great stuff buddy.love these planes.never flew one unfortuanately.this weather is great aint it lol.our group has been loving it lately.able to take them all out more now its summer hollidays.some are very advanced at the muinet.so good to see that i can change and hopefully help these kids.without your guys help it would be more difficult so thankyou very much friend.
Really, really interesting, Lee! 😃 Thanks for all the tips! The only problem is that I don't know anyone that does videos about the R9 module and receivers... Crossfire is really expensive for me. 😕
Last night, I did these steps exactly as you show, no telemetry but had SBUS control. Woke up this morning, turned it all on to play with it, now nothing works.
I have installed a Matek buzzer using 3 of the 5 pins (5v, G, B-). I did have to rewire a servo connector to match the strange order on the buzzer board. I have yet to hear anything interesting except a single beep on power up. Where are the variety of chirps like the Pixhawk emits?
Using the matek buzzer doesn't seem to work as well as a regular bugger on the omnibus. The beeps and trilling are not as consistent. Maybe a future code tweak will improve that..
Hey. I don't understand anything in English, only through an interpreter. Can't connect TBS CROSSFIRE NANO RX to Matek F405-Wing. Do we solder CH2 to TX? Do we solder CH1 to SBS? Thank you
HELLO from Oregon .. just got a Mini Pix and was looking for some ideas for Fixed Wing platforms... looks like we still run the same gear Matek, Runcam, TBS .... TARANIS : ) ....... CHEERS !!!!
Followed your instructions. I feel like either the mission planner is slightly different or steps were glossed over. I can’t get my elevons to work through the software and I can’t, for the life of me, figure out how to arm this thing.
Don't forget you can check the Arduplane Wiki if you want more detail. My Arduplane build with an Omnibus also covers the whole thing. All the other sources of information are linked to in this series.... Best of luck
This video have made me buy one of those ARWings 900 back in 2020. Have you ever flew it? What's your thoughts on the flying characteristics on the wing when loaded? Have build similar setup with ARWing 900, but with 6Ah LiIon and GoPro 7 and it's on the heavy side 1.06kg. It's my most flown plane, it flies well and it's somewhat efficient and capable but it's not easy to feel. It's a bit unpredictable, especially in the moderate to high winds. I fly it because of the size, capabilities and toughness. Solid allrounder! Cheers! PS: Can check some shots with it on my channel.
Yep, you can but be aware that you cannot use smartaudio from the flight controller to set power and channels.. you can get the TBS reciever to do that for you via Smartaudio though.. video showing how coming soon!
If it supports one of the normal protocols for config (SmartAudio or TRAMP for example) and you have something in the model that can talk the same protocol then yes. Normally that is done by the flight controller but at the moment Arduplane doesn't so I had to use one of the cool features of the Crossfire system to make it work. I don't think that the R9M can do that..
I saw that you connected your Crossfire Nano to the F405 via SBUS. I'm using the F405WING, flashed with ArduRover, and I'm using the same Nano and GPS Module. With ArduPilot, can I solder the Nano to a spare UART or is SBUS the only available way to connect the Nano to the F405?
@@Painless360 I've done some checking around and it seems that SBUS is still the way to connect Crossfire to the F405 on my Rover. However, the rest of your Ardupilot/Crossfire/F405WING videos have been a great help. Some things are different, because I'm using ArduRover, but a lot of it is the same and it been incredibly helpful. Thank you so much for all you do!!!
I see you're also holding the items you're working on with that modelling clay type stuff. I was so far unable to find that stuff in the EU, may I ask which specifically you use?
It's the same stuff you use to hold up posters and art on walls. In the UK it's called BluTac but its available globally. Great for quick jobs like this.. happy flying!
I'm planning to learn a flight controller in next 5-6 months. Unfortunately I'm not a good solder person so in my previous drone build I spent months fixing issues from bad solders and less learning on the flight controller part. Among Matek and Pixhawk which one is a good plug and play type with minimal or zero solder?
I'm with Dragonlink for RC and Mavlink telemetry and it's working perfectly with substantial range, plus you're saving one RF band and one more device to carry.
Wondering if you could advise on a FPV orientated plan that can handle reasonable wind? I watched some of your videos on the ZOHD products but they are all on the small size. Where I live 10mph is a very calm day and quite rare - 15-20mph is more the norm. I have an AXN with FPV, which is a bit of a handful at anything much over 10mph. I want to do a Arduplane build with FPV, but would like to be able to fly it more regularly.
You'll need something with a little more power that will not get pushed by the wind as much. The AXN is a lovely floater but because of its size and relative low power it's not ideal for higher wind days unless you are prepared to work it. Things like the ZOHDRebelGT and ZOHDDartXL have lots of power. Smaller wings like the AR Mini wing or an upgraded motor and prop on an AR Wing would work too. Look at adding a compass and airspeed sensor if you are flying in higher winds to help the FC cope. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 ha yes, I work at it alright. I guess some people enjoy the challenge of being blown about all over the place, I am not so keen - sadly I have got used to it. I was originally thinking of a Dart/Talon but feared they would also be poor in wind. If you think they would be OK I might take the plunge
I know this is quite old, but I am using it as a basis for my first ever build. I am curious why the camera is wired directly to the flight controller and not to the vtx? I had planned on wiring directly to the vtx assuming the power would be cleaner?
The F405 has a cracking voltage regulator for the VTX and camera. Check out the specs.. Happy flying! P. S. it's not that old, some of the series on this channel date back over 6 years ago ;)
@@Painless360 Thanks so much for the reply. I am guessing how it's wired doesn't affect what can be displayed for OSD stuff? Everything is new to me. Your videos have been great!
is there a way to rotate the osd by 90 degrees? i have a wild idea of using two 4:3 camera-vtx-monitor side by side to make a big 6:4 screen. That could give me a bit of a "HD" fpv experience
Not that the know of. Until we stop using old tech for OSDs and start using software to generate them we're stuck with very limited text based solutions (unlessyou are Vector or BrainFPV - see my videos on them)
Can you please do a video using a crossfire nano or micro and he adapter board for simple pwm as there is no information on it!? Radio output details would be great thanks!
@@Painless360 I think I got it now, going from a quad setup the tx settings on the xfire micro output 1,2 are CRF tx and Rx.....think I just have to change this back to default of ch1, ch2 :)
hi, i'm having the following problem on my Ar Wing 900.when i push on the accelerator the model tends to go up and to keep it on axis i have to compensate by lowering the tip therefore losing in performance.what can i do to solve? i don't think it's enough to work only on inav ..... maybe I have to tilt the motor base? if yes, how many degrees do you recommend? I'm using 2 setups: aira 2508 (1200kv) with prop 8x5 and 2812 (900kv) with prop 9x5. advice that you can kindly give me
@@Painless360 thanks a lot. Can you link me your video tutorial about this argument? You have so many videos on your channel....amazing .thanks for your help
All of my videos are carefully organised into playlists and every video has a number of text tags on them to make them easy to find if you use a search. This video should help and explains a few tips for finding the video or playlist you're looking for - ua-cam.com/video/CIuUNdVfBJQ/v-deo.html or ua-cam.com/video/P4soR6QgOk0/v-deo.html.
So if you use a fc like f405 wing with the crsf micro/nano. You can control a 7 channel jet? Just confused about the 4 outputs and how many channels crsf can support for servos
See my Crossfire series. You can set one of the outputs from the Nano to send SBUS or setup two for CRSF (see my BrainDart build) then you can send up to 16 channels... Happy flying!
Still a beginner with electronics so apologies in advance. Can someone tell me why need both ground wires on the TBS unify wired up and the same goes for the nano rx. Shouldn't just having one ground be enough for either? Thanks!
It should be but you can get interference without a strong reference for signal wires. The inside of these models are usually tight and have some huge currents flowing with large amplitude voltages spiking about. It is easy for these to create problems with poorly grounded systems. You can try it with just one and you may be ok, but if not then solid GND wires all going back to one place ideally will usually fix it.
I have to repair a copter of a friend... it is a 12" copter running still on a mutli wii fc... but I am not familliar with it... so I would like to upgrade it to a f4 or a f7... the idea is to install a gps and some goodies... which FC would you recommend? budget is around 50$...
@@Painless360 it did help, but I do not know which exact one I should use... I would love a f7 around 50$... but I dont know whats important... dual gyro? barometer? idk... could you help me?
The best place for a wiring diagram is the Matek website - www.mateksys.com/?portfolio=f405-wing#tab-id-3 - I also setup something similar in this video - ua-cam.com/video/9ZmGUxCDiU0/v-deo.html - I hope those links help.
@@Painless360 Thanks for answer and link. I did manage to connect F405-wse and CRAF only using 4.1.0beta8, on stable 4.0.9 not work for me. Do you know to which version of ArduPilot that link refer to?
I’m wondering how to wire a crossfire properly to the 405wing board so I get telemetry back to my transmitter. The diagram is showing an sbus setup with smart port. I am using neither. I wired it to Uart 2 and used the rx2 and tx2 pins. It works but no telemetry back to the crossfire
It's something I'm playing with at the moment and there isn't a lot of support about it so it's a little trial and error. If you get it working, please let me know..
That's right - control via MAVlink is possible but there are limitations on range as the MAVLink part of Crossfire wasn't kept up as the various radio profiles changed.. See my TBS Crossfire series..
Hi Lee, can you please let me know how to do ESC calibration with this board and Ardupilot flashed on it? I found your series and I'm trying to build the same, with the F405 Wing and Ardupilot 3.9.11, which is the latest stable build for this FC. I found instructions that say that you turn radio on, throttle up and then plug in, unplug and then plug in again, but the ESC is not going into calibration mode. Any help is appreciated
I would calibrate from the RX directly.. I tend to adjust the low throttle value in Arduplane so that its just below where the motor will want to twitch..
Please, I need some help. I cannot get my esc to initialize. I've tried everything I can think of. New FC, re-flash, different esc, etc etc etc. I will force arm but still wont initialize. I get throttle inputs but no esc initialize. I got it to arm once by using a different channel but it was full throttle only. I suspect it is some parameter I haven't thought of. PLEASE help, I'm losing it!
I wish that there was a mega like button because this video was exactly what I was looking for. :)
Day by day you are going to younger! nice hair style mate :D I’m your big fan from Korea.
great stuff buddy.love these planes.never flew one unfortuanately.this weather is great aint it lol.our group has been loving it lately.able to take them all out more now its summer hollidays.some are very advanced at the muinet.so good to see that i can change and hopefully help these kids.without your guys help it would be more difficult so thankyou very much friend.
Really, really interesting, Lee! 😃
Thanks for all the tips!
The only problem is that I don't know anyone that does videos about the R9 module and receivers... Crossfire is really expensive for me. 😕
See Currykitten for R9 videos. I'm not a fan of it myself..
:) Searched for subject and ended, yet again, here. :)
Last night, I did these steps exactly as you show, no telemetry but had SBUS control. Woke up this morning, turned it all on to play with it, now nothing works.
Oh no! I hope you find what changed... Best of luck
Lee, about the buzzer... Is it because of the FC or because of the ArduPlane? What about a ViFly finder, would it work?
It's the pinouts on the FC from what I can see. A Vifly finder should work well too..
I have installed a Matek buzzer using 3 of the 5 pins (5v, G, B-). I did have to rewire a servo connector to match the strange order on the buzzer board.
I have yet to hear anything interesting except a single beep on power up. Where are the variety of chirps like the Pixhawk emits?
Using the matek buzzer doesn't seem to work as well as a regular bugger on the omnibus. The beeps and trilling are not as consistent. Maybe a future code tweak will improve that..
@@Painless360 😮
Painless360 Don’t you just hate autocorrect!! Made me laugh though! 🤣 Great series, thanks again Lee.
Lee, Have you tried any telemetry on this FC? Wiring diagram shows BlueTooth, I am guessing you can wire up 400 or 900 telemetry Tx.
You could, and use MAVLink to the telemetry radio at 57,600 baud..
Painless360 thanks
Hey. I don't understand anything in English, only through an interpreter. Can't connect TBS CROSSFIRE NANO RX to Matek F405-Wing. Do we solder CH2 to TX? Do we solder CH1 to SBS? Thank you
Great content again Lee! Do you have a video on how you’re mounting your crossfire antennas to planes?
HELLO from Oregon .. just got a Mini Pix and was looking for some ideas for Fixed Wing platforms... looks like we still run the same gear Matek, Runcam, TBS .... TARANIS : ) ....... CHEERS !!!!
Can you use this in a 4 Ch. park flyer? If so.... I am looking for a way to get my VFAS lipo warning to my x9d+?
Followed your instructions. I feel like either the mission planner is slightly different or steps were glossed over. I can’t get my elevons to work through the software and I can’t, for the life of me, figure out how to arm this thing.
Don't forget you can check the Arduplane Wiki if you want more detail. My Arduplane build with an Omnibus also covers the whole thing. All the other sources of information are linked to in this series.... Best of luck
This video have made me buy one of those ARWings 900 back in 2020.
Have you ever flew it? What's your thoughts on the flying characteristics on the wing when loaded?
Have build similar setup with ARWing 900, but with 6Ah LiIon and GoPro 7 and it's on the heavy side 1.06kg. It's my most flown plane, it flies well and it's somewhat efficient and capable but it's not easy to feel. It's a bit unpredictable, especially in the moderate to high winds.
I fly it because of the size, capabilities and toughness.
Solid allrounder!
Cheers!
PS: Can check some shots with it on my channel.
It is a decent model but the ARWing Pro is better IMHO. Happy flying!
Awesome build video and great detail 👍. Can someone use the Akk ultimate or fx2-dominator vtx.
Yep, you can but be aware that you cannot use smartaudio from the flight controller to set power and channels.. you can get the TBS reciever to do that for you via Smartaudio though.. video showing how coming soon!
Also could you please consider showing us how you connect the GPS tracker module in there
Which one?
@@Painless360 Arkbird fpv auto antenna tracker.
@@Painless360 MFD antenna tracker.
I want to use a sn-aat and i need to connect a mavlink radio to it how can i do it . Do you have a video .
I'm wondering if I can change settings on my furious fpv 2.4 vtx whilst using the taranis and r9m and frsky's micro rx. Love this series. So awesome
If it supports one of the normal protocols for config (SmartAudio or TRAMP for example) and you have something in the model that can talk the same protocol then yes. Normally that is done by the flight controller but at the moment Arduplane doesn't so I had to use one of the cool features of the Crossfire system to make it work. I don't think that the R9M can do that..
@@Painless360 awesome thanks! was going to ask you which you like better ardu or Nav?
I saw that you connected your Crossfire Nano to the F405 via SBUS. I'm using the F405WING, flashed with ArduRover, and I'm using the same Nano and GPS Module. With ArduPilot, can I solder the Nano to a spare UART or is SBUS the only available way to connect the Nano to the F405?
Check the latest documentation but when I was building this things like CRSF were not supported... best of luck!
@@Painless360 Thank you!
@@Painless360 I've done some checking around and it seems that SBUS is still the way to connect Crossfire to the F405 on my Rover. However, the rest of your Ardupilot/Crossfire/F405WING videos have been a great help. Some things are different, because I'm using ArduRover, but a lot of it is the same and it been incredibly helpful. Thank you so much for all you do!!!
I see you're also holding the items you're working on with that modelling clay type stuff. I was so far unable to find that stuff in the EU, may I ask which specifically you use?
It's the same stuff you use to hold up posters and art on walls. In the UK it's called BluTac but its available globally. Great for quick jobs like this.. happy flying!
I'm planning to learn a flight controller in next 5-6 months.
Unfortunately I'm not a good solder person so in my previous drone build I spent months fixing issues from bad solders and less learning on the flight controller part.
Among Matek and Pixhawk which one is a good plug and play type with minimal or zero solder?
Pixhawk is big and uses plugs, mateks are great but you have to have basic soldering skills.
What options for telemetry are available for the F405wing using mission planner ? Like the sik radios used for pixhawk and apm?
Same as with a PixHawk - telemetry radios etc..
I'm with Dragonlink for RC and Mavlink telemetry and it's working perfectly with substantial range, plus you're saving one RF band and one more device to carry.
Wondering if you could advise on a FPV orientated plan that can handle reasonable wind? I watched some of your videos on the ZOHD products but they are all on the small size. Where I live 10mph is a very calm day and quite rare - 15-20mph is more the norm. I have an AXN with FPV, which is a bit of a handful at anything much over 10mph. I want to do a Arduplane build with FPV, but would like to be able to fly it more regularly.
You'll need something with a little more power that will not get pushed by the wind as much. The AXN is a lovely floater but because of its size and relative low power it's not ideal for higher wind days unless you are prepared to work it. Things like the ZOHDRebelGT and ZOHDDartXL have lots of power. Smaller wings like the AR Mini wing or an upgraded motor and prop on an AR Wing would work too. Look at adding a compass and airspeed sensor if you are flying in higher winds to help the FC cope. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 ha yes, I work at it alright. I guess some people enjoy the challenge of being blown about all over the place, I am not so keen - sadly I have got used to it. I was originally thinking of a Dart/Talon but feared they would also be poor in wind. If you think they would be OK I might take the plunge
I know this is quite old, but I am using it as a basis for my first ever build. I am curious why the camera is wired directly to the flight controller and not to the vtx? I had planned on wiring directly to the vtx assuming the power would be cleaner?
The F405 has a cracking voltage regulator for the VTX and camera. Check out the specs.. Happy flying! P. S. it's not that old, some of the series on this channel date back over 6 years ago ;)
@@Painless360 Thanks so much for the reply. I am guessing how it's wired doesn't affect what can be displayed for OSD stuff? Everything is new to me. Your videos have been great!
is there a way to rotate the osd by 90 degrees? i have a wild idea of using two 4:3 camera-vtx-monitor side by side to make a big 6:4 screen. That could give me a bit of a "HD" fpv experience
Not that the know of. Until we stop using old tech for OSDs and start using software to generate them we're stuck with very limited text based solutions (unlessyou are Vector or BrainFPV - see my videos on them)
Can you please do a video using a crossfire nano or micro and he adapter board for simple pwm as there is no information on it!? Radio output details would be great thanks!
All done in this series.. setup of the reciever is identical. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 I think I got it now, going from a quad setup the tx settings on the xfire micro output 1,2 are CRF tx and Rx.....think I just have to change this back to default of ch1, ch2 :)
hi, i'm having the following problem on my Ar Wing 900.when i push on the accelerator the model tends to go up and to keep it on axis i have to compensate by lowering the tip therefore losing in performance.what can i do to solve? i don't think it's enough to work only on inav ..... maybe I have to tilt the motor base? if yes, how many degrees do you recommend? I'm using 2 setups: aira 2508 (1200kv) with prop 8x5 and 2812 (900kv) with prop 9x5. advice that you can kindly give me
I'd try to move where you have the CG a little first. See my video from summer this year on it.
@@Painless360 thanks a lot.
Can you link me your video tutorial about this argument?
You have so many videos on your channel....amazing .thanks for your help
All of my videos are carefully organised into playlists and every video has a number of text tags on them to make them easy to find if you use a search. This video should help and explains a few tips for finding the video or playlist you're looking for - ua-cam.com/video/CIuUNdVfBJQ/v-deo.html or ua-cam.com/video/P4soR6QgOk0/v-deo.html.
So if you use a fc like f405 wing with the crsf micro/nano. You can control a 7 channel jet? Just confused about the 4 outputs and how many channels crsf can support for servos
See my Crossfire series. You can set one of the outputs from the Nano to send SBUS or setup two for CRSF (see my BrainDart build) then you can send up to 16 channels... Happy flying!
Still a beginner with electronics so apologies in advance. Can someone tell me why need both ground wires on the TBS unify wired up and the same goes for the nano rx. Shouldn't just having one ground be enough for either? Thanks!
It should be but you can get interference without a strong reference for signal wires. The inside of these models are usually tight and have some huge currents flowing with large amplitude voltages spiking about. It is easy for these to create problems with poorly grounded systems. You can try it with just one and you may be ok, but if not then solid GND wires all going back to one place ideally will usually fix it.
@@Painless360 makes sense, thanks again!
I have to repair a copter of a friend... it is a 12" copter running still on a mutli wii fc... but I am not familliar with it... so I would like to upgrade it to a f4 or a f7... the idea is to install a gps and some goodies... which FC would you recommend? budget is around 50$...
Is it a multirotor? Check out this video (preview) - ua-cam.com/video/ZwCLdkjqM-Y/v-deo.html - hope it helps.
@@Painless360 it did help, but I do not know which exact one I should use... I would love a f7 around 50$... but I dont know whats important... dual gyro? barometer? idk... could you help me?
@@Painless360 and a nother thing... I have a Crius gps module laying around... should I use this or should I just buy a new one?
Check out my inav series for ideas... best of luck
I am building my first fpv platform. How do you wire a tbs nano to the F405 FC for a flying wing?
The best place for a wiring diagram is the Matek website - www.mateksys.com/?portfolio=f405-wing#tab-id-3 - I also setup something similar in this video - ua-cam.com/video/9ZmGUxCDiU0/v-deo.html - I hope those links help.
@@Painless360 thank you! Love your videos
Sir, can you please tell me where to buy those wires and other materials. I want to build my own plane too.
Your local rc shop, one of the online RC shops (gravesrc, hobbyking, hobbyrc etc) or Ebay
Does Matek 405 support CRSF protocol now?
CRSF supported in Ardupilot now.. ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-rc-systems.html
@@Painless360 Thanks for answer and link. I did manage to connect F405-wse and CRAF only using 4.1.0beta8, on stable 4.0.9 not work for me. Do you know to which version of ArduPilot that link refer to?
How did you end up getting the telemetry back to your taranis?
Planned to be explored in a future video.. stay tuned!
I’m wondering how to wire a crossfire properly to the 405wing board so I get telemetry back to my transmitter. The diagram is showing an sbus setup with smart port. I am using neither. I wired it to Uart 2 and used the rx2 and tx2 pins. It works but no telemetry back to the crossfire
It's something I'm playing with at the moment and there isn't a lot of support about it so it's a little trial and error. If you get it working, please let me know..
What do you think of post #658 in this thread?
www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3068647-Matek-F405-WING-Flight-Controller-iNav-ArduPlane/page44
That's right - control via MAVlink is possible but there are limitations on range as the MAVLink part of Crossfire wasn't kept up as the various radio profiles changed.. See my TBS Crossfire series..
Painless360 thanks for the insight. I will let you know if I find anything useful
What is the benefit of Ardupilot vs iNav?
If you Google ' painless360 flight controller comparison' you'll be my video on that.. best of luck!
Hi Lee, can you please let me know how to do ESC calibration with this board and Ardupilot flashed on it? I found your series and I'm trying to build the same, with the F405 Wing and Ardupilot 3.9.11, which is the latest stable build for this FC. I found instructions that say that you turn radio on, throttle up and then plug in, unplug and then plug in again, but the ESC is not going into calibration mode. Any help is appreciated
I would calibrate from the RX directly.. I tend to adjust the low throttle value in Arduplane so that its just below where the motor will want to twitch..
@@Painless360 , Lee, FYI, I found this video that shows ESC calibration after installation with the F405 Wing.
How rssi and lq going to work???
Best place to look is the documentation ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-tbs-rc.html#common-TBs-rc best of luck
Please, I need some help. I cannot get my esc to initialize. I've tried everything I can think of. New FC, re-flash, different esc, etc etc etc. I will force arm but still wont initialize. I get throttle inputs but no esc initialize. I got it to arm once by using a different channel but it was full throttle only. I suspect it is some parameter I haven't thought of. PLEASE help, I'm losing it!
See my video on troubleshooting arming. What appears in the mission planner screen when you arm?
@@Painless360 You were right. Changed Long failsafe action to RTL and problem solved. Thanks again for everything.
can you send the line for the glue you use ?
If you google 'hobbyking foam cure glue' you'll find it.. best of luck!
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