Navigating the PJ Pipeline with Nic McKinley
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2024
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Finally some air time for USAF. I was TACP for 10 years til I was medically discharged. Nice to see AF Special Forces get some spotlight
I am a former United States Air Force Combat Search and Rescue Flight Engineer. All my hours were in the HH-60G Pave Hawk. We work extensively with pararescuemen. I remember doing night water training operations with these guys in the open ocean on low illumination nights. We would come in low and slow (10 feet off the ocean, no more than 10 knots forward air speed) and helo cast these guys into the water. We would then sometimes go do aerial gunnery (within 2 nautical miles to maintain radio contact and return immediately if something went wrong) and after an hour return to pick them up. So for an hour or more, these guys are in the open ocean, at night, conducting patient medicine and movements while treading water wearing fins and helmets with IR strobes attached. We would come pick them up after throwing out chem sticks from both sides to form a "lane" for references. We would start by throwing out a 15 foot rope ladder into the ocean that was weighted on the bottom. They would climb up, get in the cabin and we would be on the go for the next iteration which would be a 30 foot fast rope infill right back into the black water. On the next pass, I would hoist them into the helicopter under night vision goggles from 40 feet. The entire time I am trying to get the the hoist cable hook into their outstretched hands, our helicopter is beating them in the face with ocean spray. Once I would get them in the helo, we might do this whole sequence two or more times. Helo cast, rope ladder, fast rope, hoist. They never even looked tired. The mental and physical fortitude to be that competent in the open water is something I can't even begin to comprehend. In Afghanistan under the call sign Pedro, we would fly with them to points of injury to pickup seriously wounded individuals. I watched them from no more than an arms distance away perform trauma medicine by nothing more than a small pen light in the back of our blacked out helicopter, sometimes while taking rocket propelled grenade fire. They call the pararescuemen pipeline "Superman School", and those very few who are permanently awarded the maroon beret are indeed, supermen.
My son went in around 2013 when it was still brutal-especially Dive. He was a surfer kid from Socal and he excelled in the pool. Would tell us so many stories of huge cornfed boys from midwest that could not get past the pool. He loved the Halo and thats where he got hurt the worst. He absolutely loved Dive-Got is bubble. Went through SEER-loved that. What finally got him was actually the medical test-he was always a C+ student in high school and like i thought going in, he just could not pass that final test. He has some wild stories of doing field meds in ABQ. I hear its completely different now they were just nuking these kids for so long and hardly any were actually getting their beret. Now you get LOTS of help! Great discussion, cant help think the early days guys were real monsters, not so much now like the rest of special forces.
Went to Airman Leadership School with a PJ. We PT'd together one day doing laps in the base gym pool. He swam 1.5 laps for every 1 of mine to start and then kept pulling away from me.Crazy fitness. Salute to all PJ's, Combat Controllers and Air Force SF.
When i first got to my unit in the army we had an old guy working at the building. RET CSM 5th group in Vietnam. Spent his entire career on the teams, did 5 tours. Quiet guy but would talk to me, just a PFC. Was told by my senior NCOs he liked me and i was lucky to have his ear and advice. I figured it was the cigarettes lol. I asked him once who the best of the best are and his comment always stuck with me "The PJs are the best SF in the world. True rambo trauma surgeons. When shit hit the fan, 2 guys are down and you're in the middle of no place. They'll get you home to your family. They're the best." I didn't know of the PJs then. Looked them up when i got home. I'm since retired after 20 years. Supported Delta, 7th SOG and the PJs in the stan. They were all great guys but the PJs were always nice to be around. I would think "no better guy to have next to me then a couple of PJs. If i get shot, they'll take care of me."
Washed out of combat dive a year ago and everything obviously he is saying is spot on the water confidence training and selection and pre-dive is brutal and the number one thing that gets guys in the front end of the pipeline is water con.... and it's not always the best swimmers that make it through it's usually guys who are at the bottom half of the top third tired in the selection class.... and even if you make it through selection there is no guarantee that you will be selected at the end... it's not about surviving selection but thriving in selection
One job i knew from the start i could never do. These guys are amazing and never get enough respect. made my day running into one of these guys. Screw meeting celebrities id rather sit down with a PJ and listen
I tried to be a PJ myself and couldn’t even make it to the point of quitting at Selection. Dealt with an enormous amount of admin bullshit because of my time in Marine Corps Reserves. But I got to be in Development for nearly 2 years and got a small taste of what those guys have to deal with. I have two buddy’s from T3I made it all the way through the pipeline. One is a Controller and the other PJs. Bad Mfers those dudes.
Holy shit 2 mins in please wear headphones so you know when you’re talking over him, or even better, don’t HOST a podcast and literally talk OVER your guest as he’s talking.
Working with others makes you good. Training others makes you better. Being a humble warrior makes you best.
"These Things We Do, That Others May Live"
FINALLY a PJ video
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Truely excellent. Thanks.
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Met an old PJ in jail. Dude looked like a wizard and had card tricks that rival Chris Angel
Good PJ story!
Love this 🎙️
I remember back in 1997. Went to Navy recruiter asked him about the SEAL poster on the wall. He literally said go home get your sister’s red lipstick and put a red circle 🔴 on your forehead because that’s what a bullet wound looks like. Than went to Air Force recruiter next door asked about PJ poster on the wall sounded really good. Than the Marine recruiter sold me a bill of goods and I signed an open contract and became a poge or diary clerk. Man I always wondered if I had the stubbornness and no quit to make it. Glad you both made it through everything God has a purpose for you both.
PJs truly dedicate their lives to save others. Great men!!❤❤❤