Thank you mate :) It was a tricky topic to broach and I reckon it'll be divisive for a while, but hopefully everyone finds a healthy balanace that they're happy with. Have a good one!
@MaBucket can you do a video on gearing op epics. Particularly Idril, my legends are getting their butt's kicked by her but mine seems rubbish in comparison.
After actually watching the vid, I gotta say my man i love your raw and authentic perspective on things. Just giving it straight with no sugar coding, great vid my man 🙏🏽
I play MLBB, Most players in mlbb are souteast asia players also with the skin prices A collector skin can cost about 5,000 diamonds A collab skin can cost about 6k-7k diamonds (like hello kitty and transformers) a time limited skin can cost about 7k-8k diamonds (like ABYSS, HERO) and a 11.11 skin can cost about 11k diamonds (well actually not too sure but i think it is)
The lowest cost for skin is 50 diamonds actually. The skin could be obtained through seasonal skin purchase but it is limited. It occasionally appear in the shop if there is some event.
It cost around 100-150$ for an exclusive skin. Like collector or/and Epic skin, which including Legendary skin. Theyre not nerfing actually, they revamped the skin into a better version. I loves MLBB. I played it a lot and I got around 300++ skin which include also exclusives skin. Anyway, great vids. Loves your content, youre standing in both side equally instead of just ranting like the other content creator. You made people understand whats what and whats not.
Event skins, collaboration skins and exclusive skins in MLBB can cost between 200 USD to over 1000 USD per skin. I have nearly 300 skins in my MLBB account.
I totally agree with you. WoR is pretty f2p friendly but I’m starting to notice the difference between heavy paid and low spenders and f2p. As time goes on, it’ll be harder for low spenders and f2p to get to overlord in arena for example. It’s a plain gamble, there are f2p players with an amazing roster, p2w with no luck and so on, as long as this keeps making money, Moonton will do more and more, they maybe start caring less for the f2p and focus and press the low spenders to put more money. It’s all speculation but it won’t surprise me that the game goes to trash at some point. There won’t be ever a gacha game where the f2p can compete at the same level as a whale or kraken.
there are games like that, i disagree a lot with the notion of gacha games being imposible for f2p, there are many gachas where f2p do as well as paid players... I think we should try to get the devs to listen and vote with our wallets both can make an impact, we all want a better game not a worse one
@@nicormoreno that’s really true, although I don’t know any good gachas with an excellent balance. The mobile gaming industry is very dark; I like it since you can play almost anywhere but it’s not like pc games where you just pay for a game and enjoy it, where time is the only factor that will asure your success (I know there are paid options in pc but it’s mostly skill and time)
@@AnimaDuctor Dissidia final fantasy opera omnia is one i played a lot, its just 100% fair for f2p and paid players, also octopath traveler continent of the ninth
The business model since original Maplestory launched is only Free to PLAY. There is no promise on 'competing' or 'keeping up', only the offer of being able to log in and eventually complete content even if it takes 10 times longer than even a minnow. Finishing the launch day content after the first anniversary, that kind of thing. The only F2P games that have ever advertised non payers being able to catch up are deceptive cashgrabs. At this point it's more an issue of new player expectation than dev practices.
I play MLBB at the highest rank as completely f2p and the skin stats make no noticeable difference when I battle players that have the pay skins vs me when I use base skin. Also at 8:00 was when they did a complete skill revamp on the displayed character they updated the base skin of the character. They constantly do this whenever they revamp skills on underused heroes to freshen things up a bit.
I think this game is going to follow "Mobile Legend Adventure", another moonton game. There is going to be exclusive skin and non-exclusive one. The exclusive would require a lot of money but a very unique design skin. The non-exclusive one would be cheap(maybe 10$) but the skin would be dull and cheap-looking. There is also basic skin where u can get for free by doing missions(i think) but the skin is the same just different colour palette.
They have another gatcha game, ML Adventure. A lot of skins there too, all with negligible stats. Some are locked behind gatcha and end up quite expensive, but most can be aquired for around 20€. They offer the opportunity to get some for free too. Unfortunately, most mobile games these days have some sort of gacha/gambling system because, as you said, it brings the most money. No different from a casino. And it will continue this way until the big markets these games prey on will start regulating and taxing them as they do with casinos.
Im not bothered by the fact that its exclusive but it was made like it was going to be obtainable for everyone when indeed it wasnt. I was excited but its ok its just a skin it wont change the way i play the game. So power to the 50 players who gets her ❤
Usually what happened in any form of gacha games, once they introduce skin with stats, they end up have to do two things to make the future rewards even worth for leviathans/whales to spend money on. There's only 2 path for it : 1) Add some very cool skin/collab skin with more effects than it's predecessor and make it only available to the ultimate leaderboards. 2) Add skins with more stats and make it more of a must-have item to stay on top and only available in the ultimate leaderboard. A bunch of games have done the number 2. Locking things behind a huge paywall is one thing but when you create a skin with stats, you open up a possiblity. Rewards for the ultimate leaderboards will have to keep on improving. At some point, visual effects won't be enough to keep people spending. MLBB is purely a Moba game where your gaming skills are way more important than stats but in a strategy rpg gacha, % stats have more value and big enough to make a difference. Most dead games in the play store went with the skin with more stats path, some even put a whole different set of skills for the skin. Most of them end up dead later, with barely anyone playing
Thank you for your thoughts about gatcha games, you are 100% correct in what your saying imo. More people should realize this as well, you don't go into a casino expecting to win (or atleast I hope not.)
You're right, it's a "redesign" and it's not solely decided by moonton, the majority of the player decides which hero gets the "redesign" or as we call it "Hero Revamp".
Sound analysis and arguments from both sides. I agree on this being the last Gatcha game; I think for me after this I'll try Fateless as I have hope HH and Ash will make it F2P friendly and still make money from it. Especially after experiencing both raid and WoR. Tbh, I feel WoR is the most generous Gatcha on the market atm, getting freebies like Wrath and Marri is massive.
Thx for the video. I don't see skins as a big deal. Maybe people have forgotten this is a gacha game, but pay 2 win should be baked into a person's expectations. And while I don't disagree these games are designed to be casino-like, players don't go into this blind. We know what we sign up for. I play RSL, going on for over a year now, and their relentless monetization has really pushed me away the past few months to the point where I'm logging in to do the daily quests and stockpiling resources. I am not trying to advance the account and progress through content. Watcher of Realms is not there yet, not even close, nor do I think they will ever get there, but even if they don't, I will eventually tire and move on. So I'd like to echo what MaBucket has said, and say if the skin controversy is really upsetting to a person, they should consider alternatives because its not going to get better, its only going to get worse, and you don't want to be stuck in a game that makes you feel resentful to play.
My point of view: if its negigible and irrelevant why adding them? the simple reason and obvious is: they are testing the ground for future stuff, if we let this one slide its going to get worse, there is no way they added that few stats for no reason. I can bet anything there will be ways of leveling skins in the future. The solcadens thing feels pretty unfair as well, if you are a massive whale you get early hero, for everyone else is just unnatainable... i am extremely sad by this, i love the game a lot, thanks for the videos, hope the community manages to change the direction. Had to add this edit: thanks a lot for the video it made me feel better, i still think its a good idea to vote with our voices, not just with our wallets, voting in discord and voicing concern is not useless
it's easy to say 0.7% of a stat is no big deal, until someone has a full 8 skin team. Then we are talking a 5-6% advantage. And depending on how THAT scales, it's definitely a meaningful difference.
100% agree with your comment where this doesn't seem that bad but if you are bothered by this type of thing, maybe to reconsider playing gacha games as a whole. It is a "dirty industry". When people act surprised about p2w aspects, even the tame ones, I always reply "welcome to the gacha world". This is where I stand because yes, some are worse than others, but even the BEST and most "f2p friendly" HAVE to have some tactics to make extra money, it's just the way it works for this "free to play/download" style.
There are better ways to make money in these games. The Krakens need the FTP as much as the FTP need the Krakens. Heck, they would make a ton of money if they outright offered Legos for sale during their summoning events. I would have 100% have purchased a Hex instead of chasing him in the summons.
@@LancerX916 People would FREAK out if they started charging like $100 legos! from events. It happened in other games I heard the backlash. That's definitely not a solution...
Absolutely, the genre isn't for everyone and it's gone further from how it used to be - we either accept it or move on and either is totally fine. Be interesting to see how this all works out long-term
Fully agree. Tho I really wish they were just hats. Like how DotA 2 does it. No stats, just new looks. Also, Gisele is out for about 2 or 3 weeks now, but it was a sneaky add like always
I have to say something ! I am not a subscriber but sometimes I see your videos but your silence means a lot for the viewers and for the community . i think you were one of the first and most professional content creators for watcher of realms and when i was starting to search for you now to write down this comment i had to scroll down at least 30 or more videos passing more than 7 content creators to get your page and before that i was bombarded buy content creator like hades ,cold brew , ash the gai murder ink and a few more and that made me feel that there are taking all the viewers of the old people that were covering this game and they were doing great but well i think you have to do videos to get perks but yes you silence means a lot even if you think we don't know !
I'm not too fussed about it for now. There's got to be something for krakens to splurge on past the end game. I'd rather it be something like this than for them to endlessly add crazy new mechanics every other week that makes the gap between spenders and non spenders even more insurmountable than it already is.
The game gave us a chance to get zilitu for her skin release with her banner rerun. Only to crush our hopes of owning the first ever skin in the game by making it limited for 50 players only.
The stats will be added by wearing the skin or having the skin? Because if it is only by wearing the skin, I can make up for it, but if the stats adds up by only have it... it doesn't look good :/. More skins of the same hero might really boost unfairly spenders.
That's a very nice perspective. I'm f2p and totally fine with it. Some companies have done worse. I think they need to do these kinds of things every now and then to make whales happy since they are the main source of their income and it's not totally ruining everyone's gaming experience. People just love to complain on every little things if they didn't go their way without even understanding the reasoning behind it.
The change to that MLBB skin is basically LoL style skin updates. Some players really hate the cleaner and more streamlined look to the point that they would pay to have the classic look restored. If you want a more old school style of random hero collector you may want to try the original Summoners War. Still the only game out there where many day 1 units are evergreen and all new content becomes permanent outside of gameplay updates and collabs.
Very good perspective. I have no problems with these games making a healthy profit. I'm just hoping that they reinvest those profits aggressively to give us an amazing game!
Its not only Gacha games, that are using these formula's. The entire gaming industry, has been changed in the last 10 years or so, from providing entertainment to extracting as much money from the player as they can. I dont mind spending money on a game,but it gets to the point where you are spending, just to keep up.
I played MLA and Moontoon is known for giving stats on skins. Its no surprise to me tbh and the stat increase is marginal for me. I dont mind it and so far they only scaled with base stats
You mentioned not knowing if stats on skins were high for MLBB- I can confirm that the stats are more valuable in early game. For example. Take a carry hero- Miya. she starts at 100 attack. +8 attack is an 8% increase. Thats 8% better auto attack damage, and skills with various scaling. Granted at level 15 she has 296 attack, so it falls off, to about 2.7% but the early game (and arguably the most important part as it sets precedent for the late game) is largely affected. The skin bonuses also stack. Meaning if you have multiple skins for the same character, that bonus is additive. 8+8+8, it adds up. The better comparison would have been to MLA (mobile legends adventure) as its a team building gacha game. There the stats are wildly different for skins, unfortunately, after 20 minutes of research, its hard to say what they are. But when I played I remember them being a bit more substantial, and again, they stack there as well. The point im trying to make is, undo the precedent. Make angy noises. Get upset that they're doing this. I get that this will be your last game, but like, die on that hill. make an uproar. If it still goes through then you know they dont care about us and are only about the $$$. But complacency with it and just accepting it isnt good.
nahhh it's pretty much non existent. mlbb is a moba game where balancing is much more important than wor and they allow skins in competitive patform and some pro players also not use some skins and it won't make a change since the added stats is pretty much non existing.
@OnyxDragonica sorry but I disagree. the stats are minimal. they have a little bit of impact at level 1 but everyone usually has a skin so it doesn't end up making a difference. the skins also do not stack.
@@shockway1 I apologize. I got my info from a combination of the wiki and from the reddit itself, didnt bother to check myself because I dislike mobile games anyways
if they want to start to be more P2W they should made the reward for Arena and Guild Wars much less significant, the ancient summoning crystal should be given to platinum rank also
I like your video. Your message is good. To be clear though it has gambling mechanics, it's defiantly not gambling. Gambling you think your going to make money with money. Anyone with a brain should know, ANY MONEY YOU PUT IN ANY VIDEO GAME IS A WATSE OF MONEY. With that said I have extra money I can put into it. I have more extra money than I do extra time. I don't have time to master a MOBA or WOW, or something like that. So I play a game like WOR that i can enjoy frequent updates and spend money for fun. Hate to break it to everyone out there who doesn't know but all video games are a waste of time and money. The exception being the social enjoyments, relaxation and you get out of them either from spending or from time put in. But don't spend money you don't have and done waste all your time into a video game. Your time is money. UA-cam pays for your and my time. So to be clear be smart with your time and money. But all these youtubers almost seem negative recently. Don't play or support things you don't like. I take it for what it is. A video game. Which in the right amounts can be fun but needs to be taken for what it is..
So my thing, is was this actually tested on forerunner or the test server? Cause all I see is a photo saying its .7%. Has anyone actually datamined or tested it to make sure its .7% of base stats. What if the coder messed up and put .07 as the multiplier? Thats 7%, which is a decent stat boost. I get that 99% of people won't go up against these players now, but what about in 2-3+ years? I dont mind giving the skin out to the top 50 spenders, good for them, there's just no reason for stats to be involved. It sets a bad precedent for them to keep on doing it, and maybe in the future, it redefines a meta.
I have 80 skins in MLBB. I've used money for only one time (Wanwan's Starlight skin), the rest are free because Moonton gives free skins and free tokens for events.
@@Hekimalounge For now, but then in arena small differences matter 0.7% dmg increase can make a difference in a tight situation just like it can make a difference in guild boss when you're missing those 5-7points for top chest.
@@JohnnyJetpackif they are going to make a free zilitu skin, im very much sure it will be the same stats, so not too worry, it will be just a long time.
I don't mind they adding skins in the game but it gets bad when the skins have states boost, this means that they're creating a gap between P2W (keep winning) and F2P (keep losing)
I think that your but the thing I don't like is that the states are in green if you look at artifacts it looks like there upgradable I bet that's the case I hope it's not but who knows
I am a very low spender$20/month and I hate that the Krakens can get stuff that I can get. I will face these Krakens in Arena because I am a good player and will get to the top of arena but this kind of thing ensures I cant compete against the Krakens. You say its a very small boost so its not a big deal but this is only 1 thing that Krakens will get that I cant and there will be alot more of this type added to the game. Skins should be sold just to be able to customize your heros and not buff them.
MLBB is still my favorite mobile game of all time, I also play RAID moontoon being the developers is what gravitated towards WoR I trust moontoon, at the very least they listen to feedback, nothing will get out of hand
I liked this game bcuz i could "choose" to spend $$ if i wanted to speed things up. But I didnt need to do that to progress. Adding things like these takes the "choice" away...
As someone who's been playing Mobile Legends for years, the skins don't actually do sh*t. It's just there purely for aesthetics. Hopefully, they do follow the same formula here. I enjoy Watcher of Realms and I do spend money on it for the privileged cards (I got two accounts). However, I will quit if the money grabbing gets worse. I will stay with it for a while to see where it will go. It's not my main game anyway, so whatever. I'm not surprised by all of this development, to be honest. I know how money-hungry Moonton can be and...as you said, I signed up for it. Hopefully they focus more on gameplay and more instances rather than this...money-making schemes. More void rift, more in-game community events, more puzzles.
Whale to win. Whipee. I have only played one game that did gacha right. Arknights. As much as this game please me it sucks to see it gets worse and worse. It also seems to get more and more preying on player.
I'm fine with games adding monetization schemes thru skins. However, I am not fine with it having stats. Regardless of how low the additional stats is (0.7% atk), it's still something. I hate it to bits. It's disgusting. The same reason why I don't play MLBB cause skins got stats. Which is so dumb for a MOBA game.
i knew someone will mention mlbb sooner or later, We can expect Skins having very low stats, low enough to be insignificant, so everyone should not worry, even in mlbb, the very rare and good skins have even the same stat as every skin, skins should be only a cosmetic, if there are stats, it should be low enough for people not to care about it.
Nope....I came from Bloodline. I'm not fully going into it, but Bloodline started this way and after 20+ p2w skins it's over +15% hp +15% attk account wide. Who's to say they don't bump up stats in the future. Especially when the krakens, who have access to devs, start complaining for more stats to devs because of how much they spend. Your being short sighted. Today it isn't a problem, tomorrow is a different story. It's the principle.
@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III It started as a 1% Now you can have 45% hp 15% attack and 24% district income. I went back today to see how it progressed. No wonder they went from 8k servers to 300.
Yeah them being super low is good, but it feels like an unnecessary loss to add the stats - it's just an easy way to upset people when they don't even offer anything anyway
Lmao the opinion of this skin is not split at all some mfs already uninstalled the game 😂 they didn't even bother they just gonna come back to raid/sw. Good knowing y'all
obv they need more yachts. such a shame i had such high hopes for this game, but its turning into every other gatcha that came before it without any evolution. there is a reason people jump to new gatchas its because the developers dont bother with content, and focus on skins/cosmetics/pay for power, im wondering if its possible to request a refund from apple based on the direction change of the game?
ugh... wish they take epic7 or arknight approach on buying the skins now it just similar with nikke kind of gacha but worst to get top 50 in leaderboard
Well hopefully when fateless puts out their 1st game you will cover it. I have high hopes they will produce something actually worth playing long term.
As long as the stats stay low, who cares? 99.99999% of players won't be seeing this skin unless it's getting sold next year or at another point. Let the whales waste their money on this event to support the game so we get cool new stuff in the future, /shrug
I hate that skins have stats,its dumb especially when only the top 50 Krakens in the game will get this advantage. so the distance between the f2p/low spenders is gonna be wider. This is a bad decision to allow stats on skins.
Not a good feeling on this event all around - All whale targeted with no bones thrown to the rest. 1. Skin stats are negligible but it sets a precedence 2. Skin is for whales only 3. Champion reward is whales only 4. Tons of champions on Forerunner server but releasing a BRAND new one and an only recently released on Forerunner champ? Ruins planning and is likely greed targeted. Skins with stats could be ok if it's a part of the system just like artifacts, gear, promotions, etc...but this is not. Thumbs down Watchers - as I watch your vid while typing this I see we agree to a reasonable point, including the Gacha Game being a casino game. We set ourselves up to be robbed blind. I said RAID was my last but here I am with some false hope Watcher will be different.
deleting game. sad i just started. WOR starting to have Raid syndrom so i just return Raid. if 2 of them same p2w garbage i go play Raid it simply better
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Love your opinions and your take in Gatcha Games. Thanks a lot for sharing it and for openly talking about it with your massive community.
Thank you mate :) It was a tricky topic to broach and I reckon it'll be divisive for a while, but hopefully everyone finds a healthy balanace that they're happy with. Have a good one!
@MaBucket can you do a video on gearing op epics. Particularly Idril, my legends are getting their butt's kicked by her but mine seems rubbish in comparison.
Fantastic take, many cc's tend to be very out of touch when it comes to things like these. Glad to see your mind is in the right place.
After actually watching the vid,
I gotta say my man i love your raw and authentic perspective on things. Just giving it straight with no sugar coding, great vid my man 🙏🏽
Loved your comments on this video and totally agree. Congrats for saying it how it is =)
Thank you mate, appreciate that :) Hope you're having a good one!
It's easy for me personally, it just means they never get another cent from my wallet. I'll be F2P from here on out.
Totally reasonable mate, hope you enjoy!
Awesome job doing all this research on MLBB and suffering through it. Thanks for giving that extra punch of insight 🙌
MLBB SKIN PRICES:
It seems roughly 55 diamonds per £1 for in-game currency conversion
- Shop Skins: 50 (£1) - 1100 (£20)
- Collecter Skins: 5,000 (£90)
- Collab Skins: 6,500 (£118)
- Time Limited Skins: 7,500 (£136)
- 11.11 Skins?: 11,000 (£200)
- Some exclusive skins can apparently be over $1,000
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MLBB has weekly base skins in lucky spin as well, many other places where you get free skins, a whole lot.
I play MLBB, Most players in mlbb are souteast asia players
also with the skin prices
A collector skin can cost about 5,000 diamonds
A collab skin can cost about 6k-7k diamonds (like hello kitty and transformers)
a time limited skin can cost about 7k-8k diamonds (like ABYSS, HERO)
and a 11.11 skin can cost about 11k diamonds (well actually not too sure but i think it is)
The lowest cost for skin is 50 diamonds actually. The skin could be obtained through seasonal skin purchase but it is limited. It occasionally appear in the shop if there is some event.
It cost around 100-150$ for an exclusive skin. Like collector or/and Epic skin, which including Legendary skin.
Theyre not nerfing actually, they revamped the skin into a better version.
I loves MLBB. I played it a lot and I got around 300++ skin which include also exclusives skin.
Anyway, great vids. Loves your content, youre standing in both side equally instead of just ranting like the other content creator. You made people understand whats what and whats not.
Event skins, collaboration skins and exclusive skins in MLBB can cost between 200 USD to over 1000 USD per skin. I have nearly 300 skins in my MLBB account.
I totally agree with you. WoR is pretty f2p friendly but I’m starting to notice the difference between heavy paid and low spenders and f2p. As time goes on, it’ll be harder for low spenders and f2p to get to overlord in arena for example.
It’s a plain gamble, there are f2p players with an amazing roster, p2w with no luck and so on, as long as this keeps making money, Moonton will do more and more, they maybe start caring less for the f2p and focus and press the low spenders to put more money. It’s all speculation but it won’t surprise me that the game goes to trash at some point.
There won’t be ever a gacha game where the f2p can compete at the same level as a whale or kraken.
there are games like that, i disagree a lot with the notion of gacha games being imposible for f2p, there are many gachas where f2p do as well as paid players...
I think we should try to get the devs to listen and vote with our wallets both can make an impact, we all want a better game not a worse one
@@nicormoreno that’s really true, although I don’t know any good gachas with an excellent balance. The mobile gaming industry is very dark; I like it since you can play almost anywhere but it’s not like pc games where you just pay for a game and enjoy it, where time is the only factor that will asure your success (I know there are paid options in pc but it’s mostly skill and time)
@@AnimaDuctor Dissidia final fantasy opera omnia is one i played a lot, its just 100% fair for f2p and paid players, also octopath traveler continent of the ninth
@@nicormoreno I see, sadly those aren’t available in my country but it’s nice to see good, non predatory mobile games
The business model since original Maplestory launched is only Free to PLAY. There is no promise on 'competing' or 'keeping up', only the offer of being able to log in and eventually complete content even if it takes 10 times longer than even a minnow. Finishing the launch day content after the first anniversary, that kind of thing. The only F2P games that have ever advertised non payers being able to catch up are deceptive cashgrabs. At this point it's more an issue of new player expectation than dev practices.
Hands down for your dedication mate!!!
love how you voice your opinions , thats one of the reason you have a sub in me /
I play MLBB at the highest rank as completely f2p and the skin stats make no noticeable difference when I battle players that have the pay skins vs me when I use base skin. Also at 8:00 was when they did a complete skill revamp on the displayed character they updated the base skin of the character. They constantly do this whenever they revamp skills on underused heroes to freshen things up a bit.
Good take
Also, from the pros for the skin: Zilitu seems jigglier in the new skin
Thanks mate, yeah they definitely boosted that - hilarious that they made sure jiggle physics were a variable they could tweak on skins
love your videos man keep it up :)
I think this game is going to follow "Mobile Legend Adventure", another moonton game. There is going to be exclusive skin and non-exclusive one. The exclusive would require a lot of money but a very unique design skin. The non-exclusive one would be cheap(maybe 10$) but the skin would be dull and cheap-looking. There is also basic skin where u can get for free by doing missions(i think) but the skin is the same just different colour palette.
Acknowledging your own biases is rly smart and it's a breath of fresh air in cc world. Good stuff.
They have another gatcha game, ML Adventure. A lot of skins there too, all with negligible stats. Some are locked behind gatcha and end up quite expensive, but most can be aquired for around 20€. They offer the opportunity to get some for free too.
Unfortunately, most mobile games these days have some sort of gacha/gambling system because, as you said, it brings the most money. No different from a casino. And it will continue this way until the big markets these games prey on will start regulating and taxing them as they do with casinos.
"You deserve what you tolerate" MaBucket 2023💯🦍
Im not bothered by the fact that its exclusive but it was made like it was going to be obtainable for everyone when indeed it wasnt. I was excited but its ok its just a skin it wont change the way i play the game. So power to the 50 players who gets her ❤
Usually what happened in any form of gacha games, once they introduce skin with stats, they end up have to do two things to make the future rewards even worth for leviathans/whales to spend money on. There's only 2 path for it :
1) Add some very cool skin/collab skin with more effects than it's predecessor and make it only available to the ultimate leaderboards.
2) Add skins with more stats and make it more of a must-have item to stay on top and only available in the ultimate leaderboard.
A bunch of games have done the number 2. Locking things behind a huge paywall is one thing but when you create a skin with stats, you open up a possiblity. Rewards for the ultimate leaderboards will have to keep on improving. At some point, visual effects won't be enough to keep people spending. MLBB is purely a Moba game where your gaming skills are way more important than stats but in a strategy rpg gacha, % stats have more value and big enough to make a difference. Most dead games in the play store went with the skin with more stats path, some even put a whole different set of skills for the skin. Most of them end up dead later, with barely anyone playing
Thank you for your thoughts about gatcha games, you are 100% correct in what your saying imo. More people should realize this as well, you don't go into a casino expecting to win (or atleast I hope not.)
You're right, it's a "redesign" and it's not solely decided by moonton, the majority of the player decides which hero gets the "redesign" or as we call it "Hero Revamp".
Sound analysis and arguments from both sides. I agree on this being the last Gatcha game; I think for me after this I'll try Fateless as I have hope HH and Ash will make it F2P friendly and still make money from it. Especially after experiencing both raid and WoR.
Tbh, I feel WoR is the most generous Gatcha on the market atm, getting freebies like Wrath and Marri is massive.
Thx for the video. I don't see skins as a big deal. Maybe people have forgotten this is a gacha game, but pay 2 win should be baked into a person's expectations. And while I don't disagree these games are designed to be casino-like, players don't go into this blind. We know what we sign up for.
I play RSL, going on for over a year now, and their relentless monetization has really pushed me away the past few months to the point where I'm logging in to do the daily quests and stockpiling resources. I am not trying to advance the account and progress through content. Watcher of Realms is not there yet, not even close, nor do I think they will ever get there, but even if they don't, I will eventually tire and move on. So I'd like to echo what MaBucket has said, and say if the skin controversy is really upsetting to a person, they should consider alternatives because its not going to get better, its only going to get worse, and you don't want to be stuck in a game that makes you feel resentful to play.
You speaking my language brother, good job
My point of view: if its negigible and irrelevant why adding them? the simple reason and obvious is: they are testing the ground for future stuff, if we let this one slide its going to get worse, there is no way they added that few stats for no reason.
I can bet anything there will be ways of leveling skins in the future.
The solcadens thing feels pretty unfair as well, if you are a massive whale you get early hero, for everyone else is just unnatainable...
i am extremely sad by this, i love the game a lot, thanks for the videos, hope the community manages to change the direction.
Had to add this edit: thanks a lot for the video it made me feel better, i still think its a good idea to vote with our voices, not just with our wallets, voting in discord and voicing concern is not useless
it's easy to say 0.7% of a stat is no big deal, until someone has a full 8 skin team. Then we are talking a 5-6% advantage. And depending on how THAT scales, it's definitely a meaningful difference.
I came here to say this.
If they paid potentially thousands of dollars then they deserve to win. 🤷♂️
100% agree with your comment where this doesn't seem that bad but if you are bothered by this type of thing, maybe to reconsider playing gacha games as a whole. It is a "dirty industry". When people act surprised about p2w aspects, even the tame ones, I always reply "welcome to the gacha world". This is where I stand because yes, some are worse than others, but even the BEST and most "f2p friendly" HAVE to have some tactics to make extra money, it's just the way it works for this "free to play/download" style.
There are better ways to make money in these games. The Krakens need the FTP as much as the FTP need the Krakens. Heck, they would make a ton of money if they outright offered Legos for sale during their summoning events. I would have 100% have purchased a Hex instead of chasing him in the summons.
@@LancerX916 People would FREAK out if they started charging like $100 legos! from events. It happened in other games I heard the backlash. That's definitely not a solution...
Absolutely, the genre isn't for everyone and it's gone further from how it used to be - we either accept it or move on and either is totally fine. Be interesting to see how this all works out long-term
I believe Fateless is mostly passion, of course they'll want to make money, I guess time will tell!
I am curious to hear how it goes! HH and Ash are great guys from my time speaking with them
Fully agree. Tho I really wish they were just hats. Like how DotA 2 does it. No stats, just new looks.
Also, Gisele is out for about 2 or 3 weeks now, but it was a sneaky add like always
I have to say something ! I am not a subscriber but sometimes I see your videos but your silence means a lot for the viewers and for the community . i think you were one of the first and most professional content creators for watcher of realms and when i was starting to search for you now to write down this comment i had to scroll down at least 30 or more videos passing more than 7 content creators to get your page and before that i was bombarded buy content creator like hades ,cold brew , ash the gai murder ink and a few more and that made me feel that there are taking all the viewers of the old people that were covering this game and they were doing great but well i think you have to do videos to get perks but yes you silence means a lot even if you think we don't know !
This will never stop
I'm not too fussed about it for now. There's got to be something for krakens to splurge on past the end game. I'd rather it be something like this than for them to endlessly add crazy new mechanics every other week that makes the gap between spenders and non spenders even more insurmountable than it already is.
broo why u dont post new videos about wor?;(
Great video!
The game gave us a chance to get zilitu for her skin release with her banner rerun. Only to crush our hopes of owning the first ever skin in the game by making it limited for 50 players only.
NAKAKAPUTANGINA... HAHA
The stats will be added by wearing the skin or having the skin? Because if it is only by wearing the skin, I can make up for it, but if the stats adds up by only have it... it doesn't look good :/. More skins of the same hero might really boost unfairly spenders.
by wearing it.
That's a very nice perspective. I'm f2p and totally fine with it. Some companies have done worse. I think they need to do these kinds of things every now and then to make whales happy since they are the main source of their income and it's not totally ruining everyone's gaming experience. People just love to complain on every little things if they didn't go their way without even understanding the reasoning behind it.
The change to that MLBB skin is basically LoL style skin updates. Some players really hate the cleaner and more streamlined look to the point that they would pay to have the classic look restored.
If you want a more old school style of random hero collector you may want to try the original Summoners War. Still the only game out there where many day 1 units are evergreen and all new content becomes permanent outside of gameplay updates and collabs.
Very good perspective. I have no problems with these games making a healthy profit. I'm just hoping that they reinvest those profits aggressively to give us an amazing game!
I agree, and I'm concerned that it will be similar to their other game MLA.
Its not only Gacha games, that are using these formula's. The entire gaming industry, has been changed in the last 10 years or so, from providing entertainment to extracting as much money from the player as they can. I dont mind spending money on a game,but it gets to the point where you are spending, just to keep up.
I played MLA and Moontoon is known for giving stats on skins. Its no surprise to me tbh and the stat increase is marginal for me. I dont mind it and so far they only scaled with base stats
You mentioned not knowing if stats on skins were high for MLBB- I can confirm that the stats are more valuable in early game. For example. Take a carry hero- Miya. she starts at 100 attack. +8 attack is an 8% increase. Thats 8% better auto attack damage, and skills with various scaling. Granted at level 15 she has 296 attack, so it falls off, to about 2.7% but the early game (and arguably the most important part as it sets precedent for the late game) is largely affected. The skin bonuses also stack. Meaning if you have multiple skins for the same character, that bonus is additive. 8+8+8, it adds up.
The better comparison would have been to MLA (mobile legends adventure) as its a team building gacha game. There the stats are wildly different for skins, unfortunately, after 20 minutes of research, its hard to say what they are. But when I played I remember them being a bit more substantial, and again, they stack there as well.
The point im trying to make is, undo the precedent. Make angy noises. Get upset that they're doing this. I get that this will be your last game, but like, die on that hill. make an uproar. If it still goes through then you know they dont care about us and are only about the $$$. But complacency with it and just accepting it isnt good.
nahhh it's pretty much non existent. mlbb is a moba game where balancing is much more important than wor and they allow skins in competitive patform and some pro players also not use some skins and it won't make a change since the added stats is pretty much non existing.
@OnyxDragonica sorry but I disagree. the stats are minimal. they have a little bit of impact at level 1 but everyone usually has a skin so it doesn't end up making a difference. the skins also do not stack.
@@shockway1 I apologize. I got my info from a combination of the wiki and from the reddit itself, didnt bother to check myself because I dislike mobile games anyways
if they want to start to be more P2W they should made the reward for Arena and Guild Wars much less significant, the ancient summoning crystal should be given to platinum rank also
Hope you make MLBB gameplay soon :D
They have to and will, monetize the game.. I am verry happy if they do it this way! This is the most friendly way to monetize it.
I like your video. Your message is good. To be clear though it has gambling mechanics, it's defiantly not gambling. Gambling you think your going to make money with money. Anyone with a brain should know, ANY MONEY YOU PUT IN ANY VIDEO GAME IS A WATSE OF MONEY. With that said I have extra money I can put into it. I have more extra money than I do extra time. I don't have time to master a MOBA or WOW, or something like that. So I play a game like WOR that i can enjoy frequent updates and spend money for fun. Hate to break it to everyone out there who doesn't know but all video games are a waste of time and money. The exception being the social enjoyments, relaxation and you get out of them either from spending or from time put in. But don't spend money you don't have and done waste all your time into a video game. Your time is money. UA-cam pays for your and my time. So to be clear be smart with your time and money. But all these youtubers almost seem negative recently. Don't play or support things you don't like. I take it for what it is. A video game. Which in the right amounts can be fun but needs to be taken for what it is..
So my thing, is was this actually tested on forerunner or the test server? Cause all I see is a photo saying its .7%. Has anyone actually datamined or tested it to make sure its .7% of base stats. What if the coder messed up and put .07 as the multiplier? Thats 7%, which is a decent stat boost. I get that 99% of people won't go up against these players now, but what about in 2-3+ years? I dont mind giving the skin out to the top 50 spenders, good for them, there's just no reason for stats to be involved. It sets a bad precedent for them to keep on doing it, and maybe in the future, it redefines a meta.
I have 80 skins in MLBB. I've used money for only one time (Wanwan's Starlight skin), the rest are free because Moonton gives free skins and free tokens for events.
I wish u the best
Thank you mate, very kind of you - wishing you the best also!
Making cosmetics with stats is real dick move if you ask me. I'm thinking of quitting if it continues like this.
Not only this, only whales will get it its so sad
the stats is so insignificant though.
@@Hekimalounge For now, but then in arena small differences matter 0.7% dmg increase can make a difference in a tight situation just like it can make a difference in guild boss when you're missing those 5-7points for top chest.
@@JohnnyJetpackif they are going to make a free zilitu skin, im very much sure it will be the same stats, so not too worry, it will be just a long time.
I'm not keen on it, but I do believe it will stay as a tiny boost - but idk why they have it at all in this case
I don't mind they adding skins in the game but it gets bad when the skins have states boost, this means that they're creating a gap between P2W (keep winning) and F2P (keep losing)
mlbb does give a lot of free skins specially in events.
I think that your but the thing I don't like is that the states are in green if you look at artifacts it looks like there upgradable I bet that's the case I hope it's not but who knows
I'm nowhere near a whale ... But I think it's totally fair for the whales to be "thanked" with an exclusive skin that I will not be able to attain
I am a very low spender$20/month and I hate that the Krakens can get stuff that I can get. I will face these Krakens in Arena because I am a good player and will get to the top of arena but this kind of thing ensures I cant compete against the Krakens. You say its a very small boost so its not a big deal but this is only 1 thing that Krakens will get that I cant and there will be alot more of this type added to the game. Skins should be sold just to be able to customize your heros and not buff them.
MLBB is still my favorite mobile game of all time, I also play RAID
moontoon being the developers is what gravitated towards WoR
I trust moontoon, at the very least they listen to feedback, nothing will get out of hand
I liked this game bcuz i could "choose" to spend $$ if i wanted to speed things up. But I didnt need to do that to progress. Adding things like these takes the "choice" away...
I feel exactly how you do this will be my last gacha game.
Game was fun while it lasted. I’m refunding GG
Wish you happiness and luck with whatever you do next mate :)
As someone who's been playing Mobile Legends for years, the skins don't actually do sh*t. It's just there purely for aesthetics. Hopefully, they do follow the same formula here. I enjoy Watcher of Realms and I do spend money on it for the privileged cards (I got two accounts). However, I will quit if the money grabbing gets worse. I will stay with it for a while to see where it will go. It's not my main game anyway, so whatever.
I'm not surprised by all of this development, to be honest. I know how money-hungry Moonton can be and...as you said, I signed up for it. Hopefully they focus more on gameplay and more instances rather than this...money-making schemes. More void rift, more in-game community events, more puzzles.
Nerfing a character just to sell skins? You mean like nerfing the drop rate of eona so they can sell her for 5 bucks?😂😂😂
Whale to win. Whipee. I have only played one game that did gacha right. Arknights. As much as this game please me it sucks to see it gets worse and worse. It also seems to get more and more preying on player.
Good to hear that some games stay the course, it feels increasingly common across games in general
I'm fine with games adding monetization schemes thru skins. However, I am not fine with it having stats. Regardless of how low the additional stats is (0.7% atk), it's still something. I hate it to bits. It's disgusting. The same reason why I don't play MLBB cause skins got stats. Which is so dumb for a MOBA game.
i knew someone will mention mlbb sooner or later, We can expect Skins having very low stats, low enough to be insignificant, so everyone should not worry, even in mlbb, the very rare and good skins have even the same stat as every skin, skins should be only a cosmetic, if there are stats, it should be low enough for people not to care about it.
Nope....I came from Bloodline.
I'm not fully going into it, but Bloodline started this way and after 20+ p2w skins it's over +15% hp +15% attk account wide.
Who's to say they don't bump up stats in the future. Especially when the krakens, who have access to devs, start complaining for more stats to devs because of how much they spend.
Your being short sighted. Today it isn't a problem, tomorrow is a different story.
It's the principle.
@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III
It started as a 1%
Now you can have 45% hp 15% attack and 24% district income. I went back today to see how it progressed.
No wonder they went from 8k servers to 300.
@pink_jezus thank you, I've been gone a minute so I shot low...
@tyrannosaurus_stfutheiii5088 I've been gone 8-10 months. Somehow I'm still top 30 on my old server...
Yeah them being super low is good, but it feels like an unnecessary loss to add the stats - it's just an easy way to upset people when they don't even offer anything anyway
It smack of a money grab like RAID does
Lmao the opinion of this skin is not split at all some mfs already uninstalled the game 😂 they didn't even bother they just gonna come back to raid/sw. Good knowing y'all
obv they need more yachts. such a shame i had such high hopes for this game, but its turning into every other gatcha that came before it without any evolution. there is a reason people jump to new gatchas its because the developers dont bother with content, and focus on skins/cosmetics/pay for power, im wondering if its possible to request a refund from apple based on the direction change of the game?
ugh... wish they take epic7 or arknight approach on buying the skins now it just similar with nikke kind of gacha but worst to get top 50 in leaderboard
Well hopefully when fateless puts out their 1st game you will cover it. I have high hopes they will produce something actually worth playing long term.
Ive been playing mlbb for almost 6 years now so this is basically not new for me. Moneytoon indeed
As long as the stats stay low, who cares?
99.99999% of players won't be seeing this skin unless it's getting sold next year or at another point.
Let the whales waste their money on this event to support the game so we get cool new stuff in the future, /shrug
Makes me sad that the first skin the game gets in introduced this way.
Skins being exclusive to mega whales is nuts to me
Pretty disappointing that this skin is so limited.
I hate that skins have stats,its dumb especially when only the top 50 Krakens in the game will get this advantage. so the distance between the f2p/low spenders is gonna be wider. This is a bad decision to allow stats on skins.
Not a good feeling on this event all around - All whale targeted with no bones thrown to the rest.
1. Skin stats are negligible but it sets a precedence
2. Skin is for whales only
3. Champion reward is whales only
4. Tons of champions on Forerunner server but releasing a BRAND new one and an only recently released on Forerunner champ? Ruins planning and is likely greed targeted.
Skins with stats could be ok if it's a part of the system just like artifacts, gear, promotions, etc...but this is not.
Thumbs down Watchers - as I watch your vid while typing this I see we agree to a reasonable point, including the Gacha Game being a casino game. We set ourselves up to be robbed blind. I said RAID was my last but here I am with some false hope Watcher will be different.
Great a pay to win event. Events like these really make the game less fun.
deleting game. sad i just started. WOR starting to have Raid syndrom so i just return Raid. if 2 of them same p2w garbage i go play Raid it simply better
This isnt great nor fair...
Skins with stats is the worst thing in games, rly…
Thats why nobody plays mobile legends anymore.( wild rift from wish).
LMAO rant over Moonton?
1st time gaming with Moonton?
It's not really a rant, but you do you 👍
@@MaBucket ur DC comm bruv
P2W
u kept on rambling ....... so what was the conclusion?
You don’t get it? Potentially Move da f on. That’s the conclusion
@Despair-X but I am still missing harz, and toredor...... and 7 other heros, how can I move on knowing I didn't CATCH THEM ALL.......
F2p all the way