The Dangers Of Buying Guitars From Reverb
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- buying guitars from reverb.com can be a dangerous thing sometimes. i bought a carvin form Liberty Guitars and Gear on reverb and it crushed my soul haha
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Seems like you want a 100% mint guitar for Fire Sale Price. Nut is the only real point of complaint.
As if the frets arent jacked up? I got it for a good price. Not a fire sale price. Ive seen three of thos seem model from the same time period in MUCH better condition. None of that matters. This in no way a very good condition instrument .
Not even close. Needs a total fret level. Corroded everywhere and a bosrd that needs a deep clean. In no way very good condition. When all the photos hid the issues amd i even asked hom how the guitars condition was prior
@@TheDistortionPrinciple Sorry, except for the nut & fret work you could do the work yourself. Does it realy need a fret job? Or would a good crown & level get it a few more years down the road? Just feel you were hoping for a case queen at bargin basement prices. Did you really want the guitar? Or where you just hoping to flip it?
@@reverendg5937 sorry for the novel 😆
i wanted it. As i said in the video my local shop was going to charge 500 for a refret. Every fret was dented. Deep dents. Also flat spots. Not sure how much material would be left. I dont know of these were stainless steel frets but if they are my local guy charges extra to level. There was corrosion around every fret so he may have charged extra for that as well. The bridge screws were highly corroded to the point they could have possibly no longer be structurally sound. I think a nut job is another 40 here...
I paid 840 or so for this guitar expecting very good condition. So lets say there is enough material to level.
840 minus 400 refund.
440 plus 200 for a level and 40 for the nut. Now we are at 680. To do the bridge deep clean as well as pots etc my guy would tack on roughly another 100.
780 is the best case scenario.
Now lets consider that he decided a refret was needed we add another 300 to the price.
Thats 1080.
Neither scenario is ideal for a very good condition listing. Sorry for the long post. Here's reverbs condition guidelines. Based off this I would classify it as fair to poor and at the level i would expect to pay considerably less. This combined with better photos on his part could have made a better experience.
Very Good describes items with more cosmetic imperfections than Excellent, but are still in great condition overall. There may be some scratches, finish dings or buckle rash, but nothing that affects the playability or function of the gear.
Good condition includes items that are in fine working order, but have significant cosmetic imperfections. A pedal with scratches and dents on its chassis, a guitar with some cracks in the binding, or an old snare drum with some corrosion on the lugs would all be classified as Good. Items with dents, cracks or corrosion qualify as Good as long as they are still playable and fully functional.
Fair
Fair condition items have various imperfections that impact the function of the item. Fair items aren’t broken, but have some minor functional issues. Examples of items in Fair condition are scratchy pots on an amp, or a playable guitar with dead spots in the upper register.
Poor
Poor condition items have clear functional problems that will generally require repair. Examples of items in Poor condition include a guitar in which the action is too high to be playable and a keyboard with lots of broken keys.
This is why I can't buy guitars sight unseen. Glad you were able to get your money back.
Yea its a gamble online
You bought a 30 yo guitar that’s been played. Of course there will be wear. If you disagree with seller’s rating then just return it, no need to get so upset about it.
@@williamtm1965 lol. Wear? Wear is to be expected. Shitty frets corroded hardware, scratchy pots and nut thst needs replacing is not to be expected. Lets be absolutely honest here of you recieved this guitar as very good condition you would be pissed yourself. If you you wouldn't then you're lying to yourself.
@@TheDistortionPrinciple From what you said seller offered you money to fix issues, meaning he's trying to work with you. If you think it's not enough - then return the guitar. Reverb will refund 100% of your payment, seller will give you free shipping label, resulting in ZERO cost to you. Get over it and stop whining. Move on.
@@williamtm1965 😀 are you the seller? Maybe take your own advice and move on. This item never should have been listed in the condition it was. By all means you can go hit up the store and buy it for yourself if you like. What you dont get to do is decide what videos I make. Thanks for the algorithm bump
@@TheDistortionPrinciple In your video you look like a grown up man, yet you don't act like one. One bad purchase and your "soul is crushed" (in your own words). Man up!
@@williamtm1965 its called humor and damaric effect for entertainment. Move on
All that bad experience aside, $500 for refrets is insane!
@@jeshely yes and sweetwater said 650
Love the channel!
Thanks!
Well you definitely were lied too. The seller should be ashamed for himself for posting a false condition that clearly isn’t true. But honestly for a guitar that is over 30+ years you should expedt the guitar isn’t gonna be in the condition it was when it was released. I own 12 fender hm Strats and most of them are from 88/89 and I got some that were in no so good condition and overtime I put money on some of them to get their problems fixed. Fortunately I have a buddy who is a manager in Guitar center so I can all the work I need done for a good price.
I absolutely expect some flaws but the photos listed were flawless and no mention of problems
@@TheDistortionPrinciple yeah at that point its really foul on the sellers end/ shame on him. did you ended up keeping the guitars and get somewhat a partial refund or returned the guitar ands got your money back?
Everything I’ve gotten from Reverb sounds and plays Great👌👌 don’t bash the platform. Maybe you should put the individual seller on blast
@@spongebob6664 thats what i said in the video. I said its not reverbs fault in this video
@@TheDistortionPrincipleyour thumb nail is misleading
@@spongebob6664 i disagree. It was bought off reverb and sellers like this guy are the danger
Maybe it's just me, but I would never buy a guitar sight unseen. Before spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a guitar, I need to inspect it and play it first. No matter what it's always going to be a gamble buying online.
Ive actually been quite lucky. Mostly had great experiences. This one just really got under my skin
Well, sorry you got a bad deal. Sounds and looks like guitar well played and not taken care of. I would send it back. Certainly not worth the money you will need to put into it.
I asked a difference city small mom and pop shop about a incentive they had and i was shooting the shit and i shot my shot with "do you have any dual/triple rectifiers used lately?" And HE DID. i was the first and then he said he would post it on reverb and let me come buy it the next day. He literally sold it at 9AM the second he opened KNOWING i was wanting it and coming for it.
Never doing reverb, no matter what its always something. Just buy new and stick it with glue on your shoe lol
Ahh man thats rough!
I have never understood how one can buy a guitar without playing it first. If it makes you feel better, I had a brand new Epiphone LP pop the 9th-17th frets on the 1st set up. 🙄
Oh wow! That's rough
Don't Break the Oath!
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@@christopherkennedy873 never!
That’s ridiculously awful.
@@phillippitts6294 for real
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I’ve only bought from Sweetwater or in person. I like holding stuff. But I’m not really looking for older guitars, unless I find a 70s Flying V! lol
@@phillippitts6294 mine!!! No V for u !!!
This is why I only buy things listed as Brand New because stuff like this is almost impossible to see from photos especially the quality of photos you usually get from your average Joe seller
Yep the photos the seller had were pretty filtered or over exposed so the guitar looked much better in photos
yikes!
Ridiculous. Glad you got your money back. Hope you didn't have to pay shipping and the restocking fee scam.
@@matrixstar2767 he tried 😆
Reverb safe shipping only! Never had a problem. The seller should have listed all the issues with the guitar. No excuse on their part. Just good business practice. Also as a buyer, always ask about the fret condition on an older/vintage guitar like that. Unless it was barely played, it will have some wear present.
Yea this one was done by maybe a poor setup or wrong string gauge or someting. They were in a straight line all the way down the neck. Ive seen dented frets before but never a straight line like that
Thats cool you got a carvin it does look like it will be a good guitar.
Needs a new nut and the frets are bad thats a lot of work there can understand your frustration on that .
That sucks not knowing about those things before you bought it.
@@dragonmodel9262 yep. Had to send it back these can be had for the same price i paid in mich better condition
@@TheDistortionPrinciple oh you didnt keep it?
@@dragonmodel9262 to much work needed for the price. Ive seen them mint for the price i paid
The seller is a POS.
No way would I try to sell a guitar in such bad shape!.
We all know old/used guitars will need a little TLC but that guitar is in horrible condition, that sucks!.
Photos should be heavily scrutinised before a purchase.
@@keiranbradley3238 agreed
His photos made it look so good though
I’m a beginner got a Fender Player Series Jazzmaster said mint and was setup. Got the guitar they said it was setup so it was reason leaning to get it. Guitar was not nearly setup frets was horrible pickups were barley tighten down,action was so high it was a joke.
@@berniehodges812 ahhh man thats rough
Luckily, I've never had an experience like this, but that's horrible. Dude wanted to offload a fucked up guitar without putting in the effort/money to fix it up. That's like if you bought a used car but the dealer didn't bother making sure it was driveable.
@@amatsu-ryu4067 yep he threw it out there hoping it would stick
This is why I do my own work. Don’t know what you paid for it but guitar you always wanted and getting 400 back to put for repairing it. Hell yea buy parts and go to town. I expect to do all that stuff when buying a used guitar anyway
@@jefflincoln1374 you expect to do a refret and replace corroded hardware? On a guitar that clearly was in a different condition than it was sold to you as? The photos lied
Wow, Come the fuck on indeed!
@@miyaaaaw lol!
:)@@TheDistortionPrinciple
The take away : Luthiers have adjusted their rates to keep up with inflation , unless you're qualified to do the repairs yourself the cost of making a guitars playable might exceed the resale value .
@@claudehopper9813 very true. I can do all the basic electronic and set up stuff but fretwork is not in my wheelhouse. Im really considering asking my local luthier if he needs an apprentice and try to gain the real skill set
Not exactly what I would call "Very Good" condition. Hopefully the seller learned a lesson, and gives more accurate descriptions in the future.
@@danrunnoft6642 agreed! I havent shown him the video yet
I only go reverb safe shipping whether I'm buying or selling. I think the pots just need some detoxit, but the nut and frets.....that's a game changer.
Yep i have deoxit and woukd habe cleaned them if that was the only issue but with the nut and frets i decided not to waste my time with something i knew was going back
@@TheDistortionPrinciple Yeah. I don't blame you. Sucks that it didn't pan out, but onward and upwards.
@@midwaymonster30 next will be even better!
Video should be titled "Reverb saved my dumbass for believing unscrupulous sellers!"
Thanks for the algorithm bump. Keep it coming
I buy a ton of guitars on Reverb…ask a million questions so you know what your getting yourself into. Does the low price out weigh the cost of getting it repaired. Yeah the nasty fret board is bullshit he should have cleaned that up.
Agreed!
Kinda reminds me of a friend of mine that was shopping for a very certain used car. It was a Mustang, that had to be black with a convertible top and a certain year model.
Needless to say the only one she found that matched her list of wants was a total money pit! It spent its time in the shop more than on the road!
@@looney3574 oh that's rough!
I purchased a Schecter bass from Reverb “Sam Ash store”
& it had a dead pickup in it…
Back it went!!
@@glenn105 gotta hold people accountable imo
Bought a wylde audio Warhammer off reverb, it came without a neck and floyd rose. talked to the seller about it, no response. and reverb said they couldn't do anything
@@kadenzepher wtf??? How long ago was this? Push them everyday and demand your money they tried to refuse to assist a friend of mine but he kept at them for days
Ive only bought 2 guitars on Reverb and they were both exactly as described and i love them both.
@@Steve.Cutler my success rate in there is about 98 percent and ive bought many
Thats a shame..what a cool guitar,,never seen that model...now i gotta go shoppin lol.
@@Mr.Monster1313 man this model when in good condition is so sick
F Liberty Guitars and Gear. Seriously i figured TN boys could do better than that.
Right? Kept mentioning he was in the navy in our correspondence as if i was supposed to give him a pass for the bad deal
Hey bro, just catching up on your vids, see your getting some shit in the comments, mate you live n learn but I like this video, I feel like that everyday, a total loser n life 😂 hows the shirt? Will it live?
@@deathmetalmadness4642 lol yep some people won't expect better so we all get the worst imo. The shirt is having a memorial next week 😀
@@TheDistortionPrinciple The comments on UA-cam in general can be rough, pure poison on some subjects, UFC guys are brutal, they called me an emo bitch n to go back to my mum's basement hehehe that's cause of my user name n the fact I was telling them their goat is a serial performance enhanced cheat, wife beater, closet homosexual (nothing wrong with that) n generally a total bastard, guy hit n run a pregnant women jees
You made the mistake of not examining the pics thoroughly examining the pics, or asking for more detailed pics. You said you got a great price, that guitar is in very good condition for a 30 year old guitar. maybe you shouldn't buy older used guitars off the web
Maybe people should read the definition of very good, fair and poor condition
do your due diligence - and have the means and abilities to fix any problems you may come across when buying used guitars - then again if you were misled that sucks
@@VonRock doing due diligence is one thing but the moe important thing is to hold sellers accountable. It only cuts down on future customers being misled and trust me his photos looked way better than it arrived. They were over exposed or highly filtered i guess
@@VonRock and you're i coukd have fixed everything I mentioned except fret level or refret. Wish i could find a local guy who wants an apprentice. I'd love to be very good and knowledgeable about all things guitar repair and mod
I've passed on quite a few guitars I wanted on reverb/ebay. Scrutinize every photo. If there's only one photo...no sale. Text them. Ask them any questions. How fast do they reply. How professional. Too good to be true? Check other items that person has for sale and their reviews. I noticed the frets too. If you're really in love with the guitar use some deoxit on the pots, and just get the refret from your local or sweetwater. It's not too bad! But you're right, it's not that great. He lied.
Exactly. The information needs to be precise and provided quickly if it's not already listed. Of course, it should be
Agreed!
Agreed!
The pickups sound really good. Shame it was sent so jacked up. He should have listed it in fair condition up front. Listing the faults helps alot with the integrity of the seller. Obviously in this case the seller didnt know what he was doing or he was pulling a fast one.
@@michaelorourke7032 im going with fast one
Yeah thats a bunch of bs they were trying to pull on you. Way overpriced for that condition. You are not wrong asking for refund.
Agreed. Its weird seeing the few comments I've gotten of people defending the guitars condition and the seller.
Those same people would be bitching and crying if it happened to them. Or they know nothing about guitar repair cost and time involved.
Im guessing they didnt have many photos in the listing. Condition ratings are always a hard thing to judge. Obviously this one had some major issues that photos could not show and should have been noted. I always ask for more photos and ask questions prior to buying anything.
I believe there were 4? Either filtered or over exposed. Guitar looked practically new in photos.
@@TheDistortionPrinciple That's too bad.
Thats awful, i havent had that problem yet on reverb and i hope i dont. I have bought MANY things off reverb, and most sellers i have done business with have been great, make sure you ask questions when buying. But know your definitely right for being upset about the shit listing. Looks like a shop knowing tried to screw some over. But didnt count on some one knowing better.
Yep. I have bought ALOT on there. Usually good experience. I don't really like doing a shit post videos but seller irked me lol
@TheDistortionPrinciple I feel you. No one ever likes to put people on blast. But some times a buyer beware post is necessary as well.
@@justinsane321 yea. If you eant have a good laugh go look at some of the other guitars he has as very good. At least thwy have real photos 😆
Calling it "Fair Condition" is even a stretch.
For real
You should have turned up at his front door at midnight to 'discuss' the sale... However if you want to sit there and play transilvanian hunger for 3 years straight the tone is perfect
Yea i actually researched where he was located. Wanted to go get my money personally but the storefront is permanently close lol
That's boogers in them there frets. Gross!
And not even any sugar with the booger!
That really sucks man! That buzz on the open strings was unbelievable! Hope you get it sorted out!
Man it went bavk to the store so fast 😆
Im charging to little for refret
@@gunslinger80sguitars 😆 nah they charging too much
Your frets are beat too.
For real
Name name's !!!!!! Expose them so no one else gets got inda gotcha by a scammer shop
@@RobertDoolin-sy4ie its in the description
Liberty guitars !!!!!!!!!!
@@RobertDoolin-sy4ie indeed
@@TheDistortionPrinciple and that's why I don't buy em, I build em myself
@@RobertDoolin-sy4ie wish i had that skill set. To old to bother learning now i guess lol
First question... Did you ship it back yet? Second question.... Would you want to ship it to me to fix it? You just pay for shipping.
@@ericctheartofnoise8613 awwww .man! Sent back I'll definitely hit you up for future ideas!
Do nothing sell it for 30 bucks more
@@ibisrox1 damn could have made profit!
@@TheDistortionPrinciple Carvins are good guitars I'd love a New Keissel and and old carvin in my collection
@@ibisrox1 i miss my old carvins
That should of been listed as heavily used.
@@jeffcook1054 agreed! Thanks for watching
@@TheDistortionPrinciple it is a Damn shame. That guitar could be a beast. Good luck to you on it.
@@jeffcook1054 thanks, sent it back and rhey can do whatever with it now. Dude said he probably wont relist it and keep it for himself
@@TheDistortionPrinciple good job. Hope you find another one for yourself.
Sad that so many 1k to 2k guitars don't come with stainless steel frets. All those guitars we're buying now will need expensive fret jobs in 5 to 10 years.
@@victorstillwell9893 yep and it seems the cost of fret work has gone up quite a bit
Hope you get it sorted out. That’s a cool guitar and I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in the wild! I’ve had a few dooseys over the years buying used stuff but nothing like this. Dig the Fate shirt!
@@juan666q these have popped up quite often on reverb this year so it went back and ill keep eyes open. Fates are killer
Holy cow, I just signed up for Reverb today. Scary.
@@stiffmeister0hYeah ask alot of questions get extra pics if you can. Reverb will side with you. Don't be to worried
The guitar community needs to hold sellers like this accountable. That would have been a beast. Thanks for the video
Yes. He has worse listings up now also as very good
I would consider that Carvin in poor condition and definitely would not want it
@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 agreed you should see aome of his other very good listings. Like the bolt on guitar with chips in the body, wrong brands base plate and the heel sanded down to make for more upper access.....
I'd probably keep it and take the 400 if your luthier thinks he can make it sweet for 500 to 700. But I'm an idiot and it's reasonable and probably wise to return it.
@@JD-vj4go my guy quoted 600
@@TheDistortionPrinciple If I really liked the guitar I'd keep it and throw some money at. I did that for a Jackson Skull Kelly I adore. But again I am an idiot.
@@JD-vj4go thd skull is sexy
There is no doubt that the guitar needs a refret! It clear that they already tried a fret level and didn't even bother to crown.
@@newmexicosaint yea its total junk
@@newmexicosaint when i told him my local luthier charges 500 he said my guy is high he can get them done for 150 to 200. These frets must have been worked on by the same guy 😆
@@TheDistortionPrinciple 😂😂😂.
Bummer for you man. That is a cool axe otherwise
@@newmexicosaint yep I'll keep my eyes peeled my buddy has bought three of these this year for the same price with almost zero issues. So its definitely out there
Guitar buyers don't tolerate getting Fd around
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Lol nope!