@@bigbluebanter1108I think most of your regs prob enjoyed it thouroughy as did I. Most NYG fans @ this point, are suffering from a form of Stockholm Syndrome. This our therapy. Keep it up!
@bigbluebanter1108 Dan I appreciate you more and more. Thank you for blowing up on the Giants, my tension has gone away. After listing to you and Nick, it seems like we have more talent then I realized. I have been a long defender of DJ, however he is not a NFL QB. That's our problem.
Loving Dan's rants lately. I've been so frustrated and feeling like we've wasted so many years. Great to see some passion and energy, which is sadly what our organisation lacks.
agree with dan, you guys are at your best just talking ball and shooting the shit. that's why i watch every episode. thanks for pushing thru even when views are down on yt
Sorry you guys are down about the lack of views on the breakdowns but please keep the coming they really great quality content that helps me understand the game and the team better. Just think how enjoyable the breakdowns will be when(if) we become good!
Years and years of hearing Jones debates, articles, pods, radio etc. So many of the same opinions. Finally! A fresh new perspective, the g men have all the ingredients in place but they aren't going to succeed because Jones is a frozen meatball. It actually makes sense .
hey guys, I've been a NYG fan for over 60 years, for real. I never miss any of your UA-cam videos. imo your the best Giants podcast on UA-cam. I never leave a comment but today I have to say your take on Sc😊hoen's presser was spot on, keep up the good work. Robert
I appreciate, watch, and “Like” EVERY ONE of your videos. You guys are among the BEST out there, and your time is not wasted with true fans. Plz don’t lose any passion for your work. I’m sure plenty of people like your video; some just forget to “like” the videos.
The problem with the film breakdowns is that I had to sit through it the first time and I don't even actually want them to win at this point. It's hard to get emotionally invested in anything involving this team at this point. But I love your content.
I gotta say, I love the honest vulgarity and frustration! Dan, you speak for all of us fans and display the emotion we are share! Keep it going!!! Like that last episode, you know it’s bad when Nick is openly agitated…which I can see more of the rest of the season 🤣
They didn’t, they jus won’t come out and say it but all the evidence points to them not having any trust in him. Declined the 5th year option, waiting till the very last second to give him a contract after winning a playoff game, and trying to replace him in the draft
Retaining Kafka in an honorary role, essentially, and him AGREEING to it, reads as a total hedge move by Schoen in case he wants to replace Daboll while still keeping some level of continuity going into next season.
I agree. The first mistake was not having a QB competition at the start of the season. Maybe Russell would have been here. The other problem is signing a bad backup QB knowing you can’t put him in. If we had a good backup our record would be much better. I honestly don’t care if Daboll and Schoen go along with Jones. Schoen had a lot of time to prepare for this presser and know he’d be asked about Jones. I would have liked to have heard that he apologizes to the fans and knows much work has to be done and be honest about Jones without throwing him under the bus.
WR drops also .. Jones also gets them killed every time they go to catch the ball … that is in the back of their mind every time they get the 3 yard pass
The metaphor for Jones’ failure is missing a wide open Nabers by 10 feet on a third and 8. Didn’t take a brilliant play call. Jones wasn’t rushed, and bird dogged the target. He just threw a “yip.”
Not a Giants fan but love your pod. My take, a lot of NFL franchises are run like corporate businesses. The league has become so much about PR it’s gross. The Giants need to get back to grass roots football. Watching hardknocks, the little pre-draft presentation Joe gave the Mara and Daboll in his office, I watched and thought; this is something you would see at a stock exchange, not a football team. Giants aren’t the only team trading grass roots football for analytic departments.
What about going after John Gruden? I think he is by far one of the greatest offensive minds out there right now and if you get rid of, he would be the one I would want on the team your thoughts?
I would love for Chucky to be the head coach of the Giants with the OC of his choosing. You know that he would emphasize pounding the ball on the ground and spreading it out in the air to the receivers with all the right routes catered to the different running styles. Jon Gruden would restore the NYPD identity of the Giants as a tough defensive team overall.
Everything Dan says is true. But there is no way Schoen was gonna kill Jones in this presser. When he says the team is close, Schoen knows it is because of the QB. This year was the way to prove to Mara they need to do what it takes to fix the QB. They get the QB, and everything is better. And I think Schoen is 100 percent right on this.
its hard to evaluate dabol because is he maybe simplifying things to try and get the best/safest system for jones to operate so we dont know if its the scheme or the QB until we see what dabol does with one of ward/milroe or nussmier next year and like we think dabol was suppossed to be a QB developer or not
Why are people surprised that Herbert looks good under Harbaugh. What Qb has looked bad under Harbaugh. He builds his teams to be heavy in running the ball, maulers, and great play action.
We watched Daboll with worse receiving options in 2023, manage this offense with Tyrod and Devito, even squeezing out anything with a limited qb in Jones.
Does the Jones injury guarantee also cover practice and the weight room? If yes is it possible that the Giants prevent him from practicing and working out in the weight room?
Guys - you need to educate yourselves on Drew Lock. The last two games he started last season he torched the Eagles and took the Seahawks into the 4th quarter down 21 - 16 in Frisco. If you are basing his performance on one half in the preseason and the 4th quarter of a blowout, it tells me that you don't know quarterbacking and should probably tone down your comments on Drew Lock's capabilities.
@Nabersszn5210 The FACT that DREW LOCK torched the Eagles last season on MNF or the FACT that he brought the Seahawks into the 4th quarter down 21 - 16 in Frisco? Those are FACTS, son. I don't have the time or inclination to explore your ignorance further.
I disagree with the sentiment that the coaching staff doesn’t hold DJ accountable. I recall daboll ripping him a new one on the sideline when he makes some bone headed throws. And of course the ny media ripped daboll for that… and now we are saying he doesn’t hold dj accountable? IMO he’s absolutely at his wits end with DJ.
Insightful discussion men. I think the kid gloves for DJ, across multiple regimes, is due his status as a Mara fave. Daboll/Schoen are going out of their way to show him how misguided his loyalty has been. Whether it’s b/c he personally likes DJ or maybe his newphew, Tim McDonnell had a conviction on DJ when they drafted him and he’s stuck in a nepotism fueled denial. “There’s no way my nephew could’ve gotten the eval wrong!” He loves a QB who hasn’t played like he loves him back. You’d think to show gratitude he’d play in a way that was watchable. Nope. It’s truly mindboggling.
"Daboll/Schoen are going out of their way to show him how misguided his loyalty has been." Even by internet standards that's a bonkers conspiracy theory.
The one good thing about the Giants being the worst team in football - yeah they probably are or very close to - is that we get Dan’s rants, which in all honestly are probably bad for his overall health lol , great content for these trying times gentlemen
Schoen has at least shown signs of getting better at his job while Daboll makes the same mistakes over and over again. Even as a play called his red zone has a lot to desire. Im cool with letting Schoen decide if Daboll stays or goes, but whatever they decide at QB (vet, trade, most likely draft pick) you have two years until we reset.
@SweetL8me. I share your frustration, and yes, Dabol, makes some poor decisions but he is not really the problem. I defended DJ to a fault but he needs to go. We have talent buy QB is extremely bad
If we draft Shedure, we will be fine. With nabors and Tracey.. We need to get a offensive coordinator from Shawn Mcvay or for kevin O' Connell and we'll be just fine
IMO, our Giants are 3 moves from being a viable playoff team. Upgrade at QB, IDL to pair with Dex, and CB1 since I believe Banks will become a good CB2. Of course, QB won't be easy. However, IDL can be found in the draft, and CB1 would be my top priority in FA. And, no, I personally would not get rid of Dabs/Joe. I don't know why some needed Joe to fall on the sword yesterday. The record speaks for itself! Mara can blow this thing up. But, that would not make me feel any better personally.
@@davissinclair4945 DJ is a coach assassin: 2 HCs (Schurmer and Judge) and 2 OCs (Garrett and Kafka, for all intents and purposes). Even when he's a back-up on his next team, his new coaches will put their houses up for sale, as a precaution...
Told you we shoulda taken a QB. But noooooo couldn’t pass on Nabers! Kafka had Jones with James and Hodgins and Slayton scoring more often in the red zone than we do with Nabars WanDale Slayton Hyatt.
Schoen with 18 dimensional chess. Ot bringing in a real back up so once we pulled Jones and could tank it up and guaruntee a better pick. Hes GENIUUUUUSSSSSSS. Trustmedewdz
Do U think Schoen saying he is not going to consider injury clause and QB decision will be purely football means DJ might play? Bc Schoen and Daboll have been saying DJ is better than Lock and DeVito.
Schoen should be fired for saying that alone. This guy is a disaster learning on the job type guy. His job is keeping the Giants financially sound. Not take meaningless risks on a lost season. I mean are you people sane?
@chrisd742 Yes! He also said Ezuedu settled down and played well against Eagles! And didn't think it was mistake to put him in at T and will continue to work with Bricillo. Schoen seems clueless.
I was not impressed with Schoen's presser. I agree that it was mostly rehearsed boilerplate. And I didn't like how gamey it was ended - with someone saying something to him off camera and he gets up with a "Thanks guys" and abruptly leaves. We deserve better than this.
10 games so far this year. Daniel Jones has 0 TDs in 6 of them. He is 90% of the problem, and for that reason alone, I want to see Daboll with a new QB. Our entire playbook is limited because of Jones.
An hour and 10 minute video about a 15-20 minute press conference. Can't explain how badly I needed this 😂.
Kind of got lost along the way -- breaking off into a bunch of tangents on roster building, 30,000-foot view stuff. - Dan
@@bigbluebanter1108 we love you dan🤣
@@bigbluebanter1108I think most of your regs prob enjoyed it thouroughy as did I. Most NYG fans @ this point, are suffering from a form of Stockholm Syndrome. This our therapy. Keep it up!
@bigbluebanter1108 Dan I appreciate you more and more. Thank you for blowing up on the Giants, my tension has gone away. After listing to you and Nick, it seems like we have more talent then I realized. I have been a long defender of DJ, however he is not a NFL QB. That's our problem.
5:55 First Dan Rant
11:15 -anger again
13:17
This guy cares
Anger = cares ? You must have had one screwed up childhood.
I would not have been able to make it through this DJ era of giants football if it wasn’t for yall and Talkin’ Giants. I appreciate all yall do,
Thank you!
Dan has been on fire for the past few weeks...
I like it...
You must be a big fan of whining and crying coupled with irrational anger.
51:40 "Moon me, Russell Wilson, moon me!" 🤣🤣🤣
Loving Dan's rants lately. I've been so frustrated and feeling like we've wasted so many years. Great to see some passion and energy, which is sadly what our organisation lacks.
agree with dan, you guys are at your best just talking ball and shooting the shit. that's why i watch every episode. thanks for pushing thru even when views are down on yt
Thank you!
Sorry you guys are down about the lack of views on the breakdowns but please keep the coming they really great quality content that helps me understand the game and the team better. Just think how enjoyable the breakdowns will be when(if) we become good!
Appreciate you guys a lot ❤
I so looked forward to how Dan is about to roast Joe Schoen and this ridiculous team.
Great job as always guys !
Great discussion!!
Thank you!
John Oates' new solo project is really quite good!!
Loved the discussion of QBs at the end. Keep it up!
Great content!
Dillon! Appreciate it, buddy
Years and years of hearing Jones debates, articles, pods, radio etc. So many of the same opinions. Finally! A fresh new perspective, the g men have all the ingredients in place but they aren't going to succeed because Jones is a frozen meatball. It actually makes sense .
You guys are great. Great work again. You guys get it. Thx
Thank you, Buckwheat!
hey guys, I've been a NYG fan for over 60 years, for real. I never miss any of your UA-cam videos. imo your the best Giants podcast on UA-cam. I never leave a comment but today I have to say your take on Sc😊hoen's presser was spot on, keep up the good work. Robert
Thank you so much, Robert! You have lovely weekend.
Amazing! I was hoping we'd get one of these!
Great work!
These Dan rants need to go viral lol
You guys are great. I’m going to watch the defensive breakdown and Neal videos. I did watch the offensive breakdown
Thank you for the kind words!
Great work boys
Thank you, Joseph!
Big Blue Banter thank you excellent content!!
Thank you, Christie!
I appreciate, watch, and “Like” EVERY ONE of your videos. You guys are among the BEST out there, and your time is not wasted with true fans. Plz don’t lose any passion for your work. I’m sure plenty of people like your video; some just forget to “like” the videos.
You guys make sense and confirm what I see... Tanks...
Your content is great. Sticking with you even though staying engaged with this team is difficult.
Thank you!
The problem with the film breakdowns is that I had to sit through it the first time and I don't even actually want them to win at this point. It's hard to get emotionally invested in anything involving this team at this point.
But I love your content.
Nick and Dan at their best! Good show
Thank you!
This is "their best"? They just blamed the QB for drops. That's just goofy.
I’ve been WAITING for this. I love you guys.
Play speed... We QBs call it eye-speed. Valid point, Nick.
Elite thumbnail.
Oh boy, the breakdown ive been waiting for! Come on, guys, slam that thumbs up!
Thank you, Mr. Brightside!
Dan’s a dead head?! Awesome. Love the channel guys!
We appreciate it!
Need to get you guys on BlueSky
Nice shirt Dan. .
Thanks
I gotta say, I love the honest vulgarity and frustration! Dan, you speak for all of us fans and display the emotion we are share! Keep it going!!! Like that last episode, you know it’s bad when Nick is openly agitated…which I can see more of the rest of the season 🤣
I love when I can just see the rant about Jones coming and boom...!!!
His face said everything his mouth wanted to say to answer that Duggan question 😂
Love these two. Nick, you’re a handsome guy, trim that stache broham 🤣
Lol, thank you
Why are we trusting a front office that believed in Daniel Jones!?
They didn’t, they jus won’t come out and say it but all the evidence points to them not having any trust in him. Declined the 5th year option, waiting till the very last second to give him a contract after winning a playoff game, and trying to replace him in the draft
Retaining Kafka in an honorary role, essentially, and him AGREEING to it, reads as a total hedge move by Schoen in case he wants to replace Daboll while still keeping some level of continuity going into next season.
I agree. The first mistake was not having a QB competition at the start of the season. Maybe Russell would have been here. The other problem is signing a bad backup QB knowing you can’t put him in. If we had a good backup our record would be much better.
I honestly don’t care if Daboll and Schoen go along with Jones.
Schoen had a lot of time to prepare for this presser and know he’d be asked about Jones.
I would have liked to have heard that he apologizes to the fans and knows much work has to be done and be honest about Jones without throwing him under the bus.
Nick mentions Ojulari and Fox, but we on most of the pods never mentions how much we miss Kayvon.
What do you guys think about Daboll relinquishing the playcalling back to Kafka? I'm leaning that way. BTW, great shirt Dan - love the Dead!
Some would say this year would be “perfect timing” for us to get the first overall pick…
I've almost wondered if Kafka would have been a better Coach option if Daboll didn't burn that bridge.
WR drops also .. Jones also gets them killed every time they go to catch the ball … that is in the back of their mind every time they get the 3 yard pass
Moon me Russell is crazy😭😭😭😭😭😭
The metaphor for Jones’ failure is missing a wide open Nabers by 10 feet on a third and 8. Didn’t take a brilliant play call. Jones wasn’t rushed, and bird dogged the target. He just threw a “yip.”
Not a Giants fan but love your pod. My take, a lot of NFL franchises are run like corporate businesses. The league has become so much about PR it’s gross. The Giants need to get back to grass roots football. Watching hardknocks, the little pre-draft presentation Joe gave the Mara and Daboll in his office, I watched and thought; this is something you would see at a stock exchange, not a football team. Giants aren’t the only team trading grass roots football for analytic departments.
a comment for support🤬🤬🤬
Guys are you in on the Texans OC for head coach if Daboll is fired? Although he may also be taking the Jacksonville or Chicago job.
What about going after John Gruden? I think he is by far one of the greatest offensive minds out there right now and if you get rid of, he would be the one I would want on the team your thoughts?
I would love for Chucky to be the head coach of the Giants with the OC of his choosing. You know that he would emphasize pounding the ball on the ground and spreading it out in the air to the receivers with all the right routes catered to the different running styles. Jon Gruden would restore the NYPD identity of the Giants as a tough defensive team overall.
Everything Dan says is true. But there is no way Schoen was gonna kill Jones in this presser. When he says the team is close, Schoen knows it is because of the QB. This year was the way to prove to Mara they need to do what it takes to fix the QB. They get the QB, and everything is better. And I think Schoen is 100 percent right on this.
“The whole dish could be better! The whole meal could be better! This whole analogy could be better!”
Comment to boost algorithm in another stinker of a season
its hard to evaluate dabol because is he maybe simplifying things to try and get the best/safest system for jones to operate so we dont know if its the scheme or the QB until we see what dabol does with one of ward/milroe or nussmier next year and like we think dabol was suppossed to be a QB developer or not
Why are people surprised that Herbert looks good under Harbaugh. What Qb has looked bad under Harbaugh. He builds his teams to be heavy in running the ball, maulers, and great play action.
We watched Daboll with worse receiving options in 2023, manage this offense with Tyrod and Devito, even squeezing out anything with a limited qb in Jones.
There's a difference between close game & close final score.
Does the Jones injury guarantee also cover practice and the weight room? If yes is it possible that the Giants prevent him from practicing and working out in the weight room?
Guys - you need to educate yourselves on Drew Lock. The last two games he started last season he torched the Eagles and took the Seahawks into the 4th quarter down 21 - 16 in Frisco. If you are basing his performance on one half in the preseason and the 4th quarter of a blowout, it tells me that you don't know quarterbacking and should probably tone down your comments on Drew Lock's capabilities.
It’s incredible how wrong you are
@Nabersszn5210 The FACT that DREW LOCK torched the Eagles last season on MNF or the FACT that he brought the Seahawks into the 4th quarter down 21 - 16 in Frisco? Those are FACTS, son. I don't have the time or inclination to explore your ignorance further.
Yall notice every team we play with a bad pass defense always all of a sudden looks like LOB every week?
To funny we get Dan rant timestamps..lol
I disagree with the sentiment that the coaching staff doesn’t hold DJ accountable. I recall daboll ripping him a new one on the sideline when he makes some bone headed throws. And of course the ny media ripped daboll for that… and now we are saying he doesn’t hold dj accountable? IMO he’s absolutely at his wits end with DJ.
Insightful discussion men. I think the kid gloves for DJ, across multiple regimes, is due his status as a Mara fave. Daboll/Schoen are going out of their way to show him how misguided his loyalty has been. Whether it’s b/c he personally likes DJ or maybe his newphew, Tim McDonnell had a conviction on DJ when they drafted him and he’s stuck in a nepotism fueled denial. “There’s no way my nephew could’ve gotten the eval wrong!” He loves a QB who hasn’t played like he loves him back. You’d think to show gratitude he’d play in a way that was watchable. Nope. It’s truly mindboggling.
"Daboll/Schoen are going out of their way to show him how misguided his loyalty has been." Even by internet standards that's a bonkers conspiracy theory.
The one good thing about the Giants being the worst team in football - yeah they probably are or very close to - is that we get Dan’s rants, which in all honestly are probably bad for his overall health lol , great content for these trying times gentlemen
Amazing Russ Wilson is now good again. Cut from Seahawks, cut from Broncos, back to being hall of famer.
What about Kafka as HC?
I just hope lock can be competent if they pull the trigger. It would not shock me if Jones is the QB out of the bye week
Schoen and Daboll need to choose "their" QB from the draft.
Lots of meatball and poker metaphors here
Love Nick...he needs more air time...Dan is very good but he talks over Nick a lot
Please join Bluesky!
Schoen has at least shown signs of getting better at his job while Daboll makes the same mistakes over and over again. Even as a play called his red zone has a lot to desire. Im cool with letting Schoen decide if Daboll stays or goes, but whatever they decide at QB (vet, trade, most likely draft pick) you have two years until we reset.
Clean house. I take no pleasure in saying that because I want continuity. This was embarrassing. At the very least we need a new head coach.
Facts we want wins not continuity
Agreed, clean house!!!!
How many times are we gonna keep saying this?
@SweetL8me. I share your frustration, and yes, Dabol, makes some poor decisions but he is not really the problem. I defended DJ to a fault but he needs to go. We have talent buy QB is extremely bad
If we draft Shedure, we will be fine. With nabors and Tracey.. We need to get a offensive coordinator from Shawn Mcvay or for kevin O' Connell and we'll be just fine
Drake Maye reminds me of Jay Cutler
Hire Spags as head coach & draft cam ward
IMO, our Giants are 3 moves from being a viable playoff team. Upgrade at QB, IDL to pair with Dex, and CB1 since I believe Banks will become a good CB2. Of course, QB won't be easy. However, IDL can be found in the draft, and CB1 would be my top priority in FA. And, no, I personally would not get rid of Dabs/Joe. I don't know why some needed Joe to fall on the sword yesterday. The record speaks for itself! Mara can blow this thing up. But, that would not make me feel any better personally.
All 3 issues you just stated are directly Joe Schoen’s fault lmfao. And yet you try to justify keeping him
Would you still sit Jones if he had no injury guarantee?
I'm not giving Daboll any of the blame while Daniel Jones is strangling this offense.
You could say the same thing about Jason Garrett's offense. It was strangled by the play of Daniel Jones.
@@davissinclair4945 DJ is a coach assassin: 2 HCs (Schurmer and Judge) and 2 OCs (Garrett and Kafka, for all intents and purposes). Even when he's a back-up on his next team, his new coaches will put their houses up for sale, as a precaution...
Told you we shoulda taken a QB. But noooooo couldn’t pass on Nabers!
Kafka had Jones with James and Hodgins and Slayton scoring more often in the red zone than we do with Nabars WanDale Slayton Hyatt.
Schoen with 18 dimensional chess. Ot bringing in a real back up so once we pulled Jones and could tank it up and guaruntee a better pick. Hes GENIUUUUUSSSSSSS. Trustmedewdz
COOK DAN WOW
Johnson might take the job because it’s hard to turn down a head coaching job.
Maneater was fantastic oates
I want to be unburdened by what has been (Daniel jones)
Lolol
Coach Coughlin says click ‘like’ no later than 5m before the video ends.
Chris Canty said it best,”Shoen and Daboll have won with Daniel Jones. Now what?
The offense's best redzone % came under Kafka in 2022. Daboll is a better head coach than he is a play caller, with this QB at least
End the nightmare. Bring on a new QB.
Do U think Schoen saying he is not going to consider injury clause and QB decision will be purely football means DJ might play? Bc Schoen and Daboll have been saying DJ is better than Lock and DeVito.
Schoen should be fired for saying that alone. This guy is a disaster learning on the job type guy. His job is keeping the Giants financially sound. Not take meaningless risks on a lost season. I mean are you people sane?
@chrisd742 Yes! He also said Ezuedu settled down and played well against Eagles! And didn't think it was mistake to put him in at T and will continue to work with Bricillo. Schoen seems clueless.
Gable is not throwing the ball Jones just got a noodle for a arm and I don’t wanna talk about his eyes cause he can’t see shit
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I was not impressed with Schoen's presser. I agree that it was mostly rehearsed boilerplate. And I didn't like how gamey it was ended - with someone saying something to him off camera and he gets up with a "Thanks guys" and abruptly leaves.
We deserve better than this.
I’d take Caleb over Lawerence any day. Plus Florida 😂
10 games so far this year. Daniel Jones has 0 TDs in 6 of them. He is 90% of the problem, and for that reason alone, I want to see Daboll with a new QB. Our entire playbook is limited because of Jones.
It's all Jones