That's a stunner, I owned a T100 and a T120, the 1200 is the way to go, smooth and powerful, superb gearing which is Triumph's hallmark, true swiss army of motorbikes. A British beauty.
Would love to see you do a comparison between The Speed Twin 1200, BMW R Nine T, Kawazaki 900 RS, Honda CB 1100 RS and Indian FTR 1200. All absolutely fantastic modern retros.
Can't tell you about how the others square up, but I bought an R NineT over the Speed Twin. There wasn't loads in it, but the BMW felt more premium and was a more comfortable riding position.
I've had the Thruxton R for seven years, a BMW R9T/5 for two years, Z900RS SE for a couple months and rode a FTR 1200 about 100 miles. The most comfortable is Z900RS SE by a bit with the BMW , FTR, and Thruxton in order. Engine smoothness is Thruxton, Z900RS SE, BMW and FTR in order. Power and quickness I'd say the Z900RS, BMW, FTR and Thruxton. Handling on curvy roads the Thruxton is the best by a bit followed by Z900RS, BMW and FTR. I haven’t taken the Z900RS to the drag strip yet but I expect a 11.5 to 11.6 ET in the quarter mile with at least 140 mph top speed. The BMW was unexpectedly quick, the Thruxton unexpectedly smooth, the FTR looks a little better than it runs, the Kawasaki Z900RS SE may be the best overall but the Thruxton is still my favorite.
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@@flatcapcaferacer wonderful post! many thxs for the summary!!!
@@alganasanugentiran8358 I mostly do long distance roadtrips now so personally spending 200km a day on the bike is pretty normal (about 400km a day is what I usually plan for). However, it does get tiring battling the wind at 120+ km/h (for me it's about an hour and a half before I need to take a rest). At anything below 100km/h I find it quite relaxing. Depending on your height and preferred sitting position you may or may not find yourself leaning a bit forward in a more sporty stance so do go get a test ride if you're interested. Good luck!
@@alganasanugentiran8358 I mostly do long distance roadtrips now so personally spending 200km a day on the bike is pretty normal (about 400km a day is what I usually plan for). However, it does get tiring battling the wind at 120+ km/h (for me it's about an hour and a half before I need to take a rest). At anything below 100km/h I find it quite relaxing. Depending on your height and preferred sitting position you may or may not find yourself leaning a bit forward in a more sporty stance so do go get a test ride if you're interested. Good luck!
I have a speed twin 1200 23, bought her in São Paulo, 500km far from my home in Rio de Janeiro and I brought her riding and I was overwhelmed with its handling, confort and performance. In addition, she is fck beautiful and recalls the 1st bike I had at the very begining. A wolf in sheep’s clothing! 🤜🤛
What a fantastic motorcycle...superb iconic Triumph looks, abundance of real world power/torque, modern brakes/suspension and handling. Simply brilliant. Love it.
I am not a biker but this beautiful machine makes me think....maybe...just maybe....I will be one fine day. The instruments alone are gorgeous.♥ Thanks for an enjoyable review.
I had this same bike (2020). Very nice and refined. People would stop me at stores to have a discussion. I rode it 1,600 miles from Burlington, Vermont to Miami, Florida two years ago. This is where I learned that a naked bike is just fine in most cases and it kept my speed down. One flaw in the 2020 was that in sport mode it would stall! Very imperceptibly just shut-off. Quite dangerous many times as I would go to accelerate and then nothing there! I read in the forums that this is a known issue. I then switched to any other mode and no longer had the problem. Otherwise, a great feeling of quality, solidity and class.
After having tried the 400x in the ‘issing rain yesterday I was so glad to ride my 1200 speed back home even in the rain although mine is from new 2019 for 70th it’s a cracking’ bike
Have owned both the 900 and 1200 ST and would like to put this 5 speed/6 speed gearbox thing into perspective. The 900 ratios are wider than the 1200. The 900 in 5th at 70mph is doing 3750 rpm. The 1200 in 6th at 70mph is also doing 3750rpm (give or take) This is because the motor is slightly detuned thruxton lump with short ratios for a sportier ride. I swapped the front sprocket on the 1200 to a T120 one (up 1 tooth) to chill things out as 1st gear felt really short.
Thanks for mentioning your height and I wish all testers would do the same every time they publish a review. My wife has a T120 and it's a beautiful machine, but at 6ft I find it a bit small. I'm happy to hear that the Speed Twin seems to be a bit more roomy and maybe I should take one for a ride and see if it fits me better.
I went with the 900 - absolutely love the bike! It fit my short legs a bit better, it was *a lot* cheaper here in the States, and my goodness can it get on it! I'm primarily an urban rider who takes jaunts through the exurbs on the weekends (semi-rural) and it fits my needs perfectly!
I have a 2022 T100 gold line. A lot of people consider it a “naked bike” but I reserve that title for the Speed Twin 1200, Trident and of course your Japanese offerings. The T100 is just a sweet bike to cruise on with no particular place to go and to ride to work. It will accelerate and go as fast as I need it on the freeway and it’s just a nice, easy going engine. This weekend I rode a couple hours to a very small town a couple hours away from the big city to go eat at my favorite Mexican restaurant. It’s a bike that gives me peace.
@@MrSpeed-lt8gr For me it came down to the ST900 and T100. The T100's tank was hitting my inner thigh in a weird spot and felt like it was bowing my legs out. The ST900 fit like a glove. It's not a bike meant for riding on the US interstate highway system for any length of time, where people are cruising 80 MPH - 90 MPH, but for riding in town or taking rides out to the country on the weekend on two lane highways? It's perfect! Like you say, ride for a couple of hours outside of town and enjoy a meal at your favorite restaurant. That's what these bikes were meant for.
I agree with you once again about the stupid front mudguard. And I''d prefer to see the mudguards painted gloss black to match the rest of the bike. That said, it's good to see that Triumph have dialed back a bit on the brushed aluminium components, which I always thought looked cheap and a bit industrial. Deep gloss painted tinwear looks so much better.
I own a ST. I had the mudguards and yokes painted black. I didn’t realise what a brilliant machine it was until i rode 3000 miles on a Harley on Route 66. Riding the ST on my return was a joy after the hideous gear box of the HD.
Good to know. I’m a T100 owner and looking to upgrade to a HD or Speed Twin. Something about the weight of the HD attracts me too it, for freeway safety I guess.
Speed Twin is very good. Amazing sound! The only problem (both from a design and practical point of view) is the stubby back. One of the owners complained that the passenger broke the turn signal while climbing (very close to the seat).
Great looking machine , the 1200 Speed Twin is a hooligan to ride , puts a smile on your face every time you throw a leg over it, the only negative is Triumph should offer it in more colour options (it's a bit bland in black, grey etc) would look awesome in the metallic British Racing Green paint scheme seen on the Thruxton.
Good review, I like this bike. I currently have a speed triple RS 1050. I think this will be next! The trouble is I love my triple too much! I am 60, so when the time is right! Cheers. Keep em coming👍🏻
I sat on the speed twin and the t120 back to back at the dealership. The t120 felt better for me. It felt lighter and my feet touched the floor better. The speed twin felt heavier even though it is lighter and the foot peg was right in the way of my leg, when I put my feet to the floor. I actually preferred the T120. If you are going to buy a retro it seems to be more of the look of a retro. My retro's are my sportster and Heritage now. My modern is my 2023 ZX4RR.
Great review, interesting to hear your views which echo other reviewers who seem to prefer the 900cc engine unit. Also as a Street Twin (900cc) owner who came from a 6 Speed Yamaha, I've never found the 5 gears limiting as the engine has a wide spread of torque across the rev band and is very willing at most rpms. Just love these bikes.
It's a great looking bike, with an exceptional finish. I thought about buying one. I was put off by the fussy looking clocks, that are at a strange angle, meaning you need to look down, and the not grade A suspension, front and back, that costs over £1,000 to remedy. Thanks for vlog. Safe riding.
I was going to trade my Harley Ultra Limited in on one a few month’s ago but couldn’t come to an agreement with the dealership on my trade in value. Looking back at it, I’m kinda glad it didn’t work out, but I still think the Speed Twin 1200 would make a great second bike to the Harley. I will have one in the near future. Drool.
The 900cc engine is better for all day use IMO, but you don't get those looks of the 1200cc. The 1200 uses 25% more fuel if that's an issue. I had a 900cc T100 for 5+ years and swapped it for a 1200 speed twin in June 23.Very pleased with the 1200,it's like 2 bikes in one, a cruiser, then a race rep, open it up and BANG your gone.
I was well impressed with the speed twin it’s a lot quicker than it looks on paper after an hour of riding on test I was finding the front wheel lifting under hard acceleration in a smooth controlled manner it’s handling and manners were confidence inspiring, the only downside I found was it seems to be a small bike in ergonomics but I would definitely recommend it
The best looking Triumph in my opinion in this color scheme. The brushed aluminum (or stainless steel?) mud guards look fabulous. The black with the brushed metal makes it stand out. Everything black (gloss or matt) would seem very cheap to me. The mud guards look short but that simply fits the great style of the bike. Fabulous. I would even remove the back mud guard because it would make the bike look even better. Just don't ride in the rain or worse if you are reluctant to clean it. I am a nice weather rider and prefer looks over usefulness.
Love mine! Passed my test back in Jan and bought a 2021 Speed twin in black in Feb, had a great biking season this year with it! Superb bike! Love the looks, power and handling
I have the 2023 version. The only gripes I have are lack of self canceling turn signals, lack of cruise control and the heat the engine produces. If your moving it’s fine. Here in Texas if you’re not moving your inner legs are roasting.
Great review. I agree with you, both bikes are brilliant. They are both great looking. For 95% of a ride you will not use more power than the 900 version can and will deliver. The 900 version is cheaper to buy, ride and insure and just as good looking. So it’s the 5% of a ride you have to consider. So how much grin do you want and how much are you prepared to pay per grin?
I can very much appreciate Triumphs but am definitely biased towards air-cooled (classic) Sportsters. As usual, an entertaining and informative review from Mr Darcy & The Ol' Man. Keep on riding! P.S. Have never heard a Triumph with after-market pipes. If you ever get a chance to review one, would love to hear it.
Im sold. I'll take one for my second bike. It can sit next to the Low Rider S. A Harley Davidson and a Triumph in the garage? That is motorcycle heaven to me!
I found that the ergonomics are quite cantered forward on this bike which puts pressure on my ailing knees and wrists. Its a small cockpit as well. The r9t is better in this respect however i prefer the triumphs engine over the beamers because of the broad spread of torque where the beamers power is more focused at the top end.
Had a 19 plate, loved it but wish Triumph (and other manufacturers for their bikes) offered longer mudguards...riding in all weathers covers you in crap. Also, they should fit them gauges to all their range, their digital offering on the street RS etc is simply horrendous
Another great review 👍👍I’ve rode both and prefer the 900 ! I personally think that the 1200 is to much with all the wind blast 👍 Definitely to small for anyone over 5 ‘10
People harping on about the mudguards. If this bike had the T120 mudguards it would ruin the looks of the bike, imo. If you want long mudguards then buy a T120 and not a Speed Twin, like I did. Then cut them to look like a Speed Twin! 😂👍
I'm a proud owner of this bike in Mat Baja Orange. it was her birthday yesterday with 9400 kms (5875 miles for british viewers). my dream goal in motorbike is reached. my fuel average is about 240 kms(150 miles) with a full tank. i'm 5 foot 10 high and no problem to have feet on the ground at stop. if i would have some cons, i 'd say she's a little bit heavy to manoeuver (216kg, 476lb) and a short turning radius. but i love it for many reasons and don't want to change (i was looking at the 900...) And as you said, people in the street always tell me sh'es beautifull. thanks for this review, you can find "Mandarine" (that's her name) on my channel. best regards
I’ll never understand why all their bikes don’t have twin analog dials Your dads thoughts on mudguards are so right maybe Triumph will wake up some day those mudguards are useless I’m not criticizing your review it’s excellent as always
Always love your picks! Personally, I would be more interested if Triumph added R12 ninet-level electronic equipment to the next version of this. Of course, while maintaining that classic style.
The 1200 Speed Twin is a beautiful bike indeed. I own a t120 which overall I prefer except for the rims. I had two rear punctures this year and the spoked rim, while attractive require tubes. Dealing with that miles from anywhere is a nightmare. Not so with the Speed. When it comes to wheels I'll take function over form all day.
Fantastic bike to ride what lets it down IMO is the styling and attention to detail. Overall it's a great looking bike I just hate the very fake looking engine - yes I get its a retro but the fake carbs and hiding the radiator and pretending its an air cooled twin is almost insulting - I much prefer the honest approach in the Z900RS. Also it just didn't feel quite "special" enough with little design details like Moto Guzzi does. Hopefully with the axing of the Thruxton they will release a high spec version of the Speed Twin.
Beautiful machine! Apart from, again, the mudguards. The front one does look nice but does not quite do its job. The rear one... well, if it is necessary to fit all those plastic prolongations they could rather have fitted a proper mudguard instead, in my personal opinion. I have not ridden any Triumph since 2016, but remember comparing the T1200 with the Speed Twin 900. The T1200 felt massively impressing in every way, although I experienced the 900 a little snappier and better suited for my type of riding. Great video! 😊
I think I'd have custom made replacement mudguards. Much longer for the front, slightly longer on the back and a bit more deeply valanced (though not as much as the T 120) so the plastic number plate hanger could be done away with and replaced with neater tail-tidy. I can think of a couple of good sheet metal workers who could make those probably for not much more than Triumph's original parts. Then I'd have them painted gloss black to match. And while I was at it I'd have the heel guards and maybe even the yokes painted gloss black as well. I know someone who did this with the crinkle-finished cycle parts on his otherwise gloss black Harley and the end effect was stunning. Made a 20 grand bike look like 30 grand. If a bike's a keeper I think it's worth making these investments and a properly functioning front mudguard will save the front of the engine from a great deal of dirt and corrosion.
I rode one for a weekend, last summer. I find it to be really mean, compared to my 900 as it is constantly in a higher rev-range than the smaller one, and the power distribution of the engine is really brutal if you open it up. I was honestly scared by this thing. (Might be too old for a proper sports bike meanwhile) Also, i didn't enjoy the front brakes too much, as they needed to be warmed up to work properly. But what really killed this machine for me was the cost of ownership: In my country it costs three times the insurance fee of a 900, and parts like tyres, brakes etc. are quite expensive.
It's as good as 100 Bhp! That is 80's superbike territory! If you're not "scared by this thing", you're either Valentino Rossi or a 20 year old from 1985.
'Begging for ace bars.. ..and swapping those mounting brackets around to raise the headlamp.. (what's the deal with shortening the rear mudguard and then adding an extender? ..And let's hope the rear pillion's jacket doesn't obscure that poorly placed minimalist tail light). - I do love it though, the whole package, it *looks* fast, you just *know* it'll not disappoint. Damn, that's a fine looking Motorcycle.
Lovely looking bike. I like the idea of adding a 1200 Bonnie of some description to the garage. I'll have to ride the Speed Twin but my instinct says buy a used Thruxton RS for the better suspension and fit flat bars. Test ride in the spring I think.
I was talking to a mate of mine on this very same subject only a couple of months ago. Our conclusion was that if you buy the Thruxton and modify it for comfort, you've got all the "good" bits that go with the Thruxton for not that much more money. We also reckon that they're going to hold their value better now that they're discontinued and recent sales volumes haven't been high.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I'll have to ride one first to see if I can live with the clip-ons. I rode the original R but it was a few years ago and I only did a few miles on it. I know the top yoke on the RS isn't drilled for risers and bar clamps so it might be a case of aftermarket extended clip-ons. Definitely going to look into it though. A nice '20/'21 black one can be had for 10 grand and most of them are spotless. I think it's going to have to be done..
@@JimDoar-c2t For some reason I thought that the more recent Thruxtons had fork top mounted clubman style bars. I just had a look and you are indeed correct. Interestingly, it was fitted with risers that might just suit your needs. A friend of mine has an '04, which I really love. The riding position on that is certainly "sporty", but it's not ridiculous. The engine, while not ridiculously powerful, is characterful and has enough berries for road riding. The stock suspension on his was pretty basic, and that's being polite. He upgraded both the front and rear and it was like riding a completely different bike. I can see why you would want to go for the full Ohlins package. It's a lot of bike for the money. Probably a bit too much bike for me, but I can certainly see the appeal. It sounds like you've convinced yourself of the decision. Good luck tracking one down and enjoy!
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I was looking last night and British Legends do a flat bar conversion kit for the RS. Not that cheap at 480 odd Euros considering you only get the top yoke with risers and clamps. You have to supply your own bars and depending how wide you go you may need cable extensions. But it's certainly doable. I'm sure with a bit more looking or some engineering the clip-ons could be extended upwards. I do like the look of the clean top yoke that you get with clip-ons. I think it's well worth the money to get the freer spinning engine and the Ohlins suspension. The RS has better brakes than the R too. Roll on spring.
Judging by the host of comments regarding those silly 'token' mudguards, there must be a healthy market out there for all kinds of 'fit for purpose' tinware to improve 'modern-retro' bikes! : )
Thorough review of this awesome bike by a real biker 👍 Which bike feels more torquy when riding in a 20 mph zone in 6th gear, Darcy? Your HOG, or this Triumph?
No question about it, it's a beautiful bike. But I'm still partial to my BMW R9T Scrambler. In my opinion, better looking bike. It's got a rugged character about it. I get compliments all the time and head turns. But the sound of the BMW Scrambler is just fantastic with the Acropovic twin exhaust as well as the torque and the maintenance free drive shaft. Just my 2 cents... But again, the triumph is also a very beautiful and well crafted bike. Wouldn't mind having one of those too! ;-)
Speaking for myself of course, the last thing I would want is a "gentleman's motorcycle". Bikes shouldn't be obnoxious, but motorcycles should definitely have flash and balls.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan It’s one thing how you feel, another how you look. A pair of pijamas are very comfy but you don’t get out in them :))) You get my drift
Thank you, they are fuel gloves. Really pleased with them. We have a review video coming up talking about a bunch of fuel gear! Here’s the link to the gloves: fuelmotorcycles.eu/products/rodeo-glove-brown
Really good motorcycle that I want to buy, but I'll wait for the next generation model. The world is advancing with huge leaps, and I think there should be more innovations implemented in this motorcycle, starting from the instrument panel, for example, a TFT that would provide more information. Even conservative BMW motorcycles already have that. Of course, maintaining the Triumph style is always necessary, that's why we admire them.
@@johnnyboy1586 You're not that old. You know that you're old when you look at the gauges and curse the manufacturers for putting them so close that you can't read them. And you start saying things like, "why didn't they put these on the front mud guard where blokes like me can see them".
I wouldn’t consider it if it had a TFT. Rider modes are even a bit ridiculous to me. My rider mode is this 👊. ABS is nice for deers in the rain I guess.
You didn’t compare the brakes and Suspention to the 900 and I’d be interested in knowing if you thought the upgraded brakes and Suspention made a big difference
That's a stunner, I owned a T100 and a T120, the 1200 is the way to go, smooth and powerful, superb gearing which is Triumph's hallmark, true swiss army of motorbikes. A British beauty.
Would love to see you do a comparison between The Speed Twin 1200, BMW R Nine T, Kawazaki 900 RS, Honda CB 1100 RS and Indian FTR 1200. All absolutely fantastic modern retros.
And Ducati Scrambler 1100 😉
Can't tell you about how the others square up, but I bought an R NineT over the Speed Twin. There wasn't loads in it, but the BMW felt more premium and was a more comfortable riding position.
I've had the Thruxton R for seven years, a BMW R9T/5 for two years, Z900RS SE for a couple months and rode a FTR 1200 about 100 miles. The most comfortable is Z900RS SE by a bit with the BMW , FTR, and Thruxton in order.
Engine smoothness is Thruxton, Z900RS SE, BMW and FTR in order. Power and quickness I'd say the Z900RS, BMW, FTR and Thruxton. Handling on curvy roads the Thruxton is the best by a bit followed by Z900RS, BMW and FTR.
I haven’t taken the Z900RS to the drag strip yet but I expect a 11.5 to 11.6 ET in the quarter mile with at least 140 mph top speed.
The BMW was unexpectedly quick, the Thruxton unexpectedly smooth, the FTR looks a little better than it runs, the Kawasaki Z900RS SE may be the best overall but the Thruxton is still my favorite.
@@flatcapcaferacer wonderful post! many thxs for the summary!!!
Good shout!
I own this bike and honestly it's actually amazing to ride.
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Is it suitable for the highway ? Like for 200+ km ride ?
@@alganasanugentiran8358 I mostly do long distance roadtrips now so personally spending 200km a day on the bike is pretty normal (about 400km a day is what I usually plan for). However, it does get tiring battling the wind at 120+ km/h (for me it's about an hour and a half before I need to take a rest). At anything below 100km/h I find it quite relaxing.
Depending on your height and preferred sitting position you may or may not find yourself leaning a bit forward in a more sporty stance so do go get a test ride if you're interested. Good luck!
@@alganasanugentiran8358 I mostly do long distance roadtrips now so personally spending 200km a day on the bike is pretty normal (about 400km a day is what I usually plan for). However, it does get tiring battling the wind at 120+ km/h (for me it's about an hour and a half before I need to take a rest). At anything below 100km/h I find it quite relaxing.
Depending on your height and preferred sitting position you may or may not find yourself leaning a bit forward in a more sporty stance so do go get a test ride if you're interested. Good luck!
@@alganasanugentiran8358 It will do any distance just fine.
Glad you liked it. I love mine and its all the bike I need, the perfect machine for British roads. Its a keeper, till theft do us part.
hopefully not!
I have a speed twin 1200 23, bought her in São Paulo, 500km far from my home in Rio de Janeiro and I brought her riding and I was overwhelmed with its handling, confort and performance. In addition, she is fck beautiful and recalls the 1st bike I had at the very begining. A wolf in sheep’s clothing! 🤜🤛
What a fantastic motorcycle...superb iconic Triumph looks, abundance of real world power/torque, modern brakes/suspension and handling.
Simply brilliant. Love it.
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I am not a biker but this beautiful machine makes me think....maybe...just maybe....I will be one fine day.
The instruments alone are gorgeous.♥
Thanks for an enjoyable review.
Pleased you enjoyed it 👍🏼
I had this same bike (2020). Very nice and refined. People would stop me at stores to have a discussion.
I rode it 1,600 miles from Burlington, Vermont to Miami, Florida two years ago. This is where I learned that a naked bike is just fine in most cases and it kept my speed down.
One flaw in the 2020 was that in sport mode it would stall! Very imperceptibly just shut-off. Quite dangerous many times as I would go to accelerate and then nothing there!
I read in the forums that this is a known issue. I then switched to any other mode and no longer had the problem.
Otherwise, a great feeling of quality, solidity and class.
How a modern retro should look and perform. And with tubeless tyres. A great bike, I'm very happy with my Speed Twin.😊😊
After having tried the 400x in the ‘issing rain yesterday I was so glad to ride my 1200 speed back home even in the rain although mine is from new 2019 for 70th it’s a cracking’ bike
Thank you! Thank you for finally mentioning the fuel consumption in liters per 100 km 😊
Have owned both the 900 and 1200 ST and would like to put this 5 speed/6 speed gearbox thing into perspective. The 900 ratios are wider than the 1200. The 900 in 5th at 70mph is doing 3750 rpm. The 1200 in 6th at 70mph is also doing 3750rpm (give or take) This is because the motor is slightly detuned thruxton lump with short ratios for a sportier ride. I swapped the front sprocket on the 1200 to a T120 one (up 1 tooth) to chill things out as 1st gear felt really short.
Thanks for mentioning your height and I wish all testers would do the same every time they publish a review. My wife has a T120 and it's a beautiful machine, but at 6ft I find it a bit small. I'm happy to hear that the Speed Twin seems to be a bit more roomy and maybe I should take one for a ride and see if it fits me better.
Watch and enjoy all your videos and you've reviewed lots of cracking bikes but this has be the nicest bike lately, it's a bike I'd love to own. 😍
Many thanks 😊
Yes it is a lovely ride 👍🏼
I went with the 900 - absolutely love the bike! It fit my short legs a bit better, it was *a lot* cheaper here in the States, and my goodness can it get on it! I'm primarily an urban rider who takes jaunts through the exurbs on the weekends (semi-rural) and it fits my needs perfectly!
Awesome 👍🏼
I have a 2022 T100 gold line. A lot of people consider it a “naked bike” but I reserve that title for the Speed Twin 1200, Trident and of course your Japanese offerings. The T100 is just a sweet bike to cruise on with no particular place to go and to ride to work. It will accelerate and go as fast as I need it on the freeway and it’s just a nice, easy going engine. This weekend I rode a couple hours to a very small town a couple hours away from the big city to go eat at my favorite Mexican restaurant. It’s a bike that gives me peace.
@@MrSpeed-lt8gr For me it came down to the ST900 and T100. The T100's tank was hitting my inner thigh in a weird spot and felt like it was bowing my legs out. The ST900 fit like a glove. It's not a bike meant for riding on the US interstate highway system for any length of time, where people are cruising 80 MPH - 90 MPH, but for riding in town or taking rides out to the country on the weekend on two lane highways? It's perfect! Like you say, ride for a couple of hours outside of town and enjoy a meal at your favorite restaurant. That's what these bikes were meant for.
I agree with you once again about the stupid front mudguard. And I''d prefer to see the mudguards painted gloss black to match the rest of the bike. That said, it's good to see that Triumph have dialed back a bit on the brushed aluminium components, which I always thought looked cheap and a bit industrial. Deep gloss painted tinwear looks so much better.
I put a 'Pyramid' fenda extenda on mine. Simple to do and only cost £21.
Most bikes have pathetic mudguards 😮
I really like these. I always have and would buy one tomorrow if it had cruise-control. Why Triumph refuses to put it on this model is beyond me.
Cruise and heated grips are appreciated by anyone with hands. But why would T pay $50 more to install both, when customer will pay $500?
I own a ST. I had the mudguards and yokes painted black. I didn’t realise what a brilliant machine it was until i rode 3000 miles on a Harley on Route 66. Riding the ST on my return was a joy after the hideous gear box of the HD.
Good to know. I’m a T100 owner and looking to upgrade to a HD or Speed Twin. Something about the weight of the HD attracts me too it, for freeway safety I guess.
Speed Twin is very good. Amazing sound!
The only problem (both from a design and practical point of view) is the stubby back. One of the owners complained that the passenger broke the turn signal while climbing (very close to the seat).
Thanks for the tips!
Great looking machine , the 1200 Speed Twin is a hooligan to ride , puts a smile on your face every time you throw a leg over it, the only negative is Triumph should offer it in more colour options (it's a bit bland in black, grey etc) would look awesome in the metallic British Racing Green paint scheme seen on the Thruxton.
Definitely 👍🏼
Your wish was Triumphs command. Look at the all new and very last Thruxton.
I have one in the limited Sunburst Orange colour, it really is stunning
Good review, I like this bike. I currently have a speed triple RS 1050. I think this will be next! The trouble is I love my triple too much! I am 60, so when the time is right! Cheers. Keep em coming👍🏻
I sat on the speed twin and the t120 back to back at the dealership. The t120 felt better for me. It felt lighter and my feet touched the floor better. The speed twin felt heavier even though it is lighter and the foot peg was right in the way of my leg, when I put my feet to the floor. I actually preferred the T120. If you are going to buy a retro it seems to be more of the look of a retro. My retro's are my sportster and Heritage now. My modern is my 2023 ZX4RR.
Great review, interesting to hear your views which echo other reviewers who seem to prefer the 900cc engine unit. Also as a Street Twin (900cc) owner who came from a 6 Speed Yamaha, I've never found the 5 gears limiting as the engine has a wide spread of torque across the rev band and is very willing at most rpms. Just love these bikes.
It's a great looking bike, with an exceptional finish. I thought about buying one. I was put off by the fussy looking clocks, that are at a strange angle, meaning you need to look down, and the not grade A suspension, front and back, that costs over £1,000 to remedy. Thanks for vlog. Safe riding.
I was going to trade my Harley Ultra Limited in on one a few month’s ago but couldn’t come to an agreement with the dealership on my trade in value. Looking back at it, I’m kinda glad it didn’t work out, but I still think the Speed Twin 1200 would make a great second bike to the Harley. I will have one in the near future. Drool.
The 900cc engine is better for all day use IMO, but you don't get those looks of the 1200cc. The 1200 uses 25% more fuel if that's an issue. I had a 900cc T100 for 5+ years and swapped it for a 1200 speed twin in June 23.Very pleased with the 1200,it's like 2 bikes in one, a cruiser, then a race rep, open it up and BANG your gone.
The stock exhaust sounds pretty good.
I think so too!
I was well impressed with the speed twin it’s a lot quicker than it looks on paper after an hour of riding on test I was finding the front wheel lifting under hard acceleration in a smooth controlled manner it’s handling and manners were confidence inspiring, the only downside I found was it seems to be a small bike in ergonomics but I would definitely recommend it
Bar end mirrors come standard on this by the way, mine had optional heated grips too
The best looking Triumph in my opinion in this color scheme. The brushed aluminum (or stainless steel?) mud guards look fabulous. The black with the brushed metal makes it stand out. Everything black (gloss or matt) would seem very cheap to me. The mud guards look short but that simply fits the great style of the bike. Fabulous. I would even remove the back mud guard because it would make the bike look even better.
Just don't ride in the rain or worse if you are reluctant to clean it. I am a nice weather rider and prefer looks over usefulness.
Love mine! Passed my test back in Jan and bought a 2021 Speed twin in black in Feb, had a great biking season this year with it!
Superb bike! Love the looks, power and handling
Great to hear 👍🏼
I would have the tubeless wheels for my T100 and leave the rest! Good on and off bike sound demos and videography. Top stuff.
I made mine tubeless with some 3m 4412n sealing tape. Been 6 years now. I’d probably top it with gorilla tape.
I will go for the bobber jet-black Mr. Darci, for less than 14 U.S. it is a lovely machine.
I have the 2023 version. The only gripes I have are lack of self canceling turn signals, lack of cruise control and the heat the engine produces. If your moving it’s fine. Here in Texas if you’re not moving your inner legs are roasting.
Absolutely incredible bikes I have admired the Triumph speed twin 1200 suits him at 6ft1 tall
Great review. I agree with you, both bikes are brilliant. They are both great looking. For 95% of a ride you will not use more power than the 900 version can and will deliver. The 900 version is cheaper to buy, ride and insure and just as good looking. So it’s the 5% of a ride you have to consider. So how much grin do you want and how much are you prepared to pay per grin?
Many thanks 😊
grins guaranteed 👍🏼
Grins are worth their width in Gold 😁
I can very much appreciate Triumphs but am definitely biased towards air-cooled (classic) Sportsters. As usual, an entertaining and informative review from Mr Darcy & The Ol' Man. Keep on riding!
P.S. Have never heard a Triumph with after-market pipes. If you ever get a chance to review one, would love to hear it.
Im sold.
I'll take one for my second bike. It can sit next to the Low Rider S. A Harley Davidson and a Triumph in the garage? That is motorcycle heaven to me!
Just a tip guys but filming with a camera on auto exposure results in the video going up and down in brightness. Good informative production though!!😀
It is on manual exposure tbh with you 😁
I found that the ergonomics are quite cantered forward on this bike which puts pressure on my ailing knees and wrists. Its a small cockpit as well. The r9t is better in this respect however i prefer the triumphs engine over the beamers because of the broad spread of torque where the beamers power is more focused at the top end.
A motorcycle does not define a gentleman.
The gentleman defines the motorcycle.
Had a 19 plate, loved it but wish Triumph (and other manufacturers for their bikes) offered longer mudguards...riding in all weathers covers you in crap. Also, they should fit them gauges to all their range, their digital offering on the street RS etc is simply horrendous
Totally agree 👍🏼
Another great review 👍👍I’ve rode both and prefer the 900 ! I personally think that the 1200 is to much with all the wind blast 👍 Definitely to small for anyone over 5 ‘10
I Love mine ❤️
Thanks for a nice up
I own the 900 it’s an amazing bike but I just feel it needs a little more power. I’m gonna buy the 1200 soon hopefully.
Maybe should have pushed it harder. From what I've heard, that's when this bike shines.
People harping on about the mudguards. If this bike had the T120 mudguards it would ruin the looks of the bike, imo. If you want long mudguards then buy a T120 and not a Speed Twin, like I did. Then cut them to look like a Speed Twin! 😂👍
I see your point
Cut off the mud guard, or move to a country where it doesn't matter 😁
Saves a lot of money, too 😁
You only have to put a £21 fenda extenda on the front. And if you're that bothered about the back stick a Lambretta mudflap on it.😂
The sound is incredible for a stock exhaust system.
I have an Interceptor which I love. Really enjoyable, usable power on the country lanes and around town.. How does this compare, fun wise? 🙂
The triumph is very considerably more potent! That may or may not be a good thing depending upon your needs.
Great size bike for your stature
I'm a proud owner of this bike in Mat Baja Orange. it was her birthday yesterday with 9400 kms (5875 miles for british viewers). my dream goal in motorbike is reached. my fuel average is about 240 kms(150 miles) with a full tank.
i'm 5 foot 10 high and no problem to have feet on the ground at stop.
if i would have some cons, i 'd say she's a little bit heavy to manoeuver (216kg, 476lb) and a short turning radius.
but i love it for many reasons and don't want to change (i was looking at the 900...)
And as you said, people in the street always tell me sh'es beautifull.
thanks for this review,
you can find "Mandarine" (that's her name) on my channel.
best regards
Great to hear 👍🏼
I am no Triumph man, but this is a good-looking bike with a great, torquey engine. Nick
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Gym work is paying off bloke. Def putting on some size like the Old man
Thank you very much!
Love the dials they do look quality. Definitely modern classic, or could they be classically modern 🤔
Yes they are lovely dials 👍🏼
I’ll never understand why all their bikes don’t have twin analog dials
Your dads thoughts on mudguards are so right maybe Triumph will wake up some day
those mudguards are useless
I’m not criticizing your review it’s excellent as always
Many thanks 😊
Always love your picks!
Personally, I would be more interested if Triumph added R12 ninet-level electronic equipment to the next version of this.
Of course, while maintaining that classic style.
Boy, track functionality aside, the ‘25 model sure looks makes the ‘24 model look good.
I like to poke fun at Triumph for painting all their bikes black but damn do they look good.
The 1200 Speed Twin is a beautiful bike indeed. I own a t120 which overall I prefer except for the rims. I had two rear punctures this year and the spoked rim, while attractive require tubes. Dealing with that miles from anywhere is a nightmare. Not so with the Speed. When it comes to wheels I'll take function over form all day.
And that's without mentioning cleaning spoked rims. I love them, but they are for mugs, really.
Fantastic bike to ride what lets it down IMO is the styling and attention to detail. Overall it's a great looking bike I just hate the very fake looking engine - yes I get its a retro but the fake carbs and hiding the radiator and pretending its an air cooled twin is almost insulting - I much prefer the honest approach in the Z900RS. Also it just didn't feel quite "special" enough with little design details like Moto Guzzi does. Hopefully with the axing of the Thruxton they will release a high spec version of the Speed Twin.
Beautiful machine! Apart from, again, the mudguards. The front one does look nice but does not quite do its job. The rear one... well, if it is necessary to fit all those plastic prolongations they could rather have fitted a proper mudguard instead, in my personal opinion. I have not ridden any Triumph since 2016, but remember comparing the T1200 with the Speed Twin 900. The T1200 felt massively impressing in every way, although I experienced the 900 a little snappier and better suited for my type of riding. Great video! 😊
Many thanks 😊 yes agree 👍🏼
I think I'd have custom made replacement mudguards. Much longer for the front, slightly longer on the back and a bit more deeply valanced (though not as much as the T 120) so the plastic number plate hanger could be done away with and replaced with neater tail-tidy.
I can think of a couple of good sheet metal workers who could make those probably for not much more than Triumph's original parts. Then I'd have them painted gloss black to match. And while I was at it I'd have the heel guards and maybe even the yokes painted gloss black as well. I know someone who did this with the crinkle-finished cycle parts on his otherwise gloss black Harley and the end effect was stunning. Made a 20 grand bike look like 30 grand.
If a bike's a keeper I think it's worth making these investments and a properly functioning front mudguard will save the front of the engine from a great deal of dirt and corrosion.
If I had one the first thing I'd do is paint that binnacle the clocks are in matt black. It just doesn't look right in silver.
I rode one for a weekend, last summer. I find it to be really mean, compared to my 900 as it is constantly in a higher rev-range than the smaller one, and the power distribution of the engine is really brutal if you open it up. I was honestly scared by this thing. (Might be too old for a proper sports bike meanwhile) Also, i didn't enjoy the front brakes too much, as they needed to be warmed up to work properly. But what really killed this machine for me was the cost of ownership: In my country it costs three times the insurance fee of a 900, and parts like tyres, brakes etc. are quite expensive.
It's as good as 100 Bhp! That is 80's superbike territory! If you're not "scared by this thing", you're either Valentino Rossi or a 20 year old from 1985.
'Begging for ace bars.. ..and swapping those mounting brackets around to raise the headlamp.. (what's the deal with shortening the rear mudguard and then adding an extender? ..And let's hope the rear pillion's jacket doesn't obscure that poorly placed minimalist tail light). - I do love it though, the whole package, it *looks* fast, you just *know* it'll not disappoint. Damn, that's a fine looking Motorcycle.
It sure is 👍🏼
Lovely looking bike. I like the idea of adding a 1200 Bonnie of some description to the garage. I'll have to ride the Speed Twin but my instinct says buy a used Thruxton RS for the better suspension and fit flat bars. Test ride in the spring I think.
Good idea 👍🏼
I was talking to a mate of mine on this very same subject only a couple of months ago. Our conclusion was that if you buy the Thruxton and modify it for comfort, you've got all the "good" bits that go with the Thruxton for not that much more money. We also reckon that they're going to hold their value better now that they're discontinued and recent sales volumes haven't been high.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I'll have to ride one first to see if I can live with the clip-ons. I rode the original R but it was a few years ago and I only did a few miles on it.
I know the top yoke on the RS isn't drilled for risers and bar clamps so it might be a case of aftermarket extended clip-ons. Definitely going to look into it though. A nice '20/'21 black one can be had for 10 grand and most of them are spotless. I think it's going to have to be done..
@@JimDoar-c2t For some reason I thought that the more recent Thruxtons had fork top mounted clubman style bars. I just had a look and you are indeed correct. Interestingly, it was fitted with risers that might just suit your needs. A friend of mine has an '04, which I really love. The riding position on that is certainly "sporty", but it's not ridiculous. The engine, while not ridiculously powerful, is characterful and has enough berries for road riding. The stock suspension on his was pretty basic, and that's being polite. He upgraded both the front and rear and it was like riding a completely different bike. I can see why you would want to go for the full Ohlins package.
It's a lot of bike for the money. Probably a bit too much bike for me, but I can certainly see the appeal. It sounds like you've convinced yourself of the decision. Good luck tracking one down and enjoy!
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I was looking last night and British Legends do a flat bar conversion kit for the RS. Not that cheap at 480 odd Euros considering you only get the top yoke with risers and clamps. You have to supply your own bars and depending how wide you go you may need cable extensions. But it's certainly doable. I'm sure with a bit more looking or some engineering the clip-ons could be extended upwards. I do like the look of the clean top yoke that you get with clip-ons.
I think it's well worth the money to get the freer spinning engine and the Ohlins suspension. The RS has better brakes than the R too. Roll on spring.
Judging by the host of comments regarding those silly 'token' mudguards, there must be a healthy market out there for all kinds of 'fit for purpose' tinware to improve 'modern-retro' bikes! : )
Speed twin 1200 or the T120 for my next motorbike? Already have a 2012 Bonneville mag wheel , which I’ll keep for ever.
Love the look of this bike but at 6’5” I’m not sure if it’s an option
It is one of the smaller ones so I would rule that out 👍🏼
If you want more sound try cone engineering slip ons worth the upgrade.
Its s lovely bike triumphs are very nice now .lovely review sir
Thank you 😊
This is my dream bike, z900rs is also on that list
Thorough review of this awesome bike by a real biker 👍
Which bike feels more torquy when riding in a 20 mph zone in 6th gear, Darcy?
Your HOG, or this Triumph?
Thank you! The Harley is definitely more torquey low down!
@@MrDarcy-OlMan FAT *THANK YOU* for your highly appreciated feedback regarding the torquier Harley, Darcy 🙏
Another very nice review ! Keep it up
No question about it, it's a beautiful bike. But I'm still partial to my BMW R9T Scrambler. In my opinion, better looking bike. It's got a rugged character about it. I get compliments all the time and head turns. But the sound of the BMW Scrambler is just fantastic with the Acropovic twin exhaust as well as the torque and the maintenance free drive shaft. Just my 2 cents... But again, the triumph is also a very beautiful and well crafted bike. Wouldn't mind having one of those too! ;-)
What do you think of the Triumph Rocket 3GT 2500cc engine.
We’ve done a few rocket reviews on the channel if you search them 👍🏻
Speaking for myself of course, the last thing I would want is a "gentleman's motorcycle". Bikes shouldn't be obnoxious, but motorcycles should definitely have flash and balls.
Great review, really like that bike 👍🏼
This bike is amazing! ❤
I have 3 bikes but now fancy a big cruiser but which one i dont know
Lots of cruiser reviews on here and more to come 👍🏼
Do you find the handlebars are in a comfortable position? I've seen a few people say it gives them wrist and back ache riding this
It is a little bit leaning forwards and probably not as comfortable as a T100 or a T120 👍🏼
It is the best looking Triumph but when you sit on it it shows how compact that frame is.
Great video buddy 👍 Almost bought a Speed Twin but the T120 was a better fit...Gorgeous bike though 😍
Love the T120!
I enjoy my ST torque. Simple yet elegant.
Stunning bike and an attractive stance. This or the Z900RS, c'mon santa.
Very eager to try the Z900rs
I sold my z900RS for a Speed Twin. Both are amazing machines in different ways.
there sounds like a whine coming from the gearbox. quite appealing actually, i just hope it's not a problem developing😊
Good review I have one plus a T100
What an awesome bike. Also, people don’t use the word “gingerly” enough these days
Sounds fantastic.
Great looking bike!
Unfortunately anyone taller than 6” will look kinda awkward on it.. this is a bike for shorter people in my opinion.
I am 6ft 1" and felt ok 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan It’s one thing how you feel, another how you look. A pair of pijamas are very comfy but you don’t get out in them :))) You get my drift
Can you make a video of pure sound of just riding bikes? Your video screams quality.........It would be lovely.
Watch this loud Harley one 👍🏼
The Loudest Customised Harley-Davidson Iron 883 Rough Krafts Guerilla
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“Schaaf” has such a video
Helpful review 😊
Do you have to use high octane fuel, to keep it from predetination.
No normal 95 is ok
Hey. Does the jet black paint have any sparkles in it or is it plain. ?
If I remember rightly it is not sparkly black 👍🏼
what a nice pair of gloves you got there , which brand & where can i get it?
Thank you, they are fuel gloves. Really pleased with them. We have a review video coming up talking about a bunch of fuel gear! Here’s the link to the gloves: fuelmotorcycles.eu/products/rodeo-glove-brown
Since you are doing a lot of modern classic reviews, can you also make one for the Kawasaki w800?
We would like to but they do not sell them new in the UK anymore 👍🏼
Hi would you have one of these over a Thruxton RS, would be used as a second bike.
black rim is starting to bore me. Hope there's an option to have another rim color, silver or gold
Really good motorcycle that I want to buy, but I'll wait for the next generation model. The world is advancing with huge leaps, and I think there should be more innovations implemented in this motorcycle, starting from the instrument panel, for example, a TFT that would provide more information. Even conservative BMW motorcycles already have that. Of course, maintaining the Triumph style is always necessary, that's why we admire them.
I am an old fellow so I really appreciate the simple but elegant twin gauges ,they never go out of fashion
@@johnnyboy1586 You're not that old. You know that you're old when you look at the gauges and curse the manufacturers for putting them so close that you can't read them. And you start saying things like, "why didn't they put these on the front mud guard where blokes like me can see them".
I wouldn’t consider it if it had a TFT. Rider modes are even a bit ridiculous to me. My rider mode is this 👊. ABS is nice for deers in the rain I guess.
You didn’t compare the brakes and Suspention to the 900 and I’d be interested in knowing if you thought the upgraded brakes and Suspention made a big difference
Love that bike, and yes, those dials look awesome. They should make a watch to match each bike.
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