Yes it was a sad day for Flamborough, But only time would tell if this was going to be the end of true hero's and life saving at Flamborough. I am happy to say that the 2 inshore boats that Flamborough has had so far have also been worth their weight in gold. After many years on inshore boat rescues still happen, the crews are Awesome and are ready to go when requested. The Elite of Flamborough never turn back. God speed all that are in the flamborough crews new and old. Im proud of you all George Traves
What were the reasons for changing to a craft that couldn't go out in all weathers because of its size & being an inflatable? The reasons aren't clear, is it purely financial? I also don't get the reasons for the "new" crew going against the old crew when they are so inexperienced, so how could they judge ? I wonder if they weren't paid something to do so.
Ps Do you have an update on how the new boat has fared over the last 27 yrs ? Or rather, how have rescues gone in that area when there is no local boat ? It seems a very inhumane decision was made & without discussing it with the locals as well as the old crew.
Awwww! I could really feel their sadness at the loss of their boat and traditions. So very sad. Very nice documentary and I loved the music by Enya. It went perfectly with the images. Thank you.
To here Robert’s voice brought me to tears That man helped me more than you can imagine and for me been a wessi He’s one of the reasons I now have a gansie and the love of the sea
Heartbreaking. I cut my donations & changed my will when the RNLI executive shelved the crew for having saucy tea mugs. Decades of life saving experience axed by vacuous office wallers who couldn't scratch an itch! This documentary has just hardened my resolve which saddens me no end but you have to stand up for your principles to retain an element of self-respect.
Its terrible when bureaucracy detracts from the point of why we are here?? Saving lives and keeping heroes motivated is surely paramount. Thanks for commenting.
qmmo don’t forget the £200,000 a year plus wages for the head of the service , while volunteers do the dangerous work , while he cut our coverage to a rib around NW and the Mersey, and channelled £5000,000 to Bangladesh and Pakistan , buying burkinis and swimming lessons for the locals , you couldn’t make it up and I sail .
@@richardkelly5409 When was that? Did he have permission from those who donate to spend the money abroad while cutting back on services at home ? I'm really shocked.
The experience of a lifetime at sea can not be replaced by a training people for a few weeks on how to rescue people at sea. If you lose the experience you lose the real knowledge.
I've always stood by the Crew of the RNLI Lifeboats as for the Executives at the top of the RNLI well they are the worst thing to happen the the organisation in the last few years.
I remember Michael Vlasto who was the Atlantic 21 training officer in this film!! He made it right to the top of RNLI in the 90’s as chief of operations.
Poignant and powefull video. Side note :- The transition to the last bit (f1 coverage) was a real reminder of VHS recording, LP (long play) aswell lol.
@@zerotoleranceforsataniceli4794 Locals we’re the reason it happened at Margate. Margate was supposed to get a new Shannon Class All-Weather Lifeboat to replace the Mersey Class All-Weather Lifeboat but local business owners objected to planning permission for a new lifeboat station because it would spoil their views. They clearly forgot that lifeboat stations are also popular tourist attractions and would actually bring visitors to their businesses. As a result, Margate was downgraded to an ILB only station with a D Class and an Atlantic 85.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder I wouldn't call business owners locals. I'd call them business owners. Why did a new boat house have to be built ? Why was the sea view considered more important than lives ? Who had the final say ? Were the locals asked what they preferred ie the people who live there and those who use the waters for work ? Just sounds corrupt with the decision being made upon lobbying ie by businesses. I
Hi Martin, yeah the passion is ingrained and it was sad to see brother fall out with cousin and rifts created. Its all water under the bridge now but definitely a dark time for the village.😀
I remember there being a documentary broadcast on national television about the removal of the all weather lifeboat at Flamborough when I was a kid. I wonder if this was the one or if there was another?
I remember my Father telling me about Mr.Emmerson when we were on Holiday in Flamborough in the 60's and seeing him many, many Years later selling Crabs and Fish up at bold North Landing.I bet he was a very interesting Man,what fine stories he would be able to tell.Did his family ever publish a Book? I would like to know more about him really,I presume,now,he has passed away? His He interred in ST.Oswald's Flamborough? I would like to visit his Grave.Regards.
Utterly alpalling, and at the same time, inevitable. "Executives" feathering their nests at all cost to anyone but them. My late step-dad was a memebr of RNLI, and was the bravest man I knew. He'd be spinning in his grave. Management, eh? Useless.
It's sad the RNLI have taken the off shore lifeboat, if they want to place a Atlantic 21they could but leave the off shore this way they could have the best of both worlds a fast life boat for when conditions permit and a off shore lifeboat for distant help and for when the sea conditions are too bad for the Atlantic 21.
Hi Wayne, thanks for you're comment. Please click the subscribe button to see more content about Flamborough. Here's a link to where you can check out the old girl. John www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/2181/will-and-fanny-kirby
This is the second video I’ve seen with Robert Emmerson in,what a guy,it’s such a shame the boat couldn’t have stayed at Flamborough,even if just to be viewed by the visitors,it obviously meant so much to the local community.
These men would have been on the life boat, been down the ramp and out to sea long before the very expensive high tech Bridlington boat of today. I find it absolutely ludicrous to watch, it cannot be any quicker to launch than it is to put away. Having watched them one evening I shudder to think of my life or anyone else's being at stake, but they did seem very proud of their pieces of kit!!!!!!!!!
Bridlington has a totally different beach profile to Flamborough, they can’t just launch down a ramp into the sea. Plus that very expensive high tech boat is faster, better equipped and safer for crew and casualties than the Oakley in this video. Even if the Oakley was quicker to launch, it’s not the speed of the launch that matters, it’s the speed at which the lifeboat can reach the casualty, which the modern boats win hands down.
@@Mike-dn7oz I would totally agree with you about the speed of these modern boats but that is just the problem, what is the point of having a wonderfully powerful fast boat if it takes for ever to launch. I know what you mean about the beach at Brid but I do think that not enough thought went into the speed of launching.
There's less protection for the rescue crew on an inflatable - no cabin for starters. So as this film clip says, it can't be launched in all weathers - that's a huge drawback if you exist to save lives. No point in an empty RNLI boat at sea ( if your crew get knocked off by waves) , however fast it goes.
@@zerotoleranceforsataniceli4794 it's not a question of a cabin, if they had a ramp from where the boat house is straight down on to the beach they could launch the life boat far quicker as it is they have to move it half way down the promenade before they can get on to the beach.
@@malakai651 Absolutely agree about the launching. If the new boat takes 8 or 10 mins to launch and depends on other equipment to get inflated & to the beach, whilst the old boat takes 2 minutes to launch, but is slower, then the new boat must make up at least 6 minutes to even catch up with the old boat. I think what was done was absolutely appalling and if the general public were aware of this and of the salaries ofvthe CEO, I think the support for RNLI would be seriously dented. I was in fact referring to the qualities of the new boat in that it appears to have no protection ie no sides & no cabin or any protection, hence the inability to go out in all storms, hence setting out now an agenda that actually saves less lives. This goes completely against the ethos that has been in place for centuries, I'm sure. The saving of the 29 aboard the Bonita in Dec 1981 could not be done now with the new inflatable boats. I think that is to the discredit, in fact, to the shame of the RNLI
No one likes change, fear of the unknown and traditional ways of doing things from Father to Son or daughter is a strong emotion, throw the possibility of loss of life into the mix it's an impossible thing to decide on for the best. At the time each faction had its own moral "lifeboat" to cling to.
Superimposed yes - fake no. If you did not watch the whole piece then your comments are invalid. You have robbed yourself of an important piece of history and a moving insight into the people of Flamborough. It's your life so stay ignorant if you must.
@@maurices5259 Oh what a pompous arse you are. 1. If you had ever written an article or a book or produced a video or a piece of music (as I have) you might know that the opening 30 seconds must captivate the reader/viewer/listener with its tone and authenticity. This, for me, did not. My right, my choice. 2. I did not "rob myself" of anything. I simply chose not to view something which was only of curiosity value and of no practical value in my life to know. 3. Watching only 30 seconds, disliking it, departing, and criticising the first 30 seconds IS a perfectly valid reality and obviously not a criticism of what I did not see. But, as in #1, I found the opening so vomituous and could therefore conclude its style would remain the same throughout. 4. I am not British. Why does it make me "ignorant" to not know everything about the history of everywhere. 5. You may like it. I did not. I said so. Get over it.
@@thedolphin5428 with your experience in this field it would be great if you could do you research on this beautiful place & make a lovely video for us all.
@@wayneash1979 Oh, ho ho. Such a funny boy you are. Why is it that people today are soooo precious they just cannot accept to see/hear valid criticism anymore. No doubt you have opinions and things to say about your least favourite politicians, Wayne? So, is a sensible retort to that to ask "why don't you go and make a few laws, run a few government departments yourself". Do you not criticise things you can't do better? Ever shouted instructions at a footballer or a referee, Wayne? Not everything about everything is great, perfect, well done, stands the test of time, appeals to all people. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM with reality? Get over other people not thinking just like you.
Please drop a comment below of your memories or tales of this time.
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Yes it was a sad day for Flamborough, But only time would tell if this was going to be the end of true hero's and life saving at Flamborough. I am happy to say that the 2 inshore boats that Flamborough has had so far have also been worth their weight in gold. After many years on inshore boat rescues still happen, the crews are Awesome and are ready to go when requested. The Elite of Flamborough never turn back. God speed all that are in the flamborough crews new and old. Im proud of you all George Traves
@@QUADBLADER thanks for your kind comments. John
What were the reasons for changing to a craft that couldn't go out in all weathers because of its size & being an inflatable?
The reasons aren't clear, is it purely financial?
I also don't get the reasons for the "new" crew going against the old crew when they are so inexperienced, so how could they judge ?
I wonder if they weren't paid something to do so.
Ps Do you have an update on how the new boat has fared over the last 27 yrs ?
Or rather, how have rescues gone in that area when there is no local boat ?
It seems a very inhumane decision was made & without discussing it with the locals as well as the old crew.
I live thousands of miles away from any RNLI lifeboat but have always admired the courage and dedication of all RNLI volunteers .
Awwww! I could really feel their sadness at the loss of their boat and traditions. So very sad. Very nice documentary and I loved the music by Enya. It went perfectly with the images. Thank you.
To here Robert’s voice brought me to tears
That man helped me more than you can imagine and for me been a wessi
He’s one of the reasons I now have a gansie and the love of the sea
Heartbreaking. I cut my donations & changed my will when the RNLI executive shelved the crew for having saucy tea mugs. Decades of life saving experience axed by vacuous office wallers who couldn't scratch an itch! This documentary has just hardened my resolve which saddens me no end but you have to stand up for your principles to retain an element of self-respect.
Its terrible when bureaucracy detracts from the point of why we are here?? Saving lives and keeping heroes motivated is surely paramount. Thanks for commenting.
qmmo don’t forget the £200,000 a year plus wages for the head of the service , while volunteers do the dangerous work , while he cut our coverage to a rib around NW and the Mersey, and channelled £5000,000 to Bangladesh and Pakistan , buying burkinis and swimming lessons for the locals , you couldn’t make it up and I sail .
Everyone of the lads are true heroes , going out in horrendous conditions , often in the dark , to save strangers’ lives .
@@richardkelly5409 When was that?
Did he have permission from those who donate to spend the money abroad while cutting back on services at home ?
I'm really shocked.
The experience of a lifetime at sea can not be replaced by a training people for a few weeks on how to rescue people at sea. If you lose the experience you lose the real knowledge.
I've always stood by the Crew of the RNLI Lifeboats as for the Executives at the top of the RNLI well they are the worst thing to happen the the organisation in the last few years.
I remember Michael Vlasto who was the Atlantic 21 training officer in this film!! He made it right to the top of RNLI in the 90’s as chief of operations.
Poignant and powefull video.
Side note :- The transition to the last bit (f1 coverage) was a real reminder of VHS recording, LP (long play) aswell lol.
Thanks Paul
Nice video memory. Same thing happening at Filey now - they are getting an Atlantic next year
The times are constantly a changing. Lol thanks for commenting Karl.
Same at my old station, Margate.
@@joelwhitaker2274 What do the locals think ?
@@zerotoleranceforsataniceli4794 Locals we’re the reason it happened at Margate. Margate was supposed to get a new Shannon Class All-Weather Lifeboat to replace the Mersey Class All-Weather Lifeboat but local business owners objected to planning permission for a new lifeboat station because it would spoil their views. They clearly forgot that lifeboat stations are also popular tourist attractions and would actually bring visitors to their businesses. As a result, Margate was downgraded to an ILB only station with a D Class and an Atlantic 85.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder
I wouldn't call business owners locals. I'd call them business owners.
Why did a new boat house have to be built ?
Why was the sea view considered more important than lives ?
Who had the final say ?
Were the locals asked what they preferred ie the people who live there and those who use the waters for work ?
Just sounds corrupt with the decision being made upon lobbying ie by businesses.
I
very interesting documentary... very sad to see people who care so much locally so disappointed
Hi Martin, yeah the passion is ingrained and it was sad to see brother fall out with cousin and rifts created. Its all water under the bridge now but definitely a dark time for the village.😀
I remember there being a documentary broadcast on national television about the removal of the all weather lifeboat at Flamborough when I was a kid. I wonder if this was the one or if there was another?
I remember my Father telling me about Mr.Emmerson when we were on Holiday in Flamborough in the 60's and seeing him many, many Years later selling Crabs and Fish up at bold North Landing.I bet he was a very interesting Man,what fine stories he would be able to tell.Did his family ever publish a Book? I would like to know more about him really,I presume,now,he has passed away? His He interred in ST.Oswald's Flamborough? I would like to visit his Grave.Regards.
Great video, audio needs remastering though. I can do it for you if you like.
Utterly alpalling, and at the same time, inevitable.
"Executives" feathering their nests at all cost to anyone but them.
My late step-dad was a memebr of RNLI, and was the bravest man I knew.
He'd be spinning in his grave.
Management, eh?
Useless.
Sorry for my typos there.
That's all I'll apologise for.
I’ve stopped donating after the Whitby Lifeboat fiasco and the RNLI’s recruitment policy. Illegal immigrants being taxied by them too.
It's sad the RNLI have taken the off shore lifeboat, if they want to place a Atlantic 21they could but leave the off shore this way they could have the best of both worlds a fast life boat for when conditions permit and a off shore lifeboat for distant help and for when the sea conditions are too bad for the Atlantic 21.
All about money not people's lives
Officials extol the suitability of the ribs with its speed , THE RIBS ARE USELESS IN GALE FORCE WINDS AND SEAS , unless the crew are all suicidal .
May God save England and restore her.
Hi John, she's a museum piece now with a section of the hull removed as a cut away.
Been Of Flambourgh head in bad weather must say they have some guts sailing out in that rubber dingey
nice
Thanks for your comment Luke
I would love to know where this iconic boat is now
Hi Wayne, thanks for you're comment. Please click the subscribe button to see more content about Flamborough. Here's a link to where you can check out the old girl. John www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/2181/will-and-fanny-kirby
This is the second video I’ve seen with Robert Emmerson in,what a guy,it’s such a shame the boat couldn’t have stayed at Flamborough,even if just to be viewed by the visitors,it obviously meant so much to the local community.
@@wayneash1979 Robert will live on in many a Flamborians memory.
She is preserved at the lifeboat museum at Chatham in Kent 😊
The RNLI is now a GOVERNMENT CHANNEL TAXI SERVICE ....Sold out for a handful of silver .
Em no their mandate is to save anyone at sea no matter who they are
These men would have been on the life boat, been down the ramp and out to sea long before the very expensive high tech Bridlington boat of today. I find it absolutely ludicrous to watch, it cannot be any quicker to launch than it is to put away. Having watched them one evening I shudder to think of my life or anyone else's being at stake, but they did seem very proud of their pieces of kit!!!!!!!!!
Bridlington has a totally different beach profile to Flamborough, they can’t just launch down a ramp into the sea. Plus that very expensive high tech boat is faster, better equipped and safer for crew and casualties than the Oakley in this video. Even if the Oakley was quicker to launch, it’s not the speed of the launch that matters, it’s the speed at which the lifeboat can reach the casualty, which the modern boats win hands down.
@@Mike-dn7oz I would totally agree with you about the speed of these modern boats but that is just the problem, what is the point of having a wonderfully powerful fast boat if it takes for ever to launch. I know what you mean about the beach at Brid but I do think that not enough thought went into the speed of launching.
There's less protection for the rescue crew on an inflatable - no cabin for starters.
So as this film clip says, it can't be launched in all weathers - that's a huge drawback if you exist to save lives.
No point in an empty RNLI boat at sea ( if your crew get knocked off by waves) , however fast it goes.
@@zerotoleranceforsataniceli4794 it's not a question of a cabin, if they had a ramp from where the boat house is straight down on to the beach they could launch the life boat far quicker as it is they have to move it half way down the promenade before they can get on to the beach.
@@malakai651
Absolutely agree about the launching.
If the new boat takes 8 or 10 mins to launch and depends on other equipment to get inflated & to the beach, whilst the old boat takes 2 minutes to launch, but is slower, then the new boat must make up at least 6 minutes to even catch up with the old boat.
I think what was done was absolutely appalling and if the general public were aware of this and of the salaries ofvthe CEO, I think the support for RNLI would be seriously dented.
I was in fact referring to the qualities of the new boat in that it appears to have no protection ie no sides & no cabin or any protection, hence the inability to go out in all storms, hence setting out now an agenda that actually saves less lives. This goes completely against the ethos that has been in place for centuries, I'm sure.
The saving of the 29 aboard the Bonita in Dec 1981 could not be done now with the new inflatable boats.
I think that is to the discredit, in fact, to the shame of the RNLI
Local seafariers know local conditions
They are THE best not hq
Just did like the change. Got to modernise and keep up with the times or lives would be lost. Find them very petty to strike and selfless.
No one likes change, fear of the unknown and traditional ways of doing things from Father to Son or daughter is a strong emotion, throw the possibility of loss of life into the mix it's an impossible thing to decide on for the best. At the time each faction had its own moral "lifeboat" to cling to.
Omg, what horrible production. Melodramatic music, fake superimposed imagery. Clicked away at 0:30.
Well it was 1992 - and it won awards at the time so thanks for your insightful comments.
Superimposed yes - fake no. If you did not watch the whole piece then your comments are invalid. You have robbed yourself of an important piece of history
and a moving insight into the people of Flamborough. It's your life so stay ignorant if you must.
@@maurices5259
Oh what a pompous arse you are.
1. If you had ever written an article or a book or produced a video or a piece of music (as I have) you might know that the opening 30 seconds must captivate the reader/viewer/listener with its tone and authenticity. This, for me, did not. My right, my choice.
2. I did not "rob myself" of anything. I simply chose not to view something which was only of curiosity value and of no practical value in my life to know.
3. Watching only 30 seconds, disliking it, departing, and criticising the first 30 seconds IS a perfectly valid reality and obviously not a criticism of what I did not see. But, as in #1, I found the opening so vomituous and could therefore conclude its style would remain the same throughout.
4. I am not British. Why does it make me "ignorant" to not know everything about the history of everywhere.
5. You may like it. I did not. I said so. Get over it.
@@thedolphin5428 with your experience in this field it would be great if you could do you research on this beautiful place & make a lovely video for us all.
@@wayneash1979
Oh, ho ho. Such a funny boy you are. Why is it that people today are soooo precious they just cannot accept to see/hear valid criticism anymore. No doubt you have opinions and things to say about your least favourite politicians, Wayne? So, is a sensible retort to that to ask "why don't you go and make a few laws, run a few government departments yourself". Do you not criticise things you can't do better? Ever shouted instructions at a footballer or a referee, Wayne? Not everything about everything is great, perfect, well done, stands the test of time, appeals to all people. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM with reality? Get over other people not thinking just like you.