Haha you've got the bug big time! Admire you enthusiasm out every weekend. Never commented on a video before but got say thanks you've got it just right, filming driving etc spot on. I run an almost identical set up as you ashcroft throughout, 37 trepadors etc but on a td5 110 special vehicle edition commercial except mines it bits while I carry out a full rebuild. MOG is on the wish list. Any way keep the videos coming enjoy watching them your set up and driving style is how a landy should be built and driven so many people get it wrong. You're proving your build works and works well. I'll get round to making some vids when I get up and running 👍👍👍
He did get through, and that's how you learn. I think the Unimog deserves major applause. That thing is LONG, and it handled this tight, twisty trail quite impressively. A Unimog with a shorter wheel base would make simple work of that trail. Both vehicles on display are amazing! In time, the Unimog driver/owner will reach that coveted status of an experienced, well seasoned driver. At the 20:18 minute mark where the Defender got hung up and struggled, the Unimog cruised through exhibiting its impressive ground clearance advantage.
@@defender90orkney9 you could be right, guess I'm seeing it from my viewpoint driving lotta rigs of sorts and most no where near as nice as the Mog , have driven my share of land rovers just a few 90's owned by friends. My friend in Germany has an old Mog , a 400 series that was an old surplus vehicle, was crazy it had a winch front and rear and all kinds of hydraulic hook ups on it, my only thought it was a utility vehicle in Germany and it sure did rattle allot, but it sure could go virtually anywhere off road, good thing it had suspension seats in it, otherwise i think i would have been visiting the chiropractor the next day, lol, his was a shorter wheel base than yours, one thing, boy did it go through diesel like crazy, that day he took me out was about 100 litres of fuel and we're only gone for the afternoon, again i guess this just average for some fun off road adventure, he's driven them many years will he was in the German military until he retired, I will watch the rest of the video and not judge the young driver, keep up the good videos
@@99unclebob I suppose one benefit of such a capable but heavy vehicle is you could add plenty of sound deadening and extra rubbers and other things to the interior to make it a bit more comfortable without sacrificing much off-road capability.
and a clueless driver. If he wants to learn how to drive offroad he should go and watch some Russians doing it. Loads of them live in areas where there's no roads and they learn to drive offroad.
@@defender90orkney9 I drove 2 different Unimog types in the German Army for 2 years and I think he did very well when he drove in such a terrain for the first time. No one is born a master. It is of course also a little harder to drive the long Unimog than the shorter and lighter Land Rover, which is why you cannot make a direct comparison between the two vehicles. When comparing Land Rover and Unimog, one would have to take the shorter version of a Unimog. In any case, both are the best vehicles in the world for such companies. Our friends in the USA can learn something from the axles and drives of these vehicles, just having a lot more horsepower is not everything.
@@defender90orkney9 If this was his first time off road and you were their helping why did you not advise to lower tire pressure and stop tearing up track? Part of being their with new people is to advise and teach not just stand back and watch them tear up tracks and possibly damage their ride.
@@johncunningham4820 sure it wouldn't but I guess Dave tried to say that those two are a bit incomparable classes. Offroad car under 3.5 ton vs. goliath as Mog which is not a car but "truck" in 7.5 ton class (empty) + with load capacity of another ~5 tons. So, sure that Defender on kerb, making mog a bit top heavy, would not be ideal, but doable. It seems to me as one of th e1700 L series, probably U435.111 or U435.113.
During my army time in Germany I saw what Unimogs can do and where they can go: Places where you never thought you could go with wheels. The driver of the UNIversalen MOtorGerät makes the vehicle very bad looking while it is not bad! There are farmers who use them as tractor and plough fields with them. And they can even pull some train coaches. Also - it helps a lot if the driver leaves the vehicle from time to time to take a look first how to take a challenging section of the off-road parth...
Have you seen or tried out the BV-206 "Kawaii as fuck little belt-wagon"? The driver will give up way before the wagon does, it will literally climb just about anywere no matter how bad an idea it is.
In line with other comments: Unimog driver is totally inexperienced cf the LR one. Also the LR is HEAVILY modified. The Unimog should come out tops on any terrain.
How long has each driver been driving their respective vehicles? I can flat out guarantee that the UNI MOG is far more capable than what it is made to look in this video.
Defender: Lighter weight and smaller turning radius, thus doesn't get stuck so fast and better crawling ability Unimog: Much more ground clearance and huge tyres I have both a Defender TD5 and a Unimog 1300 and in most situations the mog is way superior, it feels unstoppable. With the mog you don't need a lane.
@@defender90orkney9 Definitely! I drive them mainly in the woods. Steep hills. In between trees. Wet ground, rarely pure mud. It's just a general observation. With the mog the terrain isn't as important. I can go over a lot of stuff. The portal axles are its main advantage.
Yes I hate these remarks, the driver of the vehicle is the person that owns it, or whomever they chose to drive it for them. People learn by doing things, it’s a process, if you don’t get that you’re signalling you probably don’t have any experience either.
I loved my MOG "Zweitonner" when I was at the Bundeswehr! But in this case: Wrong Tires, too mutch tire pressure and the driver needs obviously more practice. But ... a cool Video, thank you very much!
This Unimog driver has got to be new to this kind of technical driving. He’s got the equipment, now all he needs are hours of experience. As well as some friends who are into the 4x scene. Thanks for the upload.
Pretty much a tie. The heavy modded Landy almost looks lost in the big rocks, Unimog clearly needs that automatic tire pressure system (tire pressure to high), like Hellgeth engeniering is offering, then the Unimog driver would be in a no worry situation. Good video.
Incredible, how well the Unimog does, considering the super long wheelbase... It's essentially a lorrie that keeps up with a heavily modified Defender 90.
It looks like 1700 L model, so something like U435.111 or U435.113 .. Technically it's a hybrid between heavy duty truck in 7.5 ton class mixed with tractor on equal sized tires. Check wiki for those mogs or MB Track tracktors. It's not a powerhouse, but with portal axels, heavy duty chassis, low gearing (and when he climbed that clay wall at the beginning it almost seemed it has crawl box, or "working group" gearbox) .. it has pretty modular powertrain, so it could be geared down to some 1200:1 and with hand operateable "gas" you can walk slowly alongside the track while it will humm at some 800 revs. It can handle a lot harder terrain.
Muy buen video y muy bien grabado. Es un placer ver cómo se mueven estos vehículos por el campo. Me encanta el Mog. Enhorabuena y gracias por hacerme disfrutar tanto. Un saludo desde España.
Ive got a mate of mine from 5Trucks sitting next to me attempting to reach into the monitor and throttle the breathe outta that fella in the Mog. Love both vehicles. Cheers for sharing.
Just a tip....I,ve had a U1300L for about 12 years now.....It had those same tyres on when I got it, they were new, with plenty of tread.....In the white chalky soil of Salisbury Plain they were superb, followed all the tank tracks and not once got stuck. Then I bought a farm in Eastern Poland, to which I moved taking the Unimog (yes I drove it) and the soil is Shiiite (excuse my French) it is a mix of sand and yellow clay that dries blue on the sidewalls of tyres...on that stuff those original Michelin militaries just sat with diff locks on and all four wheels spinning slowly and looking a right tit. I chose some non speed rated Site Loader Chevrons by Michelin..'Power CL' and the difference is amazing.....yes I do stuff like in the opening clips of the vid steep stacks in valleys and those Power CLs just keep on pulling...now remember they and non speed rated, (but I have driven at 60-80 kph for longish periods on them and no damage or even excessive heat build up).... but when I replace them I shall replace with Michelin speed rated Chevrons. maybe 12.00R 20 or equiv.
Put The 90 Driver in The MOG and it will Go. Anyway The MOG is too Long. Take a 1300L. And both of them Will Go their Way. Greetings from The one who Drive both of them. I Love both of them. Greets to All Green Laners SlainteMhath🏴✌️
Well done to both that is great challenge looks like this could be a great place for the Australian Army to test their cross-country driving skills. I couldn't believe there were more cars further behind and saloons at that too! I loved the comment I could get 'my Ford Fiesta up there' classic. I trust they had a few beers when they got home.
Could you explain what a standard UniMog is please? The options list seems extensive, including, but not limited to, railway conversion. Vs an old, underdeveloped classic ruined by British management greed and incompetence that needs improvement by enthusiasts.
Could you explain what a standard UniMog is please? The options list seems extensive, including, but not limited to, railway conversion. Vs an old, underdeveloped classic ruined by British management greed and incompetence that needs improvement by enthusiasts.
Please watch some trails bikes and adjust your tyre pressures accordingly. Both vehicles were over pressured and they need to be bead locked to allow them to get the pressures right down without pulling off the rims. Other than that this was a great video of two of my all time favourite off road vehicles.
Great video. Interesting to see on the Defender 90 there is a rear skid plate fitted, but not much sign of front or differential guards. Maybe just not obvious from the camera footage, or maybe that suspension set up makes underfloor protection difficult to fit. Around 16:00 the underside takes a bit of a pounding from those rocks. Great driving!
your man in the mog will be okay once he gains some experience under his belt and the tyres needed another 20 psi out of them but good effort for a beginner
@@defender90orkney9 ah ok fair enough. We all start somewhere, and I suppose youd be scared of damaging your new truck. Definitely needs more guts and less air in future I think. Beautiful 90 btw
Great footage with the phone, filmic pro will let you lock iso etc and an ND will let you get decent motion blur without overexposing at a low iso/180 shutter with a fixed aperture. But there's no getting away from the "everything's in focus" look. Mog driver did a stellar job considering the size of the thing in that terrain. I look forward to future vids, great job.
maybe his first time out in the mog. but his steering is all over, the tyres have way too much air in and the trail suits the shorter lighter defender. im a defender fan too. but this isnt really a fair comaprison haha
Okay, yes, sure...... Maybe the tyres on the Unimog needed air let out. But what I have always said is : A go anywhere, DO-ANYTHING-EVERY-TIME vehicle, doesn't exist!! Sometimes the short wheel based vehicle will clear an obstacle better than a long wheel base, and at times it will be vice-versa.
Well with some background in both camps, I've had my Unimog suddenly sink in apparent blamanche, but still self-extract itself and in standard form it has huge ground clearance and full diff locks and a basic wading depth of I think 1.2m, which I've never much more than half exploited in some serious river crossings that I wouldn't have tried in a Defender. However, the pedestrian speed Unimog here needed to drive a bit more aggressively and yes it has Hutchinson bead lock rims to allow some tyre deflation with no risk of debeading. The tricked Defender meanwhile had a more experienced and bolder driver with lowered tyre pressure and he was looking carefully at his line and he applied some more momentum, but did get hung up on rocks a bit. Land Rovers are great and clearly better on narrow tracks and less prone to capsize than say Pinzgauers. OEM proper difflocks is a major omission in Land Rovers however, seemingly rectified on this one. I have also done some severe and steep tracks in Thailand in rented Suzuki jeeps that are extremely nimble and much easier to manhandle out of holes than Land Rovers or Unimogs! Mog has also made my G Wagen irrelevant despite huge G capability and another Defender (300 TDI) is on my wish list, after having had an early 200 TDI in the 1990's and wanting to add to my presently 'resting' Series One owned for 34 years. So, no right answers but good fun had by all !
You certainly know your stuff sir, and I second pretty much all your comments here. I have limited experience with either type (and the Mog I drove a few times was a 404), but with the exception of sand dunes/high speed stuff, the Mog is a superior offroad machine. It will go anywhere it can fit.
@@gustavovasconcelos4372 Unimog totally rocks, my first U1250 ( Hotted up to approx 200 bhp with an intercooler etc) achieved the biggest grins possible during 5 years campaigning it in Iceland with effortless superiority over anything else. A second U2150 project with factory CTIS is now in progress. Huge satisfaction confidently crossing raging rivers and emerging over mountain passes in blizzards, just me and the snow plough moving.....Roll on the next chapter. Let's be generous to the guy in the Mog in this video, ge will practice and get better !
I like mogs but the shorter wheelbase on the land rover makes them more nimble. I bet the mog would handle deep mud and snow better than the Land rover because it has higher ground clearance.
Une vidéo 📹 de 45 minutes qui se mange sans faim , tellement il y a une bonne qualité d'image avec un véhicule complètement atypique L'UNIMOG pour le franchissement, sympa👍👍👍
Driver of a '67 Unimog 404. This things are made for that stuff. But, I agree, the lad driving that Mog was kinda amateur. The Defender wasn't so much stock too. Great video man🔥🔥😎
Do you own one? Drive one off-road on a regular basis? Consider yourself an expert Unimogger? Good. Perhaps you could give the driver some helpful tips on how to improve his skills then. If not, the I suggest you keep just that little bit quieter.
Do you own one? Drive one off-road on a regular basis? Consider yourself an expert Unimogger? Good. Perhaps you could give the driver some helpful tips on how to improve his skills then. If not, the I suggest you keep just that little bit quieter.
@@RandallSlick Are people not allowed opinions anymore. Who made you the UA-cam police. 1. Not many people own these as personal vehicles - including me. 2. I have drove several. In the military and after leaving the military.
Drove both 110's and Mogs in the Army (They were new back then!) Unimog for me anyday! The LandRovers had pissweak wheel bearings that they would throw at an alarming rate...If you know how to drive the Unimog is unbeatable
taken my defender all over europe and parts of africa and its never let me down. i never heard of throwing a bearing before. if the seals go in the axles you end up with ep90 mixed in with the wheel bearing grease, but you would have to be blind not to know when youve got diff fluid being thrown up the sides of your wheel
I know it's 3 years since you posted this video - great footage BTW - the decent at about the 23min mark, was the Mog in 1st gear low range? Also, old mate in the shorty definitely knows how to wheel.
Maybe if it were a u1500 it would be a fair battle with the 90 :P Otherwise the u1700 is my favourite mog, beautiful truck, perfect camper overlander platform too!! Love the 90 too, just looks really aesthetic the way you've it modified, isn't ott even with the fisheye front (something I usually don't like) but it's pulled off well
My grandfather imported a Jeep Land Rover in 1950 to go to his farm on weekends here in Brazil. It was an excellent vehicle, but this dispute that I consider unfair between a Land Rover with less than 2 tons against a Unimok truck with more than 4 tons and too wide for this walk, leaving little option to avoid obstacles, and over one lousy trail driver.
It's not a problem for a stock Unimog to beat a even modified defender. The MOG has everything you need from factory. Lockers all around, reduction portal axles, capable of high flexing. It has bigger tires, more ground clearance and can drive above obstacles which are not overdrivable for the defender. The only thing to modify you need are the tires. Wider low pressure tractor style tires fit very well on the Unimog. Then, there is nearly nothing, you need to improve.
@@the_retag Ohoh, ok it has the possibility to plow, but for heavy duty plowing, it's the wrong choice. There have been people, who did it, but the wear is too great. Mercedes herself says, it's not designed for heavy plowing. It's not comparable to a farm tractor in structural strength. Mercedes says, yes, plowing is possible, but in heavy duty, it's not recommended.
Well I was surprised to see the Unimog struggle a few times. I was sure it would make easy work of that. Video quality was great from your phone, what phone do you use? As always great video and I look forward to the next one.
The Mog driver was trying to drive it like a 4WD. Its not a 4WD, its a truck. I used to drive them in the Army, they’ll climb anything but you have to give it some stick. The wheels like to slip without better tyres & deflation but you can defeat that with momentum. You’d be surprised at what the Mog can actually do. Its still my favourite vehicle of everything I’ve ever driven. Treat it like a truck, you get to some amazing places
Great video, especially if you really did use a phone(s). I really fancy a Unimog but this is a brilliant demonstration of how capable a fully locker'ed and big wheel'ed Landrover can be. My stock Landrover would NOT have made most of those obstacles. As others have said - shame about too much air in the Unimog tyres. Were those Landcruisers in the background really following you????
This a tight technical trail traversed by the Unimog with high tire pressure. Very impressed by both vehicles but especially but especially the Unimog given its size and traction handicap.
Can you tell us about the suspension set up in the Unimog? It has heaps of travel but can it handle a 4 tom load on the back? Great video thanks for sharing.
Can certainly handle 4 ton loads. Mogs have a single coil spring for each of the front corners and a double coil spring on the rear. They have torque tubes to hold the diffs in position which are pressurised too.
@@philbox4566 The chassis is also specially designed to twist to add more to the articulation. On the 404 I had it could easily add an extra 20 degrees of articulation between the front and rear axle. The bed and cab are mounted on pivots so they are not twisted when the chassis twists. Even the engine mountings are designed to take that twist into account. That was on the 404, I don't know if the newer ones also do that . The dual coils at the back are such that only the outer one is fixed at both ends. The inner one is fixed only at the top and helps the outer one with heavy loads but at the same time does not restrict articulation and will let the wheel drop as low as it wants because, being connected only at one end it can only push on the axle but not pull.
Great video showing best off roaders in their respective categories, we envy the drivers. The Unimog driver chose well, a very capable machine for earning one's stripes in. That Landy wouldn't have been as forgiving, which made the Mog clips even more interesting. Take some of the constructive criticism, and ignore the trolls. Excellent footage too, especially in those tricky maneuvers, if you can do any better, clearly you'd be in the wrong profession/hobby.
Haha you've got the bug big time! Admire you enthusiasm out every weekend. Never commented on a video before but got say thanks you've got it just right, filming driving etc spot on. I run an almost identical set up as you ashcroft throughout, 37 trepadors etc but on a td5 110 special vehicle edition commercial except mines it bits while I carry out a full rebuild. MOG is on the wish list. Any way keep the videos coming enjoy watching them your set up and driving style is how a landy should be built and driven so many people get it wrong. You're proving your build works and works well. I'll get round to making some vids when I get up and running 👍👍👍
never commented on a video before ? WOW FASCINATING
Where is this = in a forest of almost all dead trees....
Must be Australia....!
He did get through, and that's how you learn. I think the Unimog deserves major applause. That thing is LONG, and it handled this tight, twisty trail quite impressively. A Unimog with a shorter wheel base would make simple work of that trail. Both vehicles on display are amazing! In time, the Unimog driver/owner will reach that coveted status of an experienced, well seasoned driver. At the 20:18 minute mark where the Defender got hung up and struggled, the Unimog cruised through exhibiting its impressive ground clearance advantage.
2 great trucks, but watching this guy drive the Mog is too painful, great video
@@defender90orkney9 you could be right, guess I'm seeing it from my viewpoint driving lotta rigs of sorts and most no where near as nice as the Mog , have driven my share of land rovers just a few 90's owned by friends. My friend in Germany has an old Mog , a 400 series that was an old surplus vehicle, was crazy it had a winch front and rear and all kinds of hydraulic hook ups on it, my only thought it was a utility vehicle in Germany and it sure did rattle allot, but it sure could go virtually anywhere off road, good thing it had suspension seats in it, otherwise i think i would have been visiting the chiropractor the next day, lol, his was a shorter wheel base than yours, one thing, boy did it go through diesel like crazy, that day he took me out was about 100 litres of fuel and we're only gone for the afternoon, again i guess this just average for some fun off road adventure, he's driven them many years will he was in the German military until he retired, I will watch the rest of the video and not judge the young driver, keep up the good videos
@@99unclebob I suppose one benefit of such a capable but heavy vehicle is you could add plenty of sound deadening and extra rubbers and other things to the interior to make it a bit more comfortable without sacrificing much off-road capability.
Totally agree with you !
Top much Air in the tires of Unimog 😠
Thomas Klein and the wrong tires as well.. also the driver doesn’t seem to know how to drive in the unimog‘s favour.
and a clueless driver. If he wants to learn how to drive offroad he should go and watch some Russians doing it. Loads of them live in areas where there's no roads and they learn to drive offroad.
@@defender90orkney9 I drove 2 different Unimog types in the German Army for 2 years and I think he did very well when he drove in such a terrain for the first time. No one is born a master. It is of course also a little harder to drive the long Unimog than the shorter and lighter Land Rover, which is why you cannot make a direct comparison between the two vehicles. When comparing Land Rover and Unimog, one would have to take the shorter version of a Unimog. In any case, both are the best vehicles in the world for such companies. Our friends in the USA can learn something from the axles and drives of these vehicles, just having a lot more horsepower is not everything.
Yes, drop those bad boys to single digit psi. A little less steering angle too.
@@defender90orkney9 If this was his first time off road and you were their helping why did you not advise to lower tire pressure and stop tearing up track? Part of being their with new people is to advise and teach not just stand back and watch them tear up tracks and possibly damage their ride.
You could load the Defender onto the Uni Mog and the Uni Mog could still do that track.
The extra weight over the Back Axle would Help a lot .
@@johncunningham4820 sure it wouldn't but I guess Dave tried to say that those two are a bit incomparable classes. Offroad car under 3.5 ton vs. goliath as Mog which is not a car but "truck" in 7.5 ton class (empty) + with load capacity of another ~5 tons. So, sure that Defender on kerb, making mog a bit top heavy, would not be ideal, but doable.
It seems to me as one of th e1700 L series, probably U435.111 or U435.113.
During my army time in Germany I saw what Unimogs can do and where they can go: Places where you never thought you could go with wheels.
The driver of the UNIversalen MOtorGerät makes the vehicle very bad looking while it is not bad!
There are farmers who use them as tractor and plough fields with them. And they can even pull some train coaches.
Also - it helps a lot if the driver leaves the vehicle from time to time to take a look first how to take a challenging section of the off-road parth...
Have you seen or tried out the BV-206 "Kawaii as fuck little belt-wagon"? The driver will give up way before the wagon does, it will literally climb just about anywere no matter how bad an idea it is.
In line with other comments: Unimog driver is totally inexperienced cf the LR one. Also the LR is HEAVILY modified. The Unimog should come out tops on any terrain.
How long has each driver been driving their respective vehicles? I can flat out guarantee that the UNI MOG is far more capable than what it is made to look in this video.
Makes a lot of sense
Defender: Lighter weight and smaller turning radius, thus doesn't get stuck so fast and better crawling ability
Unimog: Much more ground clearance and huge tyres
I have both a Defender TD5 and a Unimog 1300 and in most situations the mog is way superior, it feels unstoppable. With the mog you don't need a lane.
@@defender90orkney9 Definitely! I drive them mainly in the woods. Steep hills. In between trees. Wet ground, rarely pure mud. It's just a general observation. With the mog the terrain isn't as important. I can go over a lot of stuff. The portal axles are its main advantage.
I don't think the defender has better crawl ratios.... the mogs have ridiculously low ratios....
The Mog-driver is uncapable. He can't handle this vehicle. Period.
Whenever someone ends a statement with 'period', 'full stop', 'simples' etc. most decent people think that person is an imbecile. End of.
Swap the drivers and do the test again. Unimog will come out tops.
the unimog wheel base is to long
dout it
Exactly! It is not just about the cars, but the drivers are just as important!
I was thinking the same thing right from the start...
The Unimog needs lower Tire-Pressure and another Driver, Defender is a Beast
Correct. With a lower tire-pressure, the unimog would behave much better. The driver seems not enough experimented
Another driver ?
In your opinion, should every taxi driver be a Walter Röhrl?
Yes I hate these remarks, the driver of the vehicle is the person that owns it, or whomever they chose to drive it for them. People learn by doing things, it’s a process, if you don’t get that you’re signalling you probably don’t have any experience either.
I loved my MOG "Zweitonner" when I was at the Bundeswehr! But in this case: Wrong Tires, too mutch tire pressure and the driver needs obviously more practice. But ... a cool Video, thank you very much!
This Unimog driver has got to be new to this kind of technical driving. He’s got the equipment, now all he needs are hours of experience. As well as some friends who are into the 4x scene. Thanks for the upload.
That Unimog is something else, what an incredible machine! Love your land rover too the capability it has is very impressive 👍
That is one well-sorted Landie!
Never in the field of human 4x4ing has so much fun been had by so many watching such little progress made by so few ;)
I spent time watching it with so much fun. Thank you for taking such a good video.
Unimog, lower the tire pressure, set Hand Throttle at 1000 rpm, 2nd gear, 4wd low and it'll just grunt it's way through just about anything
Pretty much a tie. The heavy modded Landy almost looks lost in the big rocks, Unimog clearly needs that automatic tire pressure system (tire pressure to high), like Hellgeth engeniering is offering, then the Unimog driver would be in a no worry situation. Good video.
What a excellent video. Thanks for putting it up.
Incredible, how well the Unimog does, considering the super long wheelbase... It's essentially a lorrie that keeps up with a heavily modified Defender 90.
Half lorry half tractor
It looks like 1700 L model, so something like U435.111 or U435.113 .. Technically it's a hybrid between heavy duty truck in 7.5 ton class mixed with tractor on equal sized tires. Check wiki for those mogs or MB Track tracktors. It's not a powerhouse, but with portal axels, heavy duty chassis, low gearing (and when he climbed that clay wall at the beginning it almost seemed it has crawl box, or "working group" gearbox) .. it has pretty modular powertrain, so it could be geared down to some 1200:1 and with hand operateable "gas" you can walk slowly alongside the track while it will humm at some 800 revs.
It can handle a lot harder terrain.
For a phone you did bloody well!
Yeah awesome job
The guy in the unimog needs a good spotter
Muy buen video y muy bien grabado. Es un placer ver cómo se mueven estos vehículos por el campo. Me encanta el Mog. Enhorabuena y gracias por hacerme disfrutar tanto.
Un saludo desde España.
I love both vehicles, it’s a beautiful video and a good 4x4 drivers cheers 🥂 to you, keep it up.
Thanks for the video! Do you think a discovery 3/4 could've completed the trail? Would need interesting to see that!
Thanks again, awesome!
Ive got a mate of mine from 5Trucks sitting next to me attempting to reach into the monitor and throttle the breathe outta that fella in the Mog. Love both vehicles. Cheers for sharing.
Cracking video guys! Would love to have a go with that unimog!
Just a tip....I,ve had a U1300L for about 12 years now.....It had those same tyres on when I got it, they were new, with plenty of tread.....In the white chalky soil of Salisbury Plain they were superb, followed all the tank tracks and not once got stuck. Then I bought a farm in Eastern Poland, to which I moved taking the Unimog (yes I drove it) and the soil is Shiiite (excuse my French) it is a mix of sand and yellow clay that dries blue on the sidewalls of tyres...on that stuff those original Michelin militaries just sat with diff locks on and all four wheels spinning slowly and looking a right tit. I chose some non speed rated Site Loader Chevrons by Michelin..'Power CL' and the difference is amazing.....yes I do stuff like in the opening clips of the vid steep stacks in valleys and those Power CLs just keep on pulling...now remember they and non speed rated, (but I have driven at 60-80 kph for longish periods on them and no damage or even excessive heat build up).... but when I replace them I shall replace with Michelin speed rated Chevrons. maybe 12.00R 20 or equiv.
Best off- road course I've seen !
Put The 90 Driver in The MOG and it will Go.
Anyway The MOG is too Long.
Take a 1300L.
And both of them Will Go their Way.
Greetings from The one who Drive both of them.
I Love both of them.
Greets to All Green Laners
SlainteMhath🏴✌️
For The First Time 👍.
He made a Great Job.
Enjoy Riding Mates.
CHEEEERS
Xactly, mate nobody else realized the long wheelbase of the Mog being a major disadvantage in that kind of terrain.
Well done to both that is great challenge looks like this could be a great place for the Australian Army to test their cross-country driving skills. I couldn't believe there were more cars further behind and saloons at that too! I loved the comment I could get 'my Ford Fiesta up there' classic. I trust they had a few beers when they got home.
I'm struggling to watch this Unimog noob here. He's getting it all wrong. Land Rover guy knows what he's doing.
You have to start from somewhere give the guy a break, for his first time he done.
Standard Unimog. Very modified Defender.
Could you explain what a standard UniMog is please? The options list seems extensive, including, but not limited to, railway conversion. Vs an old, underdeveloped classic ruined by British management greed and incompetence that needs improvement by enthusiasts.
Could you explain what a standard UniMog is please? The options list seems extensive, including, but not limited to, railway conversion. Vs an old, underdeveloped classic ruined by British management greed and incompetence that needs improvement by enthusiasts.
Please watch some trails bikes and adjust your tyre pressures accordingly.
Both vehicles were over pressured and they need to be bead locked to allow them to get the pressures right down without pulling off the rims.
Other than that this was a great video of two of my all time favourite off road vehicles.
This video isn’t comparing two vehicles. This video is comparing two drivers.
Great video. Interesting to see on the Defender 90 there is a rear skid plate fitted, but not much sign of front or differential guards. Maybe just not obvious from the camera footage, or maybe that suspension set up makes underfloor protection difficult to fit. Around 16:00 the underside takes a bit of a pounding from those rocks.
Great driving!
First driver obviously more skilled or perhaps knows best his vehicle. Also Mog needs to air
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Great video...I`m loving it!!! :)
Best mog footage on the net. Better than those mad eastern European comps. If you had a leopard tank it would have been the holy trinity
@@defender90orkney9 tanks the easy part.... the "float" to get it to the mountains thats the tricky bit
your man in the mog will be okay once he gains some experience under his belt and the tyres needed another 20 psi out of them but good effort for a beginner
Really enjoyed that:D
Where did you get the aftermarket springs for the Unimog?
Deadly Trail, Sick rigs, great video!
I'm sorry but the mog driver needs a lot more practice/balls, he's just destroying the tracks.
@@defender90orkney9 ah ok fair enough. We all start somewhere, and I suppose youd be scared of damaging your new truck.
Definitely needs more guts and less air in future I think. Beautiful 90 btw
@@defender90orkney9 I did wonder how long he owned it, his trepidation really stood out.
@@defender90orkney9 Aye, certainly will with more behind the wheel time.
Great footage with the phone, filmic pro will let you lock iso etc and an ND will let you get decent motion blur without overexposing at a low iso/180 shutter with a fixed aperture. But there's no getting away from the "everything's in focus" look.
Mog driver did a stellar job considering the size of the thing in that terrain. I look forward to future vids, great job.
@@defender90orkney9 I did, great vid, I must head up there of the next month or so.
Thanks for the video mate. Where is this?
maybe his first time out in the mog. but his steering is all over, the tyres have way too much air in and the trail suits the shorter lighter defender.
im a defender fan too. but this isnt really a fair comaprison haha
Excellent as always. Now to pick some narrower tracks to see if the Unimog can push through....
Now put some 3 or 4 tons on each and lets see....
@@migpereira6285 So putting 3-4 tons in the back of the Unimog makes it narrower to traverse narrower tracks does it? Gee, they are clever....
Great vid, keen to go wheel cobaw again soon, magic place, see if I can convince my bro with his mog
guy in the mog is doing just fine n dandy for his first time out driving it.. your landy is mint
Will the Unimog ever make it up the hill? Stay tuned to find out!
Okay, yes, sure...... Maybe the tyres on the Unimog needed air let out. But what I have always said is : A go anywhere, DO-ANYTHING-EVERY-TIME vehicle, doesn't exist!! Sometimes the short wheel based vehicle will clear an obstacle better than a long wheel base, and at times it will be vice-versa.
great video. be nice to see it with on of those tatra beasts
Well with some background in both camps, I've had my Unimog suddenly sink in apparent blamanche, but still self-extract itself and in standard form it has huge ground clearance and full diff locks and a basic wading depth of I think 1.2m, which I've never much more than half exploited in some serious river crossings that I wouldn't have tried in a Defender. However, the pedestrian speed Unimog here needed to drive a bit more aggressively and yes it has Hutchinson bead lock rims to allow some tyre deflation with no risk of debeading. The tricked Defender meanwhile had a more experienced and bolder driver with lowered tyre pressure and he was looking carefully at his line and he applied some more momentum, but did get hung up on rocks a bit. Land Rovers are great and clearly better on narrow tracks and less prone to capsize than say Pinzgauers. OEM proper difflocks is a major omission in Land Rovers however, seemingly rectified on this one. I have also done some severe and steep tracks in Thailand in rented Suzuki jeeps that are extremely nimble and much easier to manhandle out of holes than Land Rovers or Unimogs! Mog has also made my G Wagen irrelevant despite huge G capability and another Defender (300 TDI) is on my wish list, after having had an early 200 TDI in the 1990's and wanting to add to my presently 'resting' Series One owned for 34 years. So, no right answers but good fun had by all !
You certainly know your stuff sir, and I second pretty much all your comments here. I have limited experience with either type (and the Mog I drove a few times was a 404), but with the exception of sand dunes/high speed stuff, the Mog is a superior offroad machine. It will go anywhere it can fit.
@@gustavovasconcelos4372 Unimog totally rocks, my first U1250 ( Hotted up to approx 200 bhp with an intercooler etc) achieved the biggest grins possible during 5 years campaigning it in Iceland with effortless superiority over anything else. A second U2150 project with factory CTIS is now in progress. Huge satisfaction confidently crossing raging rivers and emerging over mountain passes in blizzards, just me and the snow plough moving.....Roll on the next chapter. Let's be generous to the guy in the Mog in this video, ge will practice and get better !
Came to see how well the mighty Unimog performed, but was just reminded how much I love my Defender 😏
I like mogs but the shorter wheelbase on the land rover makes them more nimble. I bet the mog would handle deep mud and snow better than the Land rover because it has higher ground clearance.
Une vidéo 📹 de 45 minutes qui se mange sans faim , tellement il y a une bonne qualité d'image avec un véhicule complètement atypique L'UNIMOG pour le franchissement, sympa👍👍👍
Nice Video - Thank You for sharing. Where is this trail located? GPS coordinates? The UniMog diver was very respectful of the trail he was navigating.
Ha guy's that wasn't a fair comparison..... that uni-mog didn't stand a chance.....😉lol. Great video guy's keep them coming...👍
Driver of a '67 Unimog 404. This things are made for that stuff. But, I agree, the lad driving that Mog was kinda amateur. The Defender wasn't so much stock too. Great video man🔥🔥😎
The guy in the Unimog has not got a clue. It’s not like he has to get out to lower his tyre/tire pressures.
Do you own one? Drive one off-road on a regular basis? Consider yourself an expert Unimogger? Good. Perhaps you could give the driver some helpful tips on how to improve his skills then. If not, the I suggest you keep just that little bit quieter.
Do you own one? Drive one off-road on a regular basis? Consider yourself an expert Unimogger? Good. Perhaps you could give the driver some helpful tips on how to improve his skills then. If not, the I suggest you keep just that little bit quieter.
@@RandallSlick Are people not allowed opinions anymore. Who made you the UA-cam police. 1. Not many people own these as personal vehicles - including me. 2. I have drove several. In the military and after leaving the military.
Have u seen any g wages professionals on the tracks. Would love to see some footage
Both great vehicles. My self I turn the Mog into an RV : ) and tow the the defender behind it.
Excellent, but the Mog would have gone better with the Landy sitting in the tray.
Drove both 110's and Mogs in the Army (They were new back then!) Unimog for me anyday! The LandRovers had pissweak wheel bearings that they would throw at an alarming rate...If you know how to drive the Unimog is unbeatable
taken my defender all over europe and parts of africa and its never let me down. i never heard of throwing a bearing before. if the seals go in the axles you end up with ep90 mixed in with the wheel bearing grease, but you would have to be blind not to know when youve got diff fluid being thrown up the sides of your wheel
I know it's 3 years since you posted this video - great footage BTW - the decent at about the 23min mark, was the Mog in 1st gear low range?
Also, old mate in the shorty definitely knows how to wheel.
A long wheelsbase Mog vs. a short wheelbase Landy with a lot of enhancements ... what did you try to prove?
Maybe if it were a u1500 it would be a fair battle with the 90 :P
Otherwise the u1700 is my favourite mog, beautiful truck, perfect camper overlander platform too!! Love the 90 too, just looks really aesthetic the way you've it modified, isn't ott even with the fisheye front (something I usually don't like) but it's pulled off well
My grandfather imported a Jeep Land Rover in 1950 to go to his farm on weekends here in Brazil. It was an excellent vehicle, but this dispute that I consider unfair between a Land Rover with less than 2 tons against a Unimok truck with more than 4 tons and too wide for this walk, leaving little option to avoid obstacles, and over one lousy trail driver.
What is the gearing on that mog? That "idle in 1st crawl over basically anything" is enviable
Hey bud which track is this looks fun
Love seeing Old unimogs out and about off road
Watching this more fully, it looks like a very well/extensively/expensively prepared/modified 90, versus a Unimog painted in camo colours....
It's not a problem for a stock Unimog to beat a even modified defender. The MOG has everything you need from factory. Lockers all around, reduction portal axles, capable of high flexing. It has bigger tires, more ground clearance and can drive above obstacles which are not overdrivable for the defender. The only thing to modify you need are the tires. Wider low pressure tractor style tires fit very well on the Unimog. Then, there is nearly nothing, you need to improve.
@@juergen07091973 a mog is able to plow, it needs to be able to run tractor tires
@@the_retag Ohoh, ok it has the possibility to plow, but for heavy duty plowing, it's the wrong choice. There have been people, who did it, but the wear is too great. Mercedes herself says, it's not designed for heavy plowing. It's not comparable to a farm tractor in structural strength. Mercedes says, yes, plowing is possible, but in heavy duty, it's not recommended.
What size wheels are those on the Defender 90 Puma? 285/75/16?
Well I was surprised to see the Unimog struggle a few times. I was sure it would make easy work of that. Video quality was great from your phone, what phone do you use? As always great video and I look forward to the next one.
@@defender90orkney9 I did wonder if it may have been his first time. Will you be doing any more videos with the Unimog?
The Mog driver was trying to drive it like a 4WD. Its not a 4WD, its a truck. I used to drive them in the Army, they’ll climb anything but you have to give it some stick. The wheels like to slip without better tyres & deflation but you can defeat that with momentum. You’d be surprised at what the Mog can actually do.
Its still my favourite vehicle of everything I’ve ever driven. Treat it like a truck, you get to some amazing places
A more fair comparison would be Unimog and JCB Fastrac. Both high speed tractors.
Great video, especially if you really did use a phone(s). I really fancy a Unimog but this is a brilliant demonstration of how capable a fully locker'ed and big wheel'ed Landrover can be. My stock Landrover would NOT have made most of those obstacles. As others have said - shame about too much air in the Unimog tyres. Were those Landcruisers in the background really following you????
This a tight technical trail traversed by the Unimog with high tire pressure. Very impressed by both vehicles but especially but especially the Unimog given its size and traction handicap.
I haven’t read all the comments but did see a bunch regarding tire pressure for the mog. Ironically he has about $5000 worth of beadlocks......
Me gustan los dos, aunque sean diferentes y para diferentes "usos" 👍.
That mog sounds awesome what’s the exhaust on it?
An awesome offroad test!
Love my landy but need a moggy as well !!! 👍🏻
Very nice.
A simply amazing video!!
Awesome trial reminds me of some of the cool trails we have over here in New Zealand. What part of Australia is this?
Mark Ogilvy All 3 of them??? As I remember NZ from 20 years ago EVERYTHING was fenced, gated and locked up.
He would have blasted through the track with the unimog if he had the right tire pressure and overall more experience with the mog.
what king tires are defender using friend?
That Unimog needs a driver...
How does the mog go on the freeway? Can it comfortably sit on 100 kph up hills?
The worse the terrain the better the defender performed. I worked at GKN welding the right hand number one outriggers for the 90, 110 and 130.
Good to see my old Mog out doing what it does best. Hope you're enjoying it as much as I did.
Op what tires are on that defender? They are so incredible.
Hi there. Could you tell me what location this was? Looks familiar.
Is that a radio aerial on the front of the Defender?
Can you tell us about the suspension set up in the Unimog? It has heaps of travel but can it handle a 4 tom load on the back? Great video thanks for sharing.
Can certainly handle 4 ton loads. Mogs have a single coil spring for each of the front corners and a double coil spring on the rear. They have torque tubes to hold the diffs in position which are pressurised too.
@@philbox4566 The chassis is also specially designed to twist to add more to the articulation. On the 404 I had it could easily add an extra 20 degrees of articulation between the front and rear axle. The bed and cab are mounted on pivots so they are not twisted when the chassis twists. Even the engine mountings are designed to take that twist into account. That was on the 404, I don't know if the newer ones also do that .
The dual coils at the back are such that only the outer one is fixed at both ends. The inner one is fixed only at the top and helps the outer one with heavy loads but at the same time does not restrict articulation and will let the wheel drop as low as it wants because, being connected only at one end it can only push on the axle but not pull.
Great video showing best off roaders in their respective categories, we envy the drivers.
The Unimog driver chose well, a very capable machine for earning one's stripes in. That Landy wouldn't have been as forgiving, which made the Mog clips even more interesting. Take some of the constructive criticism, and ignore the trolls.
Excellent footage too, especially in those tricky maneuvers, if you can do any better, clearly you'd be in the wrong profession/hobby.
hello, can you tell me what is the antenna you have on the defender?. thanks