Nice concept, you will need to be purchased by one of the Big RV manufacturers to make it work in any volume. Price point needs to be $59k and under. Also most will want more of the new but traditional interior and comfort with slide outs.
Their niche here should be designing one a bit bigger as an Trailer/ADU. In New York, you can receive up to $125k for putting an ADU on your property. The qualifications are it must have all living provisions, kitchen-bedroom-bathroom-shower, and have 200sqft. This current Pebble is about 150sqft.
I was thinking if the vehicle towing is electric, then the RV doesn't need a motor (save a few thousand dollars and a few pounds). The RV only needs a battery to help charge the towing truck. The truck will still need to handle the hitch weight even if the RV is self-powered. I'm also waiting for a fully electric Class-A RV or a fully electric HD dually truck with a 400kWh battery that can tow a 5th wheel.
I think the problem is that, without a motor, you'd need some mechanism to be able to transfer the energy over to the battery of the towing truck in order to use it. The only way to do that that's compatible with existing trucks would be to put a full-blown DC fast charger inside of the trailer and use the charge port. Which would cost much more than a motor would, plus force the truck to stop for an hour to be able to receive power from the trailer. The motor approach also offers the advantage of allowing the trailer to save fuel when towed by a gas powered truck, rather than requiring the towing truck be electric in order to be able to take advantage of the battery in the trailer. Having a motor in the trailer also allows for regen.
@@dr.x4050 I have a feeling that for safety reasons, EVs cannot generally charge while driving. I could see this leading to overheating issues especially.
What's with so many different people doing "Out of Spec" videos? Are they part of the same company? Or is everyone just using the "Out of Spec" verbiage?
Happy for the efforts, but it is a complete miss. I've been driving EVs for the last decade and trying to put together an EV travel trailer solution since 2018. While the idea of the Pebble Flow and Lightship have merit the designs are not good and the range specs are widely optimistic. The floor plans look great in a brochure and likely feel great on a walk through. The all window layouts could work great in a brochure campsite photo set with 360 degree scenery, no other nearby campsites, and a situation where you don't need clothes or food. Most camping is done in campgrounds with close proximity to others and you need to take clothes and food. It's nice to have windows on your camp side (passenger side), but any windows on the driver's side look directly at your neighbor who is likely 10 to 20 feet away. To be practical the driver side window banks would need to be replaced by closets, pantries, ect... The range projection also seems wildly optimistic. I doubt a 5,000 lb trailer with that much wind resistance would have 200 miles of range with a 45 kwh battery pack. At highway speeds I'll bet we see real world tests producing about 80 miles of range. I know it's introductory pricing, but it's no where near the actual rv trailer market for affordability or usability. I believe a better (and more affordable) design to use with an EV tow vehicle would be to leave out the battery and strictly focus on aerodynamics and weight by using hard sided pop up and slide outs that start with a low profile shell for travel and expand into usable space upon arrival.
These are just much too expensive for the majority of the camping community. The Batteries in Trucks and SUV's are going to get better and better in the near future which will render these obsolete. Most camping trips are within 200 miles round trip and so already the Chevy Silverado EV can pull any Travel Trailer on your normal camping trip without worrying about having to charge.
@@darinbrazil5496 The target market here is clearly not the camping community at large. It is clearly the same market with other $100k campers with fancy designer woodworking, etc. Rich people have thier own "camping" niches.
@@kennyb123 78% of all vacation road trips are between 50 and 250 miles one way, so yes most/many RV trips are 100 miles one way. You can fight with statistics all you want I am just dealing in reality here.
@@patreekotime4578 $100K campers, I think you mean 200K campers. Neither of these can be had for under $175K if you want the motorized versions and thats the only differentiator to regular Travel Trailers.
@@darinbrazil5496 Either way its 50 times what I would spend on a vehicle and exists in a world completely outside of normalcy, a world where people spend over $1 million on houses that are not really all that just so they can live in a certain place. A world where people drop over $100 on a truck with disappointing stats just to virtue signal to the neighbors. There is a market for this. Not a huge one. But it exists.
No they're not. Seriously who is going to pay for these things, and why? 500 mile EV trucks are here with the Silverado, there's zero need for an EV camper. Charging one EV is trouble enough, who wants to have to charge two vehicles simultaneously on a trip? Not to mention is it has the decor of an insurance company.
If you imagine the use case where you own the truck, but rent the trailer just for trips, it starts to make a lot of sense. By transferring battery capacity from the truck you own to the trailer you rent, it means a lot of the battery capacity you're only paying for when you actually need it.
Take your head out of the sand! They would work being towed by an electric pickup or a ice pickup! The tow vehicle keeps what efficiency it has and the trailer has it's own efficiency!
To your points: 1. As an ev owner, yes, I would charge my trailer and my EV towing the trailer if it means not stopping every 100 miles. The regenerative breaking on the RV means you would not have to stop for at least 200 miles between charges. The size of the pack would indicate a shorter charge time than the car/truck towing it. 2. The cost of the equipment and technology will scale down over time if enough people invest in it. Early adopters are willing to spend 2 to 3 times its actual value for the privilege of being able to have something unique. Look at 2+ million dollar cars. The companies that make those sell out of stock regularly. 3. The general public 90%+ of us will never afford this, but it will pave the way for others to make retrofit kits for existing trailers. Bolt on kits for large trailers for commercial use at first, then upgrade options for RVs and toy haulers. The benefits will be noticed, and more companies will join in. In 5 to 10 years you will have the option to add this technology to any large trailer for a few thousand dollars, saving fuel and wear and tear on any truck hauling heavy loads, less risk of jack knifing or trailer sway on windy or twisty roads. And if a few rich guys/girls want to spend too much on the latest technology. . . It's America. They have that right. I am with you. I hate spending more than a couple thousand dollars on a car, much less a weekend toy. But if in ten years this tech will save thousands of people thousands of dollars in fuel and be a safer product, why not let the rich have thier toys lol
Price aside, the one thing RV'ers always want is more off-grid power. You should see to what lengths people will go to to parallel as many 300ah batteries as they can physically fit.
Nice concept, you will need to be purchased by one of the Big RV manufacturers to make it work in any volume. Price point needs to be $59k and under. Also most will want more of the new but traditional interior and comfort with slide outs.
I'm still waiting for electric campervan. Been many years now, since the ID Buzz concept was revealed in 2017.
There are electric camper vans available today.
Their niche here should be designing one a bit bigger as an Trailer/ADU. In New York, you can receive up to $125k for putting an ADU on your property. The qualifications are it must have all living provisions, kitchen-bedroom-bathroom-shower, and have 200sqft. This current Pebble is about 150sqft.
Eh, neat. ...but I'm waiting for a fully electric Class-B RV with NACS. Please take my money.
I was thinking if the vehicle towing is electric, then the RV doesn't need a motor (save a few thousand dollars and a few pounds). The RV only needs a battery to help charge the towing truck. The truck will still need to handle the hitch weight even if the RV is self-powered. I'm also waiting for a fully electric Class-A RV or a fully electric HD dually truck with a 400kWh battery that can tow a 5th wheel.
I think the problem is that, without a motor, you'd need some mechanism to be able to transfer the energy over to the battery of the towing truck in order to use it. The only way to do that that's compatible with existing trucks would be to put a full-blown DC fast charger inside of the trailer and use the charge port. Which would cost much more than a motor would, plus force the truck to stop for an hour to be able to receive power from the trailer. The motor approach also offers the advantage of allowing the trailer to save fuel when towed by a gas powered truck, rather than requiring the towing truck be electric in order to be able to take advantage of the battery in the trailer. Having a motor in the trailer also allows for regen.
@@dr.x4050 I have a feeling that for safety reasons, EVs cannot generally charge while driving. I could see this leading to overheating issues especially.
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What's with so many different people doing "Out of Spec" videos? Are they part of the same company? Or is everyone just using the "Out of Spec" verbiage?
Happy for the efforts, but it is a complete miss. I've been driving EVs for the last decade and trying to put together an EV travel trailer solution since 2018. While the idea of the Pebble Flow and Lightship have merit the designs are not good and the range specs are widely optimistic. The floor plans look great in a brochure and likely feel great on a walk through. The all window layouts could work great in a brochure campsite photo set with 360 degree scenery, no other nearby campsites, and a situation where you don't need clothes or food. Most camping is done in campgrounds with close proximity to others and you need to take clothes and food. It's nice to have windows on your camp side (passenger side), but any windows on the driver's side look directly at your neighbor who is likely 10 to 20 feet away. To be practical the driver side window banks would need to be replaced by closets, pantries, ect... The range projection also seems wildly optimistic. I doubt a 5,000 lb trailer with that much wind resistance would have 200 miles of range with a 45 kwh battery pack. At highway speeds I'll bet we see real world tests producing about 80 miles of range. I know it's introductory pricing, but it's no where near the actual rv trailer market for affordability or usability. I believe a better (and more affordable) design to use with an EV tow vehicle would be to leave out the battery and strictly focus on aerodynamics and weight by using hard sided pop up and slide outs that start with a low profile shell for travel and expand into usable space upon arrival.
These are just much too expensive for the majority of the camping community. The Batteries in Trucks and SUV's are going to get better and better in the near future which will render these obsolete. Most camping trips are within 200 miles round trip and so already the Chevy Silverado EV can pull any Travel Trailer on your normal camping trip without worrying about having to charge.
Most camping trips are 100 miles away? Only if you don't like exploring.
@@darinbrazil5496 The target market here is clearly not the camping community at large. It is clearly the same market with other $100k campers with fancy designer woodworking, etc. Rich people have thier own "camping" niches.
@@kennyb123 78% of all vacation road trips are between 50 and 250 miles one way, so yes most/many RV trips are 100 miles one way. You can fight with statistics all you want I am just dealing in reality here.
@@patreekotime4578 $100K campers, I think you mean 200K campers. Neither of these can be had for under $175K if you want the motorized versions and thats the only differentiator to regular Travel Trailers.
@@darinbrazil5496 Either way its 50 times what I would spend on a vehicle and exists in a world completely outside of normalcy, a world where people spend over $1 million on houses that are not really all that just so they can live in a certain place. A world where people drop over $100 on a truck with disappointing stats just to virtue signal to the neighbors. There is a market for this. Not a huge one. But it exists.
GMC Denali ev and the ev trailer is less expensive then all luxury motor homes and most luxury rv trailers with a ice pickup.
No they're not. Seriously who is going to pay for these things, and why? 500 mile EV trucks are here with the Silverado, there's zero need for an EV camper. Charging one EV is trouble enough, who wants to have to charge two vehicles simultaneously on a trip? Not to mention is it has the decor of an insurance company.
I say that every time I see the sticker price on RVs in general. People keep buying them tho.
If you imagine the use case where you own the truck, but rent the trailer just for trips, it starts to make a lot of sense. By transferring battery capacity from the truck you own to the trailer you rent, it means a lot of the battery capacity you're only paying for when you actually need it.
Take your head out of the sand! They would work being towed by an electric pickup or a ice pickup! The tow vehicle keeps what efficiency it has and the trailer has it's own efficiency!
To your points:
1. As an ev owner, yes, I would charge my trailer and my EV towing the trailer if it means not stopping every 100 miles. The regenerative breaking on the RV means you would not have to stop for at least 200 miles between charges. The size of the pack would indicate a shorter charge time than the car/truck towing it.
2. The cost of the equipment and technology will scale down over time if enough people invest in it. Early adopters are willing to spend 2 to 3 times its actual value for the privilege of being able to have something unique. Look at 2+ million dollar cars. The companies that make those sell out of stock regularly.
3. The general public 90%+ of us will never afford this, but it will pave the way for others to make retrofit kits for existing trailers. Bolt on kits for large trailers for commercial use at first, then upgrade options for RVs and toy haulers. The benefits will be noticed, and more companies will join in. In 5 to 10 years you will have the option to add this technology to any large trailer for a few thousand dollars, saving fuel and wear and tear on any truck hauling heavy loads, less risk of jack knifing or trailer sway on windy or twisty roads.
And if a few rich guys/girls want to spend too much on the latest technology. . . It's America. They have that right. I am with you. I hate spending more than a couple thousand dollars on a car, much less a weekend toy. But if in ten years this tech will save thousands of people thousands of dollars in fuel and be a safer product, why not let the rich have thier toys lol
Price aside, the one thing RV'ers always want is more off-grid power. You should see to what lengths people will go to to parallel as many 300ah batteries as they can physically fit.
I'm still waiting for a electric campervan. Been many years now, since the ID Buzz concept was revealed in 2017.
The Id buzz is here, and you can use it as a camper.