Dan Le Batard Tells Stephen A. Smith He Hates What He and Skip Bayless Did to Sports Media | Best Of
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Stephen A. Smith joined Dan Le Batard on an episode of South Beach Sessions earlier this year to discuss his new book and his impressive climb to the top of sports media and beyond. During the interview Dan told Stephen A. that he hates what sports media has become since Stephen A. and Skip Bayless' success with First Take because of all the copy cat shows and formats that don't do it nearly as well as those two. The moment is part of our 'Best Of: Hate Hot Takes' series.
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Stephen is so used to arguing that's all he can do anymore
and it paid off, so shutup already
Well he is from New York😂😂😂
He can’t even speak in a normal tone.
@@joshbutler8147 he don't have to talk like you or your peers, y'all weird
Really good point.
Thank you Dan. Thank you Dan.Thank you Dan. I love Le Batard because he is always honest - and his show is pretty funny too.
He's not honest because he was part of the problem UNTIL he left ESPN 😂
Dan is and has always been mad that he can't do it like Skip or SAS.
Wtf he does the same thing what gives him the right to call out Stephen a smith ?
Amen. Integrity should be applauded.
The fact he is yelling the whole time even in this proves the point.
SAS doesn't even understand that he has become a parody of himself at this point. He's unwatchable. The fact that SAS thinks that he and Dan are more alike than not is laughable.
I Agree
He’s a joke
He's not unwatchable if he is the host of the most watched sports show in America.
i also think stephen a is just gaslighting/politicking Dan a little bit here
The insecurity is real, he goes on national TV to threaten athletes but talks about his credibility like it's somehow relevant when you're talking that kind of trash.
"Who the hell are you..." Dan has been the guy to elevate ESPN talent across the board, not keep them down. Mina, Bomani, Dominque, Sarah, Pablo and not even counting the new blood in the shipping container. Meanwhile, SAS can't even acknowledge Max.
Max stunk. SAS helped elevate Shannon sharpe, Marcus spears, Ryan Clark, Dan orlosky, Jeff Saturday, and JJ redick. Guess you forgot to mention that🤷🏾♂️
@@jarvisstephenson7039 Shannon is more popular, but Max actually gave the show culture and was praised for it
@@jarvisstephenson7039 Shannon is more popular, but Max actually gave the show culture and was praised for it
@@shindean and it was boring and the show is much better off now with Shannon. You up here commenting on SAS but where is max since he was so good?
@@jarvisstephenson7039 go ahead and find a single person that matters, Dan, Pat, Shannon, etc. Who said the show was boring.
I'll fucking wait....🤡
SAS is THE reason I cut cable. I only paid for it to watch ESPN because of netflix at the time. I got tired of SAS and got tired of paying my cable bill. Now you can watch every sport on another streaming platform and for free on UA-cam get way better and cleaner analysis
The complete absence of contrition is what's annoying about Stephen A. If you're not going to apologize, then own it. Don't say "it was other people who monetized it," or there were other shows first (PTI was nothing like First Take, Stephen; Dan has it right on this, how you amped up the argument). Just own what you did. Own your part of it, at the very least. It would be so much easier to accept if Stephen would just admit that, yeah, he and Skip changed sports talk forever, in a negative way, but hey, he's making bank so he doesn't care. At least be honest about it instead of all the deflection.
Does Stephen A. realize his competition at 10am is the 2nd airing of "Good Morning Football, Skip's knockoff show, and "Supernatural" re-runs, etc..😂? Stop bragging about beating all them old movies and kids cartoons dawg. 😂😂
@@zamtil exactly and most of us watch clips on our phones at work
@@zamtilppl watch on phones and stream it. I work everyday and I watch first take every morning. Half the time we’re not watching it, we listening to it like how we do the radio
@@zamtilunemployed black men
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Great show Dan Le Batard. Thank you for speaking truth to his face.
Literally stopped watching First Take and SAS when I found this channel. First Things First is more tolerable.
Information and News has to be about more than Money or we are all worse off.
You were speaking for all of us here Dan, and bless you for it.
Stephen A. tried to school Dan and eventually just started making points that supported Le Batard lol
I’ll go there… sports media has become reflective of politics in this country. Stats/data be damned. I can yell and be the most entertaining so I’m right
I actually typed that before I watched the video: Stephen A just admitted kinda what I’ve thought about him. He’s about the dollars. At least he admits it. Smh
Has become....? Haha.... not tryna sound smug. Just enjoying the innocence!
The rise of Stephen A to riches is a sad story of late capitalism. 15 years ago I recall in his earlier days on ESPN that if you read his work on, was it called page2, youd largely love his work. He'd write thoughtful and insightful articles on a multitude of topics. Contrasted with his appearances on TV.. he'd behave bombastic and flamboyant as he does today. he got the name screaming a, spitting a, etc, and he got mocked and called lots of vitriolic and heinous things unnecessary to type even in the illustrious youtube comment sections. Later he was laid off in the last recession we were in. which was a shame. Then what seemed like out of nowhere to espn viewers he reached great personal success for him, which I'm thankful for him and his family but at the cost of his journalistic work in exchange for what Dan alludes to in this video. Yelling on TV to get clicks and attention.
I wonder what it is the companies incentive today. It isn't even chasing profits. Chasing temporary shareholder value? Chasing views to prop up ad numbers to give to advertisers? Either way, they're propagandists looking to sell subpar products to people who don't need them. Pteww.
@@multicoloredwiz lol you’re correct. I was trying to sound more optimistic. But it’s funny that he brought up shows like Around the Horn and PTI, cause Cold Pizza was the original first take and it is so far removed from today’s show. Hell I miss Numbers Never Lie because it was real sports and stats which is what I care about. But it is what it is. I feel like my grandparents reminiscing about the old days. But given what SAS said here, it’s not at all shocking that someone like Max didn’t fit the show anymore
I feel like that was skips plan he wanted to make first take the cnn of sports .
Yah he's gotta be entertaining
Bro…your what’s wrong with this whole thing “I typed that before I saw the video”
I mean damn, don’t you see how that’s the biggest problem? Having a stance before hearing the argument? lol
I didn't even know Le Betard was still doing a show. Cool to see.
Lmaoooo😂
i love them but theyve been hemorrhaging money for a long time
Smith will never be self reflective enough to realize that nobody likes him, for a good damn reason. also like how Dan was quiet, reserved, let Smith sit there and dig his own grave. well done. this is how you let loudmouths end themselves.
I remember a young Stephen A. Smith when he was working in Philadelphia back in the year 2001. I like his professionalism, his intelligence.. but that was a long, long, time ago. I had to tune this dude out a few years ago. Pompous..
Same here
When has SAS used his journalism background in the last 10 years?
he dont have to, we live in a diff world now, anything u want to know its at your fingertips weirdo
None. He doesn’t even get inside info from NBA players anymore
Allegedly he has a degree in communications never journalism.
@@tyreetwDam b, on your knees down here too? Take it easy bro.
Yeah he acts like because he was a journalist at one time, it’s inconceivable that he could be something different now. Watch 5 min of him on ESPN in 2024 and try to tell me this guy is all about ethics 🙄
Thank you Dan for this interview this is confirmation. No one wants to be responsible for what they created.As long as they get there's.
stpehen a def aint create it. n what would his responsibility even be. lebetard is more jealous than upset
Stephen is not responsible for how the sports landscape is. Sports debate been around long before Skip brought it to tv. The argumentative style of debate on tv is not Stephen's fault either. They can't help if that style brings in ratings. If people got tired of it, they moved on and they did, which is why you see thousands of sports channels on Social media and UA-cam.
SAS doesn't understand that SNL is not laughing w/him when they parody him, they're laughing at him b/c he's not to be taken seriously anymore. He used to be a journalist. He used to be. Now, he's just the loudest of the loudmouths. Nobody will remember him a year after he's off tv, b/c they'll have another clown to shake their head and laugh at. Good job Dan.
Maybe you won’t but us in the black community will. He has helped elevated hbcu and much more
@@slickjustgotpaid9865 Yo, I'm a Black man who went to and graduated from an HBCU, and that loud-mouthed jackass don't rep me at all. You can have him. Oh yeah, learn what past and present tense is genius.
Would they have remembered him if he was a journalist? No way. Not your average person. Regular journalist get respect in their fields, SAS and others have crossed over into sports commentator
Why is Steve yelling and Dan is being calm. He is trying to have a discussion like adults with Steve and he's yelling
I think that was the point Dan was trying to make.
That's just his persona I guess...
Max was forced to defend the counter argument to Stephen A’s chosen position and still regularly did a better job of defending it. But what’s even worse than the debate format is that sports media has become a reality confessional style show where the analysts talk more about each other than they do about the sports.
When someone gestures to hypocrisy to dismiss an argument its because they know what they are saying/doing is wrong so they dont have to justify anything they do. Its a cowards move.
The fact that he didn't mention all the times he used his platform to threaten athletes is awfully convenient when defending his professionalism 🤔
I'm not a Steven A fan however what he is saying is The market has spoken. And it was long before he came into the space
Yepppp a lot of times these people are the symptom not the cause. Same in politics.
Dan’s people using this “title “ while making this argument is ridiculous
Truth is, I don’t consider Skip and Stephen A journalists in the true sense of the word. Have they done it in the past? Yes. Are they both clearly qualified to do it even now? Of course. But ARE they journalists now? Nope. At best are opinion pieces, spewing mindless stats and records which they think support whatever opinion they are spewing today. Often times even getting the stats wrong, every time not recognizing the nuance that often goes along with their spew. At their worst, they are no better than uninformed opinions I run across on UA-cam. They are both here to entertain, most often I laugh at least once, but I never take them seriously. In that context I have no problem with either of them giving the public what they clearly love, the average social media idiot loves them and that’s ok! No crime against making money! Just have to keep them both (and all their imitators) in the context for which they belong. Entertainers.
Man... boy did S.A.S. turn into Shaggy... it wasn't me. He is pointing those fingers everywhere... but when he wants to talk positively about how sports talked changed, man does he want to take credit. I can't stand him or Bayless. Just carnival barkers.
Stephen A. knows damn well what Dan is talking about. Hell, hes doing it right there in the interview!
2:35 admits to selling his soul for the money. Money is the root of all evil.
First thing is props to SAS for actually engaging with Dan Lebetard. But what SAS is missing is that there were a lot of critics of Around the Horn, Mike and the Mad Dog and Jim Rome well before First Take.
So it’s just dishonest for SAS to say there weren’t critics of sensationalist media types. And the criticism that SAS and First Take took the volume up on the sensational driven sports debate is very valid.
Just because you make money off something and are successful does not make you immune from criticism of the negative aspects yourof success has brought to the larger landscape.
This is fair. But then Dan can't come at him saying it's SAS fault the landscape is the way it is
Keeping it real.
They're BOTH right
It's bizarre how clueless Stephen A is about this.
And Mad Dog can DIAF for all I care. You know he's worthless when every UA-cam clip of him is titled about how mad he is. And for me, it's not even about what to watch on TV. I can pick and choose and I'm good. But I really can't take going to many sports games now because the fans act like Stephen A and Mad Dog. They make sports miserable for the rest of us, because we don't listen, they yell louder.
Mad dog is trash
He literally proves the point by trying to make this a debate, I am so glad I have him muted on ESPN
Blame the networks, not the talent. ESPN wanted clones so that’s what they push
SAS was the one using his platform to threaten athletes, that's not what ESPN asked for. Dan never threatened athletes, so the difference between these two men on the same platform comes down to the clown who wants attention anyway he can 🤡
SAS is exactly what Jason Whitlock says he is and Jason Whitlock is exactly what SAS says he is.
We watch for entertainment. SAS and Skip understood that very well.
SAS hiding behind being a journalist feels small at this point. Don’t hate the player…..
Stephen A has fallen off ever since he got rid of Max. people finally saw what a despicable man he is
Did Stephen A Smith break any laws? I just hear complaining and jealousy. If someone is too influential in an industry, then change it, dude . Quit whining
I hate the Sports media now. I hate the soap opera drama. It's hurting the leagues too!
Was Screamin’ A a journalist when he was parroting the NFL’s talking points to bury Colin Kaepernick?
How tf does Dan think he wasn't apart of the problem? 😂😂😂
A complete lack of self awareness.
What has Dan done to be part of the problem?
@violabeaumont3758 the same thing Stephen A has done. Had successful TV shows & radio shows kicking it with your friends giving the illusion that anyone can do it and it's easy. Look at how many sports shows, podcasts and channels there are now. This wouldn't come without the success of First Take, Highly Questionable, etc coming before them
@@AveryB.0 You left out the notable difference that Dan does not give out irresponsible 'hot takes' like guys like Stephen A and Skip are responsible for.
I quit watching any of that sports content during covid. I became more negative energy sensitive for some reason. When I watched every woman I was with hated hearing him on the TV and I didn't get it. Arguing over the 2 best basketball players is toxic. When you see hate for such an accomplished human, it's psychotic.
SAS and skip definitely top 5 worst media heads in history
The problem is that sports media shows had former players and fans as guest spots. Not a whole show and hosts. Cause it's not sports talk anymore. It's more defending their friends and former teamattes and protect their fantasy players or players they place bets on.
“It’s not the money” lmao. A player has a bad game and the next day the discussion is about his legacy. It damned sure isn’t about the love of the game. The way Skip and Stephen A. have made sports discourse has ruined even the actual sports to some extent. He’s the most watched because he knows how to make people watch to hear him trash players they don’t like. In the type of country we live in, and with the way sports, particularly basketball are trending in terms of player power, certain people want to see them taken down. Skip Bayless built a whole platform on saying one great player isn’t great. He was able to do that because people hate that player. People aren’t watching because they’re interested in the sport or to learn more. It’s third-party hate watching. I appreciate LeBatard trying, but you can’t get through to people who only care about the money. It’s not possible. Different languages.
I think SAS is missing the point. He is talking about how SAS and Skip changed sports media in a such a way that it has become the new format thus making guys like him or that style or format irrelevant. It's not about the information, it's about the argument which is what SAS does. He makes everything an argument. Because that style was different at the time it was new, obviously, it became super popular and others followed to be similar and ride the wave. It changed the landscape on about the same scale as Twitter and UA-cam. It became the next phase of sports media. It's difficult to go back after a new standard has been set, for better or worse. Or, maybe i missed the point.
Damn Stephen A Smith hitting Dan with the hard facts
Not really. He kinda made Dan’s point. Stephen A realized its not about sports facts it’s about the money and arguing just to argue
@@HHHPedigrees pretty silly for Dan to try to blame two people for how markets work though, they're both right, I suppose
After he gave his flowers and put him out there his whole mood changed
Why isnt Sad Lebatard looking at the camera like SAS??
We can’t blame SAS and Skip for what Disney made them do! You do know that Disney owns ESPN and Fox, that’s why shit the same on both networks! Why no one blames the corporations I don’t understand!
Dan really think he high and mighty??? 😂😂😂😂
It’s like when a music artist is signed to a major then they’re let go and become independent NOW they wanna be against the Industry! Lmaooooooo
Great comment.
Glad to see both express their points. Glad to see Dan directly state his issues and beliefs. Not fake it or act like he’s talking on someone else’s opinion.
Amazing how guys who never played at a pro level can tell a guy who has.... what they're looking at or has experienced playing pro ball.
ESPN is destined to shut down. People want to take walks and plant gardens rather than be screamed at by these guys. Football season isn’t back until September
I like sports debates, but I like sports debates with a shred of nuance and facts to back them up. Something SAS is consistently lacking.
Hell there’s an entire fucking video online of Skip Bayless doing the song and dance of First Take by himself AGAINST HIMSELF.
The fault in Stephens argument: does he make more money? Yes. Do the networks make more money? Maybe - but they are chasing it. Does that make for a better viewer and fan experience? No. Everyone chases the money but the fans who just want some decent media. This is why I find other options these days
Stephen "Brotha" Smith wants to be Steve Harvey soooo Bad
Its crazy bc he sounds just like shaq on tnt. Getting super defensive and citing his accolades/academic background while diverting from the original point. Also funny bc if some other prominent talk show was to take credit for ushering in the 2 person A vs B hot take format hed probably be first to say other wise
Stephen A spit facts
Dan this isn't 2000 or 1990 or even 2007....this is 2023 bro
Both Stephen A. and Dan are right. Non-issue honestly.
SAS is so full of it.
Screaming news and sports journalism is unfortunately here till the public gets tired of it .
You keep doing the same segment I thought you talked about this already unless I'm missing something
Stephen A. Is a carribean tether. Enough said.
Man I respect SAS for going on this show and dealing with these issues.
You don't need a journalism background, because there is very little journalism going on in sports journalism. Its all about hot takes and narratives. Its more entertaining, and the goal is entertainment. For better or for worse 🤷🏽
The genre Skip and SAS fathered is "chercha" as we say in Spanish. The audience knows the difference between "chercha" and sports journalism. I mean, how many people believe Skip is being objective when he says "LeBron sucks" or some other silliness.
Did Dan ever get a sentence in. He should work for CNN, let people give their valedictorian speech and just stand down
Screamin A Smith
Professional Wrong Person
Dan hating IDGAF
SAS lies about his own college career, I thought real journalists had an obligation to tell the truth.
Fox news reported that Iran backed hoootie rebels been firing rockets at the shipping container...im worried...hopefully Dan and everybody is ok...love these guys..!!! 😊😊😊
What’s wrong with watching people debate about sports ?
It was entertaining when it was new but now its just annoying. Especially when you realize these experts really don't know what they're talking about, so they are just arguing for the sake of arguing. They are TV personalities who dont know any more than an average sports fan.
Sports media isn’t about sports no more. It’s more about politics and celebrities particularly athletes personal shit.
Kinda feel Dan on this, but it’s hate because other guys are getting attention over them , but it’s not their fault ppl are watching them over you
SAS was right on his first point. Dan was in it too and did it a lot.
Steven A and Skip are awful. Signed sports fans. We are the ones who endure this
It's not Stephen's fault for doing it, it's ESPN and it's viewers fault for embracing it. Can't argue with the ratings, even if I don't enjoy it.
I guess the Dan guy has never heard of Jim Rome...
Stephen A is right. He named all of the sports talk personalities before him that engaged in the "debate" format of programming on radio and t.v.. But all of a sudden, when a loud talking Black man imitates that same blueprint and becomes wealthy doing it, NOW all of the sudden it's a problem!! Did critics speak out against the others?
I didn’t know Skip Bayless was black
Nah. Sports journalism is definitely 🗑️ and SAS is driving the garbage truck. It's hot take journalism meant to get clicks.
I actually enjoy the competition and choice .
SAS argument is that he went to school and was a journalist. Irrelevant. Completely missing the point of what LeBatard is trying to tell him.
I absolutely disagree. This STARTED when sports media started BACK WHENEVER , STOP IT
Max smiled too much and didn’t get dragged into the mud.
It’s all basically sensationalism striving for clicks by creating controversy and opposing sides in varying degrees. I like shows like NFL live that have hosts of former players that give their humble opinion and backs it up with video breakdowns. Most of the “sensationalists” are not former players and although knowledgeable, cannot provide accuracy from the perspective that a former athlete can. They just are voicing their opinions loudly, and boisterously and in some cases, intentionally devisive to create the drama that garner more ratings which is basically their end game.
Steven ruined sports media by acting like his opinion is bigger than the facts. Like his word is law and if you don’t agree then you’re wrong and stupid. Just because you can yell louder than someone using some big words you got off your word a day calendar doesn’t make you right all the time.
Dan just need to say what's really on his mind.
SAS missed this point completely
Sounds like Dan is mad at fans of the debate format. If that isn’t what people wanted, then sas and all his copycats wouldn’t have so much success. He’s bitter that he couldn’t evolve and the wave left him behind.
Money. The answer is always money.
The difference between Dan and SAS is that Dan is being true to himself and to the audience. SAS is true to himself because he is cynicism personified, but he does nothing but bullshit the audience
I respect sas for engaging...
Really no reason too...
Different levels.
Sas come from bottom and is at the very top...
Hes probably capped his peak, but unlike bayless, i think sas is smart enough to rise shannon sharpe wave.
Some of this is sour grapes.
It was cool when your old man was rapping on shows and yall were giving twisted funny takes
I agree with Dan, but he didn’t do a good job of explaining himself in this short clip. I’d say Skip is more to blame than SAS. Skip is the one who takes personal shots at athletes, name calling, etc. While he was always a menace, he blew up with social media with his wild Lebron takes. Literally built a brand going after Lebron for things like not doing the slam dunk contest. In fairness to SAS, his schtick hasn’t reached Skip’s level of nonsense. Skip’s brand caters to the lowest common denominators in society.
Daaaaang! 😂😂😂😂😂
Stephen A sure was purposely dense in this conversation. Yes, while shows like PTI and Around the Horn existed before first take that wasn’t Dan’s point. He was trying to explain how first take saturated the sports show marketplace. The format of debating and arguing a topic was what first take brought to sports shows that was different and now most sports shows have followed in that format ever since. And those shows are all trash now cause they aren’t substantive. They are pure debate shows and it doesn’t matter who is right, its who sounds right or whose argument is the loudest. Stephen A knows all about being loud without substance.
You do it for the money the clicks the views duh that’s society now
facts
Nobody wanted Max off that show except Stephen A