@@MotorFeedIn this case Mahendra is doing serious great with its “Thar” which is an Indian made Jeep , people call it as a jeep look a like take a look of it on google
I'm not defending the prices on the Jeeps, believe me. But the top of the line freaking piece of crap Polaris is $55,000! And they're not discounting them! The prices are out of control. And that's why I drive an '01 Jeep Cherokee with 185K miles. And I would drive it anyplace.
Do they really cost that much? If nobody buys them, the market is telling you that the price is way off. They only cost what people are actually paying. 🙂
My bmw x3 was way less expensive than a wrangler 4xe. Jeep dealer wouldn’t come off their price so I went to BMW. No additional dealer markup or fake dealer options. Stellantis and their dealers can all go bankrupt.
wrong car at the wrong time grand wagoneer / wagoneer was going to be a in its exclusive area show room at the jeep dealer . my fav beach .back yard tonkas where jeeps ,wagoneer, CJ , comando and been in love with them ever since owned a 1988 Grand wagoneer wood grain sides from 1993-97 this is just a name its not that grand , did drive the inline I-6 not bad will this go 200k miles like the 4.0? I put 200k on my 95 grand Cherokee
with that engine, it wasnt worth it at all. also, m not american. why american people keep trying to buy brand new cars? didnt get it. ehats wrong with 22 model low milage ones?
I happened to visit a Jeep dealer today. One of the workers was giving a Wrangler Sahara 4XE on display outside the door a "going over." I happened to comment to him that I wouldn't touch one of those with a 10-foot pole. He smiled and said, "I agree."
Other than a diesel 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck. Those are still realistically worth 40-50 because they can tow 30,000 pounds (which is overkill for 99% of people but the hardware is still worth the money)
What many people don't understand is that these prices are paid in cash. If you take out a bank loan to pay for a vehicle, you must add 50% to 60% more to the total payment of the vehicle, so if you buy a vehicle for $60,000, in monthly installments you end up paying about $90,000 to $100,000 and the annual interest doesn't keep steady, it's keeps creeping up, so it becomes an impossible debt to pay.
And some states base the license plate fees on the "official sticker price" for your make, model and year (minus depreciation). I wouldn't be surprised if these are $3K+ in fees each year, for the first few years. Indiana charges me next to nothing, since my 20+ year old Saturns (DMV says the MSRP was like $13,755 back in the day) have now depreciated to practically nothing.
I remember Stellintis, Gm employees was making 28hr back in 2000 when a 2000 Yukon denali was 46k. Now, employees making 34hr and the denali 75k to 90k or more
@@InternetUser._ It's *crazy* what Chump printing 7.8 trillion dollars and adding 25% to the national debt and devaluing our currency will do. I hope you're standing back and standing by for massive increases in raw materials coming in.
The Grand Wagooner Serie 3 is gorgeous inside. My boss bought one last year, got rid of his troublesome Escalade, and loves the Wagoneer. His has the Hemi, 6.2L. and the wood is real, and the leather rivals anything the Europeans have, possibly better. I don't like the looks of the Wagoneer, but the White/Black Roof combination on his is nice. They are too expensive, but everything is, I wish Jeep would go back to its' roots. The maintenance costs on German Cars are outrageous!
I'm a Wrangler guy, have had 3 of them in the last 13 years. I rented a Rubicon 4xe earlier this month and that thing was a piece of crap. Couldn't even charge it at public charging stations, for one it uses the slower JST style connectors and when I did find a station with that, it gave me a service charging system error. Thanks, but no thanks... I'm going to go out on a limb and say EPA requirements has killed the Wrangler.
I honestly love my 2018 frontier. So far it’s been the most reliable I’ve owned with 132,000 thousand miles on it. The mechanical issue I’ve had is the alternator going out. Overall great trucks nothing fancy just very basic with a back up camera. I only wish the back seats had more room.
@ The transmission has been great so far no issues at all. To be honest I was worried about the transmission because the stuff I’ve heard. I have a v6 not the flex fuel. I’m still getting the same mpg as a full size truck. 16 in the city maybe 21 on highway. I know this may sound kind of dumb but to me it reminds me of an old pick up like the ones my uncle’s used to have. It’s really easy to grab things from bed. I’m not having to step on my tire or climb in to reach anything. If I can’t grab what I’m wanting from one side all I need to do is walk around. It’s not all that quite on the highway. It’s gets the job done on just about every thing I need to do.
@@inunez7271 Thanks for the honest response. Being able to grab stuff out of a bed is important to me too. I know people who have had that V6 in their pathfinder and they said the MPG wasn't good but it sounds like a decent truck compared to the overengineered trucks they're selling today. Glad your transmission is doing good.
@ you’re welcome; I’m only 30 years old. I agree trucks are not trucks anymore. They have way too many computers and components. I would love to get another full size tuck or 2500. The prices are ridiculous. Just to get the things I want I need to upgrade packages which just means more money no thank you. I’m happy with towing hitch, a reverse camera of course Bluetooth radio just because it’s easier to answer phone calls. Thats all I really need. Side note if you do have kids that are still in car seats or teens there’s not be enough leg space. Especially with car seats. Overall the only complaint i really have is that I wish the back seats had more space. Think about it like the back seats of a frontier crew cab is the same as a Ram 1500 quad cab.
I paid about $114,800 for my house in 2012. If I wanted a "JEEP", I want one like Daisy Duke (Catherine Bach) had on "The Dukes of Hazzard", or the one Pam Dawber had on "Mork & Mindy". Maybe 4WD, or maybe RWD. A simple, functional workhorse.
I just purchased a brand new 2025 RAV 4. It cost me a whopping $30,000 with some nice options added in. My previous one lasted 17 years with almost no repairs required. Try doing that with a Jeep.
Enjoy your videos. We bought a new 2023 BMW X5 after testing driving the X5 and X5M( I was a Jeep Grand Cherokee fan, by the way, but not with their price) . Since I'm not going to drag race the SUV and drive 120+ on the surface road every day, the X5 has enough luxury and speed I will ever need. We also bought extended mechanic, service warranty, and tire coverage. It all brings the out-the-door price to around 74K with discounts. There were some heavy road reconstructions around our neighborhood for over a year and half. We ran over so much shit we changed every tire at least once at different times because the holes and cuts were so bad they could not be patched. I also ran over a crowbar once and damaged a rear wheel and fender cover that had to be replaced. All the cost was "0". Just replace a rear wheel and tire already paid for the extended warranty. Every time we buy a new or used car, we always purchase a transferable extended warranty to cover the life of the vehicle. That could be something you can talk about in your video.
@@182QKFTW Fiat is a company from the same shared holdings corporation. FCA was Fiat - Chrysler America. Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram was never a Fiat company in much the same way Tide is not a Gain company. Both are owned by P&G. Under Stellantis, it's a merger of The Peugeot group (PSA) with FCA... again... not making any Chrysler-owned company either Peugeot or Fiat. It's simply not how anything works. VAG owns VW and Audi. Audi owns Lamborghini. VW owns a smattering of companies. An Audi is not a VW product. A Lamborghini is not a VW product. All of them are VAG products. VAG does not have the same leadership as VW. VW and Audi's leadership answers to VAG. Audi's leadership reports to VAG leadership on behalf of Lamborghini leadership... not VW's, Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram does not answer to Fiat. They answer to Stellantis. Let me know if you're still (somehow???????) confused by basic corporate ownership of companies.
@@tim3172 You have way tooo much time on your hands! You missed the point. Timmy. Point is that they are trash, and "Jeep is not even in the same ball field as Mercedes, BMW, Audi"
Their cars were so outdated that they went out of business in the world's largest car market, China. You should see the body on frame stuff China has out today. Crazy stuff.
It is like the auto industry forgot the lesson that Henry Ford taught about economics of scale and selling to the entire middle/working class with an affordable product.
The bean counters don't look at things that way anymore. It's all about profit margin per vehicle, and luxury priced SUVs and trucks are what bring them the most profit per unit sold. They could give two shits what the average middle class American wants and needs.
Also you have to talk about the cost of maintenance between the brands. I know the jeep is trying to be luxury but the maintenance is not as much as the luxury brands. I’m certainly not making excuses for how jeep is pricing at all nor should a jeep be luxury haha 🤣
prices of autos the last couple years got me thinking everyone’s pay other than mine must have increased substantially cuz how else can ppl afford these prices? I must be financially poor even tho I have zero debt cuz I can’t contemplate paying the the average $45k auto
I have owned two jeeps. This is why i will never buy another. Bought a Chrysler. It needed a new engine within the main warranty period. They denied it because all of the oil changes were not completed at the dealership. Stay away from this company!
You should be comparing the Waggoneers with GM and Ford full size SUV's. I used to work at a C, D, J, R dealership and we had Waggoneers and Hornets that we had since there were shipped to our dealership that they were first models. The problem is when someone wants to test drive, you have to jump it. When jumping a Hornet R/T, you have to charge the battery for 2 hours and then program the modules. C, D, J, R vehicles are overpriced because they are putting all the bells and whistles in the vehicles.
118k is absolutely insane for known issues with quality. Regardless of depreciation, family size, income, net worth. I could have 6 kids,wife and a million dollars in bank and still would not buy that. A RV or fixer upper home in the sticks makes more sense. lol. Wtf is the dealer smoking, cr@ck is wack.🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
A 118k vehicle is not marked to people with a million in their bank account, champ. Add a zero to that. *Poor person bleats out how they would live if they were wealthy. Doctors report a major increase in eyeroll-related injuries.*
My first house was 90K. A very nice 4 bed ranch all brick with 2 acres of land in 1995. Less than 30 years later a truck that will be in the junkyard in a few years costs about the same.
Parts delays across the board for a ton of models with no ETA. Dealers Can’t sell the vehicles on their lot. Dodge, Jeep and ram are going to the highest bidder. Stellantis has to sell the brands.
Head over to the Acura dealership and show the MDX. SH-AWD, N/A 3.5L engine, great value and tech for money and one-ups Lexus with their fwd and turbo vehicles.
FYI a couple of cars you pointed at as having "flat" paint, was incorrect. They were non-metallic, glossy finish colors, not "flat," which refers to the non-reflective, almost industrial/military like finish available as special order on some vehicles.
I will say I've almost owned almost every brand and I love my 4×e Rubicon with a Rubicon x package. Better than any car on the road. I got $13,000 off of it. I do agree with you All of the car prices are way too high!!
I get your point with the Mercedes and agree with you. But with that said, you need to research the power of those hurricane HP. They make crazy power. It might only last 20k miles but they make great power
Just checked out a Grand Wagoneer on Jeep Canada to see the insane price. They are offering an $11,000 discount but it only applies if you finance it over 84 or 96 months at 5.49% interest. Doing the math and financing it at 72 months without their discount but a higher price for the jeep, you still save money. What crooks.
@@MotorFeed Yeah, offering a product at a disclosed price with a clearly-published interest rate and payment schedule is so shady and deceptive. What next? Credit cards that cost you money if you don't pay in full every month? The horror.
On that grand wagoneer that was really expensive you should know that when you looked and it had the V6 hurricane engine you have to look in the options because it could be replaced by the v8 so it might not really have a V6 in it it might have been replaced with a v8 in the opinions list. Just been in the car business my entire life so i know a few things
I'm a Toyota/Lexus person all the way through myself. Around 20-25 years ago or so I had strong leanings towards BMW and Mercedes when it came to what a luxury vehicle is and should be. They are both nice brands but just not my cup of tea anymore. As I discovered Toyota and Lexus since that time.. and I know those brands are not everyone else's cup of tea either so please spare me. With that said I look at these Jeeps, the Grand Wagoneer more specifically and its hefty price tag. There is really no way I would ever consider that option up next to a comparable Lexus with a $70-80k pricetag on it. I certainly wouldn't go after a Lexus with $120k price tag like the Jeep option even if I was flush with cash, it just would never happen. I have had a brand new vehicle before and will never go that route again because of the high prices and the instant depreciation. I am perfectly comfortable and satisfied with a gently used, certified pre owned Toyota/Lexus around $30k or under. These cars/trucks across the board these days are just not all they are cracked up to be anymore in my opinion as most brands have really gone down the tubes (including some of Toyota/Lexus) these last 3 to 5 years or so. I just want quality, a decent looking and reliable ride, nothing overly glammed up or flashy as I really have nothing to prove to anybody. The car is not an extension of my worthiness as a person on this planet.. if that is you then so be it. I'd go back to a car from the 60's, 70's, 80's if it was in good shape.
The basic Jeep design was created in 1937. I think their development course have long ago been paid for sure. They’ve updated a few things here and there, but the essential design is still the same. They play the same design going on 100 years.
I've owned numerous Wranglers 4 or 5 Cherokees (3 XJs) 3 Grands (ZJ's) 1 Wagoner and a Comanche.I felt a departure starting in 2006 and a general distaste for the name now.Way to turn an actual fan. They have gotten so far away from where they began, I dont see them bouncing back anytime soon
I currently own two XJs and one comanche. Ive owned muktiple wjs zjs and a wagoneer. I would never EVER buy a post 2006 jeep. My wife drives my 2006 4runner and from here on out all im buying for daily drivers are toyotas(not the newest generation). But im gonna continue to hoard xjs and i really want a 5.9 zj.
I'm 51yrs old. $40,000 weekly and *I'm retired, this video have inspired me greatly in many ways that I remember my past of how I struggled with many things in life to be where I am today!!!!* ❤️
Same here waking up every 14th of each month to 210,000 dollars it's a blessing to l and my family... I can now retire knowing that I have a steady income❤️Big gratitude to Maria Frances Hanlon
That square body would look good next to my K5 Blazer. And damn, I remember it wasn't long ago that a car that cost 100K or more would be something really special-not some generic-looking mall crawler mom-mobile.
I don’t think y’all are understanding. There needs to be a massive over correction because as it stands from my perspective, this has become about principal. It’s not about reasonable prices anymore. It’s about proving a point and making these companies bow down. Only then will they have a chance of getting their customers back. we’ve learned how to fix our cars, we’ve learned how to live without getting another car every two years, we’ve learned how to use a transit center , we’ve learned how to live without them.
The problem is there trying to make it harder for a normal joe or mechanics to work on them also so you have to bring them back to the dealerships to get worked on instead so they can make even more money!! Its all corrupt BS
Dictionary, define impotent rage. "Impotent rage is best distilled by reading Roger's post." THEY WILL RUE THE DAY! THE OUTRAGES WE HAVE SUFFERED TODAY WILL NOT BE SOON FORGOTTEN! WE WILL NOT FORGET THE OUTRAGES! NOT THE OUTR-! Fact check: the percentage of people in the US who use public transport to get to work has gone down by about 3% since 2018 and about 5% since 2016. But do, keep bleating out how we've "learned how to use them." (Also, doesn't GM, Ford, and FCA produce the majority of US public transport? GM makes a ton of rolling stock and locomotives and buses. Ford makes buses. FCA makes the plain chassis which is later outfitted to make buses. Oops.)
Thanks mate enjoy your channel,being a car nut and an American vehicle lover your prices are still dooo,able compared to here in Australia,and now your new presidents got some interesting ideas on import /export duty,s which will hurt the buying price here ,and yes i agree Lexus is great value and based on Toyota components generally very reliable. Drive safe bloke Kym Adelaide
I'd get the Yukon Denali or even better the AT4. My most luxurious vehicle was an F150 limited and I would never do it again. By the way I bought that truck used with 10,000 miles for $41K but it sticker for $55K so that was 2014 so just look at how much the price has increased in 10 years.
Jeep prices are absurd, however you are not comparing same size vehicles. The Grand Wagoneer is a massive 3 row SUV and most of the other vehicles you compared to are just not the same size.
I'll just keep maintaining and fixing my '17 Ram, thank you very much. They've tricked people into thinking $50,000-$100,000+ is a good price for a Jeep product. Give me a break. Although I somewhat agree that you'd might as well get a true luxury brand instead of a Grand Wagoneer, just wait until you have to fix that luxury car. You're going to regret it.
Hahaha, when he founds a giant Sprinter bigger than the Grand Wagoneer,he says is great for your family adventures and all the stuff you can carry, so it's better. When he founds a Q8, smaller than the Grand Wagoneer, he says you seldomly will fill up that huge Jeep, so the Audi is better.😂
And you can't buy any small trucks but I found out why a lot of times it government regulation and penalties on manufacturers that raise the cost all these vehicles and inflation and supply shortages and scarcity
Go ahead and ask a salesmen what the payments will be on one of those "cheap" $75k vehicles with 20% down for 60 months ,,,(with 6-8 % interest,,). Now DIVIDE that payment into your monthly take home income (remembering this is for 5 years although 6 and even 7 year terms may be available). If it exceeds 10% (recommended) you can't afford it.
There shouldn’t be any Jeep Wranglers over $35,000
Seriously. Over $50k for the bare bones Sport S is pure insanity.
Only the 392
@@MotorFeedIn this case Mahendra is doing serious great with its “Thar” which is an Indian made Jeep , people call it as a jeep look a like take a look of it on google
@@MELOSINCE87LIVE 40k
I'm not defending the prices on the Jeeps, believe me. But the top of the line freaking piece of crap Polaris is $55,000! And they're not discounting them! The prices are out of control. And that's why I drive an '01 Jeep Cherokee with 185K miles. And I would drive it anyplace.
I literally owe less on my house than what most of those vehicles cost.
I paid less for the whole house.
Congratulations friend
Lol he said literally
Do they really cost that much?
If nobody buys them, the market is telling you that the price is way off.
They only cost what people are actually paying. 🙂
Same here. They have gone insane with the prices. There aren’t any shortages anymore. I can’t see how they justify this BS.
My bmw x3 was way less expensive than a wrangler 4xe. Jeep dealer wouldn’t come off their price so I went to BMW. No additional dealer markup or fake dealer options. Stellantis and their dealers can all go bankrupt.
That Grand Wagoneer is absolutely ugly. Man it's 50k overpriced. Maybe more.
wrong car at the wrong time grand wagoneer / wagoneer was going to be a in its exclusive area show room at the jeep dealer . my fav beach .back yard tonkas where jeeps ,wagoneer, CJ , comando and been in love with them ever since owned a 1988 Grand wagoneer wood grain sides from 1993-97 this is just a name its not that grand , did drive the inline I-6 not bad will this go 200k miles like the 4.0? I put 200k on my 95 grand Cherokee
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 I'd bet a whole paycheck that it will not go 200K without major repairs.
Agree 100% The cheaper Grand Cherokee L looks much nicer.
Wow you forgot about the Genesis SUV'S that can match dollar per dollar the value of any Lexus SUV'S.
@@RespectfullyHumble That's a Hyundai product. That's like comparing Dom Perignon with Boonesfarm.
The Wagoneer needs at least 50% discount. RIDICULOUS. lol
Seriously
Even at 50% off is it worth owning a vehicle thats in the shop all the time???
with that engine, it wasnt worth it at all. also, m not american. why american people keep trying to buy brand new cars? didnt get it. ehats wrong with 22 model low milage ones?
Fact that it’s priced so much more than any Lexus or Acura
I happened to visit a Jeep dealer today. One of the workers was giving a Wrangler Sahara 4XE on display outside the door a "going over." I happened to comment to him that I wouldn't touch one of those with a 10-foot pole. He smiled and said, "I agree."
meaning it's unreliable ?
Truly an oxymoron - "luxury jeep"
Kind of like an opulent Yugo. 🙄
lol.I bought a Jeep once and it started falling apart from day one.Quality isn’t hasn’t been their forte
I think they wanted to position Jeep as an alternative to Land Rover?
Jeep wagoneer looks like a minivan
Well in Canada a Jeep Rubicon X is 95K
They are selling nothing.
I think Stellantis should sell Jeep.
They clearly dont know how the business works
That's a great idea. Selling jeep. Sell it to toyota!
YES they should sell Jeep. I love that idea. I want a Wrangler just not a Stellantis built Wrangler.
Canada is garbage.
Wranglers need to be sold at under $40k for base model and $45-50k max for Rubicon.
40k for rubicon
@@jwill540yeah 15 maybe?You people dont understand cost of materials,safety equipment in new cars and higher wages of workers?
I cannot believe that people are paying extra for clear coated primer grey paint
My wife and I bought a 23 lexus gx460. 60 grand, V8 and 10 year 100,000 mile warranty. 4 wheel drive all the time. Super quiet and made to last.
No truck or suv should ever be over 30,000
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Other than a diesel 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck. Those are still realistically worth 40-50 because they can tow 30,000 pounds (which is overkill for 99% of people but the hardware is still worth the money)
Stellantis salesman here. They have absolutely no idea what’s going on.
They don’t win in ANY way. Overpriced because of greed
What many people don't understand is that these prices are paid in cash. If you take out a bank loan to pay for a vehicle, you must add 50% to 60% more to the total payment of the vehicle, so if you buy a vehicle for $60,000, in monthly installments you end up paying about $90,000 to $100,000 and the annual interest doesn't keep steady, it's keeps creeping up, so it becomes an impossible debt to pay.
And some states base the license plate fees on the "official sticker price" for your make, model and year (minus depreciation). I wouldn't be surprised if these are $3K+ in fees each year, for the first few years. Indiana charges me next to nothing, since my 20+ year old Saturns (DMV says the MSRP was like $13,755 back in the day) have now depreciated to practically nothing.
60k @7% will cost you like 12,000 bro for 5 years.. so total loan would be like 72…if your rates higher the total interest charge will be more…
I remember Stellintis, Gm employees was making 28hr back in 2000 when a 2000 Yukon denali was 46k. Now, employees making 34hr and the denali 75k to 90k or more
All of the executives are each making millions of dollars more every year.
Bought a Yukon XL in 2001 for $38k. Still use it as my everyday car. Still running better than my newer cars.
25% income increase.
100+% cost of living increase.
"Gm employees was"
Does anyone take the opinion of illiterates seriously?
@@InternetUser._ It's *crazy* what Chump printing 7.8 trillion dollars and adding 25% to the national debt and devaluing our currency will do.
I hope you're standing back and standing by for massive increases in raw materials coming in.
The Grand Wagooner Serie 3 is gorgeous inside. My boss bought one last year, got rid of his troublesome Escalade, and loves the Wagoneer. His has the Hemi, 6.2L. and the wood is real, and the leather rivals anything the Europeans have, possibly better. I don't like the looks of the Wagoneer, but the White/Black Roof combination on his is nice. They are too expensive, but everything is, I wish Jeep would go back to its' roots. The maintenance costs on German Cars are outrageous!
I'm a Wrangler guy, have had 3 of them in the last 13 years. I rented a Rubicon 4xe earlier this month and that thing was a piece of crap. Couldn't even charge it at public charging stations, for one it uses the slower JST style connectors and when I did find a station with that, it gave me a service charging system error. Thanks, but no thanks... I'm going to go out on a limb and say EPA requirements has killed the Wrangler.
Just bought a new 2024 Nissan Frontier 4x4 for the mid 30s. Pretty basic truck, but no way I could afford 50k plus Jeep.
I honestly love my 2018 frontier. So far it’s been the most reliable I’ve owned with 132,000 thousand miles on it. The mechanical issue I’ve had is the alternator going out. Overall great trucks nothing fancy just very basic with a back up camera. I only wish the back seats had more room.
@@inunez7271 How has the transmission been? Hows the gas mileage?
@ The transmission has been great so far no issues at all. To be honest I was worried about the transmission because the stuff I’ve heard. I have a v6 not the flex fuel. I’m still getting the same mpg as a full size truck. 16 in the city maybe 21 on highway. I know this may sound kind of dumb but to me it reminds me of an old pick up like the ones my uncle’s used to have. It’s really easy to grab things from bed. I’m not having to step on my tire or climb in to reach anything. If I can’t grab what I’m wanting from one side all I need to do is walk around. It’s not all that quite on the highway. It’s gets the job done on just about every thing I need to do.
@@inunez7271 Thanks for the honest response. Being able to grab stuff out of a bed is important to me too. I know people who have had that V6 in their pathfinder and they said the MPG wasn't good but it sounds like a decent truck compared to the overengineered trucks they're selling today. Glad your transmission is doing good.
@ you’re welcome; I’m only 30 years old. I agree trucks are not trucks anymore. They have way too many computers and components. I would love to get another full size tuck or 2500. The prices are ridiculous. Just to get the things I want I need to upgrade packages which just means more money no thank you. I’m happy with towing hitch, a reverse camera of course Bluetooth radio just because it’s easier to answer phone calls. Thats all I really need. Side note if you do have kids that are still in car seats or teens there’s not be enough leg space. Especially with car seats. Overall the only complaint i really have is that I wish the back seats had more space. Think about it like the back seats of a frontier crew cab is the same as a Ram 1500 quad cab.
I paid about $114,800 for my house in 2012. If I wanted a "JEEP", I want one like Daisy Duke (Catherine Bach) had on "The Dukes of Hazzard", or the one Pam Dawber had on "Mork & Mindy". Maybe 4WD, or maybe RWD. A simple, functional workhorse.
I enjoyed this video. Being able to see all the different brands. It saved me a day trip window shopping.
I just purchased a brand new 2025 RAV 4. It cost me a whopping $30,000 with some nice options added in. My previous one lasted 17 years with almost no repairs required. Try doing that with a Jeep.
Regular GLS 450 is the better comparison to the Grand Wagoneer. 3.0L in-line 6 Turbo, starts at $89,200 !
Enjoy your videos. We bought a new 2023 BMW X5 after testing driving the X5 and X5M( I was a Jeep Grand Cherokee fan, by the way, but not with their price) . Since I'm not going to drag race the SUV and drive 120+ on the surface road every day, the X5 has enough luxury and speed I will ever need. We also bought extended mechanic, service warranty, and tire coverage. It all brings the out-the-door price to around 74K with discounts. There were some heavy road reconstructions around our neighborhood for over a year and half. We ran over so much shit we changed every tire at least once at different times because the holes and cuts were so bad they could not be patched. I also ran over a crowbar once and damaged a rear wheel and fender cover that had to be replaced. All the cost was "0". Just replace a rear wheel and tire already paid for the extended warranty. Every time we buy a new or used car, we always purchase a transferable extended warranty to cover the life of the vehicle. That could be something you can talk about in your video.
They can ask a zillion dollars for their garbage and still, only people that need to get their heads checked will buy.
Ram needs to fire everyone in their front office including the CEO. They are tanking that company
Jeep is not even in the same ball field as Mercedes, BMW, Audi.
Fiat! By the way, my friends 2016 Wrangler has a 5-speed Mercedes-Benz W5A580 automatic transmission
@@182QKFTW Fiat is a company from the same shared holdings corporation.
FCA was Fiat - Chrysler America.
Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram was never a Fiat company in much the same way Tide is not a Gain company. Both are owned by P&G.
Under Stellantis, it's a merger of The Peugeot group (PSA) with FCA... again... not making any Chrysler-owned company either Peugeot or Fiat.
It's simply not how anything works.
VAG owns VW and Audi. Audi owns Lamborghini. VW owns a smattering of companies.
An Audi is not a VW product. A Lamborghini is not a VW product. All of them are VAG products.
VAG does not have the same leadership as VW. VW and Audi's leadership answers to VAG. Audi's leadership reports to VAG leadership on behalf of Lamborghini leadership... not VW's,
Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram does not answer to Fiat.
They answer to Stellantis.
Let me know if you're still (somehow???????) confused by basic corporate ownership of companies.
@@tim3172 You have way tooo much time on your hands! You missed the point. Timmy. Point is that they are trash, and "Jeep is not even in the same ball field as Mercedes, BMW, Audi"
Their cars were so outdated that they went out of business in the world's largest car market, China. You should see the body on frame stuff China has out today. Crazy stuff.
It is like the auto industry forgot the lesson that Henry Ford taught about economics of scale and selling to the entire middle/working class with an affordable product.
The bean counters don't look at things that way anymore. It's all about profit margin per vehicle, and luxury priced SUVs and trucks are what bring them the most profit per unit sold. They could give two shits what the average middle class American wants and needs.
Those prices NO ! Thanks !
You gotta be kidding me with those prices. Where do they find these idiot buyers?
Someone told me one is born every minute.
Also you have to talk about the cost of maintenance between the brands. I know the jeep is trying to be luxury but the maintenance is not as much as the luxury brands. I’m certainly not making excuses for how jeep is pricing at all nor should a jeep be luxury haha 🤣
prices of autos the last couple years got me thinking everyone’s pay other than mine must have increased substantially cuz how else can ppl afford these prices? I must be financially poor even tho I have zero debt cuz I can’t contemplate paying the the average $45k auto
I really want to meet the person who paid $118K for a Jeep.
I have owned two jeeps. This is why i will never buy another. Bought a Chrysler. It needed a new engine within the main warranty period. They denied it because all of the oil changes were not completed at the dealership. Stay away from this company!
But it has 24 cup holders😂
I don't like those oddly placed screens either. They look like someone glued his/her iPad to to dash temporarily.
I wonder what repair and maintenance costs look like for the ineos
Do car manufacturers expect us to get a 30yr mortgage to buy their vehicles? No thank you!
You should be comparing the Waggoneers with GM and Ford full size SUV's. I used to work at a C, D, J, R dealership and we had Waggoneers and Hornets that we had since there were shipped to our dealership that they were first models. The problem is when someone wants to test drive, you have to jump it. When jumping a Hornet R/T, you have to charge the battery for 2 hours and then program the modules. C, D, J, R vehicles are overpriced because they are putting all the bells and whistles in the vehicles.
Local Jeep dealer has a 2023 Grand Wagoneer advertised at $15K under MSRP. Comically that "discount" is not sufficient to get the thing sold.
118k is absolutely insane for known issues with quality. Regardless of depreciation, family size, income, net worth. I could have 6 kids,wife and a million dollars in bank and still would not buy that. A RV or fixer upper home in the sticks makes more sense. lol. Wtf is the dealer smoking, cr@ck is wack.🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
A 118k vehicle is not marked to people with a million in their bank account, champ. Add a zero to that.
*Poor person bleats out how they would live if they were wealthy. Doctors report a major increase in eyeroll-related injuries.*
Jeep hasn’t been cheap since you could get one in an army surplus crate that you had to assemble yourself. Jeep was never bargain-basement.
Luxury and Jeep should never be in the same sentence 😑 EVER or reliability 🤭
My first house was 90K. A very nice 4 bed ranch all brick with 2 acres of land in 1995. Less than 30 years later a truck that will be in the junkyard in a few years costs about the same.
Parts delays across the board for a ton of models with no ETA. Dealers Can’t sell the vehicles on their lot. Dodge, Jeep and ram are going to the highest bidder. Stellantis has to sell the brands.
The last 2 ram trucks I owned were both garbage. I will never buy a turbo engine. I will only buy naturally aspirated.
Same here. The last Ram truck I had had so many problems that I could write a book on its poor build quality and cheap parts.
Which turbo Ram trucks did you have?
Bought a Jeep a couple years ago. Had no idea insurance classified it as a “luxury car”.
Off road luxury, which most don’t even go off road
It's wild that anyone would pay for that..... 😂😂
Head over to the Acura dealership and show the MDX. SH-AWD, N/A 3.5L engine, great value and tech for money and one-ups Lexus with their fwd and turbo vehicles.
Did I miss Jeep’s SHOCKING announcement ???
I really like when the salesperson says they are losing money.
Right. I know a Dodge Ram jeep GM who was making approximately half a Million a few years ago but I think hes not making close to that today.
FYI a couple of cars you pointed at as having "flat" paint, was incorrect. They were non-metallic, glossy finish colors, not "flat," which refers to the non-reflective, almost industrial/military like finish available as special order on some vehicles.
I will say I've almost owned almost every brand and I love my 4×e Rubicon with a Rubicon x package. Better than any car on the road. I got $13,000 off of it. I do agree with you All of the car prices are way too high!!
I really like the Ineos but I don't have a dealer anywhere even remotely close to me.
I get your point with the Mercedes and agree with you. But with that said, you need to research the power of those hurricane HP. They make crazy power. It might only last 20k miles but they make great power
Thank you for the video.
They can keep them at those prices !!! 🤣
Just checked out a Grand Wagoneer on Jeep Canada to see the insane price. They are offering an $11,000 discount but it only applies if you finance it over 84 or 96 months at 5.49% interest. Doing the math and financing it at 72 months without their discount but a higher price for the jeep, you still save money. What crooks.
That is some deceptive stuff right there.
@@MotorFeed Yeah, offering a product at a disclosed price with a clearly-published interest rate and payment schedule is so shady and deceptive.
What next? Credit cards that cost you money if you don't pay in full every month? The horror.
How much does it cost to service each of the vehicles
On that grand wagoneer that was really expensive you should know that when you looked and it had the V6 hurricane engine you have to look in the options because it could be replaced by the v8 so it might not really have a V6 in it it might have been replaced with a v8 in the opinions list. Just been in the car business my entire life so i know a few things
Um.... I need to know where that chevy square body is at. State, city and dealer please.
I'm a Toyota/Lexus person all the way through myself. Around 20-25 years ago or so I had strong leanings towards BMW and Mercedes when it came to what a luxury vehicle is and should be. They are both nice brands but just not my cup of tea anymore. As I discovered Toyota and Lexus since that time.. and I know those brands are not everyone else's cup of tea either so please spare me.
With that said I look at these Jeeps, the Grand Wagoneer more specifically and its hefty price tag. There is really no way I would ever consider that option up next to a comparable Lexus with a $70-80k pricetag on it. I certainly wouldn't go after a Lexus with $120k price tag like the Jeep option even if I was flush with cash, it just would never happen.
I have had a brand new vehicle before and will never go that route again because of the high prices and the instant depreciation. I am perfectly comfortable and satisfied with a gently used, certified pre owned Toyota/Lexus around $30k or under.
These cars/trucks across the board these days are just not all they are cracked up to be anymore in my opinion as most brands have really gone down the tubes (including some of Toyota/Lexus) these last 3 to 5 years or so. I just want quality, a decent looking and reliable ride, nothing overly glammed up or flashy as I really have nothing to prove to anybody. The car is not an extension of my worthiness as a person on this planet.. if that is you then so be it. I'd go back to a car from the 60's, 70's, 80's if it was in good shape.
The basic Jeep design was created in 1937. I think their development course have long ago been paid for sure. They’ve updated a few things here and there, but the essential design is still the same. They play the same design going on 100 years.
Unreliable vehicle, nothing that represents status, poor quality at ridiculous prices, Stellantis goes bankrupt.
I've owned numerous Wranglers 4 or 5 Cherokees (3 XJs) 3 Grands (ZJ's) 1 Wagoner and a Comanche.I felt a departure starting in 2006 and a general distaste for the name now.Way to turn an actual fan. They have gotten so far away from where they began, I dont see them bouncing back anytime soon
I currently own two XJs and one comanche. Ive owned muktiple wjs zjs and a wagoneer. I would never EVER buy a post 2006 jeep. My wife drives my 2006 4runner and from here on out all im buying for daily drivers are toyotas(not the newest generation). But im gonna continue to hoard xjs and i really want a 5.9 zj.
The Wagoneer was THE picture of American Luxury SUVs in the '80s. They're just trying to return to form.
I'm not sure I've ever ever seen a grand wagoneer on the road. When did jeep start making giant SUVs?
Our local Jeep dealer is getting desperate. Offering $50 Amazon cards if you schedule a test drive. It’s cheaper to buy a Tesla.
So how much for the older Chevy pickup?
The x5 xdrive40i is the recommended one and it's under $68k.
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That’s insane. That vehicle doesn’t command anything more that $75k and I’m being very generous.
My local dealer dropped $25k on the 24 grand wagoneer and it’s sitting.
That square body would look good next to my K5 Blazer. And damn, I remember it wasn't long ago that a car that cost 100K or more would be something really special-not some generic-looking mall crawler mom-mobile.
I wouldn’t consider any of these with the exception of a Lexus over the Jeep,not that I would consider that wagoner either.
I don’t think y’all are understanding. There needs to be a massive over correction because as it stands from my perspective, this has become about principal. It’s not about reasonable prices anymore. It’s about proving a point and making these companies bow down. Only then will they have a chance of getting their customers back. we’ve learned how to fix our cars, we’ve learned how to live without getting another car every two years, we’ve learned how to use a transit center , we’ve learned how to live without them.
The problem is there trying to make it harder for a normal joe or mechanics to work on them also so you have to bring them back to the dealerships to get worked on instead so they can make even more money!! Its all corrupt BS
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THEY WILL RUE THE DAY! THE OUTRAGES WE HAVE SUFFERED TODAY WILL NOT BE SOON FORGOTTEN! WE WILL NOT FORGET THE OUTRAGES! NOT THE OUTR-!
Fact check: the percentage of people in the US who use public transport to get to work has gone down by about 3% since 2018 and about 5% since 2016.
But do, keep bleating out how we've "learned how to use them."
(Also, doesn't GM, Ford, and FCA produce the majority of US public transport? GM makes a ton of rolling stock and locomotives and buses. Ford makes buses. FCA makes the plain chassis which is later outfitted to make buses. Oops.)
Please make a vid about Subaru, Mazda or Mitsubishi. Greeting from Bavaria.
Thanks mate enjoy your channel,being a car nut and an American vehicle lover your prices are still dooo,able compared to here in Australia,and now your new presidents got some interesting ideas on import /export duty,s which will hurt the buying price here ,and yes i agree Lexus is great value and based on Toyota components generally very reliable.
Drive safe bloke
Kym
Adelaide
I'd get the Yukon Denali or even better the AT4. My most luxurious vehicle was an F150 limited and I would never do it again. By the way I bought that truck used with 10,000 miles for $41K but it sticker for $55K so that was 2014 so just look at how much the price has increased in 10 years.
I've been looking at a 22' Audi sq8
Jeep prices are absurd, however you are not comparing same size vehicles. The Grand Wagoneer is a massive 3 row SUV and most of the other vehicles you compared to are just not the same size.
I'm could replace my Grand Cherokee Altitude but not buying at these prices...no way. Might just buy a restomod instead.
you can fix broken but you cant fix stupid 🤗
Bitcoin hit 95,000, which is more crazy? We are not in normal times.
Fair point
We have been tricked into believing we need luxury things, you need things that work, that's it.
I'll just keep maintaining and fixing my '17 Ram, thank you very much. They've tricked people into thinking $50,000-$100,000+ is a good price for a Jeep product. Give me a break. Although I somewhat agree that you'd might as well get a true luxury brand instead of a Grand Wagoneer, just wait until you have to fix that luxury car. You're going to regret it.
Crazy depreciation on those after leaving the dealership
Crazy thing is, I see more and more on the road. If I had a 100k, I’m going to buy a house.
should have had the cadilac escalade and the licolon navigator on here. you can get a 2025 escalade for 81,000.
2024
Hahaha, when he founds a giant Sprinter bigger than the Grand Wagoneer,he says is great for your family adventures and all the stuff you can carry, so it's better. When he founds a Q8, smaller than the Grand Wagoneer, he says you seldomly will fill up that huge Jeep, so the Audi is better.😂
Insanity for a Jeep or RAM! I ordered a new luxurious Lexus LC500 coupe, with a V8. For $104,000.00. Not including the military discount.
Great review ! How about small basic cars ?
There aren't any.
And you can't buy any small trucks but I found out why a lot of times it government regulation and penalties on manufacturers that raise the cost all these vehicles and inflation and supply shortages and scarcity
@@lot2196 Nissan versa and a Mitsubishi have a small car under 20k brand new. Nissan 3 year 36k warranty and 10 year 100k for Mitsubishi.
No car or truck should cost more than 27,000. Price the smaller vehicles accordingly
Jeep SUV more expensive than Mercedes GLS? F. That.
Go ahead and ask a salesmen what the payments will be on one of those "cheap" $75k vehicles with 20% down for 60 months ,,,(with 6-8 % interest,,). Now DIVIDE that payment into your monthly take home income (remembering this is for 5 years although 6 and even 7 year terms may be available). If it exceeds 10% (recommended) you can't afford it.
Rented a Jeep for a weekend trip, and nothing in it said luxury brand.
Great points in this video. I wouldn't have thought the European cars would be an alternative to a jeep.
If these things were half price, they’d be pretty decent
What could go wrong? Jeep is suddenly a luxury brand
if that car can flying i don't mind that price but just like regular car in that price no way i rather buy me a house 😂😂😂