in the right to assisted suicide but this was a great perspective to look at!
Yeah, I have a similar position to you, and even though a lot of his other videos seem very biased, this one is actually really good.
Good points, I see where you are coming from. Groups whose efforts are to not allow people to end their suffering are as controlling as the bureaucracies.
Euthanasia is only humane. A painless end to those who desire for it. Let people be free from their own burdens if they wish to... after all, only the individual knows how heavy their burdens are.
Crab-mentality-preventors be like "I don't escape this life, so you must not either".
It’s like someone offering an empty cardboard of hamburger box to a straving person, saying “I give up! You’re on your own. It’s your fault if you won’t eat the damn hamburger (box)!”
The Suicide Prevention Resource Center promotes that, the costs of suicidal behaviors-and the savings that can result from preventing these behaviors-can help convince policymakers and other stakeholders that suicide prevention is an investment that will save dollars as well as lives.
However, what is being done to prevent suicide is not working and the amount spent each year is staggering. According to a recent analysis, 'mental health spending rose to $225 billion in 2019-an increase of 52% in the past decade.'
My brother recently passed with a friend being his medical power of attorney . He expressed his will to live on many occasions even in the ambulance to the hospital . It was the most devastating thing I have ever heard of . He had no idea this was a possibility . He fought to live and could have . So be careful who you give control of your life to. His last words were ' I want to live ,please don't let me die ' .
His friend should be charged.
Why did his friend fail to respect his wishes?
I'm a few minutes in and I think this is already riddled in silly pesuppositions. Suicide is an incredibly uncomfortable experience in itself, and, if given the chance, most people would prefer to live comfortably. That's the whole point. So, there's no need to worry about it becoming trendy or turning into an industry killing quick fix solution. That's ridiculous. Sure, suicide may disproportionately affect marginalized groups, but it's less a problem of suicide legalization than it is improving the quality of life for eveyone.Then, there's your mention of people that "shouldn't be allowed" to kill themselves. This is so painfully arbitrary. People have a will over their own bodies regardless of anyone's judgement. The criteria people often give against letting the average person die is, in all cases, trivial and nonsensical at times. How would you even go about measuring suffering, for instance? If someone wants to end themselves, let them. Involuntarily imposing on someone will is immoral no matter what. It's kind of like the argument surrounding abortion. Even if we grant that whatever is in the womb is a person, that person still doesn't have the right to use his mother's body with her consent. It's so plain to see.
You were your parents worst idea
how about you pay this man some respect like your dad payed your mom for a good time.
When people say you may be pressured to commit suicide you have bad friends and family you've lived a bad life or have bad friends they don't want you to die
I actually think because family know what is going to happen they have a better chance to influence it in a positive way, than in normal suicide.
So, I've reached the end of your video and I've listened to the points you make, which are extremely important. It is true that legalizing euthanasia might lead to forms of discrimination, which we must actively work to prevent. However, I am staunchingly in favour of both "active euthanasia" (lethal injection/MAiD/assisted suicide) and "passive euthanasia", which should be (and for the most part is) a basic right, but it is still frequently called into question (for context, I live in Italy and there are people who oppose "pulling the plug" even if that is the patient's wish).
Euthanasia should always be strictly regulated by certain criteria, in my opinion: autonomy (= the decision has to come from the patient, not from anyone else trying to coerce them; this might mean mandatory counseling at the hospital about palliative care), complete clinical transparency from the doctors involved, ethical counseling if one so wishes, maturity (one has to be of lawful age to decide - euthanasia for sick kids should be regulated with even stricter rules). Finally, the patient should be of sound mind and capable of rational judgment.
The guidelines shouldn't be framed as "oh, since you're sick, you're disposable". Just as we give special aid to certain parts of the population (economic, social, etc. facilitations given by the government) and they are not given to other people who might want them since they do not need them, the same should be said for physician assisted suicide. It should merely be an option, if the person volountarily chooses it, to alleviate their extreme pain. It shouldn't be something common, but something that is there as a last resort and a form of mercy.
By making it only possible to people who can consent discriminates against people who can’t legally consent like children, mentally challenged or any illness that could cause the patient not to be in the right state of mind or physically able to consent.
It’s a very murky subject for me I’m really not undecided on the subject, just pointing out the potential flaws of your reasoning.
Don’t forgot the issue of legal guardianship. Guardians have a lot of power over patients medical decisions. They should be banned from making euthanasia decisions for someone else. Also euthanasia done by a medical professional is in my mind murder and should not be legal in this country.
it's a good idea. I never asked to be born. I have the right, to do what I want to do
I think the biggest thing is that you can't tell another person that they have to live their life it's not yours to choose
Sorry you are wrong and everything in this video is wrong.
Assistant suicide should be legal… people with your mind set need to change it
Sorry, you are wrong and everything in this comment is wrong. Assistant (sic) suicide should be illegal... people with your mind set need to change it.
See how unproductive a reply that is?
@@danielsmith4715-d2k You're the reason why Amercia is such a shit country.
Compassion to our friends in suffering. It's quite idiot anyone say that there's a god looking us. Superstition is worst plague
What do you mean
Here in the uk they just do it off the record-give the person a bit too much morphine or that was what they did when my mum worked in a hospital 20 years ago if they were terminally ill and in unbearable pain
Let's see what you will think when someday you get into an accident that makes you unable to perform basic human tasks like (Sleeping, talking or simply using parts your body)
Or having seizures and not remembering people or not trusting people as a daily life course.
The joke will be on him, fucking hypocrite.
Not sleeping adequately for long periods is torture- I can personally attest to this.
It gets to a terrifying point where one can't understand basic sentences, and forgets all manner of things.
Thoughts are reduced to nauseating, sometimes nonsensical loops.
The fatigue and anxiety are horrendous.
It's inhumane and unnecessary to leave a person in this state against their will.
And for what good? One can barely produce anything of worth in this state, and suffer for the privilege.
It's a lose-lose situation.
So you are arguing that only people who have profoundly suffered in certain ways are allowed to oppose it?
Yea.. Let's let 'em suffer!! And in the meantime, we can make some money from their situation by selling them misery prolonging medications, pain killers, latest cutting-edge therapies.. So yea.
My grandmother begged to breathe for years. My mom was dependent on enteral feeding because she couldn't swallow. And I started showing symptoms of Huntington's disease last year, and I'm only 19. I'll end up in bed & die like them in a few years.
I just want to die peacefully, without losing all of my muscle control & becoming a conscious vegetable in extreme pain. Is that too much for your morals?
I disagree with the notion, that we as a society would decide the value of a human by making this option of assisted suicide available, but rather would be fully supporting someone's own decision that the value of their suffering is not worth the remaining time it takes to endure it.
I believe that if someone of sound judgment makes this decision than as a society we should honor that choice.
Me too.
1. I dont care. 2. What thats insane and not a real arguement. I think its odd that you believe that by the state granting people the ability to end their own lives they are some how less worthy of life. Isnt the opposit true, if the state denies you the ability to end your life doesnt that if anything, make you a lesser class
It makes you a chicken in a chicken farm if you don't have the right to exit.
I have never understood how euthanasia is not legal. You know how we kill animals when they are suffering? Why does the same not apply to humans? Imagine your mother lying in bed for the rest of her life, suffering. Keeping her alive for your sake would be selfish af.
because people are morons and they think human life has value or something
4:33 Psychiatric cases of a Euthanasia in the Netherlands accounted for 1% of the total for both 2015 and 2016, unlike Cancer which lead with 73% and 68% respectively*. You’re gonna need more to your Slippery Slope argument than the fear of a few mental health case headlines. (Not to mention the cases were quite complicated, involved and above board).
*Source: RTE Dutch Regional Euthanasia Review Commission Annual Reports 2015/2016*
It is nice seeing people out here wanting to help though. That’s something. The world needs more of..
1. assisted suicide equals insufficient funding for researchers?
That's like saying if you allow people to drop out, the society won't support the education system
2. alledging assisted suicide as unjust discrimination?
most advocates of assisted suicide appeal to the idea of voluntary acts (as emphasized by suicide), it's not about asking people to die, it's about providing a possibility for people to choose from in place of their suffering.
3. egalitarianism
this is a very interesting point, I support this argument.
I disagree. Completely.
Screw that. When I get good and sick, I'm refusing any and all treatments that aren't simple pain relief.
Walk one day in the life of a person with a chronic pain condition that cycles the pain all day long, that no amount of percocet, vicodin, or morphine will help them. Walk one day in their shoes and then tell that person, "you have to experience this pain for the rest of your life'. Then go judge why some one wants to end that existence. You talk about various reasons why euthanasia and assisted suicide is a bad idea. The only reason to be considered is "pain". That's it.
How much pain justifies invalidating the rights of others to get what you want?
Pain management has made great strides during the last 20 years. If the emphasis shifts from good pain management to euthanizing patients who suffer, we will all, especially the poor, suffer a great deal more than is necessary.
Liz//// There is an amount of opiates that will help the pain. It may be a fatal dose.
Pain is not a reason to risk other lives.
I think that if you have a terminally ill and physically painful disease such as cancer and they consent then yes. But you should have to have their consent. No legal loopholes to allow the judge to go against the consent of the people who want it or don’t.
I. LOVE. THIS. I believe in giving a person the option of euthinasia and I’m actually research good points for a class. I love hearing the other side to this argument. It definitely opened my eyes, and helps me to see how everything is not so black and white, and possibly changed my view.
@@charleBerglund That’s the red herring fallacy.
What you're saying is that we need people to suffer in order to get motivation?
No I'm saying we shouldn't kill people to avoid dealing with suffering in morally acceptable ways.
@@BrianHoldsworth If the emphasis shifts from patient care and good up to date pain management, to simply killing people, it will be a great day for the insurance companies but a sad, less humane experience for the rest of us.
@@lauriej.3544 ///// 'Simply killing people' is sometimes known as murder. That is against the law. It is the patient's right to say what he wants. The insurance won't even notice as it happens so infrequently.
@@BrianHoldsworth They kill themselves tho. They administer the drug thats going to kill them to themselves. Nothing is more morally acceptable than giving a person who is in immense pain a way out. Your views are outdated by a few thousand years
I think you dont understand that people have to choose if they want to do this
No, they don't.
If suicide is tragic, how is putting the word “assisted” in front of it, suddenly make a tragic thing positive or good?
Can I first say, I I support the right to decide when I end my life. I fully expected to be against the subject matter that objected to my own personal view. I congratulate the team that rationally argued a ethical issue. I genuinely want a reasoned debate and I can only see a concensus after many points and beliefs have been put on the table. This is a topic that will split in two the, it's my life and my choice believers and life is not to be taken under any circumstance adherents.
I believe I and only I have the right to end my life, nobody has any right to make me pass away in pain and distress, or to spend years dribbling into a bowl.
Medical advances have increased life expectancy by decades for the lucky first world people. Natural selection has been relegated to second place in the journey of a single human being. Medicine has overtaken natural happenings and consequently there are billions of people walking this earth today who, in the natural world, would have not passed on their inferior genetics.
I'm going off point, but credit you for offering reasoned debate. This is a highly emotive topic, but it can still be argued in a civil manner.