How much does it cost to train an F-22 pilot?
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2024
- The United States operates some of the most advanced and capable tactical aircraft ever to take to the skies, but what does it cost to train the pilot? The answer is... more than you might think.
Back in 2019, the U.S. Air Force worked with the RAND Corporation to conduct an analysis of what the branch spends on bonuses and incentive pay aimed at retaining existing pilots, versus the cost of recruiting and training new pilots to replace them.
Here's the rundown.
Alex: “Only takes 1.3 million to take someone off the street and make them a C17 pilot.”
Me: this is going to be bad
Just hire Growling Sidewinder. He is ready to go day 1
Honestly he’d potentially make a great drone pilot
Had a nice, loud laugh. Thanks for that one. In all seriousness, A) he's Canadian B) he actually would have some chops to make it easier to train him on tactics and such C) drone commander GS? Maaaaaybe?
Get the GrimReapers.
A lot of dcs players would be great drone pilots
@@Floki255 Just what I was gonna say. Repair costs might be a bit high though, especially in cockpit replacements. ;-)
It's crazy expensive to get someone off the street through all of their specialty training.
Worth every penny. Keep them men safe and lethal fighters that way we stay out in front. "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
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So I guess after your training Noone can say your not worth a dime.
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And after you get them trained you still have the ongoing expense of continuing training to keep them sharp.
*Yes it's like, once you build a drone it lasts forever and there's no need to ever repair it.*
*Get Sober*
Ya the actual training, ranges and flight hours are way more than the initial qualification.
Well yeah youngster don’t you believe in staying shape or understanding the facts of life ????????? HHMMM!!!??
Never heard the more you sweat in training the less “ YOU BLEED IN BATTLE “. ????
Money well spent. The trainers don't let them go until they're the best they can be.
I need to learn how to start training pilots immediately
Pros and cons of AI pilots
Pros:
* AI pilots follow orders
* No loss of human life, skill and experience because the AI pilot will be backed up on a server somewhere
* Experience for failed missions/flights due to crashes or other problems can be learnt from and the AI pilot can be updated and upgraded
* AI pilots will have more accuracy and manoeuvrability then human pilots (especially for high G sustained Manouvers)
* specific and unique experiences that one generation of human pilots can be lost and not introduced to new human pilots. AI pilots (assuming the data is transferred before the data is lost) will have a greater likelihood of keeping generational skills and experiences
* AI pilots do not get tired, need to go to the toilet, require leave and rest
* Ai pilots do not get depressed so there is no risk of PTSD or suicide
* AI pilots follow orders
Cons:
* AI pilots follow orders
* AI pilots are at risk of getting hacked
* AI pilots are at risk of EMPs
* AI pilots are at risk of communication blackout resulting in no orders to follow ( this can cause the AI pilot to return to base which can be used against itself)
* AI pilots (at lest for now) have vary limited programming which means the AI pilot can only respond to specific and limited situations
* AI pilots (at lest for now) cannot adapt to new and unforeseen circumstances and overcome them
* AI pilots (at lest for now) do not have the hardware to be as situationally aware as human pilots
As of the 2020s AI pilots are are vary limited in what they can do and human pilots completely outclass them and human pilots will remain for decades to come.
However AI (just like any technology) will improve over time and if the human form does not improve itself mentally or physically then inevitably AI pilots will rule the sky’s.
Please fell free to add to this list
I have one
AI pilots are not human and will do all the evil shit the politicians want done but the men will not do for them.
at the end of the day, the most important component in a military aircraft is the one with their hands on the stick!
So the hookers right off base?
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I would love to see that breakdown.
There's a huge amount that goes into the training
The cost of fuel alone would be unbelievable.
each C-17 can also be used , unmodified, to carry & launch 45 stealthy AGM-158 cruise missiles per sortie from a standoff position well outside the range of enemy air defenses. no SEAD needed.
Wow. I'd love to see a video giving a rough breakdown on training and cost estimates.
I played Afterburner my entire childhood...I am fully qualified!
This clearly is full cost of counting in that every minute of time is allocated to include not only direct compensation, but full expense line item breakouts for every piece of hardware, R&D, software, weapon systems, fuel, maintainers, room and board, chow, prophylactics (hell, I bet a fella could have a pretty good time with that kit in Vegas), cash envelopes for congressmen (err... meetings w/constituent business job creators) etc...
You get the point. And as it should, to a degree. All the same, much of those line items & a ton more not listed would also be considered sunk costs that would be spent regardless.
Without requesting nor expecting too much specificity, do you have macro feedback to give a clearer picture when taking perhaps just the idea itself into consideration? Great job, as always.
Do these totals include ROTC college expenses, or are they post-college totals?
If they don’t then it’s a stupid study
They do
Yes, It's from the very top of the funnel.
You have to have a degree before they'll even look at you to be a pilot....or even a non-flying officer.
This guy has great content.
If anyone’s wondering, yes that’s why they send in special forces to retrieve downed pilots and other personnel. The aircraft is one thing but the reusable pilots & personal are expensive to replace.
I would require a 20yr. commitment. With better pay than any airlines.
with this price tag
you're locked in for 20 years until you retire or die 😂☠🙏😱😃
Na best you get is Passover twice and kicked out, or fly for few years then admin.
So they rescue the training, the investment, not the man. Hard cold, but true
What do you mean?
@@andrewday3206 They recover downed pilots because of the investment in time, money they represent. The cost
In the battle of Britain they had aircraft, but not pilots
Pilots are an expensive weapon
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And pilots with experience are a limited resource. A pilot with a couple decades of military experience is more valuable than the aircraft often times.
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Who ever came up with those prices is the same person that spent 70 thousand dollars on 12 office chairs. No thats not a typo. Seventy thousand dollars for twelve chairs.
Would love to see the proof of that! I have an open mind.
@@hitmusicworldwide the EPA 2019. It was a massive news story.
You could probably find dozens of examples like that from office chairs to coffee machines.
Those kinds of accounting lines probably mask some secret black-ops stuff going on. Nobody's going to write "70k for the intern at Skunkworks".
*It'll cost 2 billion to get 5 AI fighter jets let alone servicing them.*
*Anyone with the grain of brain and knowledge in electronics prices will know what I'm talking about.*
*You're not leaving an empty space, you're filling it with special purpose electronic parts that costs as months worth salary of that pilot.*
*The more older the machine, the more expensive it gets; not mentioning its servicing.*
*Check out the price of Reaper drone before and today.*
Under valued in my opinion. Trained F 22 pilots are priceless so cost shouldn't be estimated as it is an ongoing training.
And this is another win for AI pilots because if the aircraft goes down you don’t need to spend millions of dollars and years of training to have a new pilot when you can just copy and paste the AI into a new aircraft
Also the skill of the AI will always increase whilst every generation you have to train someone new up from scratch were individual skill and experience is lost
I never considered any of this. Given the points you made above, it seems that AI piloted aircraft are inevitable.
@@X19-x5f that being said the biggest or longest lasting/most difficult to overcome of AI pilots would be problem solving and reacting to unforeseen situations
To quote “no plan survives contact with the enemy”
AI will be able to out preform human pilots but they can only react to limited situations
Not only that, people can be focused to make aircraft and the AI better and make the cyber security better to reduce risks of a hay wire or cyber attacks
I think Euro-fighter pilots are the same price to train up to that level as well from what I watched on a doco about the RAF.
Lord Taiwin will say "madness, complete madness"
how much for a sesna?
And they have to be smart enough to do what you're training them for
damn at the beginning of the video I was thinking "okay Top gun pilot? I'll say 7million?"
I'm surprised that would only get you an a-10 warthog pilot!?
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thats for the stats!
The costs are based on Aircraft $ per flight hour. But with Flight Simulators today that cost can be Greatly reduced.
I think a lot of this expenditure will be ordnance training bombs and missiles are expensive and the f-35 is so expensive bc of how much maintenance costs (RAM is very expensive and needs to be applied to the f-35 every so often).
Where is bro getting these numbers from??? Where your sources at bro??
Is the cheaper cost of the F-35 training partially due to their interoperability within the 3 major branches of the military?
i'd argue that the cheaper to train C-17 pilots actually get more bang for the buck considering the multiplier effect of logistics in terms of readiness.
Southwest Airlines, American Delta and United thank you
This is why the sixth generation is manned/unmanned teaming and the F-16 is being automated. Expensive pilots do that to you.
DCS VR brings the cost down considerably less.
Growling Sidewinder intensifies =P
I would bet most of that cost is maintenance from required hours of flying
Reasonable value for money, when you consider what it cost to fire a single missile at a Chinese balloon
So this is the reason they are creating AI pilots.
Not really; robots malfunction more often and the more complex the robot, the higher price tag.
That and computer pilots dont have the same physical restrictions as human pilots, they don't need to use the bathroom, get tired, pass out from the g forces, etc. The plane also doesn't need a cockpit so it can be designed differently. The nose doesn't need to be a heavy protected box, you don't need life support systems, or ejection seats.
@@cr4zyj4ck America will continue to try this, for now drones take the role of un-man warfare and sacrifice itself with no risk for now it cost the DoD too much money for Pentagon budget.
@@Only_God_Is_Allah_SWT Just like with any other robot: it doesn't need to be perfect. It simply needs to be better than you.
We've been building jets that can handle g forces better than humans for decades. Humans are squishy, and require a ton of protection. If you don't have to factor that in the jet, yeah, why would you?
More for Navy Pilots since carrier landings are additional training.
Now that's a good investment
A big stick will stop a fight in its tracks. A plane's big stick stops 'em even faster.
dont these include salary of everyone involved that get paid even if the decided not to train any pilot?
So true, but that's actually quite cheap when you consider what the cost is of not training those pilots to fight and win. Meaning you invest in them to ensure you don't loose your nation or have your economy controlled by another nation. In today's world that could be the Communist Leader Xi or even Russia's Putin. I don't think any U.S. Citizen would even consider that XI or Putin would put their nations economy above or on par with the U.S. economy if they were in control of it. On a side note, to put this into perspective in funds on a military expense, the ONE F22 had demonstrated it can easily take out fifteen F-15EX's, which is actually more capable than any of our enemies aircraft. So when you compare the cost of training one F-22 pilot vs fifteen F-15EX pilots it's not that much. Thanks for the video Alex quite nice. You should do one on the cost to a nation of not having an up to date air defense capability. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
Our Canadian army bought 88 F-35A so it will cost a lot to trained our pilots...
*Do you even have any idea what will be the cost of unmanned fighter jet operated by AI?*
*You're not emptying the space by ejecting the pilot out of the equation; you're adding in more electronics that costs as much as five or even ten pilots in his place.*
*One CPU of such aircraft costs as five monthly salaries of that pilot.*
Speaking as Joe Schmo. K, cool. When can I start?
The major part of the cost comes from how many training flights one takes
Consider one cycle of flight its a real beef
Target practice ammo expenses and fuel etc
Probably insignificant when compared to the potential cost of not training them. Quite frankly I’d rather own the cost of pilot training than I would like to see us move to a totally unattended fleet.
Most Pilots I met knew how to Fly before they were even considered. When these guys and girls have graduated from the USAFA they are already pilots. They DON'T pick Joe Smoe off the street to fly anything.
Just what is this about ??? Don’t people seem to know the simple old adage “. The more you sweat in training the less you bleed in battle.!!! “
A drop in the bucket. The yearly USA military budget, is 800 plus billion dollars.
And that is why we have CSAR
Airlines should be changed an annual fee for 10 years when they hire an ex service pilot. That money should be used for military pilot pretension.
thats probably enough to buy an ice cream
That's nuts, but what does it cost to train an already trained, say F-15 pilot. I get it costs to train the F-15 pilot too. But say he/she started as a B-52 pilot. Then went to a B-1 to a F-15, then an F-22? My question is does it get less expensive pulling from the pool of trained pilots the Air Force has from one platform to another? Because that's typically what happens right? Or am I absolutely wrong?
Its a million to get one seal through buds!
They should farm that out to southwest airlines
I’d love to have learnt how to fly the A10 but being Aussie and 60 that’s never going to happen.
I thought a Joystick and a kill is good enough like battlefield game does
Ahh so like 3 missiles and a beer
POV: You have DCS installed
I know these numbers and have educated people on the costs but few believed me lol
Most of these are kind of deceiving. The bombs on these aircraft and upkeep of the maintainence on the aircraft. So they have to calculate the training of the maintainers, parts, bombs, the salary of the pilot, salary of maintainers, etc.
Hire grim reaper he will train u to fly any plane in 1 week 😂
And for a b2 stealth bomber?
About as much. 12 mil.
Wots it matter wen the lowly public are forced to foot the bill anyway?
What the government never heard of Microsoft flight simulator? $59.99. They just added the F35 mod
Don’t get any ideas, we don’t have money to feed hungry kids free lunch at school.
-Congress
God bless the RAND corp. We need more objective government overwatch.
Ill take a dozen M1A2Cs then. Ill augment air defense with VADS and Chaparelles
Because of bureaucracy
1 warthog school please
How much did it cost Americans to figure out these costs ?
He said Unit
One thing tho about the f-22 and f-35 u could take a person off the street and they could actually fly the jets. Should they? No but could they? Yes. They ai computer assisted controls in those anticipates all most everything and actually controls the jet with micro movements hundreds to thousands of times a second. I just tell it where by kinda pointing it does the rest. Same for take off and landing. It does that automatically too and throttle as well. And u could go stupid on the controls it will not let you over g the wings or destroy it. It takes you right to the mechanical failure points but doesn’t let you exceed them. Now flying it and using it to its optimal potential is another thing. But they are like 20 year in the future flying iPhones.
IN this technology You get what you pay for…wouldn’t you agree?
Cool
“Only”
I want to be in f 22 raptor pilot
Small change for a world super power and the planet's largest economy of 330 million people protecting global allies. What I'm interested in is how many jobs are generated by this enterprise. I'm sure this effort has a multiplier effect on every part of the economy and influence on technology and economic competitiveness as a whole. One branch of the militaries costs and expenditure are just one side of the equation. There's are all the income generated by excellence.
Hire the Chinese to do it. Much cheaper labor of course.
What’s the difference between civilian and Joe shmo
Flight sims can change that
I don't think they could train me to fly. Not even on games
another reason to go pilotless planes
Chump change, and worth it.
You mean "wing."
13.1 Mill well spent 😂
Depends on how many planes they ruin in training.
That's why I wanted everyone to open their eyes there is no way the Ukraine is getting f-16s and being combat proficient Pilots within six months combat-ready???
I'm gonna be real with ya chief, this guy is the literal embodiment of soyjack, I like the videos not shorts where I'm seeing his face
So why is the military budget so big?🤣🤣
They should aim to reduce the cost with the help of AI.
No worries, soon some chatbot will fly those F-22
Ummm no we do not need that. To many corrupt evil politicians that will definitely use and abuse a machine with no conscience to very evil things
@@illinidave the devil's asshole..
AI can do all of this. Just need someone to sit in the seat....
Yowza. 13.5 million. Oof.
Give or take $400K.
WOW, the Air Force should just hire some cheaper foreign workers.
Can anyone say drones.
Gad damn that's a lot of money, imagine multiplying that by 200,000 😲