I drop my electronics off at a nearby Household Hazardous Waste. They have different areas there for Cardboard/paper, fluorescent bulbs, electronics, rechargeable batteries, paint, auto fluids, etc.
I use my phone and electronics until they are completely unusable. It's harder to reprogram and update a phone's software than it is to buy a new one but honestly I prefer it. I get attached to my devices and I refuse to give it up without a very good reason. There is a culture of fast consumption of goods that needs to be addressed on all levels; from fashion to electronics. Get attached to your things, buy only if you have to and treat it with respect.
Agreed. Then I often buy refurbished for my "new" device. I also enjoy the feeling of making something from very little or basic resources, or from junk/scraps, so I enjoy salvaging parts from old desktops and the like in order to piece together a working one!
I agree on half of what you said, not because I don't believe you, but because I'm reading only half as my screen is cracked but functional so I keep using my phone instead of getting a new one!
The burning question in my mind now is, why is there so much e-waste? why do we let companies get away with purposefully outdating or sabotaging their own equipment for sales? (I'm talking iPhones and other smartphones, printers and more importantly ink cartridges, etc?) we're continuously making cheaper quality products for more profit and creating a bigger problem for someone else to take care of. I understand regular wear and tear, but when you take special care of something only for a "software update" or incompatibility to make it useless after 2 years...
Lobbyists and politicians ensure the costs (negative impacts) of doing business get past on to the rest of us, while the profits go to the big wigs, shareholders and donors who in turn pay off the lobbyist and politician. Wash, rinse, repeat. Tires get a recycling fee tacked on when you purchase them and when they are used up you have to pay a disposal /recycling fee... and 80% of the time they are just burned.
Shipping this stuff off is just moving the problem. If there was much more development and focus on recycling, it might even become very profitable industry. This needs to apply at every level of industry so this idea is part of the design and manufacturing.
The problem is it isn't profitable and doesn't look like it will be anytime in the near future, hence why it's rapidly becoming such an absurdly gigantic problem. I don't know what the solution is, but I can agree it definitely isn't to just ship it somewhere else...
Another way to recycle is to sell or gift out used but usable stuff. F.ex. Instead of throwing out your old console, your old phone or your old desktop, try and see if you can find someone who will take it off of your hands, for money or otherwise. Heck if you're throwing it out, a simple add saying "free phone" would easily pass it over
@@franciscos.2301 Did you watch the whole video? The federal prosecutor at the very end (@9:28) states that the owners of Total Reclaim took home almost $8 million each over the course of time that they were committing fraud (7 years according to a Seattle Times article). If they had properly recycled the components it would have cost approximately $2.5 million total and each would have still made $6.5 million each. $6.5 million over 7 years is ~$930,000 a year. Seems plenty profitable to me.
It is profitable, I work for a Chinese company doing refurbishment of computers take in for free and sell it and ship the warehouse rent was tax deductible making it essentially free and mostly profits. The refuse was ship to China where they had a manufacturing plant they were able to melt the plastics and reuse it.
@Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd here we go again... Why didn't any president? Why didn't any president do anything for anyone? In the end, we continue to use plastic grocery bags, and one time use water bottles, and the list goes on and on.
"It would have cost about $2.5 million for them to do this properly. So perhaps instead of each of them making $8 million, they would have made $6.5 million each." A story of unbridled greed, sadly repeated so often.
The fact is its not as profitable as many think especially if ur just a collector.. About 80% of ewaste has no to little recycle value.. It cost more to break the material down that what u can retrieve from it.
Not just Western, I'm sure you get Asian and other wastes. More people live in Africa and Asia and hence more e-waste will come from there. This isn't just a "western" problem, it's a global problem.
@Northman there is a quite decent amount of precious and rare earth material to be salvaged Unfortunately what u get out off doesn't pay for the recycling
Mercury in its poisonous elemental form is only found in LCDs backlit with fluorescent lightbulbs. LED backlit LCDs don't have the problem with mercury. Still better to get rid of the waste in proper ways.
Been a scrapper for a little over a year, I must have saved 15 desktop PC's, laptops and tvs from landfills. Most of the PC's work and usually have tonnes of music on them.
I just spent the last week trying to repair 3 computers. One has a bad power supply and it is a Dell server that needs a specific replacement. The other freezes during OS splash screen. I can't even load anything from the CD rom before it freezes. The other the mobo is just bad and won't power on. I stripped everything else I could use out of them and taking them to be recycled... somewhere... where? They never told me how to find a responsible recycling company.
It absolutely breaks my heart to see electronics, the finest mastery of technology we have so far produced, mistreated and discarded so easily, like a piece of rotten food. I dont recycle mine lightly.
There is you on one hand ....and on the other are electronic companies that force feed the gullible a new model of TV, computer, phone every 15 months... Or less. Some people can't feed their family properly or pay other bills on time... but they have to have the latest phone or ...what will their friends think!!!!
I use to fix and part out stuff and if it was truly worthless I would smash them then send them out for proper recycling. It was amazing what I would find on the curbside
And yet it is one of the surest ways to save it the only problem is finding the way that you can make saving the world viable. Like it or not this is basic human nature at work and it's a lot easier to use it then to try and futilely stop it.
The bad recyclers are a problem but what about the big companies like Apple that produce all this waste but are not held responsible for the recycling???? How about laws that mandate a user can drop off their old iPhone to an Apple shop and Apple will make sure it is recycled properly???
Stewie: True... but to make phone thinner and thinner...the manufacturers are using glue to put the phone together instead of screws. It is hard and costly to separate the different types of metal now.
Putting something away doesn't mean you are dealing with it (I do keep my old electronics too). Sooner or latter they MUST be recycled in the right manner.
That is a fabulous idea. Apple does have a buy back program where they give you a few bucks for your old computer IF you buy a new one. Trouble is...do we know what they do with them??? Some maybe refurbished .... but after looking at this video I don't think anyone could keep up so that stuff doesn't go to ewaste.
That math would be if there is only one owner. He said doing it right would cost about 2.5mil (total I’m assuming, not 2.5mil per owner) and each owner made a little less than 8mil. How many owners were there? Lets say 2. If each owner, making less than 8 mil (lets say 7.8mil) gives up 1.3mil, they each make 6.5mil and have 2.6mil to spend on actually recycling things properly.
skankhunt 42 As the price of manufacturing falls, the price of singular repairs does not and can't. A TV factory has specialized test equipment and access to custom parts that they can amortize over 100's of thousands of units where as a local TV shop might see a few dozen of a particular type. Also, is anyone going to spend $ 100 on a $ 200 TV and wait a few weeks for parts to arrive?
2:38 "So it still looks like a normal... Piece of electronic." So confident.... Yeah a green board loosely shoved next to a blue board. I Feel like he really worked hard for those rubber gloves.
i already tell my all neighbours i will fix your electronics like phone, tv, BT speakers printers. just don't throw it away or sell it to scrappers.... but most of them sell it to scrapers but when some of them ask me to repair smartphone, i fix it for free but they still give me some money and it is very satisfying 😃👍 I am from India and i just want to say that everyone should try to fix their own things and if you still dont need it just give it away to someone who would like to fix or reuse it
We should learn a lesson from this video and that is "use your product a little longer then throwing it away for some shiny new thing". What you guy's say, huh?
But that would hurt hipsters who "need" to always have a new iPhone and prefer complaining about goverment not caring for enviroment than doing something actualy something useful themselfs.
At the bare minimum, just save your dead electronics in storage for now. I have an old laptop and an iPhone that haven’t worked for at least 3 years, yet I can’t bring myself to throw them away. It was purely sentimental value at first, but now I feel that this is another good reason. Meanwhile I’m typing this on an iPhone 8, and have zero plans to upgrade anytime soon.
@Dawid,@Alex siemers. INDEED IT IS TRUE you see those guys will always be there. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. So let's start by ourselves and by the way I'm using a 2017 VIVO phone cause in INDIA YOU CANT afford a APPLE product. Best of luck.
Imagine an AI capable of recognizing some devices, screws, chips... and taking the screws, unsoldering the chips, and classifying everything automatically
@@thefirstsin Electroplating is the depositing of gold, not the removal. You are thinking of reverse electroplate and it is not the preferred method as it is slow and only works with certain base metals. Besides, there are many, many ways to safely and effectively recover gold including incineration, leaching and acidic dissolution.
If electronics / computers were easy to fix and/or upgrade, I think we would see less waste. And if LCD manufacturers did not use mercury in the CCFL tubes back in the day we wouldn’t have mercury to deal with in the first place. In Silicon Valley all the major semiconductor companies that had manufacturing activities left behind a big toxic waste, hence the absurd number of superfund sites here. All the people who knew and who’s made tons of money should be sued by the cities, counties, states, and the federal government. Not the companies but the people who ran them. And the community service hours, hopefully in the tens of thousands of hours, should be spent decontaminating soil, water, air, and recycling all the poisonous e-waste they have generated.
I thought so too, but I believe he's taking the cumulative sum of both the owner's to do this math. 16 million between 2 people, 2.5 million to do it right, 13.5 million left for profit between 2 owners, 6.75 million each. His math is still not right (lol), but makes more sense.
The math checks out. He didn’t say 8 million between the two of them. He said ALMOST 8 million each. Which means it’s ALMOST 16 million in totality. Not exactly 8 mill per person. It could be 2.5 mill off maybe 15.7mill combined or something along those lines
I like electronic i like to take things apart I often dumpster dive for old electronics Mostly computers I feel really bad for the electronics that end up in landfills We can fix them We need to refurbish more
Conclusion : It might be the best to not recycle electronic waste since landfill are well reglemented : they colect all the fluid, it's not exported far away, and does not cause harm to the people in china who are sorting the wastes.
I believe paper and cardboard recycling is pretty efficient. Most new stuff is made of ~40% recycled material. And 70% of cardboard used makes it back for recycling. Mostly because companies have systems to ensure most of what they use gets recycled. Consumers dont care nearly as much about where they throw things.
@@breadman32398 my question was aimed at ewaste recycling at scale. This "conspiracy" group seems to focus on shady recyclers, which makes it seem like there's a better alternative. However the one example they provided was a small scale company that only processes a the beginning stages, not the complete lifecycle. Ewaste is a serious problem, but so are "whistle blower" groups at solving the core recycling issue.
@@Jonedcc ah, true. I imagine fully recycling waste start to finish is next to impossible considering all the different components, materials, and types.
Steel and iron, copper, aluminium, and glass. Also, asphalt... used to pave roads, sidewalks, runways, and lots... ironically made from crude oil (and crushed rocks).
I hate when people talk like the narrator. It sounds like they just got done talking for 24 hours straight then decided it was a good idea to voice record.
This is extremely frustrating to watch as someone who is almost fanatical about recycling. What I think should also be a takeaway of this video is that we as consumers can be way more efficient as well. Avoid getting that new product until your old one is actually broken. If you double its lifetime you can roughly say that you cut the waste you generated in half. Increase its lifespan just 5 or 10% longer than what you initially planned, and everyone followed suit, then that would already mean thousands of tons of waste saved.
"The US has never ratified the treaty" Of course they haven't! This is a country that promotes individualism over collectivism! The average American isn't incentivized to care enough about stuff that affects the rest of the world
A great way to boost profit if you recycle locally would be to sell valuables online. I see a lot of recyclers who receive desirable vintage computers and list them on ebay with decent turnover rates. There's more money to be made and another classic machine gets saved.
You do realise this has nothing to do with the Free Market argument? A state-owned recycling company wouldn't necessarily be better. The institutions' oversight has to be improved to enforce existing regulation better and internationally existing standards have to be ratified and implemented. The Free Market argument does not mean that everything is perfect if you just leave it alone, it refers to price mechanisms, government meddling in an economy and economic efficiency. It still requires a regulatory framework and institutions around it to function properly
yeah this video is misleading at best and slanderous at worst. Most large companies are already recycling responsibly and a ton of money is spent to make sure stuff like this doesnt happen. Maybe 20 years ago, at the dawn of EWR this was more accurate.
There is not enough mercury in an LCD backlight lamp to do anything. Even still that mercury is not in vapor form because it is not energized. mercury is only dangerous in vapor form unless you intentionally ingest it in liquid form. Modern TV sets and monitors use LED backlighting and lead free solder so the danger risk is lowered however many many repair shops in the US do not use lead free solder while repairing devices because lead free solder has a high failure rate and is difficult to work with. Also you have some recyclers that shred electronics and other recyclable materials so they can compact as much as possible into a shipment
And the worst part, some of the materials that we use for making these products are so rare to the point if we don't invest money into recycling electronics, we are going to end up not having materials to produce more. You think paying 1000$ for a phone is bad, wait till some of the rarer metals start to dry up, and you'll think 4000$ is cheap.
This is sad. It seems as if there are enough valuable materials in a computer - metals, for example; some plastics; wiring - that could be recycled for use here in the United States.
I would say, yes, I would keep my old cellphones and probably other small things that can be used several times. But what about lamp bulbs, non rechargeable batteries or what about old mice and keyboards which will just make your house dirty, unhealthy, and less spacious?
@@TheDuckPox Check out Terracycle! Their boxes can be a little pricey tbh but they can recycle pretty much anything. If you can't afford them, it might be worth it if you split the cost with some friends and family so they can recycle their stuff too. A bunch of sustainably minded stores have some of their recycling boxes available to the public.
As an Ewaste specialist myself I do what I can to minimize Ewaste coming from New Zealand. A tip for anyone else in the industry is to up-cycle PCs which can still be used for light workloads like word processing and sell it on the cheap to those who may need an upgrade from their ancient systems, that way your doing good for both your community and the planet.
same and also same for most companies out there. Reuse is a huge part of recycling. Except that sometimes the market for this reuse is in the middle east or africa, where emerging tech is a decade behind and they can use the material we would consider scrap.
I worked for an electronics recycling company over the summer and we got devices with the trackers implanted in them. Our manager would warn us daily to look out for them. We would get in trouble if they were trashed instead of recycled
Wait till the EV vehicles take over the roads. Here in the US alone 12 to 15 million vehicles a year reach the end of their life and are scrapped. The average EV battery weights 1600 pounds so once EV vehicles take over, that's 24 billion pounds a year of hazardous battery waste that will have to be dumped. No their not recyclable their to deadly to recycle and are not designed to recycle. Think about that when you see the streets filling up with EV's.
9:27 so... "...took home almost 8 million...", "...it would cost about 2.5 million to do this properly..." and "...they would've made 6.5 million..."??? like... 8 - 2.5 = 5.5? 😂
((8x2)-2.5)/2=6.75....6 and a half seems like a reasonable statement to me. Certainly not off by a million. Also he said almost 8. I guess his math is better than your comprehension. Story problems be hard bro.
Per my knowledge GPS is sending the location only one way - to the device. It's not receiving information from the device. For example if you have a cell phone - the phone will determine its GPS coordinates but it will need Internet connection in order to send them to someone (or server etc). How do those devices transmit the GPS location back to the system? My apologies if this question was already answered! Thank you!
Car trackers, used to recover repossessed vehicles, transit their location over 2G cellular. They might be using that, though that means they can't watch it cross oceans - just when it arrives.
Good thing computers are getting smaller, laptops weighing 3-5 lbs vs 40 for desktops. Oled tvs are lighter and tighter than lcds even...super slim tvs just on the horison.
I keep all my electronics or trade it in so it can be resold. If it's dead and absolutely unusable, I'll just keep it lol. Just keep the box and have it sit in my garage, like old printers and all my past PCs are still with me. I sell my monitors that are too pricey to fix to local swapmeets so they can resell themselves.
Manufacturers should be held responsible for the entire life cycle of a product & not just until they're sold. If they can invest in manufacturing facilities with expensive robots just to be early to market & being more efficient, they can also acknowledge end of life of their product & provide dismantling facilities where they're able to return a product to it's raw materials & reuse them. I guess you could say it can be a closed loop system where much like Apple you're locked in a company's ecosystem so that could be a plus for the businesses. You buy from the company, you use it, then send it back to them.
I know right?! Now I'm just a humble industrial chemical industry executive, but I'm tired of these dang hippies calling ME a murderer for shipping all this waste cyanide to South East Asian work orphanages where it can be responsibly handled by under-educated and ill-equiped 11 year olds! I'm doing that country a service! Sending valuable jobs, materials, to their country, and drastically reducing the orphan population! I'm the good guy here!
I'm in the process of building a recycling buisness in germany. All waste gets recycled. Electronics go back to oil and steel aswell as precious metals.
I haven't read the Basel Legislation but I really hope that one of the things that gets more attention moving forward is how waste is exported. To be honest, I think the ideal situation is to ban the export of waste, and let countries handle it by themselves. This incentivizes nations to look after how much waste they produce and introduce further legislation on how to produce more efficiently. But that is the ideal goal-when you think about the nuances especially in countries where primary mining and refinement of raw materials and production of goods takes place and which outputs a lot more hazardous waste than countries who does not do manufacturing and imports many of the goods people consume.
Man this is tough to watch. Personally I haven’t thrown out a single electronic (phone, computer) in my life. I’m 17 right now and I still have my iPod 5 from middle school. I still have my laptop from grade 9. They both still work but I don’t use them anymore and I’ve grown too attached to throw them away. Currently I’m using an iPhone 7 Plus to watch this video and I’ve had it for over three years now. I only recently retired my old laptop since I got a new computer. It isn’t even a year old yet.
You, me, and someone else in the comments all had the same thought. It mentally stopped me in my tracks, while I tried to work out how he got 6½ from those numbers.
@@isaiahhiggins At least you're smart and honest enough to realise and admit your mistake, unlike some of the other commenters. There's hope for you still. :)
Do you recycle your electronic waste?
Yes, i fix computers, tvs, phones and other things in Chile.
That's why i'm studying a technician in electronics
No i sell em
I try to use it as long as I can
(Typed on a phone from 2016)
I donate my used electronics to an organization that properly process them.
I drop my electronics off at a nearby Household Hazardous Waste. They have different areas there for Cardboard/paper, fluorescent bulbs, electronics, rechargeable batteries, paint, auto fluids, etc.
And I would have gotten away with it too If it wasn't for you meddling non-profits!
Worst Scooby Doo episode ever!!!
@@Lamster66 Like man, this recycling factory gives me the heeby-jeebies!!!
@@Lamster66 also, the gang was really bad at planning their road trips weren't they? How often did they run out of gas and were totally lost? 😂🤣
@@shanhussain6114 They should've stopped using regular plot fuel and go premium
And your no good mangy trackers!
So WALL-E really predicted future.
guess from where the idea of wall-e came....
skankhunt 42 the future '-'
wow I was just going to say the same, the heaps of e-wadte remimded me of the opening scene!
@skankhunt 42 are you Kyle's dad, the jew?
@skankhunt 42 It came from the present. The plot of Wall-e was based off of the way we manage our waste.
I use my phone and electronics until they are completely unusable. It's harder to reprogram and update a phone's software than it is to buy a new one but honestly I prefer it. I get attached to my devices and I refuse to give it up without a very good reason. There is a culture of fast consumption of goods that needs to be addressed on all levels; from fashion to electronics. Get attached to your things, buy only if you have to and treat it with respect.
Used it pass its value..until its nonfunctional...
@@592sunrise with care and consideration, devices can last for years.
Agreed. Then I often buy refurbished for my "new" device. I also enjoy the feeling of making something from very little or basic resources, or from junk/scraps, so I enjoy salvaging parts from old desktops and the like in order to piece together a working one!
@@revenevan11 while I'm not good at building, I'm good at customising the software for needs and it's a very fulfilling way to care for your items
I agree on half of what you said, not because I don't believe you, but because I'm reading only half as my screen is cracked but functional so I keep using my phone instead of getting a new one!
The burning question in my mind now is, why is there so much e-waste? why do we let companies get away with purposefully outdating or sabotaging their own equipment for sales? (I'm talking iPhones and other smartphones, printers and more importantly ink cartridges, etc?) we're continuously making cheaper quality products for more profit and creating a bigger problem for someone else to take care of. I understand regular wear and tear, but when you take special care of something only for a "software update" or incompatibility to make it useless after 2 years...
It’s because of our selfishness
Lobbyists and politicians ensure the costs (negative impacts) of doing business get past on to the rest of us, while the profits go to the big wigs, shareholders and donors who in turn pay off the lobbyist and politician. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Tires get a recycling fee tacked on when you purchase them and when they are used up you have to pay a disposal /recycling fee... and 80% of the time they are just burned.
They always get away with it like ex: our new apple product is better ppl buy then toss, Oof
they just wouldn't stop monopolizing everything.
@rager trolling korea음경 not in everyone but many many ppl and companies.
its not only the companies That cuased the E-waste but everbody caused that
Me: Where to Find Rare Earth Elements?
Computer: Did you mean the Elements inside Me
@The Random Virgin That's not very nice
Please no one don't make this a suddenly uwu. Please.
Kinky
Thats kinda cheesy.
@Lucas Zhu and arduino
Shipping this stuff off is just moving the problem. If there was much more development and focus on recycling, it might even become very profitable industry.
This needs to apply at every level of industry so this idea is part of the design and manufacturing.
The problem is it isn't profitable and doesn't look like it will be anytime in the near future, hence why it's rapidly becoming such an absurdly gigantic problem. I don't know what the solution is, but I can agree it definitely isn't to just ship it somewhere else...
JUST LIKE NUCLEAR
Another way to recycle is to sell or gift out used but usable stuff. F.ex. Instead of throwing out your old console, your old phone or your old desktop, try and see if you can find someone who will take it off of your hands, for money or otherwise. Heck if you're throwing it out, a simple add saying "free phone" would easily pass it over
@@franciscos.2301 Did you watch the whole video? The federal prosecutor at the very end (@9:28) states that the owners of Total Reclaim took home almost $8 million each over the course of time that they were committing fraud (7 years according to a Seattle Times article). If they had properly recycled the components it would have cost approximately $2.5 million total and each would have still made $6.5 million each. $6.5 million over 7 years is ~$930,000 a year. Seems plenty profitable to me.
It is profitable, I work for a Chinese company doing refurbishment of computers take in for free and sell it and ship the warehouse rent was tax deductible making it essentially free and mostly profits. The refuse was ship to China where they had a manufacturing plant they were able to melt the plastics and reuse it.
“But the US never ratified it” oh wow what else is new? 🙄
@Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd thanks obama 🙄
Not this comment...
Oh, put it on your blog!
Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd Why hasnt trump hmm wtf no stfu this is a bipartisan problem
@Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd here we go again... Why didn't any president? Why didn't any president do anything for anyone? In the end, we continue to use plastic grocery bags, and one time use water bottles, and the list goes on and on.
"It would have cost about $2.5 million for them to do this properly. So perhaps instead of each of them making $8 million, they would have made $6.5 million each."
A story of unbridled greed, sadly repeated so often.
Except that math just doesn't make sense.
5.5 million is still a baffling amount of money. The guy in the video goofed on his math but the point is still valid
On one had it is greed, another it's opportunity albeit hazardous and perhaps it opens the door to regulations without stiffling business.
If this is so profitable, why isn't BAN starting their own recycling company?
The fact is its not as profitable as many think especially if ur just a collector.. About 80% of ewaste has no to little recycle value.. It cost more to break the material down that what u can retrieve from it.
Not just Asia, but Africa also gets a ton of the western ewaste
@Northman Unlike you, then?
Not just Western, I'm sure you get Asian and other wastes. More people live in Africa and Asia and hence more e-waste will come from there. This isn't just a "western" problem, it's a global problem.
Not just E-Waste, my country gets a ton of plastic waste too, shipped from North America and Europe
How else do the yanks pretend to be clean and blame Asia for pollution?
@Northman there is a quite decent amount of precious and rare earth material to be salvaged
Unfortunately what u get out off doesn't pay for the recycling
Keep on making items that have planned obsolescence and increase waste
just like Apple. 🍎
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Upgrades people upgrades
What if we had upgradable tech rather than throwing away the whole thing 🤔
@@vinaybhat7670 more like Samsung. At least apple provides more than 2 years of software updates
Mercury in its poisonous elemental form is only found in LCDs backlit with fluorescent lightbulbs. LED backlit LCDs don't have the problem with mercury. Still better to get rid of the waste in proper ways.
@@sphericalred That is true.
Been a scrapper for a little over a year, I must have saved 15 desktop PC's, laptops and tvs from landfills. Most of the PC's work and usually have tonnes of music on them.
I just spent the last week trying to repair 3 computers. One has a bad power supply and it is a Dell server that needs a specific replacement. The other freezes during OS splash screen. I can't even load anything from the CD rom before it freezes. The other the mobo is just bad and won't power on. I stripped everything else I could use out of them and taking them to be recycled... somewhere... where? They never told me how to find a responsible recycling company.
Interesting, I want to try that.
One more day of *"I can't believe it's 2019 and this shit is still legal!"*
BAN would have a greater global affect if they forced countries that currently accept the waste to stop.
@@bobroberts2371 You realize that "forcing countries" means either sanctions or war? In both cases, it's the people who suffer.
Its hard to create a legislation without loopholes that can control exportation the desirable way.
Lone Starr I'm saying that BAN needs to force the waste accepting countries to stop, not the USA forcing other countries to stop.
@@bobroberts2371 maybe "convince" would be more palpable than "force"?
If anyone is looking to recycle their Samsung Note 10 I'll take it!
Bruh😂
Lol! 🙋🏼♂️ Me too!
any google pixel is mine tbh!
Reading this on my Note 10 Plus
Wait 2-3 More years for all those burnt in cracked glass fully functioning Note 10's 😆👌
It absolutely breaks my heart to see electronics, the finest mastery of technology we have so far produced, mistreated and discarded so easily, like a piece of rotten food.
I dont recycle mine lightly.
But think of the shareholders
😭
I agree. I fix old phones and donate their computing power to science aka BOINC/dreamlab
There is you on one hand ....and on the other are electronic companies that force feed the gullible a new model of TV, computer, phone every 15 months... Or less.
Some people can't feed their family properly or pay other bills on time... but they have to have the latest phone or ...what will their friends think!!!!
I use to fix and part out stuff and if it was truly worthless I would smash them then send them out for proper recycling. It was amazing what I would find on the curbside
Greed will be end of the world.
And yet it is one of the surest ways to save it the only problem is finding the way that you can make saving the world viable. Like it or not this is basic human nature at work and it's a lot easier to use it then to try and futilely stop it.
these videos are always so well produced. please keep making more.
Agreed
The bad recyclers are a problem but what about the big companies like Apple that produce all this waste but are not held responsible for the recycling???? How about laws that mandate a user can drop off their old iPhone to an Apple shop and Apple will make sure it is recycled properly???
@@danteinferno175 apple already does this, don't they?
@@danteinferno175Apple is one of the only ones that DOES do this.
2018: Your old phone is a veritable gold mine
2019: The dark side of electronic waste recycling
Stewie: True... but to make phone thinner and thinner...the manufacturers are using glue to put the phone together instead of screws. It is hard and costly to separate the different types of metal now.
Anyone else just have a cabinet all their family’s old phones go in?
Yup. A drawer stuffed with them. All the way back to the original moto flip phones
Ricky Cespedes still got a brand new Nokia flip phone in the box 📦
Putting something away doesn't mean you are dealing with it (I do keep my old electronics too). Sooner or latter they MUST be recycled in the right manner.
nope but way to contribute to ewaste
All those holding onto electronics wish i could collect them as i break everything down into individual components. I refine the metals myself.
What I would like to see, is the manufacturer made responsible for their products, right to the end of its life.
Yeah, right, then see what your new cell phone, or e-whatever, costs!
That is a fabulous idea. Apple does have a buy back program where they give you a few bucks for your old computer IF you buy a new one. Trouble is...do we know what they do with them??? Some maybe refurbished .... but after looking at this video I don't think anyone could keep up so that stuff doesn't go to ewaste.
Biggest surprise going out of this video: 6.5 + 2.5 = 8
Yeah, gotta like a lawyer who can't count
That math would be if there is only one owner. He said doing it right would cost about 2.5mil (total I’m assuming, not 2.5mil per owner) and each owner made a little less than 8mil. How many owners were there? Lets say 2. If each owner, making less than 8 mil (lets say 7.8mil) gives up 1.3mil, they each make 6.5mil and have 2.6mil to spend on actually recycling things properly.
(8 + 8 - 2.5)/2 = 6.75
Felt that on a deep level
Mark Dombrovan he knows how to count, y’all don’t know how to listen 😂
Can you make a follow up piece of latest technologies to dismantle eWaste in Western countries?
As the Prices of Electronics Goods Fall, There will always be an Increase in E-Waste
@skankhunt 42 I am also thinking about this. Why making many models and creating many devices which creates a lot of waste.
skankhunt 42 As the price of manufacturing falls, the price of singular repairs does not and can't. A TV factory has specialized test equipment and access to custom parts that they can amortize over 100's of thousands of units where as a local TV shop might see a few dozen of a particular type. Also, is anyone going to spend $ 100 on a $ 200 TV and wait a few weeks for parts to arrive?
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2:38 "So it still looks like a normal... Piece of electronic."
So confident.... Yeah a green board loosely shoved next to a blue board. I Feel like he really worked hard for those rubber gloves.
Love how they just traveled to Asia to prove it was their lmao
i already tell my all neighbours i will fix your electronics like phone, tv, BT speakers printers. just don't throw it away or sell it to scrappers.... but most of them sell it to scrapers but when some of them ask me to repair smartphone, i fix it for free but they still give me some money and it is very satisfying 😃👍 I am from India and i just want to say that everyone should try to fix their own things and if you still dont need it just give it away to someone who would like to fix or reuse it
JerryRigEverything must've been proud of you
@@anfolt yah and i love when he make smartphone's back glass transparent... it looks really cool
@Brian Troisi its my hobby. i just love to see inside electronics 😀
and if it is unfixable, like Apple's products, don't buy it
Crazy to think that so many people just throw away their electronics. I still have nearly every single electronic device I’ve had since I was little
We should learn a lesson from this video and that is "use your product a little longer then throwing it away for some shiny new thing".
What you guy's say, huh?
But that would hurt hipsters who "need" to always have a new iPhone and prefer complaining about goverment not caring for enviroment than doing something actualy something useful themselfs.
At the bare minimum, just save your dead electronics in storage for now. I have an old laptop and an iPhone that haven’t worked for at least 3 years, yet I can’t bring myself to throw them away. It was purely sentimental value at first, but now I feel that this is another good reason.
Meanwhile I’m typing this on an iPhone 8, and have zero plans to upgrade anytime soon.
@Dawid,@Alex siemers.
INDEED IT IS TRUE you see those guys will always be there. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. So let's start by ourselves and by the way I'm using a 2017 VIVO phone cause in INDIA YOU CANT afford a APPLE product.
Best of luck.
@@Dawid-kn6mv That's because they didnt know better. Let's show them.
@@alexsiemers7898 That's how you turn into a hoarder bro.
I'm amazed that this channel hasn't reached a million subscribers yet.
Imagine an AI capable of recognizing some devices, screws, chips... and taking the screws, unsoldering the chips, and classifying everything automatically
We’re still far away from that reality unfortunately
You can't really remove gold plating without electro plating it.
@@thefirstsin Electroplating is the depositing of gold, not the removal. You are thinking of reverse electroplate and it is not the preferred method as it is slow and only works with certain base metals. Besides, there are many, many ways to safely and effectively recover gold including incineration, leaching and acidic dissolution.
Somehow I get the feeling that this is the beginning of Wall-E in real life.
*Hello random stranger on the internet! I hope you’re having an amazing day/night!*
I hope for you too
Not really likely after watching this video, is it?
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If electronics / computers were easy to fix and/or upgrade, I think we would see less waste. And if LCD manufacturers did not use mercury in the CCFL tubes back in the day we wouldn’t have mercury to deal with in the first place. In Silicon Valley all the major semiconductor companies that had manufacturing activities left behind a big toxic waste, hence the absurd number of superfund sites here. All the people who knew and who’s made tons of money should be sued by the cities, counties, states, and the federal government. Not the companies but the people who ran them. And the community service hours, hopefully in the tens of thousands of hours, should be spent decontaminating soil, water, air, and recycling all the poisonous e-waste they have generated.
There's a math error 9:25
8 Million - 2.5 Million \= 6.5 Million
I thought so too, but I believe he's taking the cumulative sum of both the owner's to do this math. 16 million between 2 people, 2.5 million to do it right, 13.5 million left for profit between 2 owners, 6.75 million each. His math is still not right (lol), but makes more sense.
8,000,000-2,500,000=5,500,000
@@Raraoolala I had the same reasoning too, thought he made a bigger mistake but give or take 250k he's legit
Nadan Honey uhm yea, that’s what his comment says.
The math checks out.
He didn’t say 8 million between the two of them. He said ALMOST 8 million each. Which means it’s ALMOST 16 million in totality. Not exactly 8 mill per person.
It could be 2.5 mill off maybe 15.7mill combined or something along those lines
this is so interesting!!
I like electronic i like to take things apart I often dumpster dive for old electronics
Mostly computers
I feel really bad for the electronics that end up in landfills
We can fix them
We need to refurbish more
Conclusion : It might be the best to not recycle electronic waste since landfill are well reglemented : they colect all the fluid, it's not exported far away, and does not cause harm to the people in china who are sorting the wastes.
Do you have any examples of proper recycling at scale?
I believe paper and cardboard recycling is pretty efficient. Most new stuff is made of ~40% recycled material. And 70% of cardboard used makes it back for recycling. Mostly because companies have systems to ensure most of what they use gets recycled. Consumers dont care nearly as much about where they throw things.
@@breadman32398 my question was aimed at ewaste recycling at scale. This "conspiracy" group seems to focus on shady recyclers, which makes it seem like there's a better alternative. However the one example they provided was a small scale company that only processes a the beginning stages, not the complete lifecycle. Ewaste is a serious problem, but so are "whistle blower" groups at solving the core recycling issue.
@@Jonedcc ah, true. I imagine fully recycling waste start to finish is next to impossible considering all the different components, materials, and types.
@@Jonedcc designing products with repair in mind would be a great first step.
Steel and iron, copper, aluminium, and glass. Also, asphalt... used to pave roads, sidewalks, runways, and lots... ironically made from crude oil (and crushed rocks).
I hate when people talk like the narrator. It sounds like they just got done talking for 24 hours straight then decided it was a good idea to voice record.
I dug out my brother's WinXP computer, it's wonderful. No longer will I have to sell my soul to make old games work.
Still using multiple laptops daily that are running XP.
This is extremely frustrating to watch as someone who is almost fanatical about recycling.
What I think should also be a takeaway of this video is that we as consumers can be way more efficient as well.
Avoid getting that new product until your old one is actually broken. If you double its lifetime you can roughly say that you cut the waste you generated in half. Increase its lifespan just 5 or 10% longer than what you initially planned, and everyone followed suit, then that would already mean thousands of tons of waste saved.
Your vocal fry makes it hard to concentrate
"The US has never ratified the treaty"
Of course they haven't! This is a country that promotes individualism over collectivism! The average American isn't incentivized to care enough about stuff that affects the rest of the world
A great way to boost profit if you recycle locally would be to sell valuables online. I see a lot of recyclers who receive desirable vintage computers and list them on ebay with decent turnover rates. There's more money to be made and another classic machine gets saved.
This is a verry interesting topic to me. I want to get involved locally and do more for my community and it's e-waste removal.
No the Free Market does not fix everything.
Left unchecked greed will never do the right thing.
You do realise this has nothing to do with the Free Market argument? A state-owned recycling company wouldn't necessarily be better. The institutions' oversight has to be improved to enforce existing regulation better and internationally existing standards have to be ratified and implemented.
The Free Market argument does not mean that everything is perfect if you just leave it alone, it refers to price mechanisms, government meddling in an economy and economic efficiency. It still requires a regulatory framework and institutions around it to function properly
The concept of a "free market" is such a joke... considering all the subsidies and tax breaks they get... and why is a CEO worth millions in salary?
Right now you're watching this on an electronic device... they know...
D G lmaooo
Right!? How did they know!?
I mean, my device is using some ten year old hardware. Repurposing old server hardware to make workstations is great fun.
No, I am watching this on a flip book.
It's a Nokia so it may outlive me 😆
Why has the narrator such a horrible voice, croaking out of his throat? is he sick?
it would have been helpful to actually know how e waste is recycled proplerly. Refurbish old parts is not exactly an explanation
4:13 or the sludge is from dissolving the boards in acid. Absolutely terrible for the workers and the environment.
Maybe look into Apple iPhone recycling robot they pitched some years ago.
yeah this video is misleading at best and slanderous at worst. Most large companies are already recycling responsibly and a ton of money is spent to make sure stuff like this doesnt happen. Maybe 20 years ago, at the dawn of EWR this was more accurate.
Feels like im sitting in this guy's Adams apple.
I just found the relatable comment I was looking for !
There is not enough mercury in an LCD backlight lamp to do anything. Even still that mercury is not in vapor form because it is not energized. mercury is only dangerous in vapor form unless you intentionally ingest it in liquid form. Modern TV sets and monitors use LED backlighting and lead free solder so the danger risk is lowered however many many repair shops in the US do not use lead free solder while repairing devices because lead free solder has a high failure rate and is difficult to work with.
Also you have some recyclers that shred electronics and other recyclable materials so they can compact as much as possible into a shipment
Lead-free solder sucks!
"Capitalism encourages innovation"
Most times
"It just works!"
Sure thing. Like the device you used to write your comment.
It's true. The problem is, it also encourages heavy consumerism. And we really suck at recycling while the planet's resources become more rare
Socialism encourages starvation
This has been going on since the 90s.
I think this 'old news' subject was already covered years ago in the hit documentary series "Futurama" 🤔
That lawyer at the end does not know how to do simple arithmetic...
He thinks: 8 - 2.5 = 6.5
Did anyone else not catch that?
@time= 9:43 if anyone wants to check.
try ((8*2)-2.5)/2
Am I the only one annoyed by how his voice goes full "rrrrrrr…"
Yes yes....thank God I'm not the only one
And the worst part, some of the materials that we use for making these products are so rare to the point if we don't invest money into recycling electronics, we are going to end up not having materials to produce more. You think paying 1000$ for a phone is bad, wait till some of the rarer metals start to dry up, and you'll think 4000$ is cheap.
Someone's waste can be someone's treasure 🤓
Just retired my note 3, its just a music player now.
This is sad. It seems as if there are enough valuable materials in a computer - metals, for example; some plastics; wiring - that could be recycled for use here in the United States.
I recycle by never getting rid of my old cell phone. I call it my cellphone grave, which is a box I keep probably forever.
And after you're gone? You're just delaying the problem.
goodvibration delaying it until eWaste recycling actually happens, when it can be properly dismantled.
@@SA2004YG the inheritors - maybe give it to museum
I would say, yes, I would keep my old cellphones and probably other small things that can be used several times. But what about lamp bulbs, non rechargeable batteries or what about old mice and keyboards which will just make your house dirty, unhealthy, and less spacious?
@@TheDuckPox Check out Terracycle! Their boxes can be a little pricey tbh but they can recycle pretty much anything. If you can't afford them, it might be worth it if you split the cost with some friends and family so they can recycle their stuff too. A bunch of sustainably minded stores have some of their recycling boxes available to the public.
I thought they were actually recycling old conspiracies🙄
As an Ewaste specialist myself I do what I can to minimize Ewaste coming from New Zealand. A tip for anyone else in the industry is to up-cycle PCs which can still be used for light workloads like word processing and sell it on the cheap to those who may need an upgrade from their ancient systems, that way your doing good for both your community and the planet.
same and also same for most companies out there. Reuse is a huge part of recycling. Except that sometimes the market for this reuse is in the middle east or africa, where emerging tech is a decade behind and they can use the material we would consider scrap.
I would have a field day if I could just spend a day going through all the discarded tech and finding cool stuff.
How do you know I'm watching this on an electronic device? Are you spying on me?!?
Almost makes me wanna start a e waste business
Yeah I don't buy or replace my electronics every year like most people, after I spend $1000+ that device/s has to last me until it is unusable!!!
I just keep my electronics, for some reason if my current phone breaks down I have my old on that will just be as my back up for the mean time.
I worked for an electronics recycling company over the summer and we got devices with the trackers implanted in them. Our manager would warn us daily to look out for them. We would get in trouble if they were trashed instead of recycled
Why don't Apple or Samsung recycle ?
Wait till the EV vehicles take over the roads. Here in the US alone 12 to 15 million vehicles a year reach the end of their life and are scrapped. The average EV battery weights 1600 pounds so once EV vehicles take over, that's 24 billion pounds a year of hazardous battery waste that will have to be dumped. No their not recyclable their to deadly to recycle and are not designed to recycle. Think about that when you see the streets filling up with EV's.
9:27 so... "...took home almost 8 million...", "...it would cost about 2.5 million to do this properly..." and "...they would've made 6.5 million..."??? like... 8 - 2.5 = 5.5? 😂
They made 8M each, and would have made 6.5M each if they had kept ethical practises
Jillian Westplate using that logic they would’ve each made 7.2 million
@@illuminadi7055 🤷🏻
((8x2)-2.5)/2=6.75....6 and a half seems like a reasonable statement to me. Certainly not off by a million. Also he said almost 8. I guess his math is better than your comprehension. Story problems be hard bro.
Also I'd do 28 months for 1.75 million. Just saying.
That lawyer needs to reevaluate his math.
These shown us how the hypocrisies in western countries appeared in many ways
So the USA are all "western countries"? I'll just assume you were absent when geography was taught at your school
8 million minus 2.5 million is 5.5 million not 6.5 million, or do i need to recycle my calculator?
try ((8*2)-2.5)/2
Per my knowledge GPS is sending the location only one way - to the device. It's not receiving information from the device. For example if you have a cell phone - the phone will determine its GPS coordinates but it will need Internet connection in order to send them to someone (or server etc).
How do those devices transmit the GPS location back to the system?
My apologies if this question was already answered!
Thank you!
Car trackers, used to recover repossessed vehicles, transit their location over 2G cellular. They might be using that, though that means they can't watch it cross oceans - just when it arrives.
Jim Puckett and everyone working at BAN are what real heroes look like. We need many, many more people like them in the world.
0:13
In a box tucked away in my closet, most likely. Or handi-down-ed to a friend.
Good thing computers are getting smaller, laptops weighing 3-5 lbs vs 40 for desktops. Oled tvs are lighter and tighter than lcds even...super slim tvs just on the horison.
I keep all my electronics or trade it in so it can be resold. If it's dead and absolutely unusable, I'll just keep it lol. Just keep the box and have it sit in my garage, like old printers and all my past PCs are still with me. I sell my monitors that are too pricey to fix to local swapmeets so they can resell themselves.
So What's your End ! To This !! ??
Manufacturers should be held responsible for the entire life cycle of a product & not just until they're sold.
If they can invest in manufacturing facilities with expensive robots just to be early to market & being more efficient, they can also acknowledge end of life of their product & provide dismantling facilities where they're able to return a product to it's raw materials & reuse them.
I guess you could say it can be a closed loop system where much like Apple you're locked in a company's ecosystem so that could be a plus for the businesses. You buy from the company, you use it, then send it back to them.
This dude really just said recycling irresponsibly is a form of murder...
Threw a straw out the window and got life in prison.
And? If you knowingly cause death to others through your own laziness/selfishness, where does the responsibility lie?
I know right?! Now I'm just a humble industrial chemical industry executive, but I'm tired of these dang hippies calling ME a murderer for shipping all this waste cyanide to South East Asian work orphanages where it can be responsibly handled by under-educated and ill-equiped 11 year olds! I'm doing that country a service! Sending valuable jobs, materials, to their country, and drastically reducing the orphan population! I'm the good guy here!
According to the numbers in the bank accounts of the executives, it did need to happen. Profit > all else.
Instead of 8 they would have made 5.5 million each*
I'm in the process of building a recycling buisness in germany. All waste gets recycled. Electronics go back to oil and steel aswell as precious metals.
Best of luck! Its tough out there for a small recycler. Are you going to look into any certs?
@@Away0G ill be looking in to some later on down the track, the main focus is pyrolisis and metal recovery.
I haven't read the Basel Legislation but I really hope that one of the things that gets more attention moving forward is how waste is exported. To be honest, I think the ideal situation is to ban the export of waste, and let countries handle it by themselves. This incentivizes nations to look after how much waste they produce and introduce further legislation on how to produce more efficiently. But that is the ideal goal-when you think about the nuances especially in countries where primary mining and refinement of raw materials and production of goods takes place and which outputs a lot more hazardous waste than countries who does not do manufacturing and imports many of the goods people consume.
verge science is so valuable information.
Very neutral and objective.
love it
Man this is tough to watch. Personally I haven’t thrown out a single electronic (phone, computer) in my life. I’m 17 right now and I still have my iPod 5 from middle school. I still have my laptop from grade 9. They both still work but I don’t use them anymore and I’ve grown too attached to throw them away. Currently I’m using an iPhone 7 Plus to watch this video and I’ve had it for over three years now. I only recently retired my old laptop since I got a new computer. It isn’t even a year old yet.
Great video thanks for this wonderful reporting on this important issue
Behind almost every problem you can think of there is always one culprit, human greed.
9:44 you mean 5.5 million? Typical verge.
2 guys @ $8M = $16M
- $2½M = $13½M
÷2 guys = $6¾M each.
He wasn't far off.
@@massimookissed1023 oh shoot I didn't notice that, I'm a dingus.
You, me, and someone else in the comments all had the same thought.
It mentally stopped me in my tracks, while I tried to work out how he got 6½ from those numbers.
Massimo O'Kissed me too
@@isaiahhiggins At least you're smart and honest enough to realise and admit your mistake, unlike some of the other commenters. There's hope for you still. :)
Why USA is so fishy about all environmental treaties?
Amazing video !
Ben Adians I did
As an American street scrapper, is all of my ewaste I sell just ending up in Malaysia, India, or Africa harming people?
Yes but not harming people. Many of the refineries that extract metals are located in those countries.
Wow! Great job Verge and BAN. I always worried the electronics recycling wasn't what I assumed it was
Nice marketing video for eartheye