THE Most Powerful Air Hammers You Can Buy Head to Head
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
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Who's the top dog among air hammers? In .498" shank is bigger better? More $ more power? We test the infamous CP717, the new comer Thor 498K bored over 7X air hammer and a massive 9X CP4289 to find out. Any bigger and our air hammer dyno is going to be kaput and all future data lost. So let's see who takes the top spot!
As always, Torque who started this channel is working in product development for Astro Tools who also make the 498K air hammer in this video. TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources!
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You can find the best performing air hammers that we've tested on Amazon page here: www.amazon.com/shop/torquetestchannel We've covered the full range of air hammers our rig can survive from, so suggest stuff you'd like to see included that we've missed. Such as hardware store air hammer options for one.
Torque who started this channel is working in product development for Astro Tools who were also included in this episode, which is worth knowing! We're not the only testing and voice out there when it comes to tools, always consider multiple sources!
on the topic of thors, have you guys seen TZTOOLs 1/2" super air impact wrench made in taiwan? It looks identical to the Astro Thor impact...
I didn’t see Aircat? I really wanted to know if they actually could make one less noisy but just as powerful, like they claim
@@karlgutenburg9176 Bought one, tested it, left a review. Similar to the OEM Tools that looks the same as well, different internals. Even the people who say "nah it's basically the same" take it apart and are like "oh well, it's just the motor design and size here that's all" haha
@@Ak3rn0 Air hammers aren't loud because they are air tools. If you use them against your hand they are quiet. It's hitting steel v steel that's loud, no way to slap on a muffler and solve that
@@TorqueTestChannel sorry, did you leave a review or test it online here? I might have missed it.
At that price per pound ratio the Thor really backs up it's words with hard blows.
What a game changer. My shoulder is worn out from 40+ years of swinging a short handle 10 lb. hammer. mainly from truck Budd style stud replacements. Big Nasty has been a game changer in getting steel to move. A real body saver.
They really are. I've air hammered out ball joints from a w126 mercedes front knuckle with the harbor freight chief air hammer. One came out easy and the other took more time because it was rusted in place.
I knew air hammers existed but never seen them in use nor ever had the use for one. But after this video I just realized how much time and effort I could’ve saved
@@hydroflak4543 I'm with ya, I never had a need for one, but buying one of the cheaper models that still performs decent and stashing it in my shop for that time I actually need it, is probably a smart move
@@jefftucker9225 Oh yes, all I have is the $50 junior/buzzy I-R air hammer and it's so much better than nothing! Stuck rotors and drums (hammer bit), ball joints and tie rods with a pickle fork attachment, chisel attachment for ball joint rivets.
I just started that 40 yrs by buying a short handle 10lb hahaha
I wish this changed existed 10 years ago because I’d never have wasted money on certain tools. I love the channel.
i really appreciate the amount of work you do on this channel
I used ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
You should watch their video on the dcf900. ua-cam.com/video/hd7PFxvptBk/v-deo.htmlsi=9RQrmY09mgInTamS
The air hammer series is so entertaining, keep up the awesome videos
I’m a little surprised Thor came so close to the cp4289. Thanks for the great comparison video!
Please do a video on the Swench, the manual impact wrench! It seems to have a lot more power than corded impacts and so would be interesting to see how it goes!
If more .401 hammers are tested, may I suggest a made in USA Honsa HTOP-38 13T. It is their largest 4x .401 hammer, but is advertised to be 25% more powerful due to having a heavier tungsten piston. I own the non-tungsten HTOP-38, and it is a very hard hitter with a great trigger in its own right.
I finally used the 114GQC I bought to remove some brick and mortar to install an outside receptacle. For never having used an air hammer nor doing any masonry work before, it turned out shockingly well. I shot competitive in a former life, so maybe that helped with trigger control, but I was able to remove the mortar from the surrounding bricks without damaging them.
just binged watched all the torqe loss videos thru 1/2" extensions and it changed the way i work on my cars!! you sir have earned my subscription but after the railway gun videos you deserve it!!
Thanks for all the work put in to these tests! Much appreciated.
I'd bought that long throw IR years ago as I'd been told it does work. And it most certainly has when I've used it. Good to see that the lil $130 IR takes a decently more expensive hammer to be outdone. As i don't use it often the higher priced hammers aren't really reasonable. Is nice to see the numbers show I made a solid purchase for my use
In the factory I used to work in we formed the rivets cold, don't know the size of the head but the body was 15mm in diameter. The tool we used were hydraulic, shaped like a huge c-clamp or a micrometer, they put out around 40 tons (~88'000lb). They were nice and quiet but if you were a bit sleepy and came onto the rivet at an angle the "form tool" fixed to the cylinder would snap with a loud plinking sound.
Worked at a tractor repair shop many years ago. The shop hammer looked like the one @0:45 but was red. And they had lots of hammers and chisels that looked store bought. Don't know if it was modified to use smaller shank tools or if you can get a variety of larger shank tools if you know where to look. But if you find out I want to know, cause that thing was a beast. I'd happily pay 315 for one. It just seemed like a normal hammer that worked. All the other hammers I've used since just seem like toys. It really wasn't that big. The long ones in your video wouldn't be much shorter. It hammered slow, but you could see it do real work with each blow.
Sounds like a CP chipping hammer.
I can't post links here but search CP chipping hammer and see what comes up.
I really wanted see this!! Thanks for testing this!
Perfect timing,thanks for doing this important work!
A BIG bore APT 800 sold on eBay yesterday for $319, this is the baddest .498 pistol grip riveter made. At least from what I have seen, I've been out of the air tool game for 15 years so they might have stronger units now (but I doubt it) I sold surplus aerospace tools for 20 years after working at Douglas Aircraft for 15 years.
Really impressive test. Thanks for the video.
Having wielded the power of Thor for over a year, these results are not a surprise.
Bits are considered a disposable commodity for this air hammer, it will destroy any edge or point and not even notice until the job is done.
Thank you for this content, been on the market for a .498
Big Nasty getting it done! It just can't be beat for the money. I own different Astro and Chicago Pneumatic tools and both companies make high quality products. I've only had to use Astro's customer support once and they stood behind their tool's warranty with great customer service.
Great job, I really love these videos
i wasn't a big fan of the longer shank air hammers but they do kick some butt...i needed the smaller barrel for tighter spots and more trigger control...i guess I was wrong about power after all these yrs but the shorter one did what I needed it to do....great review
idk what got me into watching these videos but i really enjoy them. thanks TTC!
Footage of my favorite YT mechanic, now you really got my attention!
Such an amazing video! Thank you so much for this masterpiece.
Loved this video, even though I was hoping for the new HF Earthquake XT “1/2 in. super compact air impact wrench”. Looking forward to that one claiming 1k ft lbs at under 6” 🤷♂️
Would love to see some more cordless SDS testing on the channel. I think Ryobi has 2 that you haven't tested in their HP series and Kobalt released one as well. Fleshing out that category would be awesome.
Awesome to see SMA on you channel.
I'm using the same 717 for over 30 years on a daily basis, nothing come close as you get toughness, power and control.
That was fun to watch. I have a 7x that is so impressive and i didn't know they made a 9x.
Well done sir !
Those are some powerful air hammers.
I got a sunex and big nasty. Honestly the long sunex is enough for most things I encounter so big nasty collects dust in my tool box but I still have the desire to try and get a Thor
This is one of the reviews I was waiting for. The other I want to see is the IR 119max vs IR 123max vs IR 132. Want to see if the extra money for the IR 132 is worth is vs the max series hammers.
I have my AirProTool (AirProWu) in hand. FYI, the 9x costs as much as Thor, but the thing is huge. I settled on the ATS version so I could have the 7x with feathering trigger in black. Also the price of Thor when it goes on sale. Andy is the English contact for sales. He'll do singles over DHL. I took apart my Astro 5x and it. They're practically identical. The shroud and valve assembly are different, but they seem to be close. No reason to pay for a CP.
A comparison of air fitting performance would be interesting
I wish I had one of these when working on my S10.... Blow torch and angle grinder eventually got the job done tho.
Love my CP717. But I may have to upgrade now just to have it
Just seen Ingersoll Rand has a new 135Max we need this tested ! I was just sitting down to order a new 119max and astro Thor, till I seen the new 135 now I have to wait for you to test it to replace my air hammer....
On it
As a 21 year aircraft assembly mechanic you can get surplus rivet guns from Ebay. Atlas copco, Ingersoll Rand, Dotco brand, all big pounders. Bolts that go into interference holes need big power.
The CP717 is more of a rivet gun to be fair. You can use either for both purposes (I frequently do) but the control is really important in a rivet gun.
No doubt. As soon as he produced a real rivet gun I knew they would fair best on the trigger control part.
I just picked up a 4980 a few weeks ago and haven’t had an excuse to really lean on something yet…but I did rocket a stuck CV axle across the shop today 😂
Update: that thing is worth its weight in gold. No more using a ball joint press to remove ball joint, that thing will have them out in 30 seconds. I had a brake rotor that was seized to the hub today, it was so seized that when I cracked it really hard with a 4 pound sledge, the braking surface broke off from the face, so the braking surface was spinning around while the face remained stationary. I would’ve swore I’d have to go get the acetylene. Just for shits, I grabbed the 4980. Less than a minute I had it off. It blows ball joints out with such force that they take chunks out of the concrete floor when they hit. Comparing it to a 401 shank hammer is like comparing a 1/2 inch impact to a 1 inch impact. I have yet to encounter anything seized that I can’t remove with that air hammer.
I love these things wonder if they’ll ever go battery powered
After seeing these charts I can see why you work for astro. their cost for performance is just crazy compared to the more expensive brands. A chance to work for a company like that is a hard one to pass up.
Chief is also a very good buy for the money. But yes its always good getting tool truck performance for Amazon prices and seeing stuff you work on come out and not wince when you look at what they're charging people for it.
@@TorqueTestChannel right. The only area I see them lacking is trigger response, but I suspect most people don't use these below half throttle, anyway. Definitely less than full throttle, but not necessarily below half max output.
I'm an aircraft structures & sheet metal guy & been using rivet guns for a long time. Is there any difference between these air hammers & a rivet gun? I only drive rivets & occasionally use them to break the collar off a hi lok, loosen a very tight/rusted screw or bolt, or drive a fastener into a close-tolerance hole. I normally use a 3x but do own a 9x for the very rare, huge jobs that must be done. I'm usually the only one in the shop with a 9x.
When i need some power control for using a scrapper i use a flow control valve its easier and less random
AvE needs to do a tear down of one if these hammers!
When I used to work in the rust belt the shop had a 717. It would blow press-in ball joints out with comical ease and cause complete destruction if you weren’t careful. I miss that hammer.
I have a concept for a new trigger design? Think rotating bolt- cams in/out, allowing for more variation in the passage way against the cam travel
Curious how set / extension length and offsets can affect these numbers. I run both a 4X for sheet metal and 9X for driving landing gear pins. Having to run a 12" set or ~15 degrees offset is not uncommon and you can feel a significant power loss.
One of those tools I’ll buy first and find a use for later
@torquetestchannel you should test the durofix 1/2inch impact and 1 inch impact and see how it matches up with the others
4:38 When you're trying to bust a rotor loose, but accidentally shoot the cv joint through the engine block...
Can you try the harbour freight 1” impact with the claim of 2500 ft-ld? Had extreme good success with that impact as a field mechanic working on excavators and dozers. Using 1/2 air line at 170 psi (I know it’s high) but there is nothing that it cannot take off, especially if you add a little bit of heat to bolts and nuts. Just curious what the results might be.
what i would like to see for these is low/high direct hammer hit (punch, drift, chisel)
aka the actual hit of the hammer at the hammer face
- i think you would need to find a way to lock the hammer at a set distance from from the pressure plate
there are times you do not want to mare the surface but cant swing a normal hammer or dead blow
For the min power test, do you turn down the adjustment on the air hammer itself (if present), or do you leave at max?
What would we do without you man!
would love to see a battery grease gun roundup from you mate
which one is best for home defense
Can you test pneumatic rivet guns? They have super fine trigger controls. I'm wondering if any 2x guns have the guts of some 3x ones.
ive got some strange bore wear where the bits go in on my Ingersoll rand, i wonder if its from an inproper bit or if its normal
Can someone explain what the heck those things are on the head? The springly things they all come with
Great work as always guys! Would love to see more flashlights being tested and abused!
Could you perform simmilar test with battery based drillhammer?
Might be interesting to know in case one needs to drive pegs in the soil when going out camping, you know.
He did that already
Did he perform such a test or did he go out camping?
And if yes, when was that test published?
I wonder what kind of power you would need to do auto body work. smoothing out sheet metal, etc...
I sold my CP 717 as over the years it was starting to wear out parts from years of rattling and replaced it with a 4980 and then the 498K when I could get one and buying through Summit it was only 313.00 dollars and I am happy with the tool and would buy it again if available
If price was no issue, which would you choose if you had to again put of cp717 and 4980?
@@randlecycling2462 I really didn't see a difference in the two and I ended up getting a 498K Astro which was stronger than either one. Even though limited production they still are out there for sale. I think the 7CP 714 is the finest 401 shank gun out there as it is so smooth and trigger control is the best, I would by a Astro 4980 again over a 717 because I just don't see a reason to pay 2x cost
@@jimhaines8370RRH08P TOP 0.401
Hey buddy! Can you make a torque test on ridgid high torque impact wrench using the 3ah octance battery vs the new 8ah max output exp? both batteries has the same 21700 cells just wanted to see the power/performance output and the 8ah still available at hd website. Thanks buddy appreciate it😃
Very impressive number would love to get Big nasty Thor Edition but just never can catch it when it's available
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I have used a 717 quite a bit. It always delivers. Love that hammer!
what high flow air couples are you using in the air hammers (male /female). thanks!!!
You should try the long nose air hammer from Napa. Its been the same design for almost 20yrs and i swear it has the same power if not more than a Matco and Snap-on, but the napa one's only $125
Can we see the craftsmen rp high torque impact wrench with different batteries like 9 ah one seems to help everything I put it in quite a bit actually
To a degree the Power range calculation could be a bit better.
Taking max - min is useful information. Dividing it by 100 however doesn't bring out any new data.
It would be more informative to take Max / min = dynamic range.
The entries would then be:
Astro 4980: 1.725
CP717: 48.46
498K: 2.97
CP4289: 4.23
MT2916: 8.32
PH3050B: 31.53
119MAX: 7.84
The CP717 and PH3050B seems to have a race of their own when it comes to finess.
Dividing by 100 is just a constant to adjust its weight in the point system. You don't need to get anything from the points besides the resulting rankings - you literally have the dyno data to reference if you want info from that specific test.
@@RyTrapp0 If the power range value is intended to show the dynamic range of the tool, then it is best to look at the dynamic range, not a relative.
If we have two tools.
A and B.
If I tell you that B's max - min = 4000
And A is just 3500.
Then which one will have more dynamic range?
One can argue that B is having more.
But if B has a max of 5000 while A is at 4000, then A has better dynamic range.
And this is why I personally consider division by 100 as a bit flawed. Max / min gives a more useful value for evaluating a score from as far as a power range is concerned.
My IR max123 is really great. 😊
Great test!
Well, I guess it's time to break out the IR MX90BF then. (I'm just kidding actually.)
So which one do you recommend for the average shop?
Can you test the regular air hammer from muller keups?
How about the Aircat 5300-b? I haven’t seen any reviews on it.
I will for one last time ask for you to test the taylor t-7x with the other air hammers i asked for it 7-9 months ago let's give some lesser known pneumatic companies a shout out
Way pricey but you left out the Atlas Copco RRH12P ($2900) But like I said before the "BIG" boy in pistol grip tools is the APT 800 (They no longer make it). I wish I still had one to send you. A couple pop up each year on eBay for about $250 used
RRH14P❤
Is there an air compressor under 500 bucks that will run one of these things at least in 3 second bursts?...Its the one tool I and most people need to really be able to work on vehicles at home.
Yes, a 26-29gal compressor with a 1/2 air line will do that. Its just lengths over 5 seconds you'll have to wait like using a spray gun
You could try a makita, I have one of their higher output models that runs my needle scaler pretty darn well. I bet it would do ok with one of these for short bursts.
I have one of the dewalt upright compressors, believe it was the 26 gallon model, and have used my Mac air hammer from work on it for longer than 5 second bursts without it needing to turn back on. I'm sure plenty of other options will work just as well but this compressor has definitely made working on my own stuff at home much easier.
EDIT: sorry, I didn't realize the model I bought doubled in price since early last year.
I use to do mobile repair and had one guy with his shop and his dirt cheap harbor freight compressor and very long 3/8 air lines. I am talking 150 + foot lines. Yeah the air hammer was weak but still helped in many situation. When i needed real hammer power i would bring my big gas powered one. So don't count out a air hammer can't be used with a small cheap compressor small lines ect it just can't do as much. Still was very helpful! Your money is best spent towards the largest tank you can afford and large air lines with large fittings. Or as i have done in the past link several air tanks together with very large lines.
@@eatshitful if you only need weak hammer blows, just use an SDS hammer drill with a chisel?
would love to have them for a day to destory some things in the yard
Hei, can you compare a airhammers to some good hammerblows. will probably make it easyer to undestand the powerdriffrens between them.
Awesome, thank you! Good to know I’m packing plenty beans now with the’ ol Thor, otherwise know as “my purse”.
Hey TTC, I emailed you a couple days ago.
I have a brand new Ingersoll 2146MAX 3/4” impact if you want to test it. I’ve been curious what numbers a 3/4” pneumatic impact would put up.
If you’re interested send me a reply and I’ll get it shipped to you.
That moment you grab the wrong air hammer and shoot a bolt straight thru the door 😂
what was the PSI your feeding these hammers
God I love this channel
How about testing the taylor t-7x it is a .498 with a 5 13/16 stroke at 900 bpm. More stroke than the cp4289. Would be interesting to see if outdoes the cp... also the taylor trigger seems to be very nice
Am going to bump this 1 time
I would like to see you test impact swivel sockets to destruction. I have snap on impact swivels but I’d like to know what other brands would be a more affordable replacement that won’t explode.
I haven't broken a harbor freight swivel socket on my nitrocat 1250 in the 8 years I've had them. Admittedly not something that I use all of the time but I usually run them until they quit turning or the bolt breaks. Grade 8 frame bolts on cross members.
@@cbmech2563 I use the swivels in a shop setting and they get used every week. In a home use setting they are ok. In shop setting the cheaper ones have exploded and I’ve had shrapnel hit me before. If you have an impact gun strong enough even the snap on ones wear out but they don’t explode.
@@Fk8td I'm a heavy truck mechanic and I'm using an impact rated 1200 off 900ft lbs on. Which is more than the new snap on gun in 2014 and the impact and the swivels are still going
Dope💯
Is there any plans to test flex's claims on their power stack batteries I'm very partial to them but their claims seem ridiculously outlandish
Cool
Extra inch is always useful on the night shift work bench
Eric got a nice cameo for the leaf spring shackle bolt...he's probably still getting the dust and rust out of his shirt, hat, ears etc
Co-op kid at work asked me how long to change the ball joint on his ‘09 Civic. I told him 5 min if you have a $450 air hammer and $100 fork bit….and I just happened to have those! Lol
I felt if you didn't test the cp717, the channel would not have been legitimate.
I'd be interested in what they test on a 3/8 hose with 1/4in fittings to see if and how the results change
We mention towards the end
A lot. My air hammer and impacts are all set up so that I can use the 3/8s most of the time and 1/2 when I need the extra power