Would really like to see more content on children's development and parenting. I think a lot of people out there had negative experiences growing up, are now becoming parents themselves and might be terrified of somehow causing anything negative psychologically for their own kids. I learned a lot from this video
I like how you are focussing on the realistic aspects of Euphoria since I see many people focussing on the quality of its writing and cinematography. Really helps give a practical outlook on how we perceive mental health and the struggles many people experience around it
Dr. K talks about how 9/11 had a devastating effect on America. War, racism, trauma, etc. That got me thinking about how crippled other countries, and its people have been by the countless war acts done to them. Middle Eastern countries, North African countries etc. Must've been equally devastating there. Not trying to disparage or downplay 9/11. Just a thought for those I feel are often forgotten.
To be fair it's like Pearl Harbor. We knew it was coming and just "let it happen". We have a very complex political relationship with who did it, the Saudis. We waged war against a neighbor who had nothing to do with it, Iraq. Estimates show that we murdered 2.5 Million Iraqi civilians as a show to power to the rest of the world for literally no reason. For the last 60 years America's entire political structure has been comprised of war criminals because the only industry left in America is weapons manufacturing and the military industrial complex. If you've ever voted in america you have blood on your hands. Tough thing trying to be a good person and doing the right thing when faced with that reality.
@@taina88111 I'm sure 1 death hurts the same worldwide. I'm sure that applies for 3000 deaths too, not to mention the countless more lives that were taken.
as an antinatalist myself i can never get why people never think about reproduction in a more realistic way and often times glorify being a parent just for the sake of wanting to be a parent
Personally I don't get what there is to not get. Wanting to be a parent, aka procreate, is an intrinsic desire we have evolved to have, because a species that doesn't want to procreate doesn't and dies out. We exist, so we have this desire. We very quickly wouldn't exist anymore if we didn't. There's hardly anything to explain. The difference between pro- and anti-natalism is axiomatic, not conclusionary.
I think the op's point is that, since we're conscious, we can observe the negative effects a lot of people incur in other people's lives, and so we shouldn't want to have children for such an one-sided reason like "I feel like it", since they'll suffer. Of course this is only my interpretation and it really is what I think about when I see the word "anti-natalism". I used to be absolutely anti-natalist too but after a few months watching Dr K's videos I started to think like "ok, so it is possible for people to actually be a good parent and humans are not doomed by their childhood". And so now I'm more like, mental health and emotional intelligence need a lot more attention so that bad parenting ceases to exist.
@@Ayzev you tube is banning me to respond for some reason. dude you're just flat out wrong about this. the argument of us being evolved to be this way is not gonna cut it. there is a lot of unhealthy behavior that we're evolved to do as well does that excuse the behavior? NO!
@@misterkite99 yeah it's unfortunate that you and many other people think that way about antinatalism. it's the equivalent of mocking vegans for being an animal right's activist and atheists being a bunch of angry teenagers im being demonetized for no reason
In Rue's case, the relevancy of being born around 911 is simply grieving surroundings. Her parents were grieving after she was born -> insecure attachment "my existence doesn't make me *nor* anyone else happy". Because as you said, babies can't think why their parents are grieving, they just feel that their parents are greiving
I wish I wasn't born. I hate everything about life. There is no chance I will ever bring children into this nightmare. Human beings are a terrible experiment gone wrong.
@@bruhdabones That's the worst thing about the internet these days. Since there are so so many opinions and thoughts flying around people are generalising very fast in order to make sense of it. 1-2 tweets can define an entire generation for people.
Imagine experiencing life and being like "yeah, I should bring someone new into this". Extraordinary thinking in my opinion, I'd never put anyone through this.
It often feels like 80% societal pressure and expectations. And in Asian countries, another big reason is kids being treated as retirement plans/investments.
Dr K mentioned Otto Rank, and there is another incredible psychiatrist named Stanislav Grof who was one of the pioneers of psychedelic therapy. Grof mentions Rank in his books because patients RELIVED their own Birth during psychedelic therapy sessions. Shit blew my mind to read about
It depends on what exactly they conceived in these memories. If they claim to have consciously watched things happen, then no, they are creating false memories. The mind does not have enough experience yet in the darkness of the womb to be able to conceive of the things we see. We need to be able to experience the world and the things around us to colonize the mind with the world. An example of this revealing itself was a man was blinded when he was a few months old who through surgery was able to regain his sight in his 40s. He could see but he couldn't see shapes. He'd missed the critical period around year one to two of life where the brain must take in the visual experience of shapes to be able to recognize them, the period when he was blind. Denied that period his brain couldn't grasp that fundamental concept. And this is AFTER being born. What someone in the womb experiences is nothing like life as we know it.
You may notice that men never quote some a wise comment of female experts... I never heard Jordan Peterson, or any other man doing it They are only very few men who do quote some smart female expert. but many women admire male experts. I admire Jordan Peterson as well . ...but when it comes to make movies or short videos, about negative examples...these men never hesitate to use a female example. But its pity because there are many ynice women who cherish and admire smart experts or even famous musicians poets, philosophers of 19 century and like to share their wisdom with community...because they believe the wotrld shpould be inspired by wise men.
That was your take away from all of this? While it may be true that he is recounting his own experiences, it's hardly indicative of him promoting himself. Lots of people have been referred to see a psychiatrist in order to determine what may or may not be wrong with themselves or their children. There is a difference between objective data and association bias.
I know one thing Z is an amazing actor the lady playing her sister and mom are amazing as well. I never did drugs or took pills but I have had mental problems I fight myself i have depressing i have suicidal thoughts. Losing my dad in 2019 sent me and my mom both into a spin. The way she acts. The way she nervously walks around and the small ticks she has. I can't watch alot because it actually gets my anxiety to flair at times. The ep where she breaks down and lashes out at her family in season 2 is just...WOW. That girl has my respect.
Random side jump: Reddit recommended r/antipsychiatry and I can't get it out of my head. I had one negative interaction with a psych who said bipolar two after a 15 minute appointment. The other prescribed me an antidepressant (I was clearly depressed; I can see that now) and only took an ADHD self report form without analyzing it with me. She said I can try stimulants after I get a heart and drug test. The point: antipsychiatry hive mind thinks adhd is being over diagnosed to give rich white women an excuse to take drugs to get through the day. And I can't get that out of my head.
I mean yes you're correct but polar thinking is usually the path to despair or hopeless idealism>*which crumbles*>despair. It ain't all of psychiatry, but its not none of it.
So I resent and avoid my parents and refrain from forming close emotional bonds with people because my emotional needs weren't met as a child during moments of vulnerability. It makes perfect sense. And my parents won't take any responsibility and give me the "we did the best we could" spiel and say how I'm ungrateful and they don't deserve my resentful attitude. Well your best wasn't good enough and your claim that all kids hate their parents doesn't hold water when secure attachments exist.
A massive issue is the Meaning Crisis we're going through. The absence of meaning in the world due to our current modernist viewpoint is robbing us of the value of the world we know is there and can't help but live for, but refuse to acknowledge. Dr. Ks Modernist explanation of religion reveals an aspect of this. I can understand where peoples worry comes from, but I don't get why people are worried so much about the externalities of the world as opposed to their own life. Seeing the towers go down for me was history getting back on course after a Second Belle Epoch that was the 90s which tricked people into thinking that there was an end to history. They were slapped in the face that they were not beyond anything, but this day and age is no different than that of 1939, 1914, 1792 or even the time of the Black Plague or the Plague of Justinian.
When we talk about nature vs nurture, I've yet to hear anyone talk about how the experiences of the basic human life cycle must be integral to our brains earliest forming as a template. Nurture may be more or less than 50% of us, but human stages of life like birth are inseparable from us, and so it leaves its impression on all of us. If humans were bred from test tubes, surely they would be the egg of a new kind of chicken, and over hundreds of years evolve into something else completely.
@@MusiicRoolz You cant track something that doesnt exist. If we manage to make humans from test tubes, any abnormalities would sooner be assumed to be a failure on the part of the geneticists than the transformative experience on the brain of *being* birthed. Eliminating birth is just one part - living in your mother, hearing her heartbeat. Can a musician ever be born without hearing her mother's heart beat in her first 9 months of life? For all we know, our own heart learns rythm from the beat of our mothers. Can we be pro-social people without living our first months in the secure warmth of our mothers' womb? I think those questions could be tested on animals. I think sheep cloning has been very successful. If they can make the same sheep twice, but with different birthing circumstances, they can observe for behavioural and temperamental differences.
@@notbrad4873 Not commenting on the whole rest, but people deaf at birth are perfectly able to learn rythm. It just comes through other senses. The feeling of vibration not the sound aspect. Deaf dancers exist in the world. And music can simply go by a new understanding of rythm. Since we keyed the term to start with and it's all around us. What we keep seeing, is that life will adapt either way. So yeah, children born from a process that eleminates birth, are likely different. But there's not necessarily a judgement in this. It may reduce some abilities but strengthen others. Which may just mean that more effort is required in aquiring one skill over another and yet we could still reach the same outcomes through different means. I wouldn't go as far as assuming one aspect would change stuff this far. After all, even a clones person would go through growth process in stable environment to then still go through the traumatic experience of that environment destabilizing when they're removed from that state to start the journey as "individual".
@@KxNOxUTA I'm aware that some deaf people even enjoy concerts. Please do not focus on the specific senses I chose to express myself with; there is more to a mothers heart beat than a sound, and like deaf people may feel concert music in the air and the ground, the rhythm of the heart can be felt in the womb. Maybe it goes beyond our sense and our cells do it without the standard means as we understand them to be. Maybe it doesnt happen at all -- what I'm saying here is we (all of us) simply don't know the answers to these questions, and we should not limit ourselves in exploring for answers that may shatter everything we thought we knew about the world, such as a fetus "hearing" a heartbeat by any other means we havent thought of or not even discovered
@@notbrad4873 In a sense, it's inevitable. People explore. It's normal. On the other hand, there are some things that we have already learned due to looking at the past. And that is, that meddling with blalances in life tends to lead to bad outcomes. :'D Which is to say, that a lot of grace can be found in the flow of nature. And that is not to say, that we should stick to "the old ways". It's more about understanding that all should come in good easure, in balance and context. Progress and tradition. Because it takes time for progress to show it's face. And it takes time for people to adjust to change.
at one point i wanted kids, now with the way the world is going, I play the "hell to the nah, to the nahh nah nah" song in my head whenever i think on it now.
Pretty much the same. I mean if I still want kids or a family I would consider adopting instead. I'm against having my own children due to: - genetics (mental/physiological health problems) - world population and climate change - I'm still raising myself
The more I read about how it was during WWII for all Europeans and Asians, the more amazed I am how can we possibly think that we have it bad right now. The horror and famine during those times was like 10x worse compared to everything that we hear from the safety of our homes now. And those people still brought children into this world, for which I am grateful now. Perhaps it was normal for them back then.
Prepare for people with a lot of existential dread in the comments, they are always attracted to videos like these. What upsets me most is that these people always see these videos as a way to motivate their way of thinking, while Dr. K tries to do exactly the opposite, provide an explanation to a problem so that we might be able to fix it. But a lot of people never question their birth and just live their life, so they won't even click on this video.
Tbf, when you make a title like this you're practically asking them to come in, don't you? XD. And what you're describing is pretty common, sure, but then again, you can't undo years of existential dread by talking about attachment theory for 20 minutes, at least I don't think you can. I clicked on this video because the title does speak to me a lot. I've used to be big into the more philosophical side of antinatalism and thought the argument to be iron clad and the case closed, but after some discussions and reconsiderations my philosophical position changed, I realised the case is much weaker than I thought. What didn't change, however, is my belief that it would've been better for me not to be born, and that belief is as strong as ever, if not stronger, partly because of my relatively recent bout with covid that left me with chronic fatigue and shortness of breath, which have inflicted me for about 5 months now. To me, living doesn't feel worth the effort, and I don't really have a reason to believe that will change anytime soon.
@@yourfellowweebalex8102 Living is hard, but for me the eternity of non-existence is really scary and infinitely harder. Schopenhauer said it best (even though he was a pessimist), most of our suffering in life comes from the unfounded belief that we exist in order to be happy. As long as we persist in that belief the world will perpetually seem like it's all wrong. We live just to live, and in reality happiness is just what we make for ourselves, it can't be served to us on a platter, unlike pleasure. You know, we can learn a lot from how animals live their life. They never pity themselves and for them to live isn't supposed to either be happy or sad. To live is just to live, nothing more, nothing less.
@@Leonhart_93 For you, perhaps, but not for everyone. I do not have the belief that life is supposed to be happy, or sad, or anything at all, it changes nothing as to how I feel about it. If living just to live is good enough for you, that's amazing, it's not good enough for everyone.
@@yourfellowweebalex8102 Watch it, simply mental exhaustion despite everything is probably because of brain chemicals imbalance. Serotonin in your case sounds particularly lacking. This is exactly why very often pills are used by patients with depression, those chemicals are almost everything.
@@Leonhart_93 SSRI's aren't any good for some people, I have made a few acquaintances through the HG Discord, their experience was nothing short of absolutely misreable. Not only did pills not help, they made it worse (not to mention that pills have a less than stellar record, my buddy sent me a bunch of articles that strongly suggest meds being highly ineffective in battling depression, even Dr K mentioned that they help in about 20% of cases iirc). I do not think it has anything to do with a chemical imbalance, not in every case anyway, if you feel like your life isn't worth living that might be because it isn't. What would help is making it worth it.
I remember when I was really young I tried to go back into my mother stomach then tried to go back into my father stomach… yeah me and my sis would love to tell our parents to never have kids. They weren’t good parents
That´s funny becuz i actually did that for years everytime we would argue about my upbringing. I did cut all my ties with them and am relieved by so much
I'm only at the 1:30 mark of this, but after reading something interesting about the uterus, the unique placenta humans have, and the purpose of menstrual cycles, it's worth noting in the discussion of "I never asked to be born", the uterus is actually an incredibly hostile place to ensure only the strongest of embryos survive. Not to mention our placenta is super invasive compared to other placenta types. So much so that other animals can terminate at will(*as far as I've understood it) if they need to, however humans have to discern very quickly before the placenta takes hold. From the very moment of conception it seems like a battle between mom and baby. The baby is fighting to stay viable and the mother's body is trying to figure out if she's well taken care of enough to proceed with the pregnancy. Its been something I think about when I consider the "I didn't ask to be born" and genetic memories. Also worth noting I'm not a scientist or anything, I'm just interested in the play between micro and macro scales of memories and how they influence or if they influence our greater consciousness. In other words, how far back does personal trauma (not including generational genetic trauma) go because I have a hunch (that I could never prove unfortunately) the difficulty of the uterus plays a part. This is really messy so if anyone reads this I apologize hahaha.
interview Anthony palladia i believe that would be a very educational person to interview as he does much shorter interviewes with alot of diffrent and diverse people
26:10 I'm turning 30 this year. No kids but for the last 5 years or so I've thought about it and I also dont want to bring anyone into this world if I'm not confident if it's going to last another 100 years.
I was born into a country-less ethnic group who was told to fight for their homeland back in the 1960s. Even though the war officially ended in the 70s, it still continued on to the 80s and 90s because wars don't immediately just stop. Yeah, the younger generations aren't affected but it really does make you realize how conservative the United States is. I was born in Thailand but grew up in the US, I knew of my people's history so it always felt like I was living in two worlds. When I learned about 9/11 it didn't change my perspective in the world, the American's reactions were reasonable but from an outside perspective it felt like Americans were incompetent and too rational. I do believe that humanity's peace will definitely be our downfall one day but until then let's all just continue watching UA-cam videos.
Don’t get me wrong the world can be a terrible place but that sounds like an excuse to just simply not have kids. The world is also a beautiful place .
@@wafflewaffle8529 I would love for them to see all the beauty and joy in the world, there's plenty of it, but like they will probably be depressed ya know what I mean
@@iquemedia If all they could see is beauty and joy they wouldn't be well off. We need suffering and things not on our terms often to appreciate those things. Light is wonderful because of the darkness.
Sorry for this boomer question, but what movie is he talking about? And by the way: Thanks for your great content Dr. K. There is a whole generation that needs help like this!
@@SimGunther I have just got like 30 recommendations for the VN over the past week or so so I was like "Wow, is drK REALLY talking about something like that on stream? cool!"
Dr. K i would like you to give yogic perspective as much as you used to do before if people say it's not scientific upload those vids on a separate channel or playlist
Well Dr. K's content is mostly what the community wants, so ask about it in chat, make a post on reddit or start a discussion on discord. If it get's traction, he will talk about it.
Something that I told myself whenever this thought came up I may have not been asked to be born, but someone wanted me to be, one way or the other. Shouldn’t that be enough to be alive? It may not help but it could for you
Not everyone can say the people who created them wanted them to be born unfortunately...And as a child, feeling like you are only a burden to your parent(s) is a really shitty feeling
It doesn't matter what they were thinking. You're alive, it's your life. Being a child is a really short period of a human's life. You can be a batter person and give yourself and others so much joy. Don't limit yourself to some bad times because life is pretty long and full of everything.
I haven't seen the video or watched Euphoria but I had a classmate in highschool who made the statement: "I didn't ask to be born", I found it really pretentious. The reason why I found it triggering was because I am someone who did come from rough childhoods and battled with ADHD, depression & PTSD since I was about 5 years old. To me the statement seemed like a child who was given a toy and then got mad at their parents for giving them a toy in the first place. The kids I spent in the ghetto were always the ones who sought for hope in hopelessness situations. Firstly, there's always good things in your life that you over look. Secondly, if it took you 16 years to figure that out to come with the statement that you didn't choose to be born, you still chose to be alive. Bold claim but the only people who get to say they didn't choose to be born are the ones who committed suicide. Anyone who speaks about not wanting to be born but is still standing healthy should not be speaking at all. You can say life is terribly difficult but you do not have the right to hold a statement such as not wanting to be born. Thirdly, that classmate was reckless and unhinged. He was very "edgy" its like watching someone who supports communism partake in capitalistic lifestyles. It was hypocrisy. No one asked to be born. If you look at the probability and think the chances of you being born, it's an infinitely big number against you. I am born at a time where modern-day technology makes lives easier and safer. Where medical sciences has provided a lot ot vaccines against once dangerous diseases. A time where everyone is given a right to education and should be treated equally. I am significantly lucky and grateful to be born.
I had a child so I would not commit suicide with nothing to live for. I know it was selfish but my life finally has meaning and I actually experience happiness from raising my son. I don't have it in me to bring a second child into this world as I am already hyper aware of my selfish act from my first son. I tell my self that he will always have the love and financial support to take on the difficulties of the new world he is being born into but I worry these are things I tell myself to reduce some of the guilt I have if he were to grow up wishing he was never born. This Thursday he will be 2 and for now he is happy.
Having a child is not selfish imo, even if you did it to fill the emptiness. So long as you remember your child does not have a responsibility for looking after you it's not selfish.
@@carabinapacifista5627 What?! That's ridiculous. He may choose to eventually have a child anyway but saying that not wanting to have them is extremely rational. It may currently be ok in most western nations (for now while other parts of the world is already collapsing) but with the coming climate disasters, water shortages in some areas and food shortages world wide how can simply turning off media solve those? You must be very lucky that soaring costs of living just poof away when you turn off the TV or internet. Working class people are not so fortunate. It is responsible and rational to choose to not bring more people into this world to suffer. Even of you can initially provide for them they will still have to live through their adulthood on a planet that has a climate that is going to become inhospitable to human life. I honestly regret having my own son 14 years ago but I didn't know any better then. So I plan to just be supportive and not expect him to leave at 18 or if it gets really terrible he doesn't need to leave at all if he can not afford it.
It's not becoming scarier, what would be scary is to return to the caveman Era where not only human and weather, but animals are a danger. And not having modern bathroom, that is scary.
Go to meditation video (here, 10 months ago) and find out (and "what for") you DID decide to be born. Long experience (since very young) trying to leave, therapy, etc...for decades...it's time to realize you/me choose it
True. Here's the issue though, this will only help so much :'D You can have "decided to go to that party" all you want and own that. But that won't do a single thing in regards to "That party turned into a nightmare when the house went up in fire and people started dying left and right". The decision to get born does nothing in regards to still needing to make a daily decision to stay ;) We cannot mix those things. It definitely help to own our "being here" instead of shoving around blame for our existenc which does absolutely nothing than dmage to ourselves. But that is the easier part of this problem. To find reasons to stay and to give your "OK" to acknowledging the circumstance under which we work, is an entirely different matter! If your soul wants to express itself through art, then it can do so in a calm remote village with 2 ppl watching or in a war zone where you eventually use it to send huge messages to all f the world about the things that happen there. The soul doesn't judge and evaluate things by human terms. Which is why free will exists and opting out is a valid option that we humans have societally robbed ourselves off, when nature has restained that right!! Did you know ants who are hurt decide themselves if they wanna get help with living or dying and surrounding ants help with whatever the choice is?? Fascinating, no? Even more so, when you think how much suffering is created from the power that abusive people gain by trapping their victims between abuse and the notion that not suffering the abuse is no option!! Because what are they to do it people go and remove themselves from their range of power and impact and leave them to themselves aka each others, amongst abusers. Strangely enough, this may or may not be the source why there's so much suffering and we arentway more careful with each other. Cause "not being careful" doesn't have consequences for us for a very long time eventually. And then we're very surprised and shocked over the loss of people or people loosing it. :'3 Accepting that we are here by own choice is one thing. Assessing if we stay, is yet another. Assessing if the price of staying - regardless of the challenges - is worth the price we can imagine for ourselves, the the thing we often need help with the most. Getting a really realistic result that things are dire and still choosing to give the 0,00001% chance a chance, is what hope and courage are. Not the ignorance of what things are like, but the active decision to still carry on. And that is not for everyone. And we sure sill have lots of room of makig these decisions and assesments easier for people, by giving proof in the here and now how life is full of love, regardless of circumstances. Cause we cannot actually be separated, not even by ourselves. And we can go an acknowledge how much work and effort has and had consistently been applied to us to give us that impression.
@@SaladDongs Maybe, but for the largest portion of them it's a choice. It may be an uneducated, impulsive choice, but it's still something they willingly walk into.
@@Leonhart_93 I think people should take agency for their actions sure, but whether them taking acency for their actions is "fair" is sort of muddy, because we'd get into a whole discussion about free will. That's kind of what I meant by that. Point is, don't judge substance abusers, you don't know if they chose their lifestyle, and if they did, how they did it, when, where etc
@@SaladDongs I can only speak from my experiences and every single one of the substance abusers I know (mainly alchool, tobacco, weed) choose their vices, even if some of them regret their choice in present time. So I will judge them based on their choice. Choice is the only constant truth in this world. Those that didn't chose their vices by some circumstance I can't imagine also have the choice to make a sacrifice and give them up. The alternatives to this are always much worse.
You're correct, but usually the point is the truthfulness of the statement in refutation of an established assumption about the parent-child relationship. In short, the full thought expressed in the phrase "I never asked to be born", might be something like, "I never asked to be born, so don't pretend that I owe you something in return as my parent".
@@cryingcrane8173 My ex girlfriend used to say this to her parents all the time as in a I'm miserable so its your fault kind of way when in fact her misery was self inflicted and really was just projecting or pointing fingers instead of taking responsibility so I never quite understood this argument. thanks for the comment!
@@therealfolkblues5535 That seems to be how it's used most times, as a statement on it's own there's nothing wrong it, because would-be parents should think hard and long about what kind of life they'll be providing a child they make and not take it lightly, but as you say more often than not it's people who haven't had any harder of a time than the next person using it as a weapon to inflict guilt on a parent when it's them and their grown ass actions leading them into the shitter.
There are some folks on here who are too blessed to imagine a truly horrible, or the frequency of truly horrible, parents. It's kinda cruel and invalidating.
And you will probably never understand by thinking about it. Because there is no logic in it, only emotional tantrum. It take it at face value that some people think like that.
Would really like to see more content on children's development and parenting. I think a lot of people out there had negative experiences growing up, are now becoming parents themselves and might be terrified of somehow causing anything negative psychologically for their own kids.
I learned a lot from this video
Reproduction is an act of violence, you cannot not to cause harm rising your kid, its ontologically impossible
Yes please this
Yes this! It's really helpful info for changing/mending childhood beliefs and habits.
I like how you are focussing on the realistic aspects of Euphoria since I see many people focussing on the quality of its writing and cinematography. Really helps give a practical outlook on how we perceive mental health and the struggles many people experience around it
Dr. K talks about how 9/11 had a devastating effect on America. War, racism, trauma, etc. That got me thinking about how crippled other countries, and its people have been by the countless war acts done to them. Middle Eastern countries, North African countries etc. Must've been equally devastating there. Not trying to disparage or downplay 9/11. Just a thought for those I feel are often forgotten.
To be fair this is applicable to most countries at that point. For instance, China, Japan, Korea, Germany, etc
To be fair it's like Pearl Harbor. We knew it was coming and just "let it happen". We have a very complex political relationship with who did it, the Saudis. We waged war against a neighbor who had nothing to do with it, Iraq. Estimates show that we murdered 2.5 Million Iraqi civilians as a show to power to the rest of the world for literally no reason. For the last 60 years America's entire political structure has been comprised of war criminals because the only industry left in America is weapons manufacturing and the military industrial complex. If you've ever voted in america you have blood on your hands. Tough thing trying to be a good person and doing the right thing when faced with that reality.
@@matthewgilfus1640 3000 dead had a devastating effect, imagine the hurt caused by a death toll 800 times that. And that's just one country. Tragic.
Equally?
@@taina88111 I'm sure 1 death hurts the same worldwide. I'm sure that applies for 3000 deaths too, not to mention the countless more lives that were taken.
as an antinatalist myself i can never get why people never think about reproduction in a more realistic way and often times glorify being a parent just for the sake of wanting to be a parent
Personally I don't get what there is to not get. Wanting to be a parent, aka procreate, is an intrinsic desire we have evolved to have, because a species that doesn't want to procreate doesn't and dies out. We exist, so we have this desire. We very quickly wouldn't exist anymore if we didn't. There's hardly anything to explain. The difference between pro- and anti-natalism is axiomatic, not conclusionary.
@@Ayzev true though we should be more smart about procreation
I think the op's point is that, since we're conscious, we can observe the negative effects a lot of people incur in other people's lives, and so we shouldn't want to have children for such an one-sided reason like "I feel like it", since they'll suffer.
Of course this is only my interpretation and it really is what I think about when I see the word "anti-natalism".
I used to be absolutely anti-natalist too but after a few months watching Dr K's videos I started to think like "ok, so it is possible for people to actually be a good parent and humans are not doomed by their childhood". And so now I'm more like, mental health and emotional intelligence need a lot more attention so that bad parenting ceases to exist.
@@Ayzev you tube is banning me to respond for some reason. dude you're just flat out wrong about this. the argument of us being evolved to be this way is not gonna cut it. there is a lot of unhealthy behavior that we're evolved to do as well does that excuse the behavior? NO!
@@misterkite99 yeah it's unfortunate that you and many other people think that way about antinatalism. it's the equivalent of mocking vegans for being an animal right's activist and atheists being a bunch of angry teenagers im being demonetized for no reason
In Rue's case, the relevancy of being born around 911 is simply grieving surroundings. Her parents were grieving after she was born -> insecure attachment "my existence doesn't make me *nor* anyone else happy". Because as you said, babies can't think why their parents are grieving, they just feel that their parents are greiving
they believe their parents grieving is their fault
I wish I wasn't born. I hate everything about life. There is no chance I will ever bring children into this nightmare. Human beings are a terrible experiment gone wrong.
I'm kinda speechless after this one because it's too real, relevant and precise to me. Dr. K be the Zoomer whisperer.
Zoomers arent that complicated.
@@Staplegunner elaborate
@@Staplegunner people are individuals and are in fact VERY complicated.
@@Staplegunner we love making generalizations 😄 about entire groups of people
@@bruhdabones That's the worst thing about the internet these days. Since there are so so many opinions and thoughts flying around people are generalising very fast in order to make sense of it. 1-2 tweets can define an entire generation for people.
Imagine experiencing life and being like "yeah, I should bring someone new into this".
Extraordinary thinking in my opinion, I'd never put anyone through this.
It often feels like 80% societal pressure and expectations. And in Asian countries, another big reason is kids being treated as retirement plans/investments.
Exactly
It's not about "thinking", it's one of the most basic primal urges.
its not your kids fault for your unhappiness with life
@@SuperCakeKing But your kid's unhappiness with life is your fault
This is literally one of the best, most well-explained, and helpful channels on all of UA-cam. Keep kicking ass, Dr. K.
The most cruel thing a human can do is creating more humans.
Dr K mentioned Otto Rank, and there is another incredible psychiatrist named Stanislav Grof who was one of the pioneers of psychedelic therapy. Grof mentions Rank in his books because patients RELIVED their own Birth during psychedelic therapy sessions. Shit blew my mind to read about
Glad to hear from another Grof fan.
It depends on what exactly they conceived in these memories. If they claim to have consciously watched things happen, then no, they are creating false memories. The mind does not have enough experience yet in the darkness of the womb to be able to conceive of the things we see. We need to be able to experience the world and the things around us to colonize the mind with the world.
An example of this revealing itself was a man was blinded when he was a few months old who through surgery was able to regain his sight in his 40s. He could see but he couldn't see shapes. He'd missed the critical period around year one to two of life where the brain must take in the visual experience of shapes to be able to recognize them, the period when he was blind. Denied that period his brain couldn't grasp that fundamental concept.
And this is AFTER being born. What someone in the womb experiences is nothing like life as we know it.
@@nektulosnewbie it was probably the feelings of the birth
You may notice that men never quote some a wise comment of female experts... I never heard Jordan Peterson, or any other man doing it
They are only very few men who do quote some smart female expert.
but many women admire male experts. I admire Jordan Peterson as well
. ...but when it comes to make movies or short videos, about negative examples...these men never hesitate to use a female example.
But its pity because there are many ynice women who cherish and admire smart experts or even famous musicians poets, philosophers of 19 century and like to share their wisdom with community...because they believe the wotrld shpould be inspired by wise men.
This has quickly become one of my favorite channels. Great work!
I love this! I would really enjoy your understanding of all the rest of the characters, i think that its writing is great for psychological analysis!!
Oh man I can't wait to listen to this. This is one of my favorite topics
These conversations give me hope.
My dad used to drink when I was little.. I still struggle with "walking on eggshells".
I'd love to see Dr. K react to Bojack Horseman
After Dr.K saying "We take him to see a psychiatrist" I was like: did I just watch a 30 min advert of Dr.K promoting himself?
That was your take away from all of this? While it may be true that he is recounting his own experiences, it's hardly indicative of him promoting himself. Lots of people have been referred to see a psychiatrist in order to determine what may or may not be wrong with themselves or their children. There is a difference between objective data and association bias.
Dude chill, it's a joke wtf lol
Love the new background lights !
I was so focused on that great hair that I didn't even notice. Lol
The title is me all day. I've been ghosted by my parents since I was born 🤦🏻
I can't wait for the other episodes
I'd like to go back in time and tell my parents not to have a kid
*throws in condom instructions with font 72*
*steps on a cronchy leaf in the cretaceus period*
im going back in time to punch that one animal that decided for some reason to evolve into humans
Poor you.
You should see a doctor. Stuff like that that has suicidal overtones man.
I know one thing Z is an amazing actor the lady playing her sister and mom are amazing as well. I never did drugs or took pills but I have had mental problems I fight myself i have depressing i have suicidal thoughts. Losing my dad in 2019 sent me and my mom both into a spin. The way she acts. The way she nervously walks around and the small ticks she has. I can't watch alot because it actually gets my anxiety to flair at times. The ep where she breaks down and lashes out at her family in season 2 is just...WOW. That girl has my respect.
I’ve never seen Euphoria but it was chilling how similar my childhood was with the last segment of this video
Random side jump: Reddit recommended r/antipsychiatry and I can't get it out of my head. I had one negative interaction with a psych who said bipolar two after a 15 minute appointment. The other prescribed me an antidepressant (I was clearly depressed; I can see that now) and only took an ADHD self report form without analyzing it with me. She said I can try stimulants after I get a heart and drug test.
The point: antipsychiatry hive mind thinks adhd is being over diagnosed to give rich white women an excuse to take drugs to get through the day. And I can't get that out of my head.
I mean yes you're correct but polar thinking is usually the path to despair or hopeless idealism>*which crumbles*>despair. It ain't all of psychiatry, but its not none of it.
If you need a pill to get through the day, there's no reason why you shouldn't take one.
Wish my parents could have seen this back in the 90s so that they wouldn't have set me up with a fearful attachment style
So I resent and avoid my parents and refrain from forming close emotional bonds with people because my emotional needs weren't met as a child during moments of vulnerability. It makes perfect sense. And my parents won't take any responsibility and give me the "we did the best we could" spiel and say how I'm ungrateful and they don't deserve my resentful attitude. Well your best wasn't good enough and your claim that all kids hate their parents doesn't hold water when secure attachments exist.
A massive issue is the Meaning Crisis we're going through. The absence of meaning in the world due to our current modernist viewpoint is robbing us of the value of the world we know is there and can't help but live for, but refuse to acknowledge. Dr. Ks Modernist explanation of religion reveals an aspect of this.
I can understand where peoples worry comes from, but I don't get why people are worried so much about the externalities of the world as opposed to their own life. Seeing the towers go down for me was history getting back on course after a Second Belle Epoch that was the 90s which tricked people into thinking that there was an end to history. They were slapped in the face that they were not beyond anything, but this day and age is no different than that of 1939, 1914, 1792 or even the time of the Black Plague or the Plague of Justinian.
When we talk about nature vs nurture, I've yet to hear anyone talk about how the experiences of the basic human life cycle must be integral to our brains earliest forming as a template. Nurture may be more or less than 50% of us, but human stages of life like birth are inseparable from us, and so it leaves its impression on all of us. If humans were bred from test tubes, surely they would be the egg of a new kind of chicken, and over hundreds of years evolve into something else completely.
that last part is really interesting. there is not much way to track that though...
@@MusiicRoolz You cant track something that doesnt exist. If we manage to make humans from test tubes, any abnormalities would sooner be assumed to be a failure on the part of the geneticists than the transformative experience on the brain of *being* birthed.
Eliminating birth is just one part - living in your mother, hearing her heartbeat. Can a musician ever be born without hearing her mother's heart beat in her first 9 months of life? For all we know, our own heart learns rythm from the beat of our mothers. Can we be pro-social people without living our first months in the secure warmth of our mothers' womb?
I think those questions could be tested on animals. I think sheep cloning has been very successful. If they can make the same sheep twice, but with different birthing circumstances, they can observe for behavioural and temperamental differences.
@@notbrad4873 Not commenting on the whole rest, but people deaf at birth are perfectly able to learn rythm. It just comes through other senses. The feeling of vibration not the sound aspect. Deaf dancers exist in the world. And music can simply go by a new understanding of rythm. Since we keyed the term to start with and it's all around us.
What we keep seeing, is that life will adapt either way. So yeah, children born from a process that eleminates birth, are likely different. But there's not necessarily a judgement in this. It may reduce some abilities but strengthen others. Which may just mean that more effort is required in aquiring one skill over another and yet we could still reach the same outcomes through different means.
I wouldn't go as far as assuming one aspect would change stuff this far. After all, even a clones person would go through growth process in stable environment to then still go through the traumatic experience of that environment destabilizing when they're removed from that state to start the journey as "individual".
@@KxNOxUTA I'm aware that some deaf people even enjoy concerts. Please do not focus on the specific senses I chose to express myself with; there is more to a mothers heart beat than a sound, and like deaf people may feel concert music in the air and the ground, the rhythm of the heart can be felt in the womb. Maybe it goes beyond our sense and our cells do it without the standard means as we understand them to be. Maybe it doesnt happen at all -- what I'm saying here is we (all of us) simply don't know the answers to these questions, and we should not limit ourselves in exploring for answers that may shatter everything we thought we knew about the world, such as a fetus "hearing" a heartbeat by any other means we havent thought of or not even discovered
@@notbrad4873 In a sense, it's inevitable. People explore. It's normal. On the other hand, there are some things that we have already learned due to looking at the past. And that is, that meddling with blalances in life tends to lead to bad outcomes. :'D Which is to say, that a lot of grace can be found in the flow of nature. And that is not to say, that we should stick to "the old ways". It's more about understanding that all should come in good easure, in balance and context. Progress and tradition. Because it takes time for progress to show it's face. And it takes time for people to adjust to change.
Wait didn't this video get posted in a different format a few weeks ago?
hii im early i love you Dr. K
What about babies that had to be put into an incubator for weeks due to premature birth?
Especially when these are twins?
at one point i wanted kids, now with the way the world is going, I play the "hell to the nah, to the nahh nah nah" song in my head whenever i think on it now.
Pretty much the same. I mean if I still want kids or a family I would consider adopting instead. I'm against having my own children due to:
- genetics (mental/physiological health problems)
- world population and climate change
- I'm still raising myself
I disagree you must affirm life in spite of the countless tragedies, trials, and tribulations of our existence.
The more I read about how it was during WWII for all Europeans and Asians, the more amazed I am how can we possibly think that we have it bad right now. The horror and famine during those times was like 10x worse compared to everything that we hear from the safety of our homes now. And those people still brought children into this world, for which I am grateful now. Perhaps it was normal for them back then.
Prepare for people with a lot of existential dread in the comments, they are always attracted to videos like these. What upsets me most is that these people always see these videos as a way to motivate their way of thinking, while Dr. K tries to do exactly the opposite, provide an explanation to a problem so that we might be able to fix it.
But a lot of people never question their birth and just live their life, so they won't even click on this video.
Tbf, when you make a title like this you're practically asking them to come in, don't you? XD.
And what you're describing is pretty common, sure, but then again, you can't undo years of existential dread by talking about attachment theory for 20 minutes, at least I don't think you can. I clicked on this video because the title does speak to me a lot. I've used to be big into the more philosophical side of antinatalism and thought the argument to be iron clad and the case closed, but after some discussions and reconsiderations my philosophical position changed, I realised the case is much weaker than I thought. What didn't change, however, is my belief that it would've been better for me not to be born, and that belief is as strong as ever, if not stronger, partly because of my relatively recent bout with covid that left me with chronic fatigue and shortness of breath, which have inflicted me for about 5 months now. To me, living doesn't feel worth the effort, and I don't really have a reason to believe that will change anytime soon.
@@yourfellowweebalex8102 Living is hard, but for me the eternity of non-existence is really scary and infinitely harder.
Schopenhauer said it best (even though he was a pessimist), most of our suffering in life comes from the unfounded belief that we exist in order to be happy. As long as we persist in that belief the world will perpetually seem like it's all wrong. We live just to live, and in reality happiness is just what we make for ourselves, it can't be served to us on a platter, unlike pleasure.
You know, we can learn a lot from how animals live their life. They never pity themselves and for them to live isn't supposed to either be happy or sad. To live is just to live, nothing more, nothing less.
@@Leonhart_93 For you, perhaps, but not for everyone. I do not have the belief that life is supposed to be happy, or sad, or anything at all, it changes nothing as to how I feel about it. If living just to live is good enough for you, that's amazing, it's not good enough for everyone.
@@yourfellowweebalex8102 Watch it, simply mental exhaustion despite everything is probably because of brain chemicals imbalance. Serotonin in your case sounds particularly lacking. This is exactly why very often pills are used by patients with depression, those chemicals are almost everything.
@@Leonhart_93 SSRI's aren't any good for some people, I have made a few acquaintances through the HG Discord, their experience was nothing short of absolutely misreable. Not only did pills not help, they made it worse (not to mention that pills have a less than stellar record, my buddy sent me a bunch of articles that strongly suggest meds being highly ineffective in battling depression, even Dr K mentioned that they help in about 20% of cases iirc). I do not think it has anything to do with a chemical imbalance, not in every case anyway, if you feel like your life isn't worth living that might be because it isn't. What would help is making it worth it.
I remember when I was really young I tried to go back into my mother stomach then tried to go back into my father stomach… yeah me and my sis would love to tell our parents to never have kids. They weren’t good parents
That´s funny becuz i actually did that for years everytime we would argue about my upbringing. I did cut all my ties with them and am relieved by so much
I'm only at the 1:30 mark of this, but after reading something interesting about the uterus, the unique placenta humans have, and the purpose of menstrual cycles, it's worth noting in the discussion of "I never asked to be born", the uterus is actually an incredibly hostile place to ensure only the strongest of embryos survive. Not to mention our placenta is super invasive compared to other placenta types. So much so that other animals can terminate at will(*as far as I've understood it) if they need to, however humans have to discern very quickly before the placenta takes hold. From the very moment of conception it seems like a battle between mom and baby. The baby is fighting to stay viable and the mother's body is trying to figure out if she's well taken care of enough to proceed with the pregnancy. Its been something I think about when I consider the "I didn't ask to be born" and genetic memories. Also worth noting I'm not a scientist or anything, I'm just interested in the play between micro and macro scales of memories and how they influence or if they influence our greater consciousness. In other words, how far back does personal trauma (not including generational genetic trauma) go because I have a hunch (that I could never prove unfortunately) the difficulty of the uterus plays a part. This is really messy so if anyone reads this I apologize hahaha.
Super interesting!
interview Anthony palladia i believe that would be a very educational person to interview as he does much shorter interviewes with alot of diffrent and diverse people
wait have i watched this before? is this a reupload
I think so too, or maybe this is a cut/edited version of a vod?
Same
26:10 I'm turning 30 this year. No kids but for the last 5 years or so I've thought about it and I also dont want to bring anyone into this world if I'm not confident if it's going to last another 100 years.
8 billion people already here
I was born into a country-less ethnic group who was told to fight for their homeland back in the 1960s. Even though the war officially ended in the 70s, it still continued on to the 80s and 90s because wars don't immediately just stop. Yeah, the younger generations aren't affected but it really does make you realize how conservative the United States is. I was born in Thailand but grew up in the US, I knew of my people's history so it always felt like I was living in two worlds. When I learned about 9/11 it didn't change my perspective in the world, the American's reactions were reasonable but from an outside perspective it felt like Americans were incompetent and too rational. I do believe that humanity's peace will definitely be our downfall one day but until then let's all just continue watching UA-cam videos.
im only 15 minutes into the video and i already feel called out oh wow 0.0
Intro music name? please and thank you
Infinity Cycle by Nocturnal!
is this the same as the video on euphoria from a while ago?
Wait, is this re-uploaded?
I think he's reuploading this in parts
Yes, the original was uploaded 2 weeks ago and is 1 hour 42. They cut it into several parts.
yeah, we added the clips to provide better context to those who never saw the show!
Oh thank god, he’s not talking about “that” euphoria
"that" euphoria will make our psychiatrist need a psychiatrist
Hi, fellow man of culture
I really thought he was, because of the subtitles, but I haven't seen either so I wouldnt know
why would I subject another living being to the horror of this world, let alone someone I love as my child
I'm thinking the same thing
Don’t get me wrong the world can be a terrible place but that sounds like an excuse to just simply not have kids. The world is also a beautiful place .
@@wafflewaffle8529 I would love for them to see all the beauty and joy in the world, there's plenty of it, but like they will probably be depressed ya know what I mean
@@iquemedia If all they could see is beauty and joy they wouldn't be well off. We need suffering and things not on our terms often to appreciate those things. Light is wonderful because of the darkness.
@@iquemedia yeah im thinking that too
Sorry for this boomer question, but what movie is he talking about? And by the way: Thanks for your great content Dr. K. There is a whole generation that needs help like this!
It's an HBO show called Euphoria. Google says there's 2 seasons of it...
Can't find this show in Germany. This sucks
so is this show based on the eroge visual novel or is it just a coincidence?
Big time coincidence. There's already an anime on the visual novel if you're interested 😏
not a coincidence, literally the same thing
@@SimGunther I have just got like 30 recommendations for the VN over the past week or so so I was like "Wow, is drK REALLY talking about something like that on stream? cool!"
Dr. K i would like you to give yogic perspective as much as you used to do before if people say it's not scientific upload those vids on a separate channel or playlist
o.o
Well Dr. K's content is mostly what the community wants, so ask about it in chat, make a post on reddit or start a discussion on discord. If it get's traction, he will talk about it.
Reupload?
Something that I told myself whenever this thought came up
I may have not been asked to be born, but someone wanted me to be, one way or the other. Shouldn’t that be enough to be alive?
It may not help but it could for you
Not everyone can say the people who created them wanted them to be born unfortunately...And as a child, feeling like you are only a burden to your parent(s) is a really shitty feeling
It doesn't matter what they were thinking. You're alive, it's your life. Being a child is a really short period of a human's life. You can be a batter person and give yourself and others so much joy. Don't limit yourself to some bad times because life is pretty long and full of everything.
@@FireJach That's really easy to say as an adult who's growing past it. I was talking about from the child's perspective
I haven't seen the video or watched Euphoria but I had a classmate in highschool who made the statement: "I didn't ask to be born", I found it really pretentious. The reason why I found it triggering was because I am someone who did come from rough childhoods and battled with ADHD, depression & PTSD since I was about 5 years old. To me the statement seemed like a child who was given a toy and then got mad at their parents for giving them a toy in the first place. The kids I spent in the ghetto were always the ones who sought for hope in hopelessness situations. Firstly, there's always good things in your life that you over look.
Secondly, if it took you 16 years to figure that out to come with the statement that you didn't choose to be born, you still chose to be alive. Bold claim but the only people who get to say they didn't choose to be born are the ones who committed suicide. Anyone who speaks about not wanting to be born but is still standing healthy should not be speaking at all. You can say life is terribly difficult but you do not have the right to hold a statement such as not wanting to be born.
Thirdly, that classmate was reckless and unhinged. He was very "edgy" its like watching someone who supports communism partake in capitalistic lifestyles. It was hypocrisy.
No one asked to be born. If you look at the probability and think the chances of you being born, it's an infinitely big number against you. I am born at a time where modern-day technology makes lives easier and safer. Where medical sciences has provided a lot ot vaccines against once dangerous diseases. A time where everyone is given a right to education and should be treated equally. I am significantly lucky and grateful to be born.
@@Jay-or5ex Anyone can feel depressed.
Regarding the last bit of this video, counting things on the ceiling, or anywhere in the world is normal ass kids behaviour. it's not weird at all.
Bruh i was just thinking bout this
Is that Mary Jane from Spiderman in the thumbnail?
It's Zendaya, she stars in the show Euphoria
Nope. In Spider-Man her name is Michelle Jones
@@FireJach Her name is actually Spider Jones and she plays Mary Jane in the new movie Spider-Man: The Multiverse Wonderland
wow👏
I had a child so I would not commit suicide with nothing to live for. I know it was selfish but my life finally has meaning and I actually experience happiness from raising my son. I don't have it in me to bring a second child into this world as I am already hyper aware of my selfish act from my first son. I tell my self that he will always have the love and financial support to take on the difficulties of the new world he is being born into but I worry these are things I tell myself to reduce some of the guilt I have if he were to grow up wishing he was never born. This Thursday he will be 2 and for now he is happy.
Having a child is not selfish imo, even if you did it to fill the emptiness. So long as you remember your child does not have a responsibility for looking after you it's not selfish.
What's up with part 2?
Being happy is not the norm anymore
😜 Roe: I was once happy, content ....
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That's one of the reasons I don't want to have children. The world is scary at it is, and it might become even scarier.
Turn off the TV and you will see it is not as scary. Overawareness and overstimulation is a problem.
@@carabinapacifista5627 What?! That's ridiculous. He may choose to eventually have a child anyway but saying that not wanting to have them is extremely rational. It may currently be ok in most western nations (for now while other parts of the world is already collapsing) but with the coming climate disasters, water shortages in some areas and food shortages world wide how can simply turning off media solve those? You must be very lucky that soaring costs of living just poof away when you turn off the TV or internet. Working class people are not so fortunate. It is responsible and rational to choose to not bring more people into this world to suffer. Even of you can initially provide for them they will still have to live through their adulthood on a planet that has a climate that is going to become inhospitable to human life. I honestly regret having my own son 14 years ago but I didn't know any better then. So I plan to just be supportive and not expect him to leave at 18 or if it gets really terrible he doesn't need to leave at all if he can not afford it.
It's not becoming scarier, what would be scary is to return to the caveman Era where not only human and weather, but animals are a danger.
And not having modern bathroom, that is scary.
@@carabinapacifista5627 I hardly watch TV. But I do recommend a book "Better Never to Have Been".
@@adamm5107 or Thomas Ligotti's- "Conspiracy against the human race"
Oh, you mean that Euphoria. Thank god.
I guess I'll watch Euphoria now bcs of dr. K.
pls mark as reupload
not 9th
Not fourth
Rise awareness lol
6 15
That's funny: Not even 10 minutes ago, I said that to my mother "I didn't ask to be born".
try not to ever say that again, that will hurt the mother so try to get your point across with other ways
it is not funny
probably this was the most painful thing what has ever come out from your mouth
I can't imagine ever saying something as hurtful as that to my mother.
You should apologize and not make statements like that while you're alive and living a better life than others.
Go to meditation video (here, 10 months ago) and find out (and "what for") you DID decide to be born. Long experience (since very young) trying to leave, therapy, etc...for decades...it's time to realize you/me choose it
True. Here's the issue though, this will only help so much :'D You can have "decided to go to that party" all you want and own that. But that won't do a single thing in regards to "That party turned into a nightmare when the house went up in fire and people started dying left and right".
The decision to get born does nothing in regards to still needing to make a daily decision to stay ;) We cannot mix those things.
It definitely help to own our "being here" instead of shoving around blame for our existenc which does absolutely nothing than dmage to ourselves. But that is the easier part of this problem. To find reasons to stay and to give your "OK" to acknowledging the circumstance under which we work, is an entirely different matter!
If your soul wants to express itself through art, then it can do so in a calm remote village with 2 ppl watching or in a war zone where you eventually use it to send huge messages to all f the world about the things that happen there.
The soul doesn't judge and evaluate things by human terms. Which is why free will exists and opting out is a valid option that we humans have societally robbed ourselves off, when nature has restained that right!! Did you know ants who are hurt decide themselves if they wanna get help with living or dying and surrounding ants help with whatever the choice is?? Fascinating, no? Even more so, when you think how much suffering is created from the power that abusive people gain by trapping their victims between abuse and the notion that not suffering the abuse is no option!! Because what are they to do it people go and remove themselves from their range of power and impact and leave them to themselves aka each others, amongst abusers.
Strangely enough, this may or may not be the source why there's so much suffering and we arentway more careful with each other. Cause "not being careful" doesn't have consequences for us for a very long time eventually. And then we're very surprised and shocked over the loss of people or people loosing it. :'3
Accepting that we are here by own choice is one thing. Assessing if we stay, is yet another. Assessing if the price of staying - regardless of the challenges - is worth the price we can imagine for ourselves, the the thing we often need help with the most. Getting a really realistic result that things are dire and still choosing to give the 0,00001% chance a chance, is what hope and courage are. Not the ignorance of what things are like, but the active decision to still carry on. And that is not for everyone. And we sure sill have lots of room of makig these decisions and assesments easier for people, by giving proof in the here and now how life is full of love, regardless of circumstances. Cause we cannot actually be separated, not even by ourselves. And we can go an acknowledge how much work and effort has and had consistently been applied to us to give us that impression.
One might not ask to be born,
But one is surely asking himself if he/she will take drugs.
It was never 'if'. 'Where'.
Funnily enough that's not as certain as you might think
@@SaladDongs Maybe, but for the largest portion of them it's a choice. It may be an uneducated, impulsive choice, but it's still something they willingly walk into.
@@Leonhart_93 I think people should take agency for their actions sure, but whether them taking acency for their actions is "fair" is sort of muddy, because we'd get into a whole discussion about free will. That's kind of what I meant by that. Point is, don't judge substance abusers, you don't know if they chose their lifestyle, and if they did, how they did it, when, where etc
@@SaladDongs I can only speak from my experiences and every single one of the substance abusers I know (mainly alchool, tobacco, weed) choose their vices, even if some of them regret their choice in present time.
So I will judge them based on their choice. Choice is the only constant truth in this world.
Those that didn't chose their vices by some circumstance I can't imagine also have the choice to make a sacrifice and give them up. The alternatives to this are always much worse.
milk drunk lol
Not first
You were though.
@@KytexEdits this is the first time where someone who denies being first, is in fact, first
Damn. Imposter syndrome amirite?
And definely not the last
@@crackers3978 Exactly
S2 is cringe don't watch it
Nobody asked to be born therefore this statement always seemed so weightless to me, not a valid argument nor rational but hey thats just me
You're correct, but usually the point is the truthfulness of the statement in refutation of an established assumption about the parent-child relationship.
In short, the full thought expressed in the phrase "I never asked to be born", might be something like, "I never asked to be born, so don't pretend that I owe you something in return as my parent".
@@cryingcrane8173 My ex girlfriend used to say this to her parents all the time as in a I'm miserable so its your fault kind of way when in fact her misery was self inflicted and really was just projecting or pointing fingers instead of taking responsibility so
I never quite understood this argument. thanks for the comment!
@@therealfolkblues5535 That seems to be how it's used most times, as a statement on it's own there's nothing wrong it, because would-be parents should think hard and long about what kind of life they'll be providing a child they make and not take it lightly, but as you say more often than not it's people who haven't had any harder of a time than the next person using it as a weapon to inflict guilt on a parent when it's them and their grown ass actions leading them into the shitter.
There are some folks on here who are too blessed to imagine a truly horrible, or the frequency of truly horrible, parents. It's kinda cruel and invalidating.
And you will probably never understand by thinking about it. Because there is no logic in it, only emotional tantrum. It take it at face value that some people think like that.
Reupload?