The Stardust Nightclub Fire: One of Ireland's Darkest Days
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Discover the untold story of the Stardust nightclub fire in Dublin. This tragic event claimed 48 lives and forever changed a community. Watch to learn more and honor the victims.
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I'm Irish, watch as much of Simon's stuff as possible. There's something about irish events and conflict specifically that Simon seems to cover with respect and dignity. He done the Easter Rising ,War of Independence and Civil War on warographics. I'm still awaiting his take on the troubles. This is a very good piece on a very difficult event in Dublin's history. Keep up the good work sir.
Well-said👊
He’s an excellent documentarian.
Thought he's done a video on the Troubles. Maybe even three.
You Irish or American?
@@JohnMarkDoethe1st are you asking me or OP?
My parents lived in Dublin around this time and the way the government handled it was absolutely unforgiveable
Idk what else could had been done
@johnwinter7597 You mean other than an actual inquest like they ended up doing in 2019?
@@johnwinter7597 the emergency exists had been locked and the electrical work had been known for years to be in disrepair among many many other things, there was a lot more that should have been done
@@johnwinter7597 they blamed the dead and injured of arson. The place was a fking deathtrap.... they had carpeted tiles up the walls and ceiling, firedoors were locked, blocked and all windows had bars on outside. The owners got away with a lovely insurance payout and not even a smack on the wrist......
@@Dilydaydream1 that’s what I had gathered from what I’ve read on the incident, however they seem to be employed because the investigation has something to do with England that it wasn’t correct although I believe it wasn’t correct. I don’t think that politics that area had anything to do with it.
Thank you for covering this, the stardust fire didn't just affect the local area, it broke the country. The memories have left me crying but I still thank you.
Cinq Sept 1970 was a needless catastrophe caused by shoddy management and lax safety.
I think most nations and even local areas have a moment in each generation that transforms the public focus for many decades and sometimes centuries. I wasn’t 10 years old when this happened. I remember it. The news reports were saying it was “whatever popular term for domestic terrorism, was back then”.
I’m from the USA and I thought it was over around 15 minutes, because that’s how it would have ended in my country. I’m so happy that progress is being made toward justice.
And I’m not paying lip service, but yall have come out stronger and safer, not only through adversity, but in spite of it.
🙏
Crying as soon as this video started
This story breaks my heart, but the worst part for me? Everyone who went back in to help the others. They risked their bodies, their minds, and too many paid the ultimate price just being good people. That's the worst thing. They were heroes, and they got f**king **nothing** for it. These poor people..
My grandmother was at the Stardust, unknowingly pregnant with my mam. She luckily escaped when those outside broke down a door that her and others were trapped behind, suffering 3rd degree burns and staying in hospital for a few weeks,. Her and my grandfather lost many friends and fought for justice all those years along with everyone else from Northside Dublin who suffered the effects of the complete negligence by those in charge. Her life went on but 48 others tragically lost theirs along with those who suffered the mental effects of what they witnessed, most teenagers. Her opinion has always been that if this happened to people not from a working-class background, Northsiders, that justice would not have had to been fought for and that the incident would never have happened in the first place. Unfortunately, the tragedy is a snapshot of Ireland at the time, complete lack of care by those controlling the country. Those who fought for justice should be celebrated as heroes, never forgetting what was lost that night.
As a Dubliner, I'd like to say you for covering this video. Brought a tear to my eye
I lost relatives in this fire, thank you Simon 🇮🇪
If you see a fire on a neighboring building, do NOT wait to hear sirens. CALL IMMEDIATELY!!! Minutes could be the difference between life and death!!!!
And if there’s already been a call out, they’ll just say that help is already on the way. You are NOT going to get in trouble by calling.
@@SoundShinobiYukiThis! It’s better to call and be told help is on the way, then do nothing on the assumption someone else is already taking care of it.
They were just kids, kids enjoying their lives. That's what strikes me the hardest, they were all younger than I am now. It would obviously be tragic at any age, but most of them had barely started to live their lives.
My mother was meant to meet friends there that night, but she got into a fight with one of the head nurses of the hospital she was working in the hospital laundry. Because people did not turn up for work so she had to do a double. My mother had bad eyesight and in later life became blind. If she had been there that night she would have died. She used to say that she was lucky to be alive, but she said "I am only alive because of the Bitch"
LOL!!!! "I am only alive because of the Bitch"
Hey Simon, you should consider making an episode about the 2013 Kiss Nightclub fire in Brazil, over 240 deaths and over 600 injured. They were traped inside the club on fire having to break the concrete walls to save their lives. It's one of the worst fires in nightclubs in the world and still a very sore topic around here, it's been very hard for the families to get justice and even point out a culprit. One night you go out to have fun with your friends and never comes back, the families tales are heartbreaking.
I used to work in a supermarket, and one of the managers was a survivor of the Stardust fire. One of his eyes was melted shut, and he had no hair on that side of his head.
"This act, like so many other laws, is written in the blood of those for whom it came too late." Well written Aoife. Great script.
Footnote.Christy Moore was sued for Libel and slander for writing that song under Irish libel law by Butterly cost Christy Moore 20 thousand punts at the time and branded him a criminal.
The song can't be played on Irish radio because it's "defamatory" but the families play it at memorial events
I had no idea about this. Fair play to Christy for standing up for justice.
wtf?!? Seriously
Possibly since the second inquest it might be possible to have the defamatory status challenged.
They played it on the radio after they announced the verdict.
The Stardust Fire has always been an extraordinarily significant tragedy (crime) …Ireland was in such dire economic state in those days, we had The Troubles raging, hunger strikes, bombs , shootings, heroin epidemic. Music has always been the “go-to” for escapism in Ireland (like most people) so it was cruel and awful that these young people just wanting a night away from life should meet such an end. RIP.
It´s heartbreaking the imagine these horribly injured young people wandering outside this building, searching for their friends. It´s a testament to their love, and to the state of shock they were in. PEace to them and to their families. Thanks for covering this.
Thank you for highlighting this mate. VERY unknown outside Ireland.
I lived Northside for over a decade. The reaction to this disaster from locals is nothing short of inspirational. The reaction from officials has been disgusting. Love and respect to the Dubs.
Both my parents were meant to be there on that night but ended up not going.
Hit and miss with the Irish pronunciations
Mostly miss tho, Ahern I thought was fairly obvious and Seamus is a stereo typical name
Yeah miss.. An Garda Siochana 😂
also missing the intricacies of how Irish people say sure at the start of a sentence.
good quality video though
@@anoniaino the quality of the video and its level of respect automatically drop when you fail to do a basic double check on pronunciations 🤷♀️
@@Notnoodley Granted Irish is a whore to pronounce and not intuitive to nearly any other languages sensibilities.
How my heart jumped when I saw this title.
I've never known life without this event. Without the struggle for justice. And still we have so so many questions.
Thank you for this. I've heard the story before, but never this in depth. Also, thank you for leaving the names of those who lost their lives up for a respectful amount of time.
I only just took a photo yesterday of the wreaths laid in The Garden of Remembrance to honour each person.
Thank you for covering this. Especially for family members This is in our living memory. A tragedy. Thankfully this year a tiny bit of justice. Im still not sure if its enough. Rest in heaven as angels the people who lost your lifes. And the people who lived. Peace hope strength wherever that is i hope for you and your children and their children ♡
I imagine at the time it imformed bars and discos from locking up doors! & to definitely have fire exits open. I hope lessons were learnt & that must have saved lives!
one of my best friends is irish, and his mam apparently almost went to the stardust that night and didn’t. absolutely terrifying to think you were just lucky, missing a horrible fate by a hair’s breadth
Its shocking how long it took for these poor families to get some sort of justice. it was bittersweet watching the case on the news here in ireland recently
What a horrific tragedy... and what happened afterward, the victims and their families not being properly taken care of, is rage inducing.
I’m Irish . 54. I remember the sense of shock and over the years the very definite sense of how being poor means justice can be delayed or denied
Spot-on, I’m 54 too, man , the 1980’s were grim in Ireland…
I’m sorry you all lived through that, it was horrible, I’d never heard of it before… though I think it’s worldwide if you’re rich you can get away with just about anything while the poor continue to suffer… even to this day
This is one of my worst nightmares. Many years ago I was at a punk show that suddenly started to fill with thick smoke. Thankfully, it was just some idiot who threw a smoke bomb through an open window
My uncle died in this fire, his name was Liam Dunne and he was only 18. Thank you for making this video
So Sorry for your loss 💔 im from Ballymun & i was only 4 when this happened but i remember it 💔
Taoiseach = "Tea-Shuck". Haughey = "Haw-Hee"
A-hern. Seamus = Shay-mus.
Gardaí = Gar-dee
Garda Síochana is pronounced Gard-ah Shee-oh-kawna.
Considering he’s British, it’s MYSTIFYING how many Irish names Simon got wrong.
@FullmetalUA-camr2012 I had to stop commenting, honestly. I can understand mispronouncing Haughey (I believe Simon's in his 30s and wouldn't have been paying much attention to news etc when he was in power) and even Ahern (some people with that surname do stress the A). But Seamus. Darragh. Taoiseach. Gardaí.
@@LauraGrrrr5370 yeah. Never mind the tourism between UK and Ireland. Some of them you’d know from just being the literal names British people have by being the kids of Irish immigrants or Irish immigrants themselves.
And I’m pretty sure the BBC/Sky news frequently use the word “Taoiseach” too. But could be wrong.
A sentence you'll never hear me say: It's only a little fire.
My cousin died in the Stardust. Because this happened in a “working class” area, the fire was not properly investigated. If it had happened on the more affluent south side of Dublin, it would have been another story. The owners of the Stardust actually got compensated for their “loss”.
It's almost as if you were speaking of the Colectiv club fire, here in Bucharest, Halloween night, 2015. 65 people gone. 😢 Stories that just repeat themselves again and again.
It also reminds me of the fire that broke out in the nightclub República Cromañón in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in December 2004, killing 194 people and leaving almost 1,500 injured. The band playing there that night, Callejeros, advertised it as "the traffic flare party," encouraging people to bring flares to the concert. One ignited a shade cloth that was (illegally) covering the ceiling and the club went up in flames. The worst part was that some of the deaths were small children, since there was a sort of "daycare" being run from the women's bathroom.
@@Kat-tr2ig Hadn't even _heard_ of that one, which is pretty appalling in its own right. No doubt the usual litany of corruption, cheap~assery & victim blaming; but surely most culpable here has to be the group... I mean, if that's gonna be your theme, why not just go the whole hog and hold the gig in a fireworks factory?!
Been at Colectiv. Humans never learn, I swear.
Please make a channel for biographies!!! I loved biographics, but didnt realise it wasnt your channel until you werent in it anymore. You did a phenomenal job and they were really interesting!!
I really thought it was considerate and heartful when you listed the victims of this tragedy.
I wasnt alive when this happened in dublin, but i can tell you its still felt even today, alot of families broke down after this, its been a stain on north dublin for far to many years
Thank you for this episode 🙏🏻
I remember watching this as a kid on the news .
Excellent coverage of a tragic story .
Irish man here. I live not too far away from where this happened. Great vid as always, Simon. I watch all your channels voraciously. :D
I'm from the northside of Dublin and while I was 11 when this happened I remember seeing the smoke still rising for a couple of days after. My mother, who worked in Dublin city centre at the time at a restaurant, was driven through Artane as this was unfolding. They didnt understand the enormity of the event until the next morning. With no 24 hour news it was impossible to know. A dark dark day for the people of northside of Dublin....
To this day the lessons that I learned from school directly after this horror are always followed. Always search for the emergency exit when going into cinemas, for example.
This had a profound effect on the ordinary people of Dublin... thanks for doing this.
Have you covered "The Station" nightclub fire in Massachusetts in 2003? The band Great White was playing. You have done so many videos, so I may have missed it!
Never mind the Station how about coconut grove?
Man, I remember that. What a waste of life. 😢
The footage from that is absolutely horrifying. Was shown it as part of my fire warden training a few years ago, and can still remember every scream. Crazy
Thanks for covering this Simon
Excellent episode Simon, thank you for covering this heartbreaking tragedy!
A tragic story very tastefully presented
Thank you, Simon
Sweden had a similar trauma, Gothenburg discothèque fire in 1998. 63 dead, 213 injured. A lot of the deaths was due to emergency exists where blocked (and this was where the fire was started too). The locale they were in had almost 4 times as many people it was approved for, this was also a major contributing factor.
We had something similar in a nightclub in Brazil in 2013. Though the death count was way bigger, over 240 deaths and lots of injured.
As an Irish person and a fan of all of your channels, Simon, thank you for covering this event. The coverage and sentiment was excellent. On a less important note, some of the pronunciations are not great. Irish names and words are tricky but potentially reach out to someone Irish for the correct pronunciation on e.g. Garda Síochána, especially as that's one that may come up again on this channel or the casual criminalist etc.
I came here to write this.
Not a good time to be pronunciation police. Give Simon a break for goodness sake.
"on a less important note" you say about something taking up 80% of the message...
like, really man? pronounciation is what youre taking away from the coverage of a tragic event that many of us are hearing about for the first time?
It’s annoying he’s speaking the same language for most of the words he got wrong
@canin1730 it's the name of the police force of Ireland. A cursory watch of any Irish news report will give you the pronunciation. It's not difficult to find out how to pronounce it.
Thanks Simon for covering this topic.
Thank you handling this with such grace .
Sad loss of life so young heartbreaking
As a firefighter, I have studied many of these fires and negligence always seems to be the cause, whether it be flammable materials, over capacity, poor repairs or even done purposely.
Always know where your fire exits are located whenever in a hotel, club or even restaurant. Even this is no guarantee though if someone has chained and locked those exits.
Can we have the Station Nightclub and Kings Cross fires next, in both cases it was strange to know that even when some people saw fire and smoke they still didn't think to leave to safety.
Another informative video. Thank you.
Glad to see you do a video on this one Simon
My Mum was supposed to go that night but her friend said she was sick. My Mum said she was so annoyed that she couldn't go, until the next day when she found out what happened. I hope you guys go into the Butterlys a bit.
Never thought I'd see this covered. Thank you❤
Loved the video, and I know the written Irish language was basically made to mess with English speakers. But god its still funny to hear Simon butcher saying some Irish words and names
Thank you!
This is an excellent and timely video. It shows that you can fight for 43 years, and still win.
Because ordinary people with no power, stood up to a state which often blocked them and prevented them getting justice.
The reason that the attorney general announced a new inquiry in 2019, is because the families went all over the country, and got 48,000 postcards signed.
I remember going to several protests, and other events to get people to sign these cards.
Up until the 25th anniversary of the stardust fire, I knew very little about the campaign.
However when I heard that Eamon Butterly, was going to open a pub on the site, I decided to help.
The strength and resilience by the parents, brother and sisters aunts and uncles, of those who died, is truly inspiring.
It has been my privilege, to stand with these people. To shake, the hands of people who are actually heroes, and ran in to save their friends, is humbling and moving beyond words.
One of the people who ran back in, at the age of 17, said "I knew that the fire could not burn me as much, as losing my friends will."
Man, there are so many tragic nightclub fire disasters around the world. I remember Kiss Club, in Brazil 2013. Over 200 teenagers were killed.
The Station Nightclub Fire is a horrific one from the early 2000s in the USA. It was recorded on video camera from the moment it started and through the cameramen exiting and the death of 100 people from either the fire, smoke inhalation, or being crushed at the exit of the building.
It's on UA-cam. It's a pretty horrific video but it shows ways to improve fire safety and what went wrong.
My friends band were playing that night, they were devastated, and had no idea it was an illegal club, but they got slammed for it. Horrible time for all.
There’s a massive list of nightclub/discotheque fires on Wikipedia. The cocoanut grove as far back as the 1940’s, the Bluebird hotel, the Whiskey-a-go-go, the Beverly Hills supper club , the Happyland dance club, the Station, the Kiss club…. People who are out for a night of fun almost never check to see if their venue is actually safe (it shouldn’t HAVE to be something people do, but after reading all of those you can’t help but go somewhere and think “How safely and quickly can I get out of here if there was a fire?”. And then when you’re in the dark and several drinks in, that easy staircase out or finding the exit door that you thought was right there turns into a complete nightmare. And club owners always seem to be more complicit than most in endangering their patrons by locking doors and windows shut and not marking the exits.
@@SoundShinobiYuki as an event manager and daughter of a fire captain, I've cancelled gigs on the night for dodgey venues/practices from the staff, like chaining the doors shut after the punters were in, shit like that. Sadly I'm in the minority, and get a fuck ton of grief for it. But I remember how bad the Kiss Club was, and how it destroyed so many people I care about, I couldn't have that shit on my conscience.
@@piratemousie And as someone who works in the entertainment industry along with my husband and spends her weekends in convention centres, clubs, halls, theatres, etc., I’m damn glad to see there’s *someone* out there who stands for safety. I’ve been lucky so far (one evacuation when the smoke alarms tripped due to a fog machine, one small fire that got put out before the fire department even got there) and I’ve left venues that I felt were genuinely unsafe, but it only needs to happen once to change your life forever.
Thank you Simon for covering this event.
I can't watch this it's still one of the saddest things that ever happened in dublin😢
Thank you for covering this story. More Irish stories please
Brilliantly articulated version of tragic loss of innocent victims
Like your video on the Irish famine simon this is very well done
Thank you for covering this awful tragedy with such grace, Simon.
As an Irish person, this was just excellent. You're a true class act Simon.
Thank you so much for covering this. I've just sent it to Jo Glen's sister. I once told her that if Simon Whistler covered it the story would get out.
I meant in the sense of raising awareness. Sorry just woke up.
I was 13 when this happened and attending secondary school at Salesian College Ballinakill about an hour from Dublin. The following week all students were allowed to write about our thoughts on the tragedy. We didnt know then but this was obviously a form of therapy to help us deal with shock of what had just happened.
You're fortunate. I had a fight with my school for having polystyrene ceiling tiles. Their response was that it was irrelevant " because the school has a working fire alarm system and routinely does fire drills"
Never expected this to be covered as an Irishman well done
that song "they never came home" was banned, wasn't it? i'm sure i read that.
So similar to the station night club fire. Wow. Bless them all.
As a Brit living in Dublin for over 20 years (not far from Artane as it happens) I know I have had time to learn the pronunciations but Simon you must be the most British man alive lol! Moanahan was a particularly good one!
On the Irish police incase you do more on Ireland:
Gardai is Gardee as in Ardee collective noun.
Garda or Guard (same as English pronouncation) singular.
AGS is pronounced An Garda She-o-corner (or near enough) but "The Gardai" is fine. The full title translates to The Guardians of the Peace.
The Unforgettable Fire U2 1985.
Thank you.
Thank you Simon. That is all.
Thank you so much for covering this tragedy. So many families were affected.vkudis on your Irish pronunciation too!
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A Concise, essentially accurate and respectful documentary... But in fairness, Simon did make a dog's dinner of the pronunciations! I wouldn't even knock him for it... More or less the equivalent of people saying "Worr~cess~ter~shire" for Worcestershire, "Gluecosster" for Gloucester, "Eedin~burg" for Edinburgh... or "Saint John" for the person's name St.John (pron. 'Sinjonn/Sinjinn') etc...
Well it was fun watching you guys at donut.. will continue to watch that channel AND also watch this channel. You guys do alot of stuff i like so have been watching since i first came across the channel .. wish ya both success on this endeavor apart from donut and occasionally still doing some donut content!!
My god...what an awful tragedy. I can't even fathom the terror that those poor people must've felt.
This reminds me so much of The Station Fire in Rhode Island.
Thank you for your respect.
Thank you
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. as an irishman.. i appriciate this video very much ..
irish names are not your forte ..
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.. great show though.
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That was a great episode. New information for me as an american. Thank you
This was a shocking cover up because the owner of the venue flouted health & safety laws, the owner was a businessman who was well connected with the governing political party.
Land of the brown envelope
@@Dilydaydream1as in bribes, I assume? That's depressing
@@douglasbillington8521 yes money talks in politics. At the time of stardust fire its local politican was Charles Haughey who happened to be taoiseach or prime minister. He was so corrupt he owned an island off the kerry coast. Totally in plain sight. The tribunal had his long term mistresses husband judge keane heading it. Like he would have been impartial - my arse! I was 10 yrs old. I lived on the southside equivalent working class area. A classmates sister was a survivor. Her shoes melted into her feet. She was one of the lucky ones........ even back then i knew as a child working classes meant nothing to our government and all these years later they still dont
This reminds to a similar cade on Argentina...The cromagnon dance club Fire. After it there was a long court case that took almost ten years
In film school we had a module on dramatising factual events and we watched the RTE mini series Stardust as part of it and it was one of the best, but most upsetting things I’ve ever watched. I had to leave the room to catch my breath I was so affected by it. Deeply upsetting but worth the watch if anyone is interested in how to create sensitive and realistic depictions of tragedy.
This episode hit like a punch in the guts, i was aware of the Stardust fire but not in this much detail. Thank you team for your great work!
My mom remembers hearing this on the news and couldn't believe how bad it was
I remember this happening & i was only a little kid 💔💚💔
I'm sorry to say you're Irish name and places pronunciation could use some work, but it is a hard one to get right. Great summary of the tragic story though.
i lived very close to this place but it happened before i was born. i know all about it and the horrer that incured. thank you simon for covering this as the larger area is still scared by this event.
Thanks Simon, the whole event was swept under the carpet by politicians for years
Glad your covering this, devastated that it happened.
I was listening to the radio the night before I went to bed was playing Disco Inferno and woke up to the news of Stardust fire.
JC that’s horrific 😢 I’m speechless.
I'll have to back to this one another time Simon, as a Dub, it's a very hard story to listen to, I just can't get past that 7min mark tonight, but thank you, for what I think will be excellent coverage of this awful tragedy
Caller from Dublin: Simon, I'm a big fan, so please take this in good faith. You managed to get every single Irish word and name wrong (without exception). Of course Irish people are going to tune into this one and I assume it it monetised. It would not be difficult at all to have a transliteration on the script. Had the subject been lighter and less close to home I would have laughed this off - but Artane is not that far from me and I have friends who lost friends in the Stardust. Thanks.
Argh this is awful 😢 I can't think of a worst way to go. Infuriating to think how avoidable this was and the fact that any compensation was so hard to fight for.
There was also The Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island during the Whitesnake concert. It started when they set off pyrotechnics INSIDE the building that was "insulted" with flammable packing foam. It killed 100 and injured over 200.
On a lighter note I love Simon trying to pronounce Irish names
I grew up in Artane. As did my dad before me. He was meant to go to the Star Dust that night but got a sinking feeling he couldn't understand. He told his friend who said he'd actually had the same feeling so they stayed home. Meanwhile my wife's parents who were from Beaumont (the next area over) were also planning on going. Her dad was in the queue to get in when his brother called to him from his car asking him to mind his niece and nephew for him. He left the queue to mind the kids. My now mother in law was turned away for having too much to drink and went home to sober up. I'm a father myself now and it's crazy to think how different things could be if our parents had gotten in that night. Maybe I wouldn't be here, maybe my wife wouldn't but if even one of them had gotten in that night and the worst had happened my son certainly wouldn't be. I only point it out because we were the lucky ones. The victims were all young people with their whole lives ahead of them. They should have gotten to have the same life experiences of kids and grandchildren (if they wanted them) that the members of my family got to have. Their futures were taken away from them and their families were left devastated. RIP 48