What a sound..just goes to reinforce the fact, how it was hooky's melodic bass lines that kept the thing together during those early chaotic live sets.
Nothing more than their own tribute band these days. I miss when seeing them was such a hit and miss affair, when they struck it right they were total magic
Although New Order was starting to incorporate more electronic elements into its music with the futuristic "Blue Monday" and the breakdance anthem "Confusion," you could still, at this early stage, clearly make out the band's post-punk roots; particularly in its rhythm section. Peter Hook's droning basslines and Stephen Morris' frantic drumming were prominent parts of the Joy Division sound, which New Order emerged from. Bernard Sumner's vocals on "Consent" are also very reminiscent of Ian Curtis' downbeat singing on Joy Division classics like "Transmission" and "She's Lost Control." A most interesting blend of the old with the new. The Stone Roses and the Happy Mondays would similarly combine influences from the past with cutting-edge dance music, when they fused 1960s jangle pop and psychedelic rock with pumping Chicago-style house.
In fact, this is the first time I "got"/understood why Blue Monday is liked. The live version here is so much better than the studio recordings, including as an actual dance number. The studio recordings make it sound gimmicky.
I like the TOTP version, you can clearly see Barney is fucked lol think it still holds the record for most chart positions dropped after appearing on TOTP, New Order really know how to shake things up lol
I always loved the imperfections this band displayed whilst performing live. They were the best! In my mind, New Order doesn’t exist without Peter Hook!
When I put Power Corruption and Lies on the turntable for the first time and the opening chords of Age of Consent rang out I knew immediately that New Order shed the tragedy and trauma of Joy Division and emerged with an entirely new sound and identity. Still sends chills down my spine.
That's cute how Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook have matching guitar and bass during the first song. Great music too, 2 different but very influential tracks
i seem to remember Barney singing "and if it wasnt for your large penis" instead of "and if it wasnt for your misfortunes" at one rendition of Blue Monday, quality
New Order at the point where they stopped being Joy Division and found their own sound (and still liked each other). They were just unique and so far ahead of everybody else. Of course they made mistakes - they were busy mapping out new territory.
It's like Blue Monday hadn't reached its final form. Strange. Barney has said a few times that he firmly believes that a live performance should sound exactly like the record. That's what people fall in love with first, and any deviation is a distraction from the performance. That's not to say that they haven't road tested songs before committing them to a master, though. Which is the case here. Blue Monday was released 7 March 83. This performance is 1 January 83. So it predates the release by a full three months. I'm glad it didn't keep this live form. The final version is arranged so much tighter and meaner. So great to see them struggling with performance responsibilities. Gillian is being patient while Barney is fiddling with her synth. And Hooky is going crazy on the bass. He moved almost the same way when I saw them at the Fox in Atlanta in 85. The difference is, they were so much tighter than this performance. And the sound was so loud that I actually suffered hearing loss for a long time after. Totally worth it, though. Never forgot the performance. The best concert of my young life.
And their sound *STILL* is lound! I recalling on my first New Order gig, November 2018 , São Paulo and ...pal...i thought I was lost my hearing. Fortunately it didn't last and I recovery my hearing.
@@anapaulacarneiro4175 Yeah, the weird thing is that the song that definitely did damage was Perfect Kiss, and to this day every time I hear that track my ear drum vibrates strangely. And just that song, no other. But you're right, they are louder than most heavy metal bands.
@@charlessomerset9754 For sure! On my returning from the job today, I was listening Sunrise on repeat (yeah, I'm this kind of person...) And fantasizing how a cover would sound by some current rock band. A fellow from New Order Brasil once time said about Sunrise "they did a heavy metal sound...mora than some current heavy metal bands".
05:05-06:05 Anyone notice what's going on here? Gillian is standing there doing nothing. So she starts twisting a knob on the synth. The second she does, it immideatly attracks Bernhards attention. He turns her way, leans over to practically make her push against the speaker. Then a few seconds later, she offers to help by turning a knob. As soon as she does. Bernard grabs the same knob, forcing her hand out of the way. It's ridiculous, It's like he's 5 years old. She's a grown woman and more competent musician than he'll ever be. I've seen this scenario happen in multiple New Order live videos, including the (in)famous BBC live TOTP gig.
I'd dispute the 'more competent musician' bit. New Order keyboards were famous for only using the white notes. But there is a bit of "leave it to the boys" going on. This is still very early in their development and Gillian hadn't been in Joy Division.
@@jeffblack5024 I see what you're saying. Gillian played with Joy Division on multiple occasions, but to be fair, she wasn't a member. She did however play in other bands, and was/is a skilled musician (relative, I know). And though I actually don't subscribe to the "competent" phrase myself, it was just to point out that there's no real reason to push her aside. I'd go as far as to call it "leave it to Bernard". He strikes me as a spoiled brat sometimes. But that's just my opinon. I think what it also boils down to, is that when Bernard is not busy singing, he wants to do something else. Should've brought his own synth. ☺
yes see what you mean she should have told to barney get back to singing instead off moving in on the synthesizer..that woman is the best in the business when it comes to programming them very talented
@@styxcreek occasionally brilliant but mostly an appalling live singer and guitarist, I totally understand how Hooky finally lost all patience with him
Bernard is like a 5 year old. “Its MY synth! Get out of the way!”. Seen it on multiple live videos. He’s pushing Gillian to the corner. What an asshat.
Se nota una "tensión" entre Summer y Hook por "protagonismo creativo", creo que por momentos "hookie" se desbordá de emoción tocando y Summer medio que no lo soporta.....
No, this band weren't about musical skill and technicality. They were about feel and atmosphere. Yes he isn't the greatest singer, but his voice and style adds something that made New Order what they were. In the same way that Ian Dury made The Blockheads what they were. Rubbish singer, but it was his vocal delivery and style that made them so unique. You have to remember that punk and post punk/new wave punk were NOT about musical skill. It was about rawness and energy.
when floppy discs were a great thing 🥰🥰🥰🥰
What a sound..just goes to reinforce the fact, how it was hooky's melodic bass lines that kept the thing together during those early chaotic live sets.
...and he wasn't too shabby on those synth-drums, either!
Peter Hook has to go down as one of the top 20 bass players of all time. You can hear his bass in everything.
How can u ignore the human drum machine that is stephen
@@YenPox69: Um, he was referenced just two comments before yours.
Bernard was a chaos agent every night
I’m glad there are others who still love these songs!
Too right mate,classic sounds that’ll never get old.
When New Order was raw and special to watch live back in the day...
Nothing more than their own tribute band these days. I miss when seeing them was such a hit and miss affair, when they struck it right they were total magic
@@RollrightKnights Pretty magical when I saw them in September!
@@RollrightKnights crazy how hooky does more justice to their songs today
Still love them.
Hooky giving it absolutely everything there
Amazing drummer, like a human metronome
Oh, yes, that's Stephen Morris' alternative middle-name, the primary is "human drum-machine" 😁
I'magine being the drummer or even the bassist for two of the greatest bands of all time. Mindboggling.
Although New Order was starting to incorporate more electronic elements into its music with the futuristic "Blue Monday" and the breakdance anthem "Confusion," you could still, at this early stage, clearly make out the band's post-punk roots; particularly in its rhythm section. Peter Hook's droning basslines and Stephen Morris' frantic drumming were prominent parts of the Joy Division sound, which New Order emerged from. Bernard Sumner's vocals on "Consent" are also very reminiscent of Ian Curtis' downbeat singing on Joy Division classics like "Transmission" and "She's Lost Control." A most interesting blend of the old with the new. The Stone Roses and the Happy Mondays would similarly combine influences from the past with cutting-edge dance music, when they fused 1960s jangle pop and psychedelic rock with pumping Chicago-style house.
New Order were utterly brilliant pre-1987.
And beyond
This is awesome. All live as well. What a band. I hope to see them live some day. Hope they could all get together again.
They are on tour now in the US with the Pet Shop Boys. I saw them in September a great show.
@@ericboyle8296 for whatever reason this tour skipped Cleveland. We planned on getting tickets if they were going to Detroit, but that never happened.
@@mheberling5939 Bummer. This was a redo of the tour cancelled by Covid. Lots of East Coast dates but spread out.
Incredible performance. My mate always said New Order were only good when Hooky had short hair.
This was actually best performance of Blue Monday live on tv.....remember the TOTP version?
In fact, this is the first time I "got"/understood why Blue Monday is liked. The live version here is so much better than the studio recordings, including as an actual dance number. The studio recordings make it sound gimmicky.
@@davidmeichner8346 Blue Monday base drums were created by accident. I think that it was never their intent to make something "polished".
I like the TOTP version, you can clearly see Barney is fucked lol think it still holds the record for most chart positions dropped after appearing on TOTP, New Order really know how to shake things up lol
I always loved the imperfections this band displayed whilst performing live. They were the best! In my mind, New Order doesn’t exist without Peter Hook!
Well said
My favorite bassist.
What I would give to return back to the 80s.
The dream of the 80s is alive in Portland.
When I put Power Corruption and Lies on the turntable for the first time and the opening chords of Age of Consent rang out I knew immediately that New Order shed the tragedy and trauma of Joy Division and emerged with an entirely new sound and identity. Still sends chills down my spine.
Gillian and Hooky smiling together - those were the days.
Ha
That's cute how Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook have matching guitar and bass during the first song. Great music too, 2 different but very influential tracks
I could just hit random on ALL the New Order/Joy Division albums all day long.
Bernard has never sounded this good live. Nice.
Yeah I’m a bit caught off guard
@@Sporkonafork1 Right?? I love New Order, but he'll never be accused of being a great singer. Especially live. 😬
The Music is really geest. It’s Bernard who doesn’t belongs to it . He just can’t sing live. Thats’s a shame
There’s a great NYC live (82?): focus performance, including Summer’s vocal, tough and cold.
Sounds like the vocals have been auto-tuned or something.
バーナードサムナーのボーカルとギターを聴くと音楽はテクニック至上主義ではない事が証明されたと思う。大好きだなー！
初めてライブ映像見た時絶句したけどこのヘタクソ加減がなんか癖になるんだよな笑
Dang the drums on another level 🤘🏼🤘🏼👏🏼 Hellz Yeha love those 80s bands They rockin .. sux this day in age music will never be the same…
i seem to remember Barney singing "and if it wasnt for your large penis" instead of "and if it wasnt for your misfortunes" at one rendition of Blue Monday, quality
'Those who came all over me' at 7.15 is another one right here haha
@@jaytotale sneaky Barney 😄
This early live version is FRIGGIN' BANGIN' HELL YEAH , NUFF RESPEKT !
Still love it in 2022......Fantastic sound..
New Order at the point where they stopped being Joy Division and found their own sound (and still liked each other). They were just unique and so far ahead of everybody else. Of course they made mistakes - they were busy mapping out new territory.
Bass is KING!
It's like Blue Monday hadn't reached its final form. Strange. Barney has said a few times that he firmly believes that a live performance should sound exactly like the record. That's what people fall in love with first, and any deviation is a distraction from the performance. That's not to say that they haven't road tested songs before committing them to a master, though. Which is the case here. Blue Monday was released 7 March 83. This performance is 1 January 83. So it predates the release by a full three months. I'm glad it didn't keep this live form. The final version is arranged so much tighter and meaner. So great to see them struggling with performance responsibilities. Gillian is being patient while Barney is fiddling with her synth. And Hooky is going crazy on the bass. He moved almost the same way when I saw them at the Fox in Atlanta in 85. The difference is, they were so much tighter than this performance. And the sound was so loud that I actually suffered hearing loss for a long time after. Totally worth it, though. Never forgot the performance. The best concert of my young life.
And their sound *STILL* is lound! I recalling on my first New Order gig, November 2018 , São Paulo and ...pal...i thought I was lost my hearing. Fortunately it didn't last and I recovery my hearing.
@@anapaulacarneiro4175 Yeah, the weird thing is that the song that definitely did damage was Perfect Kiss, and to this day every time I hear that track my ear drum vibrates strangely. And just that song, no other. But you're right, they are louder than most heavy metal bands.
@@charlessomerset9754 For sure! On my returning from the job today, I was listening Sunrise on repeat (yeah, I'm this kind of person...) And fantasizing how a cover would sound by some current rock band. A fellow from New Order Brasil once time said about Sunrise "they did a heavy metal sound...mora than some current heavy metal bands".
Stephen Morris is one of the most underrated drummers of ALL time! Just watch how sharp and on he is: F*cking A-class! ☑ 👍
Hot swapping the floppies! ✨
One of those jump out of the couch and cheer moments
Gillians like stand aside bruh, I got this...
Hooky and Morris could take the entire world if they so wished
8:12 oh my god!! Floppy disk!!
Very classic Nuh Ordah!
Awe I'm 13 again with this kick ass song!
I really like this version, Hooky's just blazing
He is!!!!
No Ableton in sight. Just people living in the moment.
lol. The amount of programming was insane.
Jfc they swap out floppies.
05:05-06:05 Anyone notice what's going on here? Gillian is standing there doing nothing. So she starts twisting a knob on the synth. The second she does, it immideatly attracks Bernhards attention. He turns her way, leans over to practically make her push against the speaker. Then a few seconds later, she offers to help by turning a knob. As soon as she does. Bernard grabs the same knob, forcing her hand out of the way. It's ridiculous, It's like he's 5 years old. She's a grown woman and more competent musician than he'll ever be. I've seen this scenario happen in multiple New Order live videos, including the (in)famous BBC live TOTP gig.
I'd dispute the 'more competent musician' bit. New Order keyboards were famous for only using the white notes. But there is a bit of "leave it to the boys" going on. This is still very early in their development and Gillian hadn't been in Joy Division.
@@jeffblack5024 I see what you're saying.
Gillian played with Joy Division on multiple occasions, but to be fair, she wasn't a member. She did however play in other bands, and was/is a skilled musician (relative, I know). And though I actually don't subscribe to the "competent" phrase myself, it was just to point out that there's no real reason to push her aside. I'd go as far as to call it "leave it to Bernard". He strikes me as a spoiled brat sometimes. But that's just my opinon.
I think what it also boils down to, is that when Bernard is not busy singing, he wants to do something else. Should've brought his own synth. ☺
@@amelie5525 Probably the story of his life.
Yup Barney can be a right prick
Nice to see floppy discs being swapped into the synth. And to hear bernie's lyric changes XD
Hook and Morris could carry any band.
Like the enormous reverb in their voices ❤
Gillian looking really hot and slightly underemployed.
yes see what you mean she should have told to barney get back to singing instead off moving in on the synthesizer..that woman is the best in the business when it comes to programming them very talented
Why no bands make good new sounds like this anymore? Sounds just like the studio version.. perfection
Vocals off key completely
@@sponkmcdonk3898 That's the beauty of Barney, never heard him sing in key live ever.
You’ll get the hang of it someday guys
Hooky’s bass hits me deep in the feels
Ah. The music of the Cylon 🤖
One of my favorite bands 😎😎 magnificent music electric 😎😎
Beautifully shambolic 😎
Peter Hook must have gotten an endless line of hot chicks back in that day. ...maybe in my next life I could be like him...
My absolute fav….
The best of the working class.
Only Hooky was working class
@@marguskiis7711 Guess you're right.
@@MarcioSilva-ssiillvvaa Wrong! Read Bernard's memoir.
Brilliant live when they were up for it.
Generally I think they were a studio band really. A bit like the cars in that sense
Unusually good vocals from Bernard. He was very hit and miss back then
@@styxcreek occasionally brilliant but mostly an appalling live singer and guitarist, I totally understand how Hooky finally lost all patience with him
When they were up for it indeed, they mostly seemed to deliberately sabotage audiences expectations of them live back in the day
What a nice color!
Definitivamente tienen el alma de Joy Division.
Inserting new large floppy disk at 8:11. 🙂
Barney the perry boy.
Morris is glad he gets a break for Blue Monday
Fabulous!
beautiful
brilliant.
No Hook..... no Order
So ist es
I saw New Order a few weeks ago and I have to agree with you. That bass line of his is infectious.
very cool
eeee good old days
Awesome
5:59 lol
Excelente
Bernard "Those who came all over me..."
A beauty
Can't Bernard get his own keyboard?
They were expensive back then.
Bernard is like a 5 year old. “Its MY synth! Get out of the way!”. Seen it on multiple live videos. He’s pushing Gillian to the corner. What an asshat.
April fool's Day 1983.
Oh…only to be there.
6:14 tuning of that mono synth is off from the backing track 😬
Hook's bass is so forceful on these live versions
4:41 Blue Monday
Peter Hook is one leg of the stool. Is stool poop? We need better words.
WHAT EFFECT DOES HE HAVE ON HIS VOICE?
new wave
New Order without Peter Hook are just not the same
Anyone complimenting the band here?
happy joy division
These songs would fall flat without Hooky’s bass.
Se nota una "tensión" entre Summer y Hook por "protagonismo creativo", creo que por momentos "hookie" se desbordá de emoción tocando y Summer medio que no lo soporta.....
Fred Perry
Love the guy shoving the girl out of the way instead of letting her do it at the beginning of Repetitive Monday.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
No Hooky, no New Order
I hate seeing comments of a members not playing instruments, shut up
Blue Monday was 100% inspired and ripped off from Gary Numan influences and sounds! Hilarious Gillian popping in floppy disks into the Moog
😂i cant tell if you're taking the piss... or not 😮
It goes to show you don’t have to be musically talented or even in rhythm to be creative and come up with great songs
Imagine how wonderful this band could have been with a better lead singer?
No. This is New Order, perfect band... Joy Division->New Order
No, this band weren't about musical skill and technicality. They were about feel and atmosphere. Yes he isn't the greatest singer, but his voice and style adds something that made New Order what they were. In the same way that Ian Dury made The Blockheads what they were. Rubbish singer, but it was his vocal delivery and style that made them so unique.
You have to remember that punk and post punk/new wave punk were NOT about musical skill. It was about rawness and energy.
Everything is off key lmao
Terrible .but that's why we loved them.without hooky their just terrible full stop
Sumner cant sing and is out of tune because he isnt using his autotune also his guitar is out on tune.
Miss that voice
salford and macc casuals..
Great live version of Blue Monday…live the Prophet 5 and EMU 2 👍🎹🎛🎧