George Building Collapse | Construction worker claims pillars not strong enough to support building
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2024
- We get the latest from SABC News Reporter Lwando Nomoyi who is on the ground in George where rescue workers face a race against time to locate people trapped under debris of a collapsed building.
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Get ahold of the Architect, the environmental impact study guys.the structural engineers the building inspector the site foreman The department that passed the plan. Let them give us answers
In South Africa ?????
That will come, the most important thing now is to rescue.
@@1gerard47 Indeed ,but you understand the anger at corrupt officials passing plans ,whatever at the expense of lives .They all belong to families .Stupid South African government .Vetri EC Komani 🙏🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏
Asking a cleaner about technical engineering issues…
He is giving an opinion not the fact he is entitled to his opinion
Thats right buddy and you know what the Structural engineer is in trouble
We pray for those trapped to be quickly recovered I'm jesus name.
Honestly If The Building Was 3D printed do you believe that this would have occurred
Asking a ship deckhand how the engine of a ship works. Great journalism SABC.
He's the structural engineer. Wait till you see the architect. No wonder the house of cards collapsed.
Don't blame SABC, when there's no accountability from the city officials to the construction manager on site...who is supposed to be 16.1 in terms of SHEQ ACT
@@Mantaray911
Ok
You are probably the architect
Your DA doesn't want to come to explain they don't even want to name the culprit company so what do you want SABC do.
@@Mantaray911why was he introduced as a construction worker? At 04:10 he says "I was working like a cleaner"
We see this happening, and we never see anyone being held accountable.
Exactly. Happened in Durban with the mall collapse and I never heard anyone held accountable or facing criminal charges, actually.
This happens in South Africa, no one be held accountable for what happened.
@deenielsen9623 in South Africa justice is money. The poor cheap labour don’t have money. You can see majority are illegal immigrants and no one will beheld accountable. Remember Esidimeni case people were held accountable because of media and it was against the government. But this is private sector and media is on their side and they will tell public on how this guys create employment and we must be greatful
Cheap Labour,now you see what happens 😢😢😢.
Playing the blame game at this time is being insensitive 😒
This would not have been an issue with the labour, but at a much higher level.
Exactly 💯, cheap labour that is why DA is fighting for their illegal foreigners to stay in our country
@@amandamdambamdamba doesn't make it not any less valid.
and i think imported cheap cement from India
So a cleaner is now teling us that the "pillars" were too fae apart? Yes, ask him about his grief but not what the cause is!
It doesn't mean his stupid to and I believe it's not his first time working at such a big construction site
😂😂😂😂😂
I think he meant "Craner" a person operating a Crane and not a cleaner. What would a cleaner be doing at an unfinished construction for heavenly sake? Malawians have a problem with the letter R which is why you hear them say one land instead of one Rand. I have answered you.
@ Honeybee897 you are spot on because I know they can’t pronounce R. I also wondered what is the cleaner doing there?
That construction worker said he was a
CRANER ....not a cleaner...
3:53 This Malawian is saying there were more than 60 employees from Mozambique, so this is the reason why we say there’s no unemployment problem in South Africa, but rather a problem of illegal immigration.
spot on - but then those workers start to join unions and start mass actions and down tools.... because entitlement. Thank your socialist government.
No South Africa has no problem with illegal immigrants its white people who own restaurants, farms and construction companies who go for unskilled cheap labor , I know this people get paid around R1800 a month for working hours and hours which is something South Africans can not do. its not the immigrants that are wrong its the employers and department of labor
Accident and death has no nationality... ! Just taught about the reactions from locals when T.B Joshua building collapsed.....
Maybe it's south Africans know too much rights and lazy
When people say they not getting job because owners of means of production are employing foreigners to exploit them...
Who was the architect?
Who was the contractor?
Was this a BBBEE project?
Did they follow an open and transparent tender process?
Were propper soil samples taken to determine the carrying capacity and piillar dimensions.
Were the support structures between floors removed to soon?
These are some of the questions that must be asked.
Will you be satisfied if race has nothing to do with this?
@@LVC85costa yes, someone must be held accountable, race has got nothing to do with this.
You have valid points
I agree with everything you have highlighted, except for the BBBEE part.
@@LVC85costaOh races does have something to do with this, just not in the way this man hopes. The firm is completely white. They hired illegal workers, there have been other interviews with the workers and they have stated they are illegals of their own accord(that one was from Malawi) , the man they spoke to was only 18. If they are hiring an 18 year old illegal Malwian, how likely is it that one of the people either under the rubble or who once worked on this was under age?
SABC struggled to grasp up with informative reporting. Why would you ask a foreign national who surely is undocumented and also underpaid to speak on something he knows nothing about. This is poor reporting on a very painful situation.
How do you know that he's undocumented??
Seems there were a lot of illegal immigrants involved in this building. So far I am seeing a lot of people from Mozambique, Lesotho and Zimbabwe being interviewed
@@RastaAfricanGentleman How did you come to the conclusion that they're illegal though?? I agree that they're immigrants.
@@MrLechesathey are illegal because the skills are not scarce skills so they don't have work visa
@@Afrosoil11 Did you confirm that or just speculating?? Did they all show you their papers??
The construction worker is the one who laid pillars and he saw that they were not strong enough
Don’t tell us about someone who drew the plans
This guy knows what his talking about, he makes a lot of sense
WHY NOT INTERVIEW AN ENGINEER -
Do you undermine information from this worker because he's wearing overalls?
How do you know if he's not an engineer?
Because an engineer knows and understands that this will be subject of investigation and he/she will be legally liable
Typical racist comment - all design documents must be submitted and stored by the municipality - the next check is to determine if the correct reinforcement was fixed in the columns apart from the fact that concrete stress tests should also have been done - this is certainly not the case of simply believing a worker no matter how clever or experienced
The Engineers including the owners of this company, are being shielded by the city officials,..no where found...I wonder why??
Patrick Maseko from Malawi, that's interesting and home affairs should get involved in this investigation
Correct
Maseko is not only confined to SA alone. Know your History guys...Africans are one...Bantu...However the truth is it is probably 99.9% that the guys are undocumented migrants which like you said the home affairs should look into seriously....and punish heavily the employer not to target the poor migrants. You can never I say never control migration for as long as the pull and push factors still exist. What a country can do is to push hash penalties on those who hire their cheap poor people
You talking nonsense wena
@ aaronbreakfast1420 this guys are trying to get South African opportunities. If this guys are Nguni then why they struggle to speak Zulu or Xhosa or Swati on their arrivals in South Africa. I know they will tell you how some words are similar in both cultures but Swahili is not a language but mix of Arabic and local languages. So as Arabic traders learn the word mbuzi and they will use the same word when they get to Malawi from South Africa. Then the locals would see a white men and assume that is his language when he says mbuzi but he was just trading using key words of items he want to buy or sell. You will see words like manzi apparels to be common and means the same that’s because when they need water they had to use key words for people to understand them. Just like whites assume everyone is Zulu on South Africa they also thought the same about all Africans. So to see what do I mean when I say this are just key words common and how the Malawian got them or Zambian was because of trade with the Arabs, Chinese , Greeks and Dutch. So today ask a true Malawian to make statement asking for water and see it’s not the same like in South African Nguni language. If they can’t make sentences using the similar language but using only key words that is not language but baby language. It’s like when people says in their language baby means nana and mother means mama . This are easy sound that a baby can make they didn’t have meaning but we made them to help baby identify people that are important . Hence even white people use that sound “mama” to mean mother in baby language. Will you say whites and blacks speak the same language because of 10 of few words intended to bridge barrier of communication and the answer is no
Admittedly this was an unprofessional interview. However, as investigations unfold, I hope that transparency amongst all those involved from design to construction, prevails. Let us learn from this tragedy. Let us hold accountable those responsible for oversights or negligence. We owe it to the victims and their families to prevent such disasters in the future.
Why do you say it was unprofessional?
I'm just seeking to understand.
Irresponsible journalism. Why get the opinion of a labourer, not an engineer?
Engineers won't be guessing
He is equally important as your so called engineer. He was working on site. Building the same property which collapse
Are the engineers trapped or died?
This guy to testify against the engineers about his approval of the column design will be interesting to watch.
Oh yes indeed
Its not gonna be just him. Its also going to be all injured parties and the fact that the whole building is now in the basement.
Shows how reckless the country is being run
...absolutely, how dare Ramaphosa didn't make sure that the private developer did his job properly 🥱
Indeed. In DA governed George Western Cape.
This is very unfair basing a whole interview on the words of someone who is not qualified to make the conclusion that is in your headline.
sabc...what a buncha r'soles!!!
Speak the truth! The truth must not be buried
yes, let's believe this guy, he looks like a structural engineer. It's like asking a baggage handler at the airport, why an aeroplane crashed that he loaded baggage onto 🤦♂️
Architects, builders etc have a lot to explain. Money shortcut? Did municipal inspections, which are key, take place at given times?
The spans between pillars were very big 😢
Building Engineers must be hold accountable and stop asking general workers.
Don't speak to a man who wasn't involved in the incident. Speak to a ingineur or a person qualified to give the correct information
Such an incident is not of any surprise to me. It is amazing how many role players you get in such projects, who simply provide signatures on documents without doing their work properly. Your architect, structural engineer (working remotely, away from the site), contractor (the useless one with the bakkie and phone glued to his ear), the subcontractor (the poor unqualified guy doing most of the work) and the NHBRC inspector that never inspects (but charges for the registration of the plan). Just went through a nightmare of building a new property in Kouga, hence know all about these sad practises! So, I doubt it, if even, the engineer, will give you the correct information.
And you think the people on the ground who do the physical assembly of these buildings can't tell wrong from right according to their experience in the field or are undeserving of an opinion?
are there still any white engineers left in the country
He is being interviewed as a worker and questions are about his observations,he don't need to be an expert .
Yes expects are being interviewed on TV on most updates, but at this point this particular reporting is to do with this worker ahs what he observed and I see nothing wrong with that
Condolences for the families of deceased workers. Prayers for everyone involved in saving those poor trapped workers. What a terrifying nightmare. I don't wish this to ever happen to my worst enemy. Praying for miracles.
I didn't care about politics. This guy is exposing himself.
To pinpoint a challenge, is it politics any whatever involves human being is politics. He is telling his observation nothing else.
Too much foreigners in the Country, in every incident it's foreigners on the frontline
Every i tv station is nterviewing illegal and legal immigrants on our behalf.
Just say black illegal foreigners because every so called white person is legal, and cannot be negatively targated in SA
This is such sad news of the building that had collapsed my deepest condolences to those families who have lost a family member as well as friends i pray that the people who are still trapped under neath can be saved soon
Where is the guy or company that was constructing here?
Can't understand why they don't bring expert rescue personnel from Gauteng to assist.
The quiet, little activity and few rescue workers (200) for an emergency rescue operation of this size of a 5 storey build collapse are worrisome.(should be at least 1500 rescue workers)
The many piles of bricks,dirt and rubble around the site also could have been removed by now.
The pace looks incredible slow as if they're unsure what to do..Some rescue workers walking all over blocks of concrete,dirt and bricks instead of throwing or moving it to a location to be moved out of way.This lethargic efforts are going to impact negatively on the de-layoring rescue efforts .😢.
I belive they have brought professionals from Gauteng.
As a local, there is no space to fit that many rescue workers. This happened in a small street and you will see previous videos about how they moved rescue cars to make space, etc. The families are also waiting in a different area and Im sure that is due to space. Please follow the George Herold for updates.
Also, the whole building is lying on debris, which I don't know if you have ever played Jenga, but if one piece moved it could cause more collapses. And if you have followed the whole process you will see that the areas they are walking on now have previously been searched and declared safe. (also see how they use red lines to see when the concrete shifts, etc).
So there is a reason why everything is happening the way it is. It is so fast to become a keyboard warrior but lets rather salute the real handful of heroes that don't wear capes and pray for their safety as well as the trapped souls.
@@denverkruger237 They have yes. The experts from Cape Town arrived a few hours after the incident and more experts were on their way from Gauteng as well.
Perhaps they want to make sure that all survivors are gone so that they avoid the red tape. They're indeed very slow
I belive that the pace is slow for a reason.You don't rush in and move concrete etc because falling debris can cause further damage/injury to those who are trapped -in fact rushing in and moving debris hastily is likely to lead to the death of any potential survivors.Well done to the rescue teams who went in with a plan and who stuck to that plan.I salute you all for your service.@@mosalethoba5267
ANC / SABC journalism at it's finest 🤣🤣🤣
What an unacceptable and insensitive comment coupled with laughing mojis. Sis maan
@@amandamdambamdamba tell me one thing I said that is not factual? The SABC and ANC have squandered billions. A bunch of clowns that have no idea what they are doing. Same thing for the post office and SAA.
@@amandamdambamdamba what did I say that is not factual?
WHO IS THE CONTRACTOR?
All the people interviewed so far (employees and families) were NOT South African...so...enough said 👀🤔
How does he know is he a civil engineer 😢😢
@Ginger4789: Do you think workers are Untermenschen incapable of making informed observations?
Didn't you hear him it's his abservation he is a worker so he know something
Asking a labourer's opinion, really
@vivicohen199 yes. They are labourers not engineers
Maybe he knew, more sand then Cement was used in the mixed of the Pillars.
Hi. All new building sites are hiring migrant workers because our people are too lazy to work.
You talking nonsense it all about cheap labour.You people you think we are stupid who build this country before this foreigners came here
This country foreigners like because how beautiful it is it was build by South Africans.
It's common cause that pillars (columns) or beams were not strong enough
Not necessarily...the foundations, slabs or beams may not have been adequate. That is why you get someone who knows what they are talking about to analyze the drawings and the site
On any construction, the Building Inspector has the final say. To proceed or not! If the design was not to standard or then proper building methods were not adhered to or even inferior building materials were used and or applied - The Building Inspector has the final say - my question is where is the Building Inspector?
They don't actaul..
The engineer takes full responsibility for this type of structure..
Unless they have building inspector who is a registered engineer..
Ja u is reg die bou inspektuer is die man wat sien Dat Allen volgens plan uitgevoer word
You are so confidently wrong.
The line of responsibility is in the documentation and is not the same for every building site. Some areas of responsibility may fall on the architect, engineer and other parties, all for the same project. For smaller projects the bulk of responsibility may fall on the architect.
@@Feirin332 also wrong.
Condolences to the families.
This is sensation from the SABC
If he was so concerned about the strength of the columns, why did he not address his concerns with foreman/resident engineer on site or even approach the engineering council before the disaster happened.
He's a cleaner, probably illegal in the country.. his opinion wouldn't have been heard.
@@loveandlight3486 I understand your reasoning, and it's unfortunate that some people feel unable to speak up because they think they don’t have the 'right' background or experience. However, this should not be an excuse for complacency. If he had voiced his concerns to the engineering council or the responsible engineer and was still ignored, this oversight would need to be addressed. But at least he could demonstrate that he took all the necessary steps to raise awareness about his concerns. This could also empower others with similar perceptions, regardless of their background or experience, to speak up when they see unsafe practices.
Civil Engineers need to be held accountable for this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting. Seems like not South African employees.
@howdiynot: Your point being ....?
Rubbish
Was thinking the same thing, 60 odd foreigners and they say theres no work in South Africa.... Probably cheap labour.
This is not the time! Please man!
@@vivicohen199cheap labour..??
Where are the SAns, where were they working?
@@NYGlobal-ye7prgot nothing to do with them. The contractor has to explain this..
@@moegamatdollie What do you mean? White people are the only ones that hire illegal immigrants. The reason is cheap labour of course. The fact that this guy is not a South African says it all
They were probably striking
@@patrickcannell2258The contractor was a white firm, what are you talking about?
@mamotalemankoe3775 got nothing to do with race. Guilty is Guilty if proven in a court of law.
They is no single South African working here only foreigners.. this is how its will look like when DA ANC AND EFF ARE ON POWER
Is this man a foreigner from Malawi? Why are South Africans not working on this construction site when unemployment is 40%? How much do these foreigners earn a day compared to South Africans?
They are Employed in South Africa so they can vote for The ANC while they are Stealing Jobs from South Africans that are Suffering Financially and that are Jobless.
Construction Industry is not hiring South Africans, the gentleman being interviewed here has just confirmed that.
Could they possibly tunnel underneath to get to those still trapped?
New age engineers and BBEEE doesn't work..
Do you know the engineers? Are you certain that they are Blacks?
Or you are just full of hatred of Africans in Africa...
I really doubt a black engineer would have got the chance to be involved in the design of a building in the DA ran municipality...
Highly unlikely that there was BEE involved here. These are your folks, lol
Neo Trend Real Estate was the builder. They are a white firm, not a single non-white is an executive. You see you have been conditioned not to use your brain. Do just a bit of research before being racist.
Unskilled artisans
Reinforcing steel, concrete and foundations not up to spec.
Site foreman, engineer, building inspectors not focused and suitable qualified all possibly contribute to the catastrophic structural failure.
Very Sad situation,
A cleaner making an Engineering judgement what a Joke SABC
Lucky him not working monday.Dangerous allogations. Undocumented? Why work in RSA
He has a South African surname, to my surprise
@@mosesnkosi4252exactly.. Maseko from Malawi 🤔
Have you ever think of Bantu@loveandlight3486
@mosesnkosi4252 africa is a global village unfortunately your there geographically south, try to explore to north or west that's when you will realize that those names you claim are not a big deal
The surname Maseko is also found in Malawi, it is a Ngoni name ..related to Zulu migration up into Malawi, amongst others the region South of Dedza in central Malawi .
I have experience on this building collapse on one of a projects I worked, the designer engineer or structural need to answer here, especially if isn't fully registered with their council, & a safety officer/ manager supposed noticed that, backfilling testing from the lab, soil test.... BAD ABOUT IT people died...
Mmmh it's Malawi
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Who is the Building Contractor and the Structural Engineer ?
Patrick was asked a question and gave his own answer. He has lost friends. He is upset. Maybe he was also appointed as a spokesperson. But Journalist could consider his questions. But the biggest part of this interview is not his opinion about the construction.
People are so amazing how do they expect engineers and management to be interviewed, those people wont even be available it will take some months to estabkish what happened. The safety officer, the structural engineer, scaffolding designer, and senior foreman and concrete foreman will only talk after not now.
😢😢😢🙏
I think that the DA and the contractors, development company are rushing around tryying to sort out this miss. Illegal immigrants, cheap labour, bypassung the Department of Labour, and labour regulations. As well as issues with regulations on site. Where were the foreman and inspectors 24/7 on site. Unqualified workers? Substanard materials, cutting corners. What could possibly go wrong? HUMAN NEGLIGENCE AND ERROR.
Totally reasonable assumption by the worker. There are other possibilities, such as poor material, haste, structural overload.
But more pillars would not have been a mistake, all things considered.
Where is this?
The municipal inspector ran away. He's gone, he's from Ghana
So , he is gone...nuh?
This is bad. How on earth can you bring cleaners from Malawi to George in Western Cape? Is there a tangible reason for that? It might be the construction company is hiding something. We just pray for the victims and their families.
The reason they are using people from Malawi and other counties is that they are cheaper, faster, reliable and they don't strike.
@gertfurstenburg4166 Nonsense! Putting people's lives in danger because of them being cheaper. Look where faster brought them. You sound like that white boss who's using people. 1 day you'll go and be a foreigner in another country and hope they also pay you for cheap labor. The difference between you and this Malawian his probably illegally in the country, and you will be legal in a foreign country. We have all the right to strike when we are not happy because of your mentality, thinking people must continue being slaves after years of democracy.
@@gertfurstenburg4166That's a nice way of saying you can exploit them.
I find it strange that if the person was aware of the design flaws why did he remain on site and did not warn his co-workers. If a person is aware of an unsafe condition at his workplace he has the responsibility to bring it under the attention of his supervisor and vacate the area until it is safe. If his supervisor do not want to listen to the advice of the worker, the worker could have reported the matter to the authorities. The last thing any company want to experience is to have injuries and fatalities at there place of work. Our harts goes out to those who got injured and died.
What I thought exactly…. Easy to say now that he knew it!!!
This guy is a cleaner The reporter is interviewing the wrong person
Why are you not mentioning the construction company name?
This whole building was built in a dodgy manner and I am surprised that they continued with the work regardless of questionable things from the first stage of it!
Cheap labor
To those saying he is not an engineer, who taught the first engineer if i may ask? Or it was just general knowledge of different individuals?
Usually, these buildings collapse when the building contractor did not follow the struct instructions of the engineer regarding the binding guidelines of the steel at the ground level section of the pillars. This would not have been negligence on the part of the structural engineer, nor the steel supplier, who always follow rules regarding this. 1 inch of steel wiring not bound correctly or at the exact overlap length can cause an entire building to collapse. The onus falls on the building contractor to follow the guidelines set about by the engineer. Suspect there was an error in calculation somewhere, or just blatant neglect/ignorance.
You know it is easy to ask the worker he can say anything that people can eat for cake. How does he know about pillars ,concrete , reinforce steel and so and so on. We deliver bricks and I had to go to a building site once to see about the workers demanding that my crane operator put the packs of bricks on the first level of the building or they do not sign for the bricks. I refused and ask the lazy laborer who will take responsability if the slab can't carry 20 to 25 tons of bricks at one unseported space. So ja if you can not calculate that you must just carry the bricks up wheel barrow by wheel barrow and spred bricks evenly where they build. That is all you can do otherwise go studdy then you are in charge and know about load bearing. Stupiddety and lazyness can kill people.
You can't build a flat without pillars.most from the foundation must be two mtrs from the ground
As a matter of fact you can. You can have your slabs supported on load bearing walls up to a safe load which an engineer will calculate
So sad
Prayers to those affected, it,s a tragedy, one more thing who is going to compensate the deceased who are not registered and undocumented??
Yes he speaking the truth. But what does he know he is just labour. The party to blame here is the client wanting to fit more parking spaces and tenants.
Was the Company who done the work Registerd with the MBA
Im not an engineer,but by looking at the rubble(u can see the different floors),tell me that something went wrong at the bottom of the structure(dust first come from the bottom)
Foreigners. I did say. Cheap labour for these companies.
What wad the difference of the and size of the pillars
That alone won't tell you why the building collapsed
Sometimes the so called Professionals don't listen to people on the ground.I was a Professional now on pension and I learned the most from the people on the ground not just from text books.
...according to the people on the ground, what should be the size and spacing for columns designed to carry a 5 storey apartment building with a double basement level and no use of load bearing brick walls?
Sad
Can the municipality/community of George please setup a fund for the families affected. Clearly the employers are not bothered.
Are we now in Nigeria where building plans don’t need approval before construction?
So they hired foreigners??
Illegal foreigners
It's painful but for non documented 😢😢
He is fired.....
Kind of engineers we have in South Africa
Structural engineer must held accountable and the design team
Why. You are more worried with the structural engineer. What about all these illegal foreigners in jobs that South Africans should be doing. After, this is our country, not theirs!!
Then there will be a tender to investigate the cause of the colapse, eish 😢!!!
There is a handful of Sa'ns who were working in this building & some were trainee students who trained at a skills college, am from George.
Did I hear the Journalist say the Guy is Patrick Maseko no wonder something like this has happened how can such people change their names and surnames their ancestors have turned their backs on them
How does a Malawian become a "Maseko"??🤣🤣
Mr Journalist.....ask that guy that question......
Condolences to the families
Easy - maybe he had a Nguni father, say a South African from Maseko family but a Malawian father. So he grew up in Malawi at his mother's family and when grown up, he moves to SA, the land of his father's family - that's one way Malawian can become a Maseko, or rather, a Maseko can become a Malawian
The contractor is responsible for this incident under the health and safety act. Lets see who they are.
Who build that place?
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This gent is highly technical- I’m sure that’s why the explanation is going about people’s heads.
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This was not a council building the plans were drawn up and passed for development last year the company Neo Trend Group ice projects are a private construction company they are registered with NHBS it appears like the developer in this case used a lot of possibly unqualified Labour to Cary out some of the work workers from Malawi and Zimbabwe possibly cheap labour the responsibility should fall on the site engineer and the site foreman possible scenario the cement mix was substandard and not up to spec and the concrete support pillars did not have enough steel reinforcement and perhaps for the size there was not enough support pillars this building was a 5 storey apartment block with underground carpark and 42 flats this is quite a large structure but this is all speculation untill the full investigation is done which will take a long time they are still trying to Rescue any workers that might still be alive before attempting the massive task of lifting large bases of concrete a big thanks to all the rescue workers who are involved in this operation
Correct sir
Why did this guy not point out his observation earlier during the building process… easy now to say this and that!!!
Nothing with what Patric was saying experience counts bd Patric could be rite and experienced enough to question the.added alterations on the top floor if the load bearing pillars were not adequately designed to carry the alterations on the top floor ..this tradgedy could be a design fault that's for sure