@@YoungChuy2398that is true I feel like if you asked most of the people back then if lebron would be the goat with these future accomplishments they’d probably say yes😂
@@TheHoopGod_23 You do know that Michael at Lebron's age would likely score 4 points and shoot 5 for 15 or worse...and run like a grandpa. Lebron looks like he's 30 out there. It is quite remarkable, and no, I am not a Lebron fanatic. I am a Michael fanatic, but Lebron's accomplishments are starting to open my eyes, and they are not all about championships. If that was all it was, I'd only watch the last 4 to 7 games every year.
@@TheHoopGod_23 You hate Lebron...I get it. Does it cloud your judgment? Maybe. I hate Mahomes etc....I do the same with his 'successful' career. But the majority outweighs our pov.
These dudes be cappin soo hard. “Jordan came in the league a killer, championship heart” yet Jordan HAD 3 STRAIGHT FIRST ROUND EXITS , Nvr won a playoff series w/o pippen. I mean I remember the story lines after year 6 in the league people were saying Jordan was just another wilt. Bunch of points and no chips. Not to mention he’d missed countless game winners by then. Shit even in his first finals ever in game 1 mj missed the game winner 😭. People talk about mj as if he was this flawless player with no weaknesses. He wasn’t. He struggled throughout his career against the bad boys zone defense and cried to the league so they would do something (the NBA made the flagrant foul in 1990). They started calling illegal defenses alot more. There’s a article after mj choked away game 7 vs the bad boys were he claimed the bad boys were “out to get him”. Not to mention the hole scandal in baseball w the PEDs. Y’all gotta do sum research , even rodman when playing for the bulls said the league was watered down and there was no competition for them.
I don't know if he is better than Michael was. I can't get that incredible run, interrupted by his father's death etc...and then another run from Michael away from my memory. I just never thought anyone would even compare. But Lebron has earned at least the respect of being considered. It's 2025 almost, and Lebron is still relevant. That has got to be one of the most incredible stories in all of sports for the last quarter century really. The fact that Lebron fulfilled all those expectations is quite incredible. Almost every year I hear of a chess prodigy as GM at age 15 or something...only to disappear into oblivion.
Regardless of how Outlandish Skip can behave Jordan still should thank him...Skip has gone HARDCORE into Defending Jordan and his Legacy in the Sports World for Decades now....He is a Jordan Loyalist
Aside from the fact that Jordan won six championships in 8 years, he has a confidence that Lebron will never have. When the game is on the line and you need one shot, Jordan will make it and Lebron will not. That is the difference between the two, Jordan was a finisher and had the heart of a champion.
Kobe is the closest to Jordan as in the way they play but he’s not the second best. He has two finals mvp’s n LeBron has three, Dwayne wade would have 3 peated with a prime shaq, hell Dwayne won with shaq when shaq knee n back was just starting to fizzle our
I know you saw this a long time ago. If nobody is going to surpass Jordan why play the game? Im fine with people saying Jordan is the goat that's fine I don't agree but it's fine however when people say it's impossible or it'll never happen that Jordan gets passed I get really annoyed
Jordan cant shoot outside too lebron shoot a better % than Jordan but in a one on one i hate that they forget lebron plays his heart out too it always the mentality that it
i don’t think they understand that he has the killer mentality, he just gets everyone involved but it’s not like he can’t take over a game and score 40 on crazy efficiency. basketball analysts are stupid.
ITS CRAZY HOW THESE DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD ABOUT KOBE AND MJ YET ALL THESE NERDS HAVE KOBE AT 9 TO 15TH ALL TIME. YOU CAN'T TELL ME THEY'RE NOT BEING PAID
I love how hall of famers say Lebron is better but to skip and stephen a that doesn't mean nuthin Lebron is clearly better but because people fell in love with Jordan in the 90s and won't let go of it
i got skip point.... lebron is not even close for achievements.. by winning....lebron is one of the greates but not belong to the top ....mj made rings by his usual team before.. no superteam ... unlike lebron he abandoned his team cavs and join the super team of heat... so that one is not count for the ring in terms of greatness....
Why is D-Wade not brought up? Like we’re just gonna ignore that his prime resembled Jordan’s the most? LeBron’s not even close in terms of feel for the game. Kobe is there obviously. But Wade was a young Mike in his prime.
MJ is the greatest and ain't even close. I kinda agree with what skip is saying , but he can't debate for sh*t . Lebron would beat MJ one on one , he is 6'8 , but Michael is the grease
@SugarRay2 chumps like u who don’t know basketball expose yourself every time how didn’t he have help but the cavs was the number 2 seed 17 & 18 year cut the kap
@@SugarRay2 u kno u bxxch we all know dat n u prolly never even played basketball I do this shii in real life u jus running yo mouth Stfu n sit tf down lil boy
@@AllBackends mfs who obviously watched & know basketball. Y’all chumps don’t know basketball Lebron even said out his own mf mouth Kobe was better then him . The end
LeBron, better inside finisher, stronger, taller, better rebounder, better outside shooter, better shot blocker especially when it comes to chase down blocks. LeBron would baby MJ the whole game.
Is Lebron better than Bird? NO! Bird has a higher fg% than James(while taking more 3s). Bird is a better passer than james. Bird 3 rings- James 1 ring. bird 3 MVPs- James 3 MVPs
@@brentw0681 5 chips , 3 peat , won 2 chips beating 3 top 75 players without a single 1 on his team , your king didn’t think Kobe was overrated, When kobe was in the league lebron always said kobe was the best player in the league , Kobe waited 3 str8 years in the finals when lebron was picked to win & didn’t make it the same Dwight Howard team that beat lebron, Kobe beat em in the finals shut yo mouth chump u don’t know basketball
It's cuz u guys most likely grew up in the social media era.. but the MJ vs Kobe who's better argument was an actual thing.. just like how they do with Bron now..
LOOK AT ALL THE FOLKS WHO WANNA PUT LEBRON ON TOP OF JORDAN..... WAITING IN LINE TO GET THEN NEW JORDANS😂😂😂😂.... I'LL BE BACK WHEN THE LEBRON SHOE RELEASE LINE AROUND THE BLOCK.... DONT WORRY... I'LL WAIT
![[2015] Stephen A. and Skip argue whether Michael Jordan could still beat LeBron 1-on-1 | First Take](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_Mjykt1qHBk/mqdefault.jpg)
7 years lter and the same conversation😂
9 yrs late, same the thing 🤣
And once again in 2023. They had a debate on Jordan day (02/03/23)
Crazy how we got a Bron vs MJ debate in 2012, Bron was just in his prime and was a 2x MVP, 2012 Champ/Finals MVP and 8x all star
@@ibee236210 years later. Not quite as common anymore but still going.
@@YoungChuy2398that is true I feel like if you asked most of the people back then if lebron would be the goat with these future accomplishments they’d probably say yes😂
Not a huge Stephen A fan but love how he quickly told skip to stop pointing at the lady. Disrespectful . LOVED IT.
Unless it was Molly, Stephen A would've jumped in and joined lmao
Yeah but she was getting a bit too aggressive and excited like she ain’t the moderator. He was clearly talking and she kept interrupting.
I was expecting Cari not Jemele Hill for 2012! 😀
12 years later, Skip retires from FS1 & Lebron still a 25,5 & 5 player at age 40 🔥
Still a mediocre shooter past 3ft from the rim, a free throw liability plays no defense 🚮
@@TheHoopGod_23 You do know that Michael at Lebron's age would likely score 4 points and shoot 5 for 15 or worse...and run like a grandpa. Lebron looks like he's 30 out there. It is quite remarkable, and no, I am not a Lebron fanatic. I am a Michael fanatic, but Lebron's accomplishments are starting to open my eyes, and they are not all about championships. If that was all it was, I'd only watch the last 4 to 7 games every year.
He is not retired he has a show ok youtube
And now LeBron has 4 championships!
@@TheHoopGod_23 You hate Lebron...I get it. Does it cloud your judgment? Maybe. I hate Mahomes etc....I do the same with his 'successful' career. But the majority outweighs our pov.
“How bout 2” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When you realise Stephen A. changed his complete mind on this entire argument... Just smile 😊 MJ the 🐐
No
@@tc2501 Yes Mj 🐐
@@tc2501 Yes MJ.
Nah bron is
@@chipshead3079 Nope it's MJ.
10 years later they're still talking about this....
These dudes be cappin soo hard. “Jordan came in the league a killer, championship heart” yet Jordan HAD 3 STRAIGHT FIRST ROUND EXITS , Nvr won a playoff series w/o pippen. I mean I remember the story lines after year 6 in the league people were saying Jordan was just another wilt. Bunch of points and no chips. Not to mention he’d missed countless game winners by then. Shit even in his first finals ever in game 1 mj missed the game winner 😭. People talk about mj as if he was this flawless player with no weaknesses. He wasn’t. He struggled throughout his career against the bad boys zone defense and cried to the league so they would do something (the NBA made the flagrant foul in 1990). They started calling illegal defenses alot more. There’s a article after mj choked away game 7 vs the bad boys were he claimed the bad boys were “out to get him”. Not to mention the hole scandal in baseball w the PEDs. Y’all gotta do sum research , even rodman when playing for the bulls said the league was watered down and there was no competition for them.
Insane Volts facts
And those 3 first round exits came in his first 3 years in the league u fucking idiot.
jeaylo In Lebrons first 3 years he made it to the finals 🤷♂️
@@avgape7490 3-6
jeaylo MJs from 91-98 , Lebrons from 2012-2018.
Playoffs :
LBJ : 29.5 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 7.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg 51% fg 34% 3pg.
MJ : 32.5 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.3 apg, 1.9 spg 0.8 bpg 48% fg 34% 3pg.
Advanced Stats:
LBJ: 29.6 PER , 59% TS%, .258 WS/48 , 18.9 VORP
MJ: 28.1 PER , 56% TS%, .258 WS/48 , 16.6 VORP
Looks like MJ either faced weaker competition or had more help 🤔
Man I miss first take with skip and steven a
Yeah it was much better
Young Jemele Hill and me would've been going to work on each other like 4 times a day back then 😁
Skips right. I would be afraid of lightening striking if someone compared him to MJ. And by him, of course, I mean Kobe.
I don't know if he is better than Michael was. I can't get that incredible run, interrupted by his father's death etc...and then another run from Michael away from my memory. I just never thought anyone would even compare. But Lebron has earned at least the respect of being considered. It's 2025 almost, and Lebron is still relevant. That has got to be one of the most incredible stories in all of sports for the last quarter century really. The fact that Lebron fulfilled all those expectations is quite incredible. Almost every year I hear of a chess prodigy as GM at age 15 or something...only to disappear into oblivion.
Regardless of how Outlandish Skip can behave Jordan still should thank him...Skip has gone HARDCORE into Defending Jordan and his Legacy in the Sports World for Decades now....He is a Jordan Loyalist
As big of a mj fan he says it is it always surprising he only repeats the same 3 arguments there so many other points he can make bit he never does
Wow, crazy that coach boeheim said this 8 years ago....
It shows you that the whole argument has no merit to it
Aside from the fact that Jordan won six championships in 8 years, he has a confidence that Lebron will never have. When the game is on the line and you need one shot, Jordan will make it and Lebron will not. That is the difference between the two, Jordan was a finisher and had the heart of a champion.
Still feel this way?
Lebron is more clutch.....
@@kgbaby1466fuck no
Media want let nobody be better than mj never
Kobe is the closest to Jordan period
Your high LeBron way better than Kobe
Kobe was the most skilled player ever
Kobe is the closest to Jordan as in the way they play but he’s not the second best. He has two finals mvp’s n LeBron has three, Dwayne wade would have 3 peated with a prime shaq, hell Dwayne won with shaq when shaq knee n back was just starting to fizzle our
shi tlarry bird in his prime would destroy with those three pointers and outside shots
@@danielleavy5192 he’s saying Kobe plays tile is the closest to Michael Jordan
Bron can’t surpass MJ’s legacy, but he is the better overall basketball player IMO, not by a lot, but he is.
Skip got the best ad libs
As a Lebron fan I’ll always take bron over mj but I’ll admit mj the goat
I know you saw this a long time ago. If nobody is going to surpass Jordan why play the game? Im fine with people saying Jordan is the goat that's fine I don't agree but it's fine however when people say it's impossible or it'll never happen that Jordan gets passed I get really annoyed
lebron is the goat
as an mj ran i respect that
LeBum James the false king dissapearing vs mavs dissapearing vs spurs dissapearing 60% of the finals he played that man aint no goat
@@maikatiemuj2706 “lebum.” super corny
Jordan cant shoot outside too lebron shoot a better % than Jordan but in a one on one i hate that they forget lebron plays his heart out too it always the mentality that it
i don’t think they understand that he has the killer mentality, he just gets everyone involved but it’s not like he can’t take over a game and score 40 on crazy efficiency. basketball analysts are stupid.
"how bout 2?"
ITS CRAZY HOW THESE DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD ABOUT KOBE AND MJ YET ALL THESE NERDS HAVE KOBE AT 9 TO 15TH ALL TIME. YOU CAN'T TELL ME THEY'RE NOT BEING PAID
Such a great segment. Two sports entertainment GOAT's
Kobe over LeBron?!?! Im done lol
u should be. idiot lmfao
Lmao everyone pick Kobe over bron that know sports. Gtfoh lebron overrated
Jordan > Lebron > Kobe
Jordan > Kobe………………………..>LeBron
if they both disagree with Jim Boeheim, wtf they arguing for
U don’t seem to pay too much attention.
I love how hall of famers say Lebron is better but to skip and stephen a that doesn't mean nuthin Lebron is clearly better but because people fell in love with Jordan in the 90s and won't let go of it
@KDufre 35 statically scottie pippen said pippen said lebrons better not rings stats
Lbj allday
Skip asked Stephen A kobe or lebron Stephen A said kobe with no hesitation remember that
To that point in time yes Kobe was better but lebron has surpassed him since then
i got skip point.... lebron is not even close for achievements.. by winning....lebron is one of the greates but not belong to the top ....mj made rings by his usual team before.. no superteam ... unlike lebron he abandoned his team cavs and join the super team of heat... so that one is not count for the ring in terms of greatness....
Jordan skill is unmatched.
Why is D-Wade not brought up? Like we’re just gonna ignore that his prime resembled Jordan’s the most? LeBron’s not even close in terms of feel for the game. Kobe is there obviously. But Wade was a young Mike in his prime.
He doesn't have the playoff success like the other dudes and he's injury prone
Preach wade is underrated
Who's older, Skip Bayless or Betty White?
Lmaooooooo
SAS exposed Skip in this episode
MJJ IS THE GOAT ...NOBODY WILL SURPASS HIS LEGACY!
On 2k i suppressed mj in rings and mvps so IM the GOAT 😂🤣🤣
It’s the shoes
@@nickfelton3946 Fr
how old is someone before they're in there prime then?
Skip would think a ham sandwich is better than LeBron if he could. You can see his blood literally boil every time there's a LeBron/MJ debate
Nearly 8 years later..
Lebron 3 titles
MJ 6 titles
al farouq aminu for 3 Titles aren’t everything as it’s a team game
@@avgape7490 as the best player he led his team to more wins.
Make it 4 now lol n counting
Wait didnt Jordan lose 9 TIMES IN THE FIRST ROUND BITCG
@@demarr5811 No? Are you stupid? Mike has never lost in the finals. LeBron has lost 6 times, 4/6.
The only truth I heard is prime Kobe is better than prime lebron
Naw
For once Skip is right on the money. Lebron would get SCHOOLED by Jordan.
there is no question here, Jordan >Kobe> LeBron
Dj Tzonev #True
@@jaketyler9569 not anymore lol LeBron is way better than kobe
Nah it’s Lebron> mj> Kobe
ok 8 yrs ago yes, but now, naw
MJ is the greatest and ain't even close. I kinda agree with what skip is saying , but he can't debate for sh*t . Lebron would beat MJ one on one , he is 6'8 , but Michael is the grease
Didn't see MJ do so well after the Bulls. He always had great players! F MJ! Who did LeBron have in '17 and '18?
U Know He Was Old at that point😂
@SugarRay2 chumps like u who don’t know basketball expose yourself every time how didn’t he have help but the cavs was the number 2 seed 17 & 18 year cut the kap
@@2rawww4tvkd 😂😂😂 I may not know basketball, but I know a little more than you!!!😂😂😂
@@SugarRay2 u kno u bxxch we all know dat n u prolly never even played basketball I do this shii in real life u jus running yo mouth Stfu n sit tf down lil boy
I want somebody to love me like Skip loves Tom Brady for real 😂😂😂
whew! kobe is still here..lebron is coming but aint mj yet, no one will be though,lol
If kobe and bron can go 1 on 1 then certainly mj can
It’s the shoes man
i will take kobe over lebron
Skip sounded so ridiculous
Jordan is the greatest of all time, STILL, and Jemele is a cutie pie.
Skip is a master troll, professional antagonist, and an unwavering hypocrite.
Lebron in his prime?..dude is 27 yrs old he's young
Michael Jordan is a better because he knows how to play the game without traveling half the time.
6>5>4
11 is greater
@@dparks2856 and after 11 is 12. Good job 👍
hes not Jay-z an Kanye West
Skip always Ignore the facts
* greatest not grease , sorry
Michael Phelps had that in him. Too bad you can’t recognize greatness
"That" meaning steroids? 😅
@nossenkanter5525 No. The champions mentality to devote your life to success solely
rip kobe
Magic, Jordan, Lebron, Duncan, Shaq in that order
Now they’re saying Kobe over lebron
Who the hell is saying that?🤣
@@AllBackends mfs who obviously watched & know basketball. Y’all chumps don’t know basketball Lebron even said out his own mf mouth Kobe was better then him . The end
Back when they gave honest takes. It's a lebron glaze fest now smh
Lebron never won without a superteam and Still Bron has 6 Finals losses.
Yes, LeBron is better. IMO
idiot
Lebron 🐐
👑 is better
LeBron, better inside finisher, stronger, taller, better rebounder, better outside shooter, better shot blocker especially when it comes to chase down blocks. LeBron would baby MJ the whole game.
braindead idiot
Kap
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEBRON GOT SWEPT 6-0 bro.
Michael got swept twice by Larry Bird and got swept by Sidney Moncreif LOLOLOL
+KDufre 35 He had 23ppg Orlando Woolridge, 17ppg George Gervin who’s one of the greatest SG ever. And had a defensive specialist in Charles Oakley.
+KDufre 35 Oh so now you’re blaming it on him being a rookie? lmao keep bringing up excuses
Fuck was he suppose to do nigga dropping 51 points dumb fuck
No.
King James time to rule .. watch the throne
Great prediction
Everyone glazes the person from their generation
Is Lebron better than Bird? NO! Bird has a higher fg% than James(while taking more 3s). Bird is a better passer than james. Bird 3 rings- James 1 ring. bird 3 MVPs- James 3 MVPs
Willy Wonka e what about now
Willy Wonka anddd what about now ??? L
Willy Wonka Any updates to your opinions on who is better between the two??
Bird never had to play all 5 positions either while playing point......soooooooo come again?
@KDufre 35 because bird was never better lol
This the first time I actually hear some Kobe Bryant respect
Overrated
@@brentw0681 5 chips , 3 peat , won 2 chips beating 3 top 75 players without a single 1 on his team , your king didn’t think Kobe was overrated, When kobe was in the league lebron always said kobe was the best player in the league , Kobe waited 3 str8 years in the finals when lebron was picked to win & didn’t make it the same Dwight Howard team that beat lebron, Kobe beat em in the finals shut yo mouth chump u don’t know basketball
It's cuz u guys most likely grew up in the social media era.. but the MJ vs Kobe who's better argument was an actual thing.. just like how they do with Bron now..
28 is probably the oldest age a player could enter there prime, otherwise player's primes would be 2 years max
LMAOO yo this comment funny now 8 years later cause lebron still in his prime
this comment ain’t age well at all💀 2021 and bron still in his prime
@@sil_spatafora3886 comment aged like milk lmao
@@sil_spatafora3886 Bron is definitely not in his prime dumb Bron famboy. He's injury prone and doesn't play defense.
MJ>Magic>Bird>Kobe>LBJ
John Doe
Jordan
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Lbj
Even 8 years ago this is cap
Lebron James legacy trash
Prince James ain't winning more than 2 championships
looks like you were wrong huh
U were sooo wrong😂😂😂
Dude you have ate 2 huge L's since then. How do they taste?
...oof...
🤣🤣🤣
LeBron is the goat
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
TBH I really dont know lol I guess before the person gets old
Kareem > Jordan
lebron is only the goat if you're born in the 00s . You just dont know any better
That’s obviously not true 😂
@@sbrnation7090 for the most part it is.
AHAHAH KOBE? AHAHAHHA is this a joke? AHAHHAHA
LOOK AT ALL THE FOLKS WHO WANNA PUT LEBRON ON TOP OF JORDAN..... WAITING IN LINE TO GET THEN NEW JORDANS😂😂😂😂.... I'LL BE BACK WHEN THE LEBRON SHOE RELEASE LINE AROUND THE BLOCK.... DONT WORRY... I'LL WAIT