I wholeheartedly agree. Stein’s 6th also excels….easily stands with Jochum, Keilberth, and (are you ready for it?) Muti!! Both of Stein’s Bruckner recordings sound wonderful on open reel.
@@LyleFrancisDelp Stein's 6th is a fantastic version - I remember in my youth buying it on LP and was caught unawares with the slow movement split between the two sides of the LP - this annoyed me enormously because Bruckner's sublime music suffers terribly if not heard whole without any interruption - it was common in those days to split movements between sides, and one got used to it (especially in opera recordings), but it really did gripe on this occasion, especially since the 6th's slow movement is one of the absolute glories of symphonic writing. We don't have the same problem with compact discs, thank goodness. Stein's recording is currently available in an interesting Australian Eloquence box of Bruckner symphony recordings with multiple conductors and orchestras.
Must listen to the Solti now. I only have the VSO Giulini from '74 which I quite like. But I never thought it was such an interesting symphony that I'd need a second recording of it. Maybe I was wrong and I do? :D
Yes, the 2nd is a difficult symphony to bring off. I quite agree that the Solti does bring it off splendidly and I also greatly enjoy Jochum's DG account with the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra, his Dresden account is fine too but the DG is better recorded.
I must put a plug in for the (CT recommended) Chailly with the Concertgebouw on Decca - even if he does employ the dreaded Haas edition! (Agreed that it doesn't make any difference). Very beautifully played - the recently issued live version might be even better (it's four minutes faster for a start)
Hi Dave, I hope you read this. Don't you think that in the first minute of the adagio of Bruckner's Ninth Symphony he quotes the first minute and a half of the prelude to Tristan und Isolde, act I? I've looked in articles, notes, analyses, books and never found this association described. Bruckner has obviously reworked the passage, (very well, by the way) it is not a literal quotation, but the musical gestures are very similar. There is a sixth rising leap at the beginning of Tristan, which Bruckner has turned into a ninth leap on the violins. Afterwards, the melody is completed with 2 descending notes in Wagner, which Bruckner embellishes a little. And then a chromatic progression that starts in a lower register in Bruckner example - Wagner does it in a bit higher one) . And it´s not only that, at the climax of the Wagner prelude and of the Bruckner adagio, the Tristan motif or semi-phrase appears, Bruckner here presents it identical to Wagner, with that 4 notes. All these can't be coincidence.
I probably love the late Bruckner symphonies as much as anybody (sans conjectural finale to B9), and I just can't stand the second symphony. At least the first symphony has a pretty good scherzo. Not here! I'll be sure to avoid this.
I appreciate that you go to the trouble and expense to stock hay and horses out back just so you can give us some bad Bruckner.
I must admit that I enjoyed it a great deal, and I love this symphony. in general
Sad. Such a beautiful symphony. Horst Stein does it beautifully.
I wholeheartedly agree. Stein’s 6th also excels….easily stands with Jochum, Keilberth, and (are you ready for it?) Muti!! Both of Stein’s Bruckner recordings sound wonderful on open reel.
Yes, Stein's 6th is great too.@@LyleFrancisDelp
@@LyleFrancisDelp Stein's 6th is a fantastic version - I remember in my youth buying it on LP and was caught unawares with the slow movement split between the two sides of the LP - this annoyed me enormously because Bruckner's sublime music suffers terribly if not heard whole without any interruption - it was common in those days to split movements between sides, and one got used to it (especially in opera recordings), but it really did gripe on this occasion, especially since the 6th's slow movement is one of the absolute glories of symphonic writing. We don't have the same problem with compact discs, thank goodness. Stein's recording is currently available in an interesting Australian Eloquence box of Bruckner symphony recordings with multiple conductors and orchestras.
I love the horses 🐎 even when they portend disaster. 😂
Must listen to the Solti now. I only have the VSO Giulini from '74 which I quite like. But I never thought it was such an interesting symphony that I'd need a second recording of it. Maybe I was wrong and I do? :D
Yes, the 2nd is a difficult symphony to bring off. I quite agree that the Solti does bring it off splendidly and I also greatly enjoy Jochum's DG account with the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra, his Dresden account is fine too but the DG is better recorded.
You mentioned Solti’s Chicago. Wondering how that would stack up against the Barenboim on DGG.
Barenboim, Chailly, Solti, Stein, Tintner, all in the running!
I must put a plug in for the (CT recommended) Chailly with the Concertgebouw on Decca - even if he does employ the dreaded Haas edition! (Agreed that it doesn't make any difference). Very beautifully played - the recently issued live version might be even better (it's four minutes faster for a start)
Hi Dave, I hope you read this. Don't you think that in the first minute of the adagio of Bruckner's Ninth Symphony he quotes the first minute and a half of the prelude to Tristan und Isolde, act I? I've looked in articles, notes, analyses, books and never found this association described. Bruckner has obviously reworked the passage, (very well, by the way) it is not a literal quotation, but the musical gestures are very similar. There is a sixth rising leap at the beginning of Tristan, which Bruckner has turned into a ninth leap on the violins. Afterwards, the melody is completed with 2 descending notes in Wagner, which Bruckner embellishes a little. And then a chromatic progression that starts in a lower register in Bruckner example - Wagner does it in a bit higher one) .
And it´s not only that, at the climax of the Wagner prelude and of the Bruckner adagio, the Tristan motif or semi-phrase appears, Bruckner here presents it identical to Wagner, with that 4 notes. All these can't be coincidence.
Yes, it can be a coincidence. It's only a handful of similar notes, after all. It happens all the time.
Thanks @@DavesClassicalGuide
I probably love the late Bruckner symphonies as much as anybody (sans conjectural finale to B9), and I just can't stand the second symphony. At least the first symphony has a pretty good scherzo. Not here! I'll be sure to avoid this.