1, you cannot buy a Golf R brand new because unless you find one in a dealership (very rare) it was a limited time thing that you will have to wait for yet again. 2, you forgot to tell people to consider the jump in maintenance, fuel consumption and insurance costs involved with an R. For $800, most of us will tune the GTI to get more HP and TQ than the R. 3, why the hell did you put those random competitors in the comments? The only cars that are ever compared to the GTI are the Focus ST, Fiesta ST, and.. Veloster? You put Cadillac, Volvo, Infiniti, Lexus, Acura, BMW, S4???, Mercedes, and the X1??? How the hell are any of those competitors to the GTI? None of them are front wheel drive and most have more power. You just basically said that an Audi S4 for $50k+ is comparable to the GTI. Seriously.
Was thinking the same thing. Just tested 2 the other day and happened to call my insurance to get an estimate. I was shocked that for me, insurance came to about $50 (could probably get it less). This guy is an idiot.
Well the title made it excellent clickbait tho! Thats why I watched it! And I picked up a 2016 gti autobahn trim for $13500 last week and couldn't find ANY year golf r for under $23k
Used 2018s go for right around $20k u.s., I got a decent price on mine bc its already got 140k miles on it, but me personally thats just 140k miles closer to the performance rebuild!
I am the proud owner of a gti mk6 (2012). Got it from the dealership. I'm the second owner for 13500. Performance package with the Chicago rims. I'm in love. Maintenance is a bit steep. But I've absolutely gotten what I paid for. I dream daily for the golf r. Or the retro r32. I think I'm stuck with euro cars for the rest of my life. Mileage was 72k at purchase. Sounds perfect. As long as you keep up with the maintenance.
@@Maliketh358 They are great fun, they only run as well as you treat it. If you're kind and do oil changes and stuff like you're supposed to it'll be fine
Peter Heide it’s a fun car I have a mk6 couple things you do have to pay attention too for maintenance but if you don’t wait and jump on the problems you’ll be fine
In the US the mk7 gti (2017 just released) starts at 24k and you can get the performance package and lighting package for around 32k. Which brings a further separation from the R.
it sucks that we cannot get the performance package a la carte like in the US so we have to get the loaded model at which point the GTi loses its value.
What are you talking about? We had a choice to get the performance package on all three trim levels in 2016. The problem was dealers mostly only order the loaded up cars with the PP. The base model PP cars are out there but they are uncommon.
What I find interesting about the Canadian model range is (IIRC) you guys can get plaid seats and it be fully loaded, but in the US you can only get that classy cloth on S trims.
+Mike M I am in the USA. It sucks how inconsistent they are across markets. I wish we had all the features they get in Europe but some are just missing.
+Alden Cates diff wont help you on fast start, otherwise gti with pp would have acceleration more close to golf r. fyi, without pp it is 6.5 with pp 6.4, where is help of pp? youd better spend money on good engine chip tuning.
I never said it would do a thing towards you getting a quicker start, or being close to a Golf R. What I said was in corners where a diff can send the power to the outer wheel and prevent the inner wheel from spinning because it's unladen is where it helps. Tuned there's that much more power that needs to be put down. FWD + power equals wheel spin in turns without help of a diff.
I have a ‘15 GTI with Stage 1 tune. I’ve raced a golf R twice and both times noticeably pulled away from it. With DSG the shifting is lightning quick, and grip is great with only a little chirp at each gear from the tires under full acceleration. Awesome. Then you can put it back to D mode and nobody would know it’s 320hp / 370 ftlbs torque. Agree with the comment about manual transmission in this video, but DSG in sport mode you just can’t screw up. 👍
The VW plant has been in Mexico for over 20 years and the workers have a lot of experience. Germans who have driven the North American marketed version said it's actually slightly better made than the one coming out of Wolfsburg.
I don't mind the car being made in Mexico, I am Mexican. And most people don't really know how many Cars are actually made in Mexico, and from most major manufacturers.
I've already complained about it many times. They make it in Mexico to save money yet the cars not any cheaper to buy. I'm not saying it's a worse car because it's made in Mexico but I'd still prefer a German car to actually come from Germany.
one thing I love about mine is you don't see them!!haha I'll see a hundred of the same cars, mustangs, Chevy cameros, Corollas. This is a great car. Sport package Se GTI 👍
It really depends where you live, in socal where I live the Golf R has a market value increase of $12,500, which brings it to about $54k-$55k, a lot more than the ~24k I paid for my GTI sport.
I have a '16 GTI basically fully loaded with Performance Package, Dynamic Chassis Control, and Lighting Package (with a manual transmission). Every single option except the Drivers Assistance Package (which I did NOT want). It MSRPed for like $34,865, but I leased it. THIS is when it makes sense to go with the GTI over the R. My lease deal is $399/month, NO money down, tax included in the lease, and the full wheel/tire insurance package included free. If I was to have gotten a similarly-equipped Golf R, it would have been WELL over $100-200 more a month. Further, you can't get the Golf R with a sunroof, and that's an absolute deal-breaker for me. I drove the Golf R extensively when I was searching for my new car, and I could have afforded it if I wanted it. However, I just didn't see the point in spending the substantial amount of money on my lease for a car that wasn't that much better than my GTI. Plus, as i said, I need a sunroof. I'd make the same decision again.
Jeff K Not only that, but with the Performance Package's electronically-controlled mechanical limited-slip differential, virtually all the main benefits of going AWD over FWD are met. Torque steer is virtually eliminated, and the car handles better in both good and poor weather.
In early January I leased a GTI SE without performance or lighting for 370/month for 36/12K with no money down. I got $5000 off the sticker of that car, then calculated the lease. It was the last day of the sales year deal. Granted, my state unfortunately charges full car-value sales tax on a lease. But still, the car you got would have cost $450+. How in the world did you get that deal? What state are you in?
I bought a 2013 GTI. 3 years later and 21k the clutch blew up. Had to replace the clutch disc, pressure plate and flywheel. They claimed I abused it. I met the mechanic who took it apart and he showed me the parts and he said I did nothing to it, that they've been coming from the factory like this right and left. Cost me 2k+ in repairs. I will never, ever own a VW again.
All cars are prone to shit defects or shit engineering from the factory. Speaking as someone who worked as a professional mechanic for the better part of the decade, you will never find a brand that is flawless.
Like others, I have to disagree with this review on how they price these in the US. True, paying sticker on a loaded GTI is close in price to a base R, but VW dealers will negotiate and have sales fairly often on GTIs, unlike Rs, where you can hope to pay MSRP at best in most cases. I bought a '16 Autobahn GTI DSG PP LP for $31K and for the quality that price seems about a right. Seriously, the interiors are much nicer than comparable Subarus and Fords.
The reason why the performance package is worth it is the Limited Slip Differential. But he is right about a few things: 2Dr, manual, and any color other than silver.
Geez Canada sucks. The pricing of these cars up there is so out of whack I don't blame you for not recommending it. Down here in the states there's a MUCH bigger gap in price between the GTI and the R, which is to be expected. My GTI had a sticker just under 28k(4 door base model with manual and lighting package) and I got the car for around 24k. But base level 2 doors here start at about 24k and 4 doors start at around 26k. And the Rs start a hair under 40k. Big differences than what you guys have to deal with up there...
Sean Roberts Yeah... i think thats a different GTI Model. The Autobahn is 34k in the US with 4 doors. and the GTI sport is 27 with 4 doors. 2 doors doesnt change the price here. Only the transmission or any "Packages" (Lighting, performance, etc)
I have a fully maxed out MK6 GTI Drivers Edition (1 of 2500). It has the pano roof, 5 doors, DSG, Performance Pack, Floormats, Cargo pack, Autobahn package, etc. Bought it in 2013 for 28,880. Such a damn good car for the price. But *now* a base GTI is 28k that's insane. Also dead *reliable* , not a problem even with my "spirited" driving style.
Math Check. I have a 2016 5dr PP / Autobahn / DSG /DCC and leather that stickered at $34.5, and I paid $32.5. The Golf R was $42.5 and no discounts. And, I couldn't find one configured /painted how I wanted. So the price delta in the real world wasn't $2K it was $10K. Almost a year down the road, sure, I would have loved the R but I love my GTI as well. The DCC really works, and saved me the cost of an aftermarket set of Koni Sports. The DCC shocks say 'Monroe" but the adjustable part in the shock body is actually made by Ohlins. If you race, you are likely familiar with Ohlins at about $4K per set. The only mods I've made are a dogdone bushing for $40 and Achtuning (shameless plug) installed it for free - while I waited, and a Neuspeed 25mm rear sway bar I installed to get better rotation. I also got a set of Neuspeed RSe05 Wheels and 235/40-18 Bridgestone RE71s and a custom alignment for autocross. So all in with aftermarket wheels, RSB and suspension setup I'm still $7500 under the R.
Bought mine in June 2016 in New Jersey USA. I choose the S with DSG and plaid seat. After tax and everything else, i paid $24k out of the door. ($4k dealer discount and $1k VWoA discount) Prior to this, i had 9 different VWs, 5 of them were GTIs. being with VW credit for the last 16yrs, gets me good preference by any dealers go to and yes, discounts too.
I bought an Autobahn version of the GTI over the Golf R because, at least in the US, the Golf R doesn't come with a sunroof. Deal breaker. The FWD is fine.
My point is that in many cars, or many trim levels, you are forced to have one whether you like it or not, so those cars get struck off my list too, but for an actual physical reason. What do you like so much about them anyway? I had a car with one, I almost never used it. The only reason I can think why they would not put it in the R is that it adds weight to the roof, which is specifically what you don't want to be doing in a sporty car for handling and acceleration reasons. That said, all competitors would have it as an option, so it doesn't make much sense.
I've searched everywhere and only found 3 golf R's that are manual at dealerships and they are marked up. 38 grand. The gti's are all 24 grand and under. Think its a pretty big price difference.
I bought the 2016 base 2 door GTI with 6 speed manual. Had it weighed on a digital scale with a half tank of gas, 2,940 lbs. Price was $28, 500 including freight and PDI. Saved money and weight by getting the base model. At this price it is a performance bargain.
As a 2016 Golf R owner, I agree with Motormouth Canada. However, here in the states, you can get a GTI for much less than a Golf R. For less than a grand, you can tune your GTI to nearly the level of HP of the stock Golf R. The front drive system of the GTI is superior to that of other comparable front-drive performance cars and has less torque steer and better traction. If you can afford the Golf R, buy it, but if it is out of reach pricewise, go for the GTI with a tune and you'll be able to keep up with a stock R. I wasn't satisfied with the stock HP of the Golf R so I didn't hesitate to get the APR Stage 1 tune which turned the R into a beast.
I'm in the DC/MD/VA area, and a lot of dealers are starting to put no-haggle prices on the internet for Autobahns with Performance pack and an MSRP of around 36,500 (+/-) for high 27k area. At that price, and the fact they're not really budging much on the R's around here, the GTI is still the right one to buy. ;)
You really drove your point home in your intro when you mentioned the Golf R three times in your list of competitors to the GTI. Also, you can bargain down the price of a GTI, unlike the R. BTW, I own a '16 Golf R and love it.
I got my 2016 GTI Autobahn Performance Package with lighting pack and manual for $27000 USD. The dealers are hungry and willing to deal right now. I love this car because it just feels like a quality car and is an incremental improvement in most areas over my 2016 Focus St3. It sucks that the GTI is so expensive in Canada. Here in the USA I would have to pay about $10,000 more to get a Golf R that is similarly equipped as my GTI. For 2k more I would totally get an R. I am jealous you guys get the larger infotainment screen. I wish I could order the larger screen from a Canadian scrap yard or something.
I'll add my 2 cents... you can get the ”sport” trim which includes the performance and lighting packages for around $26k or $29k out the door. Added bonus of cloth tartan seats that don't get hot in the summer or cold in the winter. I also didn't want or need a sunroof so the sport trim was the best option for me. The sport trim is truly the best bang for the buck. It ended up being a easy $10k less than the base R. Even in the used market mk7 R is stuck in the mid 30's before taxes and dealer fees. I'm very happy with the Sport trim. and hope this post helps those in the market for a new GTI.
I bought a new 2017 GTI Autobahn with PP.. window sticker was about $37k, but I got it for about $31k. You definitely don't have to pay sticker for GTI. Conversely, the R I was looking at had a sticker of $42k, and that's about what I would have paid. So, there's really about a $10k difference in the GTI vs the Golf R, as opposed to the $2k you say in this video.
That was pretty much only an issue in 2015/16 where a Fully specd out GTI was within 3k to a base R. Which is almost loaded. Now... A loaded GTI is 8k less than the base R.
Thanks for all the feedback and I couldn’t agree more. My story is the same my 2016 GTI autobahn was my dream car after driving VW brand new and used for more than 30 yrs my GTI needs a new clutch at 25k of soft driving I am 59 yrs old not doing hole shots..the extended warranty 3-36k bumper to bumper VW customer care extra warranty will not cover this obviously defective product. Thanks VW you lost another customer? So anyone and anyone I know will hear this story about their lack of customer support So sad...
Thumbs up for suggesting it with a manual. Like the MINI Cooper and Corvette, the GTI feels it's lacking something with an automatic. I got mine with the manual and it makes it a LOT more fun. Also, having driven manuals for almost 8-9 years, this one is VERY easy to use, the clutch is the way a performance car should be: light and quick to engage. Even in the 105-degree Texas sun after a long day at work, the manual is easy to use and is quite flexible. The car seems to chug along well in almost any gear! Can't say that about BMW or MINI! LOL when you said "Audi-like". The VW Group own Audi and having driven an A6, I can say the plastic looks and feels the same so I think the materials used for the plastic are the same going into their $50,000 Audi models too.
I agree that the manual transmission is the better choice. In the US the price of a GTI ranges from around $26K to $36K if you get the Autobahn edition with DSG. While the Golf R ranges from just over $40K or $41K with the DSG. That means for US buyers the difference in cost between a GTI and Golf R is between 5 to 14 thousand dollars. How come the difference is only $2000 in Canada?
It's heavier by a couple hundred pounds, yes. But that is completely irrelevant when you have another almost 80hp. Efficiency wise, you're talking 2 mpg. Big whoop. And "comfortable"... it's more refined, has nicer seats, and a much more high end interior than the GTI. The points you just gave aren't very strong, and I can go on all day about how much more potential an R has over the GTI performance wise.
Great, honest review. I've always been a Honda guy and have never owned a German designed / manufactured vehicle, but I hear they are very refined and fun to drive. But the Golf "R" sure looks interesting! Wow!
I live in NY and purchased a 2016 GTI SE w/ Perf Pack and Lighting Pack in a manual trans and paid $31k. At the time I ordered my car (which was May 2016) the R was not available w/ sunroof or manual trans and was around $38k. A $7k difference and NOT what I wanted. The Pirelli tires they put on the GTI are terrible. My winter/sport Michelin Alpins out perform in winter AND summer. Those with the addition of an APR stage 1 software and intake will SMOKE an R. And all for around $2.2k.
if the Golf R used regular gas like the GTI does i'd get it, but like many have said it won't be often that i'd drive in a manner to fully use the R's capabilities so i prefer something that is more efficient for day to day driving..
And holy crap dude I paid 28 for a 4 door se with lighting package. They're screwing you guys up north. S starts at 22 or so. You got me with that title but down here the GTI is a steal.
I'm going to play off your clever title... ...GTI you shouldn't buy and definitely not Chip! This car with a modest APR chip will turn this into a GTI++. It's fun confusing, Challenger , Camaro, and even Ferrari owners. Anyone who says unreliable, does not know what they're talking about. VW has come a long way in terms of reliability. Owned a few GTIs, an r32 and can tell you the current offerings are solid.
I'm on my 5th GTI now. Not due to reliability issues, but do to the love I have for the GTI itself. I only ever had 1 major issue with a 2012. that was because I bought it used and the idiot who owned it before me, ragged the poor thing to death. Other then that, everyone I have ever had new, has been awesome. Will never buy anything other than a GTI, except maybe the R
I see your point about the R except......... the R, from what I have read has engagement issues with the manual transmission and it has been said that the DSG is a better choice. Three pedal are a must. Plus I like a sunroof and 3 doors make the R a no go. Would make for a great winter car or in Vancouver where it rains so much a daily driver. Always enjoyed Zachs reviews and perspective.
Agreed. The Golf GTI is like $3-4K less than an R once optioned. My GF has a base model similar to what you are in and it's a good value. Anything more and not so much.
As an owner of a mk7 gti, I can say that it is not the top of the gti category. The golf r is the best model. However, to get the r, you have to spend much more than just 2 grand for the r. Since the r is considered the "race model" it has much more quirks and features that the base model doesn't have. Giving that hefty price tag.
I truly agree, by experience. I purchased the GTI a few months ago, with performance package upgrade. Love everything but I regret not going all the way. I will trade it in for the 2018 R for sure!
I think this is a good video, but a bit biased towards the Canadian market. In the U.S California to be specific I recently leased mine at a total cost $20,568. The MSRP on 2dr manual is about $26,000. I've really enjoyed mine and have been around GTI since the Mark II days.
Wait. This guy is saying 28ish for the three door and 34ish for the 5 door? That's 6 grand more for the 5 door. In the states it 600 more for the 5 door. That can't be right. So I just checked and the reason for the giant difference in the two models is that in canada you cannot get a base 5 door. You have to get the "autobahn" version which adds like 5 or 6 grand. What a horrible omission from the canadian gti line up.
No, GTI can take Regular or Premium. I never use Premium in my Performance 2017 with no problems. US mileage ratings use Regular. VW says that HP may go down slightly ( - going on 5th year now.) - not detectable).
2017 GTI can take trailer hitch (Golf R - not recommended). Trunk larger in GTI, In Canada R not available with sunroof, no fog lights, R is a gas hog compared to the GTI. R's 19 inch wheels give a very rough ride.
obviously it's silly to get the GTI totally optioned out for a price that comes close to the R. however, i got a 2 door 6spd base S model for $26,061 after everything was said and done. and for $26k... absolutely worth it.
Everyday driver says the R is not worth it. they prefer the driving experience of the gti performance. I'll have to keep researching maybe schedule some test drives. I will be buying a stick (gotta have three pedals)
Problem with Golf R is its exclusivity. The GTI Autobahn can be had for very steep discounts if you look around while the Golf Rs price will never budge. In fact, I have seen it selling for higher than MSRP because they can get it. I have seen $42- $43K for the R while the Autobahn GTI can be had for $32-33K . In the real world its not a $2K difference but more like $8-10K if look around.
Yes - I ordered my GTI performance pack in April and received it in June. I was looking at the Golf R, and even when I fully optioned out the GTI (DSG, big nav, DCC, leather, all assistance stuff, kessy, etc.), it was only SLIGHTLY more expensive than a base R with DSG. With the "necessary" (for me) options, the R would have been about 5K-6K Euro more expensive than the fully loaded GTI. So I had the choice "GTI with everything, or R with AWD, a bit more performance and nicer headlights but less options for 5K more?". I chose the GTI, since the added performance and AWD is not really worth it during daily driving, I'd rather have more luxury options. GTI with performance pack is fast enough.
I would agree if you're looking to buy the Autobahn but if it's not in your price range the performance pack S model or SE model is MORE than efficient.
As a GTI owner in the U.S. My MK7 GTI S 4dr. DSG with light package & DCC was about $10K less (including dealership fees and taxes) than the R I would of choose. While I'm throwing in my $0.02 I would say +PP is unnecessary for the average driver. Unless you plan on tracking the car you don't really need it.
Here in the USA, the base GTI at about $25k is the way to go. With all the expensive options added to it, its just not a good value. Not to criticize the reviewer, but in my opinion, the comparison being made here between the GTI and R is not valid. The fully loaded GTI w/perf. pack would be closest in price to a base Golf R. In that comparison, I would agree and just spend the extra cash for the base Golf R. But a Golf R with any big option packages pushes the price way up, and then you start talking about Audi S3 quattro territory.
Your point about the price is understandable if you are only looking at buying NEW. But when buying used there is a huge price difference. Used R's are still going for 38-40k with 20-40,000km on them. I bought my used 2016 GTI PP with 23km on it for 32k. I'm sorry but for an 8k difference I can buy the car and do almost all mods I want to the GTI and come in around 40k.
Well for the reason you said many dealers intend to sell Autobahn model (the full end one) way below MSRP here in United States. I got mine for around $31k USD Most GTIs I see on streets are actually Autobahn model
I believe the canadian prices are different. from USA. Got my GTI well under 30k with 4 door, DSG, and lighting pack. The Golf R here is on average 6-8k more than your standard fully loaded GTI
You mention that it is a perfect commuter car. Can the same be said for the R, or are there more comprises to driver comfort and slow speed driving(i.e traffic jams and slow town driving)?
I knew Zack was going to say Golf R as the reason no to buy; in fact my argument is either the base GTI or the Golf R. Anything in the middle isn't worth it.
The difference between the 2016 4-dr, 6-spd GTI Autobahn with PP, LP, DCC that I bought cost more than $10K less than an R. Not $2K!!! And I'm quite sure about that--I priced it out at 4 dealers. Granted, I got a great deal on my car. But still, most markets charge premiums for Rs.
Starts at 42k€ here in Finland. PP is another 1k€ extra. Neither cars have any options. Golf R starts at over 50k€ here. But for some strange reason the R is more popular here. Ive driven the R and own a GTi 7. Prefer the feel the GTi gives over the R.
These things just don't make sense anymore with how expensive they are getting. Maybe if they made the Performance pack standard at the base price. At the end of the day I'm not paying 35k for a Golf. The Focus ST is priced just a little more sensibly especially since it has fewer options, but even that's a bit much and that car's interior is horrific.
I paid $20,042 (USD) for a brand-new, 2018 GTI. A Golf R would be $34k absolute minimum, zero dealers have incentives on them. I like the R, but not at ~14k over the price I paid.
I live in Dominican Republic, here the GTI cost the same as in Canada, 38k, same price for the BRZ, Miata. Don't know why but the Mustang are too expensive for me, the V6 cost 43k, the ecoboost cost 47k and the GT cost 60k, same price for the Audi S3, don't know about the Golf R. But i agree the GTI to get is the base GTI maybe one with the PP and DSG. If the Golf R in Canada cost 2k more then go for the Golf R. The BMW M2 cost 80k, the other cars in the list a lot more expensive. In Colombia or Argentina don't remember the GTI cost 60k so figure out the other cars.
1, you cannot buy a Golf R brand new because unless you find one in a dealership (very rare) it was a limited time thing that you will have to wait for yet again. 2, you forgot to tell people to consider the jump in maintenance, fuel consumption and insurance costs involved with an R. For $800, most of us will tune the GTI to get more HP and TQ than the R. 3, why the hell did you put those random competitors in the comments? The only cars that are ever compared to the GTI are the Focus ST, Fiesta ST, and.. Veloster? You put Cadillac, Volvo, Infiniti, Lexus, Acura, BMW, S4???, Mercedes, and the X1??? How the hell are any of those competitors to the GTI? None of them are front wheel drive and most have more power. You just basically said that an Audi S4 for $50k+ is comparable to the GTI. Seriously.
WoodyBLike great comment !
Was thinking the same thing. Just tested 2 the other day and happened to call my insurance to get an estimate. I was shocked that for me, insurance came to about $50 (could probably get it less). This guy is an idiot.
Well the title made it excellent clickbait tho! Thats why I watched it! And I picked up a 2016 gti autobahn trim for $13500 last week and couldn't find ANY year golf r for under $23k
@@devivoman are they all that cheap? In the Netherlands we pay for a similar car at least €17.000 wich is about $20.500..
Used 2018s go for right around $20k u.s., I got a decent price on mine bc its already got 140k miles on it, but me personally thats just 140k miles closer to the performance rebuild!
picked up a 2017 GTI for under 20k, older R's go for over 30k still in my area
Same just got mine for 18000 17’ sport. So much fun and with a two year warranty 👍🏻
Yeah I just got a 16 autobahn trim for $13500 last week.
I didnt see a single r under $23k
Lots under 20k here but with 130,000 k plus
@@brendanfirlotte4099 wow that’s crazy, I got mine with 32,000 miles on it
I can get those around $25000 where I'm at... the Golf R is about 10k more....
I am the proud owner of a gti mk6 (2012). Got it from the dealership. I'm the second owner for 13500. Performance package with the Chicago rims. I'm in love. Maintenance is a bit steep. But I've absolutely gotten what I paid for. I dream daily for the golf r. Or the retro r32. I think I'm stuck with euro cars for the rest of my life. Mileage was 72k at purchase. Sounds perfect. As long as you keep up with the maintenance.
Andrew Neuenschwander Awesome dude! I just bought my mk6 gti 2010 with 20k
I am currently looking for a golf GTI also, probably mk6 or 7 manual... but I've heard so many things that go wrong with having 2nd thoughts now
@@Maliketh358 They are great fun, they only run as well as you treat it. If you're kind and do oil changes and stuff like you're supposed to it'll be fine
Peter Heide it’s a fun car I have a mk6 couple things you do have to pay attention too for maintenance but if you don’t wait and jump on the problems you’ll be fine
Here in the U.S., the base GTI is $26,000, and the R is $40,000. Do a $600 APR tune, and your GTI will have over 300 hp.
In the US the mk7 gti (2017 just released) starts at 24k and you can get the performance package and lighting package for around 32k. Which brings a further separation from the R.
it sucks that we cannot get the performance package a la carte like in the US so we have to get the loaded model at which point the GTi loses its value.
What are you talking about? We had a choice to get the performance package on all three trim levels in 2016. The problem was dealers mostly only order the loaded up cars with the PP. The base model PP cars are out there but they are uncommon.
+SWmaster Are you in Canada?
Had to look hard to find a base model
What I find interesting about the Canadian model range is (IIRC) you guys can get plaid seats and it be fully loaded, but in the US you can only get that classy cloth on S trims.
+Mike M I am in the USA. It sucks how inconsistent they are across markets. I wish we had all the features they get in Europe but some are just missing.
Performance pack also includes bigger Golf R brakes and electronically controlled mechanical front differential, which is why most people opt for it.
pp opts make sense on the track only. for regular driving they are useless.
You can never have too big of brakes, and the diff? Floor it in a turn and the power won't get wasted on a spinning wheel-especially if you're tuned.
+Alden Cates diff wont help you on fast start, otherwise gti with pp would have acceleration more close to golf r. fyi, without pp it is 6.5 with pp 6.4, where is help of pp? youd better spend money on good engine chip tuning.
I never said it would do a thing towards you getting a quicker start, or being close to a Golf R. What I said was in corners where a diff can send the power to the outer wheel and prevent the inner wheel from spinning because it's unladen is where it helps. Tuned there's that much more power that needs to be put down. FWD + power equals wheel spin in turns without help of a diff.
+Alden Cates this is exactly what i told you in my first comment about usage pp on the track.
I have a ‘15 GTI with Stage 1 tune. I’ve raced a golf R twice and both times noticeably pulled away from it. With DSG the shifting is lightning quick, and grip is great with only a little chirp at each gear from the tires under full acceleration. Awesome. Then you can put it back to D mode and nobody would know it’s 320hp / 370 ftlbs torque. Agree with the comment about manual transmission in this video, but DSG in sport mode you just can’t screw up. 👍
Zack, you are above this sort of click bait title. Great video though!
I was just about to comment on the same thing. Zack's videos are tasteful and professional, I don't find that these titles belong here.
My thoughts exactly, I don't see other reviewers on UA-cam doing it, maybe for a reason.
Yes, regular viewers might notice these things but the average consumer looking to buy a car, it helps the video stand out.
I absolutely agree...
Profits from the cheaper build costs go to the Corporation, they were never intended to be passed on to the consumer
Glad to see nobody complaining that it is made in Mexico... I test drove the Golf (in Mexico it has a 1.4 TSI) and it is a great drive!
The VW plant has been in Mexico for over 20 years and the workers have a lot of experience. Germans who have driven the North American marketed version said it's actually slightly better made than the one coming out of Wolfsburg.
I don't mind the car being made in Mexico, I am Mexican. And most people don't really know how many Cars are actually made in Mexico, and from most major manufacturers.
I've already complained about it many times. They make it in Mexico to save money yet the cars not any cheaper to buy. I'm not saying it's a worse car because it's made in Mexico but I'd still prefer a German car to actually come from Germany.
go and buy audi a3 dont complain
+klavier285 would you be happy to pay 15k extra?
for 600$ you can do an APR tune
Matthew Gibson Yeah and that tune will apparently give you all wheel drive
Ely YDG lol wut ^
Or for 400 do a JB4 and not void the warranty.
@@Blesstheautmn Wow. That went right over your head...
whorutothink it was sarcasm
Motormouth is a Canadian channel so prices are in CAD which at this time is about 0.75USD. Keep that in mind
one thing I love about mine is you don't see them!!haha I'll see a hundred of the same cars, mustangs, Chevy cameros, Corollas. This is a great car. Sport package Se GTI 👍
Mk6 owner here. I love to drop the hammer around cars that cost 3x as much and leave them in the dust!
Has it been reliable? I’m thinking about getting one but seeing varied reviews on reliability...
@@johnmontana8540 i have mk6 gti stage 2 it is worth it and reliable, always fun to drive :D
leonN1337 Thanks for the input, Leon 😊
leonN1337 hi how much should I pay for a 2010 clean title, 150,000 mile
4:10 is where he starts saying why you shouldn't buy. Price is the reason.
(2019). A Golf R (new) Goes for around 11k more than a Golf GTI S (new)
It really depends where you live, in socal where I live the Golf R has a market value increase of $12,500, which brings it to about $54k-$55k, a lot more than the ~24k I paid for my GTI sport.
I have a '16 GTI basically fully loaded with Performance Package, Dynamic Chassis Control, and Lighting Package (with a manual transmission).
Every single option except the Drivers Assistance Package (which I did NOT want). It MSRPed for like $34,865, but I leased it. THIS is when it makes sense to go with the GTI over the R.
My lease deal is $399/month, NO money down, tax included in the lease, and the full wheel/tire insurance package included free.
If I was to have gotten a similarly-equipped Golf R, it would have been WELL over $100-200 more a month.
Further, you can't get the Golf R with a sunroof, and that's an absolute deal-breaker for me.
I drove the Golf R extensively when I was searching for my new car, and I could have afforded it if I wanted it. However, I just didn't see the point in spending the substantial amount of money on my lease for a car that wasn't that much better than my GTI. Plus, as i said, I need a sunroof.
I'd make the same decision again.
I think the cost of ownership will be a lot better with the GTI, cheaper on gas and no AWD complexity.
Jeff K Not only that, but with the Performance Package's electronically-controlled mechanical limited-slip differential, virtually all the main benefits of going AWD over FWD are met. Torque steer is virtually eliminated, and the car handles better in both good and poor weather.
Cars in Canada are bit more pricier than the states.
In early January I leased a GTI SE without performance or lighting for 370/month for 36/12K with no money down. I got $5000 off the sticker of that car, then calculated the lease. It was the last day of the sales year deal. Granted, my state unfortunately charges full car-value sales tax on a lease. But still, the car you got would have cost $450+. How in the world did you get that deal? What state are you in?
Not at all. Our dollar is just worth less. If you were to buy a car in Canada using US funds you'd probably save money.
I bought a 2013 GTI. 3 years later and 21k the clutch blew up. Had to replace the clutch disc, pressure plate and flywheel. They claimed I abused it. I met the mechanic who took it apart and he showed me the parts and he said I did nothing to it, that they've been coming from the factory like this right and left. Cost me 2k+ in repairs. I will never, ever own a VW again.
All cars are prone to shit defects or shit engineering from the factory. Speaking as someone who worked as a professional mechanic for the better part of the decade, you will never find a brand that is flawless.
Like others, I have to disagree with this review on how they price these in the US. True, paying sticker on a loaded GTI is close in price to a base R, but VW dealers will negotiate and have sales fairly often on GTIs, unlike Rs, where you can hope to pay MSRP at best in most cases. I bought a '16 Autobahn GTI DSG PP LP for $31K and for the quality that price seems about a right. Seriously, the interiors are much nicer than comparable Subarus and Fords.
Whaaaat here in Germany the normal GTI (2017 new facelift model) starts at basically 30.000€ without options, which can easily bring you to 37.000+
The reason why the performance package is worth it is the Limited Slip Differential. But he is right about a few things: 2Dr, manual, and any color other than silver.
Geez Canada sucks. The pricing of these cars up there is so out of whack I don't blame you for not recommending it. Down here in the states there's a MUCH bigger gap in price between the GTI and the R, which is to be expected. My GTI had a sticker just under 28k(4 door base model with manual and lighting package) and I got the car for around 24k. But base level 2 doors here start at about 24k and 4 doors start at around 26k. And the Rs start a hair under 40k. Big differences than what you guys have to deal with up there...
38k for a GTI?! What?! Can you buy in the US and drive it over?
its not even 38k lol. i got my 2017 GTI Sport with Performance and lighting for 27k. The Autobahn (Top of line GTI) is only 34 without discounts
you're talking 3 door though right?
Sean Roberts Who? Me? The # of doors dont matter when it comes to car sales.
Number of doors affects price, the 5-door starts at 34k in Canada, 3-door starts at like... 28 or 29 I think?
Sean Roberts Yeah... i think thats a different GTI Model. The Autobahn is 34k in the US with 4 doors. and the GTI sport is 27 with 4 doors. 2 doors doesnt change the price here. Only the transmission or any "Packages" (Lighting, performance, etc)
I have a fully maxed out MK6 GTI Drivers Edition (1 of 2500). It has the pano roof, 5 doors, DSG, Performance Pack, Floormats, Cargo pack, Autobahn package, etc. Bought it in 2013 for 28,880. Such a damn good car for the price. But *now* a base GTI is 28k that's insane. Also dead *reliable* , not a problem even with my "spirited" driving style.
Math Check. I have a 2016 5dr PP / Autobahn / DSG /DCC and leather that stickered at $34.5, and I paid $32.5. The Golf R was $42.5 and no discounts. And, I couldn't find one configured /painted how I wanted. So the price delta in the real world wasn't $2K it was $10K. Almost a year down the road, sure, I would have loved the R but I love my GTI as well. The DCC really works, and saved me the cost of an aftermarket set of Koni Sports. The DCC shocks say 'Monroe" but the adjustable part in the shock body is actually made by Ohlins. If you race, you are likely familiar with Ohlins at about $4K per set. The only mods I've made are a dogdone bushing for $40 and Achtuning (shameless plug) installed it for free - while I waited, and a Neuspeed 25mm rear sway bar I installed to get better rotation. I also got a set of Neuspeed RSe05 Wheels and 235/40-18 Bridgestone RE71s and a custom alignment for autocross. So all in with aftermarket wheels, RSB and suspension setup I'm still $7500 under the R.
Bought mine in June 2016 in New Jersey USA. I choose the S with DSG and plaid seat.
After tax and everything else, i paid $24k out of the door. ($4k dealer discount and $1k VWoA discount)
Prior to this, i had 9 different VWs, 5 of them were GTIs. being with VW credit for the last 16yrs, gets me good preference by any dealers go to and yes, discounts too.
I bought an Autobahn version of the GTI over the Golf R because, at least in the US, the Golf R doesn't come with a sunroof. Deal breaker. The FWD is fine.
Sunroofs suck ass for anyone who is tall. I hate them and specifically want cars NOT to have them as standard equipment.
Maestro_T well it's a good thing that you can buy a car without a sunroof! Hooray freedom!
My point is that in many cars, or many trim levels, you are forced to have one whether you like it or not, so those cars get struck off my list too, but for an actual physical reason. What do you like so much about them anyway? I had a car with one, I almost never used it. The only reason I can think why they would not put it in the R is that it adds weight to the roof, which is specifically what you don't want to be doing in a sporty car for handling and acceleration reasons. That said, all competitors would have it as an option, so it doesn't make much sense.
Bought a '17 Autobahn and the front differential definitely makes it seem less like a fwd tham normal. No Torque steer which blew mr away!
I've searched everywhere and only found 3 golf R's that are manual at dealerships and they are marked up. 38 grand. The gti's are all 24 grand and under. Think its a pretty big price difference.
I bought the 2016 base 2 door GTI with 6 speed manual. Had it weighed on a digital scale with a half tank of gas, 2,940 lbs. Price was $28, 500 including freight and PDI. Saved money and weight by getting the base model. At this price it is a performance bargain.
As a 2016 Golf R owner, I agree with Motormouth Canada. However, here in the states, you can get a GTI for much less than a Golf R. For less than a grand, you can tune your GTI to nearly the level of HP of the stock Golf R. The front drive system of the GTI is superior to that of other comparable front-drive performance cars and has less torque steer and better traction. If you can afford the Golf R, buy it, but if it is out of reach pricewise, go for the GTI with a tune and you'll be able to keep up with a stock R. I wasn't satisfied with the stock HP of the Golf R so I didn't hesitate to get the APR Stage 1 tune which turned the R into a beast.
Click bait spoiler, if you didn't say buy the Golf R if would of thumbs down this vid. Great fair and accurate review.
I bought my 2015 4 door GTI with the DSG and lighting package for $25k brand new.
I'm in the DC/MD/VA area, and a lot of dealers are starting to put no-haggle prices on the internet for Autobahns with Performance pack and an MSRP of around 36,500 (+/-) for high 27k area. At that price, and the fact they're not really budging much on the R's around here, the GTI is still the right one to buy. ;)
My 2016 GTI 3 door 6 speed performance pack, no lighting package cost 23K here in the states
You really drove your point home in your intro when you mentioned the Golf R three times in your list of competitors to the GTI. Also, you can bargain down the price of a GTI, unlike the R. BTW, I own a '16 Golf R and love it.
I got my 2016 GTI Autobahn Performance Package with lighting pack and manual for $27000 USD. The dealers are hungry and willing to deal right now. I love this car because it just feels like a quality car and is an incremental improvement in most areas over my 2016 Focus St3.
It sucks that the GTI is so expensive in Canada. Here in the USA I would have to pay about $10,000 more to get a Golf R that is similarly equipped as my GTI. For 2k more I would totally get an R.
I am jealous you guys get the larger infotainment screen. I wish I could order the larger screen from a Canadian scrap yard or something.
I'll add my 2 cents...
you can get the ”sport” trim which includes the performance and lighting packages for around $26k or $29k out the door. Added bonus of cloth tartan seats that don't get hot in the summer or cold in the winter. I also didn't want or need a sunroof so the sport trim was the best option for me.
The sport trim is truly the best bang for the buck. It ended up being a easy $10k less than the base R. Even in the used market mk7 R is stuck in the mid 30's before taxes and dealer fees.
I'm very happy with the Sport trim. and hope this post helps those in the market for a new GTI.
I bought a new 2017 GTI Autobahn with PP.. window sticker was about $37k, but I got it for about $31k. You definitely don't have to pay sticker for GTI. Conversely, the R I was looking at had a sticker of $42k, and that's about what I would have paid. So, there's really about a $10k difference in the GTI vs the Golf R, as opposed to the $2k you say in this video.
That was pretty much only an issue in 2015/16 where a Fully specd out GTI was within 3k to a base R. Which is almost loaded.
Now... A loaded GTI is 8k less than the base R.
Thanks for all the feedback and I couldn’t agree more. My story is the same my 2016 GTI autobahn was my dream car after driving VW brand new and used for more than 30 yrs my GTI needs a new clutch at 25k of soft driving I am 59 yrs old not doing hole shots..the extended warranty 3-36k bumper to bumper VW customer care extra warranty will not cover this obviously defective product. Thanks VW you lost another customer? So anyone and anyone I know will hear this story about their lack of customer support So sad...
Pls put the links in description.. ppl watching on mobile are not able to directly go and see all other videos of Golf cars from you !
Awesome Advice. The Golf R is an immaculate awesome.
Thumbs up for suggesting it with a manual. Like the MINI Cooper and Corvette, the GTI feels it's lacking something with an automatic. I got mine with the manual and it makes it a LOT more fun. Also, having driven manuals for almost 8-9 years, this one is VERY easy to use, the clutch is the way a performance car should be: light and quick to engage. Even in the 105-degree Texas sun after a long day at work, the manual is easy to use and is quite flexible. The car seems to chug along well in almost any gear! Can't say that about BMW or MINI!
LOL when you said "Audi-like". The VW Group own Audi and having driven an A6, I can say the plastic looks and feels the same so I think the materials used for the plastic are the same going into their $50,000 Audi models too.
Here in Europe, we buy Skodas or Seats to get the VW Group technology cheaper. VW is kinda squashed between these and Audi.
I agree that the manual transmission is the better choice. In the US the price of a GTI ranges from around $26K to $36K if you get the Autobahn edition with DSG. While the Golf R ranges from just over $40K or $41K with the DSG. That means for US buyers the difference in cost between a GTI and Golf R is between 5 to 14 thousand dollars. How come the difference is only $2000 in Canada?
Yeah but the R isn't as light, efficient or as comfortable
It's heavier by a couple hundred pounds, yes. But that is completely irrelevant when you have another almost 80hp. Efficiency wise, you're talking 2 mpg. Big whoop. And "comfortable"... it's more refined, has nicer seats, and a much more high end interior than the GTI. The points you just gave aren't very strong, and I can go on all day about how much more potential an R has over the GTI performance wise.
Good luck taking a gti up a ski field
Great, honest review. I've always been a Honda guy and have never owned a German designed / manufactured vehicle, but I hear they are very refined and fun to drive. But the Golf "R" sure looks interesting! Wow!
Its hard to like Honda these days, they have totally lost their way.
Don't. German cars are Rube-Goldberg engeering disasters.
I live in NY and purchased a 2016 GTI SE w/ Perf Pack and Lighting Pack in a manual trans and paid $31k. At the time I ordered my car (which was May 2016) the R was not available w/ sunroof or manual trans and was around $38k. A $7k difference and NOT what I wanted. The Pirelli tires they put on the GTI are terrible. My winter/sport Michelin Alpins out perform in winter AND summer. Those with the addition of an APR stage 1 software and intake will SMOKE an R. And all for around $2.2k.
Since when does it come with the bigger nav screen??
OR!
if you want a bang for your buck, get a TSI ComfortLine with Lightning Package and put it APR Stage 1
it gets 240HP and 285lb-ft of torque
if the Golf R used regular gas like the GTI does i'd get it, but like many have said it won't be often that i'd drive in a manner to fully use the R's capabilities so i prefer something that is more efficient for day to day driving..
In the states the r is about 8 grand more. Just get a GTI with a Eurodyne tune and you won't ever miss the awd.
And holy crap dude I paid 28 for a 4 door se with lighting package. They're screwing you guys up north. S starts at 22 or so. You got me with that title but down here the GTI is a steal.
I'm going to play off your clever title... ...GTI you shouldn't buy and definitely not Chip! This car with a modest APR chip will turn this into a GTI++. It's fun confusing, Challenger , Camaro, and even Ferrari owners.
Anyone who says unreliable, does not know what they're talking about. VW has come a long way in terms of reliability. Owned a few GTIs, an r32 and can tell you the current offerings are solid.
I'm on my 5th GTI now. Not due to reliability issues, but do to the love I have for the GTI itself. I only ever had 1 major issue with a 2012. that was because I bought it used and the idiot who owned it before me, ragged the poor thing to death. Other then that, everyone I have ever had new, has been awesome. Will never buy anything other than a GTI, except maybe the R
I see your point about the R except......... the R, from what I have read has engagement issues with the manual transmission and it has been said that the DSG is a better choice. Three pedal are a must. Plus I like a sunroof and 3 doors make the R a no go. Would make for a great winter car or in Vancouver where it rains so much a daily driver. Always enjoyed Zachs reviews and perspective.
Agreed. The Golf GTI is like $3-4K less than an R once optioned. My GF has a base model similar to what you are in and it's a good value. Anything more and not so much.
Why is the GTI so much in Canada as compared to the Golf R? A low end GTI can be had for just over 20k here and 40k+ for the Golf R.
As an owner of a mk7 gti, I can say that it is not the top of the gti category. The golf r is the best model. However, to get the r, you have to spend much more than just 2 grand for the r. Since the r is considered the "race model" it has much more quirks and features that the base model doesn't have. Giving that hefty price tag.
I respect your opinion but I don't share it you forgot to mention many other things this car has to offer.
Hes saying that if you are looking at the 5 door model just get the golf r.
The golf R is 8-10K more buddy. My gti was purchased new by the first owner for 40K, a new golf R sits on the lot for $51K.
The Golf R in the USA is like 10 grand more than the top GTI with similar equipment... Canadian pricing seems very odd.
all good except dealers are selling the golf r for much higher than msrp
I truly agree, by experience. I purchased the GTI a few months ago, with performance package upgrade. Love everything but I regret not going all the way. I will trade it in for the 2018 R for sure!
Don't forget that a VW dealer (atleast in the US) will easily come off sticker price on a GTI but won't budge a dime on the R.
Great review as always
In the states, there's also some dealers discounting significantly- anywhere from 5-6500k off sticker
Get the base model GTI DSG, and get a JB1/JB4, and the car feels so much more better, like it should.
I think this is a good video, but a bit biased towards the Canadian market. In the U.S California to be specific I recently leased mine at a total cost $20,568. The MSRP on 2dr manual is about $26,000. I've really enjoyed mine and have been around GTI since the Mark II days.
Wait. This guy is saying 28ish for the three door and 34ish for the 5 door? That's 6 grand more for the 5 door. In the states it 600 more for the 5 door. That can't be right. So I just checked and the reason for the giant difference in the two models is that in canada you cannot get a base 5 door. You have to get the "autobahn" version which adds like 5 or 6 grand. What a horrible omission from the canadian gti line up.
Shame we can't get the 3dr Golf R in Canada
Video is outdated. Delete and redo. All models are much cheaper now. As an example, I bought a brand new 2017 Golf GTI Autobahn DSG & DCC for $30K o.O
Did you buy it in the states?
you also have to spend more per tank to fuel it with premium gas for the Golf R tho..
Both take premium
No, GTI can take Regular or Premium. I never use Premium in my Performance 2017 with no problems. US mileage ratings use Regular. VW says that HP may go down slightly ( - going on 5th year now.) - not detectable).
2017 GTI can take trailer hitch (Golf R - not recommended). Trunk larger in GTI, In Canada R not available with sunroof, no fog lights, R is a gas hog compared to the GTI. R's 19 inch wheels give a very rough ride.
GTI S manual+PP...You don't really need anything more
Get the lighting package as well. Here in the US i got an S 2dr manual LP PP for $25300
No electronic front diff? Makes a huge difference.
Is it boring, like every other golf Gti before it?
obviously it's silly to get the GTI totally optioned out for a price that comes close to the R. however, i got a 2 door 6spd base S model for $26,061 after everything was said and done. and for $26k... absolutely worth it.
Everyday driver says the R is not worth it. they prefer the driving experience of the gti performance. I'll have to keep researching maybe schedule some test drives. I will be buying a stick (gotta have three pedals)
Problem with Golf R is its exclusivity. The GTI Autobahn can be had for very steep discounts if you look around while the Golf Rs price will never budge. In fact, I have seen it selling for higher than MSRP because they can get it. I have seen $42- $43K for the R while the Autobahn GTI can be had for $32-33K . In the real world its not a $2K difference but more like $8-10K if look around.
here in germany, a base GTI starts at 29500 EURO and the Golf R about 10k EURO more. So there IS a difference.
Yes - I ordered my GTI performance pack in April and received it in June. I was looking at the Golf R, and even when I fully optioned out the GTI (DSG, big nav, DCC, leather, all assistance stuff, kessy, etc.), it was only SLIGHTLY more expensive than a base R with DSG. With the "necessary" (for me) options, the R would have been about 5K-6K Euro more expensive than the fully loaded GTI. So I had the choice "GTI with everything, or R with AWD, a bit more performance and nicer headlights but less options for 5K more?". I chose the GTI, since the added performance and AWD is not really worth it during daily driving, I'd rather have more luxury options. GTI with performance pack is fast enough.
I would agree if you're looking to buy the Autobahn but if it's not in your price range the performance pack S model or SE model is MORE than efficient.
was looking to get the GTI but for my money I got the vw golf wagen and I love it!! black exterior and black 18" wheels!
As a GTI owner in the U.S. My MK7 GTI S 4dr. DSG with light package & DCC was about $10K less (including dealership fees and taxes) than the R I would of choose. While I'm throwing in my $0.02 I would say +PP is unnecessary for the average driver. Unless you plan on tracking the car you don't really need it.
Zack, you are the best car reviewer ever. Really appreciate your videos. Thanks much.
what is the best year of the gti to buy because I am trying to get it as a first car.
Great review Zack!
Here in the USA, the base GTI at about $25k is the way to go. With all the expensive options added to it, its just not a good value. Not to criticize the reviewer, but in my opinion, the comparison being made here between the GTI and R is not valid. The fully loaded GTI w/perf. pack would be closest in price to a base Golf R. In that comparison, I would agree and just spend the extra cash for the base Golf R. But a Golf R with any big option packages pushes the price way up, and then you start talking about Audi S3 quattro territory.
exactly. I have a base GTI without any options and it's perfect
This is a Canadian review. The Golf R here comes almost fully loaded save one measly package, so the reviewers argument is indeed valid.
Yup, great valid points, thanks !
Your point about the price is understandable if you are only looking at buying NEW. But when buying used there is a huge price difference. Used R's are still going for 38-40k with 20-40,000km on them. I bought my used 2016 GTI PP with 23km on it for 32k. I'm sorry but for an 8k difference I can buy the car and do almost all mods I want to the GTI and come in around 40k.
Well for the reason you said many dealers intend to sell Autobahn model (the full end one) way below MSRP here in United States. I got mine for around $31k USD
Most GTIs I see on streets are actually Autobahn model
How did you get plaid seats in the se? Im assuming its the se because i see auto headlights and a sunroof...
second hand golf r from 2016 costs around 25 thousand euros, which is a great price for the car you get
But i'd still buy a GTI for a lot less
I believe the canadian prices are different. from USA. Got my GTI well under 30k with 4 door, DSG, and lighting pack. The Golf R here is on average 6-8k more than your standard fully loaded GTI
I've also heard that dealerships don't budge on the price of the Golf R and you can get a pretty good discount on the GTI now.
You mention that it is a perfect commuter car. Can the same be said for the R, or are there more comprises to driver comfort and slow speed driving(i.e traffic jams and slow town driving)?
I knew Zack was going to say Golf R as the reason no to buy; in fact my argument is either the base GTI or the Golf R. Anything in the middle isn't worth it.
yup, the best value is the GTI S
I love my 2016 Golf R, just as I loved my 2015 Golf R. I had a 2013 GTI Driver's Edition and it was a great car as well.
2,950 lbs as well, less than the loaded 5 doors
Good Info man. Cheers.
The difference between the 2016 4-dr, 6-spd GTI Autobahn with PP, LP, DCC that I bought cost more than $10K less than an R. Not $2K!!! And I'm quite sure about that--I priced it out at 4 dealers. Granted, I got a great deal on my car. But still, most markets charge premiums for Rs.
I still dont understant why they put a "normal" parkingbreak in the American modesl of the Golf 7.....
Starts at 42k€ here in Finland. PP is another 1k€ extra. Neither cars have any options. Golf R starts at over 50k€ here. But for some strange reason the R is more popular here. Ive driven the R and own a GTi 7. Prefer the feel the GTi gives over the R.
Weak, VW didn't go the extra mile to make the right-side wheels directional. They simply re-used the left side wheels to cut costs.
Doesn't the performance version have another front differential?
Yes !
These things just don't make sense anymore with how expensive they are getting. Maybe if they made the Performance pack standard at the base price. At the end of the day I'm not paying 35k for a Golf. The Focus ST is priced just a little more sensibly especially since it has fewer options, but even that's a bit much and that car's interior is horrific.
just get a 3 year old one like i have just done, £15,000 off list price and all the bells and whistles, inc. auto-parking!
Hmmm, I is this pricing unique to Canada? There's a good $10k price difference between a well optioned GTI (Autobahn) and R here in the US.
I paid $20,042 (USD) for a brand-new, 2018 GTI. A Golf R would be $34k absolute minimum, zero dealers have incentives on them. I like the R, but not at ~14k over the price I paid.
I live in Dominican Republic, here the GTI cost the same as in Canada, 38k, same price for the BRZ, Miata. Don't know why but the Mustang are too expensive for me, the V6 cost 43k, the ecoboost cost 47k and the GT cost 60k, same price for the Audi S3, don't know about the Golf R. But i agree the GTI to get is the base GTI maybe one with the PP and DSG. If the Golf R in Canada cost 2k more then go for the Golf R. The BMW M2 cost 80k, the other cars in the list a lot more expensive.
In Colombia or Argentina don't remember the GTI cost 60k so figure out the other cars.