Josquin deserves a place at the table containing the Top 10 musical geniuses in the Western Tradition, of at least the past millennium. He helped re-define music - he embodies all the best of the 150-year long musical period we call "The Renaissance". Pity his music is so often overlooked by a musical establishment that often seems to think that music started in the Baroque!!
I Agee. Especially the development of basso continuo in quite large groups of instruments. This later I feel really made Baroque the unique sound that it became.
Yes, as if Western music “came into being” with Bach-undisputed master, though he undoubtedly is. The same hold nowadays with the teaching of history. Forget everything before the Age of Discovery, and that only in order to inculcate themes of colonial depredation leading to atheistic relativism and chaotic equity.
I´m a devoted fan of this great, wonderful and beautiful voiced team. The Tallis Scholars reach a nearby perfect medieval sound with their well casted voices and harmonic members with extremely clear singing. Their records have a golden place in my collection. Always a huge pleasure for everything they thought to leave.
Most underrated composer in history, even though all the greats knew and studied his music. What makes this music so perfect is how it is oriented. It is not inwardly pointing, but solely devoted to the divine.
most underrated? He's considered the most important composer of his age... no less important than Machault, Dufay, Palestrina or Monteverdi, talking just about pre tonal composers....
I love John Shepherd, and Tallis, and I love Rachmaninov's vespers, but for sheer sweetness Josquin take the prize. It's the nearest thing to chiming bells in the human voice.
This piece single-handedly solidified my conversion to Christianity. I had always struggled to really know what 'Christ' was/was supposed to be, but then I heard "Et incarnatus est..." and it all became very clear.
+Festina_Lente I see what you're saying, but what I'm talking about is taking place on a different, more subtle level. "Et incarnatus est..." describes the sense in which God was/is incarnate in materiality. Here, 'Christ' doesn't have to do with the historical person of Jesus of Nazareth so much as it does with the mystical immediacy of God's presence and availability in the world and in human consciousness. Since this is a transrational mystery and not an empirical truth proposition, it actually makes sense that I experienced this for the first time while listening to music, given that music often requires the suspension of rational and egoic states of consciousness.
actually, Bose, your reply isn't very smart. Science cannot even begin to explain or even deals with the spiritual. Science can merely explain matter and it cannot go beyond that. It is a mistake you and a lot of modern so-called "scientists" make all the time. Science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God, because science cannot deal with that. It is very clear that God does exist, just look around. His fingerprint is in His creation. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with emotions. yes emotions and feelings change all the time, that's why faith in God is not based on feelings, but on facts that God has shown us. And if today's scientists, who do not always actually go with the evidence that science shows, knows so much, let's just start talking about the origin of the universe. We all agree earth and the universe, ALL of it had a beginning. So, before it all started, there was nothing. How does something, how does matter comes from absolutely nothing? Even that silly statement contradicts all laws of nature, of physics. You cannot have something coming out of nothing, as simple as that, my friend. Let's go with Stephen Hawking' s theory that "gravity would have created the universe, therefore God isn't necessary..." So, how did gravity come into existence? That already contradicts all that science says. Who or what put gravity there? And even then, this universe and this earth are so perfectly balanced to be able to sustain life, that the smallest of changes would end life on earth. The chances of gravity and the big bang creating the delicate life that lives on earth is so small that it is pretty much non-existent. So, tell me again how I'm supposed to believe that non-sense? It takes much more faith to believe the non-sense modern day scientists sell people than to actually believe in an Almight God! This is why God gave us logic and the ability to discern so that we can be smart and not believe everything people say, even if they call themselves "scientists." I cannot blindly believe non-sense just because "a scientist said so."
This is the only recording of this masterpiece that I can stand. Many other groups 'ease' into the piece, starting very quietly and building volume (like you would do with many Palestrina pieces). This misses the opening, dissonant chords that set up the rest of the Kyrie and are themselves some of the most memorable moments in Renaissance music. I started off with the Tallis scholars version and they spoiled me for life!
Músicos como Josquin des Pres transmitiam através da música sua fé e a beleza que viam no mundo e nas almas. Musicians like Josquin des Pres put through music their faith and the beauty they saw in the world and the souls.
Figura algebraica llama Trías a esta Missa Pange Lingua. Himno recreado a partir de aquel que escribiera Tomás de Aquino. «Pero su espectro, lo mismo que el de la rosa, se encarna de forma emotiva y carnal. Al final resuena por todas partes. El himno ha sido sometido a una suerte de refracción hiperprismática. Podría afirmarse que ha sido “ionizado”» (E. T. 2014: 84). Otra prueba de la genialidad de este músico enigmático.
Eternel grandiose la musique de la renaissance Dufay Browne Bird Obrecht Ockeghem Dowland Gabrieli Gesualdo Des Prez Lassus Marenzio Palestrina Rore Tallis Tinctoris et tant d autres merci you tube.
I love how the Tallis Scholars really milk the details of this piece. Occasionally their recordings can sound too bright and slick, undifferentiated -- but here, they take time to wonderfully develop each of the striking little "events" in the counterpoint, and it's a joy to listen to.
This interpretation of such a masterpiece is on a league of its own. The thought they put into every measure is really incredible, and it makes it feel that much more special.
Superb rendition. The best I have ever heard of this piece. I love this kind of music and the Tallis Scholars are among the very best at performing it.
Only Catholic Church has right Sacraments, Eucharist, Confession... only Catholic rites allow this kind of solemnity and beauty... God bless Catholic Church and Traditional Mass!
@@pierrefilippo3704 only Catholic Church are misogynists towards women, don't allow them to become priests, are bigoted fuckers when it comes to gay marriage and those who identify as transgender. To say nothing of their amoral pedophiles abusing and molesting children for decades, only to have their asses protected by you Catholic Church who tried and failed to cover up the scandal. While I have and respect many Catholic friends, I hold the Church in contempt for its numerous failings and hypocrisies
Josquin is presently still neglected if we consider that his importance is comparable to that of Bach, Mozart or Beethoven. Surely he's more known than the other 15th and 16th century composers, with the exception of Palestrina. This Mass is an absolute masterpiece.
Ironic. I first learned to love and hear the full extent of this piece's melodic texture and emotion, while on shrooms. As silly as it may sound, there's something to be said about psychedelics, and recognizing the Divine.
Love this comment so much. Been a Duke student for a long time and have contributed to a lot of polyphonic music inside its walls. Sometimes stoned on another substance though.
1514 - "The Missa Pange lingua is generally considered a late mass - probably Josquin's last - and one of his best: it brings together much that he had tested and perfected in earlier mass settings. At the same time, the compositional language points ahead to the mid-16th century. In this work, the main focus is definitively and unreservedly on the art of imitation, treating all voices as equals. The way Josquin distributes the six short phrases of the underlying chorale melody (originally written by Thomas Aquinas for the Feast of Corpus Christi) in such an uncomplicated and balanced way among all four voices had far-reaching implications for Renaissance music throughout Europe."
Hoje eu tive um sonho revelador. Sonhei que eu dizia para uns amigos meus, que eles deveriam acreditar no mal, caso contrário nunca acreditariam de verdade em Deus.
I'm going to be playing this again at the upcoming renaissance festival. I put it on repeat on my phone and hide it and my bluetooth speaker in the pocket of my cloak. My costume is a re-imagined version of Death as the clearing of the old to make room for the new: that from death the soil is made fertile for new life to begin again. I call it the Spirit of the Harvest, and everything is fall and harvest themed.
Velthur Tognoni no, i'm certain it does not. as are you. Is that supposed to embarrass or reprimand the person kind enough to post the beautiful painting? Why?
Helen Lauer I know there wasn't embarrass or reprimand goal in my obvious joke. I heard in these days they sell the sense of humor off in some stores. Think about it :·)
Un música é a arte de xogar coas cordas bucais e sendo boa achecarnos o deleite dao sentido do oido . A relixióm é um complemento de lugar que sufre a xente a nível persoal ou mais bem colectivo, por gregario .
My preference goes to the interpretation of Spandauer Kantorei directed by Martin Beherman (record done prior 1970, date unknown). Respiration and comtemplation of the choir are making you just closing your eyes and listen. Am I one of the rare ones still owning this record?
De la musique qui respire le silence et une grandeur que les temps modernes ne connaissent plus, des temps sans sources, sans vérité, sans hiérarchie, sans futur.. Par ailleurs, cette musique somptueuse montre que même dans un égout mental comme le catholicisme, des plantes étonnantes et magnifiques peuvent surgir !
It would be a little more exact to say that this recording sounds like something you hope to find in Heaven. But yes, I definitely understand what you're trying to say!
Está incompleta. Yo tengo una grabación que además contiene Intro, Graduel, Alleluia, Offertoire, O Salutaris y Hymne Pange Lingua. Además me parece muy sospechoso que en esta grabación haya voces femeninas. En ese tiempo no se usaban.
That cursor though
this comment has more upvotes than the video
ye olde curſore
@@robertwhite2628 Good use of the long s, may I say!
@Juan D Funniest comment I've read all week.
Josquin deserves a place at the table containing the Top 10 musical geniuses in the Western Tradition, of at least the past millennium. He helped re-define music - he embodies all the best of the 150-year long musical period we call "The Renaissance". Pity his music is so often overlooked by a musical establishment that often seems to think that music started in the Baroque!!
I Agee. Especially the development of basso continuo in quite large groups of instruments. This later I feel really made Baroque the unique sound that it became.
Yes, as if Western music “came into being” with Bach-undisputed master, though he undoubtedly is. The same hold nowadays with the teaching of history. Forget everything before the Age of Discovery, and that only in order to inculcate themes of colonial depredation leading to atheistic relativism and chaotic equity.
Not sure I agree that he rates as highly as that. And I'd say his music is late-medieval rather than Renaissance.
@@joecarr2224 Not even equity - only, at best, equality of opportunity, which is a very different thing.
They don't know what they are missing do they?
After being a chorister for 5 years, this piece never gets old. The Gloria is amazing, and one can only describe the harmonies as heavenly.
Joe Haynes agreed!
Genius of polyphony.
Une merveille dans son écrin renaissance, vive Dieu qui existe réellement, sans quoi de tels chefs d'oeuvre n'auraient jamais vu le jour.
Vive surtout Josquin sans qui ce chef-d'oeuvre n'aurait tres certainement pas vu le jour 🙂
I´m a devoted fan of this great, wonderful and beautiful voiced team. The Tallis Scholars reach a nearby perfect medieval sound with their well casted voices and harmonic members with extremely clear singing. Their records have a golden place in my collection. Always a huge pleasure for everything they thought to leave.
lassisimo . exactly my sentiments. I have an extensive collection of theirs too. bliss
Their early recordings are untouchable, in my earnest opinion.
The modern ones are somewhat pedestrian.
Most underrated composer in history, even though all the greats knew and studied his music. What makes this music so perfect is how it is oriented. It is not inwardly pointing, but solely devoted to the divine.
most underrated? He's considered the most important composer of his age... no less important than Machault, Dufay, Palestrina or Monteverdi, talking just about pre tonal composers....
The last part of that Agnus Dei gets me every time. Beautiful performance.
I love John Shepherd, and Tallis, and I love Rachmaninov's vespers, but for sheer sweetness Josquin take the prize. It's the nearest thing to chiming bells in the human voice.
This piece single-handedly solidified my conversion to Christianity. I had always struggled to really know what 'Christ' was/was supposed to be, but then I heard "Et incarnatus est..." and it all became very clear.
+John Vogt (10:03)
+Festina_Lente I see what you're saying, but what I'm talking about is taking place on a different, more subtle level. "Et incarnatus est..." describes the sense in which God was/is incarnate in materiality. Here, 'Christ' doesn't have to do with the historical person of Jesus of Nazareth so much as it does with the mystical immediacy of God's presence and availability in the world and in human consciousness. Since this is a transrational mystery and not an empirical truth proposition, it actually makes sense that I experienced this for the first time while listening to music, given that music often requires the suspension of rational and egoic states of consciousness.
And this is why science exists. Our emotions are swayed way too easily, so we need things to bring us down to Earth so we aren't lost in fantasy.
Of course, Festina_Lente, you are the source to say what Josquin music meant or didn't in the early Renaissance. Please, don't.
actually, Bose, your reply isn't very smart. Science cannot even begin to explain or even deals with the spiritual. Science can merely explain matter and it cannot go beyond that. It is a mistake you and a lot of modern so-called "scientists" make all the time. Science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God, because science cannot deal with that.
It is very clear that God does exist, just look around. His fingerprint is in His creation. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with emotions. yes emotions and feelings change all the time, that's why faith in God is not based on feelings, but on facts that God has shown us.
And if today's scientists, who do not always actually go with the evidence that science shows, knows so much, let's just start talking about the origin of the universe. We all agree earth and the universe, ALL of it had a beginning. So, before it all started, there was nothing. How does something, how does matter comes from absolutely nothing? Even that silly statement contradicts all laws of nature, of physics. You cannot have something coming out of nothing, as simple as that, my friend.
Let's go with Stephen Hawking' s theory that "gravity would have created the universe, therefore God isn't necessary..." So, how did gravity come into existence? That already contradicts all that science says. Who or what put gravity there?
And even then, this universe and this earth are so perfectly balanced to be able to sustain life, that the smallest of changes would end life on earth. The chances of gravity and the big bang creating the delicate life that lives on earth is so small that it is pretty much non-existent. So, tell me again how I'm supposed to believe that non-sense?
It takes much more faith to believe the non-sense modern day scientists sell people than to actually believe in an Almight God!
This is why God gave us logic and the ability to discern so that we can be smart and not believe everything people say, even if they call themselves "scientists." I cannot blindly believe non-sense just because "a scientist said so."
This is the only recording of this masterpiece that I can stand. Many other groups 'ease' into the piece, starting very quietly and building volume (like you would do with many Palestrina pieces). This misses the opening, dissonant chords that set up the rest of the Kyrie and are themselves some of the most memorable moments in Renaissance music. I started off with the Tallis scholars version and they spoiled me for life!
Yes of course ! this was a common motif in religious art of the period.
J'écoute cette fabuleuse composition à genoux en priant notre Dieu Éternel et son fils, le Christ notre Seigneur
Josquin est un geant de l'histoire de la musique! Tout amoureux de la musique devroit connaitre son oeuvre!
D´accord! salutations du Pérou. Amérique latine.
Je le découvre à l'instant grace à UA-cam. Merci.
One of the true masterpieces of the choral repertoire, brilliantly sung by the Tallis Scholars!
2:57 Gloria
7:18 Credo
14:22 Sanctus
Giving me peace for the last 10 years
Músicos como Josquin des Pres transmitiam através da música sua fé e a beleza que viam no mundo e nas almas. Musicians like Josquin des Pres put through music their faith and the beauty they saw in the world and the souls.
I needed this for my finals and it really touched me
just wow! thank you for uploading
+dan Schustel such wow much thanks
those were years when god does exist beautiful music thanks for uploading
I have this exact same recording and the the music never fails to move me
What beautiful music, sung in such sublime harmony. Absolute bliss. Thank you all you wonderful singers.
Certainement l'une de ses plus belles messes. Une splendeur.
God speaking through their voices, amazing!
Rezemos sete aves-maria em devoção as dores de Nossa Senhora das Dores
I love music
me too
Thanks Tallis Scholars. - Again, a pleasure to listen to you.
Figura algebraica llama Trías a esta Missa Pange Lingua. Himno recreado a partir de aquel que escribiera Tomás de Aquino. «Pero su espectro, lo mismo que el de la rosa, se encarna de forma emotiva y carnal. Al final resuena por todas partes. El himno ha sido sometido a una suerte de refracción hiperprismática. Podría afirmarse que ha sido “ionizado”» (E. T. 2014: 84). Otra prueba de la genialidad de este músico enigmático.
Eternel grandiose la musique de la renaissance Dufay Browne Bird Obrecht Ockeghem Dowland Gabrieli Gesualdo Des Prez Lassus Marenzio Palestrina Rore Tallis Tinctoris et tant d autres merci you tube.
Listened one time and simply had to buy a Flac download that very night..... This is music to cry for...
Josquin Des Pres
( Beaurevoir 1440-1521 Conde-sur-L'escaut )
MISSA PANGE LINGUA ( TALLIS SCHOLARS ) Eternel grandiose une pure merveille merci UA-cam.
Oui sans UA-cam cette sainte musique serait restée au placard....
If anyone's looking for the second subsection of Gloria the "Qui Tollis" it starts round 5:05
I love how the Tallis Scholars really milk the details of this piece. Occasionally their recordings can sound too bright and slick, undifferentiated -- but here, they take time to wonderfully develop each of the striking little "events" in the counterpoint, and it's a joy to listen to.
God and his angels!
gloria in excelsis deo, et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis//
Magnifique !!
This interpretation of such a masterpiece is on a league of its own. The thought they put into every measure is really incredible, and it makes it feel that much more special.
Un iluminado, talentoso, generoso creador musical Josquin des pres.
Bendito seja Deus que deu tal talento aos homens!!!
je suis sans voix! Merci!
Thanks for posting, Ed!
Superb rendition. The best I have ever heard of this piece. I love this kind of music and the Tallis Scholars are among the very best at performing it.
Thank Youu!!! 💛It was the image of heaven.💛
Heard this sung years ago for Mass at the London Oratory. Absolutely overpowering
Very beautiful.
Beautiful rendition!!! On Desprez' 500 years!
Beautiful, enjoying what a master peace of Gloria's music👍...
wonderful music. the pure humanbeing speaks thru this.
God Bless Catholic Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good God
Hesus for shame. Trolling doesn't do you justice. Not everyone is Catholic . God bless you and allow you better judgement
Only Catholic Church has right Sacraments, Eucharist, Confession... only Catholic rites allow this kind of solemnity and beauty... God bless Catholic Church and Traditional Mass!
@@pierrefilippo3704 only Catholic Church are misogynists towards women, don't allow them to become priests, are bigoted fuckers when it comes to gay marriage and those who identify as transgender. To say nothing of their amoral pedophiles abusing and molesting children for decades, only to have their asses protected by you Catholic Church who tried and failed to cover up the scandal. While I have and respect many Catholic friends, I hold the Church in contempt for its numerous failings and hypocrisies
@@arguspanoptes9510 But you should be part of the Church which Christ himself founded, perhaps this music will help guide you.
¡QUE HERMOSA ES ESTA MÚSICA! ¡ME ENCANTA!
This transcends sorrows and joys of our transient lives less than100 years
absolutely adorable
thank you very much for sharing!
The sublime Josquin fulfilled supreme!
Josquin is presently still neglected if we consider that his importance is comparable to that of Bach, Mozart or Beethoven. Surely he's more known than the other 15th and 16th century composers, with the exception of Palestrina. This Mass is an absolute masterpiece.
👁️🥀👄I loved this Mass by Josquin, only the good Lord to polish so much talent! 🌞🌟🌜👼🎶🎹🎻😭😀😀👋👋👋
They are drones, j am speechless!!!!. Thank you and ciao from Italy.
Divina interpretación.
that music is amazing. sincerely yours, agnus dei.
Heard this stoned on acid in the Duke Chapel 1967 - magnificent! Those were the days...
Phillip Low u sir, are a badass ;-)
well now that's how some solidify the conversion to xianity
Ironic. I first learned to love and hear the full extent of this piece's melodic texture and emotion, while on shrooms. As silly as it may sound, there's something to be said about psychedelics, and recognizing the Divine.
Love this comment so much. Been a Duke student for a long time and have contributed to a lot of polyphonic music inside its walls. Sometimes stoned on another substance though.
Divine Kyrie...
Wunderbar!
One crazy thing about growing up protestant is that I actually heard the Josquin before hearing the original pange lingua plainchant at adoration.
It's beautiful. The only thing that bothers me is that they didn't sing the fictas at the cadences.
simplemente hermoso.
Great job!
Grande esecuzione!
1514 - "The Missa Pange lingua is generally considered a late mass - probably Josquin's last - and one of his best: it brings together much that he had tested and perfected in earlier mass settings. At the same time, the compositional language points ahead to the mid-16th century. In this work, the main focus is definitively and unreservedly on the art of imitation, treating all voices as equals. The way Josquin distributes the six short phrases of the underlying chorale melody (originally written by Thomas Aquinas for the Feast of Corpus Christi) in such an uncomplicated and balanced way among all four voices had far-reaching implications for Renaissance music throughout Europe."
Omg I thought this was taken down. I love this missa so much 🥲
beautiful music
just beautifull
Hoje eu tive um sonho revelador.
Sonhei que eu dizia para uns amigos meus, que eles deveriam acreditar no mal, caso contrário nunca acreditariam de verdade em Deus.
for personal use:
0:00 ~ 2:05
I'm going to be playing this again at the upcoming renaissance festival. I put it on repeat on my phone and hide it and my bluetooth speaker in the pocket of my cloak. My costume is a re-imagined version of Death as the clearing of the old to make room for the new: that from death the soil is made fertile for new life to begin again. I call it the Spirit of the Harvest, and everything is fall and harvest themed.
If you love Bach, then give thanks for Josquin. He was Luther's favorite composer and without Luther's love of Josquin, no Bach.
The Gloria is glorious. 🎵🎶🎵
Increible!!!!!!!
Suprema belleza
El gran Josquin y Tallis Scholars. Solo puede salir bien
Does the black arrow belong to the painting? :-)
Velthur Tognoni no, i'm certain it does not. as are you. Is that supposed to embarrass or reprimand the person kind enough to post the beautiful painting? Why?
Helen Lauer I know there wasn't embarrass or reprimand goal in my obvious joke. I heard in these days they sell the sense of humor off in some stores. Think about it :·)
+Velthur Tognoni But why does it look like part of the painting??? What happened there?
+Lizzie Discenza its called a screenshot bruh
of course, this is an antique screenshot ... and in 15th century white colour was just too expensive for simple arrows ...
ミサ曲「パンジェ・リングァ」
ジョスカン･デプレ
フランドル
Beneditus (19:09)
Un música é a arte de xogar coas cordas bucais e sendo boa achecarnos o deleite dao sentido do oido . A relixióm é um complemento de lugar que sufre a xente a nível persoal ou mais bem colectivo, por gregario .
Pure joy
beautiful :)
Amazing ❤
My preference goes to the interpretation of Spandauer Kantorei directed by Martin Beherman (record done prior 1970, date unknown). Respiration and comtemplation of the choir are making you just closing your eyes and listen. Am I one of the rare ones still owning this record?
Please have it digitized if you still own it.
Divino!
De la musique qui respire le silence et une grandeur que les temps modernes ne connaissent plus, des temps sans sources, sans vérité, sans hiérarchie, sans futur.. Par ailleurs, cette musique somptueuse montre que même dans un égout mental comme le catholicisme, des plantes étonnantes et magnifiques peuvent surgir !
"Les roses d'Ispahan fleurissent sur des charniers."
that's because music IS heaven
Wonderful music created on earth by wonderful earthly beings...why inject nonsense into it?
Amazing! Credits of the art cover, please! \o
Nice..
This picture was painted by a French artist, Nicolas Froment.
zarombiste!!!!!
It would be a little more exact to say that this recording sounds like something you hope to find in Heaven. But yes, I definitely understand what you're trying to say!
Cant believe i found out about this type of music because im a blood descendant of to Josquin
Está incompleta. Yo tengo una grabación que además contiene Intro, Graduel, Alleluia, Offertoire, O Salutaris y Hymne Pange Lingua. Además me parece muy sospechoso que en esta grabación haya voces femeninas. En ese tiempo no se usaban.
Anyone know which edition of this piece they are using? Looking for the right pdf
Kyriee Ellison!
'Lord, have mercy'? Is something wrong?
Encarta 2004 brought me here. Hello future people!
2:57
En arrière-plan du retable (XVème s) illustrant cette page : la ville d'Avignon, le Rhône et le Palais des Papes quasi flambant neuf...
κύριος „Herr“ und ἐλεέω „sich erbarmen“. Herr, erbarme dich! Christe eleison (Χριστὲ ἐλέησον) Christus, erbarme dich!