@@luchirimoya It's not the devs that are greedy, please blame EA and all its execs/shareholders. Developers work hard and do their best for what they are getting paid or how they are managed. EA is the one that calls the shots and decide how much content per pack is distributed, mere developers don't have any say in the company's economy.
A big differencr between Sims 2-3 and Sims 4. None of them had base games. Sims 1, 2, and 3 were all built to be GAMES. Full experiences for anyone regardless of their ability to purchase expansions. Expansions weren’t even an intention of Sims 1 as Will Wright was struggling just to see the idea of the game itself to a publisher. Even with expansions being a thing by Sims 2 & 3 both games without expansions are full game experiences. Without DLC. Expansion packs for them were truly game expanders on an already great game.
100% this. Expansions didn't felt exploitative because they weren't needed to flesh out the base game. Even stuff packs were just stuff and not bundled with new gameplay to force you to buy them or miss out.
@@jaybee4288are those plenty of people in the room with us? Speak now or forever hold your peace. Maybe you personally enjoy it, but EA has always cut as many corners as possible with the sims 4 so that they could take advantage of the franchise’s popularity to drive sales. You can defend them all you want but at the end of the day, the execs are laughing at you as they drag their money bags to the bank
Occasionally I check on my sims 4 game. Even if there is a expansion pack I’m slightly interested in, like the vampire add-on, I physically cannot get myself to buy it💀 I have too much respect for myself
An important thing to note: maxis was dissolved in 2013. Sims 4 is TECHNICALLY a maxis game, but is for all intents and purposes the first fully EA sims games. Sims 1 and 2 were both simply published by EA, while sims 3 was mostly maxis with EA sticking its toes in outside of publishing (the store, maxis having to fight to have their name on launch etc). Why does this matter? It’s not the first time a large, money hungry corp eats up and buys a smaller developer. Devs who care are replaced for “cheaper” alternatives IE overworked and underpaid new hires who don’t know about lore or frankly care. Can you blame them? With prices nowadays the developers need to eat too. The problem runs much deeper than just gameplay- there’s a societal problem. I hope the next couple of years we see more indie devs sticking it to these mega corps. A truly good game can NOT be made without passion
I absolutely understand people working on teh franchise, probably guys and gals with good few years of experience but on the entry level jobs which would be paid less if there weren't any laws to prevent that :D EA is a corpo shithole I absolutely don't have to have a first hand expoerience to conclude that.
Something that Sims 3 nostalgia babies need to remember (me included) is that this greed 100% started with the Sims 3. There's a literal premium currency to get overpriced microtransactions. So yes, the Sims 3 is a good and complete game. Is it much better in the topic of "greed"? Not at all.
Completely true - that is definitely where the greed really started. But I feel like the expansion packs were at least still worth the money, like Pets for example having so much and now it’s split into 3 different packs still with less content in TS4. TS4 is on another level of greed compared to TS3
@@Omniburg it's greed in different types at the end of the day. The Sims 3 has better expansion/main DLCs but the store is very predatory. Even opening up build & buy will give you an ad for the micro transactions. While The Sims 4 was indeed a complete incomplete mess of a game at launch, it promised a better game in the future and I gotta say base game has features that most other Sims games don't have, but it is unacceptable that we had to wait that long for such improvement and have DLC packs split unnecessarily other than they wanna charge more.
It's more of a "pick your poison" in my opinion. Both have distasteful monetization for games that you have to pay to even play to begin with (minus the TS4 becoming free to play a bit ago now)
To me the big difference between the sims 3 store and sims 4 dlc is that with the former, those were extra items to spice up your game with, but weren't actually needed for the game to be enjoyable. With the sims 4 though, you literally have to purchase atleast some dlcs to actually have something to do in the game.
Yesterday I heard Life By You was cancelled, what you expose here is one of the main reasons why I find that very worrysome. EA NEEDS competition on The Sims, to show it, that Sims games can be done better and for people to have other options. I have seen a lot of movement to move away from The Sims, which means they still have a fan base but only because the Sims is the only big life simulation game in the market.
This, absolutely. I would also love to see some crossovers in genre. Imagine a child-friendly Sims meets Animal Crossing game. Or Stardew Valley, but you are in control of the whole family. For a darker game, mix GTA and Sims, there are already criminal career options, so why not expand on that? Can we mod these things? Probably. But whole new games where creators take these mashups and add their own flare would make them better than the sum of their parts. We don’t need another casual farming simulator. We need “Sims, but with a twist and not by EA”!
I can’t WAIT until the sims has real competition. I truely hope paralives, life by you, or what have you really makes EA’s pockets hurt. Because my spite has made me never want to touch the sims again after they sucked the love and passion out of my favorite game.
Me too. The worst part is it can’t be that hard, relatively speaking, to make something comparable in quality. It just requires the right investment and creative vision. The Sims just has a strangehold on the genre thanks to its iconic image.
I agree. I got bored with The Sims 4 so quickly. The only thing I liked about it was Create A Sim. I found myself doing nothing but creating Sims because I got bored with gameplay really quickly.
ive been giving a couple dollars a month to the paralives team for years now and i genuinely think its going to be the best sims competitor. the team clearly has so much passion and creativity and talent. i can't wait to have a game that's like the sims 4 but with indie developers avoiding most of the pitfalls of a terrible company like EA
Some people’s standards are super low. I feel like The Sims franchise tends to have a very casual playerbase and many of them probably don’t play anything else so they don’t realize how bad it is and how much they’re being screwed. Worse if they’ve never picked up any of the previous 3 games and have something to compare it to.
i love ts3 but every time i play it there's things i miss from 4 like being able to travel casually between neighborhoods, easily place other people's lots and sims into my game, and the multitasking features. it all comes down to preference. is it really that hard to believe other people have different tastes in games
@@alexdh2001 nah, it's not about taste. I had times in which I adored the sims 4 and I agree all these features feel lacking now in previous games. However, the game is unplayable. I have a gamer notebook that can run even heavier games and nothing lags like sims 4. It takes hours in game for a sim to do a simple task. We gotta stop praising EA everytime they leave us crumbs. It's consumer rights 101: if a product doesn't work as intended, you deserve your money back. They also have extorted players for a decade now. But this my exact issue with the sims 4 community: everytime we point out EA's shortcomings, someone will defend the game based on "personal taste", but no one's talking about personal taste here.
@@BabyBat14 that's wild to me because my gaming laptop runs the sims 4 a million times better than sims 3. the sims 4 only lags for my gaming laptop if i'm on a lot with excessive objects or if i play on speed 3 too much, meanwhile i can't even run the sims 3 with more than 3 dlcs without constant freezes. also lumping all sims 4 defenders in one group is ridiculous, there are so many people playing it regularly who all have diverse opinions. all i'm saying is EA sucks but the sims 4 isn't objectively worse
@@alexdh2001 well at the end of the day it basically just has some nicer quality of life and accessibility features. Those are just a result of time, not some ground breaking design choice. It’s more the fundamental issues with the game here we’re talking about. You really prefer paying 80+ dollars for 3 packs just to get something worse than TS3 Pets?
I have 2.5k hours logged into the sims 3, and I have no intention of switching to 4, EVER. I’ve tried it out (pirated) with all of the expansions, and it felt like a cardboard cut out. Especially the sims itself, the don’t feel as alive and unique. With all the traits and the ability to dye anything any way I want, I have the opportunity to create something perfectly unique for each sim. My current sim is a witch, who does all the traditional witch stuff in the sims 3, but she is also a scene kid, obsessed with zebra print and neons, and only in the sims 3 could I achieve a sim as unique as that!
Most people who play sims 4 often don’t play to actually create stories but to create lots and build. Because Sims 4 by far has thee best build/buy system. The only thing on their side. Sims 3 also is completely unplayable without mods in a sense the worlds are completely lifeless and inactive. Each have their gripes but I will say I do prefer 3 over 4 solely for the open world lol. Seeing unicorns and turtles etc in the open world was such a treat lol.
@@SBBunny93 I have seen this complaint several times, currently playing the game with no mods and its very busy idk what you guys mean when you say the worlds are empty. I go to the park..busy, gym? also busy. Stand outside the bookshop and its practically a parade... What specifically are you referring to?
See that over here .. is the reason why I despised Sims 3. I played to have stories accross several families. In both Sims 1 and 2. 3 just threw ALL THE FUN I had out of the window to give me nonsensical 'open world'. Sims was always a doll house game. Then 3 came and decided they want to be wanna be GTA .. well in GTA I can ride cars, I can steal, I can kill, I can shoot and do more then 3's could ever imagined. I wanted Sims to be the Sims. All your praise here, nails exactly the core issue why people who usually loved Sims 1 and 2 detested 3. You talk about singular Sim. That game was freaking atrocious if you wanted to control whole family. And the bugfest .. ugh Sims 3 performance and quality control - for bugs - was abyssmal. Thank gods 4's are way more bridging to me. They still have bugs, just not as many as 3 and they have botherations like these 'fine' systems that I assume carried over from Sims 3. I wish they let me turn it off. And to copy I believe 3's manual adjusting how long specific life period of sims will last.
@@idgafcba I think they complain on 4 because they have rose tinted glasses of nostalgia for 3's. I remember parks in 3 but they weren't AS busy as say any public lot of Sims 2, by comparison to 2's .. most of the day park in 3's was empty. And I was A LOT in park as one of my teens was artist and she was playing in park for people on her guitar.
the fact that I actually uninstalled it from my computer for the first time ever... says a lot. I have played all iterations since 2001, consistently. Now, the thought of the Sims at all makes me mad
Adding to your engagement, and also fact checking that having kids was a Sims 1 base game feature, and did not actually come with Livin' Large (having kids by "woohoo" in the heart bed that came with Livin Large did, however. Without the pack, you could still have kids by performing enough romantic interactions).The only major DLC features from Sims 1 that were added into the Sims 2 Base Game include community lots and shopping, which came with the Sims 1 Hot Date and/or Unleashed, as well as throwing a house party, that came with Sims 1 House Party. Other notable Sims 1 DLC features that shipped with the Sims 2 Base Game are arguably Woohoo and certain romantic interactions from Hot Date, although in the Sims 1, it wasn't known as Woohoo. Certain gameplay or decorative items and careers from The Sims 1 like Telescopes and the slacker career from Livin' Large (and alien abductions), or the Buffet Table from House Party, among several others, also shipped with the Sims 2 Base Game. Totally new, and much more significant gameplay concepts that came with the Sims 2 Base Game and many of which have lasted to this day include aging and 5 life stages, death by old age, days of the week, private school, proper wedding parties, birthday parties, anniversaries, pregnancy, neighbourhood creation/decoration, the ability to place lots, family trees and genetics, the ability to create unique faces in CAS with seperate hairstyles and outfits, outfit categories like sleepwear, active wear, formal and swimwear, cooking different dishes for breakfast lunch, dinner and dessert, building foundations, multi-storey homes including basements, different roofing types with placeable roofing, randomly, playable aliens, and of course lifetime aspirations, milestones and memories as well as wants and fears, along with a host of other purely aesthetic features including things like being a fully 3D game. That's just the base game. The leap from Sims 1 to 2 is truly remarkable, and many features available in the Sims 2 Base Game are not available in the Sim 4, like custom neighbourhoods, or were patched in after launch like toddlers, or put into later DLC, like baby changing tables, of all things.
Thanks so much for the fact check and information! I read somewhere that they'd been added in Livin' Large, but it must have been faulty info. Really appreciate your input there, and thanks for the interactivity, too :)
I started playing Sims 2 Ultimate Collection and never looked back. I wish Sims 2 lasted longer we could get even more expansion packs to our collection.
I installed it as well yesterday, and I've had the most fun playing the Sims than I have in a long time! The attention to detail, the AI, the love put into the game... Sims 4 could never.
Grew up with Sims 2 and 3? I grew up with Sims 1 and how hard that game was. I would say The Sims peaked at 2, back then the game was still made with love, allot of details and it run rather well. Sims 3 wasn't bad but it was in some ways a downgrade from 2. The worst part about Sims 4 is that some of the quality of life improvements are really good, it makes the older games feel a bit slow and clunky and Sims 2 is a nightmare to get running on newer computers. What I wouldn't do for a remaster of Sims 2 and 3.
Sims (4) players are also part of the problems. They know EA has been ruining the game but they keep buying everything EA throws at them, simmers would be outraged everytime they get a broken dlc, then EA would be like "look guys there's new dlc coming" and then simmers would be so hyped and suddenly forget that they're mad at EA, then they would get mad again when the said new dlc is broken, then EA announces another dlc and so on and so on. And that's why EA keeps releasing broken overpriced games, they know this community has no backbones whatsoever 🤷♀️
I think it also has to do with the player base in general. EA is clearly marketing the Sims 4 to children, whereas the past Sims titles were marketed towards teens and young adults. Children wouldn't really care about the content or price of the game as long as the parents are buying it for them.
I’ve been playing the sims as a kid since the ending of the sims 2 franchise, sims 3 being my favourite. As an adult now playing the sims 4 with all the dlc content I’m bored out of my mind. It feels soo empty and hollow for a game that supposed to be a life simulation. Every expansion pack in the sims 3 had soo much content that was worth every penny. Till this day I get super excited to play it. EA should be ashamed their robbing their fan base
I totally agree with you... Sims 4 was ruined by corporate greed. Blasting out expensive DLC's that offer NOTHING to game play other than more decor, was a garbage move by EA.
I blame most of The Sims Community, every time a new pack comes out they get all excited and buy it, and they be thanking them on top of all that, they never seem to learn & it only gives EA more reason to sell half baked dlc.
it’s so refreshing to hear people not bash the sims 3 as if it’s not the best game to come out of the life sim genre. sims 4 is garbage! idc who enjoys it! it’s not a complete game at the end of the day
I wouldn't by any means say TS3 is the best, but it deserves praise for being the most ambitious. It was always stuffed with content and new innovations, and most of the bugginess was because they were litetally trying to give players too much.
@@vanyadolly the reason i say its the best is primarily because its the closest game we have to "play life" realistically. the level of customization and open world on top the gameplay + the mod & cc community is top tier
Finally! Someone mentions piracy! I was watching a similar video about this topic, but since no one was mentioning piracy, I got too scared of saying anything in fear of getting harassed 😅
@@DeltaRaptoran I've noticed that The Sims community is one of the game communities that won't be as quick to shame you for piracy like other game fanbases. I think that just makes it clear that EA is the problem
It's a somewhat common piece of lore now, but The Sims 4 was originally going to be an always-online spinoff game (Project Olympus) that was halfheartedly gutted and turned into a "mainline entry" late into development after SimCity 2013's disastrous launch. Really shows how much care EA has for their flagship franchise.
Thanks for covering about Sims series. You are not alone thinking that Sims 4 has regressed a lot compared to the previous versions. It has gotten worse with the massive amount of Sims 2. To me Sims 2 has the best run throughout the series, the improvements from Sims 1 to 2 is massive and incomparable. However, I would disagree that Sims 3 era was the peak. I had a lot of improvements with the open world and color wheel, but the cracks of the Sims being profit focused is shown within Sims 3 era, with the in-game ads for Sims 3 shop, the KPST stuff pack among a few examples.
When I was young the Sims was about the dream of owning and building a house. Now I'm an adult the Sims is about the fantasy of owning and building a house.
bro i cant stand lil simsie, i mean i dont think shes bad or anything. shes sweet and nice but she integrated herself so hard into sims brand that she became some sort of advertisment for them that everyone knows. and i bet she cant really say everything she has in mind cause she has such a influence over this game and opinions of other people. it makes her give off some sort of clean pg corporate vibe. i cant watch her anymore. not to mention that her content is kinda repetetive... i cant watch another each room is different smth cause im gonna puke
lilsimsie is a pretty extreme example. I think her positivity is influenced a lot by her personality, not just by her being paid. James Turner and Plumbella are also in the EA creator network and don't sugarcoat the way Simsie is. EA don't do the paid trips any more. They stopped during lockdown. The creators just get remote access to preview the new packs now.
I don't watch lilsimsie but as someone who has watched James Turner for several years, he's always real about things missing and the prices, just looking at a few videos about my first pet stuff u can tell he really hates it
Life by You was cancelled so let's hope that Paralives comes through. Also please for the love of god pirate the DLC, you can do it easily now that the base game is free. I'm baffled people are paying money for the DLC when pirating it has never been easier.
I don't understand how a company can keep selling broken products to their customers?? First of all, the trailers for the packs are false advertising. Second of all, their packs are broken... EVERY. SINGLE. TIME! That's why I don't buy anything for TS4 anymore. And no, I don't pirate either - that's literally theft. If EA doesn't give a damn about fixing their game, then I don't give a damn to play it. I ain't gonna be a fool over and over again buying overpriced garbage for a game that never gets fixed. It's ridiculous! And they can fix it, they just decide that making content is more important than having a game that works. If a single modder can fix bugs, glitches, issues and recode the game to where features actually work (for free btw), then a whole group of people can go above and beyond one person (that are getting paid).. It's crazy how lazy and greedy EA is as a company! And you've still got idiots who will keep buying the packs for the sake of CAS items or B&B items.. even though the features don't work and the pack breaks even more coding.. Pfff. I don't get it lol
The Sims is an example of what happens when one entity holds a monopoly, it starts pumping out mediocre stuff at outrageous prices because people don't have any other alternative. Although I am saddened by the cancellation of Life By You, hopefully Paralives and Inzoi will give EA a wake up call.
I have to correct you on the price of Sims 3 packs. Where I live, expansion packs for Sims 3 cost € 39.99 on Origin (and Steam too). At least according to my receipt for Sims 3 Seasons and Island Paradise, the only two EPs I bought on Origin (and only things I actually preordered and didn't regret it 😁), instead of retail box. And since EA always used 1:1 USD:EUR currency rate, they had to cost 40 USD too. Stuff packs did cost € 19.99, with the exception of infamous Katy Perry Sweet Treats, which cost the same as EP. So, in Sims 4, they actually lowered the price for SPs from Sims 3 times, while keeping Sims 3 price of EPs and brought new Game Packs for the price of Sims 3 SPs. Other than this slip up, I agree with your points. You said it well.
That's weird, I remember sims 3 expansions costing ~35 € and I also vividly remember being put off by sims 4 expansions costing more than their sims 3 counterparts.
@@LeaB-uz8md It also depends where you bought them. Origin and Steam always had regular prices (meaning not in sales) for EPs € 39.99. However, other stores, like Amazon, or local stores in your country, may have the prices cheaper. And here in Czechia, things were even more interesting, because Euro is not our currency. We pay in Czech Crowns. However, neither Steam, nor Origin (now EA App) has their storefronts localised to CZK, so, we have to pay in Euros there. As I wrote, I bought all Sims 3 EPs but the two I mentioned previously, as hard copy in CZK and the prices of those were usually a lot cheaper than the EUR:CZK recount. Honestly, if I didn't want Origin exclusive objects for Seasons and Island Paradise, I would never bother getting those packs on Origin and just bought them cheaper as hard copy.
It's strange that in Poland expansion packs for The Sims 3 cost PLN 90 ($22.24, although the difference was probably different in 2009) now expansion pack for the sims 4 costs PLN 190 ($46.94)
Every pack has at least minium one broken feature! Do they mind to fix it? No, why the heck should they? They stretch the content across new packs - I can't wait for all the competitors who will hopefully show EA how it should be including a happy healthy gaming community.
I've loved the franchise all my life (played all the console and pc games, has all the expansions and stuff packs) and I really hate seeing where it is today. While I love the open world and the look of everything in the sims 3, I feel like the franchise actually peaked with the sims 2. They put so much love and detail into everything in that game. Some examples being: how sims lounge on couches and watch tv, prepping and cooking food, actually getting into a car and driving off. It's so many small details and even the silly quirky things like how over the top a sim's first kiss is in the game that make it so entertaining and a long lasting play experience. Expansion packs were also huge and added an insane amount of content to the game. I love the sims 3, too, but saw immediately the significant decrease in content for every expansion and stuff pack. That and the introduction of the store micro transactions is where passion began to die and the greed started to take root. The sims 4 is a joke and the only thing it has going for it is it's ability to draw in new players to the franchise that have no idea how great the prior games were. I refused to pay anything for the sims 4 right from the jump. I hope the sims 5 is better, but I really doubt it as long as EA has its claws in it. Here's to hoping indie games like paralives come to life and dethrone them/inspire them to do better.
Pro tip, you can find the games and all their dlc (and store items) for free online and get them safely if ya look around online a little. Don't feed EA anymore money, if ya can avoid it. They don't deserve it.
It's not a scam though. A scam would mean the fandom isn't aware of this. It is aware of the less content/lower quality yet ridiculously higher prices, but still pays for it. This is simply stupidity on our part. I don't play anymore, no one should.
It amazes me how quickly people seem to have forgotten the epic cash grab that was the Sims 3. EVERYTHING was for sale and advertised in game in both Build/Buy and CAS. SDX drop a free new hair? Nah...that's going on the Sims 3 store for 100 simpoints. In fact if I remember correctly it would cost about $75,000 USD to buy all the Packs and DLC from Sims 3
The store was absurdly overpriced, but nothing on it was necessary for a fulfilling experience. The expansion and stuff packs were great value because they were stuffed with content. Even as someone who's critical of TS3, I have to praise them for the most content-packed expansions in the engire series.
$7500. Not $75,000. Still an absolutely absurd number nonetheless. Plus The Sims 3 Store is stupidly easy to pirate nowadays; I know of like 4 websites alone. As somebody already mentioned, none of the store was required for a fufilling experience. Also, The Sims 2 had a store as well. It's just more forgotten because the website has been closed for 13 years now, and the only items worth talking about from it were the baby items, but that was where the entire idea of "Simpoints" originated!
Sims 3 packs were actually $40 when they came out. They're only $20 now because the game is no longer being updated. But most of the expansion packs were worth that price, because of the amount of gameplay they offered and the depth of that gameplay, unlike Sims 4.
Remember people, it is always morally correct to pirate EA games. I love the Sims series but I stopped paying for Sims 4 years ago and just use a DLC unlocker because Sims 4 is a huge downgrade for Sims 3. I am hoping Paralives turns out to be a massive success because it looks like a good spiritual successor to Sims.
I wish fan has a critical look on what they love, like they have limit. Instead on jumping on everything just because it wears the name of the favorite franchise. But what make their favorite franchise?
from one video i saw going over the history of the sims discusses the development of the sims 4. they say that it originally was built for multiplayer but they decided to go a different route due to another game's downfall (or contraversy?) and didnt want to risk it. which, is fair, but WHY sacrifice quality just to get the game out on time? players will forget that it even released late as long as the game is as amazing as they remember it to be. it all reminds me of that roblox game, royale high. it looks pretty (if your graphic settings are on ultra and your pc can handle it without melting) but any sort of fun is being drained out of it.
It was Simcity 2013, it had always online on, and then completely crashed the servers on launch, rendering it unplayable. It was later found out that it ran fine offline, and they actually added that as a feature under pressure from fans.
It's not the greed what ruined the Sims series, but EA. Maxis were perfectly fine and ambitious, with a goal to create. And EA killed them, took the Sims and turned it into endless cashgrab
Solid video. I gave up on the Sims 4 in 2014 after having a pre-order and discovering how empty it was on launch day. I have weighed up ever getting into the game for years as I own it already and now my household has all the expansion and stuff packs thanks to my family deciding to buy them all. Based on the headaches I watch other Sims 4 players have all the time over the game breaking after new updates and the packs never working properly, I just can't be bothered. The Sims 2 is my favourite of all time and I'm playing the Sims 3 with all expansions nowadays because it feels more like an upgrade in the franchise than TS4 (obviously it is better). I actually do like some of the TS4 pack content, but it never seems worth the hassle of playing with broken content.
something that disappoints me about ea is their price hiking in general. did you know my sims was made more then 2 decades ago and was obtainable for free on release but is $25 now. and I knew the DLC prices had gone up but not enough sims fans talked about it so I thought was just being crazy.
This is basically why I only looked at vanilla Sims 4 and abandoned ship. I grew up with 1 and 2 and it was great. Sims 4 and EA is why I tell everyone to just yohoho this entire series these days (especially since you can't even legally buy some of it).
EA is most likely never going to sell TS2 ever again because its superior gameplay would take away people from spending money on the shell of a game that is TS4 (TS2 is my favourite but TS3 is also fun)
Sims 1 and 2 are abandonware, you can find them on basically any abandonware site, they are pretty easy to get working on modern PCs too, lots of guides. Don't pay for any new Sims game.
I built my first PC in 1999. The Sims ended up being the only game I bought for it. Played them all over the years. First time I loaded up the fourth, I genuinely thought I had bought a demo, not the 'full' game.
Sims 1 was good, it was the sims 2 that started the DLC gallore, yet the game was good, sims 3 was alright. 4th game felt empty. All the other games felt like there was a game to add on to. 4th game felt like it was a empty platform waiting to be filled with DLC.
The Sims 4 in theory is enjoyable, gets some things right, and innovated, but it’s severely out balanced by the demerits. The audience needs to know their worth, the products true worth, and exercise good standards; And EA/Maxis needs to atone for it’s outright blatant exploitation. If enough consumer base pays THAT much over-priced for a dilapidated game, not only is the life-sim market pricing and performance standards over-inflated in general, but if EA/Maxis or another distributor/developer actually produces a GOOD life simulator on GOOD SOLID foundation, the cost could be even more astronomical than weak Sims 4 if they also choose to exploit the market. LONG: The problem is at the core and foundation: The poor technical performance and stability (great they’re finally dedicated to fixing it!), value of the game, lacking base game features, packs too spread out and lacking features, and the greedy cash cow. Project Renee and other life sims must get the foundation right. The Sims 4 is grossly inadequate. The quality isn’t even qualifying. Besides that, gameplay is unsubstantiated. There’s little realism details and immersion, the sims are very shallow with goofy reaction walks all the time and passing out with repetitive and annoying voice lines and animations, over emotional, underpinned personalities and consequences. For gameplay features, systems, mechanics, details/animations that improve realism and quality of life should be updates to the base game AND previous packs, to actually bring the game UP TO DATE. Expansion packs should be NEW, EXPANDING, and UPGRADING features: story arcs, skills, hobbies, recipes, careers, aspirations, goals, wants & fears, interactions and animations, locations, gameplay and playable items, iconic assets, trendy and temporal things, brand new aspects to improve the game’s GRADE. Life basics should have the foundation laid in the base game such as relationships and romance having a compatibility and attraction system and interactions like cuddling in bed. These can be EXPANDED and more nuanced in an EP (but BASICS should be BASE game) Past features already in base game Sims should be in the new iterations base, why is Sims 4 vanilla base missing or underdeveloped shopping for clothes and groceries, biographies, family trees, your own notes journal, memories for a few examples. Past iconic items can be in a special edition if not in the base like: in pre-sale items (which could be deluxes later available), as a login reward, or in an expansion like the heart-shaped bed put into My Wedding Stories. The relationship and romance factor in Sims 4 is severely lacking even with expansions, they’re still under served and even broken. Not enough drama or story arc mechanics. Consequences and reactions based on personality, mood, relationships, and circumstances are underserved; an example, child sims (relationship, not age, i.e. offspring or even as adults) should react to their parents argue, fight, cheat, divorce and it be an ongoing occurrence/memory affecting other interactions (and this should be base game on a basic level at least to start). Simmers compare TS3 Generations EP to i think Growing Together+Parenthood+High School Years EP’s and even more (Toddler Stuff, considering)! The compatibility system and relationship status should be base game updates. City Living+Get together should’ve went together. How ridiculously spread! For a romance expansion: the supposed Love-Struck EP could have been with My Wedding Stories and Romantic Garden rolled into one. Make the attraction and romance system base game, and the new features like the skills, items, events, careers, worlds, UPGRADED or ADDITIONAL interactions drama consequences and reactions in an expansion. Cats&Dogs+My first pet stuff definitely should’ve been one or a deluxe bundle considering you needed features in the former to use the latter. City Living+ Dine Out with Bust the dust as an optional mechanic (or it’s mechanic as a base game update or featured in Parenthood OR High School Years or Discover University Or Cottage Living OR Eco Lifestyle OR you get it) There’s many more packs that should be united in one efficient expansion OR just bundled economically. Each level is too costly for SOOO much expansion content, i think kits should be worth the pennies and cents each item is worth or $3 USD and Expansion packs should be no more than $30 and LESS of them. One of the levels should be eliminated. Maybe Game packs and Stuff kits that have less content than EP’s but are more optional, discretion, and seasonal trend based. If not better expansion bundling than justify the flagrant pricing-model! (This is not researched, there might be inaccuracies like what was put into base game updates) THEY’re milking the consumer base and fans while it’s shallow playing, NOT EVEN STABLE or innovative without the community WORKING unofficially for free for the game to FUNCTION. This is injustice!!! Packs and products should be finished upon release (as quality control standard, so mistakes and shortcomings can happen with grace but the standard and solutions are in place). It should stand on its own without MODS. TS4 is disgustingly over priced for its true value. The game has been OUTDATED for years already: its engine, new features and cross pack integration stability, graphics especially the Sims design style (some food and furniture in 2, 3, 4 look better than the human sims), A.I., some cheats as options, [imo these things should be anniversary gift updates: lack luster features like the phone and social media, vehicles even just for looks and to click on to travel], ui modularity (arrange the simology panel icons in the order the player likes, easily turnoff headline effects, minimize the conversation box, turn off the shopping cart button), better queue, it’s just too buggy-many features and PACKS don’t even work properly like moods & fears, needs decay is wonky imo, many overused animations, very unrealistic animations, lacks consequences, repetitive story progression mechanics (the phone calls and 3am job agency i didn’t even opt into), H.S.Y, M.W.S, D.O., etc etc. Can they at least FIX My Wedding Stories and Dine Out during this romance season? GREED has tainted The Sims franchise. These expansions are WAY too spread out and outrageously over valued especially considering the games very buggy and shaky performance. This game is severely under-performing and developed as it was literally designed to be a mobile game initially and took away soo many details and features from Sims 2 & 3 when it should be UPGRADING and EXPANDING them- 4 innovates CAS and upgrades Building but dropped Create-a-Style which is revolutionary and no Color Wheel 🫥 then has the nerve to not standardize swatches to match. The essence has gone to trassh, it does not warrant a complete edition costing well into the $1,000’s USD it’s egregious!
This is such a high quality video and deserves way more views! I agree with all of your points. I grew up on The Sims. Have been an avid player for almost 20 years now. But after all the stuff they pulled I cannot in good conscience support them anymore. I play Sims 2 regularly and still go back to Sims 3 from time to time. Heck even Sims 1 I feel myself craving in moments when I'm in need of chaos. I had an interview with Jonathan Knight not too long ago, super interesting Insights and it was so clear how passionate the team was. All things considered, I feel like the downfall started at Sims 3... And this comes from someone who LOVES Sims 3. Because it's the first game where they began to cut orders and do advertising in-game. The only reason why it isn't as noticeable is the fact Sims 3 added plenty in return, the same cannot be said for Sims 4 which cut corners without adding anything in return. I play Sims 4 occasionally and I won't lie by saying the game has some good sides... But all of the downpoints, bugs and severe lag quickly add up, breaking the fun and immersion. They won't fix their game and considering they're pushing mobile stuff more and more in their game, I'm almost confident Sims 5 is gonna be worse to the point we're gonna look back at Sims 4 and go: We had it good. I mean, what was one cohesent pack in Sins 3 and even 2, is divided into 5 separate packs in Sims 4. It's hard to imagine... On top of that all the quirkiness, uniqueness and dark comedy is gone. Instead we got a watered down version of the previous games that wants to be as child-friendly as possible, not taking their audience seriously. I'm glad we're getting a ton of Indie companies making live Sims, but those will never be the Sims. Therefore it's rather likely that Sims 4 is the last real Sims game we're ever gonna get... And the spinoff games and in-depth lore? We won't ever have anything like that anymore. Man that was a long comment haha! But just like you I'm passionate about the Sims. I think generally games nowadays are no longer released in a finished state, especially from triple AAA studios, but that results in companies slowly losing their support. It takes ages to build a loyal fanbase, but you can lose that in the snap of a finger.
I love The Sims 2 because it's a game which you practically can redesign it from the scratch with all mods and CC. It can be visually whatever you like in style you prefer. I have almost four hundred mods and forty five thousand CC and everything works perfectly. I had zero objections with supporting TS2 with my money and I bought the whole series. And when it comes to The Sims 4... well, I'm not gonna spend one dollar on this game. Ever. And when The Sims 5 comes out... it will be a success if it even start without crashing or destroying your computer.
IMO Sims 3 was the best. The problem is, the main game (every version) itself is really cheap, and then EA releases $1000 worth of addons, which is completely sleazy.
I think you've got some rose-colored glasses on when talking about ts3 because EA's greed was already worming its way in The store is the most egregious example. If you want all of the content there is, it's over $70k! Plus, they would advertise it right in the game! They also had some very cash-grabby packs like the Katy Perry one It was also horrifically optimized, and if a mod can improve it then the devs definitely could, EA just didn't care enough to fix it. Island paradise DLC is also notorious for being broken I don't disagree with the overall thesis, but it's been going on since before ts4
It was bad at the start, but I'll tell you when it really kicked off. When they made their '1-1' transfer to consoles. In order for it to actually FIT on consoles, the packs started getting smaller. And smaller. And SMALLER AND SMALLER. If that had not happened, Sims 4 would be far from perfect true, but at least it wouldn't be shrinking with every expansion that comes out. But they certainly didn't get cheaper... And in fact we got more packs, with less in them, at a higher price.
I commented on a sims sub on reddit how greedy they were for separated packs that should go together and how they do it this way to milk us, cause they know the majority of the fanbase will pay....and got downvoted to oblivion. Or how content creators do somehting original only for the sims devs to rip it off and make their own versions of that months later, but charging a ridiculous price (We had a mod with cows, and a year later or so the devs lanched cottage life). This is so frustrating.
Man, I wish I had seen a video like this before I started playing. I came in via The Sims 4 and didn't know what I was missing out on from the previous installments. 💀💀
Why can’t EA bring back the old sims games like the Sims 1 and 2 on digital stores and make it run better on modern systems rather than just relying on pirates get these games for free which may contain malware or worse get sued by EA for piracy.
Personally, I think EA should take sims 3 and revived it for modern fast computers, like the kind most play now and then update the graphics a bit, fix the memory leaks and such that would sometimes crash the game. I bet many would buy it. Sims 3 was my most favorite game of all time, but now that I play on Nvidia 3080 and 4090, I can NO LONGER run the game at all. Only older computer systems can and EA won't even bother to fix this.
This is the reason i never got Sims 4. Especially after investing time and money buying all the expansions for Sims 3. Sims 4 was a huge step back form day one and seeing the state EA releases expansions that dont even work is saddening. For sims 3 was it peak and sims 4 just seems like this giant cash grab. Pushing any kind of content, working or not, to make more money. I just keep going back to sims 3 and hope once paralives come out that it will cause EA to actually try. Sometimes these smaller studios just show things can be done better. As was seen with Cityskylines versus EA Simcity at the time.
Well, my hopes are dashed, Life By You is now cancelled (damn it) - I was really excited that The Sims was gonna have a competitor, but no. I know we have ParaLives coming and that other one from S. Korea - but LBY looked awesome - plus it was from Humble, who created The Sims 2 (I think). I kinda of wonder if EA paid Paradox off to cancel LBY because it was gonna be a big competitorr? Who knows? Big businesses do that you know....
2:19 having kids was introduced in Livin' Large???? I swear I remember having kids in the first Sims game and I had 0 expansion packs. I held off on Sims 4 for YEARS because I knew it wasn't shit. Played it for the first time in 2020 because I lost access to Sims 3 and found Sims 4 on sale for $6 and decided to give it a try. I never played any Sims games with mods until Sims 4. Recently I saw a 'leak' for the next Sims 4 expansion pack and laughed because every single feature I already have with mods. I really feel for console players. With new life simulation games coming soon, I definately feel like the Sims is toward the end of their rope. EA/Maxis isn't listening to players and these other games developers seem to be more transparent and willing to hear feedback and ideas.
I was unfortunately only introduced to The Sims Franchise with TS3 on Wii. I didn't even play it that much, but my first proper experience of The Sims Series was TS4. I regret so many years later, purchasing practically most of the DLC for this crap "game". I never had toxic positivity for TS4, so I of coursed watched Sims content, and was "impressed" by TS4 I thought to try TS3 since it was also still for sale. God, when I tried TS3 on PC! I was in love! I bought every single DLC for TS3 and I don't regret one single penny spent on it! I was slowly falling in love and even saw people playing TS2 but, this unfortunately was a couple years after EA stopped giving out TS2 for free through Origin. So, I had to go through Ebay and purchase these super cheap owned versions of TS2 and all of its DLC, and I absolutely love TS2 as well! I was like "Wow! These are actual games!" No matter if they are dated in terms of looks, there are mods and custom content for that and they look just fine. The only thing TS4 is good for me now is CAS (cause I suck at building 😅). How I came to the conclusion of quitting TS4, not buying another single DLC for it and uninstalling it off of my computer was honestly through the UA-cam community and my own playing experience. Those creators who were honest about how much of a sh*t show TS4 is that it can hardly even be called a "game". All it is, is a dollhouse creator, it doesn't simulate life. The amount of mods you have to get for TS4, only for it to still not be enjoyable besides looking pretty, should be telling. I mean sure, there are people who probably genuinely enjoy TS4 (more power to them) but I think most people are aware that this game is a scam. $1000+ for a single video game? Seriously!? Could you imagine how many other games you could get for that price and actually have fun! I think the last DLC I bought for TS4 before I was made aware of how bad EA and it's practices are is Cottage Living. I did cave in to get Growing Together, thinking it was going to give family gameplay like Generations from TS3 (oh boy, my mistake and I have learned my lesson). I haven't booted up TS4 in I think over a year now. I can honestly say, I feel free, my wallet is heavier and I am happy. Yes, EA is scummy, I mean they got voted worst company in America, BACK TO BACK! But, we need to be honest about the player base as well. I think I am one of the smarter ones, even though I started with the TS4, I am not blind to the fact that it is a crap "game" compared to it's predecessors. The player base keeps shelling out money for every. single. broken. watered. down. DLC that EA dishes out for TS4. I mean, the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Best believe, other fanbases of other games from different companies are looking at hardcore TS4 fans like they are donkey's. I honestly, don't blame them cause it's like willingly accepting abuse at this point and at first it's sad but, a lot of them love it there. Unfortunately, that affects the rest of us, the more logical side of The Sims series fanbase. I don't see The Sims getting better, ever! Not under EA at least. TS5 is probably going to be the nail in the coffin for the franchise as you said in the video. It's unfortunate that The Sims will become Sim City before long. EA to blame but also the fanbase is largely to blame as well for the eventual death of the franchise 🤷🏾♀
Zero exaggeration whatsoever. I also bought all the addons and world packs for the sims 3 and felt like I got more than my moneys worth. I bought the base game for the sims 4 and was immediately disappointed, that disappointment grew even more when I saw how little "content" the packs added, and good god, those prices. Needless to say, I still only play the sims 3 and below. Never bought a single addon for the sims 4
Thats why were mad, i could buy a few dozen games with how much the sims are charging for theirs. Plus the game is subpar compared to its previous titles.
Pretty bang on. Was to the point. Since the sims 4 came out and dlc slowly didn’t hide its shit. Made me wonder why people continue to allow them to keep half assin it
Grew up on Sims 1 and it was weird watching you talk about the game while showing Sims 2, lol. But I agree with everything you said and still enjoy Sims 1 and 2 more than I've ever enjoyed Sims 4.
The sims 2 was incredibly charming, and was made with immense love. Everything in it worked really well together. The sims 3 was excellent, but was somehow slightly less charming. It's atill my favourite for playing stories, though. The only thing i like from the sims 4 is create a sim. I think it's easier to use, even if i dont like the cartoony style. I do like that there are options for people to make trans sims, too.
They need to do Sims 1 and 2 music, Sims 2 and 3 gameplay and Sims 4 graphics. That would create a pretty decent game. But this is why people play for a short time and then give up for months.
I bought the Sims 4 right when it came out for $70 Canadian and I played it for 1 week and I haven't played it since. I just ended up gifting the game to my sister. I went back to sims 3. There's just no comparing them.
I still can't get past that sims 3 supernatural pack included vampires, zombies, witches, and fairies but sims 4 sold each separately and with very small towns. (still no fairies though and they were my favorite supernatural)
you look at the sims 3 with very rose tinted glasses, quite frankly. it was horrible in terms of how it performed and still is, i can't even go into build mode without having it start to lag for 0 reason.
not to mention that yes, inflation, in regards to the CPI has risen by 100%. i dont think the sims 4 is the best game of the series, im not here to argue that. what i do have an issue with however is that oversight in general, very bad.
i feel like an important part of the story for the sims 4 is the existence of project olympus, while EA has project rene now (which is speculated as being the sims 5), project olympus was the sims 4, or it turned into the sims 4, in the games files someone (i believe it was twistedmexi? a big modder in the community) found code which is often used in online games, instances and server commands, it could’ve potentially have been for the gallery, but considering the leaked images of earlier versions of the game, it’s more likely that the game was originally supposed to be a multiplayer online game, in 2013 about a year and a half before the release of the sims 4, the sims city disaster happened which seemingly killed the franchise, it was a always online version of sims city, and on day 1 the game couldn’t be played because the servers couldn’t handle it, the game ultimately flopped and while it’s never been confirmed, it seems likely that this was what caused the massive pivot with the sims 4’s development, and why so many features were missing, the game already wasn’t going to have those features and EA was relying the on the fact it was going to be online to make up for the potential losses, but then the sims city disaster happened and between the issues with getting the online servers to work correctly and the public outcry, they changed the game, and it was released completely unfinished. at the end of the day, it was just as much a business decision to release the sims 4 the way they did, to avoid killing the franchise entirely, EA is notorious for shutting down games companies they acquired after a game flops, im in a weird way just relieved that didn’t happen to maxis… but i can’t say that i’m optimistic about the future of the sims. They recently introduced daily log-in rewards, and while they’ve been pulling crap like this for a while, i have to say that im still incredibly disappointed, frankly i think the direction that EA has taken as a company is perfectly tied to these games, the downfall is so gradual but so depressing, comparing the sims games, you can see with each pack how much worse things have gotten, the sims 3 was released with a lot of features, but just like with the sims 4 the updates overtime started to paint this picture, with the store and the money grabby packs, it was the game that introduced stuff packs, i dont have a general thesis, this just sucks.
To be fair, when you adjust for inflation the sims 2/3 packs cost roughly the same as what it costs for Sims 4. The issue is that the sims 2/3 packs were always good and packed with stuff. The only pack I remember people bitching about with the sims 2 was Freetime even though that pack is so good and the Sims 3 pack people bitched about was into the future because most people don’t even play it even to this day but it added a lot of stuff and was fun. Sims 4 packs aren’t fun. It’s packs of shit that was supposed to already be in the game. They keep separating it. Sims 3 Supernatural had it ALL. Mermaids. Fairies. Vampires. Werewolves. Genies. Zombies. Witches. Sims 4 had to separate it with vampire pack. And werewolf pack. And mermaid pack. Wtf…Sims 2 introduced supernaturals in various packs but they had MANY other stuff. For example, Apartment Life added witches randomly but it came with apartments! It wasn’t just a “witch pack”. That’s what makes the price worth it unlike Sims 4.
Actually, Genies came with Showtime, Aliens with Seasons, and Mermaids with Isla Paradiso, but your point is a valid one. There was SO MUCH additional gameplay content in all the Sims 3 packs compared to what is offered in Sims 4 packs. You need about 3 or 4 packs to equal one pack of Sims 3 content - and Sims 3 content has a lot fewer bugs.
I'm not a Sims fan, I can see the appeal for a lot of people, just not my type of game. However, even I feel disgusted with what the community has to put up with. You are the people who have built this franchise for all these years and made it a household name, and your reward is to be treated like a number, all the while having something you love destroyed before your eyes. I hate when companies forget where they came from. Reminds me of Bungie and Destiny releasing their 30th anniversary pack (which includes gated content), and charging for it. Like wtf, Bungie should be giving it as a free pack, you know, a thank you to the fans who made them what they are. Companies seem to forget that the fans are the reason why they can still make their games. (SUPPORT INDIE DEVS WHO CARE).
let's face it, we are one of the reason why this greedy ass company keeps doing what they're doing. we keep on complaining yet not enough backlashes for them to feel the consequences of their greedy choices. that's why they keep on taking our complaints as a joke.
sims 3 packs have lots of content in one, sims 4 break them down and sell them all separately. case in point: sims 3 pets includes cats, dogs, horses which are playable, sims 4 separated them into cats and dogs pack and horses like ??
tbf at this point I treat sims 4 as a building simulator to unwind after work. and I don't even have to pay for new furniture since I could download community creations. when it comes to the actual game... I just don't find it interesting. I don't know what magic ingridient it's missing compated to other games, I just get bored quickly
Before that it was planned to be online. However, it never happened due to the fall of SimCity 13. As a sims3 (Also Sims2 and 1) player, i realy enjoy this series. But the Sims 4.... what is that?
My very first experience with the sims franchise was watching my mom play Sims 3 Pets as a kid. I saw her on her laptop and sometimes sat next to her to watch. A couple years later, I got my very first gameplay experience in The Sims 3 Medieval. While not everyone's first go at the franchise, and some may have never even heard of it or played it before, it was quite an experience. During the same timeframe, I also played The Sims 2 + Nightlife as my first real go at the game. I would play Sims 2 for HOURS on my old desktop and loved it. Eventually, I did end up playing Sims 3 Pets and loved it as well. I was 9 years old when The Sims 4 came out and I heard a lot about it. Since I loved Sims 2, Sims 3, and The Sims Medieval so much, I thought I would like TS4 too. I got the game at around 2017-2018, and while I enjoyed it at first, I eventually couldn't play it for long without wanting to get off of the game. I am a builder, so the most time I put into the game at one time was when I was building a mansion in Sulani. I haven't played The Sims 4 for about 1-2 years now and just strictly play the Sims 3. Once I got a good laptop and figured out how to make the game playable, I haven't gone back. I can build to my heart's content AND play the actual game for longer than 20 minutes no problem. It saddens me how EA is destroying this franchise that me, and many others have grown up with. Life By You has officially been cancelled (I wasn't too into it anyway) and then there's Paralives and Inzoi when it comes to current competitors. I am most looking forward to Paralives. I just hope that someone can make EA shake in their boots and make a change.
The Sims 4 is run by Landgraab family.
The devs have a fortune aspiration lmao
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@@luchirimoya It's not the devs that are greedy, please blame EA and all its execs/shareholders. Developers work hard and do their best for what they are getting paid or how they are managed. EA is the one that calls the shots and decide how much content per pack is distributed, mere developers don't have any say in the company's economy.
@@Miochh yeah no you're totally right, EA is to blame, I miss when Will Wright was part of the sims franchise 😔
THEY ARE OMG!
A big differencr between Sims 2-3 and Sims 4. None of them had base games. Sims 1, 2, and 3 were all built to be GAMES. Full experiences for anyone regardless of their ability to purchase expansions. Expansions weren’t even an intention of Sims 1 as Will Wright was struggling just to see the idea of the game itself to a publisher. Even with expansions being a thing by Sims 2 & 3 both games without expansions are full game experiences. Without DLC. Expansion packs for them were truly game expanders on an already great game.
I remember playing sims 3 only with the seasons EP for YEARS! I didn't feel the need to get other EPs because one was enough to have fun
Exactly the same with 4. You might not like it but plenty of people only have the base game.
100% this. Expansions didn't felt exploitative because they weren't needed to flesh out the base game. Even stuff packs were just stuff and not bundled with new gameplay to force you to buy them or miss out.
@@jaybee4288are those plenty of people in the room with us? Speak now or forever hold your peace. Maybe you personally enjoy it, but EA has always cut as many corners as possible with the sims 4 so that they could take advantage of the franchise’s popularity to drive sales. You can defend them all you want but at the end of the day, the execs are laughing at you as they drag their money bags to the bank
Played Sims 2 and Sims 3 for years. Never had any expansions. It was still fun. Played the Sims 4 base game for a while. Became bored.
STOP GIVING EA YOUR MONEY🗣️‼️
For real!!! No more lol
I remember EA previously announced that There will be no Sims 5 if the Sims 4 was not a success.
Occasionally I check on my sims 4 game. Even if there is a expansion pack I’m slightly interested in, like the vampire add-on, I physically cannot get myself to buy it💀 I have too much respect for myself
Tell that to the kids and teens 😂
@@Daniel-tg8uu Good, let the reign of the greedy sims end once and for all
An important thing to note: maxis was dissolved in 2013. Sims 4 is TECHNICALLY a maxis game, but is for all intents and purposes the first fully EA sims games. Sims 1 and 2 were both simply published by EA, while sims 3 was mostly maxis with EA sticking its toes in outside of publishing (the store, maxis having to fight to have their name on launch etc). Why does this matter? It’s not the first time a large, money hungry corp eats up and buys a smaller developer. Devs who care are replaced for “cheaper” alternatives IE overworked and underpaid new hires who don’t know about lore or frankly care. Can you blame them? With prices nowadays the developers need to eat too. The problem runs much deeper than just gameplay- there’s a societal problem. I hope the next couple of years we see more indie devs sticking it to these mega corps. A truly good game can NOT be made without passion
I absolutely understand people working on teh franchise, probably guys and gals with good few years of experience but on the entry level jobs which would be paid less if there weren't any laws to prevent that :D EA is a corpo shithole I absolutely don't have to have a first hand expoerience to conclude that.
Exactly!!
Something that Sims 3 nostalgia babies need to remember (me included) is that this greed 100% started with the Sims 3. There's a literal premium currency to get overpriced microtransactions. So yes, the Sims 3 is a good and complete game. Is it much better in the topic of "greed"? Not at all.
And in my view, the sims 2 and all its packs function together rather more cohesively than the sims 3 packs do.
Completely true - that is definitely where the greed really started. But I feel like the expansion packs were at least still worth the money, like Pets for example having so much and now it’s split into 3 different packs still with less content in TS4. TS4 is on another level of greed compared to TS3
@@Omniburg it's greed in different types at the end of the day. The Sims 3 has better expansion/main DLCs but the store is very predatory. Even opening up build & buy will give you an ad for the micro transactions.
While The Sims 4 was indeed a complete incomplete mess of a game at launch, it promised a better game in the future and I gotta say base game has features that most other Sims games don't have, but it is unacceptable that we had to wait that long for such improvement and have DLC packs split unnecessarily other than they wanna charge more.
It's more of a "pick your poison" in my opinion. Both have distasteful monetization for games that you have to pay to even play to begin with (minus the TS4 becoming free to play a bit ago now)
To me the big difference between the sims 3 store and sims 4 dlc is that with the former, those were extra items to spice up your game with, but weren't actually needed for the game to be enjoyable. With the sims 4 though, you literally have to purchase atleast some dlcs to actually have something to do in the game.
Yesterday I heard Life By You was cancelled, what you expose here is one of the main reasons why I find that very worrysome. EA NEEDS competition on The Sims, to show it, that Sims games can be done better and for people to have other options. I have seen a lot of movement to move away from The Sims, which means they still have a fan base but only because the Sims is the only big life simulation game in the market.
This, absolutely. I would also love to see some crossovers in genre. Imagine a child-friendly Sims meets Animal Crossing game. Or Stardew Valley, but you are in control of the whole family. For a darker game, mix GTA and Sims, there are already criminal career options, so why not expand on that?
Can we mod these things? Probably. But whole new games where creators take these mashups and add their own flare would make them better than the sum of their parts. We don’t need another casual farming simulator. We need “Sims, but with a twist and not by EA”!
As competition they have paralives and inzoi (which is a 100 times more beautiful then the sims and comes with more features)
Omniburg: talks about TS1
Also omniburg: shows footage from TS2 😭😭
Little oversight 😅😂
@@Omniburg lolol no problem! It was a great video regardless
@@luchirimoya thank you for watching! :)
@Omniburg I was about to comment that I have the complete collection,I can send you a video!,lol 😅
I can’t WAIT until the sims has real competition. I truely hope paralives, life by you, or what have you really makes EA’s pockets hurt. Because my spite has made me never want to touch the sims again after they sucked the love and passion out of my favorite game.
Me too. The worst part is it can’t be that hard, relatively speaking, to make something comparable in quality. It just requires the right investment and creative vision. The Sims just has a strangehold on the genre thanks to its iconic image.
I agree. I got bored with The Sims 4 so quickly. The only thing I liked about it was Create A Sim. I found myself doing nothing but creating Sims because I got bored with gameplay really quickly.
Welp this comment is already spoiled. Rip life by you :(
ive been giving a couple dollars a month to the paralives team for years now and i genuinely think its going to be the best sims competitor. the team clearly has so much passion and creativity and talent. i can't wait to have a game that's like the sims 4 but with indie developers avoiding most of the pitfalls of a terrible company like EA
Inzoi is a very big competition its beautiful
I can't believe there are people who will still defend the sims 4
Some people’s standards are super low. I feel like The Sims franchise tends to have a very casual playerbase and many of them probably don’t play anything else so they don’t realize how bad it is and how much they’re being screwed. Worse if they’ve never picked up any of the previous 3 games and have something to compare it to.
i love ts3 but every time i play it there's things i miss from 4 like being able to travel casually between neighborhoods, easily place other people's lots and sims into my game, and the multitasking features. it all comes down to preference. is it really that hard to believe other people have different tastes in games
@@alexdh2001 nah, it's not about taste. I had times in which I adored the sims 4 and I agree all these features feel lacking now in previous games. However, the game is unplayable. I have a gamer notebook that can run even heavier games and nothing lags like sims 4. It takes hours in game for a sim to do a simple task. We gotta stop praising EA everytime they leave us crumbs. It's consumer rights 101: if a product doesn't work as intended, you deserve your money back. They also have extorted players for a decade now.
But this my exact issue with the sims 4 community: everytime we point out EA's shortcomings, someone will defend the game based on "personal taste", but no one's talking about personal taste here.
@@BabyBat14 that's wild to me because my gaming laptop runs the sims 4 a million times better than sims 3. the sims 4 only lags for my gaming laptop if i'm on a lot with excessive objects or if i play on speed 3 too much, meanwhile i can't even run the sims 3 with more than 3 dlcs without constant freezes. also lumping all sims 4 defenders in one group is ridiculous, there are so many people playing it regularly who all have diverse opinions. all i'm saying is EA sucks but the sims 4 isn't objectively worse
@@alexdh2001 well at the end of the day it basically just has some nicer quality of life and accessibility features. Those are just a result of time, not some ground breaking design choice. It’s more the fundamental issues with the game here we’re talking about. You really prefer paying 80+ dollars for 3 packs just to get something worse than TS3 Pets?
I have 2.5k hours logged into the sims 3, and I have no intention of switching to 4, EVER. I’ve tried it out (pirated) with all of the expansions, and it felt like a cardboard cut out. Especially the sims itself, the don’t feel as alive and unique. With all the traits and the ability to dye anything any way I want, I have the opportunity to create something perfectly unique for each sim. My current sim is a witch, who does all the traditional witch stuff in the sims 3, but she is also a scene kid, obsessed with zebra print and neons, and only in the sims 3 could I achieve a sim as unique as that!
Most people who play sims 4 often don’t play to actually create stories but to create lots and build. Because Sims 4 by far has thee best build/buy system. The only thing on their side. Sims 3 also is completely unplayable without mods in a sense the worlds are completely lifeless and inactive. Each have their gripes but I will say I do prefer 3 over 4 solely for the open world lol. Seeing unicorns and turtles etc in the open world was such a treat lol.
@@SBBunny93 I have seen this complaint several times, currently playing the game with no mods and its very busy idk what you guys mean when you say the worlds are empty. I go to the park..busy, gym? also busy. Stand outside the bookshop and its practically a parade... What specifically are you referring to?
See that over here .. is the reason why I despised Sims 3. I played to have stories accross several families. In both Sims 1 and 2. 3 just threw ALL THE FUN I had out of the window to give me nonsensical 'open world'. Sims was always a doll house game. Then 3 came and decided they want to be wanna be GTA .. well in GTA I can ride cars, I can steal, I can kill, I can shoot and do more then 3's could ever imagined. I wanted Sims to be the Sims.
All your praise here, nails exactly the core issue why people who usually loved Sims 1 and 2 detested 3. You talk about singular Sim. That game was freaking atrocious if you wanted to control whole family. And the bugfest .. ugh Sims 3 performance and quality control - for bugs - was abyssmal.
Thank gods 4's are way more bridging to me. They still have bugs, just not as many as 3 and they have botherations like these 'fine' systems that I assume carried over from Sims 3. I wish they let me turn it off. And to copy I believe 3's manual adjusting how long specific life period of sims will last.
@@idgafcba I think they complain on 4 because they have rose tinted glasses of nostalgia for 3's. I remember parks in 3 but they weren't AS busy as say any public lot of Sims 2, by comparison to 2's .. most of the day park in 3's was empty. And I was A LOT in park as one of my teens was artist and she was playing in park for people on her guitar.
@@cracmar03 the OG comment I replied to was talking about Sims 3, my comment is in defence of Sims 3. I personally find Sims 4 boring tbh
the fact that I actually uninstalled it from my computer for the first time ever... says a lot. I have played all iterations since 2001, consistently. Now, the thought of the Sims at all makes me mad
At least 3 still has a strong community 😢
Adding to your engagement, and also fact checking that having kids was a Sims 1 base game feature, and did not actually come with Livin' Large (having kids by "woohoo" in the heart bed that came with Livin Large did, however. Without the pack, you could still have kids by performing enough romantic interactions).The only major DLC features from Sims 1 that were added into the Sims 2 Base Game include community lots and shopping, which came with the Sims 1 Hot Date and/or Unleashed, as well as throwing a house party, that came with Sims 1 House Party. Other notable Sims 1 DLC features that shipped with the Sims 2 Base Game are arguably Woohoo and certain romantic interactions from Hot Date, although in the Sims 1, it wasn't known as Woohoo. Certain gameplay or decorative items and careers from The Sims 1 like Telescopes and the slacker career from Livin' Large (and alien abductions), or the Buffet Table from House Party, among several others, also shipped with the Sims 2 Base Game. Totally new, and much more significant gameplay concepts that came with the Sims 2 Base Game and many of which have lasted to this day include aging and 5 life stages, death by old age, days of the week, private school, proper wedding parties, birthday parties, anniversaries, pregnancy, neighbourhood creation/decoration, the ability to place lots, family trees and genetics, the ability to create unique faces in CAS with seperate hairstyles and outfits, outfit categories like sleepwear, active wear, formal and swimwear, cooking different dishes for breakfast lunch, dinner and dessert, building foundations, multi-storey homes including basements, different roofing types with placeable roofing, randomly, playable aliens, and of course lifetime aspirations, milestones and memories as well as wants and fears, along with a host of other purely aesthetic features including things like being a fully 3D game. That's just the base game. The leap from Sims 1 to 2 is truly remarkable, and many features available in the Sims 2 Base Game are not available in the Sim 4, like custom neighbourhoods, or were patched in after launch like toddlers, or put into later DLC, like baby changing tables, of all things.
Thanks so much for the fact check and information! I read somewhere that they'd been added in Livin' Large, but it must have been faulty info. Really appreciate your input there, and thanks for the interactivity, too :)
Me this whole video: "SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!!!"
I started playing Sims 2 Ultimate Collection and never looked back. I wish Sims 2 lasted longer we could get even more expansion packs to our collection.
I installed it as well yesterday, and I've had the most fun playing the Sims than I have in a long time! The attention to detail, the AI, the love put into the game... Sims 4 could never.
Sims 4, the only game I encourage to pirate because this is literally theft if you pay for those expansions.
Yar harr, onto the Seven Seas we merrily go (I endorse this message)
Grew up with Sims 2 and 3? I grew up with Sims 1 and how hard that game was.
I would say The Sims peaked at 2, back then the game was still made with love, allot of details and it run rather well.
Sims 3 wasn't bad but it was in some ways a downgrade from 2.
The worst part about Sims 4 is that some of the quality of life improvements are really good, it makes the older games feel a bit slow and clunky and Sims 2 is a nightmare to get running on newer computers. What I wouldn't do for a remaster of Sims 2 and 3.
Sims (4) players are also part of the problems. They know EA has been ruining the game but they keep buying everything EA throws at them, simmers would be outraged everytime they get a broken dlc, then EA would be like "look guys there's new dlc coming" and then simmers would be so hyped and suddenly forget that they're mad at EA, then they would get mad again when the said new dlc is broken, then EA announces another dlc and so on and so on. And that's why EA keeps releasing broken overpriced games, they know this community has no backbones whatsoever 🤷♀️
I think it also has to do with the player base in general. EA is clearly marketing the Sims 4 to children, whereas the past Sims titles were marketed towards teens and young adults. Children wouldn't really care about the content or price of the game as long as the parents are buying it for them.
I’ve been playing the sims as a kid since the ending of the sims 2 franchise, sims 3 being my favourite. As an adult now playing the sims 4 with all the dlc content I’m bored out of my mind. It feels soo empty and hollow for a game that supposed to be a life simulation. Every expansion pack in the sims 3 had soo much content that was worth every penny. Till this day I get super excited to play it. EA should be ashamed their robbing their fan base
I agree completely. It has so much potential to be such a fun game and it just goes to waste for greed.
At this point I’m just gonna wait for inZoi I don’t even wanna play ts4 anymore
I totally agree with you... Sims 4 was ruined by corporate greed. Blasting out expensive DLC's that offer NOTHING to game play other than more decor, was a garbage move by EA.
I blame most of The Sims Community, every time a new pack comes out they get all excited and buy it, and they be thanking them on top of all that, they never seem to learn & it only gives EA more reason to sell half baked dlc.
it’s so refreshing to hear people not bash the sims 3 as if it’s not the best game to come out of the life sim genre. sims 4 is garbage! idc who enjoys it! it’s not a complete game at the end of the day
I wouldn't by any means say TS3 is the best, but it deserves praise for being the most ambitious.
It was always stuffed with content and new innovations, and most of the bugginess was because they were litetally trying to give players too much.
@@vanyadolly the reason i say its the best is primarily because its the closest game we have to "play life" realistically. the level of customization and open world on top the gameplay + the mod & cc community is top tier
this is why I'm a pirate 😂😂😂
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Ahoy matey 🦜
Finally! Someone mentions piracy! I was watching a similar video about this topic, but since no one was mentioning piracy, I got too scared of saying anything in fear of getting harassed 😅
@@DeltaRaptoran I've noticed that The Sims community is one of the game communities that won't be as quick to shame you for piracy like other game fanbases. I think that just makes it clear that EA is the problem
Ahoy
RIP Life By You
It's a somewhat common piece of lore now, but The Sims 4 was originally going to be an always-online spinoff game (Project Olympus) that was halfheartedly gutted and turned into a "mainline entry" late into development after SimCity 2013's disastrous launch.
Really shows how much care EA has for their flagship franchise.
Thanks for covering about Sims series. You are not alone thinking that Sims 4 has regressed a lot compared to the previous versions. It has gotten worse with the massive amount of Sims 2.
To me Sims 2 has the best run throughout the series, the improvements from Sims 1 to 2 is massive and incomparable. However, I would disagree that Sims 3 era was the peak. I had a lot of improvements with the open world and color wheel, but the cracks of the Sims being profit focused is shown within Sims 3 era, with the in-game ads for Sims 3 shop, the KPST stuff pack among a few examples.
When I was young the Sims was about the dream of owning and building a house.
Now I'm an adult the Sims is about the fantasy of owning and building a house.
"Maybe you grew up on the Sims 3 or 2 like me"
Having grown up on the Sims 1, I feel old hearing this.
the sims 2 is just perfect also the y2k aesthetic of it all AAAAAA the only thing i miss is the extreme violence mod
the lilsimsie/other payed creators is smtn I was waiting for!
EA has them in a stranglehold and they have to pretend everything is always great!!
bro i cant stand lil simsie, i mean i dont think shes bad or anything. shes sweet and nice but she integrated herself so hard into sims brand that she became some sort of advertisment for them that everyone knows. and i bet she cant really say everything she has in mind cause she has such a influence over this game and opinions of other people. it makes her give off some sort of clean pg corporate vibe. i cant watch her anymore. not to mention that her content is kinda repetetive... i cant watch another each room is different smth cause im gonna puke
@@sheenie8897 I think she gets paid, or least get free trips to EA conferences - isn't she considered the title EAPLAYER or something like that?
lilsimsie is a pretty extreme example. I think her positivity is influenced a lot by her personality, not just by her being paid. James Turner and Plumbella are also in the EA creator network and don't sugarcoat the way Simsie is.
EA don't do the paid trips any more. They stopped during lockdown. The creators just get remote access to preview the new packs now.
I don't watch lilsimsie but as someone who has watched James Turner for several years, he's always real about things missing and the prices, just looking at a few videos about my first pet stuff u can tell he really hates it
worst partis that if people keep buying they'll keep making expansions and splitting them up or putting barely any effort in
Life by you has been cancelled. So no luck there. The next sims game is gonna be as shallow and as bare bones as ts4
I just saw that this morning :( I hope something comes soon. They desperately need a competitor.
Life by You was cancelled so let's hope that Paralives comes through. Also please for the love of god pirate the DLC, you can do it easily now that the base game is free. I'm baffled people are paying money for the DLC when pirating it has never been easier.
Or inzoi
I don't understand how a company can keep selling broken products to their customers?? First of all, the trailers for the packs are false advertising. Second of all, their packs are broken... EVERY. SINGLE. TIME!
That's why I don't buy anything for TS4 anymore. And no, I don't pirate either - that's literally theft. If EA doesn't give a damn about fixing their game, then I don't give a damn to play it. I ain't gonna be a fool over and over again buying overpriced garbage for a game that never gets fixed. It's ridiculous!
And they can fix it, they just decide that making content is more important than having a game that works. If a single modder can fix bugs, glitches, issues and recode the game to where features actually work (for free btw), then a whole group of people can go above and beyond one person (that are getting paid).. It's crazy how lazy and greedy EA is as a company! And you've still got idiots who will keep buying the packs for the sake of CAS items or B&B items.. even though the features don't work and the pack breaks even more coding.. Pfff. I don't get it lol
It’s all about the $$$ for them…
The Sims is an example of what happens when one entity holds a monopoly, it starts pumping out mediocre stuff at outrageous prices because people don't have any other alternative. Although I am saddened by the cancellation of Life By You, hopefully Paralives and Inzoi will give EA a wake up call.
I have to correct you on the price of Sims 3 packs. Where I live, expansion packs for Sims 3 cost € 39.99 on Origin (and Steam too). At least according to my receipt for Sims 3 Seasons and Island Paradise, the only two EPs I bought on Origin (and only things I actually preordered and didn't regret it 😁), instead of retail box. And since EA always used 1:1 USD:EUR currency rate, they had to cost 40 USD too. Stuff packs did cost € 19.99, with the exception of infamous Katy Perry Sweet Treats, which cost the same as EP. So, in Sims 4, they actually lowered the price for SPs from Sims 3 times, while keeping Sims 3 price of EPs and brought new Game Packs for the price of Sims 3 SPs.
Other than this slip up, I agree with your points. You said it well.
That's weird, I remember sims 3 expansions costing ~35 € and I also vividly remember being put off by sims 4 expansions costing more than their sims 3 counterparts.
Thanks for your input :))
That weirded me out too... I remember the prices from the Sims 3 VERY well, and I wish they'd been that low. Paid 39,99€ too 😂 (in Germany)
@@LeaB-uz8md It also depends where you bought them. Origin and Steam always had regular prices (meaning not in sales) for EPs € 39.99. However, other stores, like Amazon, or local stores in your country, may have the prices cheaper.
And here in Czechia, things were even more interesting, because Euro is not our currency. We pay in Czech Crowns. However, neither Steam, nor Origin (now EA App) has their storefronts localised to CZK, so, we have to pay in Euros there. As I wrote, I bought all Sims 3 EPs but the two I mentioned previously, as hard copy in CZK and the prices of those were usually a lot cheaper than the EUR:CZK recount. Honestly, if I didn't want Origin exclusive objects for Seasons and Island Paradise, I would never bother getting those packs on Origin and just bought them cheaper as hard copy.
It's strange that in Poland expansion packs for The Sims 3 cost PLN 90 ($22.24, although the difference was probably different in 2009)
now expansion pack for the sims 4 costs PLN 190 ($46.94)
Every pack has at least minium one broken feature! Do they mind to fix it? No, why the heck should they? They stretch the content across new packs - I can't wait for all the competitors who will hopefully show EA how it should be including a happy healthy gaming community.
It’s really criminal that they just blatantly sell a broken product and don’t even fix it.
Sims 3 is still broken and they will not fix it so what do you expect? Just stop giving them money and they'll be forced to listen.
I've loved the franchise all my life (played all the console and pc games, has all the expansions and stuff packs) and I really hate seeing where it is today. While I love the open world and the look of everything in the sims 3, I feel like the franchise actually peaked with the sims 2. They put so much love and detail into everything in that game. Some examples being: how sims lounge on couches and watch tv, prepping and cooking food, actually getting into a car and driving off. It's so many small details and even the silly quirky things like how over the top a sim's first kiss is in the game that make it so entertaining and a long lasting play experience. Expansion packs were also huge and added an insane amount of content to the game. I love the sims 3, too, but saw immediately the significant decrease in content for every expansion and stuff pack. That and the introduction of the store micro transactions is where passion began to die and the greed started to take root. The sims 4 is a joke and the only thing it has going for it is it's ability to draw in new players to the franchise that have no idea how great the prior games were. I refused to pay anything for the sims 4 right from the jump. I hope the sims 5 is better, but I really doubt it as long as EA has its claws in it. Here's to hoping indie games like paralives come to life and dethrone them/inspire them to do better.
Pro tip, you can find the games and all their dlc (and store items) for free online and get them safely if ya look around online a little. Don't feed EA anymore money, if ya can avoid it. They don't deserve it.
It's not a scam though. A scam would mean the fandom isn't aware of this. It is aware of the less content/lower quality yet ridiculously higher prices, but still pays for it. This is simply stupidity on our part. I don't play anymore, no one should.
Life By You was canceled, but paralives is still in the works ^-^
What?! 😮😢
"Let's start at the beginning. The original Sims game... " *proceeds to show Sims 2 footage*
Oops 😶
It amazes me how quickly people seem to have forgotten the epic cash grab that was the Sims 3. EVERYTHING was for sale and advertised in game in both Build/Buy and CAS. SDX drop a free new hair? Nah...that's going on the Sims 3 store for 100 simpoints. In fact if I remember correctly it would cost about $75,000 USD to buy all the Packs and DLC from Sims 3
The store was absurdly overpriced, but nothing on it was necessary for a fulfilling experience. The expansion and stuff packs were great value because they were stuffed with content.
Even as someone who's critical of TS3, I have to praise them for the most content-packed expansions in the engire series.
you can block it and that's what I did immediately as a small child.. Never went to the store, to buy some clothing item? Booring.
Katy. Perry. Sweet. Treats.
$7500. Not $75,000. Still an absolutely absurd number nonetheless.
Plus The Sims 3 Store is stupidly easy to pirate nowadays; I know of like 4 websites alone. As somebody already mentioned, none of the store was required for a fufilling experience.
Also, The Sims 2 had a store as well. It's just more forgotten because the website has been closed for 13 years now, and the only items worth talking about from it were the baby items, but that was where the entire idea of "Simpoints" originated!
Sims 3 packs were actually $40 when they came out. They're only $20 now because the game is no longer being updated. But most of the expansion packs were worth that price, because of the amount of gameplay they offered and the depth of that gameplay, unlike Sims 4.
I agree
Remember people, it is always morally correct to pirate EA games. I love the Sims series but I stopped paying for Sims 4 years ago and just use a DLC unlocker because Sims 4 is a huge downgrade for Sims 3. I am hoping Paralives turns out to be a massive success because it looks like a good spiritual successor to Sims.
I wish fan has a critical look on what they love, like they have limit. Instead on jumping on everything just because it wears the name of the favorite franchise. But what make their favorite franchise?
I don't understand why cottage living doesn't have cats dogs or horses.
from one video i saw going over the history of the sims discusses the development of the sims 4. they say that it originally was built for multiplayer but they decided to go a different route due to another game's downfall (or contraversy?) and didnt want to risk it. which, is fair, but WHY sacrifice quality just to get the game out on time? players will forget that it even released late as long as the game is as amazing as they remember it to be. it all reminds me of that roblox game, royale high. it looks pretty (if your graphic settings are on ultra and your pc can handle it without melting) but any sort of fun is being drained out of it.
That explains a lot! It was clear from the start that The Sims 4 was going to try to squeeze us for all we’ve got…
It was Simcity 2013, it had always online on, and then completely crashed the servers on launch, rendering it unplayable.
It was later found out that it ran fine offline, and they actually added that as a feature under pressure from fans.
It's not the greed what ruined the Sims series, but EA. Maxis were perfectly fine and ambitious, with a goal to create. And EA killed them, took the Sims and turned it into endless cashgrab
Solid video. I gave up on the Sims 4 in 2014 after having a pre-order and discovering how empty it was on launch day.
I have weighed up ever getting into the game for years as I own it already and now my household has all the expansion and stuff packs thanks to my family deciding to buy them all.
Based on the headaches I watch other Sims 4 players have all the time over the game breaking after new updates and the packs never working properly, I just can't be bothered.
The Sims 2 is my favourite of all time and I'm playing the Sims 3 with all expansions nowadays because it feels more like an upgrade in the franchise than TS4 (obviously it is better).
I actually do like some of the TS4 pack content, but it never seems worth the hassle of playing with broken content.
You should check out the upcoming expansion. Literally all it's about is dating and recycled content with almost zero new features.
something that disappoints me about ea is their price hiking in general. did you know my sims was made more then 2 decades ago and was obtainable for free on release but is $25 now. and I knew the DLC prices had gone up but not enough sims fans talked about it so I thought was just being crazy.
This is basically why I only looked at vanilla Sims 4 and abandoned ship. I grew up with 1 and 2 and it was great. Sims 4 and EA is why I tell everyone to just yohoho this entire series these days (especially since you can't even legally buy some of it).
EA is most likely never going to sell TS2 ever again because its superior gameplay would take away people from spending money on the shell of a game that is TS4 (TS2 is my favourite but TS3 is also fun)
“Maybe you grew up on the sims 2 or 3”
Me: 👵🏼😂 … yeah
Sims 1 and 2 are abandonware, you can find them on basically any abandonware site, they are pretty easy to get working on modern PCs too, lots of guides.
Don't pay for any new Sims game.
I built my first PC in 1999. The Sims ended up being the only game I bought for it. Played them all over the years. First time I loaded up the fourth, I genuinely thought I had bought a demo, not the 'full' game.
Sims 1 was good, it was the sims 2 that started the DLC gallore, yet the game was good, sims 3 was alright. 4th game felt empty. All the other games felt like there was a game to add on to. 4th game felt like it was a empty platform waiting to be filled with DLC.
The Sims 4 in theory is enjoyable, gets some things right, and innovated, but it’s severely out balanced by the demerits. The audience needs to know their worth, the products true worth, and exercise good standards;
And EA/Maxis needs to atone for it’s outright blatant exploitation. If enough consumer base pays THAT much over-priced for a dilapidated game, not only is the life-sim market pricing and performance standards over-inflated in general, but if EA/Maxis or another distributor/developer actually produces a GOOD life simulator on GOOD SOLID foundation, the cost could be even more astronomical than weak Sims 4 if they also choose to exploit the market.
LONG: The problem is at the core and foundation: The poor technical performance and stability (great they’re finally dedicated to fixing it!), value of the game, lacking base game features, packs too spread out and lacking features, and the greedy cash cow. Project Renee and other life sims must get the foundation right.
The Sims 4 is grossly inadequate. The quality isn’t even qualifying. Besides that, gameplay is unsubstantiated. There’s little realism details and immersion, the sims are very shallow with goofy reaction walks all the time and passing out with repetitive and annoying voice lines and animations, over emotional, underpinned personalities and consequences. For gameplay features, systems, mechanics, details/animations that improve realism and quality of life should be updates to the base game AND previous packs, to actually bring the game UP TO DATE. Expansion packs should be NEW, EXPANDING, and UPGRADING features: story arcs, skills, hobbies, recipes, careers, aspirations, goals, wants & fears, interactions and animations, locations, gameplay and playable items, iconic assets, trendy and temporal things, brand new aspects to improve the game’s GRADE.
Life basics should have the foundation laid in the base game such as relationships and romance having a compatibility and attraction system and interactions like cuddling in bed. These can be EXPANDED and more nuanced in an EP (but BASICS should be BASE game) Past features already in base game Sims should be in the new iterations base, why is Sims 4 vanilla base missing or underdeveloped shopping for clothes and groceries, biographies, family trees, your own notes journal, memories for a few examples. Past iconic items can be in a special edition if not in the base like: in pre-sale items (which could be deluxes later available), as a login reward, or in an expansion like the heart-shaped bed put into My Wedding Stories.
The relationship and romance factor in Sims 4 is severely lacking even with expansions, they’re still under served and even broken. Not enough drama or story arc mechanics. Consequences and reactions based on personality, mood, relationships, and circumstances are underserved; an example, child sims (relationship, not age, i.e. offspring or even as adults) should react to their parents argue, fight, cheat, divorce and it be an ongoing occurrence/memory affecting other interactions (and this should be base game on a basic level at least to start).
Simmers compare TS3 Generations EP to i think Growing Together+Parenthood+High School Years EP’s and even more (Toddler Stuff, considering)! The compatibility system and relationship status should be base game updates. City Living+Get together should’ve went together. How ridiculously spread! For a romance expansion: the supposed Love-Struck EP could have been with My Wedding Stories and Romantic Garden rolled into one. Make the attraction and romance system base game, and the new features like the skills, items, events, careers, worlds, UPGRADED or ADDITIONAL interactions drama consequences and reactions in an expansion. Cats&Dogs+My first pet stuff definitely should’ve been one or a deluxe bundle considering you needed features in the former to use the latter. City Living+ Dine Out with Bust the dust as an optional mechanic (or it’s mechanic as a base game update or featured in Parenthood OR High School Years or Discover University Or Cottage Living OR Eco Lifestyle OR you get it) There’s many more packs that should be united in one efficient expansion OR just bundled economically. Each level is too costly for SOOO much expansion content, i think kits should be worth the pennies and cents each item is worth or $3 USD and Expansion packs should be no more than $30 and LESS of them. One of the levels should be eliminated. Maybe Game packs and Stuff kits that have less content than EP’s but are more optional, discretion, and seasonal trend based. If not better expansion bundling than justify the flagrant pricing-model!
(This is not researched, there might be inaccuracies like what was put into base game updates)
THEY’re milking the consumer base and fans while it’s shallow playing, NOT EVEN STABLE or innovative without the community WORKING unofficially for free for the game to FUNCTION. This is injustice!!! Packs and products should be finished upon release (as quality control standard, so mistakes and shortcomings can happen with grace but the standard and solutions are in place). It should stand on its own without MODS. TS4 is disgustingly over priced for its true value. The game has been OUTDATED for years already: its engine, new features and cross pack integration stability, graphics especially the Sims design style (some food and furniture in 2, 3, 4 look better than the human sims), A.I., some cheats as options, [imo these things should be anniversary gift updates: lack luster features like the phone and social media, vehicles even just for looks and to click on to travel], ui modularity (arrange the simology panel icons in the order the player likes, easily turnoff headline effects, minimize the conversation box, turn off the shopping cart button), better queue, it’s just too buggy-many features and PACKS don’t even work properly like moods & fears, needs decay is wonky imo, many overused animations, very unrealistic animations, lacks consequences, repetitive story progression mechanics (the phone calls and 3am job agency i didn’t even opt into), H.S.Y, M.W.S, D.O., etc etc. Can they at least FIX My Wedding Stories and Dine Out during this romance season?
GREED has tainted The Sims franchise. These expansions are WAY too spread out and outrageously over valued especially considering the games very buggy and shaky performance. This game is severely under-performing and developed as it was literally designed to be a mobile game initially and took away soo many details and features from Sims 2 & 3 when it should be UPGRADING and EXPANDING them- 4 innovates CAS and upgrades Building but dropped Create-a-Style which is revolutionary and no Color Wheel 🫥 then has the nerve to not standardize swatches to match. The essence has gone to trassh, it does not warrant a complete edition costing well into the $1,000’s USD it’s egregious!
lowkey 70% of my gameplay with sims 4 feels like CAS because with mods it is just so addictive
This is such a high quality video and deserves way more views! I agree with all of your points. I grew up on The Sims. Have been an avid player for almost 20 years now. But after all the stuff they pulled I cannot in good conscience support them anymore. I play Sims 2 regularly and still go back to Sims 3 from time to time. Heck even Sims 1 I feel myself craving in moments when I'm in need of chaos.
I had an interview with Jonathan Knight not too long ago, super interesting Insights and it was so clear how passionate the team was.
All things considered, I feel like the downfall started at Sims 3... And this comes from someone who LOVES Sims 3. Because it's the first game where they began to cut orders and do advertising in-game. The only reason why it isn't as noticeable is the fact Sims 3 added plenty in return, the same cannot be said for Sims 4 which cut corners without adding anything in return. I play Sims 4 occasionally and I won't lie by saying the game has some good sides... But all of the downpoints, bugs and severe lag quickly add up, breaking the fun and immersion. They won't fix their game and considering they're pushing mobile stuff more and more in their game, I'm almost confident Sims 5 is gonna be worse to the point we're gonna look back at Sims 4 and go: We had it good.
I mean, what was one cohesent pack in Sins 3 and even 2, is divided into 5 separate packs in Sims 4. It's hard to imagine... On top of that all the quirkiness, uniqueness and dark comedy is gone. Instead we got a watered down version of the previous games that wants to be as child-friendly as possible, not taking their audience seriously.
I'm glad we're getting a ton of Indie companies making live Sims, but those will never be the Sims. Therefore it's rather likely that Sims 4 is the last real Sims game we're ever gonna get... And the spinoff games and in-depth lore? We won't ever have anything like that anymore.
Man that was a long comment haha! But just like you I'm passionate about the Sims. I think generally games nowadays are no longer released in a finished state, especially from triple AAA studios, but that results in companies slowly losing their support. It takes ages to build a loyal fanbase, but you can lose that in the snap of a finger.
I love The Sims 2 because it's a game which you practically can redesign it from the scratch with all mods and CC. It can be visually whatever you like in style you prefer. I have almost four hundred mods and forty five thousand CC and everything works perfectly. I had zero objections with supporting TS2 with my money and I bought the whole series. And when it comes to The Sims 4... well, I'm not gonna spend one dollar on this game. Ever. And when The Sims 5 comes out... it will be a success if it even start without crashing or destroying your computer.
IMO Sims 3 was the best. The problem is, the main game (every version) itself is really cheap, and then EA releases $1000 worth of addons, which is completely sleazy.
I think you've got some rose-colored glasses on when talking about ts3 because EA's greed was already worming its way in
The store is the most egregious example. If you want all of the content there is, it's over $70k! Plus, they would advertise it right in the game! They also had some very cash-grabby packs like the Katy Perry one
It was also horrifically optimized, and if a mod can improve it then the devs definitely could, EA just didn't care enough to fix it. Island paradise DLC is also notorious for being broken
I don't disagree with the overall thesis, but it's been going on since before ts4
It was bad at the start, but I'll tell you when it really kicked off. When they made their '1-1' transfer to consoles. In order for it to actually FIT on consoles, the packs started getting smaller. And smaller. And SMALLER AND SMALLER. If that had not happened, Sims 4 would be far from perfect true, but at least it wouldn't be shrinking with every expansion that comes out.
But they certainly didn't get cheaper... And in fact we got more packs, with less in them, at a higher price.
I commented on a sims sub on reddit how greedy they were for separated packs that should go together and how they do it this way to milk us, cause they know the majority of the fanbase will pay....and got downvoted to oblivion. Or how content creators do somehting original only for the sims devs to rip it off and make their own versions of that months later, but charging a ridiculous price (We had a mod with cows, and a year later or so the devs lanched cottage life).
This is so frustrating.
The community doesn’t want to help itself
The mod community is what is keeping this game alive.
Man, I wish I had seen a video like this before I started playing. I came in via The Sims 4 and didn't know what I was missing out on from the previous installments. 💀💀
Can't wait to see how much they cut from SIMS 5 to sell as 'DLC'.
It is said Sims 5 will have seasons built in (awesome) but they will charge for everything else of seasons.
Even though EA bought Maxis in the 90s, Maxis existed as its own studio until about 2013 or so.
So theres why. The sims 4 was ALL EA.
Why can’t EA bring back the old sims games like the Sims 1 and 2 on digital stores and make it run better on modern systems rather than just relying on pirates get these games for free which may contain malware or worse get sued by EA for piracy.
Personally, I think EA should take sims 3 and revived it for modern fast computers, like the kind most play now and then update the graphics a bit, fix the memory leaks and such that would sometimes crash the game. I bet many would buy it. Sims 3 was my most favorite game of all time, but now that I play on Nvidia 3080 and 4090, I can NO LONGER run the game at all. Only older computer systems can and EA won't even bother to fix this.
Yes! Would be a dream 😢
I’m so excited for paralives. They’ve already been putting a flame under ea to improve their own game. It looks so promising.
This is the reason i never got Sims 4. Especially after investing time and money buying all the expansions for Sims 3. Sims 4 was a huge step back form day one and seeing the state EA releases expansions that dont even work is saddening. For sims 3 was it peak and sims 4 just seems like this giant cash grab. Pushing any kind of content, working or not, to make more money. I just keep going back to sims 3 and hope once paralives come out that it will cause EA to actually try.
Sometimes these smaller studios just show things can be done better. As was seen with Cityskylines versus EA Simcity at the time.
Well, my hopes are dashed, Life By You is now cancelled (damn it) - I was really excited that The Sims was gonna have a competitor, but no. I know we have ParaLives coming and that other one from S. Korea - but LBY looked awesome - plus it was from Humble, who created The Sims 2 (I think). I kinda of wonder if EA paid Paradox off to cancel LBY because it was gonna be a big competitorr? Who knows? Big businesses do that you know....
What a great video. Thank you for saying what I’ve said for years. EA SUCKS!!
Also there were no pools at launch for the Sims 4
2:19 having kids was introduced in Livin' Large???? I swear I remember having kids in the first Sims game and I had 0 expansion packs.
I held off on Sims 4 for YEARS because I knew it wasn't shit. Played it for the first time in 2020 because I lost access to Sims 3 and found Sims 4 on sale for $6 and decided to give it a try. I never played any Sims games with mods until Sims 4. Recently I saw a 'leak' for the next Sims 4 expansion pack and laughed because every single feature I already have with mods. I really feel for console players.
With new life simulation games coming soon, I definately feel like the Sims is toward the end of their rope. EA/Maxis isn't listening to players and these other games developers seem to be more transparent and willing to hear feedback and ideas.
You’re correct, that was a mistake!
100%, I agree. Let’s hope and pray something comparable comes soon so we can leave EA in the dust 🙏
I was unfortunately only introduced to The Sims Franchise with TS3 on Wii. I didn't even play it that much, but my first proper experience of The Sims Series was TS4. I regret so many years later, purchasing practically most of the DLC for this crap "game". I never had toxic positivity for TS4, so I of coursed watched Sims content, and was "impressed" by TS4 I thought to try TS3 since it was also still for sale. God, when I tried TS3 on PC! I was in love! I bought every single DLC for TS3 and I don't regret one single penny spent on it! I was slowly falling in love and even saw people playing TS2 but, this unfortunately was a couple years after EA stopped giving out TS2 for free through Origin. So, I had to go through Ebay and purchase these super cheap owned versions of TS2 and all of its DLC, and I absolutely love TS2 as well! I was like "Wow! These are actual games!" No matter if they are dated in terms of looks, there are mods and custom content for that and they look just fine.
The only thing TS4 is good for me now is CAS (cause I suck at building 😅). How I came to the conclusion of quitting TS4, not buying another single DLC for it and uninstalling it off of my computer was honestly through the UA-cam community and my own playing experience. Those creators who were honest about how much of a sh*t show TS4 is that it can hardly even be called a "game". All it is, is a dollhouse creator, it doesn't simulate life. The amount of mods you have to get for TS4, only for it to still not be enjoyable besides looking pretty, should be telling. I mean sure, there are people who probably genuinely enjoy TS4 (more power to them) but I think most people are aware that this game is a scam.
$1000+ for a single video game? Seriously!? Could you imagine how many other games you could get for that price and actually have fun! I think the last DLC I bought for TS4 before I was made aware of how bad EA and it's practices are is Cottage Living. I did cave in to get Growing Together, thinking it was going to give family gameplay like Generations from TS3 (oh boy, my mistake and I have learned my lesson). I haven't booted up TS4 in I think over a year now. I can honestly say, I feel free, my wallet is heavier and I am happy.
Yes, EA is scummy, I mean they got voted worst company in America, BACK TO BACK! But, we need to be honest about the player base as well. I think I am one of the smarter ones, even though I started with the TS4, I am not blind to the fact that it is a crap "game" compared to it's predecessors. The player base keeps shelling out money for every. single. broken. watered. down. DLC that EA dishes out for TS4. I mean, the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Best believe, other fanbases of other games from different companies are looking at hardcore TS4 fans like they are donkey's. I honestly, don't blame them cause it's like willingly accepting abuse at this point and at first it's sad but, a lot of them love it there. Unfortunately, that affects the rest of us, the more logical side of The Sims series fanbase. I don't see The Sims getting better, ever! Not under EA at least. TS5 is probably going to be the nail in the coffin for the franchise as you said in the video. It's unfortunate that The Sims will become Sim City before long. EA to blame but also the fanbase is largely to blame as well for the eventual death of the franchise 🤷🏾♀
What do you think? Is it as bad as I’m making it out to be, or am I exaggerating? Let me know!
Zero exaggeration whatsoever. I also bought all the addons and world packs for the sims 3 and felt like I got more than my moneys worth. I bought the base game for the sims 4 and was immediately disappointed, that disappointment grew even more when I saw how little "content" the packs added, and good god, those prices. Needless to say, I still only play the sims 3 and below. Never bought a single addon for the sims 4
@@kildozer2012 Sounds like the right choice 🤣
Thats why were mad, i could buy a few dozen games with how much the sims are charging for theirs. Plus the game is subpar compared to its previous titles.
Pretty bang on. Was to the point. Since the sims 4 came out and dlc slowly didn’t hide its shit. Made me wonder why people continue to allow them to keep half assin it
Grew up on Sims 1 and it was weird watching you talk about the game while showing Sims 2, lol. But I agree with everything you said and still enjoy Sims 1 and 2 more than I've ever enjoyed Sims 4.
The sims 2 was incredibly charming, and was made with immense love. Everything in it worked really well together. The sims 3 was excellent, but was somehow slightly less charming. It's atill my favourite for playing stories, though.
The only thing i like from the sims 4 is create a sim. I think it's easier to use, even if i dont like the cartoony style. I do like that there are options for people to make trans sims, too.
They need to do Sims 1 and 2 music, Sims 2 and 3 gameplay and Sims 4 graphics. That would create a pretty decent game. But this is why people play for a short time and then give up for months.
Agreed! And enough of the constant cash grab packs. Give us some good ones with lots of features that WORK!
This is why im glad to say Yar Har(if you get what I mean) for the sims 4 dlc, Im not about to spend 1000 dollars for all the DLCS
I bought the Sims 4 right when it came out for $70 Canadian and I played it for 1 week and I haven't played it since. I just ended up gifting the game to my sister. I went back to sims 3. There's just no comparing them.
I still can't get past that sims 3 supernatural pack included vampires, zombies, witches, and fairies but sims 4 sold each separately and with very small towns. (still no fairies though and they were my favorite supernatural)
you look at the sims 3 with very rose tinted glasses, quite frankly. it was horrible in terms of how it performed and still is, i can't even go into build mode without having it start to lag for 0 reason.
not to mention that yes, inflation, in regards to the CPI has risen by 100%. i dont think the sims 4 is the best game of the series, im not here to argue that. what i do have an issue with however is that oversight in general, very bad.
and a lot of the stuff as to why the sims 4 is as bad as it is is due to its development history, which is something im sure you know about
your statement on competitors is absolutely correct though. i have to admit that i fully agree with that
i feel like an important part of the story for the sims 4 is the existence of project olympus, while EA has project rene now (which is speculated as being the sims 5), project olympus was the sims 4, or it turned into the sims 4, in the games files someone (i believe it was twistedmexi? a big modder in the community) found code which is often used in online games, instances and server commands, it could’ve potentially have been for the gallery, but considering the leaked images of earlier versions of the game, it’s more likely that the game was originally supposed to be a multiplayer online game, in 2013 about a year and a half before the release of the sims 4, the sims city disaster happened which seemingly killed the franchise, it was a always online version of sims city, and on day 1 the game couldn’t be played because the servers couldn’t handle it, the game ultimately flopped and while it’s never been confirmed, it seems likely that this was what caused the massive pivot with the sims 4’s development, and why so many features were missing, the game already wasn’t going to have those features and EA was relying the on the fact it was going to be online to make up for the potential losses, but then the sims city disaster happened and between the issues with getting the online servers to work correctly and the public outcry, they changed the game, and it was released completely unfinished. at the end of the day, it was just as much a business decision to release the sims 4 the way they did, to avoid killing the franchise entirely, EA is notorious for shutting down games companies they acquired after a game flops, im in a weird way just relieved that didn’t happen to maxis… but i can’t say that i’m optimistic about the future of the sims. They recently introduced daily log-in rewards, and while they’ve been pulling crap like this for a while, i have to say that im still incredibly disappointed, frankly i think the direction that EA has taken as a company is perfectly tied to these games, the downfall is so gradual but so depressing, comparing the sims games, you can see with each pack how much worse things have gotten, the sims 3 was released with a lot of features, but just like with the sims 4 the updates overtime started to paint this picture, with the store and the money grabby packs, it was the game that introduced stuff packs, i dont have a general thesis, this just sucks.
To be fair, when you adjust for inflation the sims 2/3 packs cost roughly the same as what it costs for Sims 4. The issue is that the sims 2/3 packs were always good and packed with stuff. The only pack I remember people bitching about with the sims 2 was Freetime even though that pack is so good and the Sims 3 pack people bitched about was into the future because most people don’t even play it even to this day but it added a lot of stuff and was fun. Sims 4 packs aren’t fun. It’s packs of shit that was supposed to already be in the game. They keep separating it. Sims 3 Supernatural had it ALL. Mermaids. Fairies. Vampires. Werewolves. Genies. Zombies. Witches. Sims 4 had to separate it with vampire pack. And werewolf pack. And mermaid pack. Wtf…Sims 2 introduced supernaturals in various packs but they had MANY other stuff. For example, Apartment Life added witches randomly but it came with apartments! It wasn’t just a “witch pack”. That’s what makes the price worth it unlike Sims 4.
Facts
Actually, Genies came with Showtime, Aliens with Seasons, and Mermaids with Isla Paradiso, but your point is a valid one. There was SO MUCH additional gameplay content in all the Sims 3 packs compared to what is offered in Sims 4 packs. You need about 3 or 4 packs to equal one pack of Sims 3 content - and Sims 3 content has a lot fewer bugs.
I'm not a Sims fan, I can see the appeal for a lot of people, just not my type of game. However, even I feel disgusted with what the community has to put up with. You are the people who have built this franchise for all these years and made it a household name, and your reward is to be treated like a number, all the while having something you love destroyed before your eyes. I hate when companies forget where they came from. Reminds me of Bungie and Destiny releasing their 30th anniversary pack (which includes gated content), and charging for it. Like wtf, Bungie should be giving it as a free pack, you know, a thank you to the fans who made them what they are. Companies seem to forget that the fans are the reason why they can still make their games. (SUPPORT INDIE DEVS WHO CARE).
let's face it, we are one of the reason why this greedy ass company keeps doing what they're doing. we keep on complaining yet not enough backlashes for them to feel the consequences of their greedy choices. that's why they keep on taking our complaints as a joke.
Yep. That’s why I don’t purchase anymore packs. I just hope there will be an alternative soon so I can get the life simulation fix
sims 3 packs have lots of content in one, sims 4 break them down and sell them all separately.
case in point: sims 3 pets includes cats, dogs, horses which are playable, sims 4 separated them into cats and dogs pack and horses like ??
You could have a baby in ts1 base game...
My mistake! The user in the pinned comment corrected me on that.
I wish the people would stop making CC for TS4 and go back to TS2 and TS3 CC's, since these games were way better.
tbf at this point I treat sims 4 as a building simulator to unwind after work. and I don't even have to pay for new furniture since I could download community creations. when it comes to the actual game... I just don't find it interesting. I don't know what magic ingridient it's missing compated to other games, I just get bored quickly
I really had hopes with the monopoly issue because of Life by You, but apparently that's not going to happen. Maybe inZOI can do something about that
*Hears the mention of Life By You.*
*Cries a little, then cries a lot.*
Before that it was planned to be online.
However, it never happened due to the fall of SimCity 13.
As a sims3 (Also Sims2 and 1) player, i realy enjoy this series.
But the Sims 4.... what is that?
Yo-ho, yo-ho, a pirate's life for me!
My very first experience with the sims franchise was watching my mom play Sims 3 Pets as a kid. I saw her on her laptop and sometimes sat next to her to watch. A couple years later, I got my very first gameplay experience in The Sims 3 Medieval. While not everyone's first go at the franchise, and some may have never even heard of it or played it before, it was quite an experience. During the same timeframe, I also played The Sims 2 + Nightlife as my first real go at the game. I would play Sims 2 for HOURS on my old desktop and loved it. Eventually, I did end up playing Sims 3 Pets and loved it as well.
I was 9 years old when The Sims 4 came out and I heard a lot about it. Since I loved Sims 2, Sims 3, and The Sims Medieval so much, I thought I would like TS4 too. I got the game at around 2017-2018, and while I enjoyed it at first, I eventually couldn't play it for long without wanting to get off of the game. I am a builder, so the most time I put into the game at one time was when I was building a mansion in Sulani.
I haven't played The Sims 4 for about 1-2 years now and just strictly play the Sims 3. Once I got a good laptop and figured out how to make the game playable, I haven't gone back. I can build to my heart's content AND play the actual game for longer than 20 minutes no problem. It saddens me how EA is destroying this franchise that me, and many others have grown up with.
Life By You has officially been cancelled (I wasn't too into it anyway) and then there's Paralives and Inzoi when it comes to current competitors. I am most looking forward to Paralives. I just hope that someone can make EA shake in their boots and make a change.
I just downloaded a dlc unlocker lolol