And for many of us it’s such a great reminder of when people were respectful, talked decently and didn’t dress like slobs! And for me it’s so fascinating to see famous people whose name I know but have never seen their face! Many times if they were never on TV we wouldn’t recognize them at all!
This show takes me right back to our family room, watching TV in the 1950's, while I was growing up. Sometimes, the panel really shows the era they were in, as when Arlene asks the guest if she is a "lady veterinarian."
Hilarious 😂😂😂 but trust Hal to think she's a fan dancer or wears scanty clothes ; I loved the way Bonnie Baker smiles , her expressive eyes and the way she led Hal on. I'm not bagging Hal but st times I wished he would cut down on moving his hands over his hair , mouth ...the others Bennett Cerf, Arlene , Dorothy don't so one-tenth of his actions , the TV produces should have instructed Hal (if they did he must have ignored them to his own detriment) ...such a shame
I am the opposite. To me, he's crude and unrefined which had a lot to do with his firing. I mean how intelligent does one have to be to know that you don't scratch an itch on public tv? Arlene looks especially beautiful tonite.
@@jerrylee8261 he was a completely different style than the rest of the WML cast. Definitely not classy but he does make me laugh... sometimes while cringing lol and yes, Arlene is always lovely
I suspect that Mr. Block was fed those questions by the producers. I heard that they used to do that, though not revealing the contestant's "line". Is that true, Mr. WhatsMyLine?
Hal was hysterical. Similar to Steve Allen. What a panel if there was also Fred Allen & Martin Gable. Ah.. ah..ah..Arlene & Dorothy could've had the night off.
No proof of any wrongdoing was ever found. It's to be prusumed it was just another case of Hal being Hal, as in the previous episode, the gas station attendant, and numerous other instances.
@@tdell-jv7wwI think Hal is more astute than he appears, but I had the very same hunch. He got on track, so to speak, awfully fast… 🤔 But it was quite funny.
I used this show for social studies lesson when I was homeschooling my daughter. I would catch it on the DVR and go through them finding interesting and pertinent guests to research with my girl. The first governor of Alaska, the chairman of the first HMO, Mickey Mantle and so many people from the entertainment world. We cried when Fred Allen and Dorothy died and got a true sense of how people in the middle of the twentieth century looked, sounded and thought. Truth be told I got as much from these lessons as my child did.
At 16:38 we hear the first use of "weenie" to describe a sudden realization by a panelist. Hal has just asked Perle Mesta if she had ever been abroad. When she says, "Yes", John says that he sees weenies all over the place. Apparently the other 3 panelists' reactions showed that they realized who the MG was at that point. In future shows, "weenie" is used from time to time, usually Dorothy saying that she just had a weenie. This show is the only place I have ever heard this usage of the word, and I think its use ceased some time during the 1950s. It appears to have been one of those slang usages that flourished for a while and then disappeared from the lexicon.
Arlene Francis also uses it on a much later episode that I think was after Dorothy passed, it may have even been after the initial run on one of the 1970s airings with a different host possibly. I don’t remember exactly when but she definitely made a comment to the effect of, I just had what Dorothy would call a weenie
@@janetaylorparris As an amateur linguist, I highly recommend you pay close attention to all that John Daly says over the years. There were few better linguists in the English language than he. And honestly, I hope you continue your path. We need people who understand and can comprehend the language.
@@rmelin13231Thank you! After less than 1 year watching these episodes, I have a dedicated document noting all kinds of words, phrases, and slang I’ve picked up from these episodes! It’s pure joy. I can’t get enough!
Perle Mesta earned much of her wealth as a result of her marriage in 1916 to George Mesta. George Mesta's company, Mesta Machine, was a major heavy equipment manufacturer of steel mill equipment (particularly for rolling mills) in West Homestead, PA. When her husband passed away in 1925, she was left with a fortune of 78 million dollars. That may not seem like much by today's standards of fabulous wealth, but it was quite a bit for the mid 1920s.
About 13 years later baseball started being played indoors as well as outdoors. The first indoor game being April 9, 1965 - Yankees @ Astros in an exhibition game before an audience of 47,879.
Whew! Ms. Mesta was practically falling out of her dress by the end of her round. (And to think this was early TV.) Also, that Ms. Mesta, whose visage were so renowned back then that the panel had be blindfolded, has been totally left behind by history. I had to Google her name to find out what in the world she signified. And I'm 58 years old.
Actually the neckline of her dress, while quite low, was the same all the way through. What you probably noticed was her shawl slipping off of her bare left shoulder. A shawl slipping off a shoulder is quite common.
Musical comedy fans know of Perle Mesta as the inspiration for the lead character in Irving Berlin's CALL ME MADAM, in which Mrs. Sally Adams (Ethel Merman), a Washington hostess, is US ambassador to the fictional "Lichtenburg."
@z Have read in articles about her...the inherited Monies would put her in the range of $ 500, to $ 750 Million...and given her business acumen and Washington insider knowledge...probably would wind-up a Billionaire....LoL..
Can't find Mrs. Whitten. Meanwhile, Dr. Madden (Gerry to many) came from a long line of veterinarians, from Bradford, PA. (Seven of them in the family, which includes an in-law or two.) Contracted polio at age 3 ½, apparently had a deformed spine, but her manual dexterity was fine, so general veterinary (plus a specialty in surgery) was eminently possible. She taught biology (for some indeterminate period) at the University of Pittsburgh-Bradford, and is referred to as 'legendary,' which I can fully believe. (In part for her swearing, which she apparently did copiously, and in part for her standards as a teacher, which were stringent.) She seems to have moved to Streator and then moved back to Bradford later, since she was teaching in the 50s and 60s. She got married in 1944, and eventually divorced. (Possibly this has to do with her moving back to Bradford, but that's totally speculation.) Died in 1990 (but I can't find an obit). Fond reminisce: www.upb.pitt.edu/templates/Beyond.aspx?menu_id=250&id=36806
She reminds me of Temple Grandin, maybe in looks a bit and mannerisms (eye rolling about wild guesses she thinks are stupid). Does anything about her bio indicate that she was on the spectrum?
People are often quick to give Hal Block a bad rap, but Bennett makes a lechy 'free guess' about the first guest at 3:11 "I think she has all the *outstanding features* of a model for sweaters"
Zac M. That *is* interesting -- wow! Here's some more information: www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Bonnie_Baker. This WML appearance was apparently very late in her baseball career, and looking at her stats for that time period, you can understand why she and John both preferred *not* to answer Bennett's question about her batting average! ;)
+SaveThe TPC High averages were not typical in the professional women's baseball league that was the subject of the movie "A League of Their Own". If I recall correctly, there was at least one season where the highest qualifying batting average was less than .300. A bit of personal testimony: I played baseball against boys as late as HS and found hitting to be the most difficult. I ran well, fielded well, threw well for distance (I once threw out a runner at the plate from right field and another runner stealing third the one game where I was put in at catcher) and even pitched pretty well, winning one game as a starting pitcher but mostly with good breaking pitches and control. A highlight was the time I struck out the other team's cleanup hitter who was a good foot taller than me and at least a 100 pounds taller than me. It was at their field and a number of fans were present. They were hooting and hollering as he strode to the plate. Three straight curve balls that he missed by a foot later, the crowd was silent and they removed him from the game. But I could never hit with any power. I drew my share of walks, and I was a good bunter, but I never had more than a single, even in my best year.
Carol V No, no demonstrable relationship. Think of the Yankees Yogi Berra - short but great. Best qualities for an excellent all around baseball hitter are excellent eyesight, great reflexes and just the natural ability to recognize particular pitches. The HOF player Ted Williams said that he could see and follow the red stitches on the ball after its' release by a pitcher.
@@kgs4826 Those were his gambits from the lines of questioning provided him. They were played for laughs. I didn't like his way of scratching his head all the time.
I like Hal block also. Obviously, he was quite popular at the time having made the cover of TV Guide. Daly seemed to get a kick out of playing off him for laughs. I believe Bennett was the only one who disliked him, and as much as I love Bennett, he could be quite snobbish.
@@lllowkee6533 Running his hands through his hair is mostly part of his “nervous, insecure guy” shtick, I think. I wince at Hal from time to time, but I’ve grown fond of him, and he deserves more credit for getting the audience engaged.
@@janetaylorparris I never knew of him until long after they were dead. I enjoyed watching WML on UA-cam, I learned a lot about the regulars that I didn’t know. When I was child we saw WML at my aunts house in NJ but not at home. Many TV channels didn’t come thru the mountains …
Perle Mesta as was Elsa Maxwell--raconteurs, par excellence---who through lavish Society Parties, for so Elsa Maxwell: But these high intelligent women knew Everyone and every thing about 'everyone' from Broadway, to Politicians Coast to Coast, and knew where many, many Skeletons in Washington, D.C. were buried.....the closest one could reference to the Millennials would be the late, great Elaine Stritch's persona and mannerism...in order to get a sense of the personal style of these two....Damn, but they were wonderfully entertaining to watch and listen to...
I love the bits about Stopette. I wish there were more commercials shown! I am also amazed that the posted videos are 25+ minutes for a half hour program. The commercials must have been quite short and sparse!
@@kennethlatham3133 Unlike Branalyn I would never wish for more commercials. It seems tv has reached the saturation point. They usually have commercials before a show starts and then from seven to nine minutes later some more. This continues thruout the show. Sometimes with only a three minute segment of the show which is why you are watching. I have a remote and skip commercials but they still irritate me. Ad men deliberately make them loud and annoying. I think congress passed some law that supposedly outlawed making commercials too loud. Well.......So much for that.
@@lllowkee6533 - in fairness, men didn't get and still don't get scorned if they take a less-active part in their kids' upbringing in order to focus on their careers, whether they deferred to the mother or to a nanny.
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In a speech that is available on youtube, Bennett Cerf says that when John Daly indicated an amount of time that the panel had left, this was done not to speed up the game but to slow it down. There were no other contestants and a strong desire to avoid "dead air."
I have been searching for the show where John Perona, owner of El Morocco, was the Mystery Guest on April 8, 1958. Unfortunately, I cannot find it. I stumbled on this show while looking. I've never seen Perle Mesta, completely forgotten today unless you're older, so that is serendipity.
The female contestants and the woman on the panel really had outfits with bared shoulders back then. I would think that the ladies would get a chill but they always looked warm enough. The male panelists and the contestants always have on full suit apparel. They must have been sweating sometimes. Interesting.
My Question - Does anyone know why WML had such a late tv time slot? So many people have stated they watched it as children but isn't 11pm finish time very late for school children? And I wonder if the 10:30 pm Sunday time slot was considered prime time then? :)
@Ruff Luff +Ruff Luff The show aired live in all time zones, at least during the early 50s, so kids in earlier time zones could watch the show at an earlier time. I think that in later years prerecorded episodes were shown at 10:30 in the Pacific time zone, but I think it was still live at earlier times in the Central and Mountain time zones. I was not quite 6 years old when the CBS WML ended, and I have only one distinct memory of ever watching WML live during its CBS run, though I have the feeling that there may have been a handful of times that I was allowed to stay up late enough to see it, for one reason or another. The time I recall was toward the end of a family party at a cousin's house.
@@melianna999 No, see, in the olden days people didn't go to work on Mondays. They had Mondays off. It was called Funday Monday. The idea was to not make people endure "a case of the Mondays." That was back when society cared about working people. Boomers had it so easy. They got so stay home watching "I Love Lucy" reruns instead of working.
You may have not seen him do it yet, but Hal Block's naughty shtick crossed a certain line where his antics appeared crude and disrespectful toward female contestants. Arlene was never crude and disrespectful.
Jon was giving too much help to the panel with the baseball player lady! It's up to the panel to pay attention and keep up and not fair for him to point out they might be misled. He is intentionally pulling them in the right direction over a possible 50.00 gift!
Am I correct in assuming that Hal's first bunch of questions to the baseball player was an example of a gambit? What's different about these early episodes is less interaction/feedback between contestants. I guess that would come with time.
I don't remember the segment well enough to comment on whether it was a gambit, and don't have time at the moment to rewatch it, but one clue that a gambit is being played out is when John started any round with Hal Block, or later, Steve Allen. Most often, it seems to me, the gambits were done in the second segment. As for the interaction with guests after the game was over, well, to be honest, this remained one of the few areas of weakness of the series, imo. There was probably a bit more talk between segments in later years, but not much. There was less of the silly practice of squeezing in a rushed fourth segment, but John still tended not to have much conversation with the contestants after the game, and when he did, he often gave essentially a monologue, with the contestant reduced to offering the same "yes" and "no" responses as they were limited to in the game! What did get looser, substantially, was the opening/introductions. As the series went along, the introductions got longer and longer, as did the banter before the first guest came onstage. But it remains surprising to me how infrequently John would allow for just a minute or so of casual conversation between rounds.
Agree completely. A few followup questions about an interesting profession, or a person’s history or experiences after his/her “line” is either guessed or comes to light would seem to flow naturally, but was unfortunately just now part of this show.
@@WhatsMyLine Most of the working class was beneath John Daly. He didn't really enjoy interacting with the lower classes, although sometimes he tried to fake it.
Hal "let me pause for a gambit" Block mentions a bubble at the end of his questioning of Mrs. Baker. This was most famous in the case of Sally Rand (who shows up on the show later in 1952, come to think). Anyway, it's burlesque dancing. She's in theory totally nude (but not actually), and it's a way to obscure a bit of what's going on. Ms. Rand in the bubble: ua-cam.com/video/N-FEH1FyzzI/v-deo.html
Even the girls rose when shaking Ms Mesta's hand . They should've never decided to remain seated Also i kept hearing Boney M's Ma Baker during the Bonnie section
Her real fame came from two things: 1. Because of her efforts raising funds for the Democratic Party, President Truman appointed her ambassador to Luxembourg. 2. This is turn inspired Irving Berlin to create the musical CALL ME MADAM, where Ethel Merman played a character clearly modeled on Mesta.
She was renowned for giving wonderful parties. Even famous people fought to be included in her parties, because in those days social columns generally listed all the people she invited, and people wanted to be included. When Truman was inaugurated she wasn't invited to the inaugural ball, so she showed up (uninvited) to a party given for Truman's friends and relatives, and apparently made the party a lot more fun.
She became a wealthy socialite as a result of her marriage to George Mesta whose company, Mesta Machine Co of Pittsburg, PA, manufactured huge equipment used in steel mills.
Nah, people bash Hal Block for being vulgar and, at times, engaging in thoroughly offensive behavior like making physical passes at the female contestants and mystery guests. Even aside from this stuff, his style of crude humor simply didn't fit the tone of the show at all. But you make a good point that he was actually pretty good at the legitimate part of the game.
Paul LaD I like Hal too. Larry Teren I think Hal was an excellent game player most of the time, but he was way off base going with taxidermist after he'd already asked the veterinarian if she worked with animals and if what she did had anything to do with health. And then Dorothy determining that animals "came to her," along with humans, "under their own power," I thought sure she was going to get it, but instead she *passed* of all things! I thought once they'd figured out that the contestant had something to do with animals' health they would guess veterinarian right away. I almost wonder if they all felt sort of guilty about getting on the right track so quickly, and so they deliberately pretended to be off track? Or could it be that a "lady veterinarian" was so unusual in those days that it really didn't occur to them?
Apparently, Block's behavior got worse as time progressed through 1952 and 1953 until Goodson-Todman refused to put up with any more of it. Steve Allen replaced him -- or so I've read -- and I've seen enough of him as a guest panelist in some later episodes to like him. Steve Allen was witty, smart and talented -- he originated "The Tonight Show" both as its first host and as a writer. You'll never see him behaving inappropriately with good-looking female contestants (including Miss America). People criticize Bennett Cerf for his complimenting beautiful women who appeared on the show, but Bennett never touched them or made physical passes at them.
ALL panelists should have been required to wear the same kind/type of eye covering as the men panelist wore. BOTH Arlene and Dorothy were able to see/peek out of their right eyes due to wearing their eye coverings crooked.
[corrected] Hal Block. He makes me laugh sometimes. This is one of the best gambits ever done by Hal Block. He asked pretty good questions -- even though he couldn't get her short costume out of his creaky little mind. The first contestant was a major figure in the baseball league of women's own.
Steve Allen came first-- Fred replaced Steve when he went off to start the Tonight Show in the fall of 1954. But no doubt you still prefer Steve to Hal Block. :)
"Where are you from?" "New Orleans." "Louisiana?" *headsmack* No John. Tennessee. I can't believe he asked that! Did anyone else catch that goof-up? Anyway, Hal's a pretty good player. He asks some good questions. I laughed myself silly when he fixated on Mrs. Baker's "costume." Ha!
+Kate Luxor I thought the very same thing when John felt the need to clarify which state. Yes, there are some major cities like Cleveland that have smaller counterparts in other states, but New Orleans is the one and only. Besides, when people are from the "other Cleveland" or whatever, they usually say the state with the city so people will know up front. (Now it is true that when I meet someone from the West Indies, especially the British connected portion, I will tell them I was born in Jamaica because I was born in Jamaica, Queens in NYC. But I reveal the punch line after they say, "Really?") Regarding the skimpy baseball uniforms that the women were required to wear in that league (it went by a number of different names over the years), the players were kept on a very short leash in a number of areas, including any criticism of the league. But the movie revealed how much the players hated having to play in those short skirts with much of their legs bare. I remember Maury Wills, the first major league player to steal over 100 bases in a season, would have legs covered with bruises and contusions (what they used to call "strawberries") by the end of the season. And he had long loose pants that covered most of his legs, a pair of sanitary hose up to his knees and heavier stirrup socks that the players wore up to the bottom of their pants leg (usually mid-calf length in those days). Bonnie Baker and the other female players had to slide without any protection on most of their legs, from the top of sock-covered calves to the top of the thighs, as a skirt many inches above the knee is likely to ride up the rest of the way on a slide. And Bonnie was one of the best base stealers in the league, with 504 for her career in 930 games. Twice she stole over 90 bases in a season, including a top 94 steals in 94 games. Furthermore, before she was moved to second base, she was a catcher (as was the fictional Dottie Hinson in the movie), so she was putting on shin guards over bare legs. At either position, she had to endure a number of collisions from runners sliding in. I can imagine a makeup artist needing to put makeup on her legs as well as her face for publicity photos. This isn't Bonnie Baker, but it shows a picture of another of the female players getting tended to for a nasty strawberry on her thigh. I can well imagine what it would look like in color! And yes, each team had a chaperone! s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/26/4e/94/264e946b0c93d600ae0f52f290e94771.jpg
Considering this was seen as as a very conservative time in American history what surprises me as to how the woman are showing so much of their upper bodies and seem to struggle to keep there straps up on what is a very revealing style of evening Dress. Contrast this with the sixties and the dress is more restrained in fashion as attested by later episodes interesting dichotomy
This is before Dorothy's top lip was "enlarged" with lipstick. I think she looks better this way, than with lipstick on her face. So many women did that, back then. Lucille Ball was one of them.
"Have you ever been abroad as part of your duties?" What a double meaning, since she was for a while the Ambassador to Luxembourg. Nice work if you can get it. Washington could use more good hostesses. Washington has had very little glamour since the days of Reagan. Daly started his radio news days in the 1930s in Washington at WTOP-AM, where Arthur Godfrey started as well. The good manners of WML are always interesting. Both here and in her 1956 appearance, all the panel stands up for Perle Mesta. [I hear that she started in Oklahoma oil, which is darned good beginning.] Even before she went to Luxembourg, she had some power in Washington.
soulierinvestments I've been trying to keep track of when panelists stand up or not during this rerun watch, and unless I'm forgetting something, I think this may be the first of all the available episodes in which the entire panel stands up for any guest.
I wonder if being an ambassador at the time of the show was the reason for all panelists standing to greet Ms. Pesta (I am not sure of the social conventions of the 1950s, separate from not wanting to alienate a well-known and connected hostess...regardless, Dorothy and Arlene would have known the then acceptable social norms). Every panelist stood to greet Ethel Barrymore and also Eleanor Roosevelt in later shows.
I'm 46 years old, and I just started watching this show a few days ago, but I've many episodes, and I don't care for Hal. He flirts with people (and not in a good way) and he's dirty minded alot of the time. He has funny moments once in a while, but for the most part, I consider him to be a jerk
I disliked Hal Block from the first. There was something suggestive in his leering look and his comments/questions often confirmed it. I'm surprised he lasted so long on the show. I think Daly was on tenterhooks awaiting something off-colour from him.
@@bettygoodwin4445 Have you ever BEEN to Regina? Mosquitoes or freezing cold. I spent a month there one night. And it is actually the nicest part of Saskatchewan.
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I’ve been binge watching this show. It is like watching history as it happened. When people used their manners and dressed up. It is so interesting.
Same... 34 years old, but I guess I'm an "old soul" at heart
And for many of us it’s such a great reminder of when people were respectful, talked decently and didn’t dress like slobs! And for me it’s so fascinating to see famous people whose name I know but have never seen their face! Many times if they were never on TV we wouldn’t recognize them at all!
This show takes me right back to our family room, watching TV in the 1950's, while I was growing up. Sometimes, the panel really shows the era they were in, as when Arlene asks the guest if she is a "lady veterinarian."
Bonnie Baker toying with the gregarious Hal. I love it!
Hilarious 😂😂😂 but trust Hal to think she's a fan dancer or wears scanty clothes ; I loved the way Bonnie Baker smiles , her expressive eyes and the way she led Hal on.
I'm not bagging Hal but st times I wished he would cut down on moving his hands over his hair , mouth ...the others Bennett Cerf, Arlene , Dorothy don't so one-tenth of his actions , the TV produces should have instructed Hal (if they did he must have ignored them to his own detriment) ...such a shame
The more I see Hal Block the more I like him. He never fails to make me laugh. I wish I could have met him in real life.
I am the opposite. To me, he's crude and unrefined which had a lot to do with his firing. I mean how intelligent does one have to be to know that you don't scratch an itch on public tv?
Arlene looks especially beautiful tonite.
@@jerrylee8261 he was a completely different style than the rest of the WML cast. Definitely not classy but he does make me laugh... sometimes while cringing lol and yes, Arlene is always lovely
3:55 This line of quetions from Hal Block is one of the best and funniest that I've seen on "What's My Line?". I was laughing hard by the end of it.
Same goes for Some of Steve Allen's line of questions!
Arlene just oozes grooming, poise, wit, warmth and courtesy- Broadway culture at its best.
A whole different breed. Even the way they educated their children…
Wow, I cannot believe how funny the baseball player segment was. Those were the perfect questions from Hal!
I suspect that Mr. Block was fed those questions by the producers. I heard that they used to do that, though not revealing the contestant's "line". Is that true, Mr. WhatsMyLine?
Hal was hysterical. Similar to Steve Allen. What a panel if there was also Fred Allen & Martin Gable. Ah.. ah..ah..Arlene & Dorothy could've had the night off.
No proof of any wrongdoing was ever found. It's to be prusumed it was just another case of Hal being Hal, as in the previous episode, the gas station attendant, and numerous other instances.
@@krystonjones Hal Block? Hysterical?? Similar to Steve Allen??? Nope. Not by a long shot!
@@tdell-jv7wwI think Hal is more astute than he appears, but I had the very same hunch. He got on track, so to speak, awfully fast… 🤔 But it was quite funny.
I love how John Daly smirks and helps the panel go down a wrong path by letting them hang themselves. He was a riot!
I'm amazed how quickly half an hour flies by watching these. Viewers must've been gasping for it to return the following week.
Yes we did with bated breath😂
Time didn't fly as quick as today.
Bonnie Baker! Geena Davis' character in A League of Their Own was based on her!
BadMoviesRock That's what they say, anyway... www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Bonnie_Baker
and a Canadian! Anne, Cdn living in England
john gave it away when he made it clear it was a sport
Geena Davis' name in the movie was Dottie Hinson. The character was based on Dottie Kamenshek. I looked it up in a few places.
@@sandwichman100 Yes, I agree. John really reduced the guest's chances (and money) by his remarks! BTW, that film was great! (A League of Their Own)
I used this show for social studies lesson when I was homeschooling my daughter. I would catch it on the DVR and go through them finding interesting and pertinent guests to research with my girl. The first governor of Alaska, the chairman of the first HMO, Mickey Mantle and so many people from the entertainment world. We cried when Fred Allen and Dorothy died and got a true sense of how people in the middle of the twentieth century looked, sounded and thought. Truth be told I got as much from these lessons as my child did.
"This is just an issue of what you have in your own mind...." LOL
I was dying at that! 😂😂
This episode inspired me to go and look up on Women’s baseball leagues in North America during the 1950s!
Thanks. It was fun seeing the familiar panel members 10 years younger from previous uploads. I loved Hal Block squirming on the first guest.
At 16:38 we hear the first use of "weenie" to describe a sudden realization by a panelist. Hal has just asked Perle Mesta if she had ever been abroad. When she says, "Yes", John says that he sees weenies all over the place. Apparently the other 3 panelists' reactions showed that they realized who the MG was at that point.
In future shows, "weenie" is used from time to time, usually Dorothy saying that she just had a weenie. This show is the only place I have ever heard this usage of the word, and I think its use ceased some time during the 1950s. It appears to have been one of those slang usages that flourished for a while and then disappeared from the lexicon.
@D Thomas Thanks for the correction. I had seen the episode but missed the use of the term.
Arlene Francis also uses it on a much later episode that I think was after Dorothy passed, it may have even been after the initial run on one of the 1970s airings with a different host possibly. I don’t remember exactly when but she definitely made a comment to the effect of, I just had what Dorothy would call a weenie
I am LOVING how hardcore you fans are! As an amateur linguist and a new fan myself.
@@janetaylorparris As an amateur linguist, I highly recommend you pay close attention to all that John Daly says over the years. There were few better linguists in the English language than he. And honestly, I hope you continue your path. We need people who understand and can comprehend the language.
@@rmelin13231Thank you! After less than 1 year watching these episodes, I have a dedicated document noting all kinds of words, phrases, and slang I’ve picked up from these episodes! It’s pure joy. I can’t get enough!
Perle Mesta earned much of her wealth as a result of her marriage in 1916 to George Mesta. George Mesta's company, Mesta Machine, was a major heavy equipment manufacturer of steel mill equipment (particularly for rolling mills) in West Homestead, PA. When her husband passed away in 1925, she was left with a fortune of 78 million dollars. That may not seem like much by today's standards of fabulous wealth, but it was quite a bit for the mid 1920s.
12 times more for today dollar around billion.
About 13 years later baseball started being played indoors as well as outdoors.
The first indoor game being April 9, 1965 - Yankees @ Astros in an exhibition game before an audience of 47,879.
Doug Mangum
Yeah. Mickey Mantle homered in that game. I remember it well.
Whew! Ms. Mesta was practically falling out of her dress by the end of her round. (And to think this was early TV.)
Also, that Ms. Mesta, whose visage were so renowned back then that the panel had be blindfolded, has been totally left behind by history. I had to Google her name to find out what in the world she signified. And I'm 58 years old.
Actually the neckline of her dress, while quite low, was the same all the way through. What you probably noticed was her shawl slipping off of her bare left shoulder. A shawl slipping off a shoulder is quite common.
Musical comedy fans know of Perle Mesta as the inspiration for the lead character in Irving Berlin's CALL ME MADAM, in which Mrs. Sally Adams (Ethel Merman), a Washington hostess, is US ambassador to the fictional "Lichtenburg."
@z Have read in articles about her...the inherited Monies would put her in the range of $ 500, to $ 750 Million...and given her business acumen and Washington insider knowledge...probably would wind-up a Billionaire....LoL..
How many of today's "celebs" will be remembered mere years from now ? Many WmL MGs stood the test of time and will keep doing so for decades to come
Can't find Mrs. Whitten. Meanwhile, Dr. Madden (Gerry to many) came from a long line of veterinarians, from Bradford, PA. (Seven of them in the family, which includes an in-law or two.) Contracted polio at age 3 ½, apparently had a deformed spine, but her manual dexterity was fine, so general veterinary (plus a specialty in surgery) was eminently possible. She taught biology (for some indeterminate period) at the University of Pittsburgh-Bradford, and is referred to as 'legendary,' which I can fully believe. (In part for her swearing, which she apparently did copiously, and in part for her standards as a teacher, which were stringent.) She seems to have moved to Streator and then moved back to Bradford later, since she was teaching in the 50s and 60s. She got married in 1944, and eventually divorced. (Possibly this has to do with her moving back to Bradford, but that's totally speculation.) Died in 1990 (but I can't find an obit).
Fond reminisce: www.upb.pitt.edu/templates/Beyond.aspx?menu_id=250&id=36806
She reminds me of Temple Grandin, maybe in looks a bit and mannerisms (eye rolling about wild guesses she thinks are stupid). Does anything about her bio indicate that she was on the spectrum?
Wow! I wonder how Hal started so quickly with the "location" of wearing the product? Sure moved the questions along!
People are often quick to give Hal Block a bad rap, but Bennett makes a lechy 'free guess' about the first guest at 3:11 "I think she has all the *outstanding features* of a model for sweaters"
I know, right? I like Hal.
They were both sleazy pervs.
Interesting to find out that Geena Davis' character "Dottie" in the movie "A league of their own" was loosely based on the guest Bonnie Baker..
Zac M. That *is* interesting -- wow! Here's some more information: www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Bonnie_Baker. This WML appearance was apparently very late in her baseball career, and looking at her stats for that time period, you can understand why she and John both preferred *not* to answer Bennett's question about her batting average! ;)
+SaveThe TPC
High averages were not typical in the professional women's baseball league that was the subject of the movie "A League of Their Own". If I recall correctly, there was at least one season where the highest qualifying batting average was less than .300.
A bit of personal testimony: I played baseball against boys as late as HS and found hitting to be the most difficult. I ran well, fielded well, threw well for distance (I once threw out a runner at the plate from right field and another runner stealing third the one game where I was put in at catcher) and even pitched pretty well, winning one game as a starting pitcher but mostly with good breaking pitches and control. A highlight was the time I struck out the other team's cleanup hitter who was a good foot taller than me and at least a 100 pounds taller than me. It was at their field and a number of fans were present. They were hooting and hollering as he strode to the plate. Three straight curve balls that he missed by a foot later, the crowd was silent and they removed him from the game.
But I could never hit with any power. I drew my share of walks, and I was a good bunter, but I never had more than a single, even in my best year.
Gravydog316 Tough season for the Roughriders, eh?
It helps to b tall for a hitter? No?
Carol V No, no demonstrable relationship. Think of the Yankees Yogi Berra - short but great. Best qualities for an excellent all around baseball hitter are excellent eyesight, great reflexes and just the natural ability to recognize particular pitches. The HOF player Ted Williams said that he could see and follow the red stitches on the ball after its' release by a pitcher.
Hal is hilarious with some of his initial assumptions.
And it seems he doesnt have the intelligence to realize he is on the wrong tack.
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Those were his gambits from the lines of questioning provided him. They were played for laughs. I didn't like his way of scratching his head all the time.
@@kgs4826 people are a bit harsh on Hal. He also died under tragic circumstances (fire) so I always feel kinda sad seeing him here.
I like Hal block also. Obviously, he was quite popular at the time having made the cover of TV Guide. Daly seemed to get a kick out of playing off him for laughs. I believe Bennett was the only one who disliked him, and as much as I love Bennett, he could be quite snobbish.
Block, a gag writer, got fired for being sleazy. His career never recovered and he vanished from the biz a few years later.
I never heard of Block till watching WML on UA-cam.
Don’t care much for him, and, he can’t keep his hands out of his hair.
@@lllowkee6533 Running his hands through his hair is mostly part of his “nervous, insecure guy” shtick, I think. I wince at Hal from time to time, but I’ve grown fond of him, and he deserves more credit for getting the audience engaged.
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I never knew of him until long after they were dead. I enjoyed watching WML on UA-cam, I learned a lot about the regulars that I didn’t know.
When I was child we saw WML at my aunts house in NJ but not at home. Many TV channels didn’t come thru the mountains …
Wow the Baseball player played in Kalamazoo! I was born there some years later.
i only know the town from a Zappa song - it's a great name for a town
I was laughing at the facial expressions on the veterinarian. Even she knew the "free guess" nonsense was very lame.
Perle Mesta as was Elsa Maxwell--raconteurs, par excellence---who through lavish Society Parties, for so Elsa Maxwell: But these high intelligent women knew Everyone and every thing about 'everyone' from Broadway, to Politicians Coast to Coast, and knew where many, many Skeletons in Washington, D.C. were buried.....the closest one could reference to the Millennials would be the late, great Elaine Stritch's persona and mannerism...in order to get a sense of the personal style of these two....Damn, but they were wonderfully entertaining to watch and listen to...
I love the bits about Stopette. I wish there were more commercials shown! I am also amazed that the posted videos are 25+ minutes for a half hour program. The commercials must have been quite short and sparse!
Yes, they didn't show 5-minute blocs of 20 ea 15 second seemingly endless ads, to where you forgot what the hell you were watching in the first place.
@@kennethlatham3133 Unlike Branalyn I would never wish for more commercials. It seems tv has reached the saturation point. They usually have commercials before a show starts and then from seven to nine minutes later some more. This continues thruout the show. Sometimes with only a three minute segment of the show which is why you are watching.
I have a remote and skip commercials but they still irritate me. Ad men deliberately make them loud and annoying. I think congress passed some law that supposedly outlawed making commercials too loud. Well.......So much for that.
@@jerrylee8261 youtube ruins monetized or ©claimed videos in exactly the same way - was watching 4 Last Songs ( Richard Strauss ) the other day and wham in the middle of the first delicate song :
screeming ads
i _hate_ that
Without ads we'd be paying a subscription fee 😢
Arlene and Dorothy were real women. Poised. Educated. Successful. Professionals. Moms and wives. Top of their professional fields.
With children raised by nannies and babysitters.
@@lllowkee6533 - in fairness, men didn't get and still don't get scorned if they take a less-active part in their kids' upbringing in order to focus on their careers, whether they deferred to the mother or to a nanny.
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It looks like the panel was stalling on that last contestant to fill the time. Smart TV.
I had that impression too. There's no way Dorothy hadn't figured it out!
In a speech that is available on youtube, Bennett Cerf says that when John Daly indicated an amount of time that the panel had left, this was done not to speed up the game but to slow it down. There were no other contestants and a strong desire to avoid "dead air."
I have been searching for the show where John Perona, owner of El Morocco, was the Mystery Guest on April 8, 1958. Unfortunately, I cannot find it. I stumbled on this show while looking. I've never seen Perle Mesta, completely forgotten today unless you're older, so that is serendipity.
Very brave dress for Perle Mesta who was here 63 years old.
Hal Block's finest moment.
Perle is the mostess!
Wow Bennet Cerf looked older here than he did in any of the later shows.
He didn't because he had more hair 😂
But his hair is white on the sides. I wonder if he had it dyed later.@@sandrababb9062
Bonnie Baker's segment was turned into a Heritage Minute here in Canada.
The female contestants and the woman on the panel really had outfits with bared shoulders back then. I would think that the ladies would get a chill but they always looked warm enough. The male panelists and the contestants always have on full suit apparel. They must have been sweating sometimes. Interesting.
I'm glad they stopped having the contestants exit behind John Daly. It looked unprofessional.
My Question - Does anyone know why WML had such a late tv time slot? So many people have stated they watched it as children but isn't 11pm finish time very late for school children? And I wonder if the 10:30 pm Sunday time slot was considered prime time then? :)
My guess is that the late time slot enabled people involved in broadway shows and concerts to take part as MGs.
@Ruff Luff +Ruff Luff The show aired live in all time zones, at least during the early 50s, so kids in earlier time zones could watch the show at an earlier time. I think that in later years prerecorded episodes were shown at 10:30 in the Pacific time zone, but I think it was still live at earlier times in the Central and Mountain time zones. I was not quite 6 years old when the CBS WML ended, and I have only one distinct memory of ever watching WML live during its CBS run, though I have the feeling that there may have been a handful of times that I was allowed to stay up late enough to see it, for one reason or another. The time I recall was toward the end of a family party at a cousin's house.
For many of us who lived in a different time zone, 10:30pm was 8:30pm in Arizona! Sometimes people forget about out West!!!
Strange time because most of people were going to work Monday morning.
@@melianna999 No, see, in the olden days people didn't go to work on Mondays. They had Mondays off. It was called Funday Monday. The idea was to not make people endure "a case of the Mondays." That was back when society cared about working people. Boomers had it so easy. They got so stay home watching "I Love Lucy" reruns instead of working.
I think Arlene was almost as naughty and flirty as Hal, however the difference is she was charming. But I like Hal.
You may have not seen him do it yet, but Hal Block's naughty shtick crossed a certain line where his antics appeared crude and disrespectful toward female contestants. Arlene was never crude and disrespectful.
re watching so of the other show again.
Second contestant. Boy, John didn't know from orthodontia.
Jon was giving too much help to the panel with the baseball player lady! It's up to the panel to pay attention and keep up and not fair for him to point out they might be misled. He is intentionally pulling them in the right direction over a possible 50.00 gift!
Frank, I agree. With other guests, John did not so easily "direct" the panelists' thoughts. Foul Play, I say! 🤨
Is there a reason you are posting some of the first episodes. Will you be continuing to post in order? From 1961 on?
There were some episodes missing, which he didn't have. Now that he has obtained them they're being uploaded to fill the gaps.
"Sheesh" give Hal a break i feel john's authoritarianism shine through.
Am I correct in assuming that Hal's first bunch of questions to the baseball player was an example of a gambit? What's different about these early episodes is less interaction/feedback between contestants. I guess that would come with time.
I don't remember the segment well enough to comment on whether it was a gambit, and don't have time at the moment to rewatch it, but one clue that a gambit is being played out is when John started any round with Hal Block, or later, Steve Allen. Most often, it seems to me, the gambits were done in the second segment.
As for the interaction with guests after the game was over, well, to be honest, this remained one of the few areas of weakness of the series, imo. There was probably a bit more talk between segments in later years, but not much. There was less of the silly practice of squeezing in a rushed fourth segment, but John still tended not to have much conversation with the contestants after the game, and when he did, he often gave essentially a monologue, with the contestant reduced to offering the same "yes" and "no" responses as they were limited to in the game!
What did get looser, substantially, was the opening/introductions. As the series went along, the introductions got longer and longer, as did the banter before the first guest came onstage. But it remains surprising to me how infrequently John would allow for just a minute or so of casual conversation between rounds.
Agree completely. A few followup questions about an interesting profession, or a person’s history or experiences after his/her “line” is either guessed or comes to light would seem to flow naturally, but was unfortunately just now part of this show.
...just “ not” part of the show.
@@WhatsMyLine Most of the working class was beneath John Daly. He didn't really enjoy interacting with the lower classes, although sometimes he tried to fake it.
Sometimes I think panel people have help from the audience.
Hal "let me pause for a gambit" Block mentions a bubble at the end of his questioning of Mrs. Baker.
This was most famous in the case of Sally Rand (who shows up on the show later in 1952, come to think). Anyway, it's burlesque dancing. She's in theory totally nude (but not actually), and it's a way to obscure a bit of what's going on.
Ms. Rand in the bubble: ua-cam.com/video/N-FEH1FyzzI/v-deo.html
Cute & graceful 👍
“Are they alive?!”
No Hal, no they are not lol.
Why did they put up with Hal Block as long as they did? He is nothing short of disgusting.
Arlene looks gorgeous!
Even the girls rose when shaking Ms Mesta's hand . They should've never decided to remain seated
Also i kept hearing Boney M's Ma Baker during the Bonnie section
So Perle Mesta was famous for being a socialite...so she was the 1950s Paris Hilton? Her father was even a hotel owner.
Her real fame came from two things:
1. Because of her efforts raising funds for the Democratic Party, President Truman appointed her ambassador to Luxembourg.
2. This is turn inspired Irving Berlin to create the musical CALL ME MADAM, where Ethel Merman played a character clearly modeled on Mesta.
Bingo! That's where I know Pearl Mesta from...Call Me Madam.
She was renowned for giving wonderful parties. Even famous people fought to be included in her parties, because in those days social columns generally listed all the people she invited, and people wanted to be included. When Truman was inaugurated she wasn't invited to the inaugural ball, so she showed up (uninvited) to a party given for Truman's friends and relatives, and apparently made the party a lot more fun.
She became a wealthy socialite as a result of her marriage to George Mesta whose company, Mesta Machine Co of Pittsburg, PA, manufactured huge equipment used in steel mills.
The panel has a surprising lot of trouble guessing veterinarian…?
They were told to waste time.
people knock hal for his goofiness but he always seems to hone in on the area quicker than the others and helps them close the job.
Nah, people bash Hal Block for being vulgar and, at times, engaging in thoroughly offensive behavior like making physical passes at the female contestants and mystery guests. Even aside from this stuff, his style of crude humor simply didn't fit the tone of the show at all. But you make a good point that he was actually pretty good at the legitimate part of the game.
I LIKE Hal.
Paul LaD I like Hal too.
Larry Teren I think Hal was an excellent game player most of the time, but he was way off base going with taxidermist after he'd already asked the veterinarian if she worked with animals and if what she did had anything to do with health. And then Dorothy determining that animals "came to her," along with humans, "under their own power," I thought sure she was going to get it, but instead she *passed* of all things! I thought once they'd figured out that the contestant had something to do with animals' health they would guess veterinarian right away. I almost wonder if they all felt sort of guilty about getting on the right track so quickly, and so they deliberately pretended to be off track? Or could it be that a "lady veterinarian" was so unusual in those days that it really didn't occur to them?
Larry Teren the producers didnt agree as he was gone after 1953
Apparently, Block's behavior got worse as time progressed through 1952 and 1953 until Goodson-Todman refused to put up with any more of it. Steve Allen replaced him -- or so I've read -- and I've seen enough of him as a guest panelist in some later episodes to like him. Steve Allen was witty, smart and talented -- he originated "The Tonight Show" both as its first host and as a writer. You'll never see him behaving inappropriately with good-looking female contestants (including Miss America). People criticize Bennett Cerf for his complimenting beautiful women who appeared on the show, but Bennett never touched them or made physical passes at them.
ALL panelists should have been required to wear the same kind/type of eye covering as the men panelist wore. BOTH Arlene and Dorothy were able to see/peek out of their right eyes due to wearing their eye coverings crooked.
[corrected] Hal Block. He makes me laugh sometimes. This is one of the best gambits ever done by Hal Block. He asked pretty good questions -- even though he couldn't get her short costume out of his creaky little mind. The first contestant was a major figure in the baseball league of women's own.
soulierinvestments Don't you mean baseball league?
SaveThe TPC Yes. thanx. I corrected it.
She should have hurled a baseball at his head!
@@bookwoman53 HIS head was so hard it would have bounced off!
Watching them all in order and I can't wait until Hal Block is replaced by the hilarious Fred Allen.
Steve Allen came first-- Fred replaced Steve when he went off to start the Tonight Show in the fall of 1954. But no doubt you still prefer Steve to Hal Block. :)
Me too...
PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER
MAKES BRACES FOR TEETH
VETERINARIAN
"Where are you from?" "New Orleans." "Louisiana?" *headsmack* No John. Tennessee. I can't believe he asked that! Did anyone else catch that goof-up? Anyway, Hal's a pretty good player. He asks some good questions. I laughed myself silly when he fixated on Mrs. Baker's "costume." Ha!
+Kate Luxor
I thought the very same thing when John felt the need to clarify which state. Yes, there are some major cities like Cleveland that have smaller counterparts in other states, but New Orleans is the one and only. Besides, when people are from the "other Cleveland" or whatever, they usually say the state with the city so people will know up front. (Now it is true that when I meet someone from the West Indies, especially the British connected portion, I will tell them I was born in Jamaica because I was born in Jamaica, Queens in NYC. But I reveal the punch line after they say, "Really?")
Regarding the skimpy baseball uniforms that the women were required to wear in that league (it went by a number of different names over the years), the players were kept on a very short leash in a number of areas, including any criticism of the league. But the movie revealed how much the players hated having to play in those short skirts with much of their legs bare.
I remember Maury Wills, the first major league player to steal over 100 bases in a season, would have legs covered with bruises and contusions (what they used to call "strawberries") by the end of the season. And he had long loose pants that covered most of his legs, a pair of sanitary hose up to his knees and heavier stirrup socks that the players wore up to the bottom of their pants leg (usually mid-calf length in those days).
Bonnie Baker and the other female players had to slide without any protection on most of their legs, from the top of sock-covered calves to the top of the thighs, as a skirt many inches above the knee is likely to ride up the rest of the way on a slide. And Bonnie was one of the best base stealers in the league, with 504 for her career in 930 games. Twice she stole over 90 bases in a season, including a top 94 steals in 94 games. Furthermore, before she was moved to second base, she was a catcher (as was the fictional Dottie Hinson in the movie), so she was putting on shin guards over bare legs. At either position, she had to endure a number of collisions from runners sliding in. I can imagine a makeup artist needing to put makeup on her legs as well as her face for publicity photos.
This isn't Bonnie Baker, but it shows a picture of another of the female players getting tended to for a nasty strawberry on her thigh. I can well imagine what it would look like in color! And yes, each team had a chaperone!
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Considering this was seen as as a very conservative time in American history what surprises me as to how the woman are showing so much of their upper bodies and seem to struggle to keep there straps up on what is a very revealing style of evening Dress. Contrast this with the sixties and the dress is more restrained in fashion as attested by later episodes interesting dichotomy
Have you have the opportunity to see the Regency fashion? 1800 to 1820 were years of pretty daring décolletage.
Until today with evening dresses showing of half boobies and buttocks haha,
Mrs. Kilgallen was thinking baseball but Mr. Block was thinking tennis. She had a method she used in her questionings. Interesting.
This is before Dorothy's top lip was "enlarged" with lipstick. I think she looks better this way, than with lipstick on her face. So many women did that, back then. Lucille Ball was one of them.
Hal was a real ladies man. love him here. haha
Bennett Perf looked younger 10 years later.
"Have you ever been abroad as part of your duties?" What a double meaning, since she was for a while the Ambassador to Luxembourg. Nice work if you can get it.
Washington could use more good hostesses. Washington has had very little glamour since the days of Reagan. Daly started his radio news days in the 1930s in Washington at WTOP-AM, where Arthur Godfrey started as well.
The good manners of WML are always interesting. Both here and in her 1956 appearance, all the panel stands up for Perle Mesta. [I hear that she started in Oklahoma oil, which is darned good beginning.] Even before she went to Luxembourg, she had some power in Washington.
soulierinvestments I've been trying to keep track of when panelists stand up or not during this rerun watch, and unless I'm forgetting something, I think this may be the first of all the available episodes in which the entire panel stands up for any guest.
John F Kennedy said:" Washington is a city of Southern efficiency and Northern hospitality."
I wonder if being an ambassador at the time of the show was the reason for all panelists standing to greet Ms. Pesta (I am not sure of the social conventions of the 1950s, separate from not wanting to alienate a well-known and connected hostess...regardless, Dorothy and Arlene would have known the then acceptable social norms). Every panelist stood to greet Ethel Barrymore and also Eleanor Roosevelt in later shows.
Fourth game. Arlene sounds utterly appalled at Hal's observations toward the end.
BLOCK was such a sleaze-bag!
Didn't Bonnie Baker go robbing banks with Clyde Barrow?
I assume you're joking, but FTR, that was Bonnie Parker. :)
Looking at her, I honestly thought she was black, but I googled her. I guess not.
Always go to google to determine someone's skin color. Because that's very important.
I'm 46 years old, and I just started watching this show a few days ago, but I've many episodes, and I don't care for Hal. He flirts with people (and not in a good way) and he's dirty minded alot of the time. He has funny moments once in a while, but for the most part, I consider him to be a jerk
Krista Brewer I don’t care for him much either
Krista Brewer Most everyone agrees with you.
CERF.......
I disliked Hal Block from the first. There was something suggestive in his leering look and his comments/questions often confirmed it. I'm surprised he lasted so long on the show. I think Daly was on tenterhooks awaiting something off-colour from him.
i cant believe the first guest was allowed to say the name of her town on TV. i mean, this was 1952.
Regina? No reason not to say that.
@@bettygoodwin4445 Have you ever BEEN to Regina? Mosquitoes or freezing cold. I spent a month there one night. And it is actually the nicest part of Saskatchewan.
What? Believe it or not, you could mention the name of your town on tv in the ancient times of 1952.
could not stand Hal Block
that's why Regina rhymes with fun... sorry, deadpool reference
the vet: because she's a woman?
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