They're ruining in tcgs in general. The point of tcgs isn't supposed to be to make money. It was nice to have cards that had value to trade or sell for cards you need or to recoup some costs but flippers buy everything so people have to overpay for anything. Then if product flow catches up they dump and crash the market
correction: Ravensburger's inability to communicate, print and distribute has created a market for resellers to destroy the launch. Communicating, printing and distributing has mostly solved the issue for Pokémon TCG and MTG (sans purposefully limited prints).
I bought a box of packs to keep for 20 years or so, nothing wrong with it. I pre ordered ages ago and paid in full then, they could see the demand months out and could have adjusted for the preorder but obviously wanted to sell out to drive demand. People can invest in whatever they want, I'm not scalping by investing in something.
@@iantyers2086 Not sure why you take issue with the OP or even commented. Investing or holding product longterm has nothing to do with being a price gouger at launch. OP is obviously referring to people who are buying product just to quickly (at "launch") sell it at a much higher price... the definition for the term used.
The only difference is that One Piece is literally a 23 year old franchise that most likely does not have the same market size as Disney. Lorcana is a game with a much wider appeal due to being based on the IP of the largest animated studios in the world.
Lorcana is far more similar to Pokemon 151 than it is One piece. Or at the bare minimum how many cars they need for Japanese pokemon. I with they would tell us how much they printed so we would know what the demand really looks like. Was it 300k boxes or 20k booster boxes?
The one thing people miss is that scalping is a demand response. As much as people complain about inflated prices, people buy at those prices. If the community would wait out scalpers they would stay away.
Sadly people today are a bit too dumb to understand that. "Lorcana is popular, I must BUY NOW. Oh no the only person that sells it has booster boxes for 500$ - I MUST BUY BECAUSE IT IS POPULAR". It makes me very, very sad
@@davidgould8641 it’s ideal but it isn’t as unobtainable as people think especially at a local level. When people were scalping Pokémon players and our LGS didn’t buy singles from people and forced them onto online platforms. Our scalpers overbought thinking it would’ve been quick sales and instead they were left holding the bag. It didn’t solve the problem but it pushed out everyone who didn’t have a large stockpile of cash which opened up the market for local players to get sealed product.
@@mikehoncho3695 The solution is still to wait until you find something that IS at msrp - if nobody buys above the market price, nobody will sell above it either
I am hoping that Lorcana goes on long enough for it to get some cards based on Kingdom Hearts. If they need a big revenue boost all they'd need to do is release a set devoted to it. I feel confident that it would be easy guaranteed money for them.
I'm seeing lots of pictures on Lorcana Facebook groups where people just clean out stores entirely. You'd think retailers would be limiting to like 2 items a purchase, but nope.
This happened before with other stuff (such as nes mini) if you buy the max amount then walk out the store, once you go back inside you are considered a new customer and legally have to sell it to you
All valid points Wossy. The problem is One piece and Disney are not even close to comparable. Disney is absolutely massive in North America. Everyone knew the launch would be massive except Ravensburg apparently. What scares me is it kinda sounds like ravensburg only just approved the reprint. Why is it gunna take till Q1 2024 to reprint. We still have 4 months of 2023 and if the reprint comes late Q1 that means they took 6 months to do it, aaand if they had plans to reprint then its more than 6 months for a late Q1 2024 reprint. I dont know how long it takes to reprint but I know 6 months is a long time. They definitely should have known better. Also, what happens when the Q1 reprint is instantly sold out too(Which it likely will). Are we gunna have to wait another 6+ months. Thats how You kill a game, and I mean the actual card game itself. We have $40+ non-holos for crying out loud. Thats ridiculous, not to kention no word on offical ruling(but I wont get into that)
I was just at Wal-Mart an hour ago and the booster boxes were sitting there empty. Luckily they still had starter decks and the starters still contained 1 booster pack each.
@dougcerulli8826 I didn't listen to him and got lucky on Sept 1st. My LGS had a midnight release two weeks prior. Honest prices. I have a great relationship with my LGS. It's comics and games. Was able to get a booster box, mat, and 2 starter packs. It was a year of asking on updates.
Considering that Disney is losing money on everything right now it would be silly to think they won’t reprint the one thing that they currently have that’s successful
@@fkjfkrmrk disneys stock is at a 9 year low, the theme park attendance is down 23%, not a single movie they’ve released in the last year has made a profit (which is a first for Disney) and they’ve never made a profit on Disney plus. Everything they produce is losing money right now, you need to follow your own advice.
I think it's wonderful as it is a "Children's card game 😂" And I love it. I'm rewatching all the Disney classics because just seeing the cards reminded me of my childhood. And I've been teaching the younger generation to play Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG, but there's nothing like starting from 0 alongside everyone. Heck even the older folks in the family have been asking how to play and want to try it out. It's a game that literally speaks to all ages and I love it for that. And like you said, it's cool to have a collection, but I prefer the experience of cracking a booster box with my family and enjoy the game
@@EspritFidget My thoughts exactly xD. That's why we use the quotation marks. It's a running joke in the Yu-Gi-Oh community. Every product is very expensive and you need multiple copies to not get your butt kicked in 1 turn
You must be being sarcastic. This product wasn't available too pretty much anybody.. No kids were able to go in the store and go "oh look at that princess Disney game let's get a pack mom " that totally didn't happen because scalpers were everywhere.
😅 for someone who is/was in business; you are pretty ignorant of the fact that over time; set 1 will disappear, same with set 2, etc. Every TCG that has ever hit market eventually quits production of previous sets. Yes, it may be printed for up to 2 years; but mark this post. 2 years from now, or even 1 1/2 half, you will not longer find this set in stores, period. Prices will drop significantly when it is printed enough, but once production ends, cards (especially the Enchanteds) will skyrocket. EDIT: 1 thing to consider, which I do agree. Reprinting is healthy for the game and to get more players involved and invested; however, like any other TCGs; there will always be more starters, sets, etc. Perhaps even one where reprints occur in white border. That would ensure the previous cards are considered more valuable for collectors, which is something Ravensburger wants as well. They will not reprint this set into he** as it were because it would go against that and turn those people away as well. It has to be a healthy balance. Something I don't know if you understand Mr. Business...
Myself and a bunch of my friends are all Disney collectors and that’s what drawer us to start playing Lorcana with our kids we love the game but would love to be able to collect the ones we love and save some of them for our kids especially for the type of money we are spending to buy Lorcana would like for it to be worth something in the long term to help justify spending that much $$$ and if anyone knows anything about Disney products the Disney lovers collectible things so I think they will be making a huge mistake if they don’t mark the reprints with a special marking and if they put rare cards in the future series they will keep the Disney collectors hooked for years and they will play it with their kids it’s no different then them marking the D23 cards differently or the ones that was marked gencon that they handed out at the gencon
I went to two Walmarts, a Target, BestBuy, Barnes and Noble, Hot Topic, GameStop this morning at all store openings and the only store that had product- Barnes and Noble. And it was only a small handful of packs. Extremely frustrating.
TLDR: Wossy is covering hard for Ravensburger's mismanagement for some reason. Although the confirmation is good and most of us expected it, it is very revealing how badly Ravensburger has managed Lorcana so far. Most of us expect Lorcana to have a lot of supply - eventually - fully depending on Ravensburger's management/mismanagement. We expected a ton of supply to meet a lot of demand when the game was announced and D23 promos were handed out... everyone in the TCG/CCG world knew there would be a ton of demand, except Wossy and Ravensburger I guess. Their communication, initial printing and distribution has been a joke, and they knew it. Wossy is definitely giving Ravensburger a huge pass on their issues. Yes, we don't know the deal between them and Disney, but I highly doubt it was "don't print & sell too much". Ravensburger's poor communication, lack of information on their website, and lack of official rulings really makes most of us believe that printing & distribution is their shortcoming, similar to the many other issues. Ravensburger let everyone get crazy before announcing something they should have already known and had planned and ready for public release... another print run or two. The poor communication is right up there with official rulings only being on Lorcana Twitter/X. Demand was very strong ever since Disney Expo, and it is Disney... if you knew you would short print 1st, why not announce that you will have a 2nd print? Stores had their allocations cut by 90%+, how could Ravensburger not know there was demand when they can't even meet LGS orders that have been there for 6+ months??? It is just too logical from a business finance person like Wossy and I, so I don't know why Wossy is playing dumb. I feel bad for Ravensburger as they are just in way over their heads and haven't shown any ability to do better. It is totally fair to call out a company that just doesn't have the knowledge or intellect to figure things out. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying that they were just not allowed to print very much by their printing partners... much of their poor communication is the source of confusion around Lorcana - availability, print run, distribution, rules, organized play, etc.
Ravensburger would be stupid NOT to reprint the first few sets when the hype is big. Usually the hype ends after Set 4 and only players who like the game stay and demand is sinking
One thing the current market has me doing is selling whatever cards I do end up getting my hands on. With $20-40 non-foil legendary cards showing up fairly often, I'm selling competitive cards more than buying. I love to compete and I love to win, but as a Pokemon deck builder, I'm not a fan of how expensive singles are right now. I'll stick to starter decks with a few upgrades until we get into a more normal market this fall.
The thing with these launch day/window shortages is is for me personally it tests my resolve to want to get into the game at all. I thought One Piece looked cool, but was unavailable and cards were too expensive. I decided to just skip it and keep looking. Then Lorcana came around and I thought it would be a good fit. Now after launch window I'm thinking of just not getting into it because we have SWU coming up. I have some faith in FFG and an edge since I live where they are based. I just want to be able to get some starter decks and maybe a few packs, not looking to clear out the county. Oddly enough though, I did just buy the ST8 and 9 starters for One Piece, so you never know I guess.
I generally agree with you on these points when card games launch but I feel that this one is a bit different. There was a less than 1% chance that this game did not have massive sales at release. And that was obvious just from the hype around the game. They could’ve easily printed more and sold it all. Now we are at a point where you have super frustrated players because they can’t find any product at retail and singles are super expensive. Frustrate a game stores because they barely got any product. And a launch weekend that has been full of people arguing and being disappointed, instead of enjoying the game
Agreed, Wossy was a Finance teacher, but I am not sure why he is missing the main points. One Piece is not Disney... not even close. Conservatively, Disney is the #2 brand behind Pokémon and he is trying to tell us that Ravensburger was blind to Pokémon TCG market and what happened during the pandemic? It just seems off for him. I think he is just trying to be a devil's advocate and say something totally off from what most people have witnessed.
They were taking money for preorders, they knew exactly how much demand there was and they didn't print anywhere close to enough. They could have pushed back Second Chapter and just kept printing First, that would have fixed literally all their problems. Now they are just going to get worse.
That's always the case for most new tcg. Hype overhypes hype. I honestly am ready for the majority to quit lorcana so we can have a competitive small crowd like OP and BSS.
I bet the actual amount printed between Lorcana and One Piece is dramatic and the actual demand much higher for Lorcana. I disagree that Lorcana didn't know what the demand was going to be. They couldn't print enough because they don't have enough printing capacity to match demand and there is no way they are going to. And doing so right off the bat is the only way to not have a price discrepancy between retail and secondary market prices. Now they are going to print Second Chapter in November and the First Chapter reprint in January, but they have to already be printing Third Chapter to Release in February. And so now Second Chapter is going to be even worse and harder to find than First Chapter, fueling the speculators. There is no way the reprint is going to be enough still. They could have just kept printing the First Chapter until demand was met even wave by wave and then printed Second Chapter, but because they didn't do that this is guaranteed to continue to be a problem all the way through. First editions aren't going to get rid of speculators at all. First Chapter will always be the one in demand and Second Chapter is probably the best investment because it will be less produced because they are going to be trying to fix the lack of First Chapter printing. Maybe you're prediction about the future comes true, I'm much more convinced that my own view is correct. We'll see who's right.
Ravenburgers should reprint Lorcana two more times to make these scalpers lose money..LOL .I don't have a problem with people buying several boxes,but I have a problem with people cleaning shelves to quick flip.
How are people who quick flipped the product right away going to lose money to a reprint that happens months from now? They're already out and have their money.
Comparing One Piece to Lorcana is not a super great comparison. My local store cannot get enough people to play One Piece, Loracana is bought as soon as its received and limited per person.
It seems like almost the opposite with my local game store. One Piece sold out instantly when it first released, but Lorcana stayed in stock for a good while. They are even running a draft this weekend for Lorcana.
So, NO more cards are going to be restocked until October? WTF!! They need to admit they F* up and ship out more cards immediately. My local Walmart only got 5 boxes of cards. They were gone within 1 hour. That is unacceptable. (Walmart should have limited purchases to 2 to control stock some) Same with other stores.
And October is the optimistic version. Because October is when the LGS are getting the reprints - you know the ones that made the product unavailable for the 2 weeks before the launch date. The actual restock to retailers is scheduled 4 to 6 months from now
"did anyone acually think that this is the end of first chapter"?.... Yes .. yes I did. If you know disney you would then know they are all about being masters of Supply and Demand on Merch. MASTERS.
That was a stupid assumption. They want it to succeed and it couldn't possibly succeed if their target audience never got any of the products because it was so short printed and flippers cleared out all of the stores.
I mean, if Disney wants this game to have a chance of making it past 2 years, they better make it cheap to get enough people interested in such a game, because at this point, if it can't get enough people to play this game competitively, it's gonna go the way of other failed tcg's as you can't have a thriving tcg without a competitive scene and more importantly, major competitions.
@@OggiOggiOggi can you learn how to spell pathetic properly,I don't know what a phatetic,got my 2 booster boxes right out the mj holdings box at Walmart 👌
If they print is exactly the same, then they effectively are still first edition. It shouldn't really matter when you buy the cards. If you only got into collecting for the money value then you are hurting market.
@HardcoreLARPer while you are right the other guy has a point. If he lives near where I do. A box still retails above 144. But it's because of the vendors agreeing on a price.
yep. Romance Dawn is pretty much the only set that still hasn't come down in price yet. maybe it's a U.S. thing and I need to import from another Country
How could speculators ruin the game? Reprinting allows everyone to play the game even if you mark the reprinting as it is... A TGC doesn't survive only with players... so this game will die after a few months the first chapter reprint
It's so lame they are reprinting. Ruins it for me. I'd rather have ch. 1 be rare. Just move on to chapter 2. I hope the reprints are differentiated from original print somehow. Like a reprint stamp on them or something. This sucks
Oh no, the game meant for children is ruined for the 40-year-old because he was too stupid to realize that they were going to massively print it so their intended audience could actually get some of it to play. If you're crying about the October reprint you should probably check yourself into a mental facility before they announce the novelty product reprint they're going to do for the Christmas season.
@@JohnDoe-ld8nr again, you're absolutely wrong. Just cause I'd like to see the cards hold value doesn't mean I don't play. There's so many ignorant people in this hobby. This coming from the ADULT who says "a game thays meant for children". Get a grip you mouth breather.
As the video explains there will be no way to tell the difference between cards that were released a few days ago and this next wave. The only specially marked cards were the cards given out at the convention.
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Scalpers have pretty much destroyed the launch
They're ruining in tcgs in general. The point of tcgs isn't supposed to be to make money. It was nice to have cards that had value to trade or sell for cards you need or to recoup some costs but flippers buy everything so people have to overpay for anything. Then if product flow catches up they dump and crash the market
correction: Ravensburger's inability to communicate, print and distribute has created a market for resellers to destroy the launch.
Communicating, printing and distributing has mostly solved the issue for Pokémon TCG and MTG (sans purposefully limited prints).
I bought a box of packs to keep for 20 years or so, nothing wrong with it. I pre ordered ages ago and paid in full then, they could see the demand months out and could have adjusted for the preorder but obviously wanted to sell out to drive demand. People can invest in whatever they want, I'm not scalping by investing in something.
@@iantyers2086 Not sure why you take issue with the OP or even commented. Investing or holding product longterm has nothing to do with being a price gouger at launch. OP is obviously referring to people who are buying product just to quickly (at "launch") sell it at a much higher price... the definition for the term used.
@@iantyers2086 I have no problem with you doing that. You aren't buying out stores of multiple boxes and then flipping them for 300 quid.
The only difference is that One Piece is literally a 23 year old franchise that most likely does not have the same market size as Disney. Lorcana is a game with a much wider appeal due to being based on the IP of the largest animated studios in the world.
Yeah i agree on this. Disney is a whole different beast.
Huge. Disney is a different animal!
Lorcana is far more similar to Pokemon 151 than it is One piece. Or at the bare minimum how many cars they need for Japanese pokemon.
I with they would tell us how much they printed so we would know what the demand really looks like. Was it 300k boxes or 20k booster boxes?
The one thing people miss is that scalping is a demand response. As much as people complain about inflated prices, people buy at those prices. If the community would wait out scalpers they would stay away.
This is the ideal solution. I just don’t think you can expect it to ever happen, unfortunately.
Sadly people today are a bit too dumb to understand that. "Lorcana is popular, I must BUY NOW. Oh no the only person that sells it has booster boxes for 500$ - I MUST BUY BECAUSE IT IS POPULAR". It makes me very, very sad
@@davidgould8641 it’s ideal but it isn’t as unobtainable as people think especially at a local level. When people were scalping Pokémon players and our LGS didn’t buy singles from people and forced them onto online platforms. Our scalpers overbought thinking it would’ve been quick sales and instead they were left holding the bag. It didn’t solve the problem but it pushed out everyone who didn’t have a large stockpile of cash which opened up the market for local players to get sealed product.
@@RancorSnptell that to the "dummies" who want romance dawn pre errata boxes he'll the second wave boxes are still double msrp .
@@mikehoncho3695 The solution is still to wait until you find something that IS at msrp - if nobody buys above the market price, nobody will sell above it either
I am hoping that Lorcana goes on long enough for it to get some cards based on Kingdom Hearts.
If they need a big revenue boost all they'd need to do is release a set devoted to it. I feel confident that it would be easy guaranteed money for them.
I'm hoping they do Pirates of the Caribbean
I just want an Atlantis the lost empire deck
I'm seeing lots of pictures on Lorcana Facebook groups where people just clean out stores entirely. You'd think retailers would be limiting to like 2 items a purchase, but nope.
This happened before with other stuff (such as nes mini) if you buy the max amount then walk out the store, once you go back inside you are considered a new customer and legally have to sell it to you
Retailers only start doing that when people start pulling the knifes out...
All valid points Wossy. The problem is One piece and Disney are not even close to comparable. Disney is absolutely massive in North America. Everyone knew the launch would be massive except Ravensburg apparently.
What scares me is it kinda sounds like ravensburg only just approved the reprint. Why is it gunna take till Q1 2024 to reprint. We still have 4 months of 2023 and if the reprint comes late Q1 that means they took 6 months to do it, aaand if they had plans to reprint then its more than 6 months for a late Q1 2024 reprint.
I dont know how long it takes to reprint but I know 6 months is a long time. They definitely should have known better.
Also, what happens when the Q1 reprint is instantly sold out too(Which it likely will). Are we gunna have to wait another 6+ months. Thats how You kill a game, and I mean the actual card game itself. We have $40+ non-holos for crying out loud. Thats ridiculous, not to kention no word on offical ruling(but I wont get into that)
Thanks for helping me stay calm and not buying any at high prices
I was just at Wal-Mart an hour ago and the booster boxes were sitting there empty. Luckily they still had starter decks and the starters still contained 1 booster pack each.
I tried 6 stores today…all were sold out 😔 (Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Barnes and Nobles, and two LGSs)
Didn't you tell people to wait for retail launch and there would be a ton of inventory available?
That is exactly what he said. I guess you and I should have to wait till the end of Q1 next year. Wondering if he's all set with product though?
@dougcerulli8826 I didn't listen to him and got lucky on Sept 1st. My LGS had a midnight release two weeks prior. Honest prices. I have a great relationship with my LGS. It's comics and games. Was able to get a booster box, mat, and 2 starter packs. It was a year of asking on updates.
The scalpers were worse with lorcana than celebrations of pokemon. This came and gone so fast.
The million dollar question is - will the reprints in 2024 be different in any way/marking from the 2023 cards?
No
Let's award scalpers yay
After Gencon they should have started printing immediately.
Considering that Disney is losing money on everything right now it would be silly to think they won’t reprint the one thing that they currently have that’s successful
Disney are making more money than they ever have done, actually read before making braindead claims.
@@fkjfkrmrk disneys stock is at a 9 year low, the theme park attendance is down 23%, not a single movie they’ve released in the last year has made a profit (which is a first for Disney) and they’ve never made a profit on Disney plus. Everything they produce is losing money right now, you need to follow your own advice.
I think it's wonderful as it is a "Children's card game 😂" And I love it. I'm rewatching all the Disney classics because just seeing the cards reminded me of my childhood. And I've been teaching the younger generation to play Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG, but there's nothing like starting from 0 alongside everyone. Heck even the older folks in the family have been asking how to play and want to try it out. It's a game that literally speaks to all ages and I love it for that. And like you said, it's cool to have a collection, but I prefer the experience of cracking a booster box with my family and enjoy the game
A children card game for 140 dollars a box ? 😂
@@EspritFidget My thoughts exactly xD. That's why we use the quotation marks. It's a running joke in the Yu-Gi-Oh community. Every product is very expensive and you need multiple copies to not get your butt kicked in 1 turn
You must be being sarcastic. This product wasn't available too pretty much anybody.. No kids were able to go in the store and go "oh look at that princess Disney game let's get a pack mom " that totally didn't happen because scalpers were everywhere.
😅 for someone who is/was in business; you are pretty ignorant of the fact that over time; set 1 will disappear, same with set 2, etc. Every TCG that has ever hit market eventually quits production of previous sets. Yes, it may be printed for up to 2 years; but mark this post. 2 years from now, or even 1 1/2 half, you will not longer find this set in stores, period. Prices will drop significantly when it is printed enough, but once production ends, cards (especially the Enchanteds) will skyrocket.
EDIT: 1 thing to consider, which I do agree. Reprinting is healthy for the game and to get more players involved and invested; however, like any other TCGs; there will always be more starters, sets, etc. Perhaps even one where reprints occur in white border. That would ensure the previous cards are considered more valuable for collectors, which is something Ravensburger wants as well. They will not reprint this set into he** as it were because it would go against that and turn those people away as well. It has to be a healthy balance. Something I don't know if you understand Mr. Business...
Nothing is confirmed about differences with the reprints that’s really the key question here.
Myself and a bunch of my friends are all Disney collectors and that’s what drawer us to start playing Lorcana with our kids we love the game but would love to be able to collect the ones we love and save some of them for our kids especially for the type of money we are spending to buy Lorcana would like for it to be worth something in the long term to help justify spending that much $$$ and if anyone knows anything about Disney products the Disney lovers collectible things so I think they will be making a huge mistake if they don’t mark the reprints with a special marking and if they put rare cards in the future series they will keep the Disney collectors hooked for years and they will play it with their kids it’s no different then them marking the D23 cards differently or the ones that was marked gencon that they handed out at the gencon
My Walmart only had booster packs out of a box
Look back at MTG print runs, under 5M for the first 4, legends was 40M and revised 100M...the value of lorcana will hold
If it’s reprinted, does the 1 at the bottom turn into a 2?
I went to two Walmarts, a Target, BestBuy, Barnes and Noble, Hot Topic, GameStop this morning at all store openings and the only store that had product- Barnes and Noble. And it was only a small handful of packs. Extremely frustrating.
Pretty much had the same experience today minus the Hot Topic
Walmarts in Omaha aren’t carrying any yet and all targets in my area sold out before 9 am today.
i found a bunch on the shelf in Target today. Wasnt sure what it was so didnt pick any up. May go back tomorrow and grab some
They're gone.
grabbed some today. bunch still left.@@JohnDoe-ld8nr
How many times are they going to print the first chapter of lorcana?
TLDR: Wossy is covering hard for Ravensburger's mismanagement for some reason.
Although the confirmation is good and most of us expected it, it is very revealing how badly Ravensburger has managed Lorcana so far. Most of us expect Lorcana to have a lot of supply - eventually - fully depending on Ravensburger's management/mismanagement. We expected a ton of supply to meet a lot of demand when the game was announced and D23 promos were handed out... everyone in the TCG/CCG world knew there would be a ton of demand, except Wossy and Ravensburger I guess. Their communication, initial printing and distribution has been a joke, and they knew it. Wossy is definitely giving Ravensburger a huge pass on their issues. Yes, we don't know the deal between them and Disney, but I highly doubt it was "don't print & sell too much". Ravensburger's poor communication, lack of information on their website, and lack of official rulings really makes most of us believe that printing & distribution is their shortcoming, similar to the many other issues.
Ravensburger let everyone get crazy before announcing something they should have already known and had planned and ready for public release... another print run or two. The poor communication is right up there with official rulings only being on Lorcana Twitter/X. Demand was very strong ever since Disney Expo, and it is Disney... if you knew you would short print 1st, why not announce that you will have a 2nd print? Stores had their allocations cut by 90%+, how could Ravensburger not know there was demand when they can't even meet LGS orders that have been there for 6+ months??? It is just too logical from a business finance person like Wossy and I, so I don't know why Wossy is playing dumb. I feel bad for Ravensburger as they are just in way over their heads and haven't shown any ability to do better. It is totally fair to call out a company that just doesn't have the knowledge or intellect to figure things out. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying that they were just not allowed to print very much by their printing partners... much of their poor communication is the source of confusion around Lorcana - availability, print run, distribution, rules, organized play, etc.
Ravensburger would be stupid NOT to reprint the first few sets when the hype is big. Usually the hype ends after Set 4 and only players who like the game stay and demand is sinking
One thing the current market has me doing is selling whatever cards I do end up getting my hands on. With $20-40 non-foil legendary cards showing up fairly often, I'm selling competitive cards more than buying. I love to compete and I love to win, but as a Pokemon deck builder, I'm not a fan of how expensive singles are right now. I'll stick to starter decks with a few upgrades until we get into a more normal market this fall.
USA Ebay Romance Dawn back up to $180
A very smalll tiny amount of reprint…. obviously LOL
The thing with these launch day/window shortages is is for me personally it tests my resolve to want to get into the game at all. I thought One Piece looked cool, but was unavailable and cards were too expensive. I decided to just skip it and keep looking. Then Lorcana came around and I thought it would be a good fit. Now after launch window I'm thinking of just not getting into it because we have SWU coming up. I have some faith in FFG and an edge since I live where they are based. I just want to be able to get some starter decks and maybe a few packs, not looking to clear out the county. Oddly enough though, I did just buy the ST8 and 9 starters for One Piece, so you never know I guess.
Still sucks I have a better chance making a custom deck with the second set over the first cards, but I suppose I should have expected it.
I generally agree with you on these points when card games launch but I feel that this one is a bit different. There was a less than 1% chance that this game did not have massive sales at release. And that was obvious just from the hype around the game. They could’ve easily printed more and sold it all. Now we are at a point where you have super frustrated players because they can’t find any product at retail and singles are super expensive. Frustrate a game stores because they barely got any product. And a launch weekend that has been full of people arguing and being disappointed, instead of enjoying the game
Agreed, Wossy was a Finance teacher, but I am not sure why he is missing the main points. One Piece is not Disney... not even close. Conservatively, Disney is the #2 brand behind Pokémon and he is trying to tell us that Ravensburger was blind to Pokémon TCG market and what happened during the pandemic? It just seems off for him. I think he is just trying to be a devil's advocate and say something totally off from what most people have witnessed.
They were taking money for preorders, they knew exactly how much demand there was and they didn't print anywhere close to enough. They could have pushed back Second Chapter and just kept printing First, that would have fixed literally all their problems. Now they are just going to get worse.
Wossy Droppin Facts!!!
How about the fear of 1st wave has a higher hit then later waves.
That's always the case for most new tcg. Hype overhypes hype.
I honestly am ready for the majority to quit lorcana so we can have a competitive small crowd like OP and BSS.
Are the reprints gonna be different then the 1st prints?
Had a big section about this in the video where I explained in detail :)
Nope.Are you a scalper?
Friggin taking 9 months for that to happen is insane.
I've dropped legendary foil elsa, someone think that the price will increase in some years ?
It depends on how badly the card was damaged when you dropped it.
@@JohnDoe-ld8nr i dropped it normally near mint and she is with sleeve and toploader
@@musicdemo3035toploader will prevent 99.99 damages don't worry lol
I bet the actual amount printed between Lorcana and One Piece is dramatic and the actual demand much higher for Lorcana. I disagree that Lorcana didn't know what the demand was going to be. They couldn't print enough because they don't have enough printing capacity to match demand and there is no way they are going to. And doing so right off the bat is the only way to not have a price discrepancy between retail and secondary market prices. Now they are going to print Second Chapter in November and the First Chapter reprint in January, but they have to already be printing Third Chapter to Release in February. And so now Second Chapter is going to be even worse and harder to find than First Chapter, fueling the speculators. There is no way the reprint is going to be enough still. They could have just kept printing the First Chapter until demand was met even wave by wave and then printed Second Chapter, but because they didn't do that this is guaranteed to continue to be a problem all the way through. First editions aren't going to get rid of speculators at all. First Chapter will always be the one in demand and Second Chapter is probably the best investment because it will be less produced because they are going to be trying to fix the lack of First Chapter printing. Maybe you're prediction about the future comes true, I'm much more convinced that my own view is correct. We'll see who's right.
Anyone else hear the reprints will be labeled as EN-2 instead of EN-1? Seems like a silly minor change is it really necessary?🤷
The reprintings will just be bought out super fast too. Its sad. I feel priced out of the game already.
Ravenburgers should reprint Lorcana two more times to make these scalpers lose money..LOL .I don't have a problem with people buying several boxes,but I have a problem with people cleaning shelves to quick flip.
How are people who quick flipped the product right away going to lose money to a reprint that happens months from now? They're already out and have their money.
Comparing One Piece to Lorcana is not a super great comparison. My local store cannot get enough people to play One Piece, Loracana is bought as soon as its received and limited per person.
It seems like almost the opposite with my local game store.
One Piece sold out instantly when it first released, but Lorcana stayed in stock for a good while. They are even running a draft this weekend for Lorcana.
One peice are way way about demand then lorcana.
So, NO more cards are going to be restocked until October? WTF!!
They need to admit they F* up and ship out more cards immediately.
My local Walmart only got 5 boxes of cards. They were gone within 1 hour. That is unacceptable. (Walmart should have limited purchases to 2 to control stock some) Same with other stores.
And October is the optimistic version. Because October is when the LGS are getting the reprints - you know the ones that made the product unavailable for the 2 weeks before the launch date. The actual restock to retailers is scheduled 4 to 6 months from now
No September was already planned to have more stock but now that it's success has been verified they are saying they'll make more for October as well
"did anyone acually think that this is the end of first chapter"?.... Yes .. yes I did. If you know disney you would then know they are all about being masters of Supply and Demand on Merch. MASTERS.
I know about business and card games. As I explained. And I was right :)
That was a stupid assumption. They want it to succeed and it couldn't possibly succeed if their target audience never got any of the products because it was so short printed and flippers cleared out all of the stores.
I mean, if Disney wants this game to have a chance of making it past 2 years, they better make it cheap to get enough people interested in such a game, because at this point, if it can't get enough people to play this game competitively, it's gonna go the way of other failed tcg's as you can't have a thriving tcg without a competitive scene and more importantly, major competitions.
getting me some lorcana this weekend
3 stores nothing but my buddy got 7 packs so I was happy for him
Got 48 packs myself and ten staters nothing much
Wossy - to me this is corporate damage control. Everything they said here we already knew.
Willl the reprints be a reprint or a continuation of printing the first set,will you be able to tell the difference??
Can you be more phatetic?
@@OggiOggiOggi can you learn how to spell pathetic properly,I don't know what a phatetic,got my 2 booster boxes right out the mj holdings box at Walmart 👌
reprints are not frist edition. thats that problem
Will the cards have something to show that they are reprints?! Is this confirmed yet?!
Source?
You either "want to play the game" or want to invest, if you missed the first print that's on you I'm afraid...
If there is no visible difference, the reprints ARE just more first edition.
If they print is exactly the same, then they effectively are still first edition.
It shouldn't really matter when you buy the cards. If you only got into collecting for the money value then you are hurting market.
One piece set 1 is STILL expensive wtf he talking about
It is not nearly expensive as when it first released what crack are you smoking my guy?? OP1 is cheaper than when I bought a box last December.
@HardcoreLARPer while you are right the other guy has a point. If he lives near where I do. A box still retails above 144. But it's because of the vendors agreeing on a price.
yep. Romance Dawn is pretty much the only set that still hasn't come down in price yet. maybe it's a U.S. thing and I need to import from another Country
@@JBryant0619 let's split cost lol
it could be reprinted but the artwork could change
Why would they do that though?
That's extra money they'd have to spend on something that only profits resellers.
Tell ‘em, Wossy!
Are they seriously stating that they released ALL of the initial print?! Not buying it. Somebody is playing games.
There's many shops I talked to saying they have confirmed their getting September deliveries so expect more stock this month on top of next month
I'd hope the box art for the next printing is different at least to keep that value on what came out today but the packs/cards are the same.
Why should it matter? It shouldn't matter.
It won't be.
Nope
How could speculators ruin the game? Reprinting allows everyone to play the game even if you mark the reprinting as it is...
A TGC doesn't survive only with players... so this game will die after a few months the first chapter reprint
I had the opportunity to buy two booster boxes at MSRP, but didn’t cuz I wanted to be ethical… dummy.
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Wossy plays man lol
I don’t care about the info his voice makes my days better so for that I thank you
lol...WTF is One Piece?
It's so lame they are reprinting. Ruins it for me. I'd rather have ch. 1 be rare. Just move on to chapter 2. I hope the reprints are differentiated from original print somehow. Like a reprint stamp on them or something. This sucks
"Waaah I am not making as much money as I thought I will by ruining the game for others"
Dude, everyone knows you're a scalper.
@@squirmyandgrubsareafakecou9102 you're fckn wrong dude. Why can't someone have a different opinion than you? Holy shit
Oh no, the game meant for children is ruined for the 40-year-old because he was too stupid to realize that they were going to massively print it so their intended audience could actually get some of it to play. If you're crying about the October reprint you should probably check yourself into a mental facility before they announce the novelty product reprint they're going to do for the Christmas season.
@@JohnDoe-ld8nr again, you're absolutely wrong. Just cause I'd like to see the cards hold value doesn't mean I don't play. There's so many ignorant people in this hobby. This coming from the ADULT who says "a game thays meant for children". Get a grip you mouth breather.
Star Wars Unlimited is much better!
bruh
Not even released yet.
Phewwwwww glad I didn't buy this trash at premium prices including One Piece. If they are reprinting, I can get at discount.
Willl the reprints be a reprint or a continuation of printing the first set,will you be able to tell the difference??
As the video explains there will be no way to tell the difference between cards that were released a few days ago and this next wave. The only specially marked cards were the cards given out at the convention.