Next, whether you are starting a new collection or are already a seasoned collector, check out some top tips for sorting your collection in my 10 Ways to Organize Your Vinyl Record Collection video. Some of them are ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! Watch that next here: ua-cam.com/video/J82xe6pVMOY/v-deo.html
Buy what you love, (from start to end) stream everything first and test listen first. I LOVE the hobby, crazy expensive, pain in the arse, inconsistent quality... love it
I mostly collect videogame music vinyls, and you might be surprised on how big and engaging that community is. i was pleasantly surprised by it. however pressings are really limited
I grew up before CDs, and remember Tower records even before cassettes. But I am retired in Northern Thailand and I love music. I live in a hotel room and so I have 15 mp3 players with thousands of hours of downloaded music. Listened to three Bob Dylan albums this morning. Sounded great.
Being passionate about music and vinyl records is important. If you don’t have the passion, just forget it. It’s a labor of love. You have a vast knowledge of music. Ain’t nothing better than crate digging and talking with the other patrons in a record store about music. Punk, 90s gangsta rap/hip hop and metal have the best cover artwork. Great Non MALT LIQUOR Video.
Great video. I'm just getting back into vinyl ... I had no idea why I'm suddenly drawn to it now, but I realised i seem to really enjoy the thrill of the hunt and the large selection of artwork on album covers. But it's also relaxing to close the world out, put on a vinyl, and just decompress after a long day at work.
@AndyFenstermaker I listen to mainstream stuff really, but I've asked for a bunch of LP's off Santa this year such as Toto, Hendricks, Funkadelic and Van Halen. Can't wait to spin those!
Favourite Vinyl channel discovery. Look forward to digging back through your uploads. I sold all my vinyl back in the late 8os and went all in on CDs. Getting back into vinyl has given me a lot of joy during a tough time in my life. Nostalgia definitely but for me it has also been discovering genres and new avenues of music through the passions of a vibrant vinyl community which I'd lost faith in during the Spotify era. Great video
@@AndyFenstermaker Andy Shauf is a very whimsical singer songwriter I've been listening to a lot It's pretty simple writing but I like some of the instrumental flourishes he incorporates like dropping in a clarinet here and there and his voice is earnest and relatable and he knows his way around a melody. On the heavier side of things the new Bully record is just a great 90's era rock record for lovers of Veruca Salt. Picked up Jonothan Wilson Dixie Blur quite cheaply on Amazon. Have appreciated him the past without loving his stuff but to me this is head and shoulders above his previous releases and sounds fantastic on vinyl (like most of his stuff)
I suffer from OCD so for me playing new vinyls that I had just bought made for a very stressful experience. At some point for that and other reasons I fully embraced the digital format. No worries there and just pure fun listening to music. I think vinyl is great, its just not for me for obvious reasons.
Analogue playback devices do not deliver sonic nuance. Source: me. After listening to vinyl records for 50 years and being a collector for 45, I'm allowed to say this. You can get used to vinyl, you can find it comforting, tactile, pleasing, fun to read the cover, sleeve notes, but don't talk about nuance. A properly mastered CD will deliver all the frequency response and dynamic range of the original master recording. Any vinyl playback will have surface noise, rumble, and even feedback if you turn it up too much. It doesn't matter how clean or pristine it is. And that gets in the way. But I love my LP's. I love cleaning them on my Spin Clean and assessing their condition. Compact cassettes delivered convenience and custom programming. Then iPods came along and it was glorious. Ten thousand songs in your pocket! Now Spotify delivers everything. Everything that is except the audiophile experience on proper home audio systems. For that, I go back to CD's when I need respite.
Nice Josey Records shirt! I’ve been there so many times and bought so many used records and cds there! Maybe I’ll see you there next time I go up there. ;) great video you got yourself a new subscriber!
I'm with your first video, I'm not going to start collecting anything :) I'm good. Nothing against vinyl, I'm not saying I won't buy an LP and enjoy it. But I don't want to actively collect anything ever again, my extensive video game collection is more than enough.
I have stayed away from Vinyl because i know I have an addictive personality and i would get carried away with it. But it is my 40th this year and my parents wanted to get me something that i have always wanted and couldn't keep. So i have decided to get a player. But i still collect cds at the moment (recently picked up 4 albums for the cost if a coffee) so i reckon i am just gonna get my favorite albums on Vinyl not every album i want to buy............but that will probably change 😂 Interesting video mate.
I keep wanting to get into vinyl for a while. I don't think I'm able to tell the difference between vinyl and digital, but I've always been fascinated by the "analogueness" of it. (similar to film cameras) I watched both your videos (Should and Shouldn't) and I'm so conflicted. Space is indeed an issue, but I also don't plan on building some huge collection, more like a few albums I really enjoy. But then my music taste is the real problem. It changes a lot, and I listen to some niche music a lot of the time. So I wonder if I should spend on a turntable for the few records that I want and can find at a reasonable price. I'm not really expecting an answer, just putting my thoughts out there.
Totally understand! It’s one of those things that you have to commit to if you go all in. The cost of a solid system, the increased cost of vinyl, it all adds up. If you do, I’d say ONLY go for the ones you TRULY love through and through. If it’s a record you enjoy start to finish and have loved the album for years, you’re more likely to keep it and not get tired of it…
If you have lots of money go vinyl, if you like; if you are on a fixed income (like me), or low income, go CD, I rip my CD's to play on my Sony (Flash, and 8GB) MP3 Players.
vinyl definitely does not have superior sound quality potential as compared to digital. A standard 44.1kHz digital recording will record at least 2 samples per wave (the amount required to faithfully reproduce a frequency) at the highest possible frequency of human hearing (20kHz). It is the highest quality recording and playback possibly perceptible by humans and most music isnt even near that sort of frequency so 44.1kHz is at a higher fidelity than required. Not to mention that if the frequency too high or change in pitch or volume to sudden, the needle can skip and bounce, potentially causing various distortions or sibilance. and even if its a very slight amount, that's just an inherent loss in detail. With almost all vinyl records, especially new records, its life starts not in a studio with a live recording engraving onto a master *as* the musician plays, but a the digitally recorded song being mastered for vinyl on the computer then engraved using a lathe onto the vinyl. (there are some bands that actually do that and its pretty cool) and keep in mind, as previously mentioned, even in the case of a 100% analog pipeline from start to finish, digital audio has surpassed the human ear's ability to hear. So ignoring the mathematical impossibility of perceptible additional detail if you think there is "additional depth" to vinyl, the audio that is pressed into your new vinyl started its life as a digital audio file, so it would, from your perspective, have the compounding flaws of digital (as you see it) and vinyl (as it exists). and any additional depth or character that exists in vinyl, which is certainly a reason that one may prefer it, is a preference, not an increase in quality, and with the right filters could be applied to digital audio and be perfectly recreated. another inherent flaw with vinyl is that it degrades, WAV files could be downloaded, copied, and backed up onto drives forever and never lose quality. vinyl will be damaged by even very nice new needles on very nice new record players after enough time. heat, dust, and physical damage can damage the sound of the audio. so we have the basic facts that vinyl is not simply "superior" but there is more depth to the conversation. I do not get into Hi-Fi audiophile setups. I have a nice Audio-Technica AT-LP120XUSB in silver and there may be an argument to be made that to get really good audio with vinyl you need less equipment than with a computer. like i said im not an audiophile snob but from what i see online theres an endless amount of money to be dumped into everything from DAC's to pre-amps, extremely expensive speakers to headphones (which many audiophiles claim can never produce "proper" audio). there may be an argument that for much less money than a digital audiophile setup you can get near audiophile sounding audio from just a good record player, an audio receiver, and a good set of speakers that would run you in at less than 900. and not having to fuck around with manually adding in the character of vinyl to each individual song you want to have sound like vinyl is good too. though my favorite parts of owning vinyls is just having a completely inert *thing* that *is* my music. i can look at the grooves and physically see the actual music. it makes me listen to the album front to back, not my normal way of listening where i rip songs from an album and throw them in a playlist with songs from a dozen other albums. it is a much more deliberate process that makes you listen differently. I also like vinyls and cassettes because there are recordings to be found that have likely never seen the internet. we are so used to everything in existence being on the internet, on these lesser known vinyls and cassettes you could find something that you cant listen to without having this item. it really helps with the cost because anything famous or expensive is going to have a million digital copies online that i can just download but if i find a 50 cent cassette or some 3/1$ vinyls i can listen to something unique. i do, however, buy *new* vinyls and *new* cassettes of music i really like to support the artist and i buy the album on bandcamp to get the uncompressed WAV file that i can download and have forever without DRM. without having to worry about copyright takedowns, getting rid of songs i like to listen to off of spotify. there are many reasons to love vinyl but the idea that it has a "superior" sound is just wrong. and you did mention that it ends up coming down to taste but i mean you labeled the section "superior" notes: -i heard you hit on the idea of finding records that have audio that you cant find elsewhere -unrelated but i think its fun, ive found a few thrift stores that were small and needed to get rid of vinyls or cassettes or were closing down and REALLY needed to get rid of cassettes. so for like 40$ i was able to absolutely clear them out of every cassette they had and they just gave me a bunch of nice leather suitcases that they had just to put the cassettes in. that same place that was closing down and basically gave me their cassettes let me do like 20$/shopping cart of books. i filled the entire trunk of my car (very spacious) top to bottom with books. -another place i paid like 20 bucks for over 300 vinyls. all i had to do was count them all and then get rid of them because they were taking up table space he wanted to use. ive found a bunch of enka cassettes for cheap on bulk and vietnamese cassettes from vietnam (not sold in the west) that likely havent been put on the internet. im mostly interested in rare *recordings* the data itself that is not easily available. in the same way i really *love* rare books. information that is very possibly hard or impossible to find online or owning a piece of history. i totally get wanting to own rare albums when i look over on my shelf and see books that are over a hundred years old.
Your reasons against were fairly objective. You reasons for are definitely subjective, as well as repetitive and specious. Methinketh that the current worship of records is a product of communal marketing and pretentious emulation of the so-called cool guys.
Honestly, minus the “cool guys” statement, I think the objective / subjective argument could be made for literally ANY hobby or collection. The decision to connect is inherently subjective while the objective ones tend to overwhelmingly argue against collecting XYZ, where XYZ is completely and unequivocally interchangeable 🤷♂️
Vinyl overpriced and overhyped and still wears out over time and still sucks.If u like pops and ticks and distortion and crackling and wow and flutter and warping then you can have it.
Next, whether you are starting a new collection or are already a seasoned collector, check out some top tips for sorting your collection in my 10 Ways to Organize Your Vinyl Record Collection video. Some of them are ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! Watch that next here: ua-cam.com/video/J82xe6pVMOY/v-deo.html
Buy what you love, (from start to end) stream everything first and test listen first. I LOVE the hobby, crazy expensive, pain in the arse, inconsistent quality... love it
I mostly collect videogame music vinyls, and you might be surprised on how big and engaging that community is. i was pleasantly surprised by it. however pressings are really limited
I grew up before CDs, and remember Tower records even before cassettes. But I am retired in Northern Thailand and I love music. I live in a hotel room and so I have 15 mp3 players with thousands of hours of downloaded music. Listened to three Bob Dylan albums this morning. Sounded great.
Being passionate about music and vinyl records is important. If you don’t have the passion, just forget it. It’s a labor of love. You have a vast knowledge of music. Ain’t nothing better than crate digging and talking with the other patrons in a record store about music. Punk, 90s gangsta rap/hip hop and metal have the best cover artwork. Great Non MALT LIQUOR Video.
so true
Thanks for the tip. Just checked out Beach Fossils. Love it. I'll be grabbing their vinyls. Thank you!!!!
Great video. I'm just getting back into vinyl ... I had no idea why I'm suddenly drawn to it now, but I realised i seem to really enjoy the thrill of the hunt and the large selection of artwork on album covers. But it's also relaxing to close the world out, put on a vinyl, and just decompress after a long day at work.
Love it! What are you spinning these days?
@AndyFenstermaker I listen to mainstream stuff really, but I've asked for a bunch of LP's off Santa this year such as Toto, Hendricks, Funkadelic and Van Halen. Can't wait to spin those!
Favourite Vinyl channel discovery. Look forward to digging back through your uploads. I sold all my vinyl back in the late 8os and went all in on CDs. Getting back into vinyl has given me a lot of joy during a tough time in my life. Nostalgia definitely but for me it has also been discovering genres and new avenues of music through the passions of a vibrant vinyl community which I'd lost faith in during the Spotify era. Great video
Sorry to hear about the tough time, but glad to have you here on the Channel and glad you are finding joy in it! Any particularly good finds of late?
@@AndyFenstermaker Andy Shauf is a very whimsical singer songwriter I've been listening to a lot It's pretty simple writing but I like some of the instrumental flourishes he incorporates like dropping in a clarinet here and there and his voice is earnest and relatable and he knows his way around a melody. On the heavier side of things the new Bully record is just a great 90's era rock record for lovers of Veruca Salt. Picked up Jonothan Wilson Dixie Blur quite cheaply on Amazon. Have appreciated him the past without loving his stuff but to me this is head and shoulders above his previous releases and sounds fantastic on vinyl (like most of his stuff)
@andrewarmstrong4741 I’m familiar with Bully and Shauf, but not sure about Wilson - will have to check it out!
I suffer from OCD so for me playing new vinyls that I had just bought made for a very stressful experience. At some point for that and other reasons I fully embraced the digital format. No worries there and just pure fun listening to music. I think vinyl is great, its just not for me for obvious reasons.
Great stuff, agree with all your points.
Analogue playback devices do not deliver sonic nuance. Source: me. After listening to vinyl records for 50 years and being a collector for 45, I'm allowed to say this. You can get used to vinyl, you can find it comforting, tactile, pleasing, fun to read the cover, sleeve notes, but don't talk about nuance. A properly mastered CD will deliver all the frequency response and dynamic range of the original master recording.
Any vinyl playback will have surface noise, rumble, and even feedback if you turn it up too much. It doesn't matter how clean or pristine it is. And that gets in the way.
But I love my LP's. I love cleaning them on my Spin Clean and assessing their condition.
Compact cassettes delivered convenience and custom programming. Then iPods came along and it was glorious. Ten thousand songs in your pocket! Now Spotify delivers everything. Everything that is except the audiophile experience on proper home audio systems. For that, I go back to CD's when I need respite.
Nice Josey Records shirt! I’ve been there so many times and bought so many used records and cds there! Maybe I’ll see you there next time I go up there. ;) great video you got yourself a new subscriber!
Awesome! I love Josey! Next time I'm out to FW, I want to grab myself a Doc's Records & Vintage shirt as well. Been there yet?
@@AndyFenstermaker not yet! But there’s always a first time for everything!
Sometimes the very best masters are available on vinyl and not necessarily on digital. Best to have the ability to play both of course.
We were listening to Smashing Pumpkins on CD in the 90s
I'm with your first video, I'm not going to start collecting anything :) I'm good. Nothing against vinyl, I'm not saying I won't buy an LP and enjoy it. But I don't want to actively collect anything ever again, my extensive video game collection is more than enough.
thanks for video ...Thumb UP
I have stayed away from Vinyl because i know I have an addictive personality and i would get carried away with it.
But it is my 40th this year and my parents wanted to get me something that i have always wanted and couldn't keep. So i have decided to get a player.
But i still collect cds at the moment (recently picked up 4 albums for the cost if a coffee) so i reckon i am just gonna get my favorite albums on Vinyl not every album i want to buy............but that will probably change 😂
Interesting video mate.
Just as an update to this statement. It has been a month and I'm up to 62 records 😂. Wish I had never started 😏
I keep wanting to get into vinyl for a while. I don't think I'm able to tell the difference between vinyl and digital, but I've always been fascinated by the "analogueness" of it. (similar to film cameras)
I watched both your videos (Should and Shouldn't) and I'm so conflicted. Space is indeed an issue, but I also don't plan on building some huge collection, more like a few albums I really enjoy. But then my music taste is the real problem. It changes a lot, and I listen to some niche music a lot of the time. So I wonder if I should spend on a turntable for the few records that I want and can find at a reasonable price.
I'm not really expecting an answer, just putting my thoughts out there.
Totally understand! It’s one of those things that you have to commit to if you go all in. The cost of a solid system, the increased cost of vinyl, it all adds up. If you do, I’d say ONLY go for the ones you TRULY love through and through. If it’s a record you enjoy start to finish and have loved the album for years, you’re more likely to keep it and not get tired of it…
I have vinyl and cd and even cassette player
CDs, though smaller in size, also have visual appeal. And have to be taken out of their cases and inserted in a player. Likewise the LPs.
If you have lots of money go vinyl, if you like; if you are on a fixed income (like me), or low income, go CD, I rip my CD's to play on my Sony (Flash, and 8GB) MP3 Players.
great video! do you happen to have any björk records? i have 74 of them 😅
Sadly I do not. 74 … impressive collection!!!
MINDFULNESS
You look a bit like Conan O' Brien. Very Irish! I am 75% Irish myself & BTW have been collecting vinyl for 40 yrs.
Nice
vinyl definitely does not have superior sound quality potential as compared to digital.
A standard 44.1kHz digital recording will record at least 2 samples per wave (the amount required to faithfully reproduce a frequency) at the highest possible frequency of human hearing (20kHz). It is the highest quality recording and playback possibly perceptible by humans and most music isnt even near that sort of frequency so 44.1kHz is at a higher fidelity than required.
Not to mention that if the frequency too high or change in pitch or volume to sudden, the needle can skip and bounce, potentially causing various distortions or sibilance. and even if its a very slight amount, that's just an inherent loss in detail.
With almost all vinyl records, especially new records, its life starts not in a studio with a live recording engraving onto a master *as* the musician plays, but a the digitally recorded song being mastered for vinyl on the computer then engraved using a lathe onto the vinyl. (there are some bands that actually do that and its pretty cool)
and keep in mind, as previously mentioned, even in the case of a 100% analog pipeline from start to finish, digital audio has surpassed the human ear's ability to hear.
So ignoring the mathematical impossibility of perceptible additional detail if you think there is "additional depth" to vinyl, the audio that is pressed into your new vinyl started its life as a digital audio file, so it would, from your perspective, have the compounding flaws of digital (as you see it) and vinyl (as it exists). and any additional depth or character that exists in vinyl, which is certainly a reason that one may prefer it, is a preference, not an increase in quality, and with the right filters could be applied to digital audio and be perfectly recreated.
another inherent flaw with vinyl is that it degrades, WAV files could be downloaded, copied, and backed up onto drives forever and never lose quality. vinyl will be damaged by even very nice new needles on very nice new record players after enough time. heat, dust, and physical damage can damage the sound of the audio.
so we have the basic facts that vinyl is not simply "superior" but there is more depth to the conversation. I do not get into Hi-Fi audiophile setups. I have a nice Audio-Technica AT-LP120XUSB in silver and there may be an argument to be made that to get really good audio with vinyl you need less equipment than with a computer. like i said im not an audiophile snob but from what i see online theres an endless amount of money to be dumped into everything from DAC's to pre-amps, extremely expensive speakers to headphones (which many audiophiles claim can never produce "proper" audio).
there may be an argument that for much less money than a digital audiophile setup you can get near audiophile sounding audio from just a good record player, an audio receiver, and a good set of speakers that would run you in at less than 900. and not having to fuck around with manually adding in the character of vinyl to each individual song you want to have sound like vinyl is good too.
though my favorite parts of owning vinyls is just having a completely inert *thing* that *is* my music. i can look at the grooves and physically see the actual music. it makes me listen to the album front to back, not my normal way of listening where i rip songs from an album and throw them in a playlist with songs from a dozen other albums. it is a much more deliberate process that makes you listen differently. I also like vinyls and cassettes because there are recordings to be found that have likely never seen the internet. we are so used to everything in existence being on the internet, on these lesser known vinyls and cassettes you could find something that you cant listen to without having this item. it really helps with the cost because anything famous or expensive is going to have a million digital copies online that i can just download but if i find a 50 cent cassette or some 3/1$ vinyls i can listen to something unique.
i do, however, buy *new* vinyls and *new* cassettes of music i really like to support the artist and i buy the album on bandcamp to get the uncompressed WAV file that i can download and have forever without DRM. without having to worry about copyright takedowns, getting rid of songs i like to listen to off of spotify.
there are many reasons to love vinyl but the idea that it has a "superior" sound is just wrong. and you did mention that it ends up coming down to taste but i mean you labeled the section "superior"
notes:
-i heard you hit on the idea of finding records that have audio that you cant find elsewhere
-unrelated but i think its fun, ive found a few thrift stores that were small and needed to get rid of vinyls or cassettes or were closing down and REALLY needed to get rid of cassettes.
so for like 40$ i was able to absolutely clear them out of every cassette they had and they just gave me a bunch of nice leather suitcases that they had just to put the cassettes in. that same place that was closing down and basically gave me their cassettes let me do like 20$/shopping cart of books. i filled the entire trunk of my car (very spacious) top to bottom with books.
-another place i paid like 20 bucks for over 300 vinyls. all i had to do was count them all and then get rid of them because they were taking up table space he wanted to use. ive found a bunch of enka cassettes for cheap on bulk and vietnamese cassettes from vietnam (not sold in the west) that likely havent been put on the internet.
im mostly interested in rare *recordings* the data itself that is not easily available. in the same way i really *love* rare books. information that is very possibly hard or impossible to find online or owning a piece of history. i totally get wanting to own rare albums when i look over on my shelf and see books that are over a hundred years old.
Your reasons against were fairly objective. You reasons for are definitely subjective, as well as repetitive and specious.
Methinketh that the current worship of records is a product of communal marketing and pretentious emulation of the so-called cool guys.
Honestly, minus the “cool guys” statement, I think the objective / subjective argument could be made for literally ANY hobby or collection. The decision to connect is inherently subjective while the objective ones tend to overwhelmingly argue against collecting XYZ, where XYZ is completely and unequivocally interchangeable 🤷♂️
The vinyl community need noobs to increase the number of consumers and inflate the prices of records.
thats a personal choice. there are pros and cons for anything.
Fix the acustic in you'r room... sound terrible...
Because you like vinyl records???
Here you are again. We got your point and we are not interested just sell your records and stop making clips antagonizing others.
bipolar disorder
Vinyl overpriced and overhyped and still wears out over time and still sucks.If u like pops and ticks and distortion and crackling and wow and flutter and warping then you can have it.
bullcrap your comment made zero sense vinyl is worth it period 🤡 smh ✌️
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂in a viedo you giv reasons not to collect vinyals a d here you tak something different. So actually what is it
If you dont own physical albums you dont own the albums.