great vid mate, a well detailed outline of how to improve on the assassination spec, keep the post, good to see that you are using the traditional action bar :)
extremely helpful video. I never really looked at the numbers. I had the same problem as u, i thought rupture was a MAIN part of dps. I knew that it procced EW but i thought the actual damage was very significant. You just changed my playstyle friend :)
Unfortunately you are incorrect... mastery indirectly increases the damage of envenom because when you use envenom you increase the chance your poisons will be applied. If you check your poison damage from the first test and the second test you will notice a significant difference. So if you had an instant poison on your mainhand weapon you would have a significant increase in damage.
@MDAtten It's not spirit that does that now, its haste that you want for the energy regen, most of your gear will have haste on it though so you dont really want to stack it just make sure your hit and exp capped and you'll be fine dps wise.
@SkalborgsQvist Make sure you are reforged and gemmed to max out your hit first. You need to have a 0% chance to miss with spells versus a level 87 (since heroics don't go any higher than that). You also need expertise at the level 87 mark (I think it's 23 expertise? Can't remember). With that you should be fine.
what add on u using at the 11:19 mark that had the slice of dice,deadly poison,garrote,rupture and the one beside it that had vengetta vanish trinket and cold blood pls reply to me
Hi dude! at around 09.30 u starts fighting, and I wonder how to u get the buffs and effects to show on big counters in the middle of your screen? if its a add-on, maybe a link? :) thanks
this could be a really noobish question but i have no idea what i should stack on stats should i go for crit or mastery? or what should i concentrate on for good dps as assassin?
What is the name of the Buff/debuff addon that you are using? I’m sorry but with over a 100 comments I couldn’t sift through them to find if someone already asked you this question so I apologies in advance if you have in fact done so.
OK so now can u tell me if I can beat a 85 def/holy/ret paly while I use assassination (level 85) in arena 1 on 1 with the same gear??? Or maybe a 85 protection warrior. Or a frost mage.
ive recently made a rogue on the horde and i dont know wether to move my lvl 84 warrior to the horde but are warriors the better dps of the two and also wich tends to do better in pvp?.
ho about doing pve with subtley i like sub build because has many utility like prparation (reset cooldown of skill like vanish useful when tank die ). Assassination himo has problems with energy regen (murderous intent is good but also backstab has a good cost in energy. any suggestion will be appreciated ( i m rogue level 84)
@deadhopper1 depends all classes have benefits that hugely affect utility worgen have extra sprint crit. Humans have a racial that can save you on certain encounters. Trolls have the mini hero. Play what you like. Assassination is about 10%(i feel much higher but elitest jerks says 10%) ahead till boss hits 35% then with backstab it jumps up to 40% plus with tier bonus ect it can be even higher.
Can u rate my assassination talent spec for me. So far, i got 3/3 Coup de Grace 3/3 Lethality 2/2 Quickening 3/3 Puncturing Wounds Cold Blood 3/3 Vile Poisons I'm gonna feel Deadened Nerves,should i worry about Deadly Brew
in all blues .. like 2 raid purples i was pulling single target 15-21k on raid bosses .. depending on fight. magmay single target in same gear was 20k.
Best Race for Rogue depends, naturally its Orc Then Goblin but depending on who your fighting, if it is a beast Troll's 5% dmg increase puts it way infront of the others
nice vid man but theres a few flaws, prolly cuz its done pre cata itself....but your not specced 3/3 into hit rating...u chose oppritunity. which may be fine once geard. in face optimal. but youll notice that while gearing and finding your way into purples u my strubbkle for either hit or expert as u gear swap.
@ThatGuyWhoPlayzWoW They do not do more damage so to say... they do more damage consistently though, rogue damage height is based on combo points and procs pretty much, while warriors tend to do more damage for the majority of their "attacking period". Better in pvp though? I think not. It depends on who you are against, who the player is, and your combo of stats (gems enchants etc). Gear is a large factor in this also. Rogue vs Warrior (duel) Both have a very high (practically equal) win chance
just 1 question i play assassin rogue ilvl 358 and i need all my gear to reforg to hit chance to get the hit cap 1332(crit>hit and hast>hit) i do around 13k dmg... today another rogue tell me that i just need around 700 hit chance so im rly confuset pls someone to help me!!!
When I was in full 333 and hit exp capped I remembered pulling off 8k consistant dps on the dummy . And now with ilv349 I have a big improvement of 12k consistant dummy dps . But whats retarded is my crit Is like 17% wondering if crit pulls will go up high gradually
people dont understand the concept of stat depreciation as they level. saying "my lvl 80 did more dps than your 85" is very ignorant. learn about stat values and how much they change between lvl 80 and 85 before you make such silly comments.
ahh i really needa know now , reforge pure mastery , or reforge haste>hastery , really need an answer . i know haste>mastery is curently what everyone is doing but yeah.
always stack AGI ... green stats will be haste and mastery .. reforge crit only to either haste or mastery . gem for agi ... donter overshadow haste with mastery , they have almost idential AP values .. reference EJ forums and spread sheets
You should have around 20% mastery on epic ilvl and at that lvl most of the dmg comes from instant poison and deadly on 3 or something. On highend lvl a rogue should put out 20-25k dps but you wont beat dks and hunters cause atm their dmg is insane but there is a huge nerf coming for hunters and other classes.
open your rotation with garrote...get your SND up muti and by then your dagger chants will prolly have proced as well as trinkets ..vendetta along with any other usable cds then muti CB envenom....muti muti rupture at 4-5 cp....same thing for envenom...once overkill dies . vanish and get back into your rotaion ... ambush 1 CP .. may hit for a bit but either garrote or muti out of vanish always. rinse and repeat until 35% herers where debate comes in ..
its debatable to BS at 4CP to get the 5pt envenom.....at this point you will more than likely A clip envenom with a 4pt envenom and B BS dmg vs chance of extra CP proc is lower than muti hence muti can proc 3cp .. max BS is 2 so over shootin 1 CP and not having envenom clip is more valuable
@ununquadium001 lol no it doesnt, haste is basically useless for assassin rogues now, they get more haste from slice n dice than they could ever get from gearing for haste
great vid mate, a well detailed outline of how to improve on the assassination spec, keep the post, good to see that you are using the traditional action bar :)
extremely helpful video. I never really looked at the numbers. I had the same problem as u, i thought rupture was a MAIN part of dps. I knew that it procced EW but i thought the actual damage was very significant. You just changed my playstyle friend :)
Very nice tips and damage! However, I would like to know what addon you were using to show the cooldowns.
Unfortunately you are incorrect... mastery indirectly increases the damage of envenom because when you use envenom you increase the chance your poisons will be applied. If you check your poison damage from the first test and the second test you will notice a significant difference. So if you had an instant poison on your mainhand weapon you would have a significant increase in damage.
Nice vid man. What UI is that on the second half of the vid that displays your CDs?
@MDAtten It's not spirit that does that now, its haste that you want for the energy regen, most of your gear will have haste on it though so you dont really want to stack it just make sure your hit and exp capped and you'll be fine dps wise.
@SkalborgsQvist Make sure you are reforged and gemmed to max out your hit first. You need to have a 0% chance to miss with spells versus a level 87 (since heroics don't go any higher than that). You also need expertise at the level 87 mark (I think it's 23 expertise? Can't remember). With that you should be fine.
What was the add-on with the green bars. And turned red when you needed to hit them again?
what add on u using at the 11:19 mark that had the slice of dice,deadly poison,garrote,rupture and the one beside it that had vengetta vanish trinket and cold blood pls reply to me
question: Will there be a Subtlety Rogue Dps rundown part 2?
Is haste or mastery more important because of the energy regen buff from the haste?
Hi dude! at around 09.30 u starts fighting, and I wonder how to u get the buffs and effects to show on big counters in the middle of your screen? if its a add-on, maybe a link? :) thanks
this could be a really noobish question but i have no idea what i should stack on stats should i go for crit or mastery? or what should i concentrate on for good dps as assassin?
What is the name of the Buff/debuff addon that you are using?
I’m sorry but with over a 100 comments I couldn’t sift through them to find if someone already asked you this question so I apologies in advance if you have in fact done so.
What is that rogue addon that you're using that shows all the CD:s and durations?
OK so now can u tell me if I can beat a 85 def/holy/ret paly while I use assassination (level 85) in arena 1 on 1 with the same gear??? Or maybe a 85 protection warrior. Or a frost mage.
can you do a dps test with the t11 gemmed rogue? i wanna see how much dps you could do with that gear
@Dorkus89Malorkus its not a rouge addon, you can use it with all classes, its called DoTimer :)
What addon is that shows how much time left on Rupture, Slice And Dice etc.
ive recently made a rogue on the horde and i dont know wether to move my lvl 84 warrior to the horde but are warriors the better dps of the two and also wich tends to do better in pvp?.
this was like during beta right? if your in a beta test realm do you get like level 85's for every class or something? can someone explain this?
Hey whats the name of your addons that shows your poison, garrote and rupture ?
so out of all specs, what spec does the most dps? the most up to date
I always wanted Owen Wilson to teach me dps rotations!
Tgn, for PvP,PvE, in your eyes which is bestin your eyes and why, I having trouble between a Rogue and a Feral Druid.
Nice vid Croma. How you get so awesome?
what are the two addons u use u use the cooldown timer and rouge dots timer?
What's are the stats you need for a Rogue, do we go all agility?
ho about doing pve with subtley i like sub build because has many utility like prparation (reset cooldown of skill like vanish useful when tank die ). Assassination himo has problems with energy regen (murderous intent is good but also backstab has a good cost in energy. any suggestion will be appreciated ( i m rogue level 84)
@deadhopper1 depends all classes have benefits that hugely affect utility worgen have extra sprint crit. Humans have a racial that can save you on certain encounters. Trolls have the mini hero. Play what you like.
Assassination is about 10%(i feel much higher but elitest jerks says 10%) ahead till boss hits 35% then with backstab it jumps up to 40% plus with tier bonus ect it can be even higher.
whats the name of the addon right corner for dps meeter recount?
what is the addon you have for your poisons/ cool downs?
what is that addon with the timers counting down you use?
whats the addon that u use to track dot? plz reply thx
Can u rate my assassination talent spec for me.
So far, i got
3/3 Coup de Grace
3/3 Lethality
2/2 Quickening
3/3 Puncturing Wounds
Cold Blood
3/3 Vile Poisons
I'm gonna feel Deadened Nerves,should i worry about Deadly Brew
whats the addon called that shows all the cooldowns?
What addon are you useing to see when your Cds come off ?
@gubbarune what the best rotation... im making a rogue
what is better assasination or combat? in wolth
what is his posion timer addon called?
in all blues .. like 2 raid purples i was pulling single target 15-21k on raid bosses .. depending on fight. magmay single target in same gear was 20k.
Best Race for Rogue depends, naturally its Orc Then Goblin but depending on who your fighting, if it is a beast Troll's 5% dmg increase puts it way infront of the others
not trying to flame at all .. love the vid and very detailed. just putting in my 2 cents.
Hey Guys, what is more fun to play, shadow priest or rogue (idc what kind of rogue)? Thanks
nice vid man but theres a few flaws, prolly cuz its done pre cata itself....but your not specced 3/3 into hit rating...u chose oppritunity. which may be fine once geard. in face optimal. but youll notice that while gearing and finding your way into purples u my strubbkle for either hit or expert as u gear swap.
@ThatGuyWhoPlayzWoW They do not do more damage so to say... they do more damage consistently though, rogue damage height is based on combo points and procs pretty much, while warriors tend to do more damage for the majority of their "attacking period". Better in pvp though? I think not. It depends on who you are against, who the player is, and your combo of stats (gems enchants etc). Gear is a large factor in this also. Rogue vs Warrior (duel) Both have a very high (practically equal) win chance
name of the timer, slide bar addon??
just 1 question i play assassin rogue ilvl 358 and i need all my gear to reforg to hit chance to get the hit cap 1332(crit>hit and hast>hit) i do around 13k dmg... today another rogue tell me that i just need around 700 hit chance so im rly confuset pls someone to help me!!!
I think this needs more dots. Give assassination rogue some burn dot to stack with his poison or something.
@gubbarune Did you read that off a website? ofcourse.
about time hes started using garrote
When I was in full 333 and hit exp capped I remembered pulling off 8k consistant dps on the dummy . And now with ilv349 I have a big improvement of 12k consistant dummy dps . But whats retarded is my crit Is like 17% wondering if crit pulls will go up high gradually
i also noticed i commented on your spec .. but u clearly stated it was for vid purposes.
can someone just tell me the new rotation...
whats the fastest way to lvl a rouge
why is spirit important for rogues?
is it hard to play as a rogue?
is it Garrot?
like, Garrot, not Garroté?
just wondering. kinda sounds wierd :S
anywhan can tell me what i need for assi rogue on 85 hit,crit,mastery etc
what i can reforge i still need crit or i need also alot of crit
its not just the dmg from venomous wounds dude, its the +10 energy as well..
@ExcessumGulDan instant poison for mh and deadly poison for oh, and be sure to use a slow weapon in mh and fast weapon in oh
What addons r u using?
hi guys, which race is the coolest for rouge? :P
@Norling99 instant poison is still your main source of damage.
first time ive been on top of recount so its working for me
what r those addons?
@4upalica any class that dual wields will need a lot of hit but u dont need it capped bout half way ther will b good
people dont understand the concept of stat depreciation as they level. saying "my lvl 80 did more dps than your 85" is very ignorant. learn about stat values and how much they change between lvl 80 and 85 before you make such silly comments.
@MrCmicma its called "lol" and calm down i didn't hear the sarcasm the first time i watched it
ahh i really needa know now , reforge pure mastery , or reforge haste>hastery , really need an answer . i know haste>mastery is curently what everyone is doing but yeah.
always stack AGI ... green stats will be haste and mastery .. reforge crit only to either haste or mastery . gem for agi ... donter overshadow haste with mastery , they have almost idential AP values .. reference EJ forums and spread sheets
and yes i have spelling errors i happen to be drunk lol. but i would also suggest the 2 pt rupture is a no no sir...most definately a no no
hey guys is he using something similar to bartender?
@Epicdps It's Carrot.
Wow! Thanks Cromar!
@TboneIsRogue thanks, comes in handy.
You should have around 20% mastery on epic ilvl and at that lvl most of the dmg comes from instant poison and deadly on 3 or something. On highend lvl a rogue should put out 20-25k dps but you wont beat dks and hunters cause atm their dmg is insane but there is a huge nerf coming for hunters and other classes.
@Dorkus89Malorkus I think it was DoTimer
you should get more haste. haste increses you energy regain aswell as the attack speed :D
maybe its just a fluke but a full ICC mage in my raid did 30k dps on Sindy 10 hero
open your rotation with garrote...get your SND up muti and by then your dagger chants will prolly have proced as well as trinkets ..vendetta along with any other usable cds then muti CB envenom....muti muti rupture at 4-5 cp....same thing for envenom...once overkill dies . vanish and get back into your rotaion ... ambush 1 CP .. may hit for a bit but either garrote or muti out of vanish always. rinse and repeat until 35% herers where debate comes in ..
its debatable to BS at 4CP to get the 5pt envenom.....at this point you will more than likely A clip envenom with a 4pt envenom and B BS dmg vs chance of extra CP proc is lower than muti hence muti can proc 3cp .. max BS is 2 so over shootin 1 CP and not having envenom clip is more valuable
@mikejclark i didn't hear the sarcasm when i posted calm down
@struggle375 energy regeneration, very important...
I nearly spat my drink on my comp when he said Spi was the Primary stat for rogues XDDD
expose armor?
Envemon scales with potent poisons now :)
i think...this IS Owen Wilson and he plays WoW with Mr. T and Ozzy Osbourne on his days off :D
@CrazySoxFan22 try it . its the only way to find out , i only play rogues
ty man thats helped alot !!
I just dinged 80 on my rouge =) I have played sub, but assassination looks awsome.. caant wait to next vid =)
@ununquadium001 lol no it doesnt, haste is basically useless for assassin rogues now, they get more haste from slice n dice than they could ever get from gearing for haste
@speirdude Definitely Assassination.
get 1133 hit rating to get poison capped, and about 10 expertise
@kobiel91 hes not a rogue hes just sampling
Well, i see u got few epics and improvesd ambush is useless, i was doing in full hc (346) gear 13k on dummy
Oh nice.
I believed you when you said spirit was the main stat XD
@ThatGuyWhoPlayzWoW False. Warrior do higher DPS and better in PvP too.
@TheNickbob2010 mabey it is and this is his secret hobby