You nailed it! I’ve been studying Moriyama’s for quite some time and you were able to summarize his philosophy and approximate to his approach to photography. Your projects are very challenging so I congratulate your courage and honesty. Without claiming to be a successful photographer I can say that I’ve been photographing all my life. Moriyama’s style validates some of my early and not too far film work. Moriyama’s raw approach to capturing feelings keeps me in check so I don’t succumb to neurotic need for gadgets or sterile pixel perfect obsession. In that sense, Moriyama frees me. Please keep your amazing work.
Your videos are the most informative and thought provoking photography videos on UA-cam. A refreshing change from the gear junkies and editing tweakers. The story you tell while showing the technique and results is spectacular. There’s something about the calm delivery with your voice that makes the entire experience of your videos a breath of fresh air from everything else I’ve seen. Wish I had seen these when I had first started photography, thank you.
I didn't love Moriyama's photos when I saw them in London‘s Photographers Gallery but this excellent has helped me understand and appreciate his work a lot more.
You have one of the best photography channels on this site. Always interesting, always insightful. While I mostly come here for the history and the dissection of specific art styles, these videos also tend to be more useful than most tutorials on youtube as well. Cheers!
This is very beautiful. There's something about Moriyama's photos that makes them impossible to imitate, because his soul is shown through them, and there are no barriers to that. A lot can be learnt i think by taking on his approach, not by imitating the imagery in his work. You've shown your own soul quite well by using his approach, BRAVO SIR! 😍
Awesome! This is the style I've been searching for without even knowing it already (of course!) existed for about 20 years now. Thank you very much for putting this up!
Another great video! I specially love how deep you went into Influences. I believe that our influences throughout life are what makes our "photographic soul" and you invested quite some time introducing his influences. What an amazing video
For a period around the early 2000’s he also used a Ricoh GR21. A rare small film compact with a 21mm lens. With his technique and b+w grainy aesthetic it produced fabulously dynamic images. This is the work that really caught my eye. I love his attitude, the complete freedom, intuitive, snapshot, no rules process. In this way the dynamic in The Democratic Forest of William Egglestone’s approach is reminiscent. Moriyama currently has a retrospective at The Photographers Gallery, London.
Great work! More than imitative the background of each photographer, their inspirations and the interpretation of their work stands out. Thank you! Regards from Mexico…
Wow!!! This is one of your best videos imo. The images you got are amazing and it's probably the ones that are the most convincing at imitating the photographer you discuss. Well done 🤯
Another great job, thank you! There is a fantastic Moriyama exhibition on at the moment at the Photographers Gallery in London. Uniquely his show has taken over all 5 floors of the gallery. It really is an immersive experience with wall sized video installations and examples of his work from both the B&W and colour period. It really brought home to me how fresh and original his work is even today. "Stream of consciousness" is an apt description. But the difference with Moriyama is that its an interesting stream of consciousness.
Very much appreciate your work. You have a great method of documenting the photographers. It’s obvious you work hard to put in the work to give them credit. I imagine it’s a lot of work! And your Pedro Pascal voice makes it easy to listen to. Thanks for encouraging us to take more photos, to feel more than we see.
I really liked the doc style montage with the historical facts, it's pretty well made and could work on his own as doc also analyzing and breaking down styles in this way is pretty unique. Also for some reason you sound like an Irish Pedro Pascal
Just terrific. Thank you for your insights into his photography and effort to capture your own images in his style. Very instructive. I applaud your video series - really helps me with my street photography.
Really love what you got in this project, and loved how you brought it out there to give it a try. I'm reasonably new to your channel, but I've been going deep on Moriyama. Super fun.
I came to the series for the "how", to see different ways to do things however the documentary part is what really makes these vids shine, one without the other wouldn't be half as good.
This was an excellent video thank you! I think the one where you were not looking through the viewfinder and the finger blocked it could have been one of the best were it not for the finger covering part of the lens! Demonstration of desire/intent vs. detailed planning. I agree the woman holding the two small dogs was probably the best shot and serendipitous!
Thank you for this great episode! I love Moriyama and it is awesome how you indulged yourself in this and the results of it. There is a cool way to relive his b/w pictures in a digital format: an Olympus E-PL(7, 8, 9, 10 little difference) and then use the art filter grainy film I or II. Both resemble his work a lot and if you slap a small lens on (15mm Panasonic or 17mm Olympus) you got something similar to what he uses Again: thank you!
@@glorphindale You have to use b/w film when you want to get a somewhat beautiful grain. Kodak Tri-X 400 or Ilford Delta HP5. And then push it to the max or even one stop above. Beautiful reminiscence to Moriyama's early work by the way. I like it more then his more recent photography.
@@xtra9996 Yeah, I use HP5 sometimes and tried pushing it. But Olympus E-PL7 is a digital camera, that has "Dramatic B&W" mode. It adds an artificial grain pattern, that is very distinct.
I admire your explanation and interpretation at the beginning of your videos, helping the viewer to easily relate your guest photographer's work to your work. A very respectful collection of educational videos.. Thank you ☕🙏🏽🌷
Love the video! Love your deep dives into the history of the photographer and that you try to follow their philosophy of photographing. It does shine a light on the fact that not everyone has a similar philosophy of what photography means, and how different the possible answers could be. I'm left wandering tho, what connection do you have with the photographers that you choose to study and imitate? I don't think you choose them at random, and knowing what drews you into these noticably big projects could be interesting too. It'd also be interesting to know your take on the different photographer's philosophy, since that could spawn quite an interesting debate too. Sorry, I'm asking too many questions 😅 Amazing video! Amazing photos!
Thanks! Some of the photographers have aspects of their lives that resonate with me, either because I may have felt similar emotions, had similar life experiences, or maybe because it's a window into a kind of life I've always wondered about. Some of them are big names in the photography space, but for the smaller ones I generally try to find photographers who have an interesting way of looking at the world.
Been loving the videos for a while now. Always super good and inspiring. I feel like the editing on this was another level though. I can see the work. Keep it up 👏
I hope you don't give up your channel. Please keep updating. Your voice is very soothing and the videos are educational! Please don't ever review gears! Thank you.
Nice summary, I'm a big fan of Moriyama's work & the whole provoke movement. Your final results are impressive. I haven't seen your contact sheets, but I think you already gave yourself the answer as to what makes the difference to Daido's work when you mentioned that he shoots a film in 100m. Quite simply: overshooting. --- Thanks & keep up the good work.
Good video. You missed a couple of great shots imho: 26:37 - the kid has a nice light/shadow contrast and the composition is nice 27:01 - JESUS 27:40 - redhead boy expression is so good 28:28 - girl's hand on her bf strap anyway great work
Super insightful and so well documented, well done on the festival shots, those shots got grit! Thanks for creating and sharing the is awesome vid. As it turns out he’s got a exhibition at the Photographers gallery London UK, after watching this, we’ll you know…it’s hard to say no to a DM Exhibition 😁so the tickets are on their way. 🙏👍🙌
Great stuff. One of the things I noticed in a video with Moriyama a few years back, is he sat at a computer while the guy used DxO SilverEfex to get that more gritty look on his digital images. I think cameras like the modern Ricoh GR and SilverEfex or Dehancer would really get you close, at least as far as the tonality and grit are concerned.
Another wonderful video in a great series. I would love to see one of these on Martin Parr, one of my favourite British photographers. Maybe it wouldn't be possible though, becasue his photos are SO British haha.
After getting sucked into the gear rabbit hole for some time im glad to have found these videos, it really takes me back into what i like about photography This one in particular solidified my want to do only (or mostly) black and white. While you were reading Moriyama's explanation i completely zoned out and stopped listening. I dont think black and white needs an explanation. You just have to look at it.
Hi! Wonderful channel. Just discovered it. Fascinating to see you walk back the technical choices, intentions and effects behind great photo work. A suggestion: are you familiar with John Divola's "Zuma" séries? Such intriguing use of flash balanced with saturated sunsets. I would be so curious to see your take on it. Thank you. Keep up the great work!
when covid started i thought that a very interesting project would be to photograph the masks in bushed and the ground.. I just started gaining interest in photography and didn‘t think much of it. Recently i wondered if anyone had done a project like that, as it seems so obvious. I‘m sure some photographers must have done it, but i can‘t find anything like that.. 😅
Yeah there might be many people who thought of something similar in the early days, but maybe they didn't execute it. Photographing discarded masks in black and white with flash similar to Moriyama’s "found objects"would come out nicely I think.
Congratulations... it's not easy to talk about Daidō Moriyama as he is not a simple photographer, but a genius. Congratulations because your attempt to imitate the great photographers is definitely stimulating for me, I continue to follow you with great interest. How much is a job on William Eggleston? Thank you.
I've been waiting on you to do a video on Daido Moriyama! Great video however I wish you went more in depth on his color/digital era works instead of dismissing it as "too clean, too sterile" while I understand that when you think of Moriyama the first thing that pops in your mind are his b&w photos (rightfully so) I believe his color photography also deserves a long analysis like this video. There are already a lot of videos like yours which goes in depth to the b&w photos and there's obviously nothing wrong with that but I was hoping that you would at least spend some time talking and analyzing his color photography but your simple and short dismissal of the color photography disappointed me a little. His color photography, to me, are very romantic (not love romantic but passionate romantic sort of thing is what I mean) and gritty but a different kind of grit compared to the b&w. It's very artistic and expressive and also the embodiment of Moriyama's philosophy on photography which is Desire, there's also nobody else that's shooting color like he does, at least I haven't seen any that resembles.
You bring up some good points. Ultimately with these videos I have to pick something specific to focus on, especially with someone with as long and storied career as Moriyama. Some aspects I had to leave out due to time constraints, others due to UA-cam restrictions (e.g. some of his more erotic work). I also must admit black and white is easier to imitate than color. Perhaps the dismissiveness came off a bit too strong, but I do find his discussion of color interesting and how he says he uses it when he wants to introduce "vulgar" aspects (his photographs of packed meat come to mind) and you're right in that it reflects desire but of a more instinctual/carnal nature. Maybe something for a future video!
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You nailed it! I’ve been studying Moriyama’s for quite some time and you were able to summarize his philosophy and approximate to his approach to photography. Your projects are very challenging so I congratulate your courage and honesty. Without claiming to be a successful photographer I can say that I’ve been photographing all my life. Moriyama’s style validates some of my early and not too far film work. Moriyama’s raw approach to capturing feelings keeps me in check so I don’t succumb to neurotic need for gadgets or sterile pixel perfect obsession. In that sense, Moriyama frees me. Please keep your amazing work.
Thanks for watching!
Love this series and this episode on Moriyama came at a perfect time, really getting into his catalogue!
Fantastic!
You got it right, Moriyama was pretty much punk rock. I like how you provide historical and social context.
Your videos are the most informative and thought provoking photography videos on UA-cam. A refreshing change from the gear junkies and editing tweakers. The story you tell while showing the technique and results is spectacular. There’s something about the calm delivery with your voice that makes the entire experience of your videos a breath of fresh air from everything else I’ve seen. Wish I had seen these when I had first started photography, thank you.
I'm first starting photography and I agree. I love his approach. It makes me want to go outside and take pictures :)
I didn't love Moriyama's photos when I saw them in London‘s Photographers Gallery but this excellent has helped me understand and appreciate his work a lot more.
waited until I could watch this at home on a tv. interesting and enriching as always.
Good call. I think this is my longest video yet.
You have one of the best photography channels on this site. Always interesting, always insightful. While I mostly come here for the history and the dissection of specific art styles, these videos also tend to be more useful than most tutorials on youtube as well. Cheers!
This is very beautiful. There's something about Moriyama's photos that makes them impossible to imitate, because his soul is shown through them, and there are no barriers to that. A lot can be learnt i think by taking on his approach, not by imitating the imagery in his work. You've shown your own soul quite well by using his approach, BRAVO SIR! 😍
Well said!
Awesome! This is the style I've been searching for without even knowing it already (of course!) existed for about 20 years now. Thank you very much for putting this up!
Another great video! I specially love how deep you went into Influences. I believe that our influences throughout life are what makes our "photographic soul" and you invested quite some time introducing his influences. What an amazing video
For sure! It's always interesting to see parallels between early life and artistic approach.
For a period around the early 2000’s he also used a Ricoh GR21. A rare small film compact with a 21mm lens. With his technique and b+w grainy aesthetic it produced fabulously dynamic images. This is the work that really caught my eye. I love his attitude, the complete freedom, intuitive, snapshot, no rules process. In this way the dynamic in The Democratic Forest of William Egglestone’s approach is reminiscent. Moriyama currently has a retrospective at The Photographers Gallery, London.
Love these videos. It’s like going to art history class from the comfort of your home. I wish we had more channels like this focus on photography.
Thank you for coming back with another amazing video
Great work! More than imitative the background of each photographer, their inspirations and the interpretation of their work stands out. Thank you!
Regards from Mexico…
Gracias Sergio!
This superb video helped me so much in my approach to photography and my writing in terms of allowing one's spirit into the work.
I am delighted to hear this helped you!
Outstanding! I visit Tokyo weekly and I'm in love with the place. I carry some camera there 24/7.
Wow!!! This is one of your best videos imo. The images you got are amazing and it's probably the ones that are the most convincing at imitating the photographer you discuss. Well done 🤯
You did well imitating Daido-san style and explaining his work, really enjoy this series great video!
Awesome video🔥🔥🔥🔥 Your videos help me learn a lot about photography.
Another great job, thank you! There is a fantastic Moriyama exhibition on at the moment at the Photographers Gallery in London. Uniquely his show has taken over all 5 floors of the gallery. It really is an immersive experience with wall sized video installations and examples of his work from both the B&W and colour period. It really brought home to me how fresh and original his work is even today. "Stream of consciousness" is an apt description. But the difference with Moriyama is that its an interesting stream of consciousness.
Very much appreciate your work. You have a great method of documenting the photographers. It’s obvious you work hard to put in the work to give them credit. I imagine it’s a lot of work! And your Pedro Pascal voice makes it easy to listen to. Thanks for encouraging us to take more photos, to feel more than we see.
Dude, your channel is so underrated. Great videos!
I really liked the doc style montage with the historical facts, it's pretty well made and could work on his own as doc also analyzing and breaking down styles in this way is pretty unique. Also for some reason you sound like an Irish Pedro Pascal
Just terrific. Thank you for your insights into his photography and effort to capture your own images in his style. Very instructive. I applaud your video series - really helps me with my street photography.
Really love what you got in this project, and loved how you brought it out there to give it a try. I'm reasonably new to your channel, but I've been going deep on Moriyama. Super fun.
Thanks Chris!
Always enjoy your videos and the chill vibes :)
These videos are excellent! I know a lot of work was put into making these videos and I really appreciate it!
Was wondering when you're gonna upload again, i can say it's always worth the wait.
Really well researched piece of content. Enjoyable and informative. Alot of work has gone into it but well worth it.
I came to the series for the "how", to see different ways to do things however the documentary part is what really makes these vids shine, one without the other wouldn't be half as good.
Wonderfully done. IMHO this is your best work yet. Thanks so much for sharing. :-)
This was an excellent video thank you! I think the one where you were not looking through the viewfinder and the finger blocked it could have been one of the best were it not for the finger covering part of the lens! Demonstration of desire/intent vs. detailed planning. I agree the woman holding the two small dogs was probably the best shot and serendipitous!
Thank you for this great episode! I love Moriyama and it is awesome how you indulged yourself in this and the results of it.
There is a cool way to relive his b/w pictures in a digital format: an Olympus E-PL(7, 8, 9, 10 little difference) and then use the art filter grainy film I or II.
Both resemble his work a lot and if you slap a small lens on (15mm Panasonic or 17mm Olympus) you got something similar to what he uses
Again: thank you!
I like the art grainy film filter, but it prints poorly - a uniform pattern appears everywhere.
@@glorphindale You have to use b/w film when you want to get a somewhat beautiful grain. Kodak Tri-X 400 or Ilford Delta HP5. And then push it to the max or even one stop above. Beautiful reminiscence to Moriyama's early work by the way. I like it more then his more recent photography.
@@xtra9996 Yeah, I use HP5 sometimes and tried pushing it. But Olympus E-PL7 is a digital camera, that has "Dramatic B&W" mode. It adds an artificial grain pattern, that is very distinct.
@@glorphindale A grain pattern will ruin any photo instantly, of course.
Thanks!
Thank you for your support!
Thanks
Thanks for your support!
The cat on the shoulder is the image that made me smile
Hugely appreciate of the time and effort you put into these videos, thank you!
Amazing video thank you for introducing us to all these film photographers
great video.. thank you for all ur hard work.
Maybe the best episode of the series
I admire your explanation and interpretation at the beginning of your videos, helping the viewer to easily relate your guest photographer's work to your work. A very respectful collection of educational videos.. Thank you ☕🙏🏽🌷
Love the video! Love your deep dives into the history of the photographer and that you try to follow their philosophy of photographing. It does shine a light on the fact that not everyone has a similar philosophy of what photography means, and how different the possible answers could be.
I'm left wandering tho, what connection do you have with the photographers that you choose to study and imitate? I don't think you choose them at random, and knowing what drews you into these noticably big projects could be interesting too. It'd also be interesting to know your take on the different photographer's philosophy, since that could spawn quite an interesting debate too.
Sorry, I'm asking too many questions 😅
Amazing video! Amazing photos!
Thanks! Some of the photographers have aspects of their lives that resonate with me, either because I may have felt similar emotions, had similar life experiences, or maybe because it's a window into a kind of life I've always wondered about.
Some of them are big names in the photography space, but for the smaller ones I generally try to find photographers who have an interesting way of looking at the world.
this is a wonderful video you've done, great job! i was also went to that festival at that time so its pretty nice to see this
Haha that's awesome, how did you like the festival?
@@ImitativePhotography i definitely enjoyed it! the street food was very delicious, never tried takoyaki before :) so it was worth the visit
Your channel is wonderful! Happy to discover it!
Another great episode, thanks for keeping up with this series. Looking forward to the next!
Been loving the videos for a while now. Always super good and inspiring. I feel like the editing on this was another level though. I can see the work. Keep it up 👏
Great job man. I have been really enjoying your videos and I can tell you put a lot into this one. Keep it going!
I hope you don't give up your channel. Please keep updating. Your voice is very soothing and the videos are educational! Please don't ever review gears! Thank you.
Don't worry I've got some projects in the works.
I hope one of those projects could be about Michael Ackerman :)
I'm a huge fan of your work.... Very inspiring, thank you !
Thanks!
Such an amazing video, thanks a lot !!
Thank you so much for such a wonderful video.
Brilliant & very interesting presentation!
Nice summary, I'm a big fan of Moriyama's work & the whole provoke movement. Your final results are impressive. I haven't seen your contact sheets, but I think you already gave yourself the answer as to what makes the difference to Daido's work when you mentioned that he shoots a film in 100m. Quite simply: overshooting. --- Thanks & keep up the good work.
Good video. You missed a couple of great shots imho:
26:37 - the kid has a nice light/shadow contrast and the composition is nice
27:01 - JESUS
27:40 - redhead boy expression is so good
28:28 - girl's hand on her bf strap
anyway great work
You nailed it! Awesome video. Thank you!
Thank you for another great video.
恥ずかしながら森山さんのことは初めて知りました。学生運動の映像は考えさせられるものでした。おそらく真似する人を懸念して今日ではタブーとされているのだと思います。とても興味深く拝見させていただきました。
Amazing video. Your channel is outstanding. Well done 👏
Super insightful and so well documented, well done on the festival shots, those shots got grit! Thanks for creating and sharing the is awesome vid. As it turns out he’s got a exhibition at the Photographers gallery London UK, after watching this, we’ll you know…it’s hard to say no to a DM Exhibition 😁so the tickets are on their way. 🙏👍🙌
Nice, hope you enjoy it! I've heard great things about the exhibition.
Fantastic work, great artistic knowledge, both authors
4months since your last post…. Worth the wait 😊
Great work. Thank you!
Thank you. Wonderful work
Great video, thank you for the inspiration 😊
Fantastic content. I'm impressed you got Pedro Pascal to do the voice over!
Great stuff. One of the things I noticed in a video with Moriyama a few years back, is he sat at a computer while the guy used DxO SilverEfex to get that more gritty look on his digital images. I think cameras like the modern Ricoh GR and SilverEfex or Dehancer would really get you close, at least as far as the tonality and grit are concerned.
Exceptionally good research as always. Makes me want to dust of the XA and defreeze some Tri-x. Thank you for your hard work!
That was great! Thank you!
Another great video!
Please keep your amazing work
Another wonderful video in a great series. I would love to see one of these on Martin Parr, one of my favourite British photographers. Maybe it wouldn't be possible though, becasue his photos are SO British haha.
That's a good point haha
I can see clearly another level of pictures compare with mine..it is a pure valuable lesson for me.
really incredible videos!
I have the same camera but I've never been able to get pictures like that, you're great
After getting sucked into the gear rabbit hole for some time im glad to have found these videos, it really takes me back into what i like about photography
This one in particular solidified my want to do only (or mostly) black and white.
While you were reading Moriyama's explanation i completely zoned out and stopped listening. I dont think black and white needs an explanation. You just have to look at it.
Yep, that's why I put the sumo I recorded into black and white during that segment. Visuals speak for themselves.
Omg I love Daido so much
Great vid learned and was entertained.
Master photo, great photos
Great video as always my dude
Brilliant! Thank you.
bro you are not just a photografer ur a journalist photografer and documenter. great job.
Great interpretation of his work!
Bloody amazing!
Great video 🙂👍
Thanks!
Excellent!
great vid. thanks
Hi! Wonderful channel. Just discovered it. Fascinating to see you walk back the technical choices, intentions and effects behind great photo work.
A suggestion: are you familiar with John Divola's "Zuma" séries? Such intriguing use of flash balanced with saturated sunsets. I would be so curious to see your take on it.
Thank you. Keep up the great work!
Thank you, happy to hear you're enjoying the content. This is the first time I see the Zuma series. Looks interesting, thanks for the suggestion!
@@ImitativePhotography of course! Thank you for the great content!
I liked the finger blocked image, it has character.
La verdad casi no se nada de ingles pero gustan mucho tus videos son muy buenos espero que traigas mas fotografos en blanco y negro
a lot of his photos feel like they lead right to the same style as Akira
How did you shoot the ones with no viewfinder? How did you range focus? I have an olympus xa too, great shot with the 2 dogs 🙌🏻
I set aperture to f/16 or f/22 and then zone focused accordingly but didn't stress over it too much for the no finder shots.
Perfect!
thank you
Digital grain + Analog grain = ???
Another good vid.
Were you generally zone focusing for the quick snaps?
Yep, zone focused pretty much all of the shots where I was in motion.
when covid started i thought that a very interesting project would be to photograph the masks in bushed and the ground.. I just started gaining interest in photography and didn‘t think much of it.
Recently i wondered if anyone had done a project like that, as it seems so obvious. I‘m sure some photographers must have done it, but i can‘t find anything like that.. 😅
Yeah there might be many people who thought of something similar in the early days, but maybe they didn't execute it. Photographing discarded masks in black and white with flash similar to Moriyama’s "found objects"would come out nicely I think.
Congratulations... it's not easy to talk about Daidō Moriyama as he is not a simple photographer, but a genius. Congratulations because your attempt to imitate the great photographers is definitely stimulating for me, I continue to follow you with great interest. How much is a job on William Eggleston? Thank you.
For you, no charge, just might have to wait a while 🤣
😂 22:44 Muy bueno, como siempre!
how do you push to 1600ISO? Doesnt the XA only go to 800?
Yeah the XA iso selector only goes up to 800 but I still told the lab to push 2 stops so I guess it comes out one stop underexposed?
I've been waiting on you to do a video on Daido Moriyama! Great video however I wish you went more in depth on his color/digital era works instead of dismissing it as "too clean, too sterile" while I understand that when you think of Moriyama the first thing that pops in your mind are his b&w photos (rightfully so) I believe his color photography also deserves a long analysis like this video. There are already a lot of videos like yours which goes in depth to the b&w photos and there's obviously nothing wrong with that but I was hoping that you would at least spend some time talking and analyzing his color photography but your simple and short dismissal of the color photography disappointed me a little. His color photography, to me, are very romantic (not love romantic but passionate romantic sort of thing is what I mean) and gritty but a different kind of grit compared to the b&w. It's very artistic and expressive and also the embodiment of Moriyama's philosophy on photography which is Desire, there's also nobody else that's shooting color like he does, at least I haven't seen any that resembles.
You bring up some good points. Ultimately with these videos I have to pick something specific to focus on, especially with someone with as long and storied career as Moriyama. Some aspects I had to leave out due to time constraints, others due to UA-cam restrictions (e.g. some of his more erotic work). I also must admit black and white is easier to imitate than color.
Perhaps the dismissiveness came off a bit too strong, but I do find his discussion of color interesting and how he says he uses it when he wants to introduce "vulgar" aspects (his photographs of packed meat come to mind) and you're right in that it reflects desire but of a more instinctual/carnal nature. Maybe something for a future video!