Elgato Stream Deck + Does what BEA-CAN'T
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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Elgato just released a new Stream Deck, the Stream Deck+ how does it hold up compared to the growing competition? Here's my Elgato Stream Deck+ Review (Stream Deck Plus Review).
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TIMECODES:
00:00 They're doing it again...
00:43 What IS a Stream Deck?
01:45 The concept evolution
02:25 DIALS!
03:00 Wave Link finally UNLOCKED (kinda)
04:02 A GOOD touch bar?
05:26 RIP BEACN Mix Create...
05:39 Dials have potential yet unfulfilled
06:06 Hotkeys on Dials!
06:55 Dial Stacks are MAGICAL
07:30 Physical disappointment
10:34 Pricing & Competition
11:22 DON'T BUY THIS UNTIL YOU TRY THESE
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Yes being able to adjust the stepping amounts of the dials would be cool - Our packs do offer fine and coarse controls though. Clck the dial and you can swap between them.
Yes! I scripted this before realizing that, but it's certainly appreciated!
Thanks for mentioning us ❤, we are constantly developing new features and improving our software!
Make your app available to more latin american countries, please 🙏 (Play Store)
The fact that you can use the Wave Link software with this device is a great move.
If you have a USB mic already and wanted to use Wave Link, your only option was to buy a Wave XLR, now this makes things way better since you get a stream deck + a way to get submixes and plugins for your mic in one software.
Now I'm still waiting for Elgato to release a true Go XLR competitor since the Wave XLR doesn't have enough IO so I still need to use my Yamaha AG06 to plug in my piano and my headset mic.
Yes, this is the review I have been waiting for since the announcement dropped.
Great review EposVox, I think you rasied many good points including re the need for a 1/4 40 mount point. I also wish the stream deck had maybe two non-screen small buttons below or above each knob . Mute/solo, or knob resolution or some other things that dont need a big button . I think i will buy this device
An awesome video as per usual, Adam! 😄👍👍
Cheers to you, my man! 🥃🥃
This device has been great to use with MacOS, makes adjusting different applications volumes on the fly so much easier
I already invested in a decent USB microphone before wave link happened, and I've been pining for that software because all the audio tests sound SO GOOD on the wave 3 and wave XLR. This looks like it'd be my ticket to unlocking that software (added bonus I don't already have a stream deck yet)
Elgato said that currently a competitor to the GoXLR/Rodecaster is not in the works but with all the feedback they have been receiving with people hoping for that, I think they might eventually do it. Just need to keep waiting only a matter of time
at least 4 dials and 4 sliders would be quite amazing
Still waiting lol
@@Mike-pd6np Same here brother. Might be a while, I got a SD+ for the time being. GoXLR has shit the bed so that's no longer in the picture.
I thought of purchasing the beacn mix create but omg this thing just KILLED it
Moving elements horizontally and vertically, zooming the elements, color adjustments by adjusting saturation, hue, brightness, etc... Omg those dials are to die for 😭
Looking forward to finally getting mine soon. All I wanted was a Stream Deck that had programmable knobs to control Wave Link. While I was hoping they'd release a full-fledged Wave XLR Pro with a full I/O in the back, this is a good product to replace my Stream Deck XL which I was using for lighting and Link controls.
I've already seen videos on this, but I wanted to click through just to tell you that I appreciate the Sega Does What Nintendon't title
Question!
If you already have a soundboard software (such as Voicemeeter) on your computer, is it wise to get rid of it to get better use of the audio dials on something like this newer Streamdeck+,
or can you set controls to work on the audio programs on top of what the streamdeck+ can do when it operates on its own?
I wouldn't mind a version of this with sliders honestly. Oh yeah and an XLR port
This is what I thought we were getting smh
Same but they said today they aren't doing that because they don't want to combine products and make a full mixer like a GoXLR or Rodecaster, unfortunate but with this feedback they are getting I think they will make one in the future, we keep waiting
@@frankmags They'd be effectively killing the Wave XLR which has only been out for like a year and a half
@@shortanimationz Yeah, i get it. I just convinced myself that we were getting ElGato's version of the GoXLR and now I'm disappointed lol
@@frankmags tbh this device is even better this way u can literally use any xlr interface you want and get all the utility of using the wave software.....pairing it with my wave xlr is gunna be great and still like $40 cheaper than a go xlr
About the Wave XLR: I noticed that they make you do a lot of mandatory processing in VSTs on the CPU which adds latency, whereas the GoXLR always proudly said that their chip was strong enough to do the processing in the box for low latency. A latency test of the two platforms under common circumstances would be interesting. Maybe the Wave XLR is just a dummy and runs 2x slower than GoXLR once you add EQ, compression, gate, etc...
On any modern hardware, VST latency is going to be negligible and virtually every webcam and capture device on the market is going to be slower than the VST processed audio anyway so it doesn’t have an impact on syncing.
It can be an issue, but it’s rare
I have the beacn mix create, While at first it was super buggy and wouldnt save my profile i must say after a few updates and added feature im love my beacn, However I wouldnt mind getting one of these because I see the potential to use the knobs for things outside of audio i know in the begining it may not have support for every program but imagine use this as a time scroll or audio scroll in music or video editing software or being used for other programs.
Wait, so... you can remove the stand so you can lay it flat... but it looks like the plug come out of the back at a 90 degree angle. So how would that allow it to lay flat?
So thoughts on how it compares to the LoupeDeck Live? Feels like they made a Live- in some cases.
This new stream deck on it's own is a beacn killer. I'm replacing all of my beacn equipment for this and a wave XLR
I like this seems like a good idea now anybody could use any XLR interface with this and get all the access to the wave link software... This makes the barrier of entry Much lower to get a respectable XLR interface
hello, a question, on the video cards other than the encoders you bring in the videos (QSV, NVENC, AMD) is there anything that may be of interest to those who only watch the videos? to have a better quality (bitrate, decompression etc...)
I used to work for Circuit City's Firedog services so the red shirt was really throwback for me
How are you able to get the Volume Controller plug in to work on your Mac? I've been trying to figure out a work around for weeks.
There was some static sound coming from the left ear at 9:14 (goes on for a few minute or two) otherwise great video
Definitely isn’t present in the edit or export. Dunno, not showing up on my end
@@EposVox That's really strange. Appreciate the reply
Could be a UA-cam thing. Who knows. UA-cam audio been weird lately
@@EposVox I can hear it when I play back through chrome and through android UA-cam app... May be it is UA-cam compression issue?
Huh. Guess so - is it the music? Are you hearing the music as static?
I used resolve’s new ai dialog leveler in these videos and it isn’t perfect yet so could be a hiccup with that
really digging the wall of TVs in the back
Awesome & Thanks :)
Really neat piece of hardware. I have an XL. Hopefully they’ll release a slightly bigger model to compare to it. Getting this to pair with my XL is overkill, while replacing my XL with this is too restrictive. Decisions decisions. Lol
Its still wild to me that they don't have mounting options on these things when they have their whole "multi mount" system
@EposVox I don't know if you heard it or not, but there is quite a bit of mic scratchy noise throughout the video. Specifically around the 10:13 mark.
Will the stream deck lower my sound quality? I bought the go xlr mini a few years ago, but to control my sound I had to use the internal DAC. Sadly this was way worse than my current one, so I experienced a DRASTIC drop in soundquality, since I use a high-end audio system. So I have only been using my goxlr to control my microphone, but having sliders to control different sound levels would be a nice quality of life improvement.
Thank you for always being so objective!
since I have a USB mic (the lovely Revelator Dynamic) and only use the goxlr mini for having sliders and virtual audio devices for routing and adjusting with physical controls, and with the wave link software enabled on this, I am considering replacing the goxlr mini and regular stream deck with this as an all-in-one solution. it just sounds like from what I'm seeing in reviews to be the best value. cheaper than both devices (even on sale) and less desk space in an already cluttered setup.
Great & informative vid as usual, but is it just me, or there's a bit of audio clipping, around 10:10?
So I wanted to buy the Motu M2. Would I be able to use to control it better? Say program a mute button that the M2 doesn't have? I wanted to dip my toes into streaming, and I hate my GoXLR Mini so I need a new interface. I could try the Vocaster, but I'm worried about the headphone amp. My Idea was the M2, and then plopping the Stream Deck + on top of it to give me extra functionality.
This is really cool and I'd be happy to get it. BTW, I heard some odd static during this video. Not sure you heard it yourself too or not.
I heard it too, came to the comments to make sure it wasn't just windows being weird on my side. Thanks for leaving a comment!
Can we get a revisit on the Live Gamer Nexus from Avermedia if you still have one?
Plenty of updates have happened since your review.
They have said that the faceplates are not a thing on the SD+ because development on that was started in 2019, this was pre-Stream Deck MK2 with swappable face plates.
The second reason is even if they wanted to, it wouldn't make sense because of the LCD touch screen which wouldn't work with a swappable face plate, dials too but that could be worked around, the LCD screen however could not, at least not easily.
Also currently Elgato has no plans for a SD+ Mk2, or Pro, or XL or anything like that at the time of writing. However it's possible that after seeing feedback, that might be worked on soon
Dials are a nonissue as they’re removable. Screen could be doable because it has its own bezel so the plastic faceplate should theoretically just fit around it
@@EposVox That's what I meant for dials, it's possible but just a small challenge.
As for the screen, my words are directly from the product manager at Elgato, Steggy, he said it on stream earlier today and that was why they didn't/couldn't do it just yet anyways
Can't wait for the SDK to unlock using the color wheels and curves, in DaVinci Resolve.
If this included an xlr input, I would have jumped on this. I love my goxlr, but it’s a huge desk hog lol
Hi, May I ask how to use the wave link software using stream deck plus and other brand of audio interface. I'm a bit confused about this. Thank you
I personally think the elgato streamdeck app also is a great starter option if you happen to have old tablet or phone lying around. Yes sure the app has annual fee but it is not much! And it handles like a normal streamdeck would!
I used it for almost 2 years before buying a sd+
I'm in a music setup and I want to be able to hold mouse left on any slider/knob, and then use the Elgato knob to move the mouse cursor, either in circles or straight lines. And also want to control the mouse roller with the Elgato. Is it possible?
There's some audio issues, in a tiny few spots here, around 9:13, and a few other places. :)
Nice video though
How well does the wave software work if I'm using a rodecaster pro
sadly the biggest thing that this cant do that the beacn create does is lets me have a button for stream audio mute and my audio mute. which like you said elgato doesnt let you do. also beacn lets you press and hold on a knob to switch your default audio device like between headphones and surround speakers so when not streaming i dont have to use headphones then if i jump in discord just hold a knob and it switches to headphones.
Any luck pairing this with the presonus io24?
Can it separate audio on a M1 macbook pro?
I'm going to try a stiff tablet stand after getting the bottom stand off. Could be a cheap solution.
I have a PC Panel and a Gen 1 Streamdeck, and that gets a similar amount of functionality to this, so I'm not really interested in getting right now.
BUT if they ever make a larger version with more inputs and better fit and finish, that'd be crazy tempting
Same
They should definitely make a competitor to GoXLR and Rodecaster, would be infinitely better than any option out there because you know it would be full size, customizable, up to date, and have amazing software
I don't think i will ever get a stream deck. I wanted one when it released but after using Touch Portal I can't see myself using a stream deck anymore. the only elgato gear i think I will use is the capture card unless I can find a better option.
what happened to the microphone audio in the video? The volume changes between the channels sometimes, like around 4:50
Resolve’s new ai volume leveler is buggy apparently
That title is GENIUS😂😂😂
Seems big :S Thanks for a great video! Love the production you do!
Just wanted to pop in to tell you that title is amazing.
;)
Thanks for that shout out my friend!
does it work with steelseries sonar
First the Can’tlink & now the beacan’t!! You are getting good at this 🤣
I'm interested in knowing if Wave Link HAS to be activated once you start using the streamdeck. I own a Beacn mic and while Wave link is great, I'll lose the adaptive suppression and features of the Beacn app if wave link has to control my mic. I'd planning on changing from the mix create to this, which will clear space on my desk by having two devices in one basically. Thank you for the review!
You don’t have to use Wave Link no
@@EposVox That's great to know, thank you so much
If this had XLR hook up I'd get one
It looks ace!
I'm looking for it in Amazon even using the link provided by you and it doesn't show it to me any body alse having the same issue?
Looks like it’s not up yet
Does wavelink virtual audio support 5.1, 7.1 and dolby atmos theater, or just stereo only?
Stereo
@@EposVox funny how things like this and beacn are made for audio routing, yet completely ignore a basic audio feature. People do use actual speakers and not headphones 24/7 🙁 i guess i will still be using voicemeeter...
Hey man, I'm new to all this and I just bought the stream deck +, however, I was looking at getting the Beacn mix and create, would that be a complete redundant purchase? And will the stream deck + be able to do everything the mix and create could do?
I am wanting to start streaming and I have a desktop PC with an RTX3080ti and an ultrawide 1600p monitor, but I also do have a Razer Blade 15 laptop and thought it might be a good idea to run a duel setup that way my laptop is responsible for streaming and I just use the Razer ripsaw capture card that way I still get the full visual experience as if I weren't streaming. Sorry if I don't make sense hahaa, this is so new to me but I now have a permanent spinal injury and I have been stuck at home in my chair for a few years so thought about doing this.
Yep! With SD+ and Wave Link, the mix create would be completely redundant and only add complications
@@EposVox awesome! Thanks heaps for getting back to me so quickly! Trying to buy all I need with the black friday sales haha.
Would you recommend me running a single PC setup "i9 9900kf with an rtx3080ti 38" 1600p monitor" or would running a duel PC setup with a capture card be better off for me still having the best gaming experience at 1600p with as much fps as usual and offloading the OBS streaming onto my laptop with a capture card? And having chat etc on the laptop screen
The last thing is mics, either looking at SM7B or the Beacn mic, I would like to be able to use the mic for the audience but also would like to be able to use it for in game chat with side tone so I can hear myself with no delay.
Really sorry for the questions, please forgibb
10:15 who else restarted their Voicemeter?
how can I find camera hub plugin?
Looks very cool but for my personal needs I'll stick with my original stream deck 1.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh my creative ways to basically replicate this functionality is drying up before my eyessss lol. That aside...awesome product. I was recently asked "how can the stream deck get better?" and I said "knobs or faders" then literally bam...this releases. If I were asked again now...id say maybe more buttons and turning it into a full on XLR interface. Though I can see that being problematic for Elgato as that could cannibalize sales of other products. But a halo "Stream Deck Wave XLR+" product that is what the GoXLR and Avermedia Nexus should have been...a tempting idea. Also...RIP Loupedeck.
streamer bot has a free online deck that you can use on any device connected to the internet! Similar to touch portal... but free! No dials though. Maybe one day!
Wait... I get that the stand is removable, but who was the genius who thought a USB-C port aiming down into the desk without that stand was a good idea?
I wanted to like Stream Deck and got the original 15 key. I just don't like how unreliable the function of it has been for the price I paid. It never just turned on with the PC and worked. Independent programmer apps you mention need reloading all the time. Now the update to include the XL changed the software to a new in-app store. I'm back to redoing all my buttons for my games because text and the new icons which appeared are unreadable together. I think you're right, the designers are not trained in ergonomics and seem to not listen to how their invention is being used.
I would love this, but 8 buttons is eh.
If they did this with 12, or even 16 buttons and the 4 dials I would instantly grab it
I have a wave XLR and a Stream Deck and I have still not figured out how to play system sounds thru my voice channel on Discord.
I'm too dumb for these kinds of products.
Hmmm time for me to make a stream guides tutorial (though that isn’t REALLY a feature of the wave xlr like the GoXLR but it can be done)
@@EposVox I would watch that in a heartbeat.
If Elgato doesn't support routing an audio device to your mic input, you would need to create your own virtual device X and route both your mic and your audio player to X and then set X as your mic in discord
I just bought the stream deck xl 3 weeks ago... My timing is so bad..
Please Elgato just give us a routing table like the BEACN mix create, it’ll make our life much easier.
What is the white device at the cover image ?
BEACN Mix Create
It is mixer?
Is there any real point to the goxlr and xlr mics anymore?
It seems that usb mics are either close to or on par with xlr mic quality and feature rich devices like this make the goxlr obsolete.
GoXLR? No absolutely not.
XLR mics? Plenty of reasons - but if you’re just a streamer looking for a simple solution, nah plenty of nice usb options that will last your whole career
@@EposVox Could you explain what an alternative is for the goxlr if I'm using an xlr mic?
If I'm buying the stream deck plus + wave link (xlr + headphones), at that price point I might as well keep using the Goxlr since it's an all in one thing.
Or can I input my xlr + headphones into my scarlet 2i2 and then put that into stream deck plus? Or does the stream deck is able to control that seperately?
I like that they did *not* put any audio interface capabilities to this, and just stick to buttons and now dials with displays. Separation of concerns, allowing for using other devices for that, off-desk.
Buy it to control stuff in my daw
Here's an idea.. OBS to support midi mapping to mappable controllers.. WIN.
Ive been hoping for dials on a streamdeck for years, this is great news !
Mrgregles made an Etcha Sketch with this
Sick
Can we get those photoshop templates?? Thank you
They’re from SlideShowFX - I linked their site in description
@@EposVox thank you! ! !
Is it just me or are there some serious audio issues in this video like crackling audio at for example 10:15 ???
New ai dialog leveler in resolve clearly needs some work
What's the site for the mounts?
Linked in description
@@EposVox alright, ill look again. Thanks.
Stream Deck +XL will be next
It looks amazing but the mushy buttons are just a huge dissapointment to me... especially as a huge keyboard nerd. The software is simply unmatched right now. Though I think I can wait.
A StreamDeck with knobs it has the juice!
thanks for the review. it looks like beta edition, i will be waiting on the more polished version with more keys hopefully 32keys with the dials on side and vertical bar on the other side or horizontal on top.
Definitely not a beta lmao
@@EposVox bro it does not look as polished as other elgato products or other products like this one. it honestly looks like telephone from 1990s.
??? It’s just as polished lmao
@@EposVox Bruh. compare the actual look vs the razer one. I am not shi**ing on the product or your review. most of my gear is from corsair and elgato.
I have the Loupedeck Live - which Razer simply put their logo on. Loupedeck Live has zero tactile feedback on the buttons, the angle is atrocious, the screen layout makes no sense. It has 2 more dials. And far far less integration/software support. It’s not more polished.
It's nice, but... I don't think this is a necessary device to streamers... More important to me would be a capture card with finally HDMI 2.1 ports.
A capture card for niche formats that have not a ton of market saturation yet that if rushed to market would be absurdly expensive
Versus
An incredibly handy stream controller and audio controller that both improves your day to day workflow and can have immediate production value scaling on your streams
@@EposVox I think that for a device that encompasses several functions in a beginner streamer setup it is an excellent product, but we have all these features on other hardware that are certainly already used by more veteran streamers. The quote about a capture card with HDMI 2.1, well I think of the XSX and PS5, which in my thinking, "lose" in not being able to "pass" all their power to our TVs while "stuck" on capture cards 2.0. Great review, as always anyway 👊🏻
I know its elgato's own product but feels kinda like theyre trying to take some things from the rode procaster 2 and loupedeck.
I mean, yes, competition is going to compete lol
Would love an XL version with a tripod screw so I could mount it on a magic arm.
Damn Elgato's been called the Apple of Streaming for the past several years but are we actually the Sega Genesis of Streaming?
hahahahaha
Hey, there's also OBS Blade on tablets and phones for stream control. That's what I use personally, and it's been good for basic scene switching and changing volume levels/turning sources on and off. It's a little clunky, but it's free.
Bummer that the new Volume Controller plugin is not Mac compatible 😫
Will use your link to buy
There is a new volume manager thing for Mac at least
@@EposVox volume manager? Added to new stream deck software? I’ll have to check for that. I’ve been away from my setup for few days so I might have missed an update.
Is it just me or wouldn’t it be better to have a encoder interface separately and have many more?
Because with this you have less shortcuts and you only 4 encoders… just seems like it’s not really replacing anything being a massively cut down version of everything.
If money isn’t a thing I would maybe have this in the middle with my main functions at hand, but would still need a proper stream deck and a fader or encoder interface to actually be able to be productive…
Or is this a all in one device for very simple setups?
Someone that streams doing makeup or something
I mean, you have fewer face buttons but you have no less access to actions. Touch panel makes it easier than ever to swipe between pages so I actually find pages useful for the first time. I have tons of buttons but multi actions, offloading some to dials, and pages/folders mean I don’t have trouble using them.
Just recently received my pre-ordered Loupedeck Live S and after playing with it couldn't help but think a display bar section would be nice. Looks like Elgato thought so too :P
Regarding mounting options for this, yeah...I feel like anything/everything AV related should have a couple random 1/4-20 sockets in'em because why not? But given that this unit at least has those two screws already there for the included base I think you could probably use them to attach a SmallRig or Ansso cheese plate/bar pretty securely, and from there most any camera accessory. Might need some longer thread compatible screwsthan the original ones and a couple washers but it should work...
hello, I had asked something watching your previous videos on gpu, I would be grateful if you could answer, I need help choosing the gpu: you only talked about encoders and not decoders, but what is it useful for the average user (no content creation and in addition to rasterization) on the gpu? Intel has great encoders for content-creation, but are the decoders equally better than Nvidia's?
I can finally retire my Korg Nanokontrol 2 paired with Voicemeeter. Thanks, ELGATO!