@@lhr9scout10 Alvis is part of the Trinity Processor under the Aegis name Ontos. When Professor Klaus activated The Conduit, the Sync-Rate was only 96%, leading to the idea that Ontos (Alvis) only had the other 4% since he and Zanza (Klaus's other half) got pulled away into half of their own dimension via a Space-Time transition.
note: idk if Xenoblade 3 confirms, denies, or even references this to any extent, please don't spoil me if it does, but also potential spoilers if it is mentioned i disagree with this theory, i believe that there is reason to believe that Alvis is supposed to be the leading core of the trinity processor (for reasons that I no longer remember) but most specifically he actually has memory of the event, where pneuma and logos dont. and so he probably wouldn't be left with 4% at the end of the experiment. that being said, i do believe that the note of the trinity processor sync rate being not 100% is a key detail in either the result not being what was intended in creating a new universe or in ontos not being kept in the same universe that the other two were
@@PowerOf47 That would make sense if he was the leading core of the Processor, as he retains both Aegis traits, such as the Foresight ability and a Monado for a weapon, since Pneuma only has Foresight and Logos only having a Monado weapon, making Ontos the superior Aegis. This could mean that Alvis can recall his memories of Pneuma and Logos, but withheld this information from Shulk since it would've been irrelevant and leave Shulk and the player with more questions than answers.
One half the burning malice of narcissism and hubris of a man and of mankind, the other half the decaying pain and despair of a man and of mankind. Both stubbornly fought to the bitter simultaneously.
What’s not shown is the offscreen band of zanza guardians letting it rip on the piano to play his theme, only to be beaten up and replaced by seven clones of alvis all in chorus for the last phase
Actually, Zanza is the Demiurge of Gnosticism in this situation. He's a false God too stupid to realize that he isn't actually God. Shulk and his group are actually Satan in this situation, as Satan in Gnosticism is seen as heroic, and fights for the sake of the Monad, the True God.
In that case Elvis is Lucifer. He gave Shulk the Power to fight against God. Zanza is more a God who always felt lonely and was consumed by fear to be betrayed from his creations
@@shirolp9053 If you stretch the parallels quite a bit. But no real God fears their creations nor could be destroyed, and lucifer appears as an angel of light. Far more similar to Zanza, if you look beneath the surface of status alone.
Zanza is based on the concept of the demiurge (also know as Yaldabaoth) from Gnosticism. A false God who sees himself as the true creator of the universe, while in reality that role belongs to the Monad (or Alvis in this case). Meyneth is also based on Sophia, one of the Monad's aeons who accidently created the Demiurge (represented in-game by Galea's failure in stopping Klaus from activating the Conduit). The relationship between the Demiurge and Sophia + The Monad in Gnostic thought is very similar to the relationship between Lucifer and God in Christianity so I get why some people will make the confusion.
It is implied that indeed. The only way Shulk could have your own Monado is based on an Interlinking connection with Alvis/Ontos because of him being the Zanza's Vessel - what he and Meyneth already interlinked with. That also implies the interlink thing was not created by the Architecture in Alrest's time but in Klaus' time before the Conduit activation, so the architecture used that to recreate the world.
@@7ThMa I don't really think that's true. Anyone can have a Monado. The Monado in this case is just an access key Alvis gives people to use his power. I also don't think interlinking was made before the end of both Xenoblade 1 and 2. The reason the worlds in 3 threaten each other is due to their opposing nature eg. -1 + 1 = 0. Interlinking being developed at the same time as origin. Its an imperfect system that takes the matter from both worlds and attempts to change their properties to allow them to coexist. Its also why it, when abused, leads to annihilation events since you do technically have overlapping matter from the two worlds which should cancel out.
Since I’m dumb and thought riki was funny which he is I told my friend who told me to play the game I’m never getting rid of riki and I didn’t riki killed god
@@da_radish_king NAME THEM. Kirby literally had just as much help if not more. Literally every Kirby game there's a new companion character that helps him in some way. Planet Robo, Epic Yarn, Rainbow curse. Return to dreamland, Crystal Shard, Star Allies, Every Orignal Dreamland game. Amazing Mirror, Squeak Squad. You get the point. Beating the game solo doesn't mean anything that's a game mechanic that can be done with any game (you can beat Xenoblade solo All those companions either GREATLY assisted Kirby our are down right the reason he won those fights in the first place. Without the star rod GRANTED to kirby BY AN ALLY he wouldnt of been able to beat nightmare.
@@Jamieberigan Cool, I'm not alone. On my first playthrough years ago I mained that team on a whim. I did not regret it. I have continued to use them ever since although on one playthrough of the definitive edition I did swap Dunban with Fiora which was an equally powerful match up.
@@General_C I swapped Shulk in until I got the anti-mechon/machina weapons. For non-mechon fights I stick with that team. With the Makna telethia fight being the exception. (I'm a completionist so I'm generally overleveled from quests).
@@nathanmurdoch5253 Fair enough. I hadn't played the game much so I didn't know the anti mechon weapons existed. Enchant REALLY sucks once you get to Mechonis...
6:16 "Just as I have done many times before." What does he mean? He created Bionis only once. His other Half created Alrest. The end of this game even confirms that he only did this once before.
It might be more metaphorical, as in he'd simply killed off his lifeforms several times akin to recreating a world and its culture. Or maybe zanza just has a bad memory idk
Considering that Alvis is technically an unreliable narrator (we know he altered the memory of the experiment for whatever reason, be it due to being derived from Zanza's warped memory or simply his own choice), it could be that Zanza had done it multiple times and Alvis simply excluded those cases.
You can’t hurt him cus your too under leveled I think it’s 6-5 levels below them you can’t hurt them same thing happened to me I grinded the guardians till I could attack him
bro zanza was so damn easy for me, idk why. i don't remember being overlevel af but i think i feared zanza too much so i build my party really good and it was a breeze maybe my fault
6:21 Holy shittt that line sounds so good, you can truly feel how desperate and serious Shulk is! Without the perfect delivery by his voice actor, that could have sounded so cheesy.
@@jordanlopez942 seems like they are backpedaling on the "fighting a god" to push the "fighting the world" which is not the main theme of Xenoblade at all
@@n-aera yeah they are??? XC3 is so held on "fighting the world" XC2 plot starts because Amalthus stopped caring for anything, and emphasizes that it's a cruel world often, and, though on a lesser scale, They want to stop the cycle of the world in XC1
soooo... i haven't played the game but it seems like this dude is the creator and the characters don't like that he has decided to take his creations back? i see nothing wrong with this zanza dude, i mean this guy did create everything sooo...
Basically, Zanza's plan is to have the world in an endless cycle of death and recreation. Everyone gets killed, their life force used to power his body, and then he creates new life to restart the cycle. Whether Zanza has a right to doing this or not doesn't really matter, the characters kinda don't want that, regardless of what he has a right to do, so they decide to kill him to stop the cycle, claiming their own destiny so to speak.
I’m late but, Zanza created the universe and became a god and had the Monado. Mayneth also had a Monado. Zanza controls Bionis and Mayneth controls Mechonis. Arglas a giant, picks up Zanza’s Monado and gets controlled by him. Using Arglas, he tries to kill the people of Mechonis and enters a battle with Mayneth. You see this in the video. They both lost and weakened each other. Arglas gets taken away to Prison Island by the High Entia. The girl with wings (Melia) is a descendent and is also half hom (human). Zanza’s soul was in a tower with his Monado in a icey mountain. I expedition crew found the Monado and Zanza sucked the life out of them. He puts his soul in a kid named Shulk and a giant named Dickson working for Zanza takes him to colony 9. Dickson raised him. At the end of the game, Zanza returns , kills Mayneth and takes her Monado. Monados, can manipulate ether (kinda like matter) and allows a person to see the future. He then destroyed the Mechonis . He then transforms the pure High Entia into telethia. (You see them when Alvis talks to Shulk). After a few events, the party ends up in memory space, (think of this as Alvis Land). This is where the boss takes place. Basically, Klaus (Zanza) creates a world that he believes can only live through creating life and then destroying it for its ether. Think of this like the water cycle. His motivations get explored in 2 where we meet klaus’s other half (literary just half a human). I suggest you look at that cutscene. The entire games idea is destiny and how we can alter it with our actions. This is opposed to Zanza who thinks only gods should have this power. Alvis (basically the god of gods) gives Shulk the true Monado (basically the most powerful thing ever and the third and last real Monado) and let’s Shulk decide who this world belongs to. Remember, Zanza’s actions with creating this world was not needed (you can argue his intentions with XB2’s lore). He lead to many peoples deaths on Earth and I don’t think Shulk or the others owe him anyway. This is validated with the architect in 2 saying stuff like that. TLDR: play the game.
Play the game. You are missing out on an epic story. Only then, will you understand this cutscene and probably enjoy it more. This is clearly one of the best video games I’ve ever played and the story never gets old! It has everything you need to feel like you’re going out on an epic adventure contained with plot twists, foreshadowing, character development, etc.
@@TheUnorientedLeaf I love you explanation. I really liked how you used real life elements to compare the best you could with Xenoblade’s logic. Sure, they are very different and complex. But it goes to show how a video game world can be so close, but yet so far to the world that we live in. Of course, it’s all fiction, but that only inspires more imagination and further exploring of video game worlds that we come to love.
The way Shulk raised his sword back at Zanza is so badass
"I just wanted to live my life as a Homs in a world without YOU!" -Shulk, Heir to The Monado
@@brycehudson6135 that line is forever ingrained in my head
Shulks kids:hey dad how did the fight between the bionis and mechonis end
Shulk:me and my friends beat up a god
Hopefully peace will remain.
*Xenoblade 3 enters in the chat...*
@@KevDu67 *YOU CALLED THE DLC.*
@@General_C Well I was refering about the base game but that counts too
Nikol: hey dad*
27:41 "and may it last forever"
_xenoblade 3 has entered the chat_
Dunban unknowingly created the first embers of Moebius.
*Xenoblade 3 Wave 4 DLC has entered the chat*
ALVIS WHY?
Shulk: "Today, we use our power to fell a god and then seize our destiny!"
*meanwhile in another universe*
Architect: "Hurry, the time is nigh"
this is the exact statement that this real world needs
SMT
Zanza got some dope music tho
Poor Alvis doesn't even realize the truth of his origins since he only has 4% of the Trinity Processor sync-rate data.
I've never heard this theory before, but it sounds interesting
4%?
@@lhr9scout10 Alvis is part of the Trinity Processor under the Aegis name Ontos. When Professor Klaus activated The Conduit, the Sync-Rate was only 96%, leading to the idea that Ontos (Alvis) only had the other 4% since he and Zanza (Klaus's other half) got pulled away into half of their own dimension via a Space-Time transition.
note: idk if Xenoblade 3 confirms, denies, or even references this to any extent, please don't spoil me if it does, but also potential spoilers if it is mentioned
i disagree with this theory, i believe that there is reason to believe that Alvis is supposed to be the leading core of the trinity processor (for reasons that I no longer remember) but most specifically he actually has memory of the event, where pneuma and logos dont. and so he probably wouldn't be left with 4% at the end of the experiment.
that being said, i do believe that the note of the trinity processor sync rate being not 100% is a key detail in either the result not being what was intended in creating a new universe or in ontos not being kept in the same universe that the other two were
@@PowerOf47 That would make sense if he was the leading core of the Processor, as he retains both Aegis traits, such as the Foresight ability and a Monado for a weapon, since Pneuma only has Foresight and Logos only having a Monado weapon, making Ontos the superior Aegis. This could mean that Alvis can recall his memories of Pneuma and Logos, but withheld this information from Shulk since it would've been irrelevant and leave Shulk and the player with more questions than answers.
"Let us meet again after you have made your choice."
*HOLY SHIT DID HE NOT LIKE HIS CHOICE.*
I'm so exicted to see how it unfolds!
@@RedDrought ITS HERE AND ITS GREAT
4:20
Give me chills every time
Zanza: Now that I have the Monados, I can forgive you your betrayal.
Me: Look who’s talking!
Ha
One half the burning malice of narcissism and hubris of a man and of mankind, the other half the decaying pain and despair of a man and of mankind. Both stubbornly fought to the bitter simultaneously.
What if you…
Wanted to go to heaven…
But God said…
*Y O U A R E A L L D O O M E D !*
"So this is the arrogance of a creator..." -Dunban, The Hero of Sword Valley
What’s not shown is the offscreen band of zanza guardians letting it rip on the piano to play his theme, only to be beaten up and replaced by seven clones of alvis all in chorus for the last phase
You?!?!?! No!!!! How can you still have visions?!?!?!?!
Wanda: GIVE MY VISION BACK!!
So Zanza is basically Lucifer. He views himself as more valuable than all life and is arrogant to the end.
Actually, Zanza is the Demiurge of Gnosticism in this situation. He's a false God too stupid to realize that he isn't actually God. Shulk and his group are actually Satan in this situation, as Satan in Gnosticism is seen as heroic, and fights for the sake of the Monad, the True God.
In that case Elvis is Lucifer. He gave Shulk the Power to fight against God. Zanza is more a God who always felt lonely and was consumed by fear to be betrayed from his creations
@@shirolp9053 If you stretch the parallels quite a bit. But no real God fears their creations nor could be destroyed, and lucifer appears as an angel of light. Far more similar to Zanza, if you look beneath the surface of status alone.
Zanza is based on the concept of the demiurge (also know as Yaldabaoth) from Gnosticism. A false God who sees himself as the true creator of the universe, while in reality that role belongs to the Monad (or Alvis in this case). Meyneth is also based on Sophia, one of the Monad's aeons who accidently created the Demiurge (represented in-game by Galea's failure in stopping Klaus from activating the Conduit).
The relationship between the Demiurge and Sophia + The Monad in Gnostic thought is very similar to the relationship between Lucifer and God in Christianity so I get why some people will make the confusion.
@@metaljacket8128"no real god" as if gods are real lmao
Maybe Zanza was the first interlink- an interlinking of two halves to make one whole. An imperfect one, but one nonetheless.
That DOES make sense in some way.
It is implied that indeed. The only way Shulk could have your own Monado is based on an Interlinking connection with Alvis/Ontos because of him being the Zanza's Vessel - what he and Meyneth already interlinked with. That also implies the interlink thing was not created by the Architecture in Alrest's time but in Klaus' time before the Conduit activation, so the architecture used that to recreate the world.
@@7ThMa I don't really think that's true. Anyone can have a Monado. The Monado in this case is just an access key Alvis gives people to use his power. I also don't think interlinking was made before the end of both Xenoblade 1 and 2. The reason the worlds in 3 threaten each other is due to their opposing nature eg. -1 + 1 = 0. Interlinking being developed at the same time as origin. Its an imperfect system that takes the matter from both worlds and attempts to change their properties to allow them to coexist. Its also why it, when abused, leads to annihilation events since you do technically have overlapping matter from the two worlds which should cancel out.
Zanza "No How Do You Stil Have Visions"
Alvis did some funky shit and made an Amnesiac Branch of Zanza's Soul that called itself Shulk? The whole thing was a scheme to release himself.
earth is round and this is proof
orobourus, thelessia, blades, all fates are connected.
Watch out someone might get spoiled by the title.
Goes so hard when the guitar comes in 😭😭😫😫😫😫
This has to be in easy mode. My team is higher level and not doing nearly the damage or filling the party gauge that quickly.
Its on casual mode. If u look at the very end of the video and see when he saves, the save file says "casual mode"
The fight isn’t that hard if you are level 80 or higher and the intended difficulty is level 75
This may sound weird but once you take out your healers it becomes a cakewalk
@@josephstalin5833 it's absolutely on casual, they're playing abysmally
I defeated Zanza easily. Best team for me was Shulk, Fiora and Reyn :3
what level were u
@Duke Nukem lvl 79-83 i think
Since I’m dumb and thought riki was funny which he is I told my friend who told me to play the game I’m never getting rid of riki and I didn’t riki killed god
@@thesuperintendent8610 Riki is proud Heropon 😍
@@zizilynn156 riki is bestest
This scene alone shows how powerful shulk is. He shits on Kirby, Palutena, and Rosalina and Ness
Kirby has defeated multiple gods WITHOUT help. Shulk had his friends and Alvis.
@@da_radish_king NAME THEM. Kirby literally had just as much help if not more. Literally every Kirby game there's a new companion character that helps him in some way. Planet Robo, Epic Yarn, Rainbow curse. Return to dreamland, Crystal Shard, Star Allies, Every Orignal Dreamland game. Amazing Mirror, Squeak Squad. You get the point. Beating the game solo doesn't mean anything that's a game mechanic that can be done with any game (you can beat Xenoblade solo All those companions either GREATLY assisted Kirby our are down right the reason he won those fights in the first place. Without the star rod GRANTED to kirby BY AN ALLY he wouldnt of been able to beat nightmare.
@@StarVerixzero
I’d argue that Shulk as a god would beat Kirby, but Shulk had the power of a god for like, about 5 minutes? Tops?
As much as i love xenoblade 3, Xenoblade 1's ending is perfect, it didnt need any sequels
Man melia and nia have no idea whays coming in the near future with mobious
"What we wish for is a world with no gods". That was deep.
Why does the audio cut out at 29:57?
copyright i guess
I'm curious Am i one of the few players who did not use Shulk in this fight? P.S My team was Dunban, Melia and Riki.
No there are a couple of videos I've seen of people with party's with anyone but shulk
@@Jamieberigan Cool, I'm not alone. On my first playthrough years ago I mained that team on a whim. I did not regret it. I have continued to use them ever since although on one playthrough of the definitive edition I did swap Dunban with Fiora which was an equally powerful match up.
How did you beat any of the Mechon fights?
@@General_C I swapped Shulk in until I got the anti-mechon/machina weapons. For non-mechon fights I stick with that team. With the Makna telethia fight being the exception. (I'm a completionist so I'm generally overleveled from quests).
@@nathanmurdoch5253 Fair enough. I hadn't played the game much so I didn't know the anti mechon weapons existed. Enchant REALLY sucks once you get to Mechonis...
No sound after 29:57?
6:16 "Just as I have done many times before." What does he mean? He created Bionis only once. His other Half created Alrest. The end of this game even confirms that he only did this once before.
It might be more metaphorical, as in he'd simply killed off his lifeforms several times akin to recreating a world and its culture.
Or maybe zanza just has a bad memory idk
Considering that Alvis is technically an unreliable narrator (we know he altered the memory of the experiment for whatever reason, be it due to being derived from Zanza's warped memory or simply his own choice), it could be that Zanza had done it multiple times and Alvis simply excluded those cases.
@@polarbearseatingpenguins8173I think it’s definitely the first point u made
I’m agreeing with Polarbear, it’s likely that Zanza had wiped out his lifeforms multiple times
Who the best character Shulk(Xenoblade Chronicles), Pit(Kid icarus Uprising), Sora(Kingdom Heart) or Link(Legend of Zelda)!
Link basically has no character, Pit's more funny than anything, and I don't really know Sora that much.
Gonna have to go with Shulk.
How the heck do you fight a admin?
Essentially getting The Dev to say "Enough"
I'm at level 81 and still can't hurt him Dx
did you beat him my boy
That is strange
level up your arts
You can’t hurt him cus your too under leveled I think it’s 6-5 levels below them you can’t hurt them same thing happened to me I grinded the guardians till I could attack him
Remember this file was being played on Casual
bro zanza was so damn easy for me, idk why.
i don't remember being overlevel af but i think i feared zanza too much so i build my party really good and it was a breeze
maybe my fault
Xenoblade final bosses are kind of meant to be more cinematic than overly challenging.
@@RobbertRobbert12345 just talking about the people who found zanza to be challenging.
@@RobbertRobbert12345 zanza is the most challenging part of the game on your first run.
@@rafaelbruno2128
For me it was Dickson. Zanza is omly tough in first stage because of his annoying guardians.
a great nod to Godsibb
This fight is impossible, everything up to this was easy
What level were you?
Also dude it’s the final boss
@@skena39 level 88
why? He’s level 85
@@skena39 I’m now level 92 and can’t beat it
I don't have the fortitude to put up with this game
8:56
6:21 Holy shittt that line sounds so good, you can truly feel how desperate and serious Shulk is! Without the perfect delivery by his voice actor, that could have sounded so cheesy.
Alvis trolling
Maaaan I'm so bummed out they changed the design
looks way better imo. sells the half bionis half mechonis motif. you are literally fighting an avatar of the world
@@jordanlopez942 seems like they are backpedaling on the "fighting a god" to push the "fighting the world" which is not the main theme of Xenoblade at all
They didn't though, that's how it was always meant to look. The artbook looks basically the same
@@n-aera yeah they are??? XC3 is so held on "fighting the world"
XC2 plot starts because Amalthus stopped caring for anything, and emphasizes that it's a cruel world often, and, though on a lesser scale, They want to stop the cycle of the world in XC1
@@n-aera fighting the world, fighting its god. is it all that different? in more than one sense, Zanza and the world are the same
Why did everyone say the boss is hard, *just finish all the side quest!*
You don’t even need to do that, just get some really good gems
true but there is one side quest that you should do and not skip because it gives shulk a new upgrade for his manado
20:05
Zilly Sansa!
Gonna need a god then lmao
Compared to Goddamn Roaming beast, the God in this story is totally meh... Extremely weak
For me it was Loritha I could not with her but zanza was easy
Probably the easiest Xenoblade final boss
It was the first game after all, they didn’t know what the battle system could handle.
I can’t fucking do this bullshit battle. I get one shotted which clears the entire team randomly every time
mode easy jaja
soooo... i haven't played the game but it seems like this dude is the creator and the characters don't like that he has decided to take his creations back? i see nothing wrong with this zanza dude, i mean this guy did create everything sooo...
Basically, Zanza's plan is to have the world in an endless cycle of death and recreation. Everyone gets killed, their life force used to power his body, and then he creates new life to restart the cycle. Whether Zanza has a right to doing this or not doesn't really matter, the characters kinda don't want that, regardless of what he has a right to do, so they decide to kill him to stop the cycle, claiming their own destiny so to speak.
@@waaaaaaah I think the game is firmly on the side of no, he doesn't have the right to do that.
I’m late but, Zanza created the universe and became a god and had the Monado. Mayneth also had a Monado. Zanza controls Bionis and Mayneth controls Mechonis. Arglas a giant, picks up Zanza’s Monado and gets controlled by him. Using Arglas, he tries to kill the people of Mechonis and enters a battle with Mayneth. You see this in the video. They both lost and weakened each other. Arglas gets taken away to Prison Island by the High Entia. The girl with wings (Melia) is a descendent and is also half hom (human). Zanza’s soul was in a tower with his Monado in a icey mountain. I expedition crew found the Monado and Zanza sucked the life out of them. He puts his soul in a kid named Shulk and a giant named Dickson working for Zanza takes him to colony 9. Dickson raised him. At the end of the game, Zanza returns , kills Mayneth and takes her Monado. Monados, can manipulate ether (kinda like matter) and allows a person to see the future. He then destroyed the Mechonis . He then transforms the pure High Entia into telethia. (You see them when Alvis talks to Shulk). After a few events, the party ends up in memory space, (think of this as Alvis Land). This is where the boss takes place. Basically, Klaus (Zanza) creates a world that he believes can only live through creating life and then destroying it for its ether. Think of this like the water cycle. His motivations get explored in 2 where we meet klaus’s other half (literary just half a human). I suggest you look at that cutscene. The entire games idea is destiny and how we can alter it with our actions. This is opposed to Zanza who thinks only gods should have this power. Alvis (basically the god of gods) gives Shulk the true Monado (basically the most powerful thing ever and the third and last real Monado) and let’s Shulk decide who this world belongs to. Remember, Zanza’s actions with creating this world was not needed (you can argue his intentions with XB2’s lore). He lead to many peoples deaths on Earth and I don’t think Shulk or the others owe him anyway. This is validated with the architect in 2 saying stuff like that. TLDR: play the game.
Play the game. You are missing out on an epic story. Only then, will you understand this cutscene and probably enjoy it more. This is clearly one of the best video games I’ve ever played and the story never gets old! It has everything you need to feel like you’re going out on an epic adventure contained with plot twists, foreshadowing, character development, etc.
@@TheUnorientedLeaf I love you explanation. I really liked how you used real life elements to compare the best you could with Xenoblade’s logic. Sure, they are very different and complex. But it goes to show how a video game world can be so close, but yet so far to the world that we live in. Of course, it’s all fiction, but that only inspires more imagination and further exploring of video game worlds that we come to love.
So after this there’s nothing left i really can’t with that fight also quests are way boring than X2
I’ll just skip the fight and play future connected right ?
Do it anyway. Zanza's fucking awesome.