Believing what you know ain't so
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2015
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My own recordings of this speech were accidentally lost or deleted during our tour of the South Pacific. Fortunately, the New Zealand Association of Humanists and Rationalists had five cameras of their own and allowed me to mirror their edition. This was at the University of Auckland New Zealand on the 10th of March 2015, while en route to Australia for the Unholy Trinity Down Under tour.
These discussions do convince Christians and Creationists to let go of delusion and grasp onto reality. Myself, my husband, and my children all now understand evolution and how religion has it very very wrong. I was a firm believer for over 32 years. But I was able to walk away. Ashamed of believing? Yes. But so very relieved that I had the confidence to let it go and see reality for the first time in my life.
slavik k
Do you need someone to talk to? Do you feel 'stupid', Slavik? Do you feel as if there's something wrong with you? Why don't you lay back and tell me all about it.
John Carboni
You comment has nothing to do with my post. Try again please.
John Carboni
Ok so your comment just showed yourself as Christian. You said, "Tickle our ears." That is a Christian comment so your opinion is very ironic since wanting to believe you live after you die is a very emotional belief system.
John Carboni
Oh I'm sorry I gave you the impression that I knew nothing about the Bible. Please go to someone that knows less than you know. I even read the Tanakh in Hebrew. Goodbye.
John Carboni
You are confusing living with life. Living is the images and thoughts appearing in consciousness.They come and go, ultimately no more real than a dream. Life is the indwelling presence, the unchanging absolute. You call this God.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The majority of Creationist vs. Atheist debates can be summarized as:
Atheist: (states facts and logic)
Creationist: That sounds stupid.
That's Kent Hovinds modus operandi! Go watch "Hello My Name Is Kent Hovind" by logicked. Literally everytime he says something scientific he says its stupid before "disproving" it.
+CJCroen1393 Actually CJ I prefer Old Earth creationism.
Nick Carbaugh
I've seen those. Logicked is awesome! (sorry if I posted this comment before)
To be fair, I think atheists have objections of various levels of quality. To summarise mine: the case for any particular god I've considered is refuted by having done a whole lot of things that never could have happened and supported by absolutely nothing whatsoever; the case for any god at all is neither necessary nor sufficient for anything of any real value; and the entailed consequences of belief range from the morally repugnant to brutal authoritarianism and mass terror. Creationists' responses I have seen or received have amounted to anything from "I'm the victim of you not having the same thoughts as me, you're bullying me, I'm the victim", through "Poop to you, you're a poopoohead" to "I want to kill you now".
Also they tend to just quote bullshit bible verses when they know they have lost a debate
... I put it this way: *You can't change your mind if you don't have one.*
but you CAN make a dent in it...or a nick (with some people,,,,a scuff with others....)
@@raysalmon6566 why were the likes even relevant?
@@raysalmon6566 that's not what I asked u
@@raysalmon6566 it doesn't work that way. If you think you can give irrelevant answers to questions that weren't asked then you were implicitly admitting you have comprehension problems
@@raysalmon6566 Neither ad hominems nor does denial justify lack of comprehension. But tell me more again about how you know how I think better than I do
I applauded with the audience at the end.
Clear, concise, engaging, well spoken, with a dash of wit. That's a good recipe for an entertaining speech.
Jason Smith Yeah...real original. Don't agree with a persons ideas - compare them to Hitler. You hit Godwin's law pretty early, didn't you?
Jason Smith When Aron Ra mentioned the part about how Creationists care more about emotional belief rather than the truth, did you feel a little angry for being pointed out?
(if you watched the video at all)
Cosmic Rogue I disagree with him, that makes me able to think for myself. Your passive aggressive attitude is bitter. Besides, where in my statement did I compare anyone to Hitler? Or.. did you compare Aron Ra to my statement, and come to the conclusion that he is like Hitler? Or will you grow up, and ask for clarification as to whom I was referring to?
***** Interesting Nick. Did you feel angry, and ready to lash out against someone like me? After all, where did I attack you, or refute Aron Ra? Did I say he was wrong or right? Did I curse his name, or declare him a fool, or amazing? I don't remember directly saying anything in relation to him at all. Perhaps I was calling him Charismatic, as pre-Nazi Hitler was, and then make a passive-joke comparing Hitlers campaign to a Scooby Doo reference such as, "If it weren't for you meddling kids, and your dog!" But of course, you'll have rhetoric, because of your hypocritical anger as a (I'll assume since you brought up religion in a negative light) Religion hating Bigoted Atheistic self. Perhaps I'm wrong, and you thought it funny to mock people that hold different views from yourself, which is exactly how you structured your attack against me, in which I regret having responded to you... because I'm sure you didn't mean to be a bigot, or a jerk, or even passive aggressive like another I responded to. Have a beautiful day.
That was a decent bait attempt. Though the line 'If it weren't for those pesky Jews' clearly makes your neutral statement comparative and thus offensive.
I know it was something of a throwaway line, but "when you're determined to reject something, you'll use any excuse that works" is such an excellent phrase.
"We don't accuse them of using reason" love that line :)
All non-theistic worldviews necessarily entail that rational thought is not possible. Seriously.
Münchhausen's Trilemma covers why.
"Believing what ain't so" should be considered a mental problem. Sure sounds like a detachment from reality to me.
Believing what ain't so? Does that include premises or theories? Does it include children ? How many theories were proven false...how many of those who wrote it were medicated for believing what wasn't so?
Ryan Tollmann I wish I could flag you for "Infantile Stupidity".
JF_Sebastian Like nothing exploding, and creating everything? Like the universe has always existed? Like man was created by aliens? Like life came from an alternate dimension of many universes? Like time travelling humans who created man? Like something coming from nothing < my favorite :D
Jason Smith Get an education and some experience before speaking please.
JF_Sebastian I express no belief system, yet you tell me to get education, and some experience? Are you a liberal, by chance? No, liberals aren't idiots that spout nonsense, and would have laughed at an ill-conceived, and obvious troll. But you are different. You attack people personally with no knowledge of whom they are. You are an abuser, a bigot, a fool, and hate those that offer literally anything contrary to your apparent belief system. I would reasonably believe you are an evolutionist, and an ardent one at that, simply because you attacked my educational level, and life experience because I asked a series of questions meant for nothing more than a sideways jab to be funny. However, if you wish for an actual argument, here it is. "Steven Hawking invented the Multiverse theory on a whim, because he found holes in the Evolutionary Theology of the founding of the Universe, and its extremely precise way of being mathematically within the perfect margins for life. Richard Dawkins on the other hand, admitted that nobody is convinced of the beginning of the universe, except those that don't have degrees who call themselves arm-chair scientists, and thus hypothesized that life came from other planets. Hence my use of the question, "Like man was created by aliens." I would assume you think my reference to this would be grays, like the crazies would scream. So unless you slander me further through groundless accusations, Dawkins was referring to the following, "... life was most likely carried here in some form, probably by a celestial body from outside our solar system..."
Aron, you are the atheist's atheist. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
And now he is the president of AA of A (Athiest Alliance of America) ! Great man of our time
Should run for president.
@@Weissman111 he won't win. Only half of Americans will even consider voting for an atheist, and even then, most of those who are willing to vote for an atheist are not more willing to vote for an atheist, so at best, only 25% would vote for him. Besides, he would likely run as a Democrat, and Democrats are less likely to vote based on party while Republicans typically vote based on party, which is why despite there being more Democrats, Republicans can still win elections without any issues.
@@sovietbot6708 Of course he won't win. *THAT'S EXACTLY THE REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT!* .......
@@WilbertLek He's too morally good to be president.
New Zealand didn't send us Ray Comfort (I know, it was a joke). Ray, had he really cared about "saving souls", would have stayed in the far less Christian New Zealand, but he instead chose to come to the far more lucrative USA. It's all about the almighty dollar.
Yeah I watch him alot and his commandments he mention were not called the ten commandments. They were used to control the lives of Israeli slaves to make their lives free of sin.
And that's one of the reasons how we KNOW Ray knows better but does it all for the money...
@@WilbertLek
True enough - or at very least, he doesn't CARE if it is true or not.
Apparently there are not enough bananas in NZ to make Ray stay.
@@smashexentertainment676
That's because god did not intend for Humans to live there, so he didn't give them bananas! 😀
A Christian tried to claim to me that because the word Hades is in the bible, then the Greek god Hades is real and so are all the other ones. I never facepalmed so much in my fucking life.
Well it actually speaks of the place Hades , which we all know is ruled by Pluto, so it's the Roman gods that are real :)
Termin warwager Pluto is basically Hades with a Roman spin. :P
You mean sheol? A place of torment exists. Doesn't mean pagan gods do.
Web1point0 I never said a pagan god actually exists in reality.
tnatna123 Hades is Greek for Hell. That alleged Christian is ignorant, and is not a Christian, but loves to call himself one. Even the Bible translates this word, so mistakes like this don't happen. However, Jesus, and God declared that the gods of this world are in fact real. They will be called upon to defend their followers, and will in fact condemn them to their faces. ".... even the rocks will declare the Lord your God..."
I watch your videos, and listen to Mat Dillahunty and the Atheist Experience when I can and think, "I am not alone". Thank you for what you do. Keep fighting the good fight.
Mark Botirius **hugs**
Here is the link to the Q&A.
ua-cam.com/video/2ikQt8hzQeo/v-deo.html
Thanks for another great video. Keep up the good work.
Most excellent!
It's preferable because their social support web supports it.
Thanks for uploading these great videos! If i'm allowed to leave a tip i would like to propose a speech on "danger"; in these modern times i think it's important to not only talk about how factually wrong religion is, but also how dangerous religion can be (and has, in fact, become, lately). I live in Europe and islamic violence is on the rise like a storm here. I really think it's very important that people such as yourself, who are in a position to be heard, spread that message! I think the question should be addressed to religious people of all creeds "would you even mention god or Heaven to your child if you could foresee him grow to become an extremist? Or would you still indoctrinate him at the expenses of future innocent blood?". This is a question that demands courage and it's what they must answer to us, so we can really evaluate how much religion itself is to be blamed for extremism.
Awesome talk, I really appreciate this.
Great talk. The human brain's capacity for error never ceases to amaze me.
AronRa for world president.
Brilliant idea!!! He would get my vote. Cheers.
This is brilliant. =),
A Christian classmate told me that my way of thinking about life, the universe and everything (see what I did there =P ) scared the living crap out of him. It is quite possible that he chose to believe in his fairytale because the alternative was too scary for him to handle, unlike another classmate who was really a creationist (yes, we actually have a few of them here in 85-90 % non-believing Sweden). During a course at university, out of a class of sixteen people, four were some form of Christians and that is the largest group of Christians I've ever met outside of church.
Pile of carbon Can I live there? 😺
Damn your whole country is going to hell.
Thank you for presenting facts on fact evasion. This gets into psychology of how Godsters operate and defend the mystical.
Respect, Aron. Much respect. Thank you!!
atheists in texas must have it very difficult
U just dont know
ericsbuds
Atheists in the USA, in general, have a tough time. It sucks.
@@Chief2Moon Why read it when someone else can cherry pick what it says in order to provide you with an incorrect modern interpretation?
@Jesus Christ Glorified Look, someone who has never heard of Martin Luther, the protestant revolution, or of the simple idea of church denominations.
@Jesus Christ Glorified Orthodox does not mean original, it means normal or usual. The othodox church is not the orriginal church, and would have horrified the first christians. My point is that all of those people have the same claim to the accuracy of their beliefs. None. That the church had been around so long before, but now most christians have adopted the views of Martin Luther or the reformed catholic church, further proves my point.
AronRa, I am trying to go to sleep, why would you post something and force me to be up later?
_Unfortunately_, I encountered some fundamentalists who fit *every* description Aron made about them *to a T*.
If man came from dirt, why is there still dirt?
*_ARONRA ENCOURAGES BIBLE READING!_*
35:58 "The best way to become an atheist is to read the bible."
36:03 "The best way to parody the religious position is to let them speak for themselves."
Rey Nahpets
It’s not like Christians ever do it. C;
I absolutely recommend it. The bible is to the US now what Mein Kampf was to the Third Reich back in the 1940s. Everyone had it, nobody has read it and had more people read it and seen just what kind of incredibly stupid bullshit is said in there, a lot more people would have turned from that idiocy and a lot of trouble could have been avoided.
Rey Nahpets
And the best way to become a Christian is read Darwin's origin of species.
John H
I have read it. It's a bit outdated, but it still didn't convince me that a delusion is closer to reality.
0x777
Even worse is the descent of man. Darwin's theories also fall under scrutiny. Among them
Vestigal organs.
Blacks.
The human cell.
The appendix.
I relate to this guy a lot. When growing up I believed in all of the "ghostbuster" requirements. As I grew up and started to think about things critically I shifted from a blind believer to an agnostic. I do not dismiss the possibility, but the more I listen to atheist speeches the more absurd the religious reasoning seems.
I have tried rationalizing religious beliefs through science. I have dived into some of the most extreme beliefs using this train of thought and found that the more I question it the more I realize religious people are asking the wrong questions. Most hardcore religious people are vehemently insistent that we must believe God exists. I can jump straight past this argument by saying it is possible for God to exist and that I will neither confirm or deny his existence. Just throw them a bone and say for this debate we will assume that God does exist. Getting past this debate allows for the really interesting questions to emerge. If God created everything why did he do it? Why is God obsessed with mankind "worshipping" him? Certainly any being powerful enough to create an entire universe would not think twice about anything us mere mortals cared or believed in. Was God a 13 year old kid who created us in chemistry class as a science fair project? Why does God need Jesus to die a horrific death in order to forgive our sins? This line of questioning can go on and on. As you dive deeper and deeper into this line of thought it seems more and more that God is not the benevolent and loving deity that we are taught about as children, but rather a petty and tyrannical power-hungry overlord. Such a powerful being would not need to destroy mankind to get people to follow him... ...so why all of the bloodshed? When you ask yourself what good and evil really are and then hold God to those standards the character you find is not the character we were all taught about.
I do not deny that there are things in this world beyond our comprehension. If there is a God, a Devil, aliens, demons, angels, etc. I can not claim to know who they are, what their intentions are, etc. Thus being the case, why on earth would I worship such things? To me, that is the utter stupidity of it all.
I would suggest that the rise of creationism in the US is greatly attributed to the ever widening income gap between the rich and poor. People are more in fear today and thus turn to pretty thoughts - i.e. faith - to subdue or quell such fearful thinking. I, too, once felt a "need" to have faith in something I wasn't sure about. But, as time goes on, I am repelled more and more by wishful thinking. Because I know that nothing changes in my life unless I take action to change it. It's that simple.
It was in part because of my stint as a poorer person that i stopped believing. My family and i were always Christians untill my mom divorced my dad and he fell into poverty and i realized a perfectly good god wouldn't do this and i actually read the bible and realized this is bull crap
This is Marxist stuff.... Comrade?
It's funny because I had a long back-and-forth argument with a christian a couple of weeks ago about the topic of Chinese characters and the book of Genesis. There is a notorious book out there which makes the completely false claim that the ancient Chinese characters were deliberately designed as pictographic representations of the stories in Genesis. I happen to know a lot about the etymology of Chinese from a Master's degree in classical Chinese. I submitted a lengthy exposition in comments to a video made by a christian disseminating these same falsehoods to anyone who will listen, describing in great detail the kinds of "errors" of interpretation made in the book. I put "errors" in double quotes because these "errors" were obviously deliberate or at least committed without even slightly caring about what was actually true. There is a crippling problem operating here: christians are desperate to find any "evidence" they can to support their cherished beliefs. In the book in question, they think they have found a very juicy, comforting such piece of evidence. Like a dog with a bone, they don't want to give it up. If they actually CARED about The Truth, they would and could check my information and would quickly discover that it is accurate. However, most if not all of them, already demonstrating they are willing to cling to several other similar fantasies to make them feel good about their world, do NOT care if what they believe is false EVEN IF IT CAN BE PROVEN TO BE FALSE. They don't want to hear about it! This is SO SIMILAR to what Aron Ra is talking about in this video here. What I received in answer from the christian (Jack Flaws) was this response: "Thanks for taking the time for that long comment. But I'll have to set it aside because it takes God out of the picture." He, and the other christians here, will and do clearly demonstrate to one and all that they don't care if what they believe is UNTRUE as long as it makes them feel good. They are on a mission to purposefully delude themselves (and anyone else they can succeed in brainwashing) and languish in their own made-up fantasy universe. And theists like them don't stop at merely deceiving themselves--they allow their irrationality, their deliberate self-deception, and their fantasies to harm the rest of us, sometimes in small ways, sometimes in much worse ways. This kind of foolishness needs to stop. We see the fruits of this same sort of insanity on the evening news more and more these days.........
Who is this Canned Ham I keep hearing about?
Bob Owen
xD Ken Ham. Individual from Oceania who participated in a very popular debate with Bill Nye. Bill Nye stayed that evidence would change his mind. Ken Ham stated that nothing would change his mind.
Bob Owen
Ken Ham is mental spam.
Don't eat that Ham
it's rotten
Yes.
@@elephystry its like throwing peas at a wall dosent matter how many you throw at it none come through
I have been an Anglican priest for nearly 40 years, I have never met another priest that was not a firm believer in evolution.
TheOnlyOneKing Elvis how exactly does god and evolution go hand in hand
Brett Keefer it doesn’t really mater as long as they accept most of reality
@@rlfs2853 I am an atheist but have heard somewhat reasonable explanation. Reminder, I do not believe this.
God made the rules for this world, such as evolution and the laws of physics, and just let it run, like a coder watching a simulation.
@@rlfs2853 Why do they have to? It’s two different topics that don’t have to contradict each other. They deal with totally different things.
You're doing great work, Aron!
More power to the truth Aron Ra. ♡ thanks for all you do. :-)
Oh, snap! Aron went to New Zealand? Thanks for visiting.
"That's not evidence, that's just a bunch of paper!"
But... what's the Bible, Kent!?
There is no adherent apologist who will ever be honest or truthful.
My faith was called into question, ironically enough, when I took an apologetics course.
When I first began to leave the faith, I asked myself the question, “What would cause me to stop being a Christian?” I came to the conclusion that enough evidence would change my mind and I could, begrudgingly, walk away.
I’ve asked this question to several of my Christian friends and I’m so disheartened to hear their response to that question was “nothing”.
cloudsabove wrote "He says 'religious beliefs' around 13:20 but he's still talking about the Creationists"
Creationist beliefs ARE religious beliefs.
They are not scientific beliefs as there is not one ounce of science in any of their arguments.
First one of your videos I've watched. Marvelous! Having been watching Ray Comfort's videos with incredulity and a morbid curiosity, I was feeling kind of seasick, feeling that the world had tilted off its access.
This video has restored the balance. I am in equilibrium - thank you!
I have subscribed
Dave Stevenson may I suggest DarkMatter2525?
I find it highly unlikely that there was a "someone" who "created" the entire universe, and I need at least a plausible reason to even entertain that idea. If you want to sell me on your religion, you first have to get me past that point first. Literally millions have tried, all have failed.
Now, if you want to skip over that point and try to get me to believe there is a supernatural, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent being that cares for me and it is somehow important to him what I think, do, believe, care about, sleep with or give money to, this is not a shortcut for you, but makes your sales pitch even harder for me to buy.
Finally, the last gasp of this con-job is to try to convince me that I have to die to fully understand the fate this “someone” who “created” the universe has in store for me as punishment for my incredulity. This supernatural creator of the entire universe apparently has also created two options for my consciousness which will somehow survive my death. One option is eternal bliss if I but buy into this con-job, and the other is eternal torture if I don’t, but I have to die first to know whether this is all a lie, and I can never know if it is a lie as long as I am still above room temperature.
The fact that anyone ever fell for this really stupid con-job blows my mind and makes me wonder who ever started the rumor that humans are an intelligent species of animal, probably the same people who made up this god bullshit.
Parent: "THERE'S A MAN WITH A GUN!"
Police: "You're in Texas sir"
Texas moto is God guns glory!
It is a good thing that we have a fair degree of freedom in firearms ownership here in the US. There are too many criminals and gang members who are armed, and care nothing about the lives of others. We are alive today because I had the freedom to be armed and protect myself and my family from some violent gang members.
@@davelaneve2446 A lot of Texans are pro LGBT.
Liberty
God/Guns
Bible/Beer
Tits
I have a neighbor who's a nice guy but him and his family torment me by trying to save me, I've tried every way to be polite and tell him to leave me in peace. He drags me into debate about God yet he won't hear my words when I talk. It's got to the point I look out the window before I go out to see if he's around. I have a bad temper and I fear lose in it with him. Damn it's crazy a man can be tormented like this, I should be able to call the police shouldn't I? Now if someone trys handing me a religious paper I hiss PISS OFF. Crazy world crazy rules.
It's a form of control not just theist but some of these politicians, believe what I say or I'll make it miserable that you'll eventually say I'm correct whether you believe it or not just so you can go about your day. They get that dopamine high in someone affirming their knowledge.
There is an "emotional attachment" to many other beliefs, such as ideological beliefs.
This entire video is absolute gold. I've confronted many theists using these exact same points. It blows my mind that they won't even consider anything that contradicts their predisposed religious beliefs. That they would reject facts and reality and instead choose to live in a make believe fantasy world.
how is there a single dislike on this video
creationists
so glad the audio at the start went away when Aaron started talking :D
Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey: "One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my little nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. “Oh, no,” I said, “Disneyland burned down.” He cried and cried, but I think that deep down he thought it was a pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late."
AronRa starts at 2:00
Great talk. Love your content Aron.
An excellent presentation, thank you for providing such great content!
I am actually comfortable with the idea of eternal sleep (polite way of saying ceasing to exist) than to the nightmare of eternity. If you understand infinity, you'll realize you want nothing to do with this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity
This is not paradise... This is hell, compared to this you'd be begging for the christian version of hell.
Dekkren Kain Trust me, eternity already sounded shitty. No matter what it's spent doing.
djangoliscious101 I agree, your consciousness would be spread so thin across an infinite number of experiences that nothing would have any meaning.
Infinite life only sounds great to people who are scared of death. Living for eternity would be a nightmare that *LITERALLY* never ends. It is possible for infinite life. We for example may exist across infinite versions of all possible realities each time we die we go wake up in another version of our existence but at least if we die and start over on another version of said reality (this is just "for sake of argument") at least we forget our lives when we die and start over.
That's what I hypothesise happens, I think of our life being the first and only life as an illusion brought about by our desire to keep living. We're still made of subatomic particles and are thus subject to quantum mechanics even on a macro scale so maybe on a micro scale too. It's possible we live once out of all possible lives we can exist in or maybe live across them all. It doesn't really matter because these are unanswerable questions that can literally drive you mad. I'm not even kidding I spend WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY too much time trying to digest unsolvable existential crisis' like this all the time and it can be a strain on the mind that's very exhausting.
All I know is that the idea of eternal life is wishful thinking. I've provided a hypothetical way it can be done but even then it's not certain and even then it'd be a "each time is the first time" kind of deal that would be infinitely better than well, living infinitely without it ending. The kind of deal in the bible would be horrible. Eternity kissing the arse of a despotic cosmic horror that pretends to be an all knowing just uber being. I'd rather just die permanently when I die. Or go to hell then spend an eternity in a church service.
Demogorgon47 i used to think exactly the same,but i don't really care anymore since it's just a hypothesis, we'll never know even if this really is the case
When I was about 8 or 9 and understood the concept of eternity somebody pointed to me that that is a very long time in heaven. I realized that about halfway through you would have done everything and you would get bored. And you had eternity in front of you. It did not like it. At twelve I discarded the concept of a god and at about 18 I had the epiphany that there is no supernatural at all. I thought that reason would do that to everybody. Until I met the American way of thinking.
I am glad to being Dutch.
You know, I'm an atheist and what not but i could never get enough of any of these talks. Sometimes I feel like I'm a sit at home church goer just out for a laugh. But I truly want to understand why christians remain christians because ever since I was little (wether or not I knew anything aboutanything) I was able to catch on to the fact that believers don't believe becuase it makes sense, they only believe because it feels good. What I want to know is why, why why. Why do they do this? Doesn't everyone want to know the truth about anything? I mean seriously, doesn't everyone hate a batshit Liar.
I want to know that answer bad but I will probably be too busy with the rest of my life in the realm of physics becoming a full fledged geek. (Were I will probably be sacrificing my life in the same way monks and preists and nuns do, for the pursuit of greater knowledge)
Please try to put the word, "geek", into the trash, along with other pejoratives, such as, "pencil-neck", "Poindexter", "squint", and christ only knows what else.
You go RIGHT AHEAD with that physics degree... and if I may be so bold, have a look at astrophysics and cosmology because they are great fun ; I'm a biologist but a frustrated radio astronomer, so I am unabashedly pimping my thwarted ambition to you!
Enjoy! 😍
@@acerbicatheist2893 im a proud geek my dude. Want to be an engineer just own the lable and change its meaning
You've got this speech sharpened perfectly!
I wasn't quite sure what to think of Aron. I have never watched any of his videos in detail until this one. Sometimes you see what I like to call the "angry atheist" who likes to dole out obviously intended insults. I am glad to see that he can clearly articulate and argue a very well thought out point. He is deserving of recognition in my eyes. He reminds me of Sam Harris in a sense that they both share the gift of eloquent description.
To any non-believer that recognizes me, I am now a free thinker and proud to be one. I do not apologize for arguing with you as a Christian, but I do apologize for being an asshole.
Welcome to reality mate.
Quite a kick in the balls for creationists.
I'd almost say that you're indoctrinating the youth here in your own way, Were it not, that the arguments presented are so well grounded and accurate.
As long as the youth are indoctrinated into looking at evidence and coming to their own conclusion instead of listening to some pastor making outrageous claims of an omnipotent creator of everything who is going to punish you eternally because your ancestor talked to a snake.
you right, best way to become an atheist is read the whole bible. Yes I did and read a catholic bible with foot notes made by a priest who says Adam and Eve is just legend, only a poetic way to explain the origin of mankind... i started tho think : if he as a prist does not believe in the why should i believe ?
I also was once a Catholic...and met a priest who was startled by my request for more info on new testament claims. He told me, in private conversation, not to waste my time..."You know it's all nonsense," he said, very blandly, "whether Jesus did all that, what does it matter for us today?"
I asked him how a priest could hold such an opinion, and remain a priest. "I'm here to serve the believers," he explained, "they need someone to minister to them".
I began to read...first, The Trial of Jesus of Nazareth by SGF Brandon...after that many others including, most recently, The Illusion of God's Presence by John C Wathey.
Agreed same thing its filled with contradictions and bullshit
You do realize that “appeal to authority “ is a logical fallacy?
This is so great I had to watch it again! So many quotable statements of fact. Thanks for all you do Aron! Excellent work...
_I can do any goddamn thing I want..._
I kinda miss that outro song you used, Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Anything.
THE IMPECCABLE ARON RA ! HIS LOGIC AND MANNER IN TELLING IT LIKE IT IS ....IS FLAWLESS !
BRAVO ARON !
At about 15:50 - _"The only way to defend beliefs that are not concordant with reality is to challenge reality itself."_ Well put.
Oh, shit...AronRa remembers pyramid power. I thought I was the only one. :o)
The question about whether theists believe things in the same way as atheists is spot on. They often talk about "choosing" to believe. That's such a foreign concept to me that it took me years to realize they mean it...they actually *choose* what to believe!
Great speech. There should be a transcript.
@AronRa If you have not debated James White I would like you to. He is one of the most staunch Christian apologists I have ever encountered and needs to hear you.
As a Brit I struggle to grasp how a developed country (the supposed envy of the world - utter bullshit btw) can be so backwards in some states. It's some form of willfull regression. Deeply disturbing.
The end reminds me of an old joke of a guy running into a church yelling "On the right, you only have con-men. And on the left, you only have their marks!"
One on the right got up and said "Hey, I ain't no con man!"
The man pointed to the left and said "Then you're sitting on the wrong side".
Great talk!
Love me some Aron Ra!!!
If there's a paycheck in it - I'll believe anything you say
(re: ghostbusters quote)
I so want to go see you speak live, or maybe speak at the same event as you one day. You're a huge inspiration.
Perfect ad to start this off. A song including the lyrics "I don't know if I believe" :D
the thing about religion is it's comforting, people want to feel like they have somebody powerful looking out for them and something to make death seem not so scary. so a rational person that doesn't want to let go of that will usually mold their religion to fit what they see as right.
I love your evolution and Dinosaur videos. I wish you would make more.
Shenmue theThird have you been watching the systematic classification of life as well?
Ryo is a boss.
If evolution is not real, how do you explain the sunset?
TheFloatingSheep ... I at least laughed a little. Good job.
TheFloatingSheep Evolution? What's that got to do with evolution? Are you confusing cosmology? I'm confused (also if I missed the joke I'm sorry).
TheSapphiretrooper It was a joke. Christians use to ask the question: "If there's no god, how do you explain the sunset?".
There was also a video with 100 questions for evolutionists from creationists or something like that, i don't remember the name.
Actually I laughed a lot. It reminded me of the Nye & Ham debate & some idiot creationist wrote without god how would you explain a sunset.
Matt Dillahunty (used to get) gets call like that. Try responding with "How about that cancer - who created that?" Be prepared for a long monologue about "God punishing us for our sins." How about them birth defects then?
I love AronRa's rants. I understand his frustration.
Probably my favorite Aron Ra presentation ... I had to rewind and get a few of those well-phased points understood & committed to memory.. well done, sir.
Me too. So articulate. Always good to have some ammo when debating the flat-earthers, young earthers, cretards etc
Excellent job Aron.
This should be a required video in schools along with sex ed.
From 8:00 to 9:00, Aron give a great summary of the reasons for, and role of religious apologetics.
Sweeping statements left, right and centre!
Could you post a link to that archive where you give creationists the specific challenge to answer questions? I cannot find any in your channel.
Here is one. theleagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12079
AronRa You should add it to the description. I think many people would be looking for it after hearing you mentioned it. I know I did.
*****
Being unaware of your malicious and deceitful tactics does not make them less so.
They are often in denial, hence why they get so upset and can't read or argue logically. It's a defense the brain takes when it hits a wall with cognitive dissonance.
We already know creationists answers: god, god god god god
Quality post. Blistering observations and astute logical evaluation of the self-induced stupidity that is religious belief.
It was all hot air, like your comment
***** No one here could possibly be as intelligent as you.
The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widely spread belief is far more likely to be foolish than sensible.
But, I agree, what does it matter. If it did so happen there was a god, it would be very unlikely He would be afflicted by such uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence - BR
That's not proof to you or anyone. You're just wish-thinking.
But why should it matter, as long as you feel good hey, just make up proof to suit yourself.
***** If it helps you then that can only be a good thing.
All the best.
Apart from this and the Q and A are there any other video's of the Unholy Trinity in Australia and New Zealand?
Good video Aron thanks for posting it.
AronRa undoubtedly make a brilliant argument, however has anyone else noticed that he looks just like a Klingon?
Accurate
Owning guns is in our cultural and heritage.
Its about freedom and self-defense. Defending your loved ones and property from anyone who threatens those things.
Not ego or power or paranoia.
Of course there are bad people who own guns. That's true in any group.
I might agree with you that it is in our culture and heritage but it is demonstrably true that owning a gun puts in in greater danger than not owning one. It is one thing to say, I own a gun because I enjoy them and the sport of shooting. Technically ownership of any property is protected by the Constitution, but it is quite another story to have an irrational belief that it is for self protection. Belief that it will some how protect you is the very definition of paranoia and is completely irrational.
RDLONG30 I wonder if you did the research. It is a simple fact that owning a gun puts you at a greater risk than not owning a gun.
Think about it, if a criminal intends to harm you, they have the upper hand. Having a gun means nothing in that case and it might make you take a risk that you'd be stupid to make and get killed in the process. Don't forget the accidental shootings as we'll.
Now if you want to talk about training requirements and psychological examinations, background checks, etc.. In order to own a gun. I would have no problem with that at all. If you have to meet or exceed police requirements, awesome I will back that 100%. My guess is you don't.
Miles O' Brian Owning slaves is in our heritage maybe we should go back to doing that. Arguments from tradition are worthless...
Miles O' Brian
I have no problem with guns per se just bad reasoning in favor of them
Brett Wilson Exactly! No issue with them, but really bad reasoning.
Why is it every damn time I rewatch one of AronRa's video's I have to like it all over again because not only is it unliked but from time to time I find im not subscribed !!! I have been checking and rechecking and recording how often this happens and its disturbing 😠
I meet nice people and as soon as they find out you don't believe that way they asked different. It's almost easy just to pretend. But not all people are like that . But it sure says a lot about there bullshit
Aron is an Apologist for affirming any non-theistic worldview over any theistic worldview (without any justification for why any particular non-theistic worldview is true), so why is he mocking theistic worldviews for having Apologists who actually do give argumentation FOR their worldviews?
no
@thehowlingjoker Top symptom of pseudoskepticism - unsubstantiated counterclaim.
Pseudoskepticism is fallacious, so it's inadmissible on it's face in intellectual forum.
If you actually have justification for why you're saying "no" feel free to let me know.
@thehowlingjoker I can easily justify why the Christian worldview is the only true worldview, if you'd like. The justification also demonstrates why any non-theistic worldview is definitely false, at the same time.
It starts with a disjunctive syllogism put into a logical conjunct.
Disjunctive syllogism:
Either P is true or Q is true.
P = Christian worldview (as a complete system of starting presuppositions)
Q = any non-Christian worldview (any other complete system of starting presuppositions)
The systemic-level argument is P vs Q, where I'm arguing only P entails X is possible.
(X = Knowledge, rational thought, intelligibility, science, etc)
My interlocutor must *necessarily* argue that Q entails X is possible instead.
(There is no position of neutrality or withholding judgment when it comes to worldviews, as they are non-contingent claims. So there is no position of neutrality or withholding judgment to appeal to in order to evade arguing for any worldview at all, as affirming a worldview is required just to engage in debate in the first place, write posts, or assert anything at all. Affirming a worldview is required just to have intelligibility, so neutrality is not an option that logically exists)
So, my interlocutor and I are both making conflicting positive claims.
Me: That only P entails X is possible.
Interlocutor: That Q entails X is possible instead.
The only way to resolve these conflicting positive claims is through a comparison of competing systems, where we are both allowed to do internal analysises of each other's worldviews in an attempt to justify our claims.
So, which non-Christian worldview are you putting forth for the comparison of competing systems? Whichever non-Christian worldview you choose, I can do an internal analysis to demonstrate why it entails X is NOT possible (and therefore is contradictory, meaning false).
Once I've done this for my interlocutor's worldview, I do the same for the other 7 possible starting points for non-Christian worldviews.
Once I've done all 8 starting points, that's equivalent with refuting all non-Christian worldviews (since the possible variation among the normative-level beliefs won't matter as they'll all be contingent upon 1 of the 8 possible starting points)
And since, at that point, I will have refuted all non-Christian worldviews that means I'm justified that Q is false in the disjunctive syllogism which justifies that P is true.
P = Christian worldview.
Done.
@thehowlingjoker You will never see Aron, or any other atheists activist / Apologist, even attempting to give justification for why any non-theistic worldview is true like I just did for why the Christian worldview is true.
Instead, they arbitrarily begin with the premise that their particular non-theistic worldview is "the default" so they therefore don't need justification. This is false, as there is no such thing as a "default" worldview unless it can be justified as such.
A "default position" or "null hypothesis" is something that exists only in scientific debates about normative-level claims. So it's a category error fallacy deriving from Scientism which causes them to approach all debates like they're scientific debates, even when they're specifically about topics beyond the limitations of what science can deal with.
They simply do not understand Philosophy. Aron, for example, has been engaging in the theism vs atheism debate for 25+ years and still isn't even aware he's debating in the domain of Philosophy (metaphysics, specifically). That's patently absurd.
If he doesn't even know which domain he's debating in, even after than long, it tells you a lot.
@@lightbeforethetunnel no
Except for his slam against lawful gun owners, good speech.
In the USA, lawful gun ownership is a fairly low standard considering that many who commit gun crimes in this country are those who a simple background check would have prevented them from ever getting such easy access to firearms.
Though generally speaking I do think that guns should be legal, that is more because I believe in personal liberty - not because I feel that people ever have any reasonable need to own guns in a democratic society where guns will be 100% useless in any kind of "revolution", and also are fairly ineffective in self-defense.
echomjp If they can't pass the background check, then they are NOT LEGAL gun owners. Not that difficult of a concept.
This is getting a bit nitpicky, but I just got to the school grounds example and he didn't hit gun owners _too_ hard (or, I'm sure not as hard as he wanted to).
I don't know Texas's school ground rules, but I think Texas is one of those weird places that bans most types of open carry so that even people with CCW can actually be charged with a crime if anyone actually sees their gun. Hopefully there is some leeway, but it really sets a trap for people who want to carry.
And, IIRC, they are also a state where your car is "your home", meaning that without a permit, you can carry in your car, but not on your person. Great for stopping car jackings, but now you have to worry about your gun getting stolen from your parked car.
Anyway, I guess the point is Texas isn't the gun "free for all" Aron thinks it is. I know I saw lots of business posted "No Carry Allowed", whereas where I live, we have CCW, and almost NO businesses ban carry on their property. The few that did, allowed it after enough people told them they would no longer do business with them if they stayed posted.
echomjp The primary reason why the chances of my using a gun in self defense are remote is because so many good people carry them in the first place. With nary a shot being fired. The deterrent effect upon potential evil doers is enormous. Never rely on mere "body counts" to determine the relevance of deterence. That's a mistake. Most armed conflicts are resolved without a shot being fired or a police report manifested.
l337pwnage
Well, there really aren't background checks of any reasonable standard in the vast majority of the USA, so here they are legal gun owners regardless of mental capacity.
Texas is certainly a place where gun regulations are lax by most standards, and not being allowed to use open carry in certain places such as schools is a moot point.
Many people feel that if someone is holding a gun out that they might use it on them or on someone else, and that is why it is typically seen as better to have a concealed firearm rather than to brazenly walk around with it in the open.
Also, the fact that you can even get a permit to carry a gun outside of your car makes me think that the example you cited is a bit odd, unless getting said permit is exceptionally difficult.
Edit: I live in Alaska by the way, where gun laws are also quite lax - open carry being something you can do without a permit, though guns cannot be brought into schools or legal institution buildings (courts and jails and such). They also cannot be brought into bars that serve alcohol, and it is illegal to drink at restaurants while carrying. All in all, that's about it.
I'll be looking for those challenges
Well, but atheists, I have presented a simple physics problem to scientists my entire life, and now have presented it to atheists numerous times. Scientists have a better response than atheists have. They all become very angry when presented with this problem. Atheists studiously avoid answering. But let us present the problem in a different way.
I once bought an alarm clock at Walgreen's drug store. I was working for a steel fabrication company as a welder at the time and needed to get up early to go to work. I soon learned that the clock was slow. It lost ten minutes every day. I kept the clock because it demonstrated something I had been saying since I was in high school. So let us run an experiment using this slower clock. Suppose we drive a car at constant speed on a highway past a mile marker and the next mile marker and a GPS clock in the car says that it took exactly one minute to travel this distance. We conclude that the car was traveling 60 miles per hour. So now we do the same thing again, but this time we have the slow Walgreen's drug store clock in the car. The slow Walgreen's drug store clock says that the car traveled one mile in less than a minute, while the GPS clock again says it took exactly one minute. According to the slow Walgreen's drug store clock, the car is traveling faster than sixty miles per hour.
But as I have shown in the past, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, which all atheists will agree is just as much atheist scripture as Gone with the Wind or Harry Potter and quoted by atheists almost as often, uses the following equations:
x'=(x-vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
y'=y
z'=z
t'=(t-vx/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
inverse equations
x = (x' + vt')/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
y = y'
z = z'
t = (t' + vx'/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
v is speed and is the same in both sets of equations. In other words, if a clock in a flying airplane is slower than a clock on the ground because of the motion of the airplane, as Einstein states in his Special Theory, then the pilot of the airplane and an observer on the ground will get the same speed for the airplane. But at the same time, there is something called reality. Reality shows that the pilot of the airplane will get a faster speed for the airplane, just as we showed with the Walgreen's drug store clock that lost ten minutes per day.
So this atheist is wrong when he says atheists do not have faith. They have faith in a miracle. Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is nothing more than a mathematical description of a miracle. As a believer in Jesus Christ, I am more comfortable in reality, but if atheists want to have a miracle, we have freedom of religion in the United States. I will certainly defend the right of atheists to believe in a miracle. I just don't believe in it myself.
You kind of look like how I imagine Satan would be.
(This is a good thing, btw).
Good thing?
?? Lol okay
Daniel Natzke You know, cool and charmingly evil looking Satan. With the thin moustache and the hair. I know it sounds ironic coming from me (I am the guy in the photo).
attacking his looks because you dont have an argument lmfao pathetic
ugly idgaf
Did he attack his looks?
Read everything he's said.
I like your channel.
But I hate when you put down gun rights like in Texas comment.
Maybe if idiots stop shooting eachother then maybe there wouldn't need to be any call for regulation, and before you say "oh how will I protect myself?" just think about countries who have STRICT gun laws and their crime statistics.
SuperJBrowne www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime Yeah, it Looks Like Rape is Twice as Common in the U.K. as in the United States. Is That what you were Looking For?
SuperJBrowne
18 Percent more Murder too, What do ya Know...
Ascendaeus
But are their statistics worse than the U.S?
Ascendaeus
The U.S has 669 time the firearms crime rate that the UK does.
Dinosaurs lived in an ere where the oxygen in the globe was very high. That's why they grew to such enormous sizes. But after the comet or meteor that killed all the dinosaurs, the dust and destruction reduced the global oxygen level. We mamals adapted to live with such low oxygen levels. If dinosaurs are still alive, the T-Rex would be the size of a street dog. That's why the living dinosaurs, the birds, most are smaller than humans.
One of my favorite Puddin'head Wilson (Mark Twain) quotes
I propose you come to a church and using nothing but the bible prove your position....not fair? Why because I created a structure of rules and I'm forcing you to confirm your ideas within that structure only? But its OK for people to create a structure of rules regarding processes acknowledging ONLY Newtonian mechanics as viable evidence? I see you can force religion into your box but its would be unfair to force your beliefs into a religious box? I say both sides are not equipped nor willing to address what is not predominantly their area of expertise. Science is best suited to explain how, and religion is best suited to explain why, and never the two should argue.
Like AronRa said in his speech, if reality doesn't fit your beliefs, reality must be wrong. Our understanding of reality is the only thing we have to build our society on. Using ancient books of fairy tales is clearly a way to annihilation. By the way - what religion are you talking about? Islam? Hinduism? Ah, of course...Christianity. Well, your religion can't explain anything. You can't even make predictions based on the Bible scriptures. Your cult is just one of many. And science is the only way to explain anything. Your arguments are not equally valid. Religion is not equal to science. Your scripture doesn't go the same shelf as my science books. Your books go over there, on the shelf with Thor, Zeus and the Kraken.
***** Rebellion against the creator is in our sinful nature. The Bible doesn't predict that, it declares it. Only a change of heart brought on by God would allow you to see what a fool you are. Hopefully one day it will be the fool you were.
Ruben Rosado
Feelings have no relevance for the truth or the nature of reality. If you feel guilty for example or you claim a character named god likes or dislikes according to his or her personal taste something. It is irrelevant.
Especially when people just talk about fictional characters out of a random book like the bible.
What I said couldn't be more relevant. Not only do people simply deny the scriptures but they mock it, ridicule it, put it next to mythology. Why go that extra mile? Rebellion
Ruben Rosado
So you just repeat that a random bad written collection of contradictive tales is relevant.
Nope it is not. I can show you, you don't even believe in it word by word.
Example:
"Leviticus 11:13-19 (King James
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 14 and the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
(...)
, 19 and the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the *bat*.
Is the bat a fowl yes or no?
Mark 16:18
"18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
Can you drink deadly things like snake venom?
Yes or no?
Aron Ra an educated man who can see the truth, opposite of the ignorant man who believe in fairy tales.
Damn, didn't know you were going to be here. Hope you had the chance to see some of our beautiful little country.
Knowledge is light, because it shows you the right way.
AronRa A link to the "series of questions that they (theists) have to answer" (from 38:20 -ish), please?
Believing what you know ain't so.
AronRa I'd toast you, but I don't drink.. So I raise my plate of sauce-drenched brisket in approval, this was yet another fantastic speech. The first round of Cherry Dr. Pepper's on me.
Great talk, thanks! Brilliant for its concision.
One question, though: I can't seem to find Matt Dillahunty's talk anywhere online, even on the New Zealand Association of Humanists channel. What happened?