I'm a golf instructor, and I've been teaching this to students for years. This is the single best, right to the point video that I have ever seen. I watched hundreds and hundreds of them. I keep trying to find another way to swing the golf club, but I always come back to this method. It is also very body friendly.
The death concept in the game is the very notion of "swing". We don't swing the golf club. We throw the clubhead. 35 year golf pro instructor here. This was a great video.
I agree 100 percent and here’s why. Considering the mass of our hands on the handle of the club is in natural opposition to the mass nearing the end of the shaft to the head of the club. The only way to quickly release our angle from the top of the club is to initiate with a whipping motion of our hands at the very top of our downswing. Another words John Daly almost had it right,. My one and only swing thought is to ‘ Grip it and Whip it from the very top of my downswing. I swear At 73 I feel like a professional golfer as the club head takes over my hands and wrist swinging my right arm around myself at the finish of my swing. Cheers
Tiger talks about this concept. He says he "feels" like the club head is passing his hands, even if in reality they are closer to even. It should be taught as a critical golf fundamental. I gained another 50 yds total distance on the driver, yesterday, nearly driving the green! I need to start working on my "baby toss" for the Eagle. Good stuff, EA. (my 1st comment.)
Such a great tip. I was a handle dragger for 20 yrs. Wish would have had someone teach me this so long ago. Striking is so easy now. Thankyou for this video.
This is a great video and he explains it correctly. I do exactly he does. For me I feel like my hands get to the ball and my club snaps thru, not drags. He explains it really well.
Many golfers need the arms to be catching up to the center of the body instead of having the body lead the arms into impact. If you are one of those golfers it will help.
Great video. I've been trying to figure this out for years and to get the answer and the results is amazing! I hit it 25 yards further with my pitching wedge almost 150 yards!
Mister Tischler i wanted to thank you personally to the bottomn of my heart litterally ! I rode a book (another one) titled "Best driving instruction book" from David DeNunzio. It's a collection of the best instructors medley. In your section there was a sentence that almost went unnoticed which is for me the secret of golf on what really produces the release ! Never heard of in the hundreds books and mags and thousands of you tube videos ! I tried and went experimenting whoooooosh brand new ball flight, distance, finish, compression etc and etcs THANKS and happy new year 2018
You said people comment about the sound of your impacts. The best I've ever heard with current day players is Stenson & your sounds exactly like his. Very sweet!
E A, I think you are correct. The concept I personally use is to try to "up cock" the club head on the follow though. The only way I can accomplish this is to start to release as soon as I Start the down swing. If there is a flip, it seems to happen after impact. I'm 63, can get about 108 MPH clubbed speed on a driver...about 265 yards carry on a solid strike...
I happened across a video that had Ledbetter talking to some teaching pros about a different swing he's come up with which shows the forearms NOT rolling over each other as was always what most are teaching & taught before. When it's shown in slow motion, it looks much like Jim Furyk's loop from the top. There was a famous photo of Hogan that actually showed the face of the club pointing back over the top of his head in his follow thru. After all this time of Ledbetter teaching the arm roll, he suddenly comes up with this. If memory serves, I believe he's calling it the A swing.
This is an important video, thank you. Do you feel like this type of throwing release would be best for golfers as they get older, and begin to lose some flexibility making body action more difficult?
Thanks for the comment. It really depends on the golfer whether it is more of a throwing action or some other release pattern. However more golfers need to feel they are unhinging much soon than later. The key in my opinion is learning the proper unhinging pattern then marrying it with the proper body actions and pressure shifts so that the golfer is linked up properly through impact.
@@eagolfpro ok I already realize that.. I have an instructor say I drag the handle to much causing a steep popping up drives and I’ve had another thinks my closed club face at top of swing is my problem. What’s your best shallowing drill? Thx
Great video. I am holding back. I have a question and hope you could be helpful. I have chicken wing in follow through stage when one looks down the line camera view.. Do you think it is because I am holding the release? Thank you.
What Nicklaus meant by "release" is totally different than throwing away wrist angle. According to Mike Malaska, director of the Nicklaus teaching academy and a guy who has talked directly to Jack about his comment, Jack's idea of release was transitioning the club head from behind him at the top to back in front of him. It had nothing to do with lessening wrist angle. You can find Mike's conversation with Jack discussed on Mike Malaska's UA-cam channel.
I’ve heard Nicklaus taking about this multiple times in person. He never thought of lagging it. He specifically talked about getting from the transition to the full extension as fast as possible. And he also talked about restoring the radius. You can’t to either of those without unhinging. So though he might not of thought of unhinging intern way you are interpreting it, he did unhinge and he did talk about releasing from the top as well as getting to the full extension as fast as possible. Additionally there is plenty of research in biomechanics that shows that using the force couple to unhinge properly created more speed.
Seems different from other videos you say from the top you should start to unhinge and send the clubhead through impact with rotation of body and the hands and clubhead threw the ball at the same time doesn't this cause casting which I have been told is my main problem let me know thanks for your help Jack
Hello Jack, releasing is simply unhinging the wrists in a manner that sends the club down plane and towards the full extension. The release is completed at the full extension. I define casting as unhinge off plane. Unhinging down plane is just unhinging. In this video I do mention that the body compliments the release and that the hands are returning through their address location as we are unhinging. Keep in mind that in most of the videos I’ve posted on UA-cam are explaining valid patterns! That doesn’t mean they are absolutely for everyone! For example there are players that develop a dominant body action and then find a complementary arms swing and release pattern. On the other hand there are golfers that develop a dominant arm swing and find a complimentary body action! Then there are players that have more equal partners in body and arms swing. This type of arms swing and release worked great for Nicklaus! It also worked for Hogan! However the both describe the need for a body action that compliments the arm swing. With this type of arm swing you still need to use the ground properly, with a good transitional pressure shift and you need to posture up well through the ball as well! The main point is using a sound release instead of trying to drag or pull on the handle too much!
You know Ed, for years I've been taught about the handle drag, flat left wrist, etc., etc. all it's done is make it more frustrating. UNTIL I saw this and your other release videos, all I can say is wow! and thank you! With it being my ONLY swing thought, I'm hitting the ball so much more solid and of course further! Like Brendon asked, would this also work with the driver?
+cryogene Thanks for your comments. Here are some similar concepts being employed with the driver: ua-cam.com/video/71tGxfTOwtM/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/wGBd8U_1XPA/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/Odk5RhsIpuM/v-deo.html,
You have a set up like many good golfers, left elbow pointing at the target, right elbow open. If I would do that then my right shoulder comes forward to the targetline and is in a dominant position and hit all bad shots.
you play the ball quite back in your stance and you have a quiet hip action before impact. correct? how do you adapt for woods, especially driver? still square stance?
Greetings EA, Thank you very much for the videos, as they are helpful. 1.) Are you actively bowing your wrist through impact (by twisting the handle) or 2.) Are you squaring the club sole through body rotation; 3.) Or are you squaring the club face with twisting the handle along with body rotation? Thanks! Jp
Hi EA. Big fan of your work. A few questions. 1. What club do you hit here? And to me IT looks like your ballposition is just inside your rightfoot? 2. "let the club pass your hands " ? What's your view on TGM and what mr Kelly has to say about flat left wrist etc. 3. Thanks for teaching me posture release! Made my first Hole in one this Monday 🤗 played for over 20 years. Keep up the good work Best regards Mikael
detterberg1, as far as the club it was either an 8 iron or 9 iron. Camera angle is a bit off making it look a bit further back then it is. I look at ball position in relations to the sternum position more than the feet. My 7 iron is below my sternum with 8, 9 and wedges behind the sternum. 6 iron more forward and progressively moving more forward with each longer club. Also, I coach 5 possible ball positions for each club (not that all players need to use all 5 or are comfortable with all 5). There is your standard position, one ball forward, one ball back, two balls back and three balls back. We make some adjustments for each ball position. As far as TGM, there are many players that can be seen with a flatter left wrist at impact, however biomechanically they are all moving from more flexed to more extended. Those that seem to be lagging it longer are swinging with what I call Under attributes and either center or forward linkage alignments. There are many different types of stroke patterns that are available. Many have tried to lag it and hold the angle too long and it caused tremendous problems. Many need to throw it harder and sooner. Even those that throw it or release it sooner you will see some type of flat left wrist attribute at the moment of impact. It just doesnt mean that the angle is being held. Keep up the good work.
Great video E.A! This is deep! I am on a similar trail with the "release". Im almost thinking of it as more of a pivot motion with a fulcrum. To me it feels like the top of the grip is the fulcrum. So in the downswing when I am getting to a parallel feeling it seems like rather than dragging the handle you should be slowing the handle? It feels like if I was on a motorcycle getting up to 100 mph then SLAMMING the brakes. Thats what I feel like I'm doing with the clubs grip. Slamming the brakes with the top of the grip then it's all my body adjusting to the ridiculous momentum. From there I just control which direction/and timing the club is pivoting to(down my target line, out to right field etc). It's the CLUB pivoting to my lines NOT my body, arms etc going to them. Does this make sense? I heard you mention force in the grip? So are you trying to "catch up" with the right arm or "slow down" the handle? I know its probably some of both. Would love to hear your thoughts.
so if i understand this correctly , you need to posture up or you would flip it . is posturing up a similar concept to keeping the club ' in front' of the body ?
lag is created by using your legs properly the legs drive the golf swing making the arms follow thus creating a whip like action between the upper and lower body. Go check out Ben Hogan...and remember loose wrists
It is obvious that EA Tischler is more than a competent instructor, and perhaps an even finer ball striker. However, there are others, and I believe that--I guess--we all have to find what works for us. I appreciate this lesson because I'm sure there are many out there trying to 'drag' to lag etc...and maybe this video will indeed help. Perhaps I'm one of them. I'll just add, that in slow-mo, EA Tischler has tons more lag than my swing (looked closely at both)....I'm thinking that professionals that strike the ball as well as Tischler have swing thought that fight their natural weaknesses...in this case, Tischler might create too much lag and releasing early is a 'thought' that makes his swing perfect. Tom Watson talks about 'coming over the top' LOL...I'm pretty sure if I try to come over the top, I will accomplish nothing. 2c. BTW, Thank you! Your instruction is solid, it is my imperfect talent that meanders and tries to make sense of this great game we all love.
wreckim, I you have studied my approach at all, or that of BioSwing Dynamics (which Mike Adams and I are the co-founders of) you would know that we customize the coaching process for each golfer. I would say, you don't have to have a swing thought that fights your natural weaknesses. Not sure we all have natural weakness, maybe more like conditioned responses and habits. Anyway, my approach is to focus more on what needs to happen and what needs to be accomplished. I don't believe in fixing or fighting tendencies. I create a plan, focus on the plan and manage the plan. In fact, I do not create too much 'lag', nor do I think of releasing early. I focus on the proper release action for me, and I develop a proper skill of releasing. I also created the proper posturing and pressure shifts for my biomechanics. Additionally I developed the proper force in the handle requirements. Now, what most people don't realize is that if they release hard, even from the top, you can have the perceived 'lag' angles simply by learning to use the body properly. By having the correct amount of translation of the COM, along with the proper pressure shifts under the feet, and the proper release, the so-called 'lag' angle will appear. By the proper release I mean applying force in the handle in such a way that the clubhead is somewhat following the hands from the inside, or behind the hands from a down-plane vlew, while at the same time using the force in the handle to smash with the clubhead. For me, the harder I try and smash with the clubhead the more 'lag' shows up without trying to get any 'lag", however I also release those angles before impact.
Wow. Thanks for taking the time to respond....did not expect it. I'll watch more lessons from you...honest. But I'm not sure I have the talent to understand the game at this level...or if having the talent to 'understand' is even relevant, as it appears that some are born with instincts that are superior to others (obviously)....but I would completely disagree with anyone that thinks that you cannot improve and perhaps reach much higher competitive levels simply because one's talent is limited...hard work and dedication are part and parcel of success in any endeavor. Thanks again!
Read his publications.He is thorough and understands how the body works. I've changed some patterns thanks to his approach and I'm hitting it as solid as ever.
It is with great peril that an amateur like me, that 'peaked' at about a 5-handicapp, has the gall to critique an instructor that has dedicated his life (or a major part of it) to his sport--and does at as fine as EA. I stand corrected--totally--on whatever I perceived as a 'weakness'...as I have watched other lessons from him now, and am beginning to fully realize his full arsenal of knowledge in the swing.
Hogan never said that about releasing from the top brother. Further more Hogan did say he felt that in the downswing his left arm moved like he was pulling an arrow out of a quiver.
TheSeer101 Hogan absolutely did say it. He said a lot of things throughout his career and many times he said things that seemed to be contradictory to each other. However it was just that he said them about different techniques he was working on. And he said this about his swing once he believed he had figured it all out. I’ve talked to a variety of people that personally knew Hogan and they have all confirmed it. Both Nicklaus and Mike Austin also conveyed the same ideas. As long as the transition is performed properly and the body is contributing properly this is a great image. And if you do it without the body contributing properly then the flaw is to get the body contributing properly!
@@eagolfpro You are full of more shit than a Christmas turkey. There is no where that he ever stated or wrote that. Don't tell me you heard it from somebody who knew Hogan, because that is BS too. Hogan stated "You release at the bottom" of the swing. Those are the masters exact words
TheSeer101 using profanity doesn’t make you correct. I never wrote that he wrote it. I wrote that he stated it. And I’ve heard it repeated many times by many players and teachers and a know a lot of teachers and players that have confirmed it. So just because you never heard it and don’t believe it doesn’t make it false. You aren’t the first to challenge it. I’ve posted it many times and others have claimed as you that he never said it. However many people have also confirmed that he said it. And if you have followed my videos and read my books enough you would know exactly why I’ve stated what I’ve stated and why it is a great image for many golfers. And the fact that both Nicklaus and Austin have also stated makes it even more valid. In the future please refrain from using profanity in your comments. It is simply unnecessary!
TheSeer101 by the way one of the people that told me he actually asked Hogan that specific question and Hogan told him to go to the top of the backswing. From there Hogan actually grabbed his left wrist and made the move from the top that Hogan wanted him to make. And it was definitely releasing from the top. However the body needs to be moving properly to compliment that action. Also trained someone that used to shag balls for Hogan, and he told me that Hogan told him the same thing. I will take their words over yours!
@@eagolfpro What are you easily triggered lmao!!! OK sir I will frame from profanity. You are a lair and he never said that. Hogan stated clearly on video it is released at the bottom of the swing and not the top. By the way, do yourself a favor and get rid of those goofy birth control glasses
I hit my best shots when I never STOP dragging the handle. I "feel" like I am still dragging the handle well after impact all the way to the finish. If your grip is very light and does not tense up during the swing the club will release automatically due to centripetal acceleration and you don't even have to think about releasing the club.
TheNYgolfer, what you are describing is certainly a viable option, however I see more golfers every year that have tried that approach and continued to fail being proficient at executing consistently. Many of those same golfers find it much easier to take a different approach, one where they feel they have a more active release. In my experience there are biomechanical reasons why golfers are successful with differing techniques. Some of those biomechanical factors are structural, some are dynamic and some are functional. In my view it is not about what technique is best it is about what is best for the individual golfer based on the amount of time and energy they commit and the biomechanical factors that influence their tendecies.
@@eagolfpro Handle dragging has one huge advantage over the method you are describing and that is that handle dragging requires no timing of the release. People who trash the method simply don't understand the method. Under pressure , when that choke string gets really tight around the neck, that's when having to time a release gets real hairy. Nicklaus never said "it's impossible to release the club too early". He said "it's impossible to release the club too early, as long as you move to your left side FIRST" . Big difference. So there is timing involved. He plants his front foot first, then releases the club. By the time he starts releasing the club his right elbow will have dropped down to his right hip. That's a big difference compared to releasing right from the top. Even if it just "feels" like the release is right from the top, that would still be too early. 3 most famous handle daggers I can think of are John Daly,Sergio Garcia and Moe Norman. Moe and Daly both said they "pull like mad with the left arm and the right arm is just along for the ride". Sergio said he pulls with both arms. Anyone can learn the handle dragging method. If students fail to grasp it , it's because the teacher fails to properly teach it or doesn't fully understand it. Oh, and I just thought of another famous handle dagger. Iron Byron. Your method is a valid one of course, but it takes a lot of practice to get that timing down. Handle dragging requires little practice because the release is automatic and under pressure it's nice not to have to time anything.
@@TheNYgolfer it would be just as accurate to say that if you have timing issue with this approach that you simply don't truly understand it, how to coach it or how to employ it. Fact is there are a variety of was to play successfully. You call method being discussed in this video "Your Method" meaning My Method. It is just a method. I coach all kinds of techniques. And I do mention that the body needs to support the arms swing properly. Every athletic activity involves timing. If you reduce a timing influence in one area, you can it in another. Fact is there are plenty of players that need to learn how to release it harder, sooner and properly for them that requires it to be very different than handle dragging. I have plenty of videos showing that the angles are released later in the downswing instead of at the top in the players that successfully employ the method in this video. The fact is the way you apply force into the handle to employ this technique requires that the golfer focus on employing them much earlier than those that feel like they are handle dragging. There are plenty of people that have tried handle dragging and even doing it in a proper manner that failed to do so, just because it isn't the best method for the individual. You argue that anyone can do it. I disagree. You may assume that I don't know how to do it properly or coach it properly, and you would be wrong. In my approach the key is to figure out what works best and most consistently for the golfer in front of me. I have had thousands of students that have tried handle dragging over the years and failed. Have even helped them improve those techniques. Most of them ultimately played better and more consistently using a different technique. So, for those golfers that have failed miserably with handle dragging and were looking for another option I made this video. And as some of the other people that commented share, it has worked much better for them. Additionally I have had thousands of students over the years improve tremendously with this method, as with other methods.
@@TheNYgolfer I will add that no matter what golfers need to have both a good arm swing and a good body action. Some players are more what we would call body players and some are what we would call hands players. Body players play better having body cues in their focus more than arm/hand cues. Arms/Hands Players play better with arm/hands cues in their focus. Tiger Says plays with his hands. Phil Mickelson says he plays with his hands. Many great players all the way back to Henry Cotton and before say they played with their hands and used such techniques as described in this video. Of course this video short and doesn't cover everything that is needed. I have other videos touching on the same method explaining more of it. Also have plenty of videos for body players. My Making Your Golf Simple App helps each golfer find his or her best way. In my experience Body Players still need to spend a lot of time understanding their arm swing and internalizing the proper actions, so when they play with more body awareness simply trust their arm swings. Arms/Hands Players are the opposite, they need to internalize the body actions to a level they can trust them when playing with hands cues. This is one of the reason Tiger kept saying it was a process and he needed more time when he worked on his body actions. He need to internalize them to a level where they show up when he wasn't focusing on them. Plenty of people argue like you that their technique is the best and that anyone can do it. In my experience that isn't the case, for multiple reasons and influences. In general I believe golfers need to develop a sound arm swing, one that produce good clubface awareness and control, one that develops proper face to path control as well as start direction control and ball flight curvature control. I also believe they need to develop a good body/pivot action one that uses the internal kinetics properly to use the three ground forces properly, as well as linking the kinetic chain to transfer and multiple energy from the lower body, through the torso and then through the arm swing. Some golfers come to me with a functional arm swing and need to improve the body actions. Others come with functional body actions and need to improve the arm swing and especially delivery. Some have a mixed bag and need to improve both areas. In general I address three areas of action, ground interaction, body actions and arm swing actions. In the end, the Hall of Fame is full of all different types of techniques, and I have never found just one technique, method or system that works best for everyone. That is why I call my approach the New Horizons Golf Approach. It isn't a technique, nor a method, nor a system. It strives to understand and use all viable techniques and it strives to coach them and employ them all properly and most effectively for the individual student in front of me at any given point in time. Funny thing is, over the years I've heard of and studied dozens of methods and systems that claim that work for everyone. And they all say if it didn't work for the individual it was simply employed improperly. I find that claim a cop-out and excuse. In my experience there are always other options and the goal is to help the golfer find the option that is most sustainable to him or her to play their best and most consistent golf. I certainly don't know everything, no one does. But I am extremely happy with my success rate with my students from all levels from beginners improving to Tour Players improving.
I wish I could never release too early, my club head passes my hands before impact sometimes and left it goes, really annoying, almost threw my clubs in the dumpster several times. If you could fix this I'd give you a Benjamin. I used to hit it so solid and straight and now left and more left.
Jason Sechrist if you are releasing it, what you consider early, the release isn’t the issue. The body needs to be moving into impact properly as you are releasing and the clubface needs to be facing more right as it approaches impact. I’ve got a few other videos on this topic that address these concerns. In the transition you need to pressure to the lead foot and leg, so that the lead side will be dynamically ready to support the release actions. Once the transition is completed you can release as hard as you want. Only two things need to be integrated. First the clubface needs to be facing right enough approaching impact that you feel you will start the ball to the right, for a right handed golfer. Next, you will need your body to posture up enough through the ball and into the finish so that that action counters the realize.
eagolfpro hey, I watched your video about 10 times and one thing stuck out, hitting down on it. I think when all my problems started was when I started trying to shallow my swing out, I watched videos online. Well I just got back from the range and let me tell you I haven't hit balls that solid in two years. I was getting almost to the bottom of the swing and my hands would stall and the club head would pass my hands, by that time all of my lag was gone out the window. Thanks for the advice, just by hitting down automatically gets my body through and solid contact and the correct shaft lean with the club face square. I was even able to open the face and hit a fade, something I haven't been able to do in two years. You saved my golf swing, Thanks.
I power my swing with my left hand like moe norman, because I got tired of fracturing bones in my right trial wrist when I hit tree roots when I have to hit shots from under a tree. I prefer a swing like Monte Montgomery and Moe Norman
Pretty silly comment actually. If you are near a tree and have a big root in your way you will certainly play more defensively instead of releasing fully. Making a full swing with any technique into a thick root will likely cause problems. However I have been playing for 42 years and coaching for some 30 years and have never had the issue of anyone breaking the trail wrist on a thick root, or a root of any kind. I have inadvertently had my club hit a root that wasn't visible at address and have never had it happen to myself either.
Sounds like you spend a lot of your golfing hours in the woods. But, with all the bone fractures, you might not get much playing time. Confusing. Perhaps you are doing something wrong.@@lukedanielborel3628
golfevrythng1975 same thing I was thinking. If the bottom of your swing is supposed to be under you left under arm those divots look really far behind.
Hello golfevrything1975, the camera angle is a bit off to show the exact ball position. I'm playing those shots a bit to the left and that makes the ball look a bit further back than it is. With that said, I am playing the ball back. That was an 8 iron or 9iron. As the clubs get shorter I play them more back because the short the club is the more it is built with forward lean in the shaft. I don't coach one ball position for every club in the bag. I also don't coach the ball position in relations to the feet. I look at ball position in relations to the sternum and I do that for a variety of reasons.
David Young, if you truly understand the physics of what is happening and understand what is happening in 3 dimensionsm, as well as the variance in club design from the shorter clubs to the longer clubs then you won't necessarily see the bottom of the arc under your left under arm. That is an over simplification of what is really happening. The club is contacting the ball first, then the ground with the shots flighted the way they were intended and covering the intended distance. If that is the case, then it is working well.
Don't know who that is. However many teachers teach returning to a different position than address. That can be for a variety of reasons. One being maybe they set the hands more centered at address and return the hands more forward. However for those holding angle for too long they need to unhinge the angles sooner and the image of returning the hands and club to address works well. Additonally, as they are returning the hands and club toward address in their focus they will also be pressuring the lead foot and posturing up which moves the hands slightly forward without trying to do so. The effect of the hands being a bit forward of where they started happens as compared to an intention. There are certainly many ways to get the job done, and that is why I present many different ways of accomplishing the good performance.
That is actually a myth. There is no strict body release that delivers the club through the ball properly without an educated arm swing including properly wrists unhinging for match the body motion. And as I mention, which Nicklaus also expressed, if your body is supporting this action you can release it as hard as you want and never hook it! Most golfers dream of doing that! If you have a good arm swing you can compete even if you don’t have the best body motion. However if you have a great body action and a poor arm swing you can’t compete at any level.
I feel like this is the technique that a lot of professionals use to release the clubhead, but I have always been taught that it should not be a conscious action, and that the handle dragging is the correct "feel" you should have. However when I do the handle dragging/letting the body square the clubface thing, I struggle with hitting blocks. But then when I actively try to square the clubhead with my hands, i tend to have too much of a hook. What is the technique to consciously release the club without the tendency to hit a hook? Does the answer lie in your setup with the knowledge of when the release will occur, and just putting the ball in the correct position? Any help here would be great. Thanks.
+casey liveringhouse the answer is typically in the way you apply vertical force. Typically golfers that hook it when they release well are simply releasing great without using the body in a complimentary manner. In you case I would guess that you need to posture up more. Instead of staying down and rotating in posture, post-up and allow torso to posture up as well as allow your head to release upward sooner. Usually a bit more vertical load and pressuring at address helps.
So EA, please clear up some confusion for me: are you saying that at impact the club shaft is in line as it is at address with the same loft or as I understand from other teachers, the handle and therefore the shaft should be leaning past the ball at impact to deloft the club head which makes it go further and also to allow a divot? Additionally, does the hands forward at impact or in line allow a back spin shot when approaching a green? Thanks.
Robert Bernard, never said that anywhere in the video. Good players do deloft the club from address to impact as a general rule. Some more than others. However, are they actually trying to move the handle forward or is something else causing that to happen. In general something else is causing it to happen, more specifically the proper body motions. The point of the video is that great golfers deliver the club thru impact with losing angle instead of lagging it through the ball. Even golfers that look like they have a lot of lagged angle through impact, the have more of it just before impact and less of it after impact. They are unhinging the wrists as they are applying force to the handle in order to deliver force with the clubhead through the ball. The arms and hands need to be educated to deliver the force and they body needs to be used to create the force and transport the arm swing.
After watching this & the heavy heavy videos, it seems that at impact, you speak of coming up to make room for the club & arms to straighten & release.If not, you'd hit the ball fat. Could coming up at that point not cause thin shots. You obviously have to come up at some point but it seems as tho it might be a bit too soon. Having your experience & expertise, it's not an issue for you but I can't help wonder about the weekend golfer. Or, am I missing something?
You are missing the fact that if anyone releases properly with the release working down, out and through they will need to make vertical room for the release. I work with weekend golfers everyday that posture up and release it hard down and through. If you posture up and experience thin shots then you didn't smash down and through heavy enough. This stay in posture stuff has been brainwashed into the game way too much.
Why would you say the title should be "flip the............."? If you know anything about body mechanics and swing mechanics and listen to all the points of the video you would realize that you won't flip it at all. The key is to understand the process instead of criticize it. I mention that the body must be moving into impact and technically the posturing up action support delivery all the way to the full extension. For some golfers the harder and faster they try to throw the clubhead into impact the better they accomplish transitional lag with the proper unhinging through impact and into the extension. Many great players have performed tremendously with this image and concept. For others we focus on getting proper force into the handle by the end of the transition and then smash through impact. The two biggest issues are either trying to delay the release too long and/or failing to use dynamic posturing to support delivery.
+eagolfpro I'm a serial flipper, its a late flip and the bad ball goes low and left. Today I was practicing almost letting go with the bottom hand and really making it inactive throughout the downswing. I.e. the opposite of what your describing here. The lead to an astonishing feeling of actually releasing the club without flipping and effortless power. Does this mean I'm too right side dominant, and not using the body correctly? I'm really confused but I'm pretty sure I'm going to carry on 'pulling' until the flip left shot is totally eliminated as it seems to work better than anything else I've tried and the feeling of the no flip release was addictive. I will keep trying to use the body more as well. Once I'm starting to see blocks out to the right I could maybe start thinking about what you are describing here.
2k10clarky, thanks for you comment. The releasing it from the top video works very well for two types of habitual conditions, one being the player that holds the wrist angles too long and is trying to drag the clubhead through the ball too much. It also works for golfers that release the club while keeping their hands well behind their linkage point and become early flippers doing so. Those golfers often find that when attempting to throw harder from the top they actually get force into the handle better during the transition and then smash the release at the bottom and that greatly helps getting the hands more forward, moves the bottom forward, however also allows the release to happen properly. By the way, many of those golfers let go with the right hand at the bottom, ie Fred Couples, Phil Mickelson (left hand) and Vijay Singh. I have videos showing a proper release with a dominant right hand and letting go of the club at the bottom. However ultimately we want both hands to work properly. I have some smash bag videos on my member group where I show smashing with right hand only and left hand only and both hands on the club. Most people are good with one arm or the other and one are actually gets in the way of the process. You could possibly be a late flipper because you hold on with the right hand tooo long, thus the late flip. However it just may be that your right arm action is insufficient along with your body action. However you may presently smash better with the lead arm and if that is the case you are better off playing with that action until your can learn to do it effectively with both the right and the left arms independent of each other. Ultimately the body compliments both actions and is used to produce power.
And if you think that you probably can't hit an 8 iron 25 yards. If you practice this move, you get the club moving at maximum velocity with minimal effort, hands in front of the ball at impact and maximum compression with a stable club face. It is the complete opposite of a flip.
you are not releasing your wrists because they are at the same position as at address-release is actually the straightening of the right arm -dont believe me then try this address the ball with a pitching wedge just bend your right arm no turn or other body movement then straighten your right arm watch the ball go-have it as one swing thought during your swing it works .this baffles the pros because they don't understand at the real swing power source
bens grandad, I get what you are trying to say, however biomechanically your are incorrect. There are different release actions first of all. All release actions involve the straightening of the angles in the arms toward extension. By definition both the wrists and the trail elbow are moving from a hinged attitude toward extension. From the top to impact the wrists are unhinging. They are not at the same angle at the top, halfway down, waist-high, or even a foot before impact as they are at impact. Yes the right arm is extending, and for some golfers sooner than others, and some later than others. I have videos showing actions similar to what you are describing, and I have even performed them and have them measured on 3D analysis systems. The fact is, the lead wrist is moving from flexion to extension during the delivery segment of the stroke which continues through impact and into the full extension, and the trail wrist is moving from extension to flexion. Some happen sooner and to a greater degree than others, and some later and/or to a lesser degree, however it is still happening.
the wrist angle change is very small also the right shoulder coming through on the correct plane is critical -thanks for the videos they are very informative -you should come to west yorkshire england and try and educate some of our club pro,s who are more interested in selling you clubs than improving your swing
bens grandad the wrist angle change is not small in most swings! Once again it isn't the change from snap shots at address an impact, it is the change that occurs during delivery. Additionally even in swings that may look like the change is less, the change is significant when measured biomecanically. Players like Steve Stricker, JB Holmes, Dustin Johnson, etc have a significant application of force being applied through the handle by the wrists and hands applying force and torques in the handle facilitated largely by the wrist actions that make up a good portion of the realease. I have studied it extensively!
bens grandad I also address the trail shoulder action in my coaching. Though I don't know anything about you beside your two posts you seem to be stuck in a model approach. I don't do that. I coach all viable techniques based on my studies and coach the techniques that best fit the individual in front of me. If you did any research on me you would know that! I have hundreds of videos on UA-cam addressing those differences. I have also written 28 books to date and am writing 6 more presently. Additionally not sure if your last comment about Yorkshire is an honest attempt at an invite or a verbal slap in the face. Fact is I have coach hundreds of professionals around the world. Mike Adams and I co-founded BioSwing Dynamics and we work with a variety of Biomechanists around the world, as well as many top instructors.
It's awful easy to talk about the swing when you already have one naturally.....nobody thinks anything during a swing, your brain is only focused on hitting the ball....it's too short a period of time to actually think or have 5 different swing thoughts.
I think most mid to higher handicap golfers would not benefit from watching this. Throwing the clubhead at the ball, and releasing the right hand hard as you extend through impact will likely lead to flipping and hooks. Focusing on the hands without really understanding what the lower body should be doing (weight pressure, turning, opening) can be a frustrating learning process.
I work with mid to higher handicap golfers all the time and many of them benefit greatly from this type of instructions. Understanding what a good release pattern is for them is just as important as for handle draggers. Of course they also need to understand how to use the body properly. in this video as in others where I discuss these types of techniques I also mention that the golfer needs to be using the body properly.
I'm a golf instructor, and I've been teaching this to students for years. This is the single best, right to the point video that I have ever seen. I watched hundreds and hundreds of them.
I keep trying to find another way to swing the golf club, but I always come back to this method.
It is also very body friendly.
You should be a coach, not an 'instructor'
Love the swing thoughts and I could listen to that sound of impact all day!
The death concept in the game is the very notion of "swing". We don't swing the golf club. We throw the clubhead. 35 year golf pro instructor here.
This was a great video.
I agree 100 percent and here’s why.
Considering the mass of our hands on the handle of the club is in natural opposition to the mass nearing the end of the shaft to the head of the club. The only way to quickly release our angle from the top of the club is to initiate with a whipping motion of our hands at the very top of our downswing. Another words John Daly almost had it right,. My one and only swing thought is to ‘ Grip it and Whip it from the very top of my downswing. I swear At 73 I feel like a professional golfer as the club head takes over my hands and wrist swinging my right arm around myself at the finish of my swing. Cheers
Tiger talks about this concept. He says he "feels" like the club head is passing his hands, even if in reality they are closer to even. It should be taught as a critical golf fundamental. I gained another 50 yds total distance on the driver, yesterday, nearly driving the green! I need to start working on my "baby toss" for the Eagle. Good stuff, EA. (my 1st comment.)
that's a beautiful sounding strike, I'd be happy to be striking the ball that well. it looks effortless too
Such a great tip. I was a handle dragger for 20 yrs. Wish would have had someone teach me this so long ago. Striking is so easy now. Thankyou for this video.
This is a great video and he explains it correctly. I do exactly he does. For me I feel like my hands get to the ball and my club snaps thru, not drags. He explains it really well.
Didn't need to watch this, just listened to the strike, awesome.
I'm a high spin player who battles a "early release" , but this idea of releasing at the top seems to work amazingly well. Thanks!
Many golfers need the arms to be catching up to the center of the body instead of having the body lead the arms into impact. If you are one of those golfers it will help.
Great video. I've been trying to figure this out for years and to get the answer and the results is amazing! I hit it 25 yards further with my pitching wedge almost 150 yards!
Mister Tischler i wanted to thank you personally to the bottomn of my heart litterally ! I rode a book (another one) titled "Best driving instruction book" from David DeNunzio. It's a collection of the best instructors medley. In your section there was a sentence that almost went unnoticed which is for me the secret of golf on what really produces the release ! Never heard of in the hundreds books and mags and thousands of you tube videos ! I tried and went experimenting whoooooosh brand new ball flight, distance, finish, compression etc and etcs THANKS and happy new year 2018
Thanks for your prompt and informative reply which swing do you recommend dominant body action or both together thanks for your help Kylie advise Jack
You said people comment about the sound of your impacts. The best I've ever heard with current day players is Stenson & your sounds exactly like his. Very sweet!
+Mike Rodrick Stenson's ball striking has one of the best sounds of all present players.
@@eagolfpro Fowler as well!!
E A, I think you are correct. The concept I personally use is to try to "up cock" the club head on the follow though. The only way I can accomplish this is to start to release as soon as I Start the down swing. If there is a flip, it seems to happen after impact. I'm 63, can get about 108 MPH clubbed speed on a driver...about 265 yards carry on a solid strike...
I happened across a video that had Ledbetter talking to some teaching pros about a different swing he's come up with which shows the forearms NOT rolling over each other as was always what most are teaching & taught before. When it's shown in slow motion, it looks much like Jim Furyk's loop from the top. There was a famous photo of Hogan that actually showed the face of the club pointing back over the top of his head in his follow thru. After all this time of Ledbetter teaching the arm roll, he suddenly comes up with this. If memory serves, I believe he's calling it the A swing.
Genius. Truly outstanding.
This is an important video, thank you. Do you feel like this type of throwing release would be best for golfers as they get older, and begin to lose some flexibility making body action more difficult?
Thanks for the comment. It really depends on the golfer whether it is more of a throwing action or some other release pattern. However more golfers need to feel they are unhinging much soon than later. The key in my opinion is learning the proper unhinging pattern then marrying it with the proper body actions and pressure shifts so that the golfer is linked up properly through impact.
What’s more likely to cause pop ups with driver closed club face or handle dragging? Great looking golf swing
@@jeffp2001 steep angle of attack compared to swinging up through the ball!
@@eagolfpro ok I already realize that.. I have an instructor say I drag the handle to much causing a steep popping up drives and I’ve had another thinks my closed club face at top of swing is my problem. What’s your best shallowing drill? Thx
Thanks for this vid!
I used to have a bad flip and now drag. Lol🤷♂️🤦♂️
Great video. I am holding back. I have a question and hope you could be helpful. I have chicken wing in follow through stage when one looks down the line camera view.. Do you think it is because I am holding the release? Thank you.
May I know what is the ball position for irons and driver ?
What Nicklaus meant by "release" is totally different than throwing away wrist angle. According to Mike Malaska, director of the Nicklaus teaching academy and a guy who has talked directly to Jack about his comment, Jack's idea of release was transitioning the club head from behind him at the top to back in front of him. It had nothing to do with lessening wrist angle. You can find Mike's conversation with Jack discussed on Mike Malaska's UA-cam channel.
I’ve heard Nicklaus taking about this multiple times in person. He never thought of lagging it. He specifically talked about getting from the transition to the full extension as fast as possible. And he also talked about restoring the radius. You can’t to either of those without unhinging. So though he might not of thought of unhinging intern way you are interpreting it, he did unhinge and he did talk about releasing from the top as well as getting to the full extension as fast as possible. Additionally there is plenty of research in biomechanics that shows that using the force couple to unhinge properly created more speed.
Seems different from other videos you say from the top you should start to unhinge and send the clubhead through impact with rotation of body and the hands and clubhead threw the ball at the same time doesn't this cause casting which I have been told is my main problem let me know thanks for your help Jack
Hello Jack, releasing is simply unhinging the wrists in a manner that sends the club down plane and towards the full extension. The release is completed at the full extension. I define casting as unhinge off plane. Unhinging down plane is just unhinging. In this video I do mention that the body compliments the release and that the hands are returning through their address location as we are unhinging. Keep in mind that in most of the videos I’ve posted on UA-cam are explaining valid patterns! That doesn’t mean they are absolutely for everyone! For example there are players that develop a dominant body action and then find a complementary arms swing and release pattern. On the other hand there are golfers that develop a dominant arm swing and find a complimentary body action! Then there are players that have more equal partners in body and arms swing. This type of arms swing and release worked great for Nicklaus! It also worked for Hogan! However the both describe the need for a body action that compliments the arm swing. With this type of arm swing you still need to use the ground properly, with a good transitional pressure shift and you need to posture up well through the ball as well! The main point is using a sound release instead of trying to drag or pull on the handle too much!
You know Ed, for years I've been taught about the handle drag, flat left wrist, etc., etc. all it's done is make it more frustrating. UNTIL I saw this and your other release videos, all I can say is wow! and thank you! With it being my ONLY swing thought, I'm hitting the ball so much more solid and of course further! Like Brendon asked, would this also work with the driver?
+cryogene Thanks for your comments. Here are some similar concepts being employed with the driver: ua-cam.com/video/71tGxfTOwtM/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/wGBd8U_1XPA/v-deo.html, ua-cam.com/video/Odk5RhsIpuM/v-deo.html,
Is the club in the middle of the stance or further back? Where's the ball w the Driver?
You have a set up like many good golfers, left elbow pointing at the target, right elbow open. If I would do that then my right shoulder comes forward to the targetline and is in a dominant position and hit all bad shots.
you play the ball quite back in your stance and you have a quiet hip action before impact. correct? how do you adapt for woods, especially driver? still square stance?
Thanks great video
Great swing!
Greetings EA,
Thank you very much for the videos, as they are helpful.
1.) Are you actively bowing your wrist through impact (by twisting the handle) or 2.) Are you squaring the club sole through body rotation; 3.) Or are you squaring the club face with twisting the handle along with body rotation?
Thanks!
Jp
Hi EA.
Big fan of your work.
A few questions.
1. What club do you hit here? And to me IT looks like your ballposition is just inside your rightfoot?
2. "let the club pass your hands " ? What's your view on TGM and what mr Kelly has to say about flat left wrist etc.
3. Thanks for teaching me posture release! Made my first Hole in one this Monday 🤗 played for over 20 years.
Keep up the good work
Best regards Mikael
detterberg1, as far as the club it was either an 8 iron or 9 iron. Camera angle is a bit off making it look a bit further back then it is. I look at ball position in relations to the sternum position more than the feet. My 7 iron is below my sternum with 8, 9 and wedges behind the sternum. 6 iron more forward and progressively moving more forward with each longer club. Also, I coach 5 possible ball positions for each club (not that all players need to use all 5 or are comfortable with all 5). There is your standard position, one ball forward, one ball back, two balls back and three balls back. We make some adjustments for each ball position. As far as TGM, there are many players that can be seen with a flatter left wrist at impact, however biomechanically they are all moving from more flexed to more extended. Those that seem to be lagging it longer are swinging with what I call Under attributes and either center or forward linkage alignments. There are many different types of stroke patterns that are available. Many have tried to lag it and hold the angle too long and it caused tremendous problems. Many need to throw it harder and sooner. Even those that throw it or release it sooner you will see some type of flat left wrist attribute at the moment of impact. It just doesnt mean that the angle is being held. Keep up the good work.
Great video E.A! This is deep! I am on a similar trail with the "release". Im almost thinking of it as more of a pivot motion with a fulcrum. To me it feels like the top of the grip is the fulcrum. So in the downswing when I am getting to a parallel feeling it seems like rather than dragging the handle you should be slowing the handle? It feels like if I was on a motorcycle getting up to 100 mph then SLAMMING the brakes. Thats what I feel like I'm doing with the clubs grip. Slamming the brakes with the top of the grip then it's all my body adjusting to the ridiculous momentum. From there I just control which direction/and timing the club is pivoting to(down my target line, out to right field etc). It's the CLUB pivoting to my lines NOT my body, arms etc going to them. Does this make sense? I heard you mention force in the grip? So are you trying to "catch up" with the right arm or "slow down" the handle? I know its probably some of both. Would love to hear your thoughts.
You have a beautiful swing.
so if i understand this correctly , you need to posture up or you would flip it . is posturing up a similar concept to keeping the club ' in front' of the body ?
lag is created by using your legs properly the legs drive the golf swing making the arms follow thus creating a whip like action between the upper and lower body. Go check out Ben Hogan...and remember loose wrists
Have you light hands on that grip?
It is obvious that EA Tischler is more than a competent instructor, and perhaps an even finer ball striker. However, there are others, and I believe that--I guess--we all have to find what works for us. I appreciate this lesson because I'm sure there are many out there trying to 'drag' to lag etc...and maybe this video will indeed help. Perhaps I'm one of them. I'll just add, that in slow-mo, EA Tischler has tons more lag than my swing (looked closely at both)....I'm thinking that professionals that strike the ball as well as Tischler have swing thought that fight their natural weaknesses...in this case, Tischler might create too much lag and releasing early is a 'thought' that makes his swing perfect. Tom Watson talks about 'coming over the top' LOL...I'm pretty sure if I try to come over the top, I will accomplish nothing. 2c. BTW, Thank you! Your instruction is solid, it is my imperfect talent that meanders and tries to make sense of this great game we all love.
wreckim, I you have studied my approach at all, or that of BioSwing Dynamics (which Mike Adams and I are the co-founders of) you would know that we customize the coaching process for each golfer. I would say, you don't have to have a swing thought that fights your natural weaknesses. Not sure we all have natural weakness, maybe more like conditioned responses and habits. Anyway, my approach is to focus more on what needs to happen and what needs to be accomplished. I don't believe in fixing or fighting tendencies. I create a plan, focus on the plan and manage the plan. In fact, I do not create too much 'lag', nor do I think of releasing early. I focus on the proper release action for me, and I develop a proper skill of releasing. I also created the proper posturing and pressure shifts for my biomechanics. Additionally I developed the proper force in the handle requirements. Now, what most people don't realize is that if they release hard, even from the top, you can have the perceived 'lag' angles simply by learning to use the body properly. By having the correct amount of translation of the COM, along with the proper pressure shifts under the feet, and the proper release, the so-called 'lag' angle will appear. By the proper release I mean applying force in the handle in such a way that the clubhead is somewhat following the hands from the inside, or behind the hands from a down-plane vlew, while at the same time using the force in the handle to smash with the clubhead. For me, the harder I try and smash with the clubhead the more 'lag' shows up without trying to get any 'lag", however I also release those angles before impact.
Wow. Thanks for taking the time to respond....did not expect it. I'll watch more lessons from you...honest. But I'm not sure I have the talent to understand the game at this level...or if having the talent to 'understand' is even relevant, as it appears that some are born with instincts that are superior to others (obviously)....but I would completely disagree with anyone that thinks that you cannot improve and perhaps reach much higher competitive levels simply because one's talent is limited...hard work and dedication are part and parcel of success in any endeavor. Thanks again!
Read his publications.He is thorough and understands how the body works. I've changed some patterns thanks to his approach and I'm hitting it as solid as ever.
It is with great peril that an amateur like me, that 'peaked' at about a 5-handicapp, has the gall to critique an instructor that has dedicated his life (or a major part of it) to his sport--and does at as fine as EA. I stand corrected--totally--on whatever I perceived as a 'weakness'...as I have watched other lessons from him now, and am beginning to fully realize his full arsenal of knowledge in the swing.
I promise, once you find what your ideal swing for your biomechanics is, it turns into a totally different sport.
Hogan never said that about releasing from the top brother. Further more Hogan did say he felt that in the downswing his left arm moved like he was pulling an arrow out of a quiver.
TheSeer101 Hogan absolutely did say it. He said a lot of things throughout his career and many times he said things that seemed to be contradictory to each other. However it was just that he said them about different techniques he was working on. And he said this about his swing once he believed he had figured it all out. I’ve talked to a variety of people that personally knew Hogan and they have all confirmed it. Both Nicklaus and Mike Austin also conveyed the same ideas. As long as the transition is performed properly and the body is contributing properly this is a great image. And if you do it without the body contributing properly then the flaw is to get the body contributing properly!
@@eagolfpro You are full of more shit than a Christmas turkey. There is no where that he ever stated or wrote that. Don't tell me you heard it from somebody who knew Hogan, because that is BS too. Hogan stated "You release at the bottom" of the swing. Those are the masters exact words
TheSeer101 using profanity doesn’t make you correct. I never wrote that he wrote it. I wrote that he stated it. And I’ve heard it repeated many times by many players and teachers and a know a lot of teachers and players that have confirmed it. So just because you never heard it and don’t believe it doesn’t make it false. You aren’t the first to challenge it. I’ve posted it many times and others have claimed as you that he never said it. However many people have also confirmed that he said it. And if you have followed my videos and read my books enough you would know exactly why I’ve stated what I’ve stated and why it is a great image for many golfers. And the fact that both Nicklaus and Austin have also stated makes it even more valid. In the future please refrain from using profanity in your comments. It is simply unnecessary!
TheSeer101 by the way one of the people that told me he actually asked Hogan that specific question and Hogan told him to go to the top of the backswing. From there Hogan actually grabbed his left wrist and made the move from the top that Hogan wanted him to make. And it was definitely releasing from the top. However the body needs to be moving properly to compliment that action. Also trained someone that used to shag balls for Hogan, and he told me that Hogan told him the same thing. I will take their words over yours!
@@eagolfpro What are you easily triggered lmao!!! OK sir I will frame from profanity. You are a lair and he never said that. Hogan stated clearly on video it is released at the bottom of the swing and not the top. By the way, do yourself a favor and get rid of those goofy birth control glasses
Really good video , thanks
The handle is in my hands. Ill go with that.
I hit my best shots when I never STOP dragging the handle. I "feel" like I am still dragging the handle well after impact all the way to the finish. If your grip is very light and does not tense up during the swing the club will release automatically due to centripetal acceleration and you don't even have to think about releasing the club.
TheNYgolfer, what you are describing is certainly a viable option, however I see more golfers every year that have tried that approach and continued to fail being proficient at executing consistently. Many of those same golfers find it much easier to take a different approach, one where they feel they have a more active release. In my experience there are biomechanical reasons why golfers are successful with differing techniques. Some of those biomechanical factors are structural, some are dynamic and some are functional. In my view it is not about what technique is best it is about what is best for the individual golfer based on the amount of time and energy they commit and the biomechanical factors that influence their tendecies.
@@eagolfpro Handle dragging has one huge advantage over the method you are describing and that is that handle dragging requires no timing of the release. People who trash the method simply don't understand the method.
Under pressure , when that choke string gets really tight around the neck, that's when having to time a release gets real hairy.
Nicklaus never said "it's impossible to release the club too early". He said "it's impossible to release the club too early, as long as you move to your left side FIRST" . Big difference. So there is timing involved. He plants his front foot first, then releases the club. By the time he starts releasing the club his right elbow will have dropped down to his right hip. That's a big difference compared to releasing right from the top. Even if it just "feels" like the release is right from the top, that would still be too early.
3 most famous handle daggers I can think of are John Daly,Sergio Garcia and Moe Norman.
Moe and Daly both said they "pull like mad with the left arm and the right arm is just along for the ride".
Sergio said he pulls with both arms.
Anyone can learn the handle dragging method. If students fail to grasp it , it's because the teacher fails to properly teach it or doesn't fully understand it.
Oh, and I just thought of another famous handle dagger. Iron Byron.
Your method is a valid one of course, but it takes a lot of practice to get that timing down. Handle dragging requires little practice because the release is automatic and under pressure it's nice not to have to time anything.
@@TheNYgolfer it would be just as accurate to say that if you have timing issue with this approach that you simply don't truly understand it, how to coach it or how to employ it. Fact is there are a variety of was to play successfully. You call method being discussed in this video "Your Method" meaning My Method. It is just a method. I coach all kinds of techniques. And I do mention that the body needs to support the arms swing properly. Every athletic activity involves timing. If you reduce a timing influence in one area, you can it in another. Fact is there are plenty of players that need to learn how to release it harder, sooner and properly for them that requires it to be very different than handle dragging. I have plenty of videos showing that the angles are released later in the downswing instead of at the top in the players that successfully employ the method in this video. The fact is the way you apply force into the handle to employ this technique requires that the golfer focus on employing them much earlier than those that feel like they are handle dragging. There are plenty of people that have tried handle dragging and even doing it in a proper manner that failed to do so, just because it isn't the best method for the individual. You argue that anyone can do it. I disagree. You may assume that I don't know how to do it properly or coach it properly, and you would be wrong. In my approach the key is to figure out what works best and most consistently for the golfer in front of me. I have had thousands of students that have tried handle dragging over the years and failed. Have even helped them improve those techniques. Most of them ultimately played better and more consistently using a different technique. So, for those golfers that have failed miserably with handle dragging and were looking for another option I made this video. And as some of the other people that commented share, it has worked much better for them. Additionally I have had thousands of students over the years improve tremendously with this method, as with other methods.
@@TheNYgolfer I will add that no matter what golfers need to have both a good arm swing and a good body action. Some players are more what we would call body players and some are what we would call hands players. Body players play better having body cues in their focus more than arm/hand cues. Arms/Hands Players play better with arm/hands cues in their focus. Tiger Says plays with his hands. Phil Mickelson says he plays with his hands. Many great players all the way back to Henry Cotton and before say they played with their hands and used such techniques as described in this video. Of course this video short and doesn't cover everything that is needed. I have other videos touching on the same method explaining more of it. Also have plenty of videos for body players. My Making Your Golf Simple App helps each golfer find his or her best way. In my experience Body Players still need to spend a lot of time understanding their arm swing and internalizing the proper actions, so when they play with more body awareness simply trust their arm swings. Arms/Hands Players are the opposite, they need to internalize the body actions to a level they can trust them when playing with hands cues. This is one of the reason Tiger kept saying it was a process and he needed more time when he worked on his body actions. He need to internalize them to a level where they show up when he wasn't focusing on them. Plenty of people argue like you that their technique is the best and that anyone can do it. In my experience that isn't the case, for multiple reasons and influences. In general I believe golfers need to develop a sound arm swing, one that produce good clubface awareness and control, one that develops proper face to path control as well as start direction control and ball flight curvature control. I also believe they need to develop a good body/pivot action one that uses the internal kinetics properly to use the three ground forces properly, as well as linking the kinetic chain to transfer and multiple energy from the lower body, through the torso and then through the arm swing. Some golfers come to me with a functional arm swing and need to improve the body actions. Others come with functional body actions and need to improve the arm swing and especially delivery. Some have a mixed bag and need to improve both areas. In general I address three areas of action, ground interaction, body actions and arm swing actions. In the end, the Hall of Fame is full of all different types of techniques, and I have never found just one technique, method or system that works best for everyone. That is why I call my approach the New Horizons Golf Approach. It isn't a technique, nor a method, nor a system. It strives to understand and use all viable techniques and it strives to coach them and employ them all properly and most effectively for the individual student in front of me at any given point in time. Funny thing is, over the years I've heard of and studied dozens of methods and systems that claim that work for everyone. And they all say if it didn't work for the individual it was simply employed improperly. I find that claim a cop-out and excuse. In my experience there are always other options and the goal is to help the golfer find the option that is most sustainable to him or her to play their best and most consistent golf. I certainly don't know everything, no one does. But I am extremely happy with my success rate with my students from all levels from beginners improving to Tour Players improving.
28 books and 1 more to come!should I buy them all!which dozen do you recommend?
Don't pull, don't push!
Throw the clubhead around the circle : Mike Austin.
What a smash!
I wish I could never release too early, my club head passes my hands before impact sometimes and left it goes, really annoying, almost threw my clubs in the dumpster several times. If you could fix this I'd give you a Benjamin. I used to hit it so solid and straight and now left and more left.
Jason Sechrist if you are releasing it, what you consider early, the release isn’t the issue. The body needs to be moving into impact properly as you are releasing and the clubface needs to be facing more right as it approaches impact. I’ve got a few other videos on this topic that address these concerns. In the transition you need to pressure to the lead foot and leg, so that the lead side will be dynamically ready to support the release actions. Once the transition is completed you can release as hard as you want. Only two things need to be integrated. First the clubface needs to be facing right enough approaching impact that you feel you will start the ball to the right, for a right handed golfer. Next, you will need your body to posture up enough through the ball and into the finish so that that action counters the realize.
eagolfpro hey, I watched your video about 10 times and one thing stuck out, hitting down on it. I think when all my problems started was when I started trying to shallow my swing out, I watched videos online. Well I just got back from the range and let me tell you I haven't hit balls that solid in two years. I was getting almost to the bottom of the swing and my hands would stall and the club head would pass my hands, by that time all of my lag was gone out the window. Thanks for the advice, just by hitting down automatically gets my body through and solid contact and the correct shaft lean with the club face square. I was even able to open the face and hit a fade, something I haven't been able to do in two years. You saved my golf swing, Thanks.
That looks like a good way to break your trail right wrist if you hit a thick root with the clubhead.
I power my swing with my left hand like moe norman, because I got tired of fracturing bones in my right trial wrist when I hit tree roots when I have to hit shots from under a tree. I prefer a swing like Monte Montgomery and Moe Norman
Pretty silly comment actually. If you are near a tree and have a big root in your way you will certainly play more defensively instead of releasing fully. Making a full swing with any technique into a thick root will likely cause problems. However I have been playing for 42 years and coaching for some 30 years and have never had the issue of anyone breaking the trail wrist on a thick root, or a root of any kind. I have inadvertently had my club hit a root that wasn't visible at address and have never had it happen to myself either.
Sounds like you spend a lot of your golfing hours in the woods. But, with all the bone fractures, you might not get much playing time. Confusing. Perhaps you are doing something wrong.@@lukedanielborel3628
Good stuff man .tq
is the ball position off your right foot? It looks like it in the video. thanks. Good stuff by the way. I enjoy your videos
golfevrythng1975 same thing I was thinking. If the bottom of your swing is supposed to be under you left under arm those divots look really far behind.
Hello golfevrything1975, the camera angle is a bit off to show the exact ball position. I'm playing those shots a bit to the left and that makes the ball look a bit further back than it is. With that said, I am playing the ball back. That was an 8 iron or 9iron. As the clubs get shorter I play them more back because the short the club is the more it is built with forward lean in the shaft. I don't coach one ball position for every club in the bag. I also don't coach the ball position in relations to the feet. I look at ball position in relations to the sternum and I do that for a variety of reasons.
David Young, if you truly understand the physics of what is happening and understand what is happening in 3 dimensionsm, as well as the variance in club design from the shorter clubs to the longer clubs then you won't necessarily see the bottom of the arc under your left under arm. That is an over simplification of what is really happening. The club is contacting the ball first, then the ground with the shots flighted the way they were intended and covering the intended distance. If that is the case, then it is working well.
would love to see this with driver
+BE BETTER GOLF thanks for your message. See the message from cryogene.
thunder impact sound
Gold.
bernie cordle said do NOT return to the address position
Don't know who that is. However many teachers teach returning to a different position than address. That can be for a variety of reasons. One being maybe they set the hands more centered at address and return the hands more forward. However for those holding angle for too long they need to unhinge the angles sooner and the image of returning the hands and club to address works well. Additonally, as they are returning the hands and club toward address in their focus they will also be pressuring the lead foot and posturing up which moves the hands slightly forward without trying to do so. The effect of the hands being a bit forward of where they started happens as compared to an intention. There are certainly many ways to get the job done, and that is why I present many different ways of accomplishing the good performance.
Sounds like this takes more timing than a body release.
That is actually a myth. There is no strict body release that delivers the club through the ball properly without an educated arm swing including properly wrists unhinging for match the body motion. And as I mention, which Nicklaus also expressed, if your body is supporting this action you can release it as hard as you want and never hook it! Most golfers dream of doing that! If you have a good arm swing you can compete even if you don’t have the best body motion. However if you have a great body action and a poor arm swing you can’t compete at any level.
I feel like this is the technique that a lot of professionals use to release the clubhead, but I have always been taught that it should not be a conscious action, and that the handle dragging is the correct "feel" you should have. However when I do the handle dragging/letting the body square the clubface thing, I struggle with hitting blocks. But then when I actively try to square the clubhead with my hands, i tend to have too much of a hook. What is the technique to consciously release the club without the tendency to hit a hook? Does the answer lie in your setup with the knowledge of when the release will occur, and just putting the ball in the correct position? Any help here would be great. Thanks.
+casey liveringhouse the answer is typically in the way you apply vertical force. Typically golfers that hook it when they release well are simply releasing great without using the body in a complimentary manner. In you case I would guess that you need to posture up more. Instead of staying down and rotating in posture, post-up and allow torso to posture up as well as allow your head to release upward sooner. Usually a bit more vertical load and pressuring at address helps.
Anther one who advocated this was Mike Austin.
So EA, please clear up some confusion for me: are you saying that at impact the club shaft is in line as it is at address with the same loft or as I understand from other teachers, the handle and therefore the shaft should be leaning past the ball at impact to deloft the club head which makes it go further and also to allow a divot? Additionally, does the hands forward at impact or in line allow a back spin shot when approaching a green? Thanks.
Robert Bernard, never said that anywhere in the video. Good players do deloft the club from address to impact as a general rule. Some more than others. However, are they actually trying to move the handle forward or is something else causing that to happen. In general something else is causing it to happen, more specifically the proper body motions. The point of the video is that great golfers deliver the club thru impact with losing angle instead of lagging it through the ball. Even golfers that look like they have a lot of lagged angle through impact, the have more of it just before impact and less of it after impact. They are unhinging the wrists as they are applying force to the handle in order to deliver force with the clubhead through the ball. The arms and hands need to be educated to deliver the force and they body needs to be used to create the force and transport the arm swing.
After watching this & the heavy heavy videos, it seems that at impact, you speak of coming up to make room for the club & arms to straighten & release.If not, you'd hit the ball fat. Could coming up at that point not cause thin shots. You obviously have to come up at some point but it seems as tho it might be a bit too soon. Having your experience & expertise, it's not an issue for you but I can't help wonder about the weekend golfer. Or, am I missing something?
You are missing the fact that if anyone releases properly with the release working down, out and through they will need to make vertical room for the release. I work with weekend golfers everyday that posture up and release it hard down and through. If you posture up and experience thin shots then you didn't smash down and through heavy enough. This stay in posture stuff has been brainwashed into the game way too much.
This video should be called "how to flip the shit out of it"
Why would you say the title should be "flip the............."? If you know anything about body mechanics and swing mechanics and listen to all the points of the video you would realize that you won't flip it at all. The key is to understand the process instead of criticize it. I mention that the body must be moving into impact and technically the posturing up action support delivery all the way to the full extension. For some golfers the harder and faster they try to throw the clubhead into impact the better they accomplish transitional lag with the proper unhinging through impact and into the extension. Many great players have performed tremendously with this image and concept. For others we focus on getting proper force into the handle by the end of the transition and then smash through impact. The two biggest issues are either trying to delay the release too long and/or failing to use dynamic posturing to support delivery.
+eagolfpro I'm a serial flipper, its a late flip and the bad ball goes low and left. Today I was practicing almost letting go with the bottom hand and really making it inactive throughout the downswing. I.e. the opposite of what your describing here. The lead to an astonishing feeling of actually releasing the club without flipping and effortless power. Does this mean I'm too right side dominant, and not using the body correctly? I'm really confused but I'm pretty sure I'm going to carry on 'pulling' until the flip left shot is totally eliminated as it seems to work better than anything else I've tried and the feeling of the no flip release was addictive. I will keep trying to use the body more as well. Once I'm starting to see blocks out to the right I could maybe start thinking about what you are describing here.
2k10clarky, thanks for you comment. The releasing it from the top video works very well for two types of habitual conditions, one being the player that holds the wrist angles too long and is trying to drag the clubhead through the ball too much. It also works for golfers that release the club while keeping their hands well behind their linkage point and become early flippers doing so. Those golfers often find that when attempting to throw harder from the top they actually get force into the handle better during the transition and then smash the release at the bottom and that greatly helps getting the hands more forward, moves the bottom forward, however also allows the release to happen properly. By the way, many of those golfers let go with the right hand at the bottom, ie Fred Couples, Phil Mickelson (left hand) and Vijay Singh. I have videos showing a proper release with a dominant right hand and letting go of the club at the bottom. However ultimately we want both hands to work properly. I have some smash bag videos on my member group where I show smashing with right hand only and left hand only and both hands on the club. Most people are good with one arm or the other and one are actually gets in the way of the process. You could possibly be a late flipper because you hold on with the right hand tooo long, thus the late flip. However it just may be that your right arm action is insufficient along with your body action. However you may presently smash better with the lead arm and if that is the case you are better off playing with that action until your can learn to do it effectively with both the right and the left arms independent of each other. Ultimately the body compliments both actions and is used to produce power.
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And if you think that you probably can't hit an 8 iron 25 yards.
If you practice this move, you get the club moving at maximum velocity with minimal effort, hands in front of the ball at impact and maximum compression with a stable club face. It is the complete opposite of a flip.
you are not releasing your wrists because they are at the same position as at address-release is actually the straightening of the right arm -dont believe me then try this address the ball with a pitching wedge just bend your right arm no turn or other body movement then straighten your right arm watch the ball go-have it as one swing thought during your swing it works .this baffles the pros because they don't understand at the real swing power source
bens grandad, I get what you are trying to say, however biomechanically your are incorrect. There are different release actions first of all. All release actions involve the straightening of the angles in the arms toward extension. By definition both the wrists and the trail elbow are moving from a hinged attitude toward extension. From the top to impact the wrists are unhinging. They are not at the same angle at the top, halfway down, waist-high, or even a foot before impact as they are at impact. Yes the right arm is extending, and for some golfers sooner than others, and some later than others. I have videos showing actions similar to what you are describing, and I have even performed them and have them measured on 3D analysis systems. The fact is, the lead wrist is moving from flexion to extension during the delivery segment of the stroke which continues through impact and into the full extension, and the trail wrist is moving from extension to flexion. Some happen sooner and to a greater degree than others, and some later and/or to a lesser degree, however it is still happening.
the wrist angle change is very small also the right shoulder coming through on the correct plane is critical -thanks for the videos they are very informative -you should come to west yorkshire england and try and educate some of our club pro,s who are more interested in selling you clubs than improving your swing
bens grandad the wrist angle change is not small in most swings! Once again it isn't the change from snap shots at address an impact, it is the change that occurs during delivery. Additionally even in swings that may look like the change is less, the change is significant when measured biomecanically. Players like Steve Stricker, JB Holmes, Dustin Johnson, etc have a significant application of force being applied through the handle by the wrists and hands applying force and torques in the handle facilitated largely by the wrist actions that make up a good portion of the realease. I have studied it extensively!
bens grandad I also address the trail shoulder action in my coaching. Though I don't know anything about you beside your two posts you seem to be stuck in a model approach. I don't do that. I coach all viable techniques based on my studies and coach the techniques that best fit the individual in front of me. If you did any research on me you would know that! I have hundreds of videos on UA-cam addressing those differences. I have also written 28 books to date and am writing 6 more presently. Additionally not sure if your last comment about Yorkshire is an honest attempt at an invite or a verbal slap in the face. Fact is I have coach hundreds of professionals around the world. Mike Adams and I co-founded BioSwing Dynamics and we work with a variety of Biomechanists around the world, as well as many top instructors.
It's awful easy to talk about the swing when you already have one naturally.....nobody thinks anything during a swing, your brain is only focused on hitting the ball....it's too short a period of time to actually think or have 5 different swing thoughts.
I think most mid to higher handicap golfers would not benefit from watching this. Throwing the clubhead at the ball, and releasing the right hand hard as you extend through impact will likely lead to flipping and hooks. Focusing on the hands without really understanding what the lower body should be doing (weight pressure, turning, opening) can be a frustrating learning process.
I work with mid to higher handicap golfers all the time and many of them benefit greatly from this type of instructions. Understanding what a good release pattern is for them is just as important as for handle draggers. Of course they also need to understand how to use the body properly. in this video as in others where I discuss these types of techniques I also mention that the golfer needs to be using the body properly.