This is a really great idea especially for smaller ships like corvettes in order to save weight but have multiple options on one system because of placement constraints or as shown with a carrier where you can increase the type of response variety on multiple sectors without having to add so many separate turrets or launchers. It might take a long time to do testing and certifications for each type of option in every module though. I think module like this, with these type of easy to change canisters makes a lot of sense. Multi-function seems to way forward on basically everything, including gun (dual anti-ship, anti-air, anti-ground sometimes via programmed ammo) and missile systems (multiple attack vectors and anti-air and anti-ship), etc, so it makes sense a turret can be multi-purpose like this.
@@ViolentKisses87 Not just that but a land based variant built on a truck or a Stryker chassis could also be an option for drones as well as an evolution of the Avenger system.
Brilliant idea as once it has emptied it can be refilled asap onboard and hopefully a lot of modules can be stored on board saving having to go back to port to re-arm?!
@@teeanahera8949 alot of VLS systems once fired are empty until back in port since ship to ship rearming is considered to dangerous. Though my worry is what is the logistics of reloading, the one pod looks like a 22 shot RIM-116 launcher, the problem with that is each missile weights 162lbs, meaning without the launcher body it'll be 3564lbs in just missiles. A sailor is not going to be able to just slide that in and out without a crane, and equipment to move that around the deck. In some cases decks would need to be reinforced.
MPL is quite promising, as it is capable of all attack capabilities. However I’m more concern about its reliability… just hoped that the complex AI don’t screw it over.
The concept is fine and I'm sure many have proposed something like this before since modular is such a buzzword, but they dont seem to have considered wear and tear through maritime use and reloading... The engineering of the structure seems to be very optimistic when it comes to that.
That seems smart to have a “reload” in self contained module. It allows the ordinance to avoid a lot of the rough handling and exposure if the ordinance was “loose”. It allows you to reload quicker as well. And customize easily between a variety of modules depending on mission. One of the hurdles is getting a trained Navy crew to be able to reload it quickly. I assume the modules will be much too heavy to be man portable and some type of equipment will be needed.
British MBDA Martlet Missile already in FOC, Certified for Air,Land & Sea deployment. Has Modular Warhead & Guidance options. Can defeat UAS & USV, Aircraft,Helo's etc. That would be a good multi purpose guided missile fit for launchers like this.
It would be more interesting if they also add autoloader under the turret and magazine racks, so it can have multiple reloads and the guys below deck can put next load on the autoloader.
Considering how small the pods are, you could just have two people load it in about half a minute. This is designed to be quickly integrated into ships, and requiring deck penetrations for a loader would be counterproductive.
@@Shaun_JonesExactly! People don't understand how complex the VLS system is! They only see the upper deck part & not part that is occupying all the space below. The charm of this kind of system is its non-intrusive & somewhat cheap nature. Able to integrate without major structural changes made to the platform.
@@BlackHawkTejasthe french destroyer have only 32vls, this system will be good but with more heavy missile like harpoon/exocet/micaVL/aim9/aim120/aster15/aster30 etc… and vls only for mdcn/tomahawk. integrating heavy missiles with an identical but larger modular system would be an excellent idea
@@aliciadurant2883 Its not for that purpose! To integrate VLS onto an existing warship requires major time & investment. And if there isn't space left for new VLS cells, then it's of no use! This system's scope of work is different from VLS! Don't compare it with a VLS!
Looks like Australian metalstorm system sort of assembly. Reloads at sea? That might be an issue like it can be with the VLS systems? How deep can the magazine be?
If one takes the best technology of each EU/ european maritime nation and design / build a ship for an EU navy . Its a really really scary thing to imagine .
They already do that. France and Italy cooperate heavily, as do Germany and the Netherlands. Same for fighters. They have several inter-EU programs and I think only the French pulled out to develop their own (Dassault Rafale). Even Airbus is pretty international (Germany, France, Spain).
@@mysterioanonymous3206 Kind of as there is still a lot of national pride in the way . mucking up the gears . Just look at the frigates programs the spanish dutch german Airdefense frigates of the 1990s . all was going well and spain decided to go the other way , the the Bazan class. american systems instead of the thales netherlands systems . and power plants , where the Sachsen and zeven provincien class are the only 2 of that project using simmular equipment. The same with the french and italians they join a project and then go their own way .
@@everypitchcounts4875 You miss the point . National pride of using domestic technology . Having national pride and serving the military are by default disqualified from serving as they are nationalists. One serves the military because its a calling or enjoy the lifestyle nothing more . When i served in the miltiary of the 330.000 in service only 87.000 did it voluntarily the rest where conscripts. So do not come with these nationalistic patriotic bull.
Can the modules be reloaded by hand in place, or only by replacing the modules? Assuming the larger weapons in the one module are Rolling Airframe Missile class then the modules are going to be 500+ kg apiece. A trainable launcher that can be reloaded at sea (manually or otherwise) to supplant VLS is a logical idea and I fully expect to see these in service in 3-5 years.
No it's intended for smaller missiles like the Akeron MP or maybe LP at 4 per cell, Mistral 3 anti-aircraft or anti-missile missiles 4 per cell too, 2 anti-submarine grenades, infrared decoys or 10 laser-guided rockets of 70 mm.
Arm launchers with exposed missiles were commonplace just decades ago. This is barely any different in terms of exposure I'd say. I seriously don't think this is an issue, especially since rockets/missiles for any Navy are engineered to handle at least some wet conditions. It's not expected to launch underwater, lol.
It's a scale model intended to showcase its capabilities to users & not the actual product. All systems that are going to be installed, will be marine environment ready.
My only fear is then we look at the Iron Dome usecase, when thousands of small missles are launched, how do you catch them all? Seems like some kind of instantaneous reload from some kind of energy weapon would be better. For limited number of attacks that need some armor piercing, this seems good.
Remember that this would be installed on ships. Those swarms that we saw in Israel, and ukraine relied heavily on GPS guided (or even unguided), short to medium range rockets and drones. That means that for large swarms to be used, it recquire a certain amount of planning, and the swarm can’t easily be reprogrammed during flight, meaning that they aren’t very good at killing moving targets. Now, because this is to be installed on ships, I think it can already deal with typical swarm that they might meet, as it’s very unlikely a ship would risk facing such attacks as those on Israel and Ukraine due to being generally far away from the shore, and also keep moving making them hard to target for most GLS guided weaponry. Other type of guidances are far more costly and thus less expected to be use in a swarm of more than a few dozen of them
@@vizenderHamas used mix of Decoy inerts and filled rockets, that's why they can spam alot of them. If one want to combat swarms of cheaps like that you need better algorithm that only shoot target that's predicted to hit the ship, NOT ALL incoming targets. But this made everyone fight for own's survival only and won't help eachother if one is overwhelmed. You cannot parry all the firepower of that magnitude, but you don't have to since ships are mobile and cheap rockets were unguided!
Energy weapons require huge amounts of electricity and if your drone is chromed then the energy simply reflects off it. Energy weapons are not all weather, lasers don’t work in snow, rain, cloud.
Iron Dome protect an wide area. Here it's just a ship, if the rocket wont fall on it, the system can just ignore it, making its job far easier. Even to defend other ships, with modern liaison, the system could just target the right target and ignore the rest.
Let's say a navy has ongoing construction of few to many ships (esp OPVs) & fixed DLS will come preinstalled, then bad news. Would've been better if DLS are ffbnw to give way for swiveling DLS later on, esp that one in the vid which can also fit other munitions. Even if used only for decoys, then can fit more decoys + providing onsite stowage (unlike traditional which needs to be separately stored & the fixed DLS empty, the frigate USS Stark comes to mind). Belittling ffbnw is indeed a bad idea, hehe. Better the PhN's upcoming 6 OPVs come with NO preinstalled DLS just like the upcoming 2 LPDs
Then it will lose its purpose. Yes, you can develop another variant of it. Because this is intended to be a cheap, quick, modular & non-invasive system. The features you mentioned will make this system heavy, invasive & not so cheap.
Nice one. Should cooperate with metalstorm corporation, and add a possibility, to have (as one of the gun-case types) a "canon" with additional projectile stearing for laser aim. Do not see a reason to include anti-submarine munition, unless it is more of anti-TORPEDO (or surface moving drone). But even that should be in different gunpost, because anti-air (and surface), and anti-torpedo munnition will probably need different angles for deployment. Therefore, you could aim and shoot torpedo, but by that action loose few seconds on acquiring, aiming and shooting down a missile, mortar round (or a drone).
MetalStorm went out of business in 2012. Their IP was bought up by DefendTex a few years later but I've not yet seen anything from them based on the superposed load idea MetalStorm was known for.
Flawed reasoning! Why can't it have ASW & AAW components together? Guess watching too many movies & games have done this. You can have both together & for 90% of its life cycle, it will be facing either underwater/surface or air. So it can definitely handle the presented scenario easily!
Je verrais bien ce matériel monté sur des véhicules blindés pour accompagner les régiments d'infanterie , de l'artillerie et de la cavalerie et les défendre contre les drones .
Complexity and cost. Theres a time and place for every solution and no kill quite like overkill. But at the same time if i can overkill with 10 kamikaze cardboard drones at like $1000 a piece... and do it to more targets.. Ukraine really showing why economics win war. Not the economists demanding a defunct product but the knowledgeable field operator who says "why spend this when i can get the same job done for less." Or "we dont have javelin missiles and AN94s... we go have STGs from ww2 and lots of molotovs though.."
Ukraine seeks joint ventures. Assuming their R&D will work 24/7, with continuous adaptation to the real world, you could grab market share faster. Ukraine has the Big Data and artificial intelligence you need. They will tell you where this works.
You do realise that absolute defense can not be enforced by a single system? A system that can stop a hypersonic missile will cost a lot for each use, which makes it useless against light drones for example.
@@cedriceric9730 Who says they will get the chance? Why do you assume every launcher won't be targeted and destroyed before it even gets a chance to launch?
@@cedriceric9730 Intelligence will likely know of the weapons existence. Any hypersonic weapon would likely require mid-course guidance, destroy or block that and the Western ship would escape.
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This is a really great idea especially for smaller ships like corvettes in order to save weight but have multiple options on one system because of placement constraints or as shown with a carrier where you can increase the type of response variety on multiple sectors without having to add so many separate turrets or launchers. It might take a long time to do testing and certifications for each type of option in every module though. I think module like this, with these type of easy to change canisters makes a lot of sense. Multi-function seems to way forward on basically everything, including gun (dual anti-ship, anti-air, anti-ground sometimes via programmed ammo) and missile systems (multiple attack vectors and anti-air and anti-ship), etc, so it makes sense a turret can be multi-purpose like this.
I was thinking it would make for a nice inexpensive multitool again drones for large ships not wanting to waste a $1,000,000 missile.
@@ViolentKisses87 Not just that but a land based variant built on a truck or a Stryker chassis could also be an option for drones as well as an evolution of the Avenger system.
missile launching while the chauff is going off
What a fucking stupid idea.
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Brilliant idea as once it has emptied it can be refilled asap onboard and hopefully a lot of modules can be stored on board saving having to go back to port to re-arm?!
Since when exactly did ships have to travel all the way home, possibly over thousands of kilometres, to rearm? The ordnance is brought to the ship.
@@teeanahera8949 thank you for your input, I was never in the navy.
@@teeanahera8949 have you seen any Arleigh Burke-class Vertical launch system (VLS), the all require them to port to be reloaded.
@@teeanahera8949 alot of VLS systems once fired are empty until back in port since ship to ship rearming is considered to dangerous. Though my worry is what is the logistics of reloading, the one pod looks like a 22 shot RIM-116 launcher, the problem with that is each missile weights 162lbs, meaning without the launcher body it'll be 3564lbs in just missiles. A sailor is not going to be able to just slide that in and out without a crane, and equipment to move that around the deck. In some cases decks would need to be reinforced.
@@teeanahera8949depends on what's being reloaded, the Navy currently needs to go to a friendly port to reload their Mk41 VLS
A 4 cell mini VLS.
MPL is quite promising, as it is capable of all attack capabilities. However I’m more concern about its reliability… just hoped that the complex AI don’t screw it over.
This looks very promising.
Looks like the movie Battleship, thanks for the mockup.
Super innovation multi-solutions en un bloc compact bien joué !!
The concept is fine and I'm sure many have proposed something like this before since modular is such a buzzword, but they dont seem to have considered wear and tear through maritime use and reloading... The engineering of the structure seems to be very optimistic when it comes to that.
Why is wear and tear a factor compared to the sadral launcher it will replace?
I don't understand why it's a concern
Smart, adaptable and easy to change out pods.
nice idea!
Very proud of my country, This looks promising!
That seems smart to have a “reload” in self contained module. It allows the ordinance to avoid a lot of the rough handling and exposure if the ordinance was “loose”. It allows you to reload quicker as well. And customize easily between a variety of modules depending on mission. One of the hurdles is getting a trained Navy crew to be able to reload it quickly. I assume the modules will be much too heavy to be man portable and some type of equipment will be needed.
What is this, a missile launcher for ANTS??? -Zoolander
British MBDA Martlet Missile already in FOC, Certified for Air,Land & Sea deployment.
Has Modular Warhead & Guidance options. Can defeat UAS & USV, Aircraft,Helo's etc.
That would be a good multi purpose guided missile fit for launchers like this.
Yep, i believe the Martlet has also been fitted on a 40mm rapid fire turret.
Great idea it's probably more modern the mistral too?
@@guillaumefigarella1704 I guess Mistral can be fitted to, but it is an AA missile when the Martlet is a more versatile platform.
@@arnaudsurribas2963And 30mm chaingun stations.
The martlet is made by the English branch of Thales Air Defense actually, not MBDA
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I'll keep it in mind when arming my personal battleship.
Par pitié, mais que Naval Group paie le TOEIC à ses représentants !
Very clever
i like this concept
It would be more interesting if they also add autoloader under the turret and magazine racks, so it can have multiple reloads and the guys below deck can put next load on the autoloader.
Considering how small the pods are, you could just have two people load it in about half a minute. This is designed to be quickly integrated into ships, and requiring deck penetrations for a loader would be counterproductive.
@@Shaun_JonesExactly! People don't understand how complex the VLS system is! They only see the upper deck part & not part that is occupying all the space below.
The charm of this kind of system is its non-intrusive & somewhat cheap nature. Able to integrate without major structural changes made to the platform.
@@BlackHawkTejasthe french destroyer have only 32vls, this system will be good but with more heavy missile like harpoon/exocet/micaVL/aim9/aim120/aster15/aster30 etc… and vls only for mdcn/tomahawk.
integrating heavy missiles with an identical but larger modular system would be an excellent idea
@@aliciadurant2883 Its not for that purpose! To integrate VLS onto an existing warship requires major time & investment. And if there isn't space left for new VLS cells, then it's of no use!
This system's scope of work is different from VLS! Don't compare it with a VLS!
Looks like Australian metalstorm system sort of assembly. Reloads at sea? That might be an issue like it can be with the VLS systems? How deep can the magazine be?
It's not an intrusive type system more like a bolt on system.
If one takes the best technology of each EU/ european maritime nation and design / build a ship for an EU navy .
Its a really really scary thing to imagine .
They already do that. France and Italy cooperate heavily, as do Germany and the Netherlands.
Same for fighters. They have several inter-EU programs and I think only the French pulled out to develop their own (Dassault Rafale). Even Airbus is pretty international (Germany, France, Spain).
That would require the Europeans to be able to work together with our actively screwing each other over
@@mysterioanonymous3206 Kind of as there is still a lot of national pride in the way . mucking up the gears . Just look at the frigates programs the spanish dutch german Airdefense frigates of the 1990s . all was going well and spain decided to go the other way , the the Bazan class. american systems instead of the thales netherlands systems . and power plants , where the Sachsen and zeven provincien class are the only 2 of that project using simmular equipment.
The same with the french and italians they join a project and then go their own way .
@@marcusfranconium3392 The ones with national pride tend to serve in the military for their country and fight the wars politicians create.
@@everypitchcounts4875 You miss the point . National pride of using domestic technology . Having national pride and serving the military are by default disqualified from serving as they are nationalists. One serves the military because its a calling or enjoy the lifestyle nothing more . When i served in the miltiary of the 330.000 in service only 87.000 did it voluntarily the rest where conscripts.
So do not come with these nationalistic patriotic bull.
Can the modules be reloaded by hand in place, or only by replacing the modules? Assuming the larger weapons in the one module are Rolling Airframe Missile class then the modules are going to be 500+ kg apiece. A trainable launcher that can be reloaded at sea (manually or otherwise) to supplant VLS is a logical idea and I fully expect to see these in service in 3-5 years.
No it's intended for smaller missiles like the Akeron MP or maybe LP at 4 per cell, Mistral 3 anti-aircraft or anti-missile missiles 4 per cell too, 2 anti-submarine grenades, infrared decoys or 10 laser-guided rockets of 70 mm.
If you look at the canister design, it has hand grips, so that mockup is only like 1:5 scale maybe.
This will be good for ground troops as well IMO, for protecting them from MLRS and artillery fire.
then some automatic reloading system to that also, some sort of conveyor to and from the "gun". A nice safety feature to have this on ships
so just use VLS...
It so tiny, sausage sized missiles not scaring anyone. ;-)
Amazing. Can it launch targetted chocolate candies?
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This is a great idea. especially including decoys.
Wow it’s so small . you could fit at least 100 on the ship
So you have the rockets exposed to salt, and what about vision under bad weather that is actually 60%+ of the time at sea?
how is it going to get exposed to salt🗿
In the 3d video you can see the holes are sealed much like a tomahawk.
So this scaled down model is here to show what kind of payload you can use.
Arm launchers with exposed missiles were commonplace just decades ago. This is barely any different in terms of exposure I'd say. I seriously don't think this is an issue, especially since rockets/missiles for any Navy are engineered to handle at least some wet conditions. It's not expected to launch underwater, lol.
It's a scale model intended to showcase its capabilities to users & not the actual product.
All systems that are going to be installed, will be marine environment ready.
My only fear is then we look at the Iron Dome usecase, when thousands of small missles are launched, how do you catch them all?
Seems like some kind of instantaneous reload from some kind of energy weapon would be better.
For limited number of attacks that need some armor piercing, this seems good.
Remember that this would be installed on ships. Those swarms that we saw in Israel, and ukraine relied heavily on GPS guided (or even unguided), short to medium range rockets and drones. That means that for large swarms to be used, it recquire a certain amount of planning, and the swarm can’t easily be reprogrammed during flight, meaning that they aren’t very good at killing moving targets. Now, because this is to be installed on ships, I think it can already deal with typical swarm that they might meet, as it’s very unlikely a ship would risk facing such attacks as those on Israel and Ukraine due to being generally far away from the shore, and also keep moving making them hard to target for most GLS guided weaponry. Other type of guidances are far more costly and thus less expected to be use in a swarm of more than a few dozen of them
@@vizenderHamas used mix of Decoy inerts and filled rockets, that's why they can spam alot of them. If one want to combat swarms of cheaps like that you need better algorithm that only shoot target that's predicted to hit the ship, NOT ALL incoming targets. But this made everyone fight for own's survival only and won't help eachother if one is overwhelmed.
You cannot parry all the firepower of that magnitude, but you don't have to since ships are mobile and cheap rockets were unguided!
STATIC targets WILL ALWAYS be easer to hit than mobile
look at the V1
Energy weapons require huge amounts of electricity and if your drone is chromed then the energy simply reflects off it. Energy weapons are not all weather, lasers don’t work in snow, rain, cloud.
Iron Dome protect an wide area. Here it's just a ship, if the rocket wont fall on it, the system can just ignore it, making its job far easier. Even to defend other ships, with modern liaison, the system could just target the right target and ignore the rest.
Let's say a navy has ongoing construction of few to many ships (esp OPVs) & fixed DLS will come preinstalled, then bad news. Would've been better if DLS are ffbnw to give way for swiveling DLS later on, esp that one in the vid which can also fit other munitions. Even if used only for decoys, then can fit more decoys + providing onsite stowage (unlike traditional which needs to be separately stored & the fixed DLS empty, the frigate USS Stark comes to mind). Belittling ffbnw is indeed a bad idea, hehe. Better the PhN's upcoming 6 OPVs come with NO preinstalled DLS just like the upcoming 2 LPDs
*too many ships.
i think the MPL shall also intergrade gun module， intergraded radar/ESM/Jammer module， or even Laser module inside
I think you mean integrated.
Then it will lose its purpose. Yes, you can develop another variant of it. Because this is intended to be a cheap, quick, modular & non-invasive system.
The features you mentioned will make this system heavy, invasive & not so cheap.
Nice one. Should cooperate with metalstorm corporation, and add a possibility, to have (as one of the gun-case types) a "canon" with additional projectile stearing for laser aim. Do not see a reason to include anti-submarine munition, unless it is more of anti-TORPEDO (or surface moving drone). But even that should be in different gunpost, because anti-air (and surface), and anti-torpedo munnition will probably need different angles for deployment. Therefore, you could aim and shoot torpedo, but by that action loose few seconds on acquiring, aiming and shooting down a missile, mortar round (or a drone).
MetalStorm went out of business in 2012. Their IP was bought up by DefendTex a few years later but I've not yet seen anything from them based on the superposed load idea MetalStorm was known for.
MetalStorm isn't a thing anymore.
Flawed reasoning!
Why can't it have ASW & AAW components together? Guess watching too many movies & games have done this.
You can have both together & for 90% of its life cycle, it will be facing either underwater/surface or air. So it can definitely handle the presented scenario easily!
Add it to HS KIMON nowwwww and ECM
Is this a ciws for ants?
Je verrais bien ce matériel monté sur des véhicules blindés pour accompagner les régiments d'infanterie , de l'artillerie et de la cavalerie et les défendre contre les drones .
Ou alors installés en batteries pour faire de la défense de point (aéroports, bâtiments d’importances…)
@@vizender Absolument , tous les sites sensibles tels que barrages , centrales nucléaires , stockage gaz , bâtiments militaires , etc....
Moi je le verrais bien dans mon salon, ça rendrais sûrement mieux que les vases de madame.
Machine gun??
Complexity and cost. Theres a time and place for every solution and no kill quite like overkill. But at the same time if i can overkill with 10 kamikaze cardboard drones at like $1000 a piece... and do it to more targets.. Ukraine really showing why economics win war. Not the economists demanding a defunct product but the knowledgeable field operator who says "why spend this when i can get the same job done for less." Or "we dont have javelin missiles and AN94s... we go have STGs from ww2 and lots of molotovs though.."
Don't stand in front of it!
It's a scaled down mock up
Look at 3:27 for an expected real life size
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I think he managed to include ALL the buzzwords in his spiel without actually saying much.
making the weapons of tomorrow that will be beat by the weapons of the day after that
I’m struggling to understand, even well-known words
This is a old weapon, remember watching something about this years ago.
Ukraine seeks joint ventures. Assuming their R&D will work 24/7, with continuous adaptation to the real world, you could grab market share faster. Ukraine has the Big Data and artificial intelligence you need. They will tell you where this works.
Not ukraine but the NATO centre in Netherlands!
Next 2 year u will see a Chinese version ...hihi
it looks like a hunk of junk from the 1960s...
Will it defeat Chinese hypersonic weapons or a Chinese rail gun slug? If not, it’s worthless.
Someones been playing too many video games.
You do realise that absolute defense can not be enforced by a single system?
A system that can stop a hypersonic missile will cost a lot for each use, which makes it useless against light drones for example.
@@BravoCheesecakeits far from useless but he has a point, china is going to throw things at western battleships they have never faced😂
@@cedriceric9730 Who says they will get the chance? Why do you assume every launcher won't be targeted and destroyed before it even gets a chance to launch?
@@cedriceric9730 Intelligence will likely know of the weapons existence. Any hypersonic weapon would likely require mid-course guidance, destroy or block that and the Western ship would escape.
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