The $16 BILLION Plan to Rebuild a Failing Northeast Corridor | The Gateway Program
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- The Northeast Corridor is the most used rail line in the United States. But one of its most crucial components, an 11 mile stretch between Newark, NJ and New York City, is quickly falling victim to time. To combat this, Amtrak has began the construction of a $16 billion plan to revive the most crucial stretch of a failing Northeast Corridor - which includes 3 new bridges, 1 new rail line and 2 new tunnels bored under the Hudson River.
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I'm just now realizing that the animated map is not correct; the NEC actually goes through Providence, RI then north to Boston instead of cutting diagonally across CT and MA. Took me wayyyy too long to realize this, and I apologize for it. I hope you all enjoyed the video, though!
Edit: Unfortunately some of my video was claimed due to copyrighted music towards the end, so there's a bit of a cut at the 7ish minute mark. I really apologize for this but it was really the only solution other than reuploading 😔
It looks like that map shows the most common highway route between New York and Boston: heading northward from New Haven to Hartford, then northeast to Sturbridge and on to Boston from there. (In highway terms, I-95 to New Haven, I-91 to Hartford, I-84 to Sturbridge, and I-90 to Boston.)
The Northeast Corridor route stays along the coast longer, continuing to New London, then heads up to Providence via Westerly and Kingston. It stays close to the path of I-95 until reaching route 128, a ring road outside of Boston, then follows the path that the never-built Southwest Expressway would have taken through Dedham, Roslindale, and Jamaica Plain.
Amtrak has service to Hartford, staying close to the path of I-91, but nothing going toward Sturbridge. Amtrak does have trains that continue to Springfield MA (still paralleling the path of I-91), where it would be possible to connect to the once-per-day Lake Shore Limited to get to Boston. That would be a much slower trip than staying on the NEC is.
@ True, but service does exist from Boston to Hartford to New Haven, and to NYC. I think Amtrak is exploring expansion of this route between NY and Boston to augment the traditional New Londown/Providence route. (Massachusetts also wanted to expand service to Springfield, with help from Amtrak, but funding for that apparently got shot down recently.)
Reseach the local place names, svp. Kearny is carny. Passaic is puh-SAKE.
You started to talk about Penn Station, then it cuts to the end.
@@ikmarchini *Passaic is puh-SAY-ic.
The best time to maintain and upgrade rail infrastructure was 20 years ago, but the second best time is right now! It's nice to see these solutions start to take shape!
well, 50 years ago would have been a good time too ???
Nahhh kill it Sue the hell outta csx and build Real hsr
Latest Portal North Bridge progress. ua-cam.com/play/PLaV8A1t9NASlV791AHlcf7l-FFGMimKWQ.html
New York and New Jersey are one storm away from an economic disaster if the current tunnels are damaged in any significant way.
No they aren’t.. ppl will just take buses or drive or take a ferry. There’s always bridges. This happened during 9-11 when the tunnels were closed. I still commuted to NyC by bus. Now if bridges and tunnels close that will be problematic
@@TheJaiNetwork Buses and ferries have a fraction of the capacity of rail. Just because you were able to get in, doesn't mean many people will take that choice. Buses and ferries are slower too. It's a hassle. Much less people would come, prices of goods and services would rise, etc. It's a terrible feedback loop.
As a North Jersey resident, Chris Christie gets under my nerves. I remember this talk about the project and his vocal disapproval of it, mostly because of costs that you mentioned. Meanwhile this guy is closing down lanes and creating a scandal on the GWB and spent close to $100k of tax payer money on concessions at giants games during his time as governor. Unreal. The country needs to reinvest in the rail system, we are way behind.
He’s a clown
I am no fan of Christie but he did have a valid concern over the amount of funding and who would be paying for it initially over the THE (trans Hudson express) which would wind up deep under Macy's basement at 34th Street without any pass through connections. Later the ARC was completely in flux of what it would eventually be designed as , plus an overall funding scheme. Both DJT and Christie agreed that a project was necessary but as the content creator mentioned, these are not small feats or easy to fund, especially when they are a " moving target". Even with the best of intentions, trying to construct such a project is going to depend on some creative engineering, deal with a rats nest of various utilities and politics plus existing and future environmental regulations like the National Environmental Policy Act or NEPA.
The thing that kills me about Conservatives is that they always complain about costs, but what do they actually invest in that benefit their constituents? Answer: NOTHING!!!!
You mean to tell me that a conservative would try and stifle something that would be good for the general population? Wow, I’ve never heard of that before.
When evaluating a potential project, one must also quantity the (discounted present value of) potential future benefits. That is Finance 101. Republicans conveniently ignore the benefits when they say NO.
The Gateway Construction Program is scores long overdue as the railroad is too old to exist, and the present tunnels need thorough renovation. That railroad is badly worn out. This presentation has been great.
Think of how much more it will cost now, than if they had started building the tunnel in 2010
how much different could it be... adjusted for inflation. It's not like they are using different plans or materials, right? OTOH, it might be done already.
@@rupe53it’s significantly more now, the same way the cost of home was a lot cheaper to build in 2010 than it is today, your still building the same exact thing but now wages and labor demand more money and material costs are now much higher! And constructing anything in the city with unions involved is gonna drive the price higher. Ex: average home build was about 130k in 2010 ….. Now I’m 2023 average price is 270k and this is for an average 1,600 sqft home 🤷♂️ you always pay more when you wait for the damage to pile up
@@kevinnieto8331 those were all valid points... but the same points were valid 10, 20, even 50 years ago, when they should have built it bigger in the first place. In the meanwhile, your pay went up too, so the costs are all relative to inflation, the same as always. Pay me now or pay me later, right? The only thing that has changed is a greater need over time.
If Trump were still in office they still wouldn't have even. Broken ground on this project. And if Republicans win a majority I wouldn't be surprised if they cut its funding if not dead it all together
Labor inflation is phuckin crazy 🤌🏾😳😩
Being on the west coast this video was extremely helpful with understanding the Gateway Project. Very well done. Thank you.
Me in east coast really cool here
As a Brit on a first ever visit to the States, we rode Amtrak from NYC Penn to Union DC and back a few weeks ago, we were surprised as to how poor the ride was in places, not as if we don't have our issues here in the UK, but we were left underwhelmed in general as to how infrastaructure in the States currently stands, I appreciate the argument over green issues is a heated one, and the divorce between America and the V8 engine looks like it could be a long and a very painful one, but you have a beautiful country that if it fell in love with the train again and public transport, would benefit enormously all round. Really hope these plans come together. We found Penn Station a bit of a maze to navigate especially on the return leg, that place really does need a rethink..
Yes NYP is fucked.
What's interesting is how smooth the ride is on the faster Acela compared to the slower Northeast Regionals. I think the new Airo trainsets will make the ride even better, though I think the proposed battery-electric units are far too ambitious and will not be very successful..
Best comment on this video so far.
Would be FANTASTIC to get the 7 train out to NJ stopping at Hoboken, Union City, and Secaucus as part of this project.
Kinda defeats the purpose of the NYC subway. It’s called the NYC subway for a reason.
Better to just extend the 7 to its logical end point at 14 St, and extend the L to 10th Av, so the two can connect.
@@langstonreese7077 Besides, there already is a NY-NJ subway: PATH.
@@langstonreese7077 No, the 7 train making 3 stops outside of the city does not invalidate the existence of all 36 lines and 427 stops of the subway.
@@langstonreese7077TIL that the “purpose” of the NYC Subway is that it stays entirely in NYC and not, you know moving people around
Lets get it done!
Isn't it astonishing how l o n g it takes to get these essential projects started?!
I wish the Lehigh Valley got a Amtrak Station so people can go to and From New York or Philadelphia. Great way to eliminate the congestion on the 476 blue route section near I95
I heard there's talk to do so, reusing some abandond right-of-way from Penn Central between Binghamton, NY, Scranton-WB, and (i forgot where in)NNJ, which could connect people into NYC. Besides the investment in the rebuild, having people using, shopping, working, visiting between all of the possible connections is a huge investment in this poor terribly neglected area. Car-culture screams about a bike lane taking something from "them", and refuse to see the whole benefit of less congestion, and more people employed and connections.
@@joecesa It's called the Lackawanna Cutoff project, and it's been slowly moving for many years. It won't help the Lehigh Valley which I picture as the Bethlehem/Allentown/Easton area, but it will be huge for northern NJ and points west.
There's a business case for spending a cool 200bn dollars, if not more, (as much as necessary to get it done really), on getting an entirely new new high speed line built linking all the major city centres on the north-east corridor. This would not only have Acela beat flying from city centre to city centre, but more importantly, it will free up lots of capacity on the existing corridor for regional and local services which can increase in both frequency. and reliability. The demand is obviously there, you have the densest urban cores in the US, some excellent local and regional transit ferrying people to and from those city centres and thus the HSR station, and an absolutely massive population and gdp.
200 bil would be a bargin, Amtrak estimates that a new line from Boston via the hartford area and then somehow to nYP is 150 bil it will cost a lot more to plow through NJ and Phillie area.
Considering all the property acquisition costs (and lawsuits) to build a new high speed network from scratch, I think the cost would be north of one trillion dollars, probably more. Look at the high costs that California is having on their high speed train line, but more so, since the Northeast Corridor is longer and much denser, with much more expensive land.
You forgot one of the most important things Metro north railroad would be able to operate their own rolling stock (which they currently pay NJT to drive their own trains which are WAY nicer lol) and would most likely invest in the port Jarvis line, i think the MTA needs to build another bridge or tunnel across the Hudson and allow service from Penn or GCT and there would also be a back up if the tunnel has to be closed
Where would this crossing be? Too bad they turned the old Poughkeepsie Bridge into a pedestrian bridge/park and the TZB2 was not designed for carrying heavy rail like it was originally designed to back in the early 2000's.
The GWB lower deck was designed to carry rail but that never happened either. Any other locations would be subject to the National Environmental Policy Act or NEPA and that takes a long, long time.
which trains are nicer? the metro north rolling stock or the NJT?
Why would Metro north spend billions on a tunnel when half their network isn’t even electrified, and their current network is split between 2 completely different power supply systems? This would be a criminal waste of money
@@spuds6423lol at this point it might be cheaper to invest in extradimensional teleportation technology
This is going to be a lot more massive and costly than the renovation of Shibuya station in Tokyo, which happened under similar circumstances. Shibuya is one of two entry points into the heart of the metropolis from neighboring Kanagawa prefecture (the other is Shinagawa), and there are like 6 or so lines going in, including the JR Yamanote loop and several Tokyo Metro subway routes. On top of it all is a multi-story department store.
If New York wants a resilient mass transit service that can survive the coming difficulties from climate change and sea level rise, they're going to have to be like a combination of Tokyo and Amsterdam. And something tells me they're up to the challenge.
PUH-SAY-IC The Northeast Corridor basically pays for the rest of the country's rail system. It's unconscionable to let it decay to this state.
The tunnel is over capacity, but is not failing or a failure by any means, in fact, it might hold the world record for total passengers commuted through a tunnel by train the history of the world. An engineering marvel at it's time of construction, no one in 1910 would've ever believed it would still be operating 123 years later without any major operational incidents!
It does need upgrades so that travels can continue using for longer. It will be great for the city
@@MildChunkySalsa I agree with you, they need another tunnel and one that can handle much higher speeds. I was just saying the tunnel has been a great success when considering what it was its intended purpose in 1910.
It's the port authority and governments of NJ/NY/US that are a failure to have taken so long when a new tunnel should've been built as far back as the 60's & 70's.
Good god this was conceived in 95 and still hasn't been done? The more I watch this country's infrastructure projects fail due to stupidity, the more I want to move to Japan. If they have a project, it'll be done quick. Road construction? Overnight.
The only physics reason to not build something as fast as your logistics can support is the need to let sediment settle before you build ontop of if.
Otherwise most of the slowdown is from political/bureaucratic stuff. I understand environmental impact statements, but delaying a project that has to get built eventually for budget reasons has only ever made it more expensive in the long run. (Inflation & general increase in cost of materials/labor as time goes on)
Biden has been the best on this in my lifetime. I'm glad our president is a train guy.
@@stevieme8642 lol he isn't a train guy he is just doing whatever his keepers tell him to do...he doesn't think for himself
@@FELiPES101 you're so full of crap that I don't know how you can look in the mirror!
@@FELiPES101 you're so full of crap that I don't know how you can look in the mirror!
0:39 That map is totally wrong. The trains in New England run along the Connecticut seacoast and up through Rhode Island to reach Boston.
I noticed that too. I saw another channel use the same animation. Politically connected consultants tend not to be most keyed in to the important details of a project and rely on equally clueless politicians for verification. I worked in the public transportation industry for over 30 years. There were some real doozies out there.
I wish that the map was correct as then there might be decent rail service between central Mass (Worcester) and NYC.
There have been proposals to move the nec away from the coast in ct to limit its vulnerability to storms and flooding. None in the pipeline though.
@@FadkinsDiet where would it diverge?? The takings necessary for any high speed curvatures would be not only expensive but run into opposition by environmentalists
Very informative; never knew about the plans to update the other bridges between the Portal Bridge and Newark.
A recent development is the 5 year extension of Madison Square Garden’s operating permit. Some say this is so the City and MSG group can come to an agreement on loving the arena somewhere else. This would be an important step towards the renovation of Penn Station in the future.
Excellent video. Very informative. Just subscribed cuz I want more of videos like this one.
Well, they could always guve MSG their walking papers to rebuild the original Penn Station. That would be ironic, as the original station was demolished for MSG. What's a demolition between friends, anyway?
$16 Billion is what bush and Cheney wasted in Iraq every 45 days (The US was in Iraq for 8 1/2 years, total cost approximately $2.2 Trillion). Think of how many US repairs we could have achieved with that money?
Exactly. That pointless war weakened the United States in every measurable way.
In that I live in the city of Newark I'm happy that you mentioned the city of North and Northeast corridor and how important it is I'm looking forward to this being built and improved thanks for mentioning thanks for mentioning Newark because most videos don't
No problem! Newark is a very very influential city for New Jersey especially when it comes to transport. I'm thinking of doing two more videos relating to Newark: the Newark Light Rail/subway system and the Newark Penn redevelopment plans. Any other ideas?
I agree. Perhaps a video on broad Street Station too? Also a video on path?
would the new infrastructure be capable of handling higher speed trains if acela is upgraded?
From the things I've read over the last 20 years, yes. A little. With little to no bottleneck getting trains in and out of NYC, better track, straightened track to allow higher speeds in this immediate area. The biggest gains in speed will be in the ultimate reconstruction of more of the line, that has been severely neglected since the 1950's.
Um…. Your first map indicates that the train goes up through Hartford into the right hand corner and into Boston. I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but that is not how Amtrak works. It goes all the way through Rhode Island and up to Boston just so you know.
Yes I realized just a couple days ago unfortunately... Bit embarrassing on my side 🙈🙈 sorry about that! I think I also left a comment explaining that error.
Seems this is going in the right direction, with all large infrastructure projects cost is always a concern as is protecting the existing services during construction. We need more rail based services, doesn’t matter if in the US, Canada, UK, France - all have projects currently in progress.
My favorite part of this video is the phrase "construction started..." at 5:01. We all know how hard it is to get the government to build rail projects in this country so it is refreshing to know things are finally happening here.
then NJ Governor Christie nixed the idea of a new tunnel. Been through those old tunnels before and didn't realize it was that bad. tRumpass also would not fund it either, so now it will cost even way more. Though not feasible wish they could have an over the river bridge for trains, that view would be priceless.
That’s even more money to make a bridge over the river plus the ships that go through it. It would be a cool view though. Not saying it can’t happen but it’ll have to go back underground anyway for NYC Penn Station. Just a lot of headaches trying to build around and in NY. Yk
@@mattk9644that would be a steep climb, to get from whatever the depth is for Penn Station to ~213ft to match the clearance of the GeoWashBridge in 0.6mi. That would be tough for a truck, nevermind a train
@@counterfit5 exactly it’s just pretty much impossible the best bet are the Hudson Tunnels.
Everybody knew Christie made the wrong decision, but Superstorm Sandy forced the plan back on the table.
Mayor Bloomberg wanted to extend the subway to New Jersey but that idea fell off after the NYC Olympics bid fell apart.
Don't blame DJT, the project morphed at least 3 times before the eventual Gateway Project was decided upon. This has been in the works long before 2017 and the exact funding was and what new environmental regulations would apply. Everyone agreed that something had to be done, the question was how much and who is on the hook to pay it.
What's crazy is the list of all the possible funding sources mentioned in the video. State, city, federal government, transit operators, private sources, etc. I think when the Pennsylvania RR built the tunnels over a century ago, they did it all themselves with no outside funding. I think it was pretty much done on schedule as well. Add to that no computers, cell phones and other modern technologies. Yet today it takes decades if it even happens at all. Have we progressed?
The Northeast Corridor is fine. Its better then what the Western and Southern states get.
Could be better though.
Need to be renovated before a disaster happens.
It's legal to shoot someone for mentioning a train in Texas.
Let’s start Building
GREAT video
I feel uneasy traveling through those tunnels because of there condition
It’s really not that bad. It’s pretty safe and was well built. For how old it is, and the fact that it’s still holding up to this day in age really tells you how good it was built. From the 1910s to 2023-
The US and even more so New York has a fairly high standards to make sure the tunnels are only open if there is full confidence that the train will make it to the other side
You forgot Providence, Rhode Island.
This is really good. Thank you. You made me subscribe. Keep up the good work
A new tunnel is needed into Penn Station from New Jersey.
I really believe the entire NEC should have an all-new high-speed rail (HSR) system. Separate right-of-way on the existing route, in place of two of the existing tracks or above it where possible. This is the only route in America that could truly benefit from the high cost of such a project. California's HSR project is a massive waste of money and will never be finished. Most developed countries, plus China and others, have HSR, but not the US. The NEC is the route for it.
You should take a look at the South Shore Line in Indiana. They’ve been working on double tracking and upgrading all of the stations for the last couple of years. It’s gonna be really awesome when it’s done but for now it means to take the train a certain point and then you have to get on the transfer bus for the portion there currently working on and then you get back on the train to go to Chicago.
The Southwest Chief needs upgrades too.
Thanks for a great video!
One note, at 07:42 there is an accidental edit.
this is a decades plus long effort and should employ tons of folks steady with some going into retirement at the end of the project and others, being the beneficiary of the effort ,t become managers and directors on other huge projects. This along with other infrastructure efforts will support a steady stream of engineers, architects. operators and give them once in a career experiences that with some humbleness could set the US up for a 20 plus year run of infrastructure improvements across power, transportation, waste water, flood prevention, water retention, housing, roadway design and more with some experienced knowledgeable & humble work force that will be getting paid. Ya gotta love this story for a decade plus of benefits.
Concerned about cost overruns? Cost overruns for a government project are guaranteed. Initial cost times 2 1/2 would be realistic.
Not really. Fixed-price contracts are possible. The problem is that the contractors would have to reveal the true cost of the project up front. Taxpayers would rather have a $500 million project go over budget by $2 Billion and bitch about it than see a $2 Billion price tag up front.
The Baltimore tunnel is also a major issue.
They just awarded the contracts to rehabilitate it!
The US deficit this year is 1.5 trillion dollars. Our total national debt is 32 trillion dollars plus. It cost 476 billion dollars to service our debt a year. We will spend 1.5 trillion dollars a year more than we take in for the forcible future. In the years ahead we could be spending almost a trillion dollars a year on the interest on the money we barrowed. If the projections are 16 billion dollars to complete the project then that is it. No cost over runs that double or triple the cost of the project. At some point we need to control our cost. In the time that it take to complete this project our national debt could be close to 40 trillion dollars and getting close to 1 trillion dollars to service our debt. I use to live on LI and know how important this project is but cost control is also important. Thank you Ben
The deficit is just a pie in the sky number. The US should only worry when the IMF and other global financial institutions decouple from the US dollar and despite BRICS the Yuan isn't there quite yet.
I guess we'll see how that pans out once the Taiwan question is settled.
GOP solution - encourage more people into cars and airplanes
Yet they oppose road and airport expansion projects too haha
@@mrvwbug4423especially a long island crossing and Midtown underground highway as well.
@@maroon9273 They haven't "donated" enough yet.
In Texas they build tolled lanes so the super-rich can get to work while everybody else is stuck in traffic.
As an Aussie rail fan looking at the NEC I simply just cannot get my head around why the NEC ends less than 2miles short of connecting with all the northern Boston commuter rail lines plus the busy Downeaster line which connects to Brunswick, Rochester, Portsmouth; and the lack of connection between Boston South and Boston North station means you have to change subway line twice and overloads these subway services, plus you can't through-run any of the commuter trains. All you would have to do is a really short 2mile long tunnel and a bit of electrification and it would open up the whole city for more frequent faster trips.
To be fair it sees very little travel in that portion. Besides the moderate and short commuter rail of north boston metro area… the NEC see’s essentially no use from Boston Northward. NEC’s bread and butter is DC>PHI>Newark>NYC>Boston.
Funding, construction and legal issues will likely mean it will take 40 years to complete this project.
Somewhat justified. Do you know why projects happen so fast in China? 1) Because they don't care who loses their home, 2) they don't care who gets killed during construction, 3) they don't care what pollutes the air, water, and soil, and 4) they don't care that it starts falling apart a year after completion.
More likely 60, and they will want the rest of the country to pay for it. they can go f themselves.
not with the infrastructure deal Biden passed, this project is prime to get some of those funds, the moneys there.
if they started tomorrow and cost was not the issue, I doubt it would be done in 10 - 12 years.
@@rupe53 not without also building the supply chain needed for that massive of a project, the jobs that alone will create is what keeps us growing and out of recession.
Where do you find all of this B-roll, great quality!
Thank you! Actually a lot of the B-roll is either media footage or footage from the Gateway Program. Only exception was the footage at the start, that was from various UA-cam video compilations 👍👍
@@DTransitfor future videos you’re more than welcome to take some of my videos to use in yours.
Miami Florida built Amtrak a brand new beautiful train depot at Miami. International airport is called “Miami Intermodal Center “ the station connects to Miami metro train, tri-rail commuter train, Miami sky train to the airport lobby, greyhound bus station and all the car rental companies.
Yet, Amtrak has NOT moved in for seven 7 years they have come up with excuses and demands while staying at the old ugly station 2 miles north of Miami international airport inside an old ugly industrial area.
Yup..All those underground tunnels built in the early 1900's are starting to crack & peel...
Someone forgot Metro North...
the Northeast's tunnels need to be very heavily rennovated or replaced overall, Metro-North suffers from an issue with trains being too long for a large amount of their platforms, this prevents seeing the bike-car style commuter trains that ya see in places like LA and San Francisco. An upgraded set of tunnels in the northeast, not just along the NEC, but also along the Harlem and Empire Corridor would allow double decker trains. The has the advantage of allowing the same length of trains, with nearly double the passenger seating capacity, and allow them to add proper bike cars without cutting passenger capacity.
The climates of California and NY/NJ are very different especially in winter and bikes are simply not an option in the North East in winter.
@@adriandunne4382 Don't tell me that I attend university in a suburb of NYC and I bike in the winter. regardless, 3/4 of the year it's bikeable for more "normal" people I guess, and they'd still benefit from dedicated bike cars, even if you only run them on trainsets half the year.
It will cost 3 times as estimated and take twice as long and only is all goes "well".....
probably, by not starting the world will not make it any cheaper as we’ve seen.
I like how the animation of the Portal North Bridge still has the current Acela train sets running on it in 2028. Given the rollout of the Avelia Liberty that feels about right.
My father was Station Master of Penn Station in Newark until he retired in 96. I remember him having to stay at work for hours after his shift because that damn bridge outside the station heading into ny was stuck causing insane delays on the NE Corridor.
Ny and nj residents pay insane taxes but cant fix infrastructure? Maybe you all should find out why your taxes are not being used correctly
2:55 Christie Kream! It's amazing just how much he failed New Jersey.
He really didn't though. During his term he inherited a state with increasingly bad debt problems and had to steer them out of it. It's very difficult cause so much money has been squandered there and raising taxes anymore will just send even more people out of state.
I am not excusing Chris Christie cancelling the ARC plan, because this was definitely not his rationale for doing it. But as it happens, it would only have done so much to enable the rehab needed for the original North River Tunnels because it didn't offer any rail connectivity to Sunnyside Yard and beyond. It would have taken some of the sting out of, say, closing one North River Tunnel at a time because it would have let NJT keep running a decent amount of service and left more of the (severely reduced) capacity in the remaining tunnel for Amtrak to use. In the end Gateway is a better project overall. I just can't get over the feeling that we're going to run out of time before it gets done, though, whereas ARC could have been done by now.
They should have started the gateway project years ago.
Not to get political, but republicans said no. In fact right now, DeSantis--who voted against NYC-NJ getting relief rescue money for Hurricane Sandy--will now get money/help that he didn't think anyone in the NE Corridor should get. He said it was public welfare. The far-right is far wrong.
@@joecesa that's right. You are correct. The Republicans never seem to want to invest in infrastructure unless something tragic happens in their state.
Let’s go prudential center
that segment @ 2:43 strikes me as the best recording of trainspotting ever --- shame about that compulsion at blighting it with cleptoparasitically corporate slides though...
This isn't a trainspotting video. Cry about it.
oo la --- customarily mistaking emotiveness compels that one into...dismissing some dronesome productionist's cloud cuckoo-land...
I believe that NJ Transit Line you mention at 5:51 is pronounced PASS-kack, not "pass-SACK". it is named for the Pascack Brook which runs through the general area served by the Pascack Valley Line (former New Jersey & New York RR, which was a subsidiary of the Erie RR). Thanks for your video - let's hope SOME of this gets built before the next "superstorm" finishes off New York's aging rail tunnels for good!
I thought he meant Passaic which is native American and pronounced “pe-SAY-ik”.
The maps you use are wrong, It seems like it goes through Hartford when it travels along 95 through Rhode Island and up to Boston.
The Hartford routing reflects Amtrak’s long term plan to move the NY-Boston corridor to a faster (less curve burdened) route away from the shore line.
@@thomasschlegel7811 OK, but still not the NEC though.
omg!!! new jersey mentioned!!!
The users of the tracks need to be responsible for 100% of the cost. Users are the company that receives money from ridership and not public funds.
Damn, that would have been a good project to start in 2020
I don't understand why Republicans always oppose these kinds of projects. Is it because it services a major metro area and not the small towns their voters live in? Or like why is this less important to them then another highway lane expansion that never works?
Because they haven't taken a train for most of their lives, and they think approving $1 of spending is a sign of weakness (unless it's to buy guns or burn books).
Republicans have the sole agenda of preserving billionaire wealth. This project, as well as other HSR projects, don't further that agenda.
Because they think they can win more voters by making life in urban areas as miserable as possible.
Yep!If you built the track say in 1930 or so,that would seriously be cheaper!
Our great-grandparents should have done more. Lazy bastards.
This is interesting, but not being familiar with NYC area rail, I just couldn't really follow it. I wish you'd try again but simpler, if possible, and slower. Concentrate more on the map and less on stock train footage. Maybe start with a map of the existing system and then add the proposed changes in a different color as you talk about them.
Nevertheless, thank you for attempting.
There aren't 2200 trains a day on the NEC. That number is the aggregate for all the commuter rail agencies in the cities along the NEC, not just the trains that run on the corridor. Only a fraction of MBTA or SEPTA's trains actually run on the NEC. The total number, including Amtrak, is about 800-1000 trains.
You forgot Marc in Maryland
Would love to see a clean modern rail system in the U.S. But the stations in too many destinations are a risk to stop at between 9 pm and 6 am. Travel by rail is nice but I won’t risk my life to do it.
NJT Septa and the other commuter networks arent bad but i cannot say the same for the subway
I'd rather take my chances with some meth head with a knife then dodging F-150s going 50 in a residential.
NJT is safe. Subway is safe in most places and statistically very safe. NJT definitely has less crazies than the MTA though.
The guy in charge quit because of all the problems
Seems as this may be a kick the can project as both new tunnels are single track which again seems to be the traffic bottleneck problem to begin with isn't it ? It's just rerouting the exit elsewhere
The existing tunnel is double track. The new gateway tunnel will be double track as well. Then the existing old tunnle wll be restored after the new tunnel is built, this four tracks between New Jersey and Manhattan, NYC
And make sure that the people in NYC pay for it.
this is such a pittance of a project... the fact the video's title says its failure is inevitable displays a lack of understanding surrounding the fact that countries with less liquidity than the US have built much more successful passenger rail
Passiac is pronounced “ pa say hick’ no pah SACK !
Northeast corridor? If you're going to do it then do it right. The United States Atlantic bullet line from Boston Massachusetts to Jacksonville Florida. This would be a bullet train line that would run from Boston Massachusetts to Jacksonville Florida, stopping in one or two major city in each state it travels through. At 225 plus mph, you could move millions of americans up and down the entire United States Eastern seaboard each year and with the greatest of comfort. I could board in Philadelphia Pennsylvania and be at work in New York city in an hour or less and still be home in time for supper in the evening. Then i could spend my money in Pennsylvania where i live. This is called economic growth. It would take me 4 to 6 hours to get to Jacksonville Florida by bullet instead of 12 to 13 hours by car or 15 to 17 hours by EV. You damn right i would park my car and take the train, wouldn't you? This project would probably cost about 2 to 4 hundred billion dollars which is far beneficial, greater and better than putting some fool on mars for 500 plus billion dollars which would benefit absolutely no one except for the fool going there. But the mighty United States of America and it's people just doesn't see it thus the reason why this technology belongs to the far more advanced countries of the far east and Europe. Highspeed bullet trains and maglev super train technology, the new american dream.......
Every stop slows down the time, though. A direct service between Florida and Boston would be faster. If SpaceX's Starship proves successful, point-to-point flights may be possible. The rocket would launch from Cape Canaveral fly a suborbital northeast trajectory up to 70-100 miles high, then swoop down to land at Boston in less than 30 minutes.
@@jackeppington6488 See you must be an American. The United States Atlantic bullet line would be made up of 4 lines 2 lines noth and south make the city to city stops. The other 2 lines are for express. This rocket technology you speak of, dosent exsist. Highspeed bullet trains and maglev super train technology, does. The so called (mighty) United States of America should of had this decades ago. You still can reach Jacksonville Florida from Philadelphia in less than 7 hours, a 12 to 13 hour trip by car. But americans don't see it. And fly? I watch the news. Thousands of Americans sit stranded at airports due to cancellations and delays during the holidays and travel seasons. A rocket? Lol!!! Highspeed bullet trains and maglev super train technology, the new american dream.....
i feel like the NE corridor should just bite the cost and use SC maglev. no better place in the world than there for capacity
Remember the big in Boston billions in overruns and waste just wait till NJ &NYNY digs their pot of gold!
I feel sorry for the us. It feels to me like a project this size gets finished every other year somewhere in europe.
someone forgot metro north
Doesn't PATH have its own tunnels under the Hudson meaning there are 2 routes from NJ to lower/mid Manhattan?
Yes they do. I didn't word it very well; I meant that the Northeast Corridor is really the only rail line with further access to points north, as well an ability to sustain a large volume of trains. Sorry about that.
PATH actually has two sets of tunnels under the river. One set basically leads right to the World Trade Center, and the other set is further north, leading to Christopher Street.
If you're counting PATH then there's three pairs of tunnels (the North River tunnels on the NEC, the uptown PATH tubes, and the downtown PATH tubes). But PATH is already operating at capacity in terms of passengers, and even if it were possible for mainline trains to use those tiny tubes, they don't physically connect to anything on the New York side.
Yes, but that's separate from the NEC, only compatible with their trains and no east of Penn Station neighborhood connection. If the North Tunnels were deemed inoperable, or the repairs deeded urgent, some passengers could use them to get to the Penn station neighborhood, more capacity would be needed by bus and flights
I have rarely heard such mangled English in my (fairly lengthy) life so far. Shakespeare invented many new words which have passed into common modern usage. It would be presumptuous to emulate him.
Hi there. I'm a new subscriber. I really enjoyed watching this video, although I was just wondering if you do a documentary about the London Underground's Bakerloo line extension. I'm sure that many of your fans would like to know that. Thanks x Harry x
Could never understand why US put a human on the moon but could match Japan’s bullet train.
4:32 where is this video from
That artist's rendition of Penn Station South at 8:43 is definitely showing its age with that particular choice of skyscrapers in the background...
I only see the video as being 8:08 minutes ling, strange
@@AdiposeExpress it looks like he had to cut out that part of the video due to music copyright issues
@@AdiposeExpress fwiw, it was an artist's rendition with the twin towers in the background...
@@keithfratusSucks because it feels quite jarring having them cut off mid sentence. But good to know it isn't just on my end.
1:45...it "would impede with millions of commuters..." ?? It should say: "would impede millions of..." No 'WITH"
THE NEW TUNNEL NEED TO BE 2 TRACKS IN EACH TUNNEL, EITHER EACH TUNNEL TRAVELLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, OR ONE UP AND ONE DOWN PER TUNNEL
SuPeRsToRm Hyperbole. It was barely a cat 1 at landfall and was only called a “superstorm” because it hit the tristate area.
I'll be honest, considering what New Jersey did to their budget and debt before Christie I don't blame him for being "nah" on Arc, previous administrations royally screwed the pooch. I also don't really blame Trump that much, he might have shot down federal funding but he's not why it's been over 100 years since there was a new tunnel, merely one of many presidents who looked the other way. Also, nice jumpcut at 7:42
ARC was a crazy idea. This new one is still crazy. Yes, the tunnels need help. But way to costly.
I know, change is hard. Progress is hard. Better to just stay home and safe and live in the past.
yea we will see this done in year of 2100
Why does NYC think, I they fail, everyone else will fail? The rest of the state, and country would be fine.
You're not taking into account the new grand central madison terminal that was just opened about a year ago
That’s a different terminal. No access between Penn Station and Grand Central Terminal via railroad, except by subways.
In 3 1/2 years from now, Another railroad is to serve Penn Station, which is Metro-North’s New Haven Line thru the Hell Gate Bridge and 4 new stations in The Bronx: Co-op City, Pelham Parkway, Parkchester Van Nest & Hunts Point. No stops in Queens.
@@jorgegaston5391 The no stops in queens makes sense, Queens is served by both NYC subway and LIRR.
That terminal was built to allow LIRR to reach Grand Central, so that serves Queens and Long Island
The US government sure wastes a lot of money on stupid crap. This isn’t one of them and should be built ASAP. The NEC is as vital as the interstate highway system for American commerce.
It's just money... we can print more.....
If it needs to be fixed, let's do it now, the infrastructure bill is looking for projects to fulfill. Puts lots of people to work with good paying jobs. It's already passed and signed into law, the moneys there. Not seeing a problem, would have been much cheaper if we'd just maintain as we went along, nows the time to do things right.
My solution to the trafgic congestion in the Northeast is to move out of it. High coss, high taxes, high crime.....yeech.