Guys there is literally no reason for nigma players to leave the team. Their payslip is probably the highest among all other teams since it is arab money
Shaman innate is absurd, it needs to be reworked, it its unfair for the others soft supports, lion is erased, shaman does the same + innate, aeon disk+mov speed+reseting on dead+creating illusions wtf, Im spamming it tho, but feels disgusting how broken a single innate is, like he can't be focused, is an untouchable support with tons of disables, and he just scalates that with force staff, glimmer, blink... Nahh, what did they thought, he was a good support before, but giving strong survival innates breaks the game, and you can see muuuultiple times that single innate changed a clash (gold/exp/game)
@@acejay1 yeah, Disruptor early game is nearly imposible to kill on the safe lane, cause that 400 distance can make him reach his tower if he was caught off guard, and has 4secd cd, plus its on 250 dmg so, it can proc twice or thrice in the same fight, also most offlaners are melee, and suffer reaching him once, doing it multiple times, wasting resources just to kill a support, is annoying
imagine being kuroky, by 2019 you are already considered a legend of Dota, with 4 top 4 finishes in TI, winning once in 2017. But you destroy or heavily damage that legacy in the past 5 years. It's like that quote, you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. just sad
Kuro has team ownership, he is securing his teammates' pay by continuing his team; there is a reason his team stays despite poor results. Miracle alone gains many sponsorship opportunities, and with Sumail it is essentially like RTZ staying on Shopify Rebellion despite being awful in tournaments
everytime i watch nigma match live they seems like playing the landing stage so well even until mid-game, even in some of the game they play are always leading, however the late game or the one time they need to get rosh one of them must be dying in a stupid way either it's miracle or sumail small mistake losing them the game and they still struggling even after they got 20k lead.
Yes the mid to late there was always the same small fkng mistake happening on sumail or miracle , it happened every single time especially when they had a big lead
People saying easiest region should wake up. Nigma beat VP (EEU qualifier) twice and Entity (WEU) once in last ~1 month. Both of those teams qualified unbeaten from your *toughest* regions
I see in this match that Nigma doesn't have a good fight plan with the given draft. No surprise that drafting is hard, but every team has to deal with it. They have good individual players, they good at laning stage, but they fight poorly not becase they're bad. Calling to fight also not that simple. It's a mind game. I'd like to see Nigma in the future with a fresh cavalry. I mean fresh's fresh.
LIGMA AND KURO:ok guys we moved to MENA to get easy ticked to tier 1 tournaments QUEST:wait,hold on are you stupid or what you even cannot beat us in any qualifier😂😂😂
It’s been a long time since I said kuro needs to go home or not do the drafts.Not banning shaman who is the most annoying support in this patch is just low understanding of the game and the patch.That shaman won them 3 games solo.Also in a long time miracle really underperformed this game by being out of position all the time.I mean can’t blame him since I guess most of the calls to not group up or split and farm are captain made and not having your support to save you or babysit you during that period is literally stupid
For people with low understanding of the game, it's easier to say that it's all Kuro's fault ... easy to remember, you don't have to look at miracle dieing solo 10x for no reason :D
@@Dandyphonic uh this patch is beyond ridiculously broken you can't really even consider these games real for a while until the balance changes come out
When the support sucks to it. Then this carry goes on to another team and dominate in that team. Then who's fault is that. We already seen standin miracle, gh, Sumail and even MC. So, who are we gonna talk about. Ofc we directly point to Kuro. Kuro is washed guys.
@@kormankongther8609 Miracle, Gh and sumail are pretty average when they are stand in for another team... The one who showed any success was only mc lmfao.
Its so sad that Miracle become bad day by day because of playing in this team. And if he stays, thats the worst way to retire his carrer from pro scene.
I rooted for Nigma and I was not disappointed by these games. Yes, they lost, but they showed a good game against a very strong team. Miracle pudge surviving on 1 hp and continuing the fight and then the storm, brambles, wall combo. It was a beautiful series.
If kuro dont want to step down , miracle sumail gh need to leave . You cant go further with kuro as captain , he’s done . We can agree he is great once upon a time but not anymore he should notice that nigma lost every single tour and cant even qualify any tour . They have best player that have amazing talent its such a waste to see miracle gh sumail in this team , they keep kicking the wrong player while the problem is kuro
kuro has a bad mentality, been saying this for so long, he tilts his team, he makes them nervous to play and try plays, he almost always focus on the wrong thing, he got a little bit better those past 5 years in this department, but still if he's not the top mechanically, and he's not a good captain, than what's his purpouse? NoTail is by far not the best player, but his mentality and "babysitter" of everyones mental fortitude helps everyone, and he's also a working hard genius who always come up and discover new stuff
can't feel bad for any of these guys. they WANT to play under kuro. in my eyes, miracle is the best to ever play this game, but he's in this situation basically because he refuses to change. they all could just disband and try something else for once. it's their choice, wcyd.
Nigma losing in this region? What has Nigma become??? Sumail and Miracle doesnt compliment each other. Matu & Wee was the best for Miracle. Sumail.. Eh... Should go with Puppey or Arteezy. Gh is good in my eyes. Kuro and Fbz..... No remarks. All the best for Nigma. They should just disband. Thats the only option left
@@fahrulsetyoko9800correct. Plus Quest isn't a weak team. They have had a terrible couple of seasons, but they were top 3 major when pro dota was definately at a very high level.
@@fahrulsetyoko9800 I think they meant that since Falcons no longer have to go through qualifiers, Quest is the gatekeeper of the region, but they didn't perform well for the last few tournaments, so the region was pretty weak overall without Falcons.
for me nigma have a skill that does not lose to tier 1 team, I think its even better. it's just their shotcalling was really bad, like throw mode bad. They keep winning/ even from early to mid game, until 1 or 2 bad stupid fights then they lose the game because of their own unneeded aggresive-ness.. They don't have the composure that tier 1 team has. I don't know who makes the call in game, I don't believe its FBZ nor sumail, This "always go go go" mentality is not working in this bigger map dota , there are so much to farm on on big map like this. They just sticking as 5 , getting outfarmed and lose the game by its own.
the problem is vision, warding, and momentum of fight, after win early game, than keep farm until opponent fat than them, i have no idea, what their plan of this, because nigma cant catch them, because of vision. like quest know what their next move even though they lose in early game, so no need worry, just hide and farm, stupid kuro will not know how they farm.
Nice to word it like that, yeah they look like they lose by their own doing. The even had 20k lead against mouz in other game, a single mistake by sumail and the table flipped
Im jist curious why miracle vs is not buying bf to speedup the farm bcoz he is a carry. You can see miracle vs farm is so behind in the game and it took him so long to show up in the game.
lol nigma, secret not going to riyadh...Mostly both teams not going to TI as well, tundra, og, entity, mouz, psg quest fighting for 2 ti slots...a brutal blood bath in ti western qualifier
What's the problem with nigma? Got Sumail+miracle+gh still can't win. Aren't these three are among the best players? Is kuro the problem? Are old school captains ruining teams with old school play style? Same as TSecret puppy. It's weird.
@@joketer34sure puppey is still better than kuro. If gh, Miracle and Sumail are in the same team as in secret. They can reach TI, as long their captain isn't kuro. Then puppey can finally win TI since his 2011 for such a long time, damn.
@@Da_W1ckmost of these games now are heavy reliant on drafts than plays. Not the era that it used to. Last game they shouldve go for PL carry and they cant do anything about it. PL timber. But the bros choose sven which is heavy reliant on GS.
Well he's been playing for how many teams now? Feels like his "prime" is long gone ... He hasn't had success with a team for years, even when playing with decent players (OG back then)
Kuro and Puppey should join forces for one last ride , both guys cant qualify to anything They should combine the best of their 2 teams miracle kordan fbz kuro puppey
@@nnk9305 which game was that? he probably had a lot of support rotations or the enemy was bad. venge is too soft to be a core, gets popped so easily and ignored after reincarnated
Nigma vs Secret airport major grand finals BO5
Grand prize: window seat
Wtf😂😂
Ha! Not a bad idea, lol.
lmao
have to win at all cost then
no need for spoiler blocks lads, it's nigma, it's obvious they lost
😂
That and no "Impressive game" "Incredible game" in the title
Knew this before playing the video skipped all the way to last 2 mins got my answer 😂
You’re right😂😂😂
Just to make sure you got to watch it or not 😂
Shamman literally won all 3 games for quest :D What a chicken. Undying
chickens are the most poweful beings valve has conceived
Give me an update when kuro retired. I will start watch nigma again.
I ain't cheering for Nigma until they get rid of Kuro. 37:20 what a disgrace of the dota pro scene..
Bru jump into the middle or enemies thinking he's Axe.
Blud wanted his own Ceeeeeeb voiceline and forgot he's not playing Axe.
Damn it's hard to be a NIGMA fanboy. There were only 4 in MENA qualifiers and still can't qualify.
cluster what? 17:09
Fun fact NIGMA has replaced every position EXCEPT 1 ever since their streak of not qualifying for TI. Can you guess who or what that position is? 😂😂😂
the useless pos 5
Do you still rmb ATF was in Nigma once, he play pos 1 🤣🤣
*I came here to see nigma lose in extended version*
3:28 AYAM GORENG
wkwkwkwk kok bisa ngomong ayam goreng sih 😂
@@odyspoetra makanan indo dah banyak yang go internasional bro wkwk
@@issac7787 Cry about it
Guys there is literally no reason for nigma players to leave the team. Their payslip is probably the highest among all other teams since it is arab money
If the salary topped the ti prize then it negotiable
Ngx draft never change since ages
Chen
Kuroky best captain ever 😂
@@kennethaizn1763 We believe in kuroky
Holy moly.. lost touch with DotA for the last one year because of Job life.. and I see Miracle and Sumail in one team 😲😲😮😮.. that's gangster shit
They are now a laughing stock.
@@leafyriley2336 maybe...but those two are on the same team
someone tell me the first game is not draft issue
Nigma drafts opposite of the meta every patch😂
Shaman innate is absurd, it needs to be reworked, it its unfair for the others soft supports, lion is erased, shaman does the same + innate, aeon disk+mov speed+reseting on dead+creating illusions wtf, Im spamming it tho, but feels disgusting how broken a single innate is, like he can't be focused, is an untouchable support with tons of disables, and he just scalates that with force staff, glimmer, blink... Nahh, what did they thought, he was a good support before, but giving strong survival innates breaks the game, and you can see muuuultiple times that single innate changed a clash (gold/exp/game)
G1 refraction barrier, disruptor and SS passives just snowballed the game so many fights where thos 3 shouldve died but get away on 1HP
@@acejay1 yeah, Disruptor early game is nearly imposible to kill on the safe lane, cause that 400 distance can make him reach his tower if he was caught off guard, and has 4secd cd, plus its on 250 dmg so, it can proc twice or thrice in the same fight, also most offlaners are melee, and suffer reaching him once, doing it multiple times, wasting resources just to kill a support, is annoying
fan of miracle, but he killed his talent sticking on kuroky for friendship
Even MC can't handle the ego kuro has, and that's why he left the team
Hope Miracle and GH wake up and finally join a better team. Also sumail
imagine being kuroky, by 2019 you are already considered a legend of Dota, with 4 top 4 finishes in TI, winning once in 2017. But you destroy or heavily damage that legacy in the past 5 years. It's like that quote, you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. just sad
Kuro has team ownership, he is securing his teammates' pay by continuing his team; there is a reason his team stays despite poor results. Miracle alone gains many sponsorship opportunities, and with Sumail it is essentially like RTZ staying on Shopify Rebellion despite being awful in tournaments
@kpop4327 Sumail and gh have been their best players
this kuro didnt see that FBZ dark seer is as good as creep. again he picked dark seer on game 4 after losing so bad at game 1
No Rtz..no puppey..now no miracle lol..
New era of dota is began..
no rtz??
It began long time ago brother.
internet explorer user
Imo, the new era has begun since Team spirit win ti10 😂
No more Liquid OG Secret old roster
everytime i watch nigma match live they seems like playing the landing stage so well even until mid-game, even in some of the game they play are always leading, however the late game or the one time they need to get rosh one of them must be dying in a stupid way either it's miracle or sumail small mistake losing them the game and they still struggling even after they got 20k lead.
Yes the mid to late there was always the same small fkng mistake happening on sumail or miracle , it happened every single time especially when they had a big lead
People saying easiest region should wake up. Nigma beat VP (EEU qualifier) twice and Entity (WEU) once in last ~1 month. Both of those teams qualified unbeaten from your *toughest* regions
Where is Secret v Mouz? Can’t wait to see highlight of my papa Puppey’s team stomping an unknown team
Getting pudge carry against clockwerk is archon picks
What’s the prize money?
Maybe google know?
I see in this match that Nigma doesn't have a good fight plan with the given draft. No surprise that drafting is hard, but every team has to deal with it. They have good individual players, they good at laning stage, but they fight poorly not becase they're bad. Calling to fight also not that simple. It's a mind game. I'd like to see Nigma in the future with a fresh cavalry. I mean fresh's fresh.
It's because coach and pos 5 , nigma draft oke nigma individual oke but they need captains in team and I think the weakest in his team is kuroky
miracle + gh in same lane. Sure win
They all need to retire and coach the new all brand players
is NGX out for TI already?
Not yet but they will be
But they're definetly out in Riyadh
Always a good day every time I see Nigma fans cry 😀
title is very fitting. 'The final quest for Nigma'
there is huge problem on nigma's mid game. they always got picked up and then suddenly lose after that
Cooked-over-coocked!
Ayam goreng 🐔🔥 3:30
Thank you Miracul and Su Mai Li
Nigma will blame FBz to save kuro from changing player
Nigma had like the easiest region and still lost ..... damn
Washed up for sure
Also NA
How bout SEA?
@@WileymintAurora can wash Any of these teams
LIGMA AND KURO:ok guys we moved to MENA to get easy ticked to tier 1 tournaments
QUEST:wait,hold on are you stupid or what you even cannot beat us in any qualifier😂😂😂
AYAM GORENG 3:28 HE'S GONE ?
Wkwkwkw😂
why ayam goreng
It’s been a long time since I said kuro needs to go home or not do the drafts.Not banning shaman who is the most annoying support in this patch is just low understanding of the game and the patch.That shaman won them 3 games solo.Also in a long time miracle really underperformed this game by being out of position all the time.I mean can’t blame him since I guess most of the calls to not group up or split and farm are captain made and not having your support to save you or babysit you during that period is literally stupid
3:30 ayam goreng?? 😆
Make that fucking aghanim scepter for fucking sven....this all you need ..movment ability
Let's kuroky retire first after nigma will back to TI again
3:30 ayam goreng 😂😂😂
I laughed so hard at this, funny af hahhaahh
Everyone blaming Kuro, yet the whole team is playing like trash. Miracle isn't the old player he used to be. Just get used to it.
For people with low understanding of the game, it's easier to say that it's all Kuro's fault ... easy to remember, you don't have to look at miracle dieing solo 10x for no reason :D
@@Dandyphonic uh this patch is beyond ridiculously broken you can't really even consider these games real for a while until the balance changes come out
What do you expect, bro?
They are nigma fans even when miraclul died 100 times.. They will blame kuro
When the support sucks to it. Then this carry goes on to another team and dominate in that team. Then who's fault is that. We already seen standin miracle, gh, Sumail and even MC. So, who are we gonna talk about. Ofc we directly point to Kuro. Kuro is washed guys.
@@kormankongther8609 Miracle, Gh and sumail are pretty average when they are stand in for another team... The one who showed any success was only mc lmfao.
At 3:33 did he said “ayam goreng”? Lol 😂
3:29 Ayam Goreng 😂
Its so sad that Miracle become bad day by day because of playing in this team. And if he stays, thats the worst way to retire his carrer from pro scene.
I rooted for Nigma and I was not disappointed by these games.
Yes, they lost, but they showed a good game against a very strong team.
Miracle pudge surviving on 1 hp and continuing the fight and then the storm, brambles, wall combo.
It was a beautiful series.
Agreed! Nigma has been underperforming since the longest but not here
Nigma is over...putting together big names and pretending to be a good team means nothing ... They are just burned out and they should take a break.
What a surprise! They werent threatened by Miracle's venge carry 😮
Hahaha literally just walked away from him in 2nd game 🤣
Carry WD is OP!!! What a Miracle...
Miracle should leave kuro, its bad for him to be around with people like this, Nigma is over accept it, accept the reality kuro cant win anymore.
If kuro dont want to step down , miracle sumail gh need to leave . You cant go further with kuro as captain , he’s done . We can agree he is great once upon a time but not anymore he should notice that nigma lost every single tour and cant even qualify any tour . They have best player that have amazing talent its such a waste to see miracle gh sumail in this team , they keep kicking the wrong player while the problem is kuro
kuro has a bad mentality, been saying this for so long, he tilts his team, he makes them nervous to play and try plays, he almost always focus on the wrong thing, he got a little bit better those past 5 years in this department, but still if he's not the top mechanically, and he's not a good captain, than what's his purpouse? NoTail is by far not the best player, but his mentality and "babysitter" of everyones mental fortitude helps everyone, and he's also a working hard genius who always come up and discover new stuff
I don't know why kuro love Dark seer soooo much
Nigma loves awkward roshan takes and always lose fight there. Its almost a signature and you just know they're gonna lose the fight there.
I heard “ayam goreng (fried chicken in Malay) he is gone 😂
Nigma just a stepping stone for all the team to move further. Thanks Nigma 🫡
How did thy lose 5v3 thr at the last fight so bad yo
game 4 should be pudge too for jugg maybe
nigma is back...
to not being qualified
Ayam goreng is gone 😂
Welcome back,
Miracle.
Damn Kuroky, all he did was run and die. No impact at all. He should retire, what is his current mmr btw?
can't feel bad for any of these guys. they WANT to play under kuro. in my eyes, miracle is the best to ever play this game, but he's in this situation basically because he refuses to change. they all could just disband and try something else for once. it's their choice, wcyd.
look at mc.. he is doing great! oh wait he just signed up with SR lol
@@urekmazino5125at least bulba is coach now. Not a player like Kuroky anymore lol
@@nrp9840 doesnt matter if he is a coach his coaching sucks too. no brainless coach would pick mid storm 5 straight times
Lmao W comments here 🤣
so the whole team they used to be TI winners?
Kuro the only crusader player playing with all pros
why always mentioning CLUSTER CLUCK when it is FOWL PLAY?
no, it's ayam goreng
Nigma losing in this region? What has Nigma become??? Sumail and Miracle doesnt compliment each other. Matu & Wee was the best for Miracle. Sumail.. Eh... Should go with Puppey or Arteezy. Gh is good in my eyes. Kuro and Fbz..... No remarks. All the best for Nigma. They should just disband. Thats the only option left
Sumail is not good for anyone as long as he plays for money not ambition or any real motivation
what wrong with mena region, we have falcon in this region and falcon almost win all the tournamen before and falcon from this mena region???
@@fahrulsetyoko9800correct. Plus Quest isn't a weak team. They have had a terrible couple of seasons, but they were top 3 major when pro dota was definately at a very high level.
@@fahrulsetyoko9800 I think they meant that since Falcons no longer have to go through qualifiers, Quest is the gatekeeper of the region, but they didn't perform well for the last few tournaments, so the region was pretty weak overall without Falcons.
Quest had 3 players in the top 10 EU just last week I think,
if Kuro will not retire, at least miricale should leave the team
probably some stand-ins for major or even TI since the team f'ed up in qualifiers
Damn, so fast bro. Too damn sad for miracle and sumail 🙃
Haven't watched dota for like 3 years and nigma is still trash. Kuro just cant accept the fact that he is done.
AYAM GORENG?????
ikr, i was like what LOL
kuroky please retire dude u are not NOtail , that man has wasted 4 ppls skills , pure greediness
One Day.... Kuroky will retire...
for me nigma have a skill that does not lose to tier 1 team, I think its even better. it's just their shotcalling was really bad, like throw mode bad. They keep winning/ even from early to mid game, until 1 or 2 bad stupid fights then they lose the game because of their own unneeded aggresive-ness.. They don't have the composure that tier 1 team has.
I don't know who makes the call in game, I don't believe its FBZ nor sumail, This "always go go go" mentality is not working in this bigger map dota , there are so much to farm on on big map like this. They just sticking as 5 , getting outfarmed and lose the game by its own.
Such a strong team but it feels like they do not read the patch note 😂
the problem is vision, warding, and momentum of fight, after win early game, than keep farm until opponent fat than them, i have no idea, what their plan of this, because nigma cant catch them, because of vision. like quest know what their next move even though they lose in early game, so no need worry, just hide and farm, stupid kuro will not know how they farm.
Nice to word it like that, yeah they look like they lose by their own doing. The even had 20k lead against mouz in other game, a single mistake by sumail and the table flipped
bruh no lotus orb against shaman ?
I can't believe how bad miracle, Sumail 1 vs 9
guys, let the game go to hell, just watch kuroky gameplays.. XD that's the most hilarious shit you'll see !! kuroky crumbles like a cookie
AYAM GORENG IS GONE
nigma unlock new phobia : Chicken
So, no ti for nigma this year again? 🤡🤡🤡
Im jist curious why miracle vs is not buying bf to speedup the farm bcoz he is a carry. You can see miracle vs farm is so behind in the game and it took him so long to show up in the game.
Bf or maelstrom would do then aghs after instead of goin lance early
3.31 was our moment 🇮🇩
lol nigma, secret not going to riyadh...Mostly both teams not going to TI as well, tundra, og, entity, mouz, psg quest fighting for 2 ti slots...a brutal blood bath in ti western qualifier
I'm a Nigma hater and I despise this Miracle dude but for the last couple of years I'm just really sad for them bro.
i heard ayam goreng? 3:29
Mee too! T-T
Why nigma always being outdrafted
Thats what happens when the drafter doesn't play Dota..... Kuro only plays tournaments, no pubs.....
What's the problem with nigma? Got Sumail+miracle+gh still can't win. Aren't these three are among the best players? Is kuro the problem? Are old school captains ruining teams with old school play style? Same as TSecret puppy. It's weird.
they're past their prime, they need to retire or join another team separately
@@igxrruaof Yeah, looks like it.
Put on sumail and miracle on secret, I'm sure they'll dominate. Puppey is still relevant-kuro however 😂😂😂
@@joketer34sure puppey is still better than kuro. If gh, Miracle and Sumail are in the same team as in secret. They can reach TI, as long their captain isn't kuro. Then puppey can finally win TI since his 2011 for such a long time, damn.
@@Da_W1ckmost of these games now are heavy reliant on drafts than plays. Not the era that it used to. Last game they shouldve go for PL carry and they cant do anything about it. PL timber. But the bros choose sven which is heavy reliant on GS.
No epic game title mean nigma lost
my jaw droped when he say ayam goreng,lmaooo
Iyaa anying kaget wkwkwk
Feels so fking bad for SumaiL. He is playing his heart out. What a waste of talent.
Well he's been playing for how many teams now? Feels like his "prime" is long gone ... He hasn't had success with a team for years, even when playing with decent players (OG back then)
@@Dandyphonic he did have a good run with Aster, right?
@@SagarHingalHe still have his prime. As long as kuro are not there. He still has it in him.
Yeah, given the right draft and a team, he can still smoke people.
@@SagarHingal yeah he didn't qualify
"AYAM GORENG AND HES GONE" 😂
Retirement was the key a long time ago.
Is he just say "ayam goreng"? 😂😂
HAHAH YES
Kuro and Puppey should join forces for one last ride , both guys cant qualify to anything
They should combine the best of their 2 teams
miracle
kordan
fbz
kuro
puppey
gh over kuro every day of the week
kuro and puppey wouldnt be the best of their 2 teams
@@wheelcalls true lol ,but i had to keep them because its their teams
The problem here is wee. Oops! its year 2024 🤣🤣. Now kuroky absorbing all the hate 🤣
the thing is, they are making terrible picks....
well, I guess Venge carry only work against Bots. lmao
everyone always blaming kuro but he wasn't even feeding these games, idk who had the idea of venge core its hilarious, its like topson dazzle mid
@@unprovoked99But why Topson's Venge-Mid worked out?
@@nnk9305 which game was that? he probably had a lot of support rotations or the enemy was bad. venge is too soft to be a core, gets popped so easily and ignored after reincarnated
Sumail play like shit. He was owning at aster now getting his ass kick always
NIGMA IS BACK!!!
Great games
26:02 no!ob like we killed miracle lets get them now 😂